NEW: Carlson’s Text That Alarmed Fox Leaders: ‘It’s Not How White Men Fight’ @nytmike Jeremy Peters and me https://t.co/Jt2lnBqlcG
— jimrutenberg (@jimrutenberg) May 3, 2023
The NYTimes, in full white gloves & silver platter mode, serving as media butler for Rupert Murdoch:
… The text message came to the attention of Fox’s board of directors and even some senior executives only last month, on the Sunday before the trial was set to begin, according to two people with knowledge of Fox’s internal deliberations. At the time, Fox’s negotiators were entering discussions about an out-of-court settlement ahead of the swearing in of what was shaping up to be a diverse jury.
The next day, the board told Fox’s leadership about its plan to have the law firm Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen and Katz investigate Mr. Carlson. That disclosure set up the possibility that there could be a continuing investigation into what was behind Mr. Carlson’s messages at the same time as a trial, and as he was serving as its top host in prime time.
Fox has not commented about Mr. Carlson’s ouster last week beyond an initial statement announcing that they “agreed to part ways” and thanking “him for his service.” It did not respond to a request for comment on Tuesday on the contents of Mr. Carlson’s redacted message…
This text is emblematic of Carlson’s rhetorical strategy on his every show: overtly pushes hate, racism, encouraging brutality, but then he rhetorically stands back from it, as if to say, but of course, I am a good person and am not advocating this very thing I relentlessly push. pic.twitter.com/ylzgd8DlCq
— ?????????????????????? ???????????? (@maxapotter) May 3, 2023
like, yeah, maybe the odd occasional redneck says something like this, but that’s a real specific way to put it that i have usually heard from organized full-tilt white supremacists, and i grew up with a lot of racists
— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachi) May 3, 2023
are we sleeping on the date on the Tucker text
— post malone ergo propter malone (@PropterMalone) May 3, 2023
(For those who can’t read the embed: January 7, 2021)
Tucker Carlson made a career of masterfully blowing the dog whistle of authoritarianism, racism, illiberalism, hate. And then would be sure to make you notice him throwing that dog whistle on the ground, like it never happened. Every show.
— ?????????????????????? ???????????? (@maxapotter) May 3, 2023
the racist part is incidental to the text! just a little throw-in https://t.co/Tkf04TuK2v
— post malone ergo propter malone (@PropterMalone) May 3, 2023
Fox News executives horrified to discover a hair in the rat poison they’ve been serving your parents
— S??????a???????m?¨??????????_???? ?? (@samthielman) May 3, 2023
the people in charge of FNC were genuinely horrified to learn that their liberal-arts educated colleague actually held racist views and didn't just cynically peddle them to the subhuman hogs in the flyover states
— Kitara Revanchist (@canderaid) May 3, 2023
The only category difference would be that he allegedly called his boss the c-word — a perfectly reasonable reason to fire someone! But don't try to put on the white hat and pretend like you were shocked there was racism in the building.
— Tim Miller (@Timodc) May 3, 2023
the amount of time actual, underpaid reporters have to spend deprogramming a discourse filled with pebbles and silly putty by the heavily funded weiss/tracey/taibbi/mate/greenwald/dore idiotverse is routinely depressinghttps://t.co/AJ1fwc1aCo
— Karl Bode (@KarlBode) May 1, 2023
Cathy Young, of all people:
… To the people making such arguments, I’d offer this question: If someone sent you a gift box containing a couple of dead and decomposing rats, a dozen live cockroaches and a large glop of excrement, would you be pointing out that the sender also threw in a nice bottle of wine and a box of your favorite chocolates? Even if you love the chocolates Tucker throws in with all that other stuff, it’s just not worth it.
Suzanne
How do white men fight? I think of that scene in Bridget Jones’ Diary, with Colin Firth and Hugh Grant beating the shit out of each other with their briefcases. You know. Honorably.
Citizen Alan
We really do need to give more consideration to the idea that white supremacy is common place even among supposedly liberal media outlets. Their support for Fox News and Trumpism permits no other reasonable explanation.
lollipopguild
It only took them well over a year to get to “the” memo. No one at fox was paying attention to Tucker. The lights are on but no one is home(management). Not the best way to run a railroad/Nazi propaganda machine.
