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Corrupt President (Open Thread)

by WaterGirl|  May 7, 202311:58 am| 161 Comments

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Well done, sir!

Look, there are just too many Trump cases and crimes to keep them all straight. I think we need a mnemonic device to help us with this. So, I've come up with one to help you keep track of them. It's easy to remember. Just think: C-O-R-R-U-P-T P-R-E-S-I-D-E-N-T.

— David Rothkopf (@djrothkopf) April 27, 2023

Personal fraud
RICO (Georgia)
Election fraud (Georgia)
Stolen secrets
Insurrection
Defamation
Election fraud (Federal)
New York City corporate fraud (Stormy Daniels case)
The crimes we don't know about yet

— David Rothkopf (@djrothkopf) April 27, 2023

Open thread.

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  1. 1.

    WaterGirl

    May 7, 2023 at 11:59 am

    I especially like the final “T” in President:

    The crimes we don’t know about yet.

  2. 2.

    SFAW

    May 7, 2023 at 12:08 pm

    Hunter S. Biden is worse.

    And, yes, the “S” stands for “Soros.”

  3. 3.

    zhena gogolia

    May 7, 2023 at 12:10 pm

    Wow, that is brilliant.

  4. 4.

    Amir Khalid

    May 7, 2023 at 12:12 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    That right there could turn iut to be the biggest single caregory of Trump’s crimes.

  5. 5.

    James E Powell

    May 7, 2023 at 12:14 pm

    Corporate media executive #1: There are just too many Trump scandals to keep track of.

    Corporate media executive #2: How can we be objective? Maybe we should just stop talking about them.

    CME #1: No, we have a job to do. We just have to find or invent a Biden scandal for every Trump scandal we talk about.

    CME #2: Great idea. I will get our people on it at once.

  6. 6.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 7, 2023 at 12:18 pm

    @zhena gogolia: It definitely is.  Bravo! to Mr. Rothkopf.

  7. 7.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    May 7, 2023 at 12:19 pm

    Like Jeffries’s alphabetic speech

  8. 8.

    MomSense

    May 7, 2023 at 12:25 pm

    What do you think about the CNN town hall with Trump  in NH scheduled for next week?

  9. 9.

    Uncle Lefty

    May 7, 2023 at 12:27 pm

    Nice start, but we’re going to need a bigger alphabet.

  10. 10.

    MattF

    May 7, 2023 at 12:27 pm

    And the RW loves Trump because he ‘put America first’. It’s… difficult to understand that sort of reasoning. To put it as mildly as I can.

  11. 11.

    Brachiator

    May 7, 2023 at 12:28 pm

    It is criminal that the media treats Trump as an acceptable, if eccentric, presidential candidate. They are also eager to see him repeat his 2016 campaign style, when he was an unknown political figure shaking up the GOP, instead of a former president with a political record.

    The press also seems to believe that the threat to democracy is not real.

    Shameful.

  12. 12.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 7, 2023 at 12:32 pm

    @MattF: There is no reasoning.

    It’s, how you say?, bullshit.

  13. 13.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 7, 2023 at 12:34 pm

    @MomSense: It’s vastly more deplorable than their “Empty Dump Podium” coverage of 2015/16.  And that was some deplorable shit!

  14. 14.

    WaterGirl

    May 7, 2023 at 12:37 pm

    @Uncle Lefty: No, we just need more descriptions.

    Maybe:

    The Former Guy

    could be another one.

  15. 15.

    WaterGirl

    May 7, 2023 at 12:37 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I think that is a true statement!

  16. 16.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 7, 2023 at 12:38 pm

    @MomSense:

    ::: channeling my inner Baud :::

    CNN is garbage.

  17. 17.

    WaterGirl

    May 7, 2023 at 12:39 pm

    @James E Powell:

    wry chuckle is the best I can do, because it’s so very true.

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    May 7, 2023 at 12:40 pm

    @MomSense:  What do we think of the town hall itself?

    Or what do we think about the whores at CNN who proposed this?

  19. 19.

    WaterGirl

    May 7, 2023 at 12:41 pm

    @Brachiator: I think i’t more that the press thinks they will be on the winning side, so there will be no consequences for them.

  20. 20.

    Brachiator

    May 7, 2023 at 12:47 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I think i’t more that the press thinks they will be on the winning side, so there will be no consequences for them.

    What’s the winning side of an authoritarian regime?

    Not yet being thrown in jail for reporting something that offends the rulers?

    Imagine a President DeSantis or Trump going after the press for opposing some presidential decree, the way that DeSantis is going after Disney.

  21. 21.

    Ken

    May 7, 2023 at 12:48 pm

    @WaterGirl: It’s not like TFG ever pointed out the reporters covering his rallies and called them his enemies and opponents, nice and loud so everyone in the mob could hear.

  22. 22.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 7, 2023 at 12:49 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    What do we think of the town hall itself? 

    Or what do we think about the whores at CNN who proposed this?

    I’m just calling them both shit.  It saves time. :)

  23. 23.

    NotMax

    May 7, 2023 at 12:50 pm

    Everything Dolt 45 is associated with is made worse.

    Too bad, I’d kind of grown fond of the alphabet.
    //

  24. 24.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 7, 2023 at 12:52 pm

    @NotMax: LOL!  Well played!

  25. 25.

    Brachiator

    May 7, 2023 at 12:54 pm

    @MomSense:

    What do you think about the CNN town hall with Trump  in NH scheduled for next week?

    It’s absurd that CNN or any other media outlet should host this farce.

    At minimum, Trump should publicly admit that he lost the 2020 election and that all claims of a rigged election are false.

    I don’t see him as a legitimate candidate and the press should not accept his lies and corrupt acts as incidental or unimportant.

    His January 6 behavior should also be addressed.

  26. 26.

    cope

    May 7, 2023 at 12:55 pm

    @WaterGirl: CNN have made extensive executive and hosting changes that indicate decisions have been made to turn right.  This upcoming shit show fits right in.

  27. 27.

