Thanks to rikyrah for bringing this to our attention.
In connection with next week’s Oath Keeper sentencings, the govt filed victim impact statements by MPD ofc Chris Owens & USCP ofc Harry Dunn. On J6 Owens was on the other side of a push toward the Senate chamber led by OK Jessica Watkins …
/1— Roger Parloff (@rparloff) May 11, 2023
Below is the full letter from Harry Dunn, which speaks for itself. Officer Dunn deserves to be heard.
(In a later post I will share the full letter from MPD Office Chris Owens.)
Letter from Harry Dunn (USCP Officer)
May 4, 2023
The Hon. Amit P. Mehta
U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia
E. Barrett Prettyman Courthouse 333 Constitution Ave.
N.W. Washington, DC 20001Your Honor, thank you for the opportunity to express my deep gratitude to this Court and the members of the jury who rightfully found these defendants guilty for their role in the Capitol insurrection on January, 6, 2021. As one of the U.S. Capitol Police officers who stood his ground that day, who protected our legislative members and our democratic institutions, I am profoundly grateful that, in this case, justice has been done.
I stand here today as a victim of the defendants’ actions on January 6. But my pain didn’t end on that day. Because I have told the truth about what happened, I have had to install security cameras around my home. I live in constant fear for my daughter, my loved ones, and myself. My dad feels it’s necessary to tell me to be careful every time we talk on the phone. “Keep your head on a swivel,” he says. When I am out attempting to live a regular life, whether that be at a restaurant, at the mall, or even at work, I am always hyper-vigilant about my surroundings. I have been a police officer for 15 years, so I have always paid attention to my surroundings, but now it’s different. Instead of worrying and paying attention for the well-being of others, I now worry about my own safety and well-being. Whenever I see someone in cargo pants or anything that looks remotely close to tactical gear, I wonder if they were a part of the insurrection. I get anxious, I start to clinch my teeth, I notice a rise in my heart rate, and I look for the closest place to retreat to for peace of mind . Of course, at my workplace – the U.S. Capitol – there is no such place to which I can retreat. Because of the defendants’ actions on January 6, every day at work in the Capitol building evokes in me the feeling that I am at a never-ending crime scene, rather than the citadel of American democracy.
fAs I walk through the halls of Congress every day, I’m reminded of terrible things that I saw, that I experienced, or that one of my fellow officers told me happened in the place we are standing in. I used to enjoy coming to work each day, proud to be a police officer. But the defendants ripped that all away from me. I now dread going to work each day, and when I am there I count down the hours, the minutes, and the seconds until I can leave. A few of my fellow officers have told me they avoid certain parts of the U.S. Capitol because they never want to see that place again, often referring to a specific location in the building where they have a memory of the attack that day. When I see congressional staff members who were present in the Capitol during the attack, they tell me their stories from that day. It’s like I can never stop reliving the horrors of January 6 in my head.
On the day I testified, I had been scheduled to speak to first responders on the effects of traumatic experiences. Instead of talking to real oath keepers, real victims, instead of helping those Americans who put their lives on the line every day, I had to come to the courthouse and tell the jury what actually happened on January 6. I had to reopen those wounds because the defendants, and those who supported and encouraged their actions, refused to take responsibility.
People often ask me if I have flashbacks from that day and, honestly, I tell them no — it’s not a flashback — it’s more like the nightmare of January 6 replaying on a constant loop which never stops. I have continued to require therapy for the emotional injuries I suffered as a result of January 6, and my therapist tells me what I am experiencing is called PTSD, along with anxiety attacks. But I continue to seek therapy to learn how to heal from January 6. It has taken such a toll on me. I’ve gone from being an extroverted person to an introverted, depressed shell of my former self.
The relationships in my life have also suffered. I’ve pushed people who care about me away. I avoid seeing loved ones because I know all they will want to do is ask me how I am doing. Friends worry about me because the activities I used to love, I don’t really have the desire to do anymore. And if I do muster up the energy, it’s just going through the motions.
