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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Long Island Man Faces Time In The Barrel

Long Island Man Faces Time In The Barrel

by Tom Levenson|  May 9, 202310:19 pm| 94 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Republican Venality, Grifters Gonna Grift

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This has not been a slow news day:

US Representative George Santos, who faced outrage and mockery over a litany of fabrications about his heritage, education and professional pedigree, has been charged with federal criminal offenses, two people familiar with the matter told The Associated Press.

Long Island Man Faces Time In The Barre
Bemberg Fondation Toulouse – Le Charlatan – Pietro Longhi – Inv 1029

I hear that Barely Speaker McCarthy has walked back his pledge to get Santos’ resignation if he were charged. The goal posts have moved to being found guilty. Gotta keep that yawning mandate fed, as it were.

The indictments are under seal, so we don’t know yet exactly what sins the Feds believe they can nail down beyond a reasonable doubt.  But no doubt Santos, who, though not a lawyer, trained with Clarence Darrow, can handle  his defense with a brio and skill no one has previously encountered.

This thread is as open as a Best Buy on Black Friday.

Image: Pietro Longhi, The Mountebank, 1757

 

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  1. 1.

    dmsilev

    May 9, 2023 at 10:23 pm

    I hear that Barely Speaker McCarthy has walked back his pledge to get Santos’ resignation if he were charged. The goal posts have moved to being found guilty. Gotta keep that yawning mandate fed, as it were.

    It’s not like McCarthy has much of a choice in the matter. His caucus will knife him in the back, or in the front even, given half an excuse. A better person would accept that and do something worthwhile, but a better person would never be a GOP Rep, and especially not one who aspires to (nominal) leadership.

  2. 2.

    Baud

    May 9, 2023 at 10:25 pm

    Does anyone know why it would be sealed?

  3. 3.

    Tom Levenson

    May 9, 2023 at 10:26 pm

    @Baud: No walruses available?

  4. 4.

    steppy

    May 9, 2023 at 10:28 pm

    So the charges are still under seal. I am sure the charges are very interesting and that Squeaker McCarthy will provide the absolute minimum support like words. The thugs will be happy to throw him overboard.

  5. 5.

    BellyCat

    May 9, 2023 at 10:28 pm

    The truth must be far worse for than the (known) lies.

  6. 6.

    different-church-lady

    May 9, 2023 at 10:32 pm

    Wait, lying about everything in every circumstance is illegal now?

  7. 7.

    Scout211

    May 9, 2023 at 10:35 pm

    @Baud: Other people involved in the crimes, not yet charged, from other countries *cough* Russia *cough* ? Maybe . . .

    Remember this?

    Rep. George Santos (R-NY) long claimed a former Donald Trump associate—and cash handler for a notorious Russian oligarch—was just a businessman who donated to his campaign. But, as with most things involving Santos, things were not what they seemed.

    Santos’ relationship with Andrew Intrater, a businessman who donated thousands of dollars to Santos’ campaign committee and those linked to him, now appears to have extended to his work with Harbor City Capital, an investment firm federal investigators labeled a Ponzi scheme. Far from jut a guy who donated to Santos’ campaign, Intrater also had a substantial business relationship with Santos, according to a court filing obtained by The Washington Post, putting hundreds of thousands of dollars into Harbor City Capital.

  8. 8.

    Maxim

    May 9, 2023 at 10:35 pm

    Various forms of election fundraising fraud, would be my guess, but we’ll see.

    ETA @Scout211: And maybe money laundering, also too.

  9. 9.

    Cameron

    May 9, 2023 at 10:36 pm

    @Tom Levenson: Probably not eggmen, either.

  10. 10.

    dibert dogbert

    May 9, 2023 at 10:38 pm

    Santos clerked for judge Clarance.!!!!!!!!

  11. 11.

    Maxim

    May 9, 2023 at 10:41 pm

    @Cameron: But surely we can locate some semolina pilchard.

  12. 12.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    May 9, 2023 at 10:41 pm

    @Scout211: I’m surprised grifters never name their scheme “Ponzi Capital” as it’s easier to get away with crime when it occurs in plain sight.

  13. 13.

    eclare

    May 9, 2023 at 10:44 pm

    “Today was a good day” – O’Shea Jackson Sr. AKA Ice Cube

  14. 14.

    Ken

    May 9, 2023 at 10:47 pm

    Damn. I saw “Long Island man” and thought “Does that mean a real-estate developer from Queens?” Well, still time for that.