Suzanne
Oh, and irony: yesterday, I commented about how I had some canned pumpkin that was going to expire before the fall, and asked in anyone had any recipe suggestions. I noted that I usually use them to make pumpkin cake and bread, but that I was looking for something more nutritious and less treat-ful. So I made a crockpot of pumpkin oatmeal, which smelled great. And then my husband and kids asked me to make them some pumpkin bread.
So. Pumpkin bread it is.
Citizen Alan
@Suzanne:
“How do white men fight?” So much of the hostility towards “wokeness” is about preserving the myth that, historically, white men have only defended themselves and their families honorably against black and brown savages and the Yankess/Communists/Progressives who enable them and were not actually the sort of people who bring picnic lunches to lynchings.
schrodingers_cat
I don’t buy this story. Vichy Times is trying to make their sister news organization look good. Tucker Carlson has said far worse things on air than that text.
Baud
@Suzanne:
Duels.
schrodingers_cat
@Citizen Alan: I speak English because white men came to our shores (India) as traders in Elizabethan times and centuries later proceeded to loot (a word in both Hindi and Marathi) and plunder the land that welcomed them.
Suzanne
@Citizen Alan: Apparently, modern white men fight with tiki torches from the garden section of Home Depot and fashy haircuts from GreatClips. You know. Honorably.
Suzanne
@Baud: OW MY BALLZ.
West of the Rockies
Hmmm… it sure took quite a while before that teenie-weenie empathy alarm buzzed softly in Tucky’s hateful brain.
Anne Laurie
The NYTimes, whose corner office supports Rupert Murdoch because of course they do, is probably planning a series of increasingly incriminating articles on the theme of Tucker Carlson — Now That He’s Gone, Fox News Is *Totally* Respectable. (Or is that Reprehensible? We Always Get Those Two Confused.)
raven
@Suzanne:
Hilarious scene!
John Ritter – Arrested for Cockfighting (Skin Deep 1989)
West of the Rockies
@Citizen Alan:
And the implication that POC do not fight honorably is pretty clear, innit?
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Suzanne
@Anne Laurie: The problem with noting that Tucker says shitty stuff and has for years is that it matters who he says shitty stuff about. Murdoch only minded when he shit-talked his boss and colleagues and Trump. He didn’t piss outside the tent.
raven
That punk-ass motherfucker was never in a fight in his life.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
No way Fucker got fired for being racist. Being racist is a prerequisite for employment at Foxxx.
Mousebumples
@Suzanne: I imagine scenes from Monty Python.
Lots of prancing and English hoity-toity ish accents.
docNC
@raven: Damn straight. He has no idea how anyone fights. That’s obvious.
3 to 1 is not a fight. It’s an attack.
Anne Laurie
He claims he ran in a gang, back in his prep school days, ‘to beat up on homosexuals’. No self-respecting prep school gang would actually let Tucker join, but I can see him permitted — or at least imagining himself permitted — to hang around on the edge of the locker-room bullying, squealing in his high-pitched voice for the thugs to hit ’em harder, oooh!
Steeplejack
I agree. All of this stuff, as bad as it is, is being leaked or hyped by the suits at Fox. There must be much more, and much worse, that hasn’t been seen yet.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
$787,000,000 dollars here, $787,000,000 there and pretty soon you’re talking real money
schrodingers_cat
@raven: I said that in the morning thread. He doesn’t strike me as a guy that fights.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@schrodingers_cat:
He has his British valet (John Gielgud or Denholm Elliott or Sebastian Cabot) do his fighting
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@schrodingers_cat:
@raven:
Dude looks like a doughy pantload. No way he’s ever been in a fight in his life
Baud
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:
He probably refers to it as fisticuffs.
raven
@Anne Laurie: And I’m Father Flanagan from Boy’s Town.
Quinerly
Hmmmm…..
