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Odds & Ends

by WaterGirl|  May 5, 20235:03 pm| 91 Comments

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I have been kind of out of it for a few days.  Do we all know that there are gaps in the MAL surveillance tapes that Trump turned over?  And that apparently Jack has subpoenaed the surveillance tapes directly from the company?  Jack Smith is very thorough.  Go Jack!

I hadn’t seen this clip from Garland, though I had seen other clips.

If you still believe January 6 was a normal tourist visit, then you are either in a cult or you are … definitely in a cult. https://t.co/oVWacYN97B

— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) May 4, 2023

Short clip from one of the podcasts I listen to.   Funny, I always thought Norm Ornstein’s last name was spelled with an M.

.@NormOrnstein: this is about all the voters who are torn about voting R after everything that’s come to light, but if Trump keeps the 30% he’s still likely to get the nomination. Hear him, @carolelee & @jonathanalter analyze further https://t.co/lYsEmNtPfu pic.twitter.com/2Bijs9lZ3M

— Harry Litman (@harrylitman) May 5, 2023

This is a Happy Friday gift to whoever it is on Balloon Juice who keeps begging for them to dig up Ivana from the golf course because they are sure classified documents are buried there.

pic.twitter.com/j12IVlx1Be

— Greg Rossi 🇺🇦 #CлаваУкраїні (@sailorboygreg) May 5, 2023

 

Interesting thread. Here’s the first tweet.

FRIDAY THOUGHTS :: THRED ::

WHAT WE KNOW:

1. Donald cut his trip short to return to the states.
2. The Calamaris just testified in the documents case and they work for the Trump Org.
3. DoJ subpoenaed Mar a Lago surveillance tapes last June. 1/

— Mueller, She Wrote (@MuellerSheWrote) May 5, 2023

Some fun speculation:

2. The DoJ has developed evidence of additional documents at other properties pursuant to evidence from the LIV golf tournament or the cooperating witness and Donald came home to fight/negotiate another subpoena/search warrant.

Just some thoughts. #FindOutFriday END/

— Mueller, She Wrote (@MuellerSheWrote) May 5, 2023

Looking forward to the (other) Jack Smith’s Q & A tonight.

Open thread.

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  1. 1.

    FelonyGovt

    May 5, 2023 at 5:06 pm

    The Calamaris testified? What about the Squids? (I’ll be here all week.)

  2. 2.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    May 5, 2023 at 5:08 pm

    @FelonyGovt: The Squids are sleeping with the fishes. They should have clammed up.

  3. 3.

    FelonyGovt

    May 5, 2023 at 5:09 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: 😀😀😀

  4. 4.

    bbleh

    May 5, 2023 at 5:15 pm

    Meanwhile, has anybody noticed the obvious tell in “MAL”?  I mean, were the writers working to rule before the strike or something?  Sheesh …

  5. 5.

    bbleh

    May 5, 2023 at 5:16 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: yeah but now they’re being grilled.

  6. 6.

    WaterGirl

    May 5, 2023 at 5:23 pm

    @FelonyGovt: @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:

    Thanks for the laughs!

  7. 7.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 5, 2023 at 5:23 pm

    The Calamaris

    Who are these bitches who besmirch the good name of a delicious appetizer?

  8. 8.

    lollipopguild

    May 5, 2023 at 5:24 pm

    We should deep six some of these comments.

  9. 9.

    WaterGirl

    May 5, 2023 at 5:24 pm

    @bbleh: ???

  10. 10.

    bbleh

    May 5, 2023 at 5:24 pm

    @lollipopguild: at least they avoided salty language

    @WaterGirl: “mal” = Latin root meaning bad; evil (literally “evil” in French)

  11. 11.

    WaterGirl

    May 5, 2023 at 5:25 pm

    oooh.  just in.

    👀 https://t.co/NTTLdB3yqI

    — Jack E. Smith ⚖️ (@7Veritas4) May 5, 2023

  12. 12.

    kalakal

    May 5, 2023 at 5:25 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: Should have found a safe plaice

  13. 13.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    May 5, 2023 at 5:25 pm

    @bbleh: That’s what happens when the prosecutor flexes his mussel. I’m just glad the whole coup attempt Floundered.

