Biden Administration Sues TN Ban on Gender-Affirming Care
The Department of Justice (DOJ) has sued to block Tennessee’s ban on gender-affirming care for trans youth, marking the second time the Biden administration has initiated a lawsuit against anti-trans legislation.
The DOJ filed the complaint in the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Tennessee on Wednesday, alleging that Tennessee’s SB 1 is unconstitutional because it violates the Equal Protection Clause. The suit argues that SB 1 unlawfully discriminates against trans minors by imposing restrictions on care that would not apply to cis minors. The DOJ gave the example of SB 1 banning a doctor from prescribing testosterone to a trans boy, but allowing that same doctor to prescribe testosterone to a cis boy with a condition such as hypogonadism.
SB 1 was signed into law in March, alongside the nation’s first ban on public drag performances, and is set to go into effect on July 1. The bill bans medical providers from administering gender-affirming care to minors (unless the patients are intersex), and would strip away their license to practice if found guilty. The state’s attorney general would also be able to pursue legal action against providers and collect a civil penalty of $25,000 per “violation.” The bill would also allow parents and aggrieved patients who received gender-affirming care as minors to sue providers up to 30 years from the date the patient turns 18.
The Biden administration’s complaint requests both a declaratory judgment stating that SB 1 is unconstitutional, and a permanent injunction that would prevent Tennessee from enforcing the law. The DOJ also filed a separate motion for a preliminary injunction, which would temporarily block Tennessee from enforcing the law while litigation is ongoing.
“No person should be denied access to necessary medical care just because of their transgender status,” Kristen Clarke, Assistant Attorney General of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division said in a press release.
“The right to consider your health and medically-approved treatment options with your family and doctors is a right that everyone should have, including transgender children, who are especially vulnerable to serious risks of depression, anxiety and suicide,” Clarke continued. “The Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department will continue to aggressively challenge all forms of discrimination and unlawful barriers faced by the LGBTQI+ community.”
The move follows a 2022 DOJ lawsuit against Alabama’s ban on trans care for minors, filed almost exactly a year ago. The DOJ has also previously filed statements of interest in various lawsuits against anti-trans legislation.
It’s a relief to have a Department of Justice that actually believes in justice.
Fine print: If only we had a Supreme Court that felt the same way. Still, let’s celebrate the fact that we at least have the DOJ on the side of right.
West of the Cascades
Bah – the case is assigned to a Trump judge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_J._Richardson). His only “Notable Decision” at the link is … not encouraging for the plaintiffs or USDOJ here (The United States, represented by USDOJ, is intervening on behalf of the plaintiffs in a previously-filed case).
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Thanks for highlighting this, WG : )
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@West of the Cascades:
No, but:
West of the Cascades
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Thanks for that more hopeful note! And glad it’s not the 5th Circuit.
Baud
👍
Omnes Omnibus
@West of the Cascades: That previous case doesn’t really tell us anything.
lowtechcyclist
This is good to see. I confess the DOJ’s challenge to the Alabama law slipped past me completely.
Curious as to how that case was progressing, the only thing I found was this:
A judge blocks part of an Alabama law that criminalizes gender-affirming medication : NPR
That’s the most recent thing I could find, and that was from last May. You’d think there would have been some movement in the case since, but I can’t find anything.
CaseyL
I tried looking up the status on that Alabama case. Seems the latest is there were oral arguments at the Appeals Court back in November.
I am mindful of Teri Kanefield’s frequent reminders that the pace of justice, particularly at the higher courts, is glacial. At best.
ETA: lowtechcyclist – Jinx!
eversor
The DOJ is staffed with everyday federal employees who view themselves as carrying out a job and a mission. SCOTUS is staffed by people who are appointed demi-gods over the riff raff.
WaterGirl
I guess the CNN that was so horrified by Trump in late 2020 – because they realized he was trying to whip up an insurrection – no longer finds the whole insurrection thing to be troubling.
I’m not always a fan of Politics Girl, but she’s got this right.
smith
@eversor: Though in the case of the current court they seem to fancy themselves as anointed demi-gods over the riff-raff.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Omnes Omnibus:
Thanks for the correction. My assumption was that the same Sixth Circuit might reverse this same judge’s ruling
Betty Cracker
Ron Klain, Do-Something Democrat?