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/a-b-responds-to-bud-light-controversy-one-single-can-sent-to-one-influencer/article_12db8c52-e90f-11ed-be5d-338d88dc3a41.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_St._Louis_Post-Dispatch
Ruckus
@West of the Rockies:
That wasn’t an empathy alarm, that was looking at the cold facts that it may actually be getting a bit less accepted to be as big and open racist fuck as fucker carlson. And no I don’t believe that either fucker c or rupert are worth their weight in dog poop, although there really isn’t any better measure.
laura
@Suzanne: https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/rachael-ray/pumpkin-soup-with-chili-cran-apple-relish-recipe-2273245
Steeplejack
@Quinerly:
They should have leaned into it and told the haters to fuck off (in polite corporate terms, of course). Probably would have triggered libtard backlash sales.
gene108
@Ruckus:
I think Rupert fired Tucker because (1) the boss wanted to flex and remind people who’s in charge, and (2) getting rid of one of the biggest proponents of the 2020 election lies might help Fox News in their remaining lawsuits.
different-church-lady
He didn’t even throw in the wine an chocolates. He just said, “I should be bothered that I put that horrible stuff in a box and sent it to you.”
Roberto el oso
As noted several times already, Carlson has freely admitted (in that vague this-sounds-like-a-made-up-story way) to being into gay-bashing when he was younger, which always involved the ratios of several against one. His shtick has always been like an elaborate extension of Nixon on the Watergate tapes, where Tricky D says (paraphrased) “we could commit Crime 1, Crime 2, Crime 3 …. [pause as he remembers the tape is running] … but that would be wrong.”
gene108
@Steeplejack:
Doubtful
Narya
@Suzanne: wish I’d seen your question; I make a carrot cake that uses pumpkin. Also I ignore nearly all expiration dates.
different-church-lady
When we get right down to it, Tucker is lucky that Howard Beal’s fate was fictional.
Jackie
@Steeplejack: “I agree. All of this stuff, as bad as it is, is being leaked or hyped by the suits at Fox. There must be much more, and much worse, that hasn’t been seen yet.”
Yet.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Quinerly:
I think it’s very sad this has happened to Budweiser. It gives conservative dickheads ammunition with “Go woke, go broke” BS
different-church-lady
Thank goodness for open threads: what is the name for that blue paste they put on tiny screws to keep them from unscrewing?
trollhattan
Fingers crossed they have the actual stabby motherfucker.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@gene108:
Why?
trollhattan
@different-church-lady:
Loctite. Note there are different strengths, some meant to be unscrewed later and some meant to require a fookin’ NFL lineman to undo. The color is the key.
SpaceUnit
Yeah, nazi skinheads always adhere to Marquess of Queensberry rules.
And by yeah I mean no.
different-church-lady
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
No, her big miss was not understanding who was never going to drink Bud Light under any circumstance.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@different-church-lady:
Sorry I changed that. I was worried I was going to run afoul of copyright by blockquoting too much of the article, decided to retool the comment
If anyone’s interested, here’s the article that quote is from
different-church-lady
@trollhattan:
Thanks much! I need the lightest version — I just need to make sure a screw doesn’t work its way out of a cable housing on one of my mic cables.
ETA: answering my own question: blue is the stuff. https://www.loctiteproducts.com/en/know-how/build-things/threadlocker-red-or-blue-which-ones-right-for-you.html#A
Ohio Mom
@Quinerly: I will read that article because it is written by my BIL.
Jackie
Sadly, who’s surprised?😞😡
”An unknown person attempted to send armed tactical teams to the Missoula home of MontanaRep. Zooey Zephyr hours after her girlfriend, Erin Reed, a prominent transgender activist and journalist, was the target of a SWATting attempt in Maryland.
Reed said Tuesday morning that somebody tried to send officers into her home, but because she had reached out to her local police department months ago anticipating such an event, officials called her first and then sent a patrol car to conduct a wellness check rather than sending in a heavily armed SWAT team.”
https://www.advocate.com/crime/zooey-zephyr
RaflW
Even Tucker’s line “Much as I’m sure I’d hate him personally if I knew him” describes a basically awful, insufferable, terrible person. He seems to relish the notion of just instantly hating someone he’s never met. That’s really shitty.
eversor
Tucker has never been in an actual brawl. Because as anyone who’s been in a brawl ever before knows the way it works is your side gets people from the other side onto the ground and then pummels them until they quit moving. It’s brutal.