    James E Powell

    May 7, 2023 at 12:55 pm

    @Brachiator:

    I go back & forth between which is worse, the way they promote & protect Trump or the way they do the same for the ignorant, hateful bigots who are is rabid supporters.

    The political media refuse to state the obvious & devote major resources to the diner explorations in search of some legitimate grievance that Trumpsters might have – as if we all don’t have something to be unhappy about.

    I will never forgive them for their hysterical “How dare you say that?” response to Hillary Clinton pointing out that Trump’s racist & misogynist followers were deplorable.

  28. 28.

    Kay

    May 7, 2023 at 12:58 pm

    @attackerman.bsky.social
    @attackerman
    1h
    Even My Editor Told Me I Was Being Used, But No Journalist Had Spoken To This Fraud In Years, So It’s Time To Launder Her Reputation

    NYTimes laundering the reputation of Elizabeth Holmes, the notorious founder of Theranos who is a convicted felon. Compare to their treatment of felons who are not well connected and from wealthy families.

    The author of the article is Amy Chozick- the NYTimes reporter who covered Clinton in 2016 and did such a lousy, sloppy unfair job.
    Chozick cashed out in 2016 with another one of the dumb campaign books they all write – the book was titled “Chasing Hillary” but it was actually about (surprise!) Amy Chozick.
    The NYTimes should pay the Clintons residuals- without the unhinged, decades long Clinton hatred at that newspaper none of their star celebrity journalists would have careers.

  29. 29.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 7, 2023 at 12:59 pm

    @Brachiator:

    It’s absurd that CNN or any other media outlet should host this farce fascist. 

    At minimum, Trump Dump should publicly admit that he lost the 2020 election and that all claims of a rigged election are false fresh from a horse’s ass.

    Some corrections for ya.  (Free service Sunday)

  30. 30.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 7, 2023 at 1:03 pm

    @James E Powell:

    I go back & forth between which is worse, the way they promote & protect Trump or the way they do the same for the ignorant, hateful bigots who are is rabid supporters.

    Both are equally bad! -Chuck Todd

    Oh, sorry.  That’s Upchuck Toddler comparing the Democratic and Rethuglican parties.  My mistake.

    ETA

    I will never forgive them for their hysterical “How dare you say that?” response to Hillary Clinton pointing out that Trump’s racist & misogynist followers were deplorable.

    And she was being nice!

  31. 31.

    Ruckus

    May 7, 2023 at 1:08 pm

    @MattF:

    It’s not difficult to understand, it is as selfish as it is possible to be. Like SFB it does nothing to help overall, it is intended to profit one person – the shitty person in a position to be able to become shittier.

    Yeah, I rarely put it mildly, because it isn’t a mild situation, it can and easily can get to be life defining/threatening for many if someone like SFB gets any power whatsoever.

  32. 32.

    Elizabelle

    May 7, 2023 at 1:12 pm

    @Kay:  Amy Chozick.  Gag.  I scrolled right past that article today, because it did look like reputation laundering.  (Blurb:  she lost the black turtleneck and changed the voice and now she’s concentrating on being a mom.  No thank you.)

    Speaking of better people, David Rothkopf is a treasure.

  33. 33.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 7, 2023 at 1:13 pm

    @Ruckus:

    it can and easily can get to be life defining/threatening for many if someone like SFB gets any power whatsoever. 

    And it did – for hundreds of thousands.  (And that’s just counting COVID deaths as of Jan 19, 2021!)

  34. 34.

    James E Powell

    May 7, 2023 at 1:16 pm

    @Kay:

    Liberals could do something about the NYT but they just can’t go three months without those recipes. Bud Light sales dropped 1% and the person got fired. Market power matters.

  35. 35.

    Kay

    May 7, 2023 at 1:23 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Elizabeth Holmes attempted to sell her fake blood testing machines to the government of Mexico, because she believed Mexico wouldn’t require verification of the machines safety and reliablity because she would be donating the machines to be used on poor people. She would then use the Mexico purchase to sell in the US.

    She’s another one of these incredibly privileged people who seem to have no ethical or moral standards at all. There are so many of them! I am perfectly serious when I say we need to look at how these people are being raised and educated- something is going really wrong.

  36. 36.

    Brachiator

    May 7, 2023 at 1:26 pm

    I was watching a clip of the Brooks and Capehart PBS segment on the Clarence Thomas controversy. I was a bit surprised that David Brooks disclosed that he has known Harlan Crow for 20 years, considers him a friend and thinks that he is a nice guy.

    I wonder if they eat at Applebee’s together?

  37. 37.

    Kay

    May 7, 2023 at 1:28 pm

    @James E Powell:

    The Holmes story was funny because she would have gotten away with her bullshit in a lot of other industries (look at Elon Musk) but she went into healthcare, and in healthcare she ran into a lot of people who got into that line of work because they actually care about patients. She was surrounded by people who are better people than she is and a BUNCH of them blew the whistle. At the end the company didn’t have any blood scientists or health care people because all of them had left. They had like sales and some tech people left :)

  38. 38.

    WaterGirl

    May 7, 2023 at 1:31 pm

    @James E Powell: I think you can subscribe to just the recipes.  (I think I read that here recently.)

    It’s the people who can’t live without their crossword puzzles that keep them in business.

  39. 39.

    West of the Rockies

    May 7, 2023 at 1:31 pm

    @MomSense:

    I expect the town hall to have a highly-curated audience of Trump-friendly, allegedly independent softball slingers.

  40. 40.

    Kay

    May 7, 2023 at 1:32 pm

    @James E Powell:

    In the fawning article in the NYTimes Holmes describes taking her baby to the ER and the ER doc says “you look just like that horrible woman from Theranos” and Holmes says something like “because you’re so much better”

    Yeah. Actually he is better, Elizabeth. You’re really bad.

    She has zero remorse for any of it. She’d do it again in a heartbeat. She’s going away for a good long stretch which is good because next time she will kill people.

  41. 41.