JPL
@WaterGirl: Kaitlin Collins got her start The Daily Caller
I’m sure she’ll screen the questions
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
Not unless he calls Garland feckless.
CaseyL
@Betty Cracker: At this point, I think it’s more that everyone wants someone else to be the person to Make Trump Stop.
The Biden Admin would love the DOJ to be the one.
The DOJ would love AG Willis to be the one.
Georgia (not Willis herself, but the GOP running Georgia) would love NYC to be the one.
(CNN, though, is just a ghoulish business enterprise that would broadcast literal human sacrifice if it got ratings. )
Frankensteinbeck
The last time trans rights came before the court, Gorsuch voted for trans rights on the reasoning that if you have to ask “what sex is the person?” first it counts as sexual discrimination. Pretty much the exact argument the DoJ is making here. So this isn’t hopeless.
EDIT – @CaseyL:
I do not understand what you’re saying. Biden doesn’t want to run against Trump? Biden is supposed to do some non-DoJ thing to stop Trump?
Jacqueline Squid Onassis
It’s nice to see someone in power fight for your status as human and in existence.
Suzanne
@Baud: I think of Garland as exceedingly feckful.
I don’t know what feck is. Can I buy some? Maybe it would be great in a gift basket.
smith
In another case regarding the withholding of necessary care, the feds have warned two hospitals that refused to provide an emergency abortion to a woman in dire need that they broke a federal law when they did so:
It’s encouraging, but it would be nice to see some actual, you know, enforcement, instead of just a stern warning.
UncleEbeneezer
@CaseyL: Jack Smith planned/arranged (in advance) to have Pence testify THE VERY NEXT DAY once the privilege issue was resolved. Andrew McCabe explained in the most recent Jack episode that that is almost unheard of and that Smith has been moving at unusually fast speed compared to the norm. That is not the sign of someone who is hesitant or trying to drag shit out so that someone else can prosecute Trump.
eversor
@smith:
Oh agree and Alito has basically endorsed that in private speeches that leaked. Barr also endorsed this theory. To repate my favorite line, it’s all Christianity all of the problems we are facing. So address that or all the fights are lost.
Dan B
As a gay man it’s very encouraging to see the DOJ going after TN. The anti trans laws are of one with anti anything they view as perverted and that’s me. I get the same feeling from almost all gay men who have not always been supportive of trans rights. It seems to have awakened some awareness.
Eolirin
@smith: This is setting up an impossible situation for the hospitals, which will be facing criminal liability regardless of what choice they make in situations like these, until the Supreme Court weighs in, and we may not like the outcome of that.
In the short term it makes running a hospital nearly impossible in red states, as just having an ER will force them to break one set of laws eventually.
The states will go after them. If the DoJ is going to do so as well, instead of just threaten to, it’s going to get very messy very quickly
Going after women’s reproductive health care is going to have severe consequences for all health care.
Dan B
@UncleEbeneezer: Great news! There are many more things that can slow justice so Jack Smith at supersonic speed is fantastic.
Dan B
@Eolirin: We’re seeing hospitals heading for trouble in next door Idaho. They’re already losing OBGYN’s like crazy.
Baud
Y’all gonna be disappointed when Jack Smith completes his investigation and declares Donald Trump the legitimate president.
Baud
@Eolirin:
Agreed.
Frankensteinbeck
@Baud:
That would be disgusting. There is no disagreement among even vaguely reputable investigators: YOU are the legitimate president.
smith
@Eolirin: I sympathize with the plight of the hospitals and doctors, but sympathize more with the plight of women whose very lives are at stake. Unfortunately, we may have to have this kind of confrontation to make normies, especially those in red states, fully aware of how monstrous these draconian abortion laws are. Too many of them have been able to just shrug off what these restrictions mean in terms of women’s health.
And yes, they will lose emergency services along with the ob/gyn services they’re already losing, and doctors will flee to safer jurisdictions, but I don’t see any other way to wake them up as to what they are actually voting for.
CaseyL
@UncleEbeneezer:
I have never doubted Garland or DOJ will go after him once all their ducks are in a row.