White men beat white people like that. White women beat white people like that. That’s how street fights go down. The notion of an honor code in a street fight or when you jump/get jumped is fucking insane.
TriassicSands
@lollipopguild:
Oh, they were paying attention to Tucker, just not what a fascist he is. They had their eyes on his ratings. That was all that mattered until Fox News got sued by Dominion and every employee was under scrutiny.
Suddenly, their infatuation with Tucker vanished. Now, instead of attracting a large viewing audience and lots of (sometimes iffy revenue because of boycotts), Carlson was clearly a liability.
It’s all pretty ironic since Tucker Carlson is such a perfect representation of all that Fox News is and isn’t.
Once again, private communications surface to bite the ass that poops them.
Gvg
@Suzanne: every way they’re in reality. But he is a racist, talking to other racists.
He is just saying that for his the not quite natzis and authorities who are too busy. It’s an alibi sort of. It’s meant to confuse the mushy minded middle. White people who aren’t vicious, but just assume most people mean well and don’t have a seething hell inside them disguised by an outer form that looks like their neighbors.
Lyrebird
They certainly paid him big bucks to spew racism live all the time. But. If the text in question really does refer to that young man in a Charlottesville garage who was beaten nearly to death, I don’t know if it would count as specific incitement that could get them in more legal trouble.
I have no idea, and I can easily believe they are just tossing scandal bait out to distract us all. In honor of that young man, who iiuc is tsill recovering from his injuries, I just want to be sure people get the full horror of that particular tweet. It’s not just TCs usual derisive white nationalist claptrap, it’s multiplied.
SpaceUnit
@eversor:
Also, we’ve got a couple hundred hours of video footage from the Capitol Building Riots that show us exactly how white men fight.
Tony G
I would be astonished if Tucker Carlson has ever been in a fist fight in his life. He strikes me as someone who is a physical coward, in addition to all of his other despicable attributes. Like that other guy (Donald Trump) the success of Tucker is an example of how any white man, no matter how repulsive, can become a hero to tens of millions of white men as long as he hates the right people.
Jay
@different-church-lady:
Locktite Threadlocker, comes in white, green, blue and red. Available in liquid or gel pens, ranges from mild to permalock, ( need a torch or brake cleaner and time, to release it).
TriassicSands
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:
Poor widdle Donnie, he’s on a real losing streak. His only hope may be 2024.
He’s probably facing a real crisis. How is it that the legal system that he has always relied on is now turning on him? Why are his bogus claims suddenly being rejected? Can’t everyone see that he is the greatest victim in human history and the subject of an endless witch hunt? What is wrong with everyone?
(Giggle.)
Tony G
@Jackie: This is the primary — maybe the only — accomplishment of the internet — making it easy for the worst people in the world to threaten and harm other people while sitting on a couch and eating Cheetos.
bcw
For once Politico may have it right: they say Tucker was fired to distract everyone from the actual Dominion and Smartmatic cases. And it’s working. Let’s focus, folks.
Gvg
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): the drivers being attacked does seem like more than they planned on. I can see them wanting to make it up to them without the actual promotion being wrong. They need to get the attackers charged.
Quinerly
So blatant.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/emails-reveal-jaw-dropping-herschel-walker-money-scandal
eversor
@docNC:
Nah three on one is a fight it’s just a rigged one. That’s the problem with fights unless there is a ref and some preset rules. It’s anything goes and the goal is to maim the other person. That’s why people steer clear of them. It’s also why when people see a little woman being beat down on the METRO or subway people steer clear of them and the victim suffers. Or people don’t intervene in stabbings on public transit.
Any “street fight” (and I’m lobbing anything not in a ring into this) rapidly turns into someone on the ground getting kicked, punched, or worse as rapidly as possible till they go limp. It’s usually over fast and then everyone who can runs.