    NotMax

    May 7, 2023 at 1:33 pm

    @,a href=”https://balloon-juice.com/2023/05/07/corrupt-president-open-thread/#comment-8835418″>WaterGirl

    It’s the Wordleholics.
    ;)

  42. 42.

    NotMax

    May 7, 2023 at 1:35 pm

    Whoops-a-daisy. Fix.

    @WaterGirl

    It’s the Wordleholics.
    ;)

  43. 43.

    lowtechcyclist

    May 7, 2023 at 1:38 pm

    @Kay:

    She’s another one of these incredibly privileged people who seem to have no ethical or moral standards at all. There are so many of them! I am perfectly serious when I say we need to look at how these people are being raised and educated- something is going really wrong.

    Or just tax the rich way more heavily and close all the damn loopholes, so that their lack of moral and ethical standards only matters to a relatively small number of people because they don’t have the resources to mess up the body politic at large.

  44. 44.

    Brachiator

    May 7, 2023 at 1:44 pm

    @Kay:

    The Holmes story was funny because she would have gotten away with her bullshit in a lot of other industries (look at Elon Musk) but she went into healthcare, and in healthcare she ran into a lot of people who got into that line of work because they actually care about patients.

    Holmes had to simply demonstrate that her product worked. She apparently convinced people who believe in woo like homeopathy, but she was defeated by actual science.

  45. 45.

    Citizen Alan

    May 7, 2023 at 1:45 pm

    @lowtechcyclist:  I genuinely believe as a matter of religious faith that we should have confiscatory tax rates simply because wealth above a certain level makes people turn evil while also giving them greater power to do evil things. And I’m pretty sure Jesus would agree with me! I mean, he did flat out say that people should pay their taxes and that most if not all rich people will go to hell.

  46. 46.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    May 7, 2023 at 1:45 pm

    Trump is such a target rich individual that some letters can have multiple meanings.  D could stand for Deranged or Delusional and S could stand for Stupid, but that being said David Rothkopf has done a truly masterful job.

    Meanwhile, Megyn Kelly posted the most vile and disgusting comments on Twitter in response to the Allen, Texas mass shooting. What a heartless asshole.

    h/t https://www.mediaite.com/news/megyn-kelly-uses-latest-mass-shooting-to-dunk-on-gun-reformer-activists-you-have-lost-its-done

  47. 47.

    Geminid

    May 7, 2023 at 1:46 pm

    From the elektrek.com clean energy news site, May 4:

       The US’ largest clean energy infrastructure project is kicking off construction

    SunZia, a massive wind power and transmission line project in the US Southwest, is now ready to start construction.

    SunZia is made up of SunZia Wind and SunZia Transmission.

    SunZia Wind is the largest Wind project in the Western Hemisphere. The 3,500-megawatt wind farm sprawls across Torrance, Lincoln and San Miguel counties.

    SunZia Transmission is a 550 mile long 525kW high-voltage direct current (HVDC) transmission line from central New Mexico to South Central Arizona. It has the capacity to transport 3,000 MW of clean energy.

    The owner, California-based Pattern Energy Group, says they will invest $5 billion in the SunZia project. The power line will run along that of Pattern’s Western Spirit Wind project, a 1000 MW project in the Cline’s Corner area completed in 2021. Pattern has supply contracts for that electricity in Southern and Central California.

    High voltage, direct current power lines cost more than overhead lines but create less public resistance because they run underground. Hitachi Energy, “which has delivered more than half of HVDC projects in North America,” is a major contractor for the SunZia project, and will also provide load management and other systems.

  48. 48.

    cope

    May 7, 2023 at 1:48 pm

    @WaterGirl: Also this from Aldous Pennyfarthing at DK:

    “If Trump doesn’t storm off the set within the first 10 minutes of the town hall or break down sobbing as he shits his pants in fear, this will have been a major fail on the part of CNN. Somehow, though, I suspect they’ll be ‘polite’ and needlessly deferential to our unrepentant insurrectionist and wannabe democracy killer.”

  49. 49.

    cain

    May 7, 2023 at 1:49 pm

    @cope: Probably because that demographic is the only one who watches 24 hour news and will watch ads.

    The rest of us are just watching twitter or tiktok, and mastodon.

  50. 50.

    cope

    May 7, 2023 at 1:54 pm

    @cain: Good point.

  51. 51.

    Frankensteinbeck

    May 7, 2023 at 1:56 pm

    @Geminid:

    It has the capacity to transport 3,000 MW of clean energy.

    Jesus, you could power two flux capacitors with that.

  52. 52.

    Cameron

    May 7, 2023 at 1:57 pm

    Sorry, the mnemonic in the OP was too much for my poor old brain. I’ll stick with the classic: “Person. Man. Woman. Camera. TV.”

  53. 53.

    cain

    May 7, 2023 at 1:58 pm

    @cope: Honestly? It’s probably going to be just like one of those reality tv shows with people yelling and shouting and jeering.

    Expect a lot of accordion hands going on.

    The best thing to do is make sure that it has a very low participation from democrats. It’s just an attempt to troll us.

  54. 54.

    JoyceH

    May 7, 2023 at 1:58 pm

    @West of the Rockies:

    I expect the town hall to have a highly-curated audience of Trump-friendly, allegedly independent softball slingers.

    Nope – it’s worse. It’s an audience of “Republican primary voters”. Already announced. And my thought? WHAT is CNN thinking?!

    They’re treating Trump like a normal politician and his voters like normal citizens. When Trump starts spouting the Big Lie in front of an audience that believes the Big Lie, is the moderator going to have the moxie to interject with the truth? And if she does, how does he and how do they react? Whatever excellences Kaitlan Collins might have, I’ve never heard her described as battle-hardened.

    I don’t get it. The correspondents at CNN certainly seem to be aware that Trump is not normal and his followers are not normal, but management has scheduled this thing like it’s just your average routine political event.

    And considering CNN’s level of unawareness to reality, I have to wonder – will they have sufficient SECURITY at the event? And if it’s in deep red territory, whose side will the police be on?

  55. 55.