Why? Why is any of this necessary? Why am I still dealing with threats against my life and the lives of my loved ones for simply doing my job on January 6? Why am I and my fellow officers still called liars and traitors? Why must I suffer almost two and a half years later? While I will always live with the mental scars of January 6, I find a measure of relief in the jury’s guilty verdict: relief that my fellow officers and I did not suffer in vain; relief that what I was protecting on January 6 was worth defending; and relief that, in the end, our American system of justice prevailed and thus Court will administer accountability. Thank you for your consideration, Your Honor.
Respectfully submitted, /s/ Harry Dunn
Anyone who thinks those nice tourists on Jan 6 were just speaking their minds, anyone who denies that Jan 6 was actually an insurrection will surely burn in hell. Just like for the parents of Sandy Hook, each lie about that day cuts deeper and deeper.
I wish you peace, Harry Dunn, and I hope that one day you will have it.
laura
Officer Dunn speaks a powerful and sobering truth.
rikyrah
They were DOMESTIC TERRORISTS.
and, of everything they did that day…..
The image of them just leaving and not being forced into paddywagons and buses…will never leave me.
The entire incident. It was treason against this country. How did they get into the Capitol without getting shot. How did they not have the National Guard come out and shoot them. At the very least, arrest them.
The simple sentence of
” What if they were Black?”
Yeah. I know the answer to it. But, it will always still bother me.
WaterGirl
Someone posted this in an earlier thread. Shame on Anderson Cooper for his part in the whitewash of the Trump CNN Nazi rally.
Chief Oshkosh
How is it that at least two Senators and several Representatives who were openly supportive of the insurrection are not only still in Congress, but are never even questioned about their culpability? How is it the NOTHING ever happened to them? And never will?
Chief Oshkosh
@WaterGirl: Anderson’s new moniker is “Silo Boy” – well-deserved. Total lack of self-awareness.
WaterGirl
Speaking of pieces of shit, this thread reader rollup from twitter from @BrynnTannehill destroys the thin layer of the great whitewashing of the Trump CNN Nazi Rally, too.
WaterGirl
@Chief Oshkosh: Do you have a secret spy at the DOJ? Or in Jack Smith’s office? Or perhaps you are omniscient?
Otherwise, you are declaring as facts things that are not facts… things that you cannot know.
WaterGirl
@Chief Oshkosh: Well-deserved
Alison Rose
These assholes are always about “back the blue” until the blue doesn’t take their side and then they don’t give a fuck.
WaterGirl
@Alison Rose: It’s not just that they don’t give a fuck; when that happens, they are seen as the enemy.
mrmoshpotato
@Alison Rose:
That shit was always about rooting for police to harass/beat up/kill black and brown people.
I hope this OathTrash get locked up for a long time.
Jay
WaterGirl
@Jay: Can you add some context for that?
piratedan
@Chief Oshkosh: we’ve been told/asked/’splained to that the wheels of justice grind surprisingly slow and coupled with the painful reality that the wheel turns more slowly for those in power is an apparent truth as well.
Part of our ongoing pain is that the arsonists are still in the building, scouting for weaknesses from their last attempt instead of being in jail, sans bail awaiting trial. Another complication is that these motherfuckers are spread throughout the system, aiding and abetting thru the simple acts of ignoring what they wish, losing this paperwork, shelving inconvenient evidence etc etc etc. Experience in Democratic politics and policies leans against tinfoil hat conspiracies and more of a herding cats issue, whereas the experience of dealing with the other side turns us into conspiracy theorists because as we learn more, that’s what it sure as hell appears to be, if not collusion, then those sympathetic to the cause who are not ashamed and revolted by what was done pushing back against that turning wheel.
Ksmiami
@rikyrah: they should have all been arrested on the spot, the most violent shot then and there…
WaterGirl
@Ksmiami: Please stop promoting outright violence and annihilation like that.
sdhays
@Ksmiami: Yeah, but when the supporting law enforcement is compromised and not coming (or coming super late), either because some people are worried what their orders will be or because they’re worried they’ll stop things too soon, I understand why they weren’t.