Tucker of course has never been in an actual fight. The closest he ever got was probably yelling “hit him” as someone too weak to defend themselves had a ring form around him at prep school and the bully socked them in their face a few times. Which is not how actual fights go down.
TriassicSands
Just for the record, the white men that Carlson is referencing, fight with high priced lawyers, a rigged court system, and the history of this country. It was all set up for them and it’s been working for more than two centuries despite a Civil War, sometimes important legislation, and, to a limited degree, changes in the sensibilities and perceptions of Americans.
Tucker’s white men don’t have to resort to street brawls, they win in the courts, in Congress, and often on election day by rallying many of the street brawlers to come to their aid and save America for white people.
Jackie
The Lincoln Project: FOX has gone WOKE:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BM254UEh0bQ
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Sebastian Cabot will fuck you up. Even now. Dead.
gene108
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I just don’t see liberals rage buying beer to support a promotion with a transgender person or rage buying consumer products. Liberals would buy products if they felt it supported a good cause or a company that shared their values.
Liberals will rage donate to people running for office against despised Republicans. Some GoFundMe campaigns go viral and spark some liberal anger over an injustice.
Otherwise liberals don’t seem to be moved by anger to support something.
SpaceUnit
I have a question for the BJ pedants (in other words all of you). Is it proper to capitalize Capitol Building Riots the way we would The American Civil War or other historical events? Asking for a friend.
And by friend I really mean myself.
Omnes Omnibus
@docNC:
Hell, even a schoolboy fight is provoked by some bully by some bully who thinks it’s fun to pick on the smaller kid, the new kid, or the kid who carries his violin to school. Or some combination of the aforementioned. The provocation goes on until the bullied kid either fights back or breaks down. Oddly enough, the bullied kid doesn’t have to win the fight. They just have to make it clear that bullying them will hurt. The bully then moves on to someone else because, at least in the ’70s, the school administration didn’t give a fuck. Hmmmm… It turns out I still have some feelings about Newtown Middle School. Anyway, my point was even school boy fights between white boys in Fairfield County aren’t fought under Marquess of Queensbury Rules.
Ohio Mom
@TriassicSands: Trump is always in court about something. From Wikipedia : “From the 1980s until he was elected president in 2016, Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in over 4,000 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts, including battles with casino patrons, million-dollar real estate lawsuits, personal defamation lawsuits, and over 100 business tax disputes.”
Now I didn’t spend any time looking for how these thousands of cases shook out but he sure didn’t win all or even most of them. He just considers ending up in court the cost of doing business, or at least the cost of going business his way.
What’s different now is the publicity. EVERYONE knows he’s in court now and how the cases are progressing.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@gene108:
That’s a good answer, and sadly makes sense. Do you think the bad sales for Bud can be partially attributed to left-leaning people avoiding the brand, though, given A-H being wishy-washy?
Ruckus
@gene108:
Likely as good a reason as any other I’ve heard. Some of what fucker c has been saying cost ole ruppie over 3/4 of a billion and as money going in rather than going out is ruppie’s happy place he may have figured that it’s finally time to at least appear to be an actual human being. I’d bet no one is buying it but still ruppie found himself a scape goat. And saved himself some money in the long run. It can’t have been easy for him to sign that over 3/4 of a billion dollar check.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Gvg:
Wait, what? Drivers’s were attacked!? These fucking people are deranged
Suzanne
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Bud Light is already a declining brand. I don’t think a partnership with Dylan Mulvaney is going to compel anyone who isn’t already a consumer to buy more.
Ohio Mom
@SpaceUnit: Haven’t a clue. You could try googling newspaper articles and see how they treat those words. They will certainly capitalize Capitol but whether they use riot, attack, uprising or another word, and whether they capitalize it…
TriassicSands
The Times, which I won’t defend at all on this subject, may have a deeper institutional reason to “support” Murdoch and Fox. Court decisions against media outlets could, in the eyes of Times executives, threaten them as well by leading to legislation that, as is often the case, overreacts or is poorly written.