    Tony G

    May 7, 2023 at 1:59 pm

    @SFAW: I made the mistake recently of getting into a spirited debate with some right-wing lunatics on the Very Important Topic of public school teachers “indoctrinating kids into Critical Race Theory” while “grooming kids into being transgender”.  Ooga Booga.  A lot references to “Soros-controlled school systems” and “Soros teacher’s unions” were thrown around.   For these people “Soros” is just a two-syllable word that they’ve learned is Bad and Scary.  When the actual human George Soros shuffles off his mortal child their media will supply them with another two-syllable word to fear and hate.

  56. 56.

    WaterGirl

    May 7, 2023 at 1:59 pm

    @NotMax: I do not sign in.  I will not link Wordle to a NYT account. I NEVER play any of the other games they try to push on Wordle.

    As far as I can tell, they get nothing out of my playing Wordle.  Am I missing something?

  57. 57.

    Baud

    May 7, 2023 at 2:01 pm

    @Geminid:

    Thanks, Biden.

  58. 58.

    topclimber

    May 7, 2023 at 2:05 pm

    @Tony G: I keep hoping Joe gives Soros the Medal of Freedom just to troll MAGA. Also payback for Rush.

    ETA: Also because he deserves it.

  59. 59.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    May 7, 2023 at 2:06 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Jesus, you could power two flux capacitors with that.

    That’s heavy, doc

  60. 60.

    topclimber

    May 7, 2023 at 2:06 pm

    Nothing to see here folks. Just move along.

  61. 61.

    Splitting Image

    May 7, 2023 at 2:08 pm

    @Tony G:

    For these people “Soros” is just a two-syllable word that they’ve learned is Bad and Scary.

    It’s a two-syllable word for Jew. Those guys marching in Charlottesville complaining about being “replaced” didn’t pick their target by accident.

  62. 62.

    Frankensteinbeck

    May 7, 2023 at 2:08 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Best decision I made in my WIP is to give Nerd Princess Kelp Goggles the speech patterns of Doc Brown.  People love it.

  63. 63.

    Baud

    May 7, 2023 at 2:08 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Oh, great. So in addition to climate change, now we have to worry about the Earth’s gravitational field.

  64. 64.

    Baud

    May 7, 2023 at 2:09 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Great Scott!

  65. 65.

    Frankensteinbeck

    May 7, 2023 at 2:10 pm

    @Baud:

    Exactly.

    Also she does a lot of Science.

  66. 66.

    oldgold

    May 7, 2023 at 2:13 pm

    The public disclosure process out of Allen, Texas  seems abnormally slow and opaque. Last night the new conferences were remarkably vague and the news today is meager. What is going on?

  67. 67.

    MomSense

    May 7, 2023 at 2:13 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I doubt TFG would agree to participate in a town hall without a lot of conditions about the questions and the composition of the audience.

  68. 68.

    West of the Rockies

    May 7, 2023 at 2:15 pm

    @JoyceH:

    Well, hopefully, CNN will have the always-incisive Wolf Blitzer on hand to really rein-in Trump’s nonsense. //

  69. 69.

    West of the Rockies

    May 7, 2023 at 2:19 pm

    @oldgold:

    I’ve noted that, too.  The release of info is very slow and not transparent.

  70. 70.

    JoyceH

    May 7, 2023 at 2:20 pm

    @West of the Rockies: ​
     

    Have they even named the shooter yet?

  71. 71.

    MomSense

    May 7, 2023 at 2:20 pm

    @oldgold:

    People at the mall said the shooter was dressed like a cop.  I didn’t give it much thought until the vague response from law enforcement.

    Just heard the news from
    Brownsville and I just don’t know what we are going to do about this.  It’s tragic and infuriating.

  72. 72.

    Ruckus

    May 7, 2023 at 2:23 pm

    @Kay:

    something is going really wrong.

    It’s the downfall of the easy well off. I’d bet that 99% of them think they did it all on their own. But it never, ever works that way. It’s always on the backs of others. Easily well off is people who profit off of an earlier generation or have something – likely money that a prior generation “earned” – that they can take advantage of. Humanity has worked this way since day one. Hell the existence of life has been this way since day one. Every species depends upon the effects/spillage/waste/profits of others. We have currency but for most species food is their basic profit. Currency is just another/better way to store the basics of living and to have the add ons that make it easier/sometimes better.

  73. 73.

    scav

    May 7, 2023 at 2:24 pm

    @West of the Rockies: Maybe it’s hard to treat a dead man to hamburgers?

  74. 74.

    cain

    May 7, 2023 at 2:37 pm

    @Splitting Image: Note how AIPAC and others stay quiet when this shit gets spouted.

  75. 75.

    Chief Oshkosh

    May 7, 2023 at 2:38 pm

    @James E Powell: Afraid you’re right. I just cannot convince my liberal family members the the NYTimes is bad for children and other living things. I’ve even walked them through Adam’s posts about how the NYTimes set the left side of any conversation, no matter how rightward that stance is.

  76. 76.

    cain

    May 7, 2023 at 2:38 pm

    @topclimber: He should give a medal of freedom to the band Rush. :-) Neil Peart is a way way better human being than that asshat.

  77. 77.

    sukabi

    May 7, 2023 at 2:40 pm

    @Brachiator: it’s probably not just Brooks that’s in Crow’s pocket….between him, the Koch’s, the Mercer’s, the Uline folks, the DeVos family they probably have more than half the political media on family retainers….paid by entrance to the best parties, access to their friends and exclusive first hand info to the best stock tips…

  78. 78.

    cain

    May 7, 2023 at 2:40 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh: The conventional wisdom about the NYT is that it is a liberal newspaper – adored by liberals and hated by right wingers.

    The reality is much different – there is no strain of fascism that the NYT doesn’t like.

  79. 79.

    Kristine

    May 7, 2023 at 2:41 pm

    @NotMax: @WaterGirl:

    I found this substitute for Wordle: https://wordplay.com/

    It’s the same game. You just miss out on the camaraderie of working the same puzzle as 1000’s of other folks.