  14. 14.

    bbleh

    May 5, 2023 at 5:27 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: yeah, brings ’em out of their shells.

    okay I stop now

  15. 15.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 5, 2023 at 5:28 pm

    Cubs win! (the end times are near!)

  16. 16.

    WaterGirl

    May 5, 2023 at 5:29 pm

    @bbleh: oh.  very tired today, not too sharp!

  17. 17.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    May 5, 2023 at 5:31 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:

    They won’t clam up for long under that pressure

  18. 18.

    trollhattan

    May 5, 2023 at 5:32 pm

    @FelonyGovt: ​That’s one chewy amuse bouche!

    Aren’t phosphorous weapons illegal? Not that any namby pamby “rules” ever stop Russia from war-criming. Really, they’re more suggestions than rules.

  19. 19.

    Other MJS

    May 5, 2023 at 5:33 pm

    @FelonyGovt: It’s a trap!

  20. 20.

    trollhattan

    May 5, 2023 at 5:34 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: ​Speaking of couping as a verb, “The Great” season 3 arrives Monday. Huzzah!

  21. 21.

    No One of Consequence

    May 5, 2023 at 5:35 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: ​

    Obligatory:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l1GvDWtccI

  22. 22.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 5, 2023 at 5:35 pm

    @WaterGirl: I hope they had very valuable information.

  23. 23.

    Josie

    May 5, 2023 at 5:35 pm

    Everyone is getting so salty.​
     ETA: Darn, bbleh got there first.

  24. 24.

    Layer8Problem

    May 5, 2023 at 5:36 pm

    @bbleh:  You’re channeling River Tam there: “Mal. Bad. In the Latin.”

  25. 25.

    Alce _e_ardillo

    May 5, 2023 at 5:36 pm

    Holy mackerel!

  26. 26.

    trollhattan

    May 5, 2023 at 5:39 pm

    @Josie: I’m working for scale.

  27. 27.

    trollhattan

    May 5, 2023 at 5:41 pm

    @WaterGirl: ​Pondering an immune Fani. Never gets numb?

  28. 28.

    geg6

    May 5, 2023 at 5:41 pm

    Could also be related to Georgia.  Apparently, Fani Willis has given immunity to 8 of the fake electors there.  And speculation is she’s going for RICO.

    ETA:  Lindsey, Rudy and Eastman seem to be in deep shit.  Hope she buries them in it.

  29. 29.

    Baud

    May 5, 2023 at 5:43 pm

    Y’all are doing this on porpoise.

  30. 30.

    Layer8Problem

    May 5, 2023 at 5:44 pm

    You’re not baiting me, chum.

  31. 31.

    FelonyGovt

    May 5, 2023 at 5:44 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: I see your Cubbies beat the Marlins, furthering the fishy metaphors…

  32. 32.

    RaflW

    May 5, 2023 at 5:45 pm

    re: the missing sections of surveillance tape, I know the rageful don goes with his gut and fails to think things through, but in the 21st century did anyone on his team think a Nixonian deletion was gonna work? C’mon.

  33. 33.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 5, 2023 at 5:46 pm

    @FelonyGovt: I was NOT going for that!  Shame on you!

  34. 34.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    May 5, 2023 at 5:47 pm

    Does anyone have any theories yet on why Tucker was fired?

    Yeah, I know, we’re supposed to believe, or pretend to believe, the story Fox planted. The host of the White Supremacist Power Hour never said anything racist ever except that one time in that email in 2021, and nobody read that email until a few days ago, and they’re really shocked at what he said so that’s why he was fired.

    A lot of the media seems to have dropped interest and just gone with that absurd story line.

    But it makes me wonder what was behind it? Honestly, I wouldn’t have cared. I accepted the earlier story line that it was because he called someone in upper management a poopyhead. But the fact that they’re working so hard to get disinformation out there has me curious now.

    Was something really, REALLY bad about to come out from Abby Grossberg and she agreed to drop what she was going to say in exchange for something, and allow this story to stay out there?

