It’s hard to be shocked these days, but these Clarence and Ginni Thomas revelations are, in fact, shocking:
Conservative judicial activist Leonard Leo arranged for the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to be paid tens of thousands of dollars for consulting work just over a decade ago, specifying that her name be left off billing paperwork, according to documents reviewed by The Washington Post.
In January 2012, Leo instructed the GOP pollster Kellyanne Conway to bill a nonprofit group he advises and use that money to pay Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, the documents show. The same year, the nonprofit, the Judicial Education Project, filed a brief to the Supreme Court in a landmark voting rights case.
Leo, a key figure in a network of nonprofits that has worked to support the nominations of conservative judges, told Conway that he wanted her to “give” Ginni Thomas “another $25K,” the documents show. He emphasized that the paperwork should have “No mention of Ginni, of course.”
This is straight up bribery. The end. This man has no business on the court.
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Shalimar
Just the Ginni Thomas no-work contract is the biggest bribery scandal in the history of SCOTUS. And it’s less than 1% of the total bribes Clarence took.
different-church-lady
It’s getting to the point where he’s going to have to resign.
He won’t, of course, but he’s going to have to.
Turgidson
They don’t give a shit, won’t face any consequences, and our media will just shrug and move on in a week or two.
It’s just so fucking depressing.
Ken
No, see, if a good friend wishes, out of the kindness of his heart, to pay your wife twenty-five thousand dollars, you can’t very well refuse that without hurting your friendship. And if that friend wants to conceal that he’s giving her the money, well, that’s just to protect her privacy.
@different-church-lady: I’m still of the opinion that if Thomas resigns, his mother will be out on the street by the end of the day, and the Thomas home bulldozed as soon as Crow gets a redevelopment permit.
different-church-lady
@Turgidson:
I don’t think the media is going to move on. I think they find this one nice an juicy.
Turgidson
@different-church-lady:
Enough bad faith outrage from their favorite GOP Senators and I think they drop it. I guess we’ll see.
Fraud Guy
Time for some audits.
Raoul Paste
And the defense will be “this is a political attack on Justice Thomas”. Ignore the issue entirely. Because there is no real defense for this corrupt duo.
Jay
dmsilev
Apparently the court is his business.
BQuimby
Saw in the comments somewhere re this and the tuition matter: “I’ve had Crunch Wraps more supreme than this court!”
JWR
@dmsilev: Hey yeah! Just swap Thomas with Leo, and voila! Problem solved! Wait…
BlueGuitarist
@Turgidson:
Wait, are you saying he wouldn’t get his hair mussed?
azlib
When you believe you are above the law, you act like you are above the law.
kalakal
The GOP SCOTUS members could be used as the dictionary definition of hubris.
Their sheer arrogance and their contempt for the public is revolting.
Thomas is a corrupt fool, I hope his and his wife’s venality is what forces accountability on this out of control pack of bigots
different-church-lady
@azlib: When you believe you are the law…
Turgidson
@BlueGuitarist:
Ten to twenty million of Harlan Crow’s dollars killed. TOPS!
patrick II
@different-church-lady:
Thomas is too shameless to resign, but even if he wasn’t he would have to stay on the court to protect Ginnie for Jan 6 activities.
Urza
Much like the insurrection this will be considered not important to one side, who’s votes sadly matter for solving it. Now, say even 1% of these things about Hunter Biden and they’ll be up in arms, literally.
Matt McIrvin
If he does resign, it’s hard for me to imagine that a replacement would ever be confirmed while Joe Biden is in office. The number of liberal justices on the Supreme Court can only decrease, it can’t increase–the whole political establishment would decry that as horrific partisan opportunism and insist that Biden must appoint a Federalist Society hack out of a sense of fairness.
Mallard Filmore
Isn’t that money laundering? Sometimes I wish I was a lawyer.
Jay
https://www.theonion.com/tucker-carlson-texts-that-got-him-fired-1850405562?utm_campaign=TheOnion&utm_content=1683246702&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=twitter
Ksmiami
Still think that the court can be saved? No, it’s another useless and destroyed institution courtesy of the criminal conspiracy racket known as the GOP.
mrmoshpotato
@Jay: Photo or it I didn’t happen.