ETA: Didn’t read closely enough – I was responding to the first part, not the shooting part. I don’t support law enforcement shooting people.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Loose lips sink ships.
The Moar You Know
@Ksmiami: you are so tediously predictable.
Jay
@WaterGirl:
loose lips sink ships.
Jay
@Omnes Omnibus:
I hate you for being frist.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@WaterGirl: @The Moar You Know:
I find some commentors really, really love pie and other baked goods!
Lyrebird
Rightly so.
I have a similar hard time seeing any picture of Kyle Rittenhouse’s face. I don’t wish him dead, I wish Mr. Fred Hampton alive playing with his grandkids. Breyonna Taylor…
Going to give my all to Team Biden Harris and not stand in the way of those who speak the truth.
Chief Oshkosh
@WaterGirl: “The race is not always to the swift nor the battle to the strong, but that’s the way to bet.”
Ruckus
@WaterGirl:
On January 6th they were the enemy.
We theoretically live in democracy, the elected representatives are supposed to think, discuss, vote and live with the results of the majority.
Even if they think it’s wrong.
Just like all of us.
Those assholes that attacked our congress, that assaulted those who represent us, in theory they assaulted every last one of us that lives in this country because they attacked our country.
They are traitors to all of us, to our history, to our country and to themselves.
I took an oath to protect this country when I enlisted in the military. To give my life if necessary to protect this country. The war I served during saw over 58,220 men and women who did give their lives and another 153,303 wounded, some of whom I see at the VA, some without arms or legs, and I have spoken to a few who lost things that can’t be replaced.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jay: Get in line.
sdhays
Fuck. Twitter…just fucking die already. Please?
People are just so awful.
rikyrah
WHATEVER we have to do, we have to keep Biden/Harris in Office.
The GOP is full of fascist traitors to this country.
Democracy vs. Fascism
That is the choice for 2024
Jay
@Omnes Omnibus:
my tag say’s #272
the led sign say’s “now serving #12”
geg6
Someone should tattoo that letter on the eyelids of Anderson Cooper and Chris Licht so that maybe, just maybe, they’ll remember why they are pieces of shit and should aspire to better. Officer Harry Dunn is a great American who will go down in history. Cooper and Licht, if they are remembered at all, will be remembered with the contempt they so richly deserve.
Chief Oshkosh
@sdhays: I agree in general, but was this due to entries from a recent thread, maybe the Roger Parloff tweet that opens the post? Because, yes, there are some responses to that tweet from the Q-crowd that really make me want to reach through the computer screen, stretch along the intertoobes, and throttle some of the respondents. But then, I guess that’s all part of the business model.
Roger Moore
@Alison Rose:
They only care about police officers as abstract concepts that can be used in political arguments. “Back the blue” means to back their idealized concept of what police officers ought to be, not any actual individual officer. Of course this same basic idea applies far beyond backing the blue. It’s also behind supporting the troops, protecting children, and saving the unborn. The most important part is to say the slogan and back the abstract concept; helping actual human beings is unnecessary.
Chief Oshkosh
@rikyrah: To mix metaphors, you are hitting the nail right on the head right out of the park.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Ah, thank you.
WaterGirl
@Jay: Hate is such a strong word. :-)
WaterGirl
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: In spite of all the time I put into finding images for the pie filter, I don’t actually pie anyone. But I am very fond of some of the images!
But I do skip over some people. :-)
rikyrah
Hodding Carter III, State Department spokesman during Iran hostage crisis, dies at 88
By Associated Press Staff
Associated Press
•
May 12, 2023 at 2:40 pm
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. — Hodding Carter III, a Mississippi journalist and civil rights activist who as U.S. State Department spokesman informed Americans about the Iran hostage crisis and later won awards for his televised documentaries, has died. He was 88.
His daughter, Catherine Carter Sullivan, confirmed that he died Thursday in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, where he taught leadership and public policy.
Carter “never missed an opportunity to speak truth to power in North Carolina, in the south and around the globe,” wrote his department chair, Daniel P. Gitterman.