For obvious reasons, they don’t want restrictions on what they can write and publish (even when it is bothsiderist, false equivalence crap). They probably breathed a sigh of relief when the trial was canceled because it threatened by extension to taint all news organizations.
I don’t agree, but I wonder if that isn’t at least a part of what is going on. But only a part, since, with the Dominion case resolved, there is absolutely no reason to write and publish a single word that in any way helps, praises, or excuses Murdoch and Fox News. The fact that they provided a platform for the likes of Carlson (and all the people still working at Fox News) says all that needs to be said about them. After all, they only fired Carlson when the rest of the world found out just how depraved his is* — I have no doubt that Fox knew it all along.
*Although that was hardly a secret. As was pointed out above, Carlson said on the air many things that were as bad or even worse than what the private communications revealed.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Quinerly:
It’s a good article. From my skim reading, it sounds like Walker’s goose is cooked. They have the emails that Campaign Finance experts say are strong evidence that Walker had knowledge of wrongdoing, the very least of which is wire fraud
SpaceUnit
@Ohio Mom:
They sort of seem all over the map on it.
TriassicSands
@Ohio Mom:
I don’t disagree, but now he’s losing consistently on more and more important issues. And the light at the end of some of these court cases could, for the first time, be a fluorescent light on the ceiling of a prison cell. (I’m assuming most prisons haven’t upgraded to LEDs and the bare incandescent bulb is probably a thing of the past.)
You’re right, now he’s losing publicly and that may energize the cult, but the cult alone isn’t enough to get him a victory in 2024. And each loss must make him less confident about the outcome of the next case.
A peripheral issue that interests (and horrifies) me is what will happen if he wins in 2024? He will pardon himself for any and all applicable crimes and that will go to the Supreme Court, which will have a chance to deliver the worst purely political decision in the history of the United States — a president can pardon himself and is absolutely above the law. Could they stoop that low? I hope we never have to find out.
different-church-lady
@Ruckus: Occam’s Razor says it was “GET THAT ASSHOLE OUT OF HERE BEFORE HE COSTS ME BILLIONS MORE!”
different-church-lady
@Suzanne: Let’s say there was a new beer made out of human piss.
If Trump pushed that beer, there’d be millions of conservatives screaming “YEAH!! HUMAN PISS BEER!!! FUCK YEAH, I’M DRINKING THAT!!!”
If Obama pushed that beer, there’ be a lot of liberals going, “Obama, what the fuck are you doing?”
Baud
@different-church-lady:
I’ll have to rethink the marketing strategy for Baud Lite.
TriassicSands
Hey, Ruckus, I’m going to have to disagree with you here. There are lots of species’ feces that are far more noxious than that of our canine friends. Therefore, there simply must be a “better measure” of the worth of Carlson and Murdoch than mere dog poop. But I get your point.
Perhaps you could get a grant to find the absolute worst poop on the planet and, in so doing, discover the true “best measure” of the worth of those fascist cretins. (Note: I won’t be joining you on such a quest, since I’m satisfied that I can imagine a poop worthy of those a-hos without actually encountering it.)
BeautifulPlumage
@Baud:
“Baud Lite – your sex in a canoe beer”
coin operated
@gene108:
IANAL but methinks that firing your top-rated on-air personality *after* agreeing to a $787M settlement will let your opposing counsel squelch that defense after about 15 seconds of redirect.
*edited for clarity
Jackie
@Baud: You just need a good jingle such as…
🎶Baud, the light beer from clear urinals…🎶
BeautifulPlumage
@Jackie: my fictional brewery is Yeast Pee Brewing (beer is the result of yeast eating sugars and ‘discharging’ alcohol)
different-church-lady
@Jackie: “As my daddy said, ‘Son, it’s in the water!'”
Jackie
@BeautifulPlumage:
@different-church-lady:
😂🤣😂🤣😂
Jay
@BeautifulPlumage:
I am Canadian, don’t diss sex in a canoe,
that’s where the term “thrawrted” comes from,
and we drink real beer up here.
But if you want sex in a canoe, it’s white wine, tequila or Black Label.