  15. 15.

    Redshift

    May 9, 2023 at 10:48 pm

    @Baud:

    Does anyone know why it would be sealed?

    It could be just until he appears in court to be charged and plead. That’s not uncommon, I think.

  16. 16.

    eclare

    May 9, 2023 at 10:48 pm

    @Scout211:

    I’m going to need a board with all of the pushpins with strings, like Carrie had in Homeland, to keep track of all of these connections.  But as Nancy said, they all lead back to Moscow.

  17. 17.

    different-church-lady

    May 9, 2023 at 10:48 pm

    I shall now attempt to eat one candy fruit slice, rather than all sixteen in the package.

    [FIVE SECONDS ELAPSE]

    Shit.

  18. 18.

    SFAW

    May 9, 2023 at 10:50 pm

    The goal posts have moved to being found guilty.

    That’s today. If/when he’s found guilty, it will become “found guilty by real Americans, i.e., only people who voted for TFG two or more times.”

  19. 19.

    eclare

    May 9, 2023 at 10:51 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Hahaha…I have a bag of white chocolate truffles for that experiment.

  20. 20.

    Lyrebird

    May 9, 2023 at 10:51 pm

    @Ken: ​
    My mind went for that same hopeful interpretation​
     

    ETA: Not sure wheter anyone else would see things this way, but the bribery charges against the already known to be odious Judge Thomas are such a slap in the face to all the mid-level gummint employees who carefully declare or just turn down gifts left and right. Some of the DARPA people I have done work for? Nothing over $25, no gift watches, no $50 bottles of wine, forget that two months’ pay stuff we were seeing in GT’s hands, … I am not saying, oh poor them. I am just disgusted.

  21. 21.

    different-church-lady

    May 9, 2023 at 10:51 pm

    @SFAW: “…only if he switches parties.”

  22. 22.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 9, 2023 at 10:52 pm

    This thread is as open as a Best Buy on Black Friday.

    :: snort ::

  23. 23.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 9, 2023 at 10:54 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Yeah, I did that with dark chocolate ginger biscuits not very many minutes ago.

    ETA: Red wine may or may not have been involved in that decision-making.

  24. 24.

    Ken

    May 9, 2023 at 10:55 pm

    @SFAW: Followed by “Money-laundering and FEC reporting fraud are just process crimes, get back to me when a real crime is involved.”

    (Which will undoubtedly be followed, because Qevin is Qursed, by an aide rushing into the conference and whispering into his ear, after which the only audible part of Qevin’s reaction is “under his patio….”)

  25. 25.

    dmsilev

    May 9, 2023 at 10:56 pm

    @different-church-lady: Don’t worry; if he’s convicted, the Fox News chyron writers will change his party affiliation.

  26. 26.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 9, 2023 at 10:57 pm

    @Tom Levenson:

    Narwhals or go home.

  27. 27.

    eclare

    May 9, 2023 at 10:58 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Ooh, dark chocolate ginger biscuits?  Brand please!

  28. 28.

    Redshift

    May 9, 2023 at 11:00 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    I shall now attempt to eat one candy fruit slice, rather than all sixteen in the package.

    I exercised extreme willpower and did not buy the bag of tortilla chips I was really craving at Costco tonight, because I would have eaten the entire Costco-sized bag over the next three or four days, max.

  29. 29.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 9, 2023 at 11:01 pm

    @eclare:

    Borders. Imported from England. I get them in the International section at Publix. They’re pricey and worth every penny.

  30. 30.

    schrodingers_cat

    May 9, 2023 at 11:01 pm

    Rescue kitteh is sleeping soundly in a chair in the bedroom!

  31. 31.

    eclare

    May 9, 2023 at 11:03 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Thanks!  I’ll look on-line.

    How many come in a package? Amazon doesn’t say.

  32. 32.

    eclare

    May 9, 2023 at 11:03 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Progress!

  33. 33.

    TriassicSands

    May 9, 2023 at 11:04 pm

    Squeaker McCarthy, a man of intellect and the highest moral and ethical standards, must support Santos because he is innocent until proven guilty. Which is precisely why Squeaker McCarthy will continue to support and vote for Donald Trump.

    Wait, what?

    In defense of McCarthy (laughter), since he has already sold his soul to get enough votes to be named Squeaker, um, Speaker, he really can’t afford to do anything that would diminish his massive vote total. Besides, McCarthy undoubtedly admires Santos, who is, after all, just like McCarthy himself. With absolutely no qualifications both men managed to be elected to positions for which they are completely unqualified. Both are hanging by a thread. Just two peas in a pod.