Before moving to Washington in 1977, Carter was editor and publisher of his family’s newspaper, the Delta Democrat-Times, in Greenville, Mississippi.
Carter had been co-chair of the Loyalist Democrats, a racially diverse group that won a credentials fight at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago, unseating the all-white delegation by Mississippi’s governor, John Bell Williams.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-hodding-carter-obit-20230512-htfobnujtraqvkpn6ln2k4erea-story.html
Sure Lurkalot
@WaterGirl: Speaking of pieces of shit, part infinity, our former US A.G. (apologies for the all caps, it’s a CSpan transcript):
This was yet another interview where this pathetic POS spouted how Trump is an ineffectual narcissist incapable of accomplishing “his agenda” (but would still vote for him “if” he’s the nominee).
Gin & Tonic
Speaking of letters, to those of you who have a few spare minutes, it would be appreciated if you could contact your Senators and your Representative to express continuing support for Ukraine:
WaterGirl
It’s a slow news Friday. Alison Gill on twitter was speculating that the lack of Jack Smith related news this week could mean that he could be busy making charging decisions. I’ll assign a 10% possibility of to that statement.
I do wonder if at some point you choose to leave some threads un-pulled in order to achieve some sort of closure. With some roads not travelled. Or at least not travelled right now.
If you’re a writer, at some point you have to stop editing. If you’re an artist, at some point you have to declare your piece “done”.
Maybe at some point you identify some threads that will just have to wait until later? That’s a question for our attorneys?
WaterGirl
Unrelated, I have called Dick Durbin’s office several last week and this week, and I can never get through. “High call volume.” If that’s really true, then maybe Durbin is getting an earful from some other people that want to point out that the Senate is not the collegial body it used to be, and it’s time to pull the gloves off.
Omnes Omnibus
@Roger Moore: Same with Support our Troops, schools, and anything else that requires actually caring about anyone who is not a multimillionaire seeking a tax cut.
Roger Moore
@Ksmiami:
Yeah, just like Trump should be in prison right now. It would be great if it were possible, but it wasn’t. The police didn’t have the force to do it, and they didn’t have enough paddy wagons and jail cells to hold them all if they had. Instead, we have been tracking them down and arresting and prosecuting them after the fact. Yeah, it’s not as dramatic and pleasing as it would have been to arrest them all on the spot, but they are being arrested, prosecuted, convicted, and sent to prison.
Jay
@Gin & Tonic:
Bakhmut still stands. Both my MLA and MP stand with Ukraine.
WaterGirl
@Sure Lurkalot: My visceral reaction to reading that.
I might have lit it on fire if it has been on paper.
Scout211
There’s some grade A prime ass-covering right there.
WaterGirl
@Gin & Tonic: When I manage to get Durbin on the phone, I will do that.
I will have to look up Nikki B’s contact information and do the same. Now that fucking Rodney Davis has been taken off the board…
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@WaterGirl:
Narrator: And nothing of value was lost
ETA: The most rage-inducing thing that man has said to date was blatantly lying about how checks & balances work by saying each branch has to police itself
Sure Lurkalot
@WaterGirl: I’m nonviolent but I do wish Mr. Dunn And Mr. Barr could have “some words” about what Mr. Barr thinks January 6th was.
Maybe then Mr. Barr wouldn’t be so facile with his racist, revisionist bullshit.
Geminid
@WaterGirl: Did you know there was a General Pie? I discovered him when I was looking up a General Allen, who was credited with introducing honeybees to Arizona Territory.
John Bracket Allen was born in Maine, but joined prospectors searching for gold near Yuma in the 1850s. When that didn’t work out, Allen set up as a baker in Tuscon, selling pies made with dried apples for a dollar a pie. Allen was so successful he was able to start several general stores, but the nickname “Pie Allen” stuck with him.
Allen was later Treasurer for the Territory, and after that he was Adjutant General. That’s when people started calling him “General Pie.”
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Sure Lurkalot:
What Barr said minimizes the real trauma suffered by those like Dunn present as well as the actual danger posed by Trump’s mob