Ruckus
@TriassicSands:
To me shit is shit and they both give off the odor in a fairly strong fashion. I’m assuming, because they put so much shit out of their mouths that they are surely going to smell like whatever the worst smelling shit there is.
BeautifulPlumage
@Jay: sex in a canoe = fucking close to water (such as the taste of lite beers is …)
By no means am I dissing Canadians! Y’all rock!
ETA: thwarted? Really? Please explain!
Ramona
@schrodingers_cat: in fairness, they first bought from the Mughal emperor the right to collect taxes and then proceeded to torture women by catching their nipples in split bamboo in order to force taxes from the villages before proceeding to plunder and loot.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@TriassicSands: Wouldn’t it be easier to compare them to corium slag? Worthless, useless, and toxic when people are exposed to it.
barbequebob
@Suzanne: Based on a long history of mobs of white men attacking and beating black men, I would argue that it is in fact the way white men fight. With conservatives the truth is always the opposite of what they claim.
Chris Johnson
Tucker vs. Murdoch is purely a power struggle. Tucker is run out of the Kremlin, full stop, and bitterly jealous of Trump who got to play President while Tucker had to content himself with playing a journalist… even though he was MUCH more disciplined, capable and committed than Trump ever was!
Murdoch happens to think he is rich and powerful and doesn’t have to answer to Putin. Mitch McConnell likewise figured out real quick after Ukraine that he didn’t really have to answer to Putin. It’s been a real wake-up call to fascists who thought they would be forever outclassed by the big bad ex-KGB spook: in particular, Murdoch is inclined to not play along anymore, thinking himself more powerful than an emasculated, sick, old former empire builder. Takes one to know one: Rupert thinks Vlad is past it, and overextended.
The trick with this ‘text’ from Tucker is that it is a trial balloon. I’m going to suggest this antifa text, wherever it really came from, is a carefully crafted take on the attitude meant to win the Republicans the Presidency, with Tucker in Trump’s place as Russia-directed stooge. The whole thing is a play for ‘fascism but in sorrow rather than anger, so you get to do the fascism and you get to win, but you pretend you still have a soul’. It’s a well designed play. Note that Tucker, in the text, still gets to side with the guys beating up the Antifa kid, but he’s exempt because he claimed a moment of compassion! I would bet money that Tucker emerges as a Presidential candidate. This is why he and Trump hate each other so bad. They’re the same. There is NO reason Russia can’t discard Trump and run with Tucker.
Chris Johnson
Mark my fucking words. Tucker Carlson will run/be run, for President.
Quantum man
@different-church-lady: They would claim it cured covid and STDs.
Paul in KY
@schrodingers_cat: In hindsight, your country should never have welcomed any English/Europeans. Same for our native Indians.
You guys might have fended them off. Don’t know about our natives. They might have been able to carve out a homeland, maybe.
evodevo
@Suzanne: As far as I am concerned, you win the internets today LOLOL
Paul in KY
@Quinerly: Hope he goes to prison for it. Will say though that I’m pretty sure TFG has done this, only more elegantly.
When TFG is more ‘elegant’ than you, you really need to do some deep soul searching, IMO.
Paul in KY
@SpaceUnit: I’m ok with it.
Paul in KY
@Omnes Omnibus: At my school in 70s, they did not give a fuck. Survival of the fittest and all that.
Paul in KY
@different-church-lady: You have succinctly described key differences between MAGA dipshits and us. LOLing!
Paul in KY
@Baud: ‘Now with more Baud Juice!’ does seem like a bad marketing idea, if you were aiming for the upscale liberal/progressive market…
JCNZ
Terrific Jack Shafer response to this: “Why have so many powerful actors chosen this moment to slag Carlson, when none of the behaviors described clash with the way he’s carried on for years? One possibility is that people who are working for Fox have assembled a PR campaign to discredit the network’s former star that will throw the press pack off doing additional coverage on the Dominion case. It’s like a fighter jet releasing a flare to fool an enemy’s heat-seeking missile. Why theorize in this direction? Because the story that’s currently being put out there just doesn’t add up.” https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/05/03/whats-really-behind-the-release-of-tucker-carlsons-texts-00095182