  34. 34.

    Yutsano

    May 9, 2023 at 11:06 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: ​ Yay!

  35. 35.

    different-church-lady

    May 9, 2023 at 11:07 pm

    @Ken: “…if it’s murder in the first degree…”

  36. 36.

    different-church-lady

    May 9, 2023 at 11:07 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: ​
      Wait, you get to make a decision?

  37. 37.

    Danielx

    May 9, 2023 at 11:10 pm

    Cannot get more open than that.

  38. 38.

    cain

    May 9, 2023 at 11:11 pm

    @dmsilev: good ! Lull them into a false sense of security. Because they think they still have the same number of republicans in the House.

  39. 39.

    karen marie

    May 9, 2023 at 11:11 pm

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:   Well, there was Fraud Guarantee, owned and operated by Individual-1 supporter and friend of Giuliani, Lev Parnas.

  40. 40.

    Jackie

    May 9, 2023 at 11:12 pm

    All the news today! I ran out of popcorn 🍿 and when I went to the store to replenish, the shelves were empty!

  41. 41.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 9, 2023 at 11:15 pm

    @eclare:

    Yes, that’s why they’re pricey. Only nine cookies to a package. But they are rich, so it’s (usually) (sometimes) (okay, not so much when accompanied by red wine) pretty easy to limit intake.

    I did order once from Amazon. Big mistake  They shipped from the U.K. so took a long time.  When they did arrive, neither Amazon nor the shipper notified me. They were left in the mailbox for 24 hours in a hot Atlanta summer. Tasted okay, but an awful mess what with all that melted chocolate. So if you have an outdoor mailbox, just be sure you monitor delivery and get them inside quickly!

  42. 42.

    SiubhanDuinne

    May 9, 2023 at 11:17 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Yeah, it’s a deal I strike with myself whenever I brandish a corkscrew.

  43. 43.

    Jackie

    May 9, 2023 at 11:18 pm

    @Baud: When TFG was indicted, the charges were sealed until he was actually under arrest at the courthouse.

    So I’m guessing it’s a Republican thing😉🤔

  44. 44.

    cain

    May 9, 2023 at 11:19 pm

    @TriassicSands:

    The man deserves where he is at. The fact that his life is 24/7 hemorrhoidal pain makes me happy.

  45. 45.

    eclare

    May 9, 2023 at 11:20 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Oh, thanks for the advice regarding Amazon.  I’ll check some stores here, but I doubt any will have them.

  46. 46.

    sab

    May 9, 2023 at 11:20 pm

    @eclare: I opened the basement window today and my kitty sniffed actual outdoor air for the first time since his rescue. At first he was horrified (outside?!) Now he is sleeping on the window ledge.

  47. 47.

    NotMax

    May 9, 2023 at 11:21 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne

    Let’s go Brandish!
    :)

  48. 48.

    jonas

    May 9, 2023 at 11:21 pm

    Other NY GOP pols were desperate to be done with this guy months ago. Having him hang out for the remainder of the year during — checks notes — the indictment, the booking, the posting of bond, the setting of court dates, the trial, the penalty phase. Oh, man. It’s going to be a long, hot summer down in Queens.

    For Republicans.

  49. 49.

    eclare

    May 9, 2023 at 11:23 pm

    @sab:

    Sweet!  Which kitty is this?

  50. 50.

    Benw

    May 9, 2023 at 11:24 pm

    @eclare:

    “Today was a good day” – O’Shea Jackson Sr. AKA Ice Cube

    The good day: https://murkavenue.tumblr.com/post/16553509655/i-found-ice-cubes-good-day

  51. 51.

    Fake Irishman

    May 9, 2023 at 11:25 pm

    @different-church-lady

    I have just conducted the same pantomime, but with two blueberry hand pies….

  52. 52.

    jonas

    May 9, 2023 at 11:27 pm

    The goal posts have moved to being found guilty.

    Then it’s going to be “Well, found guilty of something *really* serious”. I mean “fraud?” What does that even mean? Sounds like something woke, pointy-headed lawyers made up to silence conservatives about how money freely solicited from God-fearing citizens can be spent, or something.

  53. 53.

    NotMax

    May 9, 2023 at 11:29 pm

    @jonas

    Only a tiny slice of Queens. The district mostly covers about half of Nassau county.