And I don’t doubt they’re getting all their ducks in a row as quickly as they can.
Some things I do think they could have moved forward on already, though – the classified documents case being the big one. But I’m secretly hoping they’re busy tying everything together to bring an absolutely staggeringly detailed, stone cold serious case of espionage that will not only put TFG in jail, but quite a few of his high-ranking enablers.
In the meantime, it’s rather funny to think of all these jurisdictions playing Alphonse and Gaston with one another.
bbleh
@Eolirin: @Dan B: ERs can’t refuse patients in need, but I fear what they will do in such cases is stabilize them and send them home — or at least back to their cars. There have already been several stories to that effect. The result will be people dying at home, or in their cars in the hospital parking lot. And if red-state legislators and their supporters have their way, it will soon become as unworthy of mention as “minor” gun massacres. Just another unfortunate circumstance, tree of liberty must be watered, etc. (Also probably their own fault, for vague moral reasons.)
And it ain’t just Idaho losing OBGYNs. It’s gonna become a general exodus, and more importantly, younger doctors aren’t gonna locate in those places to begin with, which bodes ill for the longer term.
WaterGirl
@JPL: That doesn’t seem particularly… encouraging.
zhena gogolia
OT, I guess, but McCarthy briefly grew a spine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i14T6w4iQXY
Gretchen
@smith: I’m wondering why the KU med center in Kansas City, KS refused the abortion, since KS has a constitutional right to abortion. It might be the state law that forbade abortion on state property, but there are other non-state hospitals near the state line. It’s a shame to have to hospital-shop in those circumstances.
WaterGirl
@Baud: @Betty Cracker:
On one of the podcasts I listen to they referenced Biden being unhappy that Garland waited too long to get seriously started on the insurrection.
That’s surely not something that Biden is going to say directly, or publicly, but the former chief of staff can say what he likes and still the Oval Office is being hands-off with the DOJ.
I find myself thinking of Ukraine when Zelenskyy and Biden have not been singing the same tune. I wonder how much of it is performative .
I also wonder, for example, if Obama gave Biden the nod – oops, it was a gaffe! – to accidentally come out publicly in favor of gay marriage.
edit: Maybe it’s good for Biden, or Garland, politically, to show some daylight between the White House and the DOJ?
Dan B
@bbleh: I’m concerned that there will be fewer people becoming OBGYN’s. That plus the exodus from red states M.D.’s could be horrifying.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
Seems like an odd time to do it now, when things are moving quickly. No one can go back in time…except Obama.
Baud
@Dan B:
Horrifying, but solvable with one election.
Dan B
@Baud: One would hope but I have little hope for Idaho and most of the deep south, maybe Georgia will flip.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@zhena gogolia
Maybe he said that because he was in Isreal and figured it wouldn’t make much waves back at home?
zhena gogolia
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): It’s all over the place, isn’t it?
Baud
@Dan B:
The deep South is all about race. The western states used to be but libertarian and on the forefront of women’s rights.
Suzanne
@Eolirin:
I have long noted that urban areas already have all of the healthcare in this country. It will be an interesting dynamic to see it become a blue-state thing.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@UncleEbeneezer: one of my barometers for how complicated the broad 1/6 cases are is the saga of Scott Perry’s phone. It was seized last September and DoJ still hasn’t been able to develop whatever the courts (Judge Beryl Howell, IIRC) allowed them to see because of Perry’s court challenges, the most recent one having been cosigned by House Leadership, including Jeffries and Aguila
ETA: If that case has been resolved, I’ve missed it, and I think it would be pretty big news, at least to us junkies
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@bbleh:
@Eolirin:
I know these doctors and hospitals don’t want to face criminal charges, but they swear to the Hippocratic Oath (or some version of it) to do no harm to their patients.
I think you’re entirely right that this is going to lead to a brain drain in these red states. What ethical medical professional could live with themselves if they knowingly provided substandard medical care because they were forced to by BS laws?