  80. 80.

    MomSense

    May 7, 2023 at 2:44 pm

    @MomSense:

    Gunman was a security guard

  81. 81.

    West of the Rockies

    May 7, 2023 at 2:45 pm

    @JoyceH:

    I don’t believe so.

  82. 82.

    StringOnAStick

    May 7, 2023 at 2:48 pm

    @Geminid: Thanks for posting that news about the wind power and transmission project.  The future is dc current for transmission for several reasons!

  83. 83.

    Elizabelle

    May 7, 2023 at 3:02 pm

    @Kristine: Steeplejack found this one.  Word Master. https://octokatherine.github.io/word-master/

    You can play multiple games in a row.

  84. 84.

    Sure Lurkalot

    May 7, 2023 at 3:10 pm

    @oldgold:

    The public disclosure process out of Allen, Texas  seems abnormally slow and opaque. Last night the new conferences were remarkably vague and the news today is meager. What is going on?

    When I perused the online front pages of WAPO and NYT early this morning, the latest gun massacre wasn’t the main story…basically “below the fold”. Lack of info or daily event? Who knows?

    As for the NYT, turn off JavaScript and you can download all the recipes you want from Cooking. Alternatively, if you have an online library account, many libraries have an app that you can read major newspapers on. Denver Public Library has NYT, WAPO, WST, LA Times.

  85. 85.

    karen marie

    May 7, 2023 at 3:24 pm

    @Elizabelle: It amazes me that people who gush about her being a mom ignore that she became a mom in an effort to avoid prison.

  86. 86.

    Steeplejack

    May 7, 2023 at 3:25 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot:

    This thread has a lot of detail on what a fiasco the news conference was, as well as the official response in general.

    They knew for SIX hours that seven ppl were dead at the scene. And waited until 10 pm to give any info at all, then no questions. This is not public service. It’s CYA.
    https://t.co/yE3iNppViV

    — Bill Carter (@wjcarter) May 7, 2023

  87. 87.

    karen marie

    May 7, 2023 at 3:26 pm

    @NotMax: I switched to Squareword.

  88. 88.

    West of the Rockies

    May 7, 2023 at 3:31 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot:

    WP now saying he was a neo-Nazi with a Latino name.  The right wingers will make hay on the name.  Damn immigrants!

  89. 89.

    JaySinWA

    May 7, 2023 at 3:32 pm

    @James E Powell:  Our local library has the ability to give you a day pass to the NYT recipes and another for puzzles

    Or what @Sure Lurkalot: said

  90. 90.

    Baud

    May 7, 2023 at 3:32 pm

    @West of the Rockies:

    The shooter was Ted Cruz?

  91. 91.

    Geminid

    May 7, 2023 at 3:33 pm

    @StringOnAStick: Siemens Energy helps build a lot of HVDC transmission lines in North America and Europe. I think they started in this area by connecting North Sea wind farms with central and southern Germany.

    Now they are working on a 1000 mile line that will link Ethiopia and Kenya. It is sponsored by the World Bank. Siemens’ press release describes the project including technology whose functions I could only guess at, “such as connector valves with light triggered thyristors.”

  92. 92.

    oatler

    May 7, 2023 at 3:33 pm

    @Baud:

    What does a yellow light mean?

  93. 93.

    Elizabelle

    May 7, 2023 at 3:34 pm

    @karen marie: pump out those babies now, cuz she is going to have a disruption in her marital life coming up.  I don’t recall whether she has one or two offspring, but how exclusive a club they join. Children of the formerly incarcerated, white-collar crimers.

  94. 94.

    JoyceH

    May 7, 2023 at 3:36 pm

    @West of the Rockies: ​
     

    On CNN they were saying that authorities knew this guy’s identity within an hour, and that it’s ‘becoming more difficult to see a security reason’ for the slowness of info. My immediate though cynical thought – ‘they’re protecting the gun.’

  95. 95.

    Elizabelle

    May 7, 2023 at 3:41 pm

    @JoyceH:   at this point, they are absolutely protecting the gun. After the Louisville shootings, the police were quoted as saying, the shooter used a rifle. A rifle. They did not say assault rifle. After the Mexican guy who shot up his neighbors house: it was a .223.  Got that? They didn’t want to say it was like an A.R. 15. I regret that we don’t have cops and police chiefs as smart as those from the 1980s. Who did not want assault weapons on the street. I guess they can’t protect the citizens, so they’re redirecting their efforts to protect the guns.

  96. 96.

    JoyceH

    May 7, 2023 at 3:43 pm

    @Elizabelle: I’m starting to think nothing’s going to happen until we start acting like Frenchmen whose retirement age has been raised.

  97. 97.

    Elizabelle

    May 7, 2023 at 3:43 pm

    I have just remembered that the mass shooting took place in Cleveland, Texas.  There have been so many, I could not immediately remember where that guy murdered his neighbors. In their own home. I do note that Governor Abbott issued an immediate statement of concern for those who died at the shopping mall. Unlike for the family members killed by, the neighbor that the police could not be bothered to do anything about.

  98. 98.

    Elizabelle

    May 7, 2023 at 3:44 pm

    @JoyceH: it is a definite quality of life issue. I think we need to shame the ammosexuals. It worked with smoking. It worked with drunk driving. This is a societal ill that takes an even heavier toll.

  99. 99.

    Gin & Tonic

    May 7, 2023 at 3:46 pm

    Headline I’m seeing now on Apple News: 7 dead after pedestrian crash in Brownsville, Texas.

    I used to think walking was generally safe. Oh, seems they forgot to mention a car was the cause. A car rammed into people waiting at a bus stop, I guess. You’d never get that from the headline.

  100. 100.

    raven

    May 7, 2023 at 3:47 pm

     
    A driver plowed into a group outside a shelter that had been housing migrants in a Texas border town on Sunday, leaving seven people dead – including several immigrants – and others injured, authorities say.
    Authorities in Brownsville, Texas say they got a call around 8:30 am CT about a Land Rover that hit multiple people who were waiting at a bus stop across the street from the Bishop Enrique San Pedro Ozanam Center, a non-profit homeless shelter that has been helping house migrants.