  54. 54.

    eclare

    May 9, 2023 at 11:31 pm

    @Benw:

    Thanks!  So cool that someone figured it out.

  55. 55.

    sab

    May 9, 2023 at 11:37 pm

    @eclare: Dobby, formerly our Demon Dobby.

  56. 56.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 9, 2023 at 11:37 pm

    This thread is as open as a Best Buy on Black Friday.

    You heard the man!  Time to trample each other like greedy assholes!

  57. 57.

    Benw

    May 9, 2023 at 11:38 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Awesome. Will be sleeping soundly on your head in a matter of days!

  58. 58.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 9, 2023 at 11:39 pm

    @different-church-lady: Bury me in cherry slices!

  59. 59.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 9, 2023 at 11:41 pm

    Steve Hofstetter bitchslapping George Fraudos

  60. 60.

    Dan B

    May 9, 2023 at 11:42 pm

    @Baud:  There’s well informed speculation that at least two more GOP pols are named in addition to the Russian.  The Feds want to get them charged and don’t want them to know.  Plus there may be other Russians that could get spooked.

  61. 61.

    NotMax

    May 9, 2023 at 11:43 pm

    @mrmoshpotato

    Oooh. Kinky.
    ;)

  62. 62.

    CaseyL

    May 9, 2023 at 11:55 pm

    @Dan B: Oooh.  Please please please let one of them be Stefanik!

  63. 63.

    sab

    May 9, 2023 at 11:56 pm

    @sab: He usually is asleep on my pillow by now. Instead he is asleep on the basement window edge.

    Five years ago we took him to the vet (he wasn’t ours then)  because he was so skinny. She said he wouldn’t make it. Take him home and feed him deli food. He was full grown and weighed two pounds. Now he is a normal cat, although a bit klutzy. Ten plus pounds.

  64. 64.

    eclare

    May 9, 2023 at 11:58 pm

    @sab:

    Wow!  What a story!

  65. 65.

    Dan B

    May 10, 2023 at 12:03 am

    @CaseyL:  Her name has been repeatedly brought up – top two slot.

  66. 66.

    sab

    May 10, 2023 at 12:08 am

    @sab: He still loves deli turkey slices.

  67. 67.

    Eolirin

    May 10, 2023 at 12:15 am

    If Santos was out, would McCarthy have had the votes to pass the joke of a debt ceiling bill they moved? I feel like the margin was a single vote.

    I can’t remember how our special election laws work in NY, but Hochul might appoint a replacement if he’s forced out, at least for a little while. That could completely blow up McCarthy’s ability to do literally anything.

  68. 68.

    Jackie

    May 10, 2023 at 12:15 am

    Quote of the year from the WaPo:

    “In private, Trump has dismissed Carroll as “Ms. Bergdorf,” referring to the Bergdorf Goodman department store where she said Trump attacked her. Trump also said he would not have assaulted her because she was too old — and that if he had, it would not have been in a department store dressing room but at one of his own properties.”

  69. 69.

    Bupalos

    May 10, 2023 at 12:17 am

    Was this “time in the barrel” idiom anything more than a cultural memory before that nasty little dude with the Nixon Trampstamp resurrected it?

  70. 70.

    eclare

    May 10, 2023 at 12:18 am

    @Jackie:

    Holy shit!  His attorneys must hate him, I can’t believe he still has any.

    ETA>  OK that wasn’t in the deposition, but still.

  71. 71.

    Jackie

    May 10, 2023 at 12:19 am

    @Eolirin: I think it’s through a special election – which will be almost guaranteed to be won by a Democrat. Which McStupid is fully aware.

  72. 72.

    Bupalos

    May 10, 2023 at 12:19 am

    @Eolirin: I vaguely think it was one of those things where they figure out how many votes they need and then “release”  the rest. So I think it was by 1, but if you subtract 1, it would still be by 1.

  73. 73.

    Jackie

    May 10, 2023 at 12:22 am

    @eclare: I’m amazed they’re not all bald from tearing their hair out.

  74. 74.

    prostratedragon

    May 10, 2023 at 12:24 am

    Awakened by a seal.

  75. 75.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 10, 2023 at 12:29 am

    @prostratedragon: Slap that seal with an octopus!

  76. 76.

    eclare

    May 10, 2023 at 12:30 am

    @prostratedragon:

    That was cute!

  77. 77.

    mrmoshpotato

    May 10, 2023 at 12:39 am

    @eclare: LOL!

  78. 78.