  35. 35.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 5, 2023 at 5:48 pm

    @RaflW: Trump apparently did.

  36. 36.

    Roger Moore

    May 5, 2023 at 5:49 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: ​
     
    I expect them to cover for Trump with a cloud of ink.

  37. 37.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    May 5, 2023 at 5:49 pm

    @trollhattan: there was something fishy about that butler.

  38. 38.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    May 5, 2023 at 5:49 pm

    @RaflW: Worked (as far as we know publicly) for the Secret Service text messages. I’d be a little surprised if that’s true and some intelligence agency didn’t hoover them up, but of course if so that would be classified. Or, if it was Russian intelligence, in a file under Putin’s pillow.

  39. 39.

    Roger Moore

    May 5, 2023 at 5:50 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Things are heating up!

  40. 40.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    May 5, 2023 at 5:50 pm

    😃

  41. 41.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    May 5, 2023 at 5:52 pm

    @WaterGirl: ​

    I learned a new scummy thing this year about Republicans. They provide a lawyer “for you”, won’t cost you a nickel, but the lawyer is actually working for TFG and against your interests. Happened to Cassidy Hutchinson, and it happened to the fake electors, who never learned until very recently that Fani Willis had offered them immunity.

  42. 42.

    Captain C

    May 5, 2023 at 5:53 pm

    I wonder if the testifying Calamaris are related to these Calamari Brothers?

  43. 43.

    Geminid

    May 5, 2023 at 5:53 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Jack Smith’s looking for a squid pro quo.

  44. 44.

    Miss Bianca

    May 5, 2023 at 5:54 pm

    OK. This thread is of-fish-ally off the hook.

  45. 45.

    Scout211

    May 5, 2023 at 5:56 pm

    I didn’t know who “the Calamaris” were so I went fishing.

    CNN  has some info:

    Calamari Sr., the executive vice president and chief operating officer of the Trump Organization, has primarily overseen security operations for Trump and his properties during his decadeslong career working for Trump. His son, Calamari Jr., is director of security for the Trump Organization.

     

    What the special counsel is investigating:

    CNN has previously reported the footage captured Walt Nauta, an aide close to the ex-president, Nauta and another Mar-a-Lago employee moving boxes containing documents out of a storage closet.

    The Calamaris are among several witnesses expected to testify in Smith’s investigation on Thursday, sources said. Prosecutors have previously brought in lower-level Trump employees for questioning about the surveillance footage, including how it may have been handled in response to the subpoena for it and if it could have been tampered with, two sources told CNN this week.

    Investigators also have previously asked about a text message from Nauta to Calamari Sr. and subsequent conversations about the surveillance footage, according to two of the sources. The Justice Department questioned Nauta months ago about the handling of the boxes, and he told the FBI about being directed by Trump, CNN previously reported.

  46. 46.

    WaterGirl

    May 5, 2023 at 5:56 pm

    @trollhattan: ha!

  47. 47.

    trollhattan

    May 5, 2023 at 5:56 pm

    @Geminid: Expended a lot of ink on it, he did.

  48. 48.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    May 5, 2023 at 5:57 pm

    We’ve netted a lot of great comments! I mean, despite just trolling, we managed to lure in a number of people into the pun fest!

  49. 49.

    WaterGirl

    May 5, 2023 at 6:00 pm

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: When they have a whole bunch of reasons, it begins to feel like “my dog ate my homework” and “my grandma died” and “the bus was late” etc.  which all together = bullshit.

    So we are in total agreement that they have not stated the real reason.

    My person theory is that Dominion required the firing of Tucker, but part of the agreement was also that the fact that that was part of the agreement had to be kept confidential.

    Discovery would have KILLED Fox deader than a doornail, so I think the big payout and firing Tucker was the deal for settling

  50. 50.

    CaseyL

    May 5, 2023 at 6:00 pm

    The Calimaris, IIRC, were the frog-headed members of the Rebel’s Alliance in Star Wars, who became a meme for yelling “It’s a trap!” which was counter-memed at some point into “It’s a Tarp!”