  101. 101.

    NotMax

    May 7, 2023 at 3:52 pm

    @oatler

    (curt whisper) Slow down!
    :)

  102. 102.

    Kristine

    May 7, 2023 at 3:53 pm

    @raven: A Land Rover?

    Definitely a case of economic insecurity.

  103. 103.

    topclimber

    May 7, 2023 at 4:09 pm

    @JoyceH: Magnifique!

  104. 104.

    MazeDancer

    May 7, 2023 at 4:10 pm

    Gun man in Allen, TX may have been a neo Nazi. Gift link to WaPo article

  105. 105.

    Immanentize

    May 7, 2023 at 4:14 pm

    @raven: a fuckin land rover.

    Say no more.

  106. 106.

    Immanentize

    May 7, 2023 at 4:17 pm

    @MazeDancer: maybe the police should care a little bit more about guys sporting “RWDS” patches and a little less about protesters saying “ACAB.”

    Just a random thought….

  107. 107.

    eclare

    May 7, 2023 at 4:25 pm

    @Immanentize:

    RWDS?

  108. 108.

    Sister Golden Bear

    May 7, 2023 at 4:26 pm

    And…. the shooter at the Texas mall who killed at least eight people may have been a neo-Nazi and/or white supremacist.

    Authorities have not released a motive, but a patch on his chest said “RWDS,” an acronym that stands for Right Wing Death Squad, according to people familiar with the investigation. The phrase is popular among right wing extremists, neo-Nazis and white supremacists, they said. In addition to the weapons found on his body, investigators found another five guns inside his car nearby, these people said.

    The shooter was Latino, but experts who monitor extremism say some Latinos and Hispanics find bigoted groups attractive as white nationalism becomes more mainstream

    extremist groups exploit the fear of changing demographics in communities and economic pressure, which can attract conservative Latinos and Hispanics.

    “Many Latinos in the United States identify as white, not with their indigenous or Afro roots. And many of them, because of their conservative politics, believe that the white nationalist movement aligns with their values,” Ward said.

  109. 109.

    Ksmiami

    May 7, 2023 at 4:28 pm

    @JoyceH: locking the gop Congress in a room without air conditioning in DC in the middle of August. Leave them with one water bottle and 7 ARs with 2 bullets…

  110. 110.

    O. Felix Culpa

    May 7, 2023 at 4:29 pm

    @Immanentize: Yes, and maybe, just maybe we might want to do something about the easy availability of “AR-15 style” weapons.

  111. 111.

    Ksmiami

    May 7, 2023 at 4:29 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Biden should send in the army to TX it’s become a lawless state.

  112. 112.

    Immanentize

    May 7, 2023 at 4:36 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    you mean “rifles?”

    “.223s?” Both new euphemisms for AR style death machines.

    The police and politicians are now protecting the gun instead of their neighbors.

  113. 113.

    Immanentize

    May 7, 2023 at 4:38 pm

    @eclare: see Golden Bear at 108?

    RWDS = “Right Wing Death Squad.”

  114. 114.

    NotMax

    May 7, 2023 at 4:40 pm

    @Immanentize

    Good to see your nym. Folks were asking about you only the other day since you’ve been scarce around these parts of late.

    Things hunky-dory, I hope.

  115. 115.

    eclare

    May 7, 2023 at 4:41 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Saw that, thanks!

  116. 116.

    NotMax

    May 7, 2023 at 4:43 pm

    @Immanentize

    Or, in fluent SS, Totenkopf.

  117. 117.

    RSA

    May 7, 2023 at 4:44 pm

    @Citizen Alan:  I genuinely believe as a matter of religious faith that we should have confiscatory tax rates simply because wealth above a certain level makes people turn evil while also giving them greater power to do evil things.

    Plausible.  I think most of us assume that people are roughly rational actors, in an economic sense, because we have to earn a living. We want to take care of our families, live a comfortable life, etc., which means we’ll aim to earn enough money to do that. But what motivates someone to earn more money than he or she could spend in several lifetimes? To become a millionaire a hundred times over, or a billionaire? Honestly, I don’t know. I further don’t believe that they necessarily have the same motivations that the rest of us do, in part because wanting to be that rich after you already have more than enough is stereotypically associated with moral failings (e.g. some of the seven deadly sins—envy, greed, gluttony, maybe also pride and sloth.)

  118. 118.

    Immanentize

    May 7, 2023 at 4:48 pm

    @NotMax: things are hunky, but we are still waiting for dorey. I’m glad my nym has not been completely forgotten….

    End of the semester has been crazy and rough. Con Law is so hard to teach these days without complete cynicism and disgust. Now I have about 280 exams to grade in a month. I’ve been trying to line up some work on the NY place (tree removal, new heating system? roof?).  Immp is coming home next week for a few days, so I am very happy about that.

  119. 119.

    O. Felix Culpa

    May 7, 2023 at 4:49 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Yes, those innocuous things. I see that Gov. Abbot (spit!) wants us to stop the shootings by “coming together as neighbors again.” Because the death-dealing death cult objects must be protected at literally all costs.

  120. 120.

    Immanentize

    May 7, 2023 at 4:50 pm

    @NotMax: you reminded me of that little bit of German military history. What’s amazing to me is that the Russians are now completely the ideological heirs of the Nazis, down to their grim military symbols.

  121. 121.

    O. Felix Culpa

    May 7, 2023 at 4:53 pm

    @Immanentize: Have a wonderful time with the Immp! Has he graduated? The grading sounds like no fun at all, so I’m glad you have some Immp time to look forward to.

  122. 122.

    Immanentize

    May 7, 2023 at 4:58 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: One more year for the Immp! He had to take off what would have been his freshman year for his surgery. He is a young man in a hurry, however, and said he could have graduated this year, but he would only have received a BA in CS instead of the BS in CSEngineering. And he would have had to have passed up his second major….