Dan B
On a related note the trans legislator in Montana, Zooey Zephyr, was forced to work at a lunch counter because four women parked their derrieres on the bench in the hall outside the Legislature. They also deactivated her key card so she can’t use the restrooms.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Dan B:
Horrible viciousness
WaterGirl
@UncleEbeneezer: I read that they had a series of dates for testifying set on the calendar, with the earliest date being the morning after the ruling came down.
I credit that with good planning and a good sense for how things might go. But they did have a series of dates, which means some alternate dates if the ruling hadn’t come down when it did.
Smart planning, though perhaps not the magic tea reading they suggested on Jack, not to wait for a dance about dates until AFTER the ruling came down. Very smart contingency planning.
WaterGirl
@Eolirin:
It seems pretty simple to me. They do the right fucking thing and provide health care, following the oath doctors signed up for.
I think we have missed a moment here when the AMA or even every non-catholic hospital had stood up and said that they laws were untenable and that they were going to cause an uncountable amount of tragedy.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
To channel a similar comment from one HRC, women’s Healthcare is Healthcare.
WaterGirl
@bbleh: They don’t even let you leave CVS for 15-30 minutes after a Covid vaccine. No you can’t wait in your car. No, you can’t shop in the store.
Why? Because if you have a problem, you need to be right here where we can see you because if you’re in the car or elsewhere in the store it can be too late.
But, sure, when you’re bleeding out having a miscarriage and probably the worst day of your life, definitely go sit in the car.
I think I will never stop being angry about this.
WaterGirl
@zhena gogolia:
That’s like the people who say “today T**** became president.” (spoiler: no, he didn’t)
I would bt good money that McCarthy did not grow a spine. He has either seen a poll or see which way the wind is blowing.
Or maybe he’s willing to take a stand for a day because he thinks it will help with the debt ceiling issue.
One way or another, he has no spine. No morals. No ethics. No shame.
edit: not picking on you. I just firmly believe he has no spine, not even a remnant.
narya
@Dan B: I would have loved for her to set up in a folding chair right next to those derrieres. Or facing them. Not allowing her to use the bathroom? WTAF is wrong with these people? Yes, I know, the cruelty is the point, etc., but this simultaneously life-threatening and grade-school-bully behavior is not a good look.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Campaign season is heating up now that Biden has announced. I think that we’ll see a lot of things that make us say hmmm.
Just my opinion.
UncleEbeneezer
@WaterGirl: Sure, of course they had contingency plans in place. But the point is: a lackadaisical DOJ wouldn’t have even had “come in the very next day” on the table. Not only was it one of the options on the table, it’s the one they obviously pressed for and fortunately were able to make happen.
WaterGirl
@Dan B: That can’t possibly be legal.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@WaterGirl: Here in MA that would be illegal for any establishment serving food where you can sit down. They got a cafeteria?
Baud
@WaterGirl:
Biden skinny dipping in the Potomac in December?
Baud
What’s up with this? Dark Brandon action?
UncleEbeneezer
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: The issues in play with Perry’s phone are huge though and go way beyond just 1/6. A precedent where DOJ can easily access Congress-members phones would be a very dangerous thing. Imagine what the next Bill Barr AG could do to Dems with that?!! I think the courts will likely allow DOJ access but put some pretty strict limits on only things that are relevant to 1/6.
billcinsd
@Eolirin: Wasn’t part of what the Civil War was fought about was to show that Federal Law takes precedence over state law?
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: Why would this year be any different?
WaterGirl
@Baud: There’s just no telling! :-)
WaterGirl
@Baud: I dare say that something is afoot! That we know nothing about.
Mousebumples
@WaterGirl: Did Putin walk too closely to a window? So dangerous to have any windows in Russia…
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
I’m not divulging where I buried that foot. Too much riding on it staying hidden.
Cameron
@Suzanne: You think it might be great if you could give a feck?
Baud
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
Hopefully the foot is not a monkey’s paw.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Baud: No, don’t worry, it’s human. But I would be equally serious about hiding a monkey’s paw.
jonas
@Baud:
Well, it was actually a resolution supporting “increased cooperation” between the UN and the Council of Europe to help address various issues….including Russian aggression against member states Ukraine and Georgia. It wasn’t specifically a denunciation of the invasion (which the GA voted overwhelmingly on last year, but which of course will never make to the SC). But, yes, China did not apparently object to the proposal’s language which denounces Russia’s actions against CoE members. So, baby steps?