    Frankensteinbeck

    May 10, 2023 at 12:51 am

    @Jackie:

    Trump is a level of misogynist where he just can’t believe anyone cares if a woman consents.  He knows he’s being accused of something, but denying it reads to him as denying how virile he is, not denying he committed a crime.  He wants to make sure you know that he would and could do it.  His ego demands it.

    EDIT – It’s exactly like the ‘perfect’ transcript.  He couldn’t grasp that extorting a foreign government to help himself politically was bad, either.  He was showing off what an awesome and strong deal maker he is.  It’s right there on the page, look!

  79. 79.

    Yutsano

    May 10, 2023 at 12:55 am

    FYWP. Tried to do a thing and it fucked everything up.

  80. 80.

    eclare

    May 10, 2023 at 12:57 am

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Good observation.  IIRC Ivana claimed in a divorce deposition that he raped her.  In the 2016 campaign she said that wasn’t what she meant.

  81. 81.

    AlaskaReader

    May 10, 2023 at 12:59 am

    Now do Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.), Rep. Andrew Ogles (R-Tenn.),

    …and then you could likely work through every single Republican in or out of office.

  82. 82.

    Yutsano

    May 10, 2023 at 1:02 am

    @Dan B: Incidentally, did you get my e-mail good sir?

     

    @prostratedragon: even better: that’s a sea lion*!

    *How you can tell: sea lions have little flaps on their ears. Seals 🦭 don’t.

  83. 83.

    Amir Khalid

    May 10, 2023 at 1:05 am

    How does Kevin McCarthy put up with everyone in Congress pointing and laughing at that big yellow streak running down his back?

  84. 84.

    eclare

    May 10, 2023 at 1:08 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    Also, how does he walk upright as an invertebrate?

  85. 85.

    JoyceH

    May 10, 2023 at 1:09 am

    Over on Twitter I saw (and then couldn’t find again later) a tweet from someone who claimed to know what Santos was going to be charged for. Said he didn’t know the exact statutes, but listed the activities that were involved. I can’t remember the whole list, campaign finance and whatnot, but what struck me, and I do hope that it’s true, was that in addition to the campaign finance, they’re also charging the seedy little pet fundraising scam. What’s nice about that is the impact it will have on a jury. Campaign finance violations, whatever the dollar amount, come across as abstract and antiseptic. But remember the fundraising scam and the impact of that – Santos stole money that people donated to get a veteran’s dog a lifesaving operation – AND THE DOG DIED. Man, they’ll throw him UNDER the jail!

  86. 86.

    Jackie

    May 10, 2023 at 1:14 am

    @Frankensteinbeck: Exactly. The entire article is revealing.

    Btw, there’s a callout to boycott tomorrow night’s CNN’s town hall with TFG. Let’s do our part and make the ratings tank for CNN during that hour. TFG televised air time needs to have minimal viewership every time it’s announced he’ll be interviewed.

  87. 87.

    JWR

    May 10, 2023 at 1:21 am

    @Jackie:

    Trump also said he would not have assaulted her because she was too old

    Methinks he’s seeing her today, not as she looked when he attacked her. You know, when she was his “type”.

  88. 88.

    eclare

    May 10, 2023 at 1:46 am

    @Jackie:

    There is no way in hell I am watching the town hall.  I don’t even watch CNN anymore.  Still check the website occasionally, but that’s it.

  89. 89.

    prostratedragon

    May 10, 2023 at 1:48 am

    @Yutsano:  Aha. Never knew they were different.

  90. 90.

    Fair Economist

    May 10, 2023 at 2:36 am

    @different-church-lady:

    I shall now attempt to eat one candy fruit slice, rather than all sixteen in the package.

    [FIVE SECONDS ELAPSE]

    You just can’t buy things like that. It’s hopeless.

  91. 91.

    Dan B

    May 10, 2023 at 3:38 am

    @Yutsano:  No email.  I’ve emailed watergirl.  I’ll keep looking.

  92. 92.

    Doug

    May 10, 2023 at 3:47 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: Here comes a narwhal!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4QSYx4wVQg

  93. 93.

    lowtechcyclist

    May 10, 2023 at 4:59 am

    @Ken:

    Damn. I saw “Long Island man” and thought “Does that mean a real-estate developer from Queens?” Well, still time for that.

    And I was hoping they’d finally gotten around to charging the guy who choked Jordan Neely to death on the subway.

  94. 94.

    ETtheLibrarian

    May 10, 2023 at 6:24 am

    Lest we forget,  he did file papers to run for reelection.

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