    I told him that in three years he is not going to once think “oh, I wish I had finished college sooner.”

  123. 123.

    opiejeanne

    May 7, 2023 at 5:01 pm

    @James E Powell: The FTFNYT has an article about how Jack Smith might have, MIGHT HAVE, blown the investigation of Trump by being so thorough.

    I hate them.

  124. 124.

    O. Felix Culpa

    May 7, 2023 at 5:01 pm

    @Immanentize: You are a Wise Father, whether the young man in a hurry recognizes it now or not. I’m glad he took the extra time for his studies.

  125. 125.

    Jackie

    May 7, 2023 at 5:07 pm

    @oldgold: Today’s WaPo said the shooter used an AR-style weapon and may have had ties to right-wing supremacies – nothing the TX GQP is in any hurry to announce.

    “The gunman who opened fire on an outlet mall in a Dallas suburb Saturday, killing at least eight people, was a man in his early 30s who may have had white supremacist or neo-Nazi beliefs, people familiar with the investigation said Sunday.”

    ”Mauricio Garcia, a local resident, had multiple weapons on him and in his nearby car, said people familiar with the investigation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing probe.”

    “Authorities have not released a motive, but a patch on his chest said “RWDS,” an acronym that stands for Right Wing Death Squad, according to people familiar with the investigation. The phrase is popular among right wing extremists, neo-Nazis and white supremacists, they said. In addition to the weapons found on his body, investigators found another five guns inside his car nearby, these people said.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/05/07/texas-allen-outlets-shooting-dallas/

  126. 126.

    Immanentize

    May 7, 2023 at 5:08 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: thank you, but…. He now is thinking: “I can get my BS in CSE, my BA in philosophy and knock back nearly a semester of a Masters in CSE.

    “Slow Down, you move too fast;
    Gotta make the morning last.”

  127. 127.

    Jackie

    May 7, 2023 at 5:10 pm

    @MomSense: No, the shooter wasn’t a security guard. But a security guard was one of the victims.

  128. 128.

    James E Powell

    May 7, 2023 at 5:12 pm

    @oatler:

    One of my favorite scenes in the history of television.

  129. 129.

    scav

    May 7, 2023 at 5:12 pm

    @Jackie: Oh dear!  Has the holy Abbott just linked mental illness with white nationalism — and identified it as a long term problem that must be addressed?  Unpossible.

  130. 130.

    O. Felix Culpa

    May 7, 2023 at 5:14 pm

    @Immanentize: Love the groovy song reference. Most of us were in a hurry at that age, I think. It’s wonderful that he cares about learning and thinking. The kid is all right.

  131. 131.

    Jackie

    May 7, 2023 at 5:16 pm

    @scav: It IS umpossible. Abbott would have to confess to being mentally ill.

  132. 132.

    George

    May 7, 2023 at 5:19 pm

    @Kay: ​Wealth is not the driving force behind Holmes. Psychopathy is. The money she hoped for was secondary to the joy she got from causing pain.​

  133. 133.

    Immanentize

    May 7, 2023 at 5:20 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: The kid is alright. Most of the kids are.

    He’s got both sides of his brain going — full tilt, it seems. Like I said, young man in a hurry. But I guess with good cause.

    PS 59th Street Bridge Song,
    Feelin’ Groovy

  134. 134.

    Jackie

    May 7, 2023 at 5:21 pm

    I see President Biden has once again ordered American flags be lowered to half staff re the Allen, TX shooting. At the rate mass shootings/killings are happening, the flags should remain there. 😢

  135. 135.

    catclub

    May 7, 2023 at 5:25 pm

    @Brachiator: ​
     

    when he was an unknown political figure shaking up the GOP, instead of a former president with a political record.

    Given that when he was president he signed a clean debt ceiling raiser. I wonder if he is actually more likely to not demand we kill the hostage than other GOP leaders, right now.

  136. 136.

    catclub

    May 7, 2023 at 5:30 pm

    @James E Powell: ​
     

    I will never forgive them for their hysterical “How dare you say that?” response to Hillary Clinton pointing out that Trump’s racist & misogynist followers were deplorable.

    Trump may not be a racist or a nazi, but it sure is funny that all the racists and nazis like him a lot.

  137. 137.

    skerry

    May 7, 2023 at 5:31 pm

    @MomSense: So, a good guy with a gun – until he wasn’t

  138. 138.

    catclub

    May 7, 2023 at 5:33 pm

    @cope: ​
     I hope they ask him about the debt ceiling raises when he was president.

  139. 139.

    MazeDancer

    May 7, 2023 at 5:34 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear: Enrique Tarrio, soon to be in jail, is an example  of a fame hungry Afro-Cubano man happy to front for white nationalists.

    Every time I see his picture I think: That is so not a white man. Why is he doing their evil?

  140. 140.

    catclub

    May 7, 2023 at 5:36 pm

    @George: ​
     

    ​Wealth is not the driving force behind Holmes. Psychopathy is. The money she hoped for was secondary to the joy she got from causing pain.​

    huh?
    I don’t see that. She ran a variation on a ponzi scheme and had to keep escalating the lies. she started out with a simple premise ‘There oughta be a way to test a single drop of blood for lots of things.’ Then when she promised to make one, things got out of hand.

  141. 141.

    MomSense

    May 7, 2023 at 5:42 pm

    @Jackie:

    CNN is reporting that the shooter had arms training for his job as a commissioned private security officer.

  142. 142.

    catclub

    May 7, 2023 at 5:43 pm

    @Brachiator: ​
     

    but she was defeated by actual science.

    she convinced a LOT of very powerful men that she was on to something. None of them were blood scientists. Generals, physicists, etc conned by a pretty girl.

  143. 143.

    JWR

    May 7, 2023 at 5:49 pm

    They just don’t get it. But I’m sure they’ll hold his feet to the fire, amiright? (From CNBC)

    “He should be,” Zaslav said Friday on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” when he was asked about having Trump on for the town hall. “He’s the Republican frontrunner. He has to be on.”