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Baud:
Well, we had pretty mild winter, so could be : )
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@UncleEbeneezer: sure, but “Why haven’t any of the Congressional conspirators been indicted!” is one of the frequent complaints from the Garland bashers
as with the case in the OP, the DoJ was Doing the Something Ron Klain was complaining about them not doing before he complained about it. These things take time. IANAL but I imagine challenging state laws in federal court– especially given the judges we were blessed with from 2001-’09 and 17-21– is a pretty tough case, one that requires some pretty careful preparation.
narya
@UncleEbeneezer: Yeah, this is particularly thorny–and I think it does make sense to sort this out before DOJ sees any phone contents. I don’t know if I’m remembering this or wishing for it, but I want to say that there’s talk of a taint team to sort it out. I want to say that’s from a podcast, but I could not tell you which one.
Gvg
@WaterGirl: I think the AMA has said so. Nobody seems to care. The media interview politicians and “man on the street” not doctors who know what they are talking about.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@narya: IIRC Beryl Howell appointed a special master to review the contents of Perry’s phone, and his current suit is to block even that material from being used by the DoJ
also, Allison Gill posted this thread in response to Nicolle Wallace’s endless carping about Garland
there are three or four more posts, and just in this one I see one really (if bewilderingly) rich guy, three lawyers (I think Epshtyn is a lawyer), one former DoJ official and one MoC, every one able to throw up different roadblocks and challenges. Also Mike Roman whom I’ve never heard of and google tells me is one of trump’s opposition researchers
smith
I’m sure that every step of the way, from state legislatures to the Supreme Court, opponents have outlined to them, in gory technicolor detail, what horrors await women who are denied abortions they need, and how common dangerous pregnancy complications are.
They. Do. Not. Care.
Eolirin
@WaterGirl: And then the red states pull their licenses. I don’t disagree with you, but there’s no winning here. Either way the doctors aren’t going to be able to provide care for very long under these conditions.
UncleEbeneezer
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ok, gotcha. Agreed.
UncleEbeneezer
@narya: Correct! I think they talked about the taint team on a Jack podcast and said that is likely how it would have to proceed. That it can be done. But it definitely needs to be done with caution.
WaterGirl
@Gvg: AMA needs to be shouting it from the rooftops and taking out full page ads in evety state and national paper.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
It’s good to remind people that Garland/DOJ is doing things behind the scenes
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@WaterGirl:
I agree with you. The AMA should be shouting this from the rooftops like you say
smith
@Eolirin: It’s not dissimilar to the effects of red states turning down Medicaid expansion and then seeing their rural hospitals close because they’ve gone broke. They are voting for a third world quality of life, and it looks like they will get it.
Also, in addition to losing their doctors, these states will probably see an acceleration of educated young people moving elsewhere. Miscarriages and dangerous pregnancies are more common than many people think. Even young women who escape the worst consequences of these laws will inevitably come to know more and more of their age cohort who have experienced them. Many of those who can get out will.
Kay
@smith:
This is one where I think the federal law or rule is better used as a shield rather than a sword. The objective is not to punish doctors or hospitals- that’s what the Right wants to do- the objective is to get women care and keep them alive. The federal government doesn’t want to go after doctors and hospitals- they want to reiterate the federal rule or law so the provider can use it as a shield when the provider does the right thing and a far Right county or state prosecutor comes after them. The message should be “we’ll protect you with federal rules and laws” (and I think it is) – that’s a win/win.
bbleh
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): @WaterGirl: @Eolirin: the Oath and their moral instinct are — unsurprisingly — aligned: you provide helpful care to someone in need. But unfortunately, there’s degrees of care, and not providing all helpful care does not constitute “doing harm.”
It’s a terrible situation for someone who is devoting their life to providing care — not to mention the patients! — and there’s no excuse for the politicians who are creating it. But that’s today’s Republican Party.
@WaterGirl: yup, and it’s cuz the incentives are precisely the opposite, thanks to the politicians. In the CVS case, they’re liable for any complication that might have been prevented. In the case of a critically problematic pregnancy, they’re liable for providing care that would prevent or solve the problem. And yes I concur.