TriassicSands
Oh, Clarence has “business” on the Court. His business is to help create a one party minority rule country wherein bigotry, especially religious bigotry, rules.
It was obvious back in the 90s that Thomas had “no business” being on the Court. But he’s on the Court and it would be a true miracle if he were to resign. All this negative publicity just further firms up his resolve to get his way and get even with Democrats. Since there is zero chance of an impeachment conviction, Thomas is immune to accountability. I just don’t see either a referral to the DOJ or if that did occur, that the DOJ would be willing to hold Thomas accountable. I surely would love to be wrong.
tokyocali (formerly tokyo ex-pat)
This stinks and so do the tuition payments. If they couldn’t afford to send the grandnephew to private schools, they should have sent him to the local public school like the majority of the US population. I really can’t get over that he accepted tuition payments for his grandnephew and yearly trips and thought it was acceptable. Normal people who aren’t moochers or lacking in ethics, lose sleep over that worrying about how to pay the money back or what kind of favors they’ll owe in return. He needs to go.
Brent
@Matt McIrvin: Well at the moment, we have the Senate. So no way to prevent Biden from appointing whoever he wants. But definitely after 2024, assuming that Biden wins the presidency, and we lose the Senate (which seems fairly likely with the current landscape), it will be a much tougher lift.
Quinerly
I’ll leave this here. Quite the read imo. Explains why McCarthy gave Carlson the 1/6 tapes
“He was changing the Republican Party, and he loved having that kind of power”
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/tucker-carlson-gop-maga-puppeteer-fox-news-1234729643/
TriassicSands
But he’ll have to. But he won’t. But he’ll have to. But he won’t. But he’ll have to. But he won’t. But he’ll have to. But he won’t. Ad infinitum…
I’m sensing an infinite loop here.
But he will die someday. That may be the only way to get rid of him and his equally corrupt wife.
scav
Roberts’ court is clearly destined to be one for the history books. Rotting fish-head.
Amir Khalid
At what point does all this blatant corruption by the Thomases cross the line into criminal conduct? It beggars belief that any of this is beyond the reach of federal criminal statutes simply because the husband is a Supreme Court Justice.
Quinerly
@Mallard Filmore:
Has anyone checked George’s Twitter since this broke? I have to wonder if he will be giving interviews. He’s been so vocal in the last 3 years.
TriassicSands
@azlib:
Thomas doesn’t follow the law. He invents the law, as he looks down on it from above.
scav
@TriassicSands: Laws, like taxes, are for little people.
Dangerman
Resign and allow future Justice Barack Obama? I like the thought of heads exploding. Not gonna happen.
TriassicSands
Thomas is corrupt in ways that most justices might not even be able to imagine.
However, the problem of gifts applies to all the justices. It is a problem of elite privilege. In infects almost everyone who attains such an exalted perch in society.
There may have been isolated cases in history of SCOTUS justices essentially taking bribes and delivering a vote (it’s definitely happened lower down the food chain), but in 2023, I doubt if any justice would change his or her vote for money. The money is simply their due. I’d say Thomas and Alito would never change a vote for money. They have an agenda (not that the other Federalist Society justices don’t), but I don’t think either Thomas or Alito pays any attention in oral arguments in order to complete their understanding and arrive at a vote. They already know how they’re going to vote. They will push their religion and continue their assault on the separation of Church and State. They will continue to favor the electoral prospects of Republican candidates. They will continue to attack the administrative state making it more and more difficult for a Democratic administration to govern effectively and responsibly. And so on.
TriassicSands
@scav:
Yep, it’s right their in the Constitution. Somewhere.
Repatriated
The money isn’t to change a vote, it’s to ensure they don’t even consider questioning the vote they would normally cast.
Mallard Filmore
@Quinerly:
Sorry. George who?
Chetan Murthy
@Mallard Filmore: Mr. Kellyanne Conway, of course.
[I mean, she’s the famous one, not him]
BruceFromOhio
I’m starting a GoFundMe, my new company will openly bribe the spouses of the fascist judges to influence whatever business you have before the court. For a small cut, uh, percentage um FEE I’ll pass your bribe, uh, payment, wait no, tithe! That’s it, it’s a tithe because this is all non-profit of course, but your TITHE will be deposited via plain brown envelope with no names of course and that includes yours.
Roger Moore
@Mallard Filmore:
Not according to Clarence Thomas, who doesn’t feel the need to recuse himself from this case because he knows he did nothing wrong so there’s no conflict.
Mallard Filmore
@Chetan Murthy: Ahh. I get it now. His wife was the bag-lady pass through.
Frankensteinbeck
@Amir Khalid:
The Roberts court has previously ruled that bribery exists only with an explicitly stated quid pro quo. The income reporting laws do not seem to have punishments. Some laws don’t. So, as near as I can tell, all of this gross, obvious corruption… isn’t criminal. There is literally nothing to prosecute him for.
TriassicSands
@Repatriated:
C’mon. Do you really think Thomas ever questions his vote? The same for Alito? Barrett? I’m laughing. Gorsuch? More laughter. Kavanaugh? Probably the iffiest of the lot. Roberts is a different case. He’s just as radical in his beliefs as the others, but he’s Chief Justice and has to nurse the public perception of the Court. His agenda is the same as the others — he’s just willing to take it a bit more slowly so it can be mistaken for legitimate, apolitical change.
The problem is one of appearance and also that occasionally there will be people who might change their votes. It’s happened in the lower courts, but let’s face it, after say, Souter, the Right isn’t taking any more chances. By the time someone gets the Good Fascist Seal of Approval from the Federalist Society there is no doubt about how they will vote on the overwhelming majority of cases and none whatsoever on certain issues.
The more doctrinaire and radical a justice, the less likely it will be that anything could affect their vote. Of the nine justices last year, I would say, based on that criterion, that Breyer or Kagan would be the most suspect. That doesn’t mean I think they would change their vote, but that flexibility makes it appear more possible.
As I said in a earlier comment, this is, to me, a problem of elite privilege. They all think it is their due. That has nothing to do with their legal philosophy and everything to do with how special they think they are. I thought RBG was a great justice, but it seemed pretty obvious to me that her fame and notoriety went to her head. That wouldn’t affect her votes, but it would affect whether she thought she deserved special gifts and treatment.
To invoke a cliche: It comes with the territory.
patrick II
@Frankensteinbeck:
I wonder how he reported this income on his tax forms.
TriassicSands
I think you are probably right, but also, I don’t think they will prosecute under any circumstances. All he has to do is revise his filings and all will be forgiven — because he’s a SCOTUS justice.
Of course, that’s exactly how laws are applied to everyone in America regardless of wealth, social status, race, etc. (Wait, I’m going to be sick…)
Princess
This is obscene and I think it resonates even with those who want him to stay on the court.
also, good for Pro Publica but where has the rest of our press been for the last 40 years?
I hope they plan to expose each justice in turn. Including “ours” if necessary/warranted. You can’t have a functioning democracy if the highest court is bought and paid for.
Chetan Murthy
@patrick II: And how Crow reported it on *his* taxes. When a gift exceeds some limit, the giver has to pay gift tax, IIUC.
john (not mccain)
Why aren’t the 3 patriotic justices screaming about this? Makes me wonder about them, honestly. They can’t possibly believe the system will work to fix the problem.
Chetan Murthy
@john (not mccain): I can easily imagine that they want to preserve what possibility there is for convincing one of the Fascist Six to vote with them. I mean, if you burn those bridges for good, you’re as much as saying you’re never, ever going to be in the majority on any case.
And furthermore, it’s on the other two branches of government to rein in this SCOTUS. That’s the way the system is designed to work. Or not work, as the case may be.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
I’m shocked! I’m shocked!
Redshift
@Princess:
The LA Times reported on Thomas and Crow twenty years ago. He reported the “gifts” on his disclosures then, but he stopped after they reported on how scandalous it was. In case anyone had any doubts that his “I didn’t think I had to report it” line was complete bullshit. The rules weren’t too hard, he knew he was supposed to report it, but he didn’t like being criticized, so he just… didn’t.
opiejeanne
@Chetan Murthy:
I’ve been too busy today, missed a lot of the news, and that’s a good question.
George was on MSNBC yesterday or the day before talking about the trials and tribulations of TFG, and smirking. I think it was Nicole Wallace’s show, and boy does he hate TFG.