    CNN is opting for a live town hall rather than a taped interview with Trump that could then be fact checked before airing. That would be a safer way to proceed, but the live town hall is likely to bring higher ratings to CNN, which has been hemorrhaging viewers amid programming changes.

    […]

    The CNN Town Hall will be hosted by Kaitlan Collins, who co-anchors CNN’s new morning show. Collins served as CNN’s chief White House correspondent during the Trump administration.

    “We have divided government. We need to hear both voices,” Zaslav said on CNBC Friday. “Republicans are on air on CNN, and Democrats are on air on CNN. All voices should be heard on CNN.”

  144. 144.

    cain

    May 7, 2023 at 5:49 pm

    @Ksmiami: ​
     
    Those assholes would just use the guns to shoot the water bottle.

  145. 145.

    cain

    May 7, 2023 at 5:56 pm

    @JWR: ​
     
    🙄🙄🙄

  146. 146.

    WaterGirl

    May 7, 2023 at 5:59 pm

    @MomSense: Oh, it’s definitely going to be a sham, with the hall filled with sycophants.  Or should I say psycho-phants?

  147. 147.

    WaterGirl

    May 7, 2023 at 6:02 pm

    @Kristine: ooh, I haven’t seen that one before.

  148. 148.

    WaterGirl

    May 7, 2023 at 6:10 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: @raven: @Immanentize:

    Total accident!  He, umm, accidentally hit the gas instead of the brake?  Yeah, that’s it.

  149. 149.

    WaterGirl

    May 7, 2023 at 6:14 pm

    @Jackie: We need billboards that say:

    0 days since the last mass shooting.

    We need them everywhere.

  150. 150.

    Glidwrith

    May 7, 2023 at 6:18 pm

    @Jackie: Seen somewhere on Twitter: “To be American is to have a flag lowered and not know which shooting it is for.”

  151. 151.

    Kirk

    May 7, 2023 at 6:18 pm

    @Citizen Alan: I agree with the confiscatory portion, but I don’t think it makes people turn evil.

    Money is a lever, and having a lot of it lets already evil people — or more often people being people — have a lot more impact.

    otoh, “[T]he love of money is the root of all evil…”

  152. 152.

    WaterGirl

    May 7, 2023 at 6:21 pm

    @karen marie: I don’t understand how to play that, and their instructions suck.

    Can you explain it?  I would be most grateful.  It looks interesting.

    edit: okay, i finally figured it out by trial and error.

  153. 153.

    JWR

    May 7, 2023 at 6:28 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    After the Louisville shootings, the police were quoted as saying, the shooter used a rifle. A rifle. They did not say assault rifle.

    Or “long gun”, which I’d always thought was a shotgun, a .22 varmint gun, or a musket. It was quite a while before I heard any mention of “assault rifle”.

  154. 154.

    lowtechcyclist

    May 7, 2023 at 7:50 pm

    @catclub:

    She ran a variation on a ponzi scheme and had to keep escalating the lies. she started out with a simple premise ‘There oughta be a way to test a single drop of blood for lots of things.’ Then when she promised to make one, things got out of hand.

    What I never get is, how these people running Ponzi schemes never know when to take the money and run.

  155. 155.

    Jackie

    May 7, 2023 at 7:58 pm

    @MomSense: I saw that later. MSNBC hasn’t mentioned it as of yet. But he (the shooter) did kill a mall security guard.

    Apparently the Allen police don’t plan to give an update today and there hasn’t been any word on when they’ll schedule a next update.😡

  156. 156.

    James E Powell

    May 7, 2023 at 8:40 pm

    @Jackie:

    Their main goal appears to be protecting the governor from unkind press coverage.

  157. 157.

    O. Felix Culpa

    May 7, 2023 at 9:49 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Their main goal appears to be protecting the governor from unkind truthful press coverage.

    FIFY.

  158. 158.

    Chris T.

    May 7, 2023 at 10:35 pm

    @Geminid:

    High voltage, direct current power lines cost more than overhead lines but create less public resistance because they run underground.

    They can run underground or overhead. See the photos of the Pacific DC Intertie on Wikipedia for instance. They’re better for extreme-distance (e.g., 1000 miles or more) lines though due to reduced radiated loss, plus the conversion back to AC at the end can use different phasing if desired (e.g., DC interties could connect the eastern, western, and/or ERCOT grids).

  159. 159.

    Chris T.

    May 7, 2023 at 10:48 pm

    @Geminid:

    Siemens’ press release describes the project including technology whose functions I could only guess at, “such as connector valves with light triggered thyristors.”

    That’s part of the conversion hardware (DC to AC and vice versa). A thyristor is like a pair of transistors glued back to back, except that instead of one PNP and one NPN they can share junctions, so it’s more efficient use of materials. Each three-way junction functions as a transistor (or “valve”) of sorts but they’re used more as  a binary off/on switch with variable threshold.

    Again, wikipedia has good basic info…

  160. 160.

    Chris T.

    May 7, 2023 at 11:02 pm

    @Glidwrith:

    Seen somewhere on Twitter: “To be American is to have a flag lowered and not know which shooting it is for.”

    Perhaps we can have the national nightly news give us two numbers for each day: “57 killed in 7 mass shootings today, 35 killed in 5 mass shootings yesterday” and so on. We won’t know which shooting(s) are the reason for today’s half-mast, but we’ll at least know how many.

  161. 161.

    Geminid

    May 7, 2023 at 11:07 pm

    @Chris T.: Thanks! Now when I go to my friend Joan’s garden party next week and someone brings up clean energy, I can nod sagely and comment, “Well you know, ya gotta have those connector valves with light triggered thyristors,” and not worry as much about being caught out..

    More seriously, I noticed that a Siemens project to transmit electricity from western Iowa wind farms to Illinois will run underground HVDC lines along a railroad right of way for most of the distance. A new overhead line would have sparked ample resistance from communities along its path, but this one sailed through the permitting process.

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