Kay
@smith:
Providers want to give best practices care to patients, Biden Adminisitration wants them to too. The conflict the providers have with their oath and vocation and is with far Right state government, not the federal government. We’re Team Provider. We’ll have their back.
bbleh
@WaterGirl: @smith: @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): it’s worse than not caring: it is an affirmative choice. They are okay with women with problem pregnancies dying, because they have aligned themselves with superstitious fetishists, and they justify it in the name of the (utterly false) dichotomy between a woman and a “baby,” where the woman is an actual person in extreme and potentially fatal medical need but who probably deserves it because of her evident moral failings (why else would God let it happen?), and the “baby” is an idealized, fully-formed Gerber-baby, innocent and pure.
It’s a depraved cartoon. And many of their constituents believe fervently in it, because they’re simply incapable of understanding complex situations.
Anyway
@WaterGirl:
With you on this, WG. AMA hasn’t done all it could to safeguard the health of women and their babies.
The Moar You Know
@WaterGirl: it’s easy to forget, and I still do all the time, but that version of CNN got sold to some assholes who want their clicks, their money, and their orange fat bloated corpse of a “president” back.
cain
@Dan B: I find it hilarious that they go after these trans folks and they barely did squat when it came to all those pedophile catholic priests. Everything had to be handled through civic courts.
Meanwhile, Governors are just signing stuff into law – spurred into action for this but silence when it comes to religion. We should also react by doing something similar and start putting laws putting churches in the cross hairs at the same time – force them to argue both sides out of their mouths.
cain
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): It will also lead to a highly exploited populace given that public education seems to be replaced with home schooling (which I’m not sure how that is going to work out since those people are going to still have to work two jobs)
JPL
@The Moar You Know: trump could shoot Don Lemon or Wolf on fifth avenue and CNN would be there to film it.
gwangung
For something more uplifting…
Science FIction Writers of America has created the Infinity Award, a posthumous award for those writers who died before they could be considered for the Grand Master status.
First awardee is Octavia Butler.
The Moar You Know
@Baud: Nation-states always vote their interest and that interest happens to be American and European money.
Russia doesn’t have any significant amount of money.
Also, I doubt China is worried about this setting some sort of precedent because if the day ever comes when they really do want Taiwan back, they will simply buy it.
hilts
@JPL:
Kaitlin Collins is an intellectually dishonest hack reporter.
Wyatt Salamanca
@gwangung:
Science FIction Writers of America has created the Infinity Award, a posthumous award for those writers who died before they could be considered for the Grand Master status.
First awardee is Octavia Butler.
I’ll second that.
UncleEbeneezer
Ben Meiselas and Michael Popok explain that DOJ’s patient approach likely gets testimony from Pence and other Trump VIP’s that wouldn’t have been granted had they charged 9 month ago. AND, all of this builds legal precedent for holding the NEXT TRUMP!! accountable. These rulings that DOJ is waiting to let play out, will help build the legal guardrails for the future, just as all the Nixon Vs. US rulings are informing the legal decisions today. This is such an important point that is never addressed by Do Something critics of Garland. It’s literally how DOJ tries to play the long game to prevent future authoritarians attempting coups.
UncleEbeneezer
@Betty Cracker: I wish he would go into specifics on what can be done that isn’t. Like, which specific laws should be challenged, how he knows that DOJ isn’t already planning to challenge them, admitting legit reasons for why DOJ may be waiting etc. Otherwise this is just incredibly vague, Be Better-ism.
Wyatt Salamanca
@WaterGirl:
@JPL:
If you polled all the members of the White House Correspondents’ Association for their preference between Biden and Trump for 2024, Trump would win in a landslide. They have the exact same mindset as former CBS President Les Moonves, “Trump might be bad for the nation, but he’s great for business.”
I heard that Biden killed it at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, but I can’t bring myself to watch his speech because I know that the overwhelming majority of the audience in attendance is rooting for Trump to win because he’s better for their bottom line and in their minds he’s more exciting than Biden.
WaterGirl
@The Moar You Know: ugh.
WaterGirl
@gwangung: What a great idea!