    But the ones who testified regarding classified documents are obviously a disfavored branch of the galactic Calimari family: Imperial p(r)awns, according to family spokesfish, though their opinions may be dismissed as mere cuttlefish scuttlebutt.

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:  I find myself caring less and less about the “real” reason for TC’s firing.  I note, though, that Grossberg worked at Fox for quite a while, and didn’t think anything disgusting was going on until it affected her personally (as is typical for the Right).  So, if I had to come up with a theory, it would be that something really awful happened to her, directly to her, that she blames Fox or Carlson or both for.

  51. 51.

    M31

    May 5, 2023 at 6:01 pm

    when puns are on offer we’ll always take the bait

  52. 52.

    Geminid

    May 5, 2023 at 6:01 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: Nobody’s very koi about it, either.

  53. 53.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 5, 2023 at 6:02 pm

    You all disgust me.

  54. 54.

    trollhattan

    May 5, 2023 at 6:03 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: ​Oh look, the gills are arriving!

  55. 55.

    kalakal

    May 5, 2023 at 6:05 pm

    Let the scales of justice be evenly balanced

  56. 56.

    kalakal

    May 5, 2023 at 6:06 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: no need to carp

  57. 57.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    May 5, 2023 at 6:08 pm

    I’m no good at puns so I’m tuna-ing out at this point.

  58. 58.

    minachica

    May 5, 2023 at 6:08 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: Are your ears burning?

  59. 59.

    Geminid

    May 5, 2023 at 6:09 pm

    @Scout211: I believe Dr. Silverman described Calamari Sr. as one of Trump’s “hitters.” I think that meant a bodyguard ready to muscle people.

    Or should that be “mussel” people?

  60. 60.

    Baud

    May 5, 2023 at 6:10 pm

    I dedicate this thread to Not(ilus)Max.

  61. 61.

    NotMax

    May 5, 2023 at 6:11 pm

    @mrmoshpotato

    Perhaps our hired mussel can convince you otherwise.
    ;)

  62. 62.

    Scout211

    May 5, 2023 at 6:12 pm

    This article in Insider Is a profile of Calamari, Sr.

    Oh my.  Just look at his photos.  He could be an extra in The Godfather. Scroll to the end and there are more fish puns via Twitter. LOL 

    He was a former college football player but was injured.  

    A knee injury put an end to that and Calamari found himself working in security. At the 1981 US Open, a pair of hecklers interrupted the game between Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova. He decisively handled it.

    “I took one guy immediately right down,” he told Bloomberg. Then he tackled another heckler: “I ran right at him, I picked him up, I slammed him to the ground, I carried him down.”

    Trump and his wife at the time, Ivana, were impressed, he told Bloomberg. Trump instructed Barbara Res, who led building construction at the Trump Organization, to hire him as a security guard. Calamari worked security for the building of Trump Tower, and then continued working as a security guard for the building when it was finished.

    Trump later hired him as his personal bodyguard, and he’s risen the ranks ever since.

    . . .

    At his properties, Trump runs extensive surveillance far beyond the security operations of normal golf clubs and hotels, according to BuzzFeed News. At his Mar-a-Lago estate, he reportedly had a switchboard that allowed him to eavesdrop on calls made from any room’s telephone.

    For years, Calamari ran the company’s surveillance programs at Trump Organization properties, according to BuzzFeed News.

    In 2011, his son, Matthew Calamari Jr. joined the Trump Organization. He became the company’s “Director of Surveillance” in May 2016, according to his LinkedIn profile. In April 2017, he was promoted to become the company’s Director of Security. Sources who worked for the Trump Organization told BuzzFeed News that Calamari, Jr. picked up the surveillance gig from his father.

  63. 63.

    NotMax

    May 5, 2023 at 6:13 pm

    @Baud

    Aw, shuck(er)s.

  64. 64.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 5, 2023 at 6:14 pm

    Today is the anniversary of the Bay View Massacre.  Where is Steve in the WTF when we need him as a rhetorical punching bag?

  65. 65.

    Baud

    May 5, 2023 at 6:14 pm

    @Scout211:

    He was a former college football player but was injured.

     
    So I guess Calamari is no shrimp.