Mai Naem mobile
@opiejeanne: i was wondering if George was the source for this last corruption story about Ginni and Kelly Anne. George Conway’s got to know a lot of GOP corruption secrets going back at least to Bill Clinton.
Chetan Murthy
@Mai Naem mobile: Damn, that’d be one *acrimonious* divorce! IANAL, but that sure smells like money laundering, what she did.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
Y’know, the United States Constitution is very clear that bribery is grounds for impeachment. Of course, as we saw in the past three years, the Republican Party won’t allow a little thing like the Constitution to stand in the way of the IOKIYAR Principle. Not if it means removing their President, and not if it means removing a right-wing member of the Supreme Court when there isn’t a Republican President and Congress to make sure someone who’s not a right-winger doesn’t take their place.
Mai Naem mobile
@Chetan Murthy: one never knows and they have four kids, at least 3 who I believe are minors. At this point I wonder who the more successful of the couple is because George is the more successful lawyer but Kelly Anne may have made more money off her media gigs and her ‘polling’ firm. Its got to be a big $$$ divorce. I also have to wonder if she did other money laundering in D.C, what with all the Russian and Mideast money floating around in D.C.
Mai Naem mobile
I would like somebody to ask Clarence Thomas why he couldn’t afford to send his kid to an expensive private school when his annual family income was around $500K at that time. It was high school and if I understand it correctly it was just the last two years of high school. It wasn’t like he was going to be paying the tuition for 12 years.
Aussie Sheila
@Chetan Murthy:
Exactly. If Congress wants reform, and they should, it will have to be legislated. This is one dilemma that can’t be litigated to any conclusion. It is absurd that a High Court operates in a democracy without any democratic oversight of its operations. Note, not it’s decisions, but it’s operation as the third branch of government.
High time this Council of Guardians was put in its place. The other thing that can be legislated is restrictions on the matters it can rule on. The Democratic Party should give that some real attention.
Chetan Murthy
@Aussie Sheila: re: your last, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_stripping
Yes, Congress can do this. They just have to *want* to. Oh, and they have to be Dems, b/c ain’t no way the GrOPers are gonna hamstring their super-legislature right after they built it.
sab
@Bruce K in ATH-GR: They redefined bribery so that there no longer is such activity in the real world. Bribery as they define it means you have to have a notarized contract. No wink and nod and exchange of funds is enough.
They being the Supreme Court. When they overturned Gov McDonell’s conviction in Va.
Chetan Murthy
@sab: Now that’s not completely fair: if you’re a Democratic politician and your son gets paid for a no-show job, that’s prima facie proof that you got bribed!
sab
@Chetan Murthy: Apparently you don’t share my cynicism. Sweet summer child. //
Also too if you are a Democrat and your son got paid for a job he showed up for and did, that is also a bribe. See Hunter Biden.
Chetan Murthy
@sab: Oh, I was trying to say “/s” that I agreed with you. And I thought that Hunter hadn’t actually done anything for that job in Ukraine (but then, that happens all the time with family of the rich and powerful).
Ashley
Straight Up Corruption is a deeply concerning issue, reflecting a blatant abuse of power and trust. It undermines the foundations of a fair and just society, demanding immediate action and vigilance to root out and address such unethical behavior.
Aussie Sheila
@Chetan Murthy:
Hunter Biden is a distraction. He is a damaged failson. Let’s get back to reforming the USSC before any more women die, and Jim Crow is completely restored in the Southern and mid western states.
I don’t give a rats about Hunter Biden. If he broke any laws presumably he will be charged.
More importantly, no one else gives a rats either. Pity Javanka aren’t being pursued more vigorously.
Chetan Murthy
@Aussie Sheila: That’s certainly what I was trying to get across. Perhaps too much veiling of the sarcasm.
sab
@Chetan Murthy: Sorry to mock you when I had realized you agreed. Clashing “///”s. I think the jury is still out on whether Hunter Biden did nothing and I am not willing to yield that ground until they prove their point. We roll over when they accuse. Hillary’s e-mails.
sab
Not rolling over on Hunter Biden either. He didn’t choose to have a drug problem. He was pain medicated as a tiny child after a life-threatening injury where his mother and baby sister were killed.
ETA Meanwhile he went on to college and law school where he did well. Then used his connections to get work. Which he did.
Aussie Sheila
@sab:
Agree with all that. But if he broke any laws he will have to face charges. There may be many things to point to in mitigation, but I wouldn’t be going to the mattresses over him. He is a distraction. One manufactured by the Republicans. Don’t fall for it.
sab
@Aussie Sheila: I agree that if he broke any laws he will have to face charges. But I haven’t seen any sign that he broke any laws. Whenever they say we did something wrong we fold. They never fold. And their accusations are mostly projection. They think we do what they do. So we need to defend our own from their projective accusations.
Aussie Sheila
@sab:
Sure. If he did nothing, nothing will happen except Right wing yapping. In which case it can be safely ignored. He’s not an elected politician. Remember Jimmy Carter’s brother?. I vaguely do. It’s a nothing burger. Forget it. Hunter Biden’s laptop is now an internet meme against the Right at this stage.
sab
@Aussie Sheila: To us it is a nothingburger. To him I assume it is traumatic. I don’t want him, to think nobody outside of his family cares.
I have a recovering/ed drug using stepson. He was a party animal who was also self-medicating for anxiety. He has finally, after 25 years of drug addled floundering, found himself a competent shrink who has him on appropriate medication.
I don’t take kindly to people who take pot shots at drug addicts for political gain. Especially pot shots at drug addicts who have struggled into recovered.
Betty Cracker
@sab: I don’t consider HB one of “our own” — he’s a private citizen, and while some of the conduct he’s alleged to have engaged in is sleazy, I haven’t seen any evidence that it’s illegal, nor any indication his father was involved. The latter is the only thing that would make the HB mess of any concern to me.
I agree with Aussie Sheila that the HB saga is a distraction, and so I haven’t followed it closely. But my limited exposure leads me to believe the one charge Repubs make that might have some legs is, ironically, that HB obtained a fire arm illegally.
sab
@Betty Cracker: He is a private citizen. So why the fuck are they talking about him.
Also too. I am very distressed about Clarence Thomas’ nephew kid that he apoarently stole from his sister. Clarence Thomas did very wrong here there and otherwhere but can we please leave this kid out of the fray.
ETA I do acknowledge that I am the one who brought them up in this thread. But me, a nitwit in Ohio, should not even know who they are.
Since I do know who they are I need to help defend them.
MomSense
Nina Totenberg has some explaining to do.
sab
@MomSense: OMG. What did she do now?
Aussie Sheila
@MomSense:
But could she do it? I’ve only seen/heard her once. She struck me as insufferable.
sab
@MomSense: I am all for nonagenarions not paying their property taxes. Let their kids or grandkids clean up.
sab
@Aussie Sheila: We have heard her for decades. Used to be the NPR voice of common sense on Supreme Court coverage. Didn’t even finish college, but bright enough to actually follow and report on legal reasoning. Her accent doesn’t annoy most Americans.
NPR is American National Public Radio.
Aussie Sheila
@sab: It wasn’t her accent. It was her insufferable deference and reverence for the Supreme Court that got me. It’s a frickin High Court, not the papacy. Unfortunately that’s a lesson that has to be learned by everyone now.
lowtechcyclist
Would be nice to have some loud demonstrations outside the Supreme Court. With signs saying, quite specifically, “DRAIN THE SWAMP!!” because after this, it’s time for us to steal this one, make it ours, and hit the RWNJs over the head with it.
Aussie Sheila
@lowtechcyclist: Love it!
sab
@Aussie Sheila: I think it is the usual access issues. She didn’t used to be so awful, but then they didn’t used to be so awful.
sab
@lowtechcyclist: I am an board for that.
Betty Cracker
I almost pity Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. Justices Kagan and Sotomayor too, but at least they served during some years on the court when it was still considered a legitimate and prestigious institution by most Americans. KBJ rose to the top of her profession and received the highest honor in it that this country can bestow, then landed in the middle of this corrupt shit-show, through no fault of her own. That must suck.
Aussie Sheila
@Betty Cracker:
I have a feeling she is going to be one of the most consequential Justices in history.
Betty Cracker
@Aussie Sheila: I believe she’s fully capable of that, and she’s young enough to outlast the corrupt old dinosaurs and help turn the institution around. It would be a wonderful thing to see!
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@sab: Sadly true, but if a Supreme Court judge gets impeached and convicted and removed, I don’t think he can appeal that to a higher court.
JPL
GMA is covering Clarence for the second day in a row. Since his name isn’t Hillary, I find it unusual.
Aussie Sheila
@JPL:
But is his email hygiene appropriate to such a highly placed person?
MomSense
@sab:
@Aussie Sheila:
She did absolutely nothing except for invite them to her dinner parties. She is Exhibit A for the danger of access journalism. She’s supposedly the senior correspondent for all things SCOTUS working for a news outlet that is supposed to be the closest thing we have to objective and in the public interest and she doesn’t do a bit of investigation into them. Keep in mind that many of us were already speaking out about the Thomas’ conflicts during the bohohohohohgus Bush v. Gore decision.
I guess I’m the last remaining member of the scream at NPR club, but seriously fuck NPR. I miss you Debbie and hope you are ok!
lowtechcyclist
@MomSense:
I gave up on NPR back in 2016, otherwise I’m sure I’d still be screaming at them.
Kay
@Mai Naem mobile:
Clarence and Ginni Thomas can afford it. It isn’t about what they can afford. It’s about what they can get from donors. Thomas listed a gift of “tires”. $1200. They hit someone up for tires.
Kay
sdhays
@lowtechcyclist: I gave up on them some time during Obama’s first term. I would listen to them during my morning exercises and I would just get angry, which isn’t a nice way to start the day.
Kay
Over the decades of Totenbergs friendship with Scalia he took seventy lavish vacations courtesy of GOP donors. He died on one of them.
So, good for PorPublica. It’s about time someone actually covered the Supreme Court.
waspuppet
I can’t get over the “of course.” He knew. So when does he get charged? And (maybe) Conway too?
O. Felix Culpa
@Kay:
Wow. The greed and shamelessness shouldn’t be surprising, and yet they continue to surprise.
Anyway
@lowtechcyclist:
Yes, I never listen to NPR and my mornings are so much better … I had got used to a few mins of their morning program (can’t remember what it’s called now – YES!) every day but Cokie Roberts’ inanities got me to finally quit.
I used to make an exception for the quiz show or Terry Gross but couldn’t bear listening to them. Not a minute since 2014 or so.
lowtechcyclist
And just in general, fuck access journalism. I’m sure it can add some useful information every now and then, but as far as I can see, its main effect is to corrupt the reporting. What they hold back on including in their reporting in order to preserve access to a source, “beat sweetener” pieces, the whole fucking nine yards.
Kay
@lowtechcyclist:
It’s funny, because it doesn’t seem to work as reporting anyway. It always turns into holding back information from readers. It works for two people- the reporter and the source. It sucks for everyone else.
Manyakitty
@sab: and using connections to get work is kinda the whole point of making those connections.
waspuppet
@Kay: Cf. Maggie Haberman, whose “tremendous access to Trump and his inner circle” has never resulted in her breaking a story no one else has, just to being first with Trump’s denial.
Jinchi
My thoughts exactly. The McDonnell case made it clear that the Supreme Court considers obvious bribery just a regular perk of the job, at least for Republican officials.
(The Supreme Court overturned the conviction)
Jinchi
Ah yes. Who can forget her scolding tone when candidate Obama traveled to Hawaii during his presidential election campaign?
WaterGirl
@Jay: That is LOL funny.
WaterGirl
@dmsilev: I stumbled over Cole’s last line, too. Depends on whether he is referring to Thomas or Leo.
WaterGirl
@MomSense: I could use some context. How does Nina Totenberg enter into this?
@Kay: Oh. never mind.
misterpuff
@O. Felix Culpa: Does Clarence have a Corvette, because that’s what 4 tires cost on that vehicle, right Dark Brandon?
Perhaps the generous donor was gifting tires for the RV, that the Thomases only drive to the executive airport to meet the plane to the yacht.
billcinsd
@Jinchi: Sadly, the overturn was 9-0
sab
@Anyway: I like our NPR local station’s local news coverage. Without NPR we would probably only have angry guys on talk or sports radio. But I pretty much ignore their national coverage. Morning Edition and All Things Considered infuriate me. 1A in the midday is often good and sometimes their early afternoon show. Just avoid it at rush hour morning or evening.
sab
@Jinchi: Hawaii was too exotic, and New Orleans isn’t.