  66. 66.

    lowtechcyclist

    May 5, 2023 at 6:15 pm

    @Mr. Bemused Senior:

    there was something fishy about that butler.

    I think he was a Pisces.

  67. 67.

    NotMax

    May 5, 2023 at 6:16 pm

    “Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and no abalone?”
    :)

  68. 68.

    FelonyGovt

    May 5, 2023 at 6:16 pm

    Deleted. Enough Calamari for me today.

  69. 69.

    Baud

    May 5, 2023 at 6:17 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    C’mon. Have some sole.

  70. 70.

    Kristine

    May 5, 2023 at 6:18 pm

    All these piscine-related puns are making  me crabby.

  71. 71.

    UncleEbeneezer

    May 5, 2023 at 6:18 pm

    From yesterday:

    NEW: special Counsel Jack Smith is now investigating the Saudi-backed LIV golf tournament. From the NYT’s latest:

  72. 72.

    Fake Irishman

    May 5, 2023 at 6:19 pm

    Is anyone concerned that the special counsel is merely on a fishing expedition, or has he got a whale of a case?

  73. 73.

    NotMax

    May 5, 2023 at 6:21 pm

    @FelonyGovt

    Gantzeh, k’nocker & Howe.
    //

  74. 74.

    Scout211

    May 5, 2023 at 6:21 pm

    Matthew Calamari is a real person, you guys. Please stop dragging his name through the sauce.— Matt Goldich (@MattGoldich) February 27, 2019

  75. 75.

    trollhattan

    May 5, 2023 at 6:21 pm

    @Baud: No shrimp, indeed. Family photo.

  76. 76.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    May 5, 2023 at 6:23 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: 😉

  77. 77.

    prostratedragon

    May 5, 2023 at 6:37 pm

    @Fake Irishman: It all started innocently enough …

  78. 78.

    UncleEbeneezer

    May 5, 2023 at 6:42 pm

    I hear Calamari is nothing more than a pig’s dick.

  79. 79.

    UncleEbeneezer

    May 5, 2023 at 6:45 pm

    @Fake Irishman: With investigations of MAL, Obstruction, Fraud/Fundraising, etc., he’s definitely casting a wide net.

  80. 80.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 5, 2023 at 6:52 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: ​pig’s dick

    What kind of fish is that?

  81. 81.

    kalakal

    May 5, 2023 at 7:01 pm

    @Fake Irishman: Time to start reeling in the criminals

  82. 82.

    NotMax

    May 5, 2023 at 7:19 pm

    @kalakal

    But- but- according to the idiot faction of the Left, Merrick Garland is floundering.
    //

  83. 83.

    cmorenc

    May 5, 2023 at 7:20 pm

    Will Trump wiggle off the hook somehow, using a bad-bass move?  I am mahi afraid he could, even if it smelts to high heaven.

  84. 84.

    lowtechcyclist

    May 5, 2023 at 7:28 pm

    @prostratedragon:

    It all started innocently enough …

    …on Tuesday. I was sitting in my office on that drizzly afternoon listening to the monotonous staccato of rain on my desktop and reading my name on the glass of my office door. “regnaD kciN”.

  85. 85.

    kalakal

    May 5, 2023 at 7:43 pm

    @NotMax: They think he’s all at sea.

  86. 86.

    TriassicSands

    May 5, 2023 at 7:48 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:

    The Pun Police have a warrant out for your arrest.

  87. 87.

    soapdish

    May 5, 2023 at 7:54 pm

    I’m pretty sure we learned from This American Life that Calamari is really just pig asshole, which is certainly appropriate.

    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/484/doppelgangers

  88. 88.

    prostratedragon

    May 5, 2023 at 8:04 pm

    @lowtechcyclist:  😄😄

  89. 89.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    May 5, 2023 at 8:16 pm

    Fani Willis has given immunity to 8

    So many Fippers

  90. 90.

    UncleEbeneezer

    May 5, 2023 at 8:41 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I dunno, probably Brittish!

  91. 91.

    Elizabelle

    May 5, 2023 at 9:56 pm

    Just now herring about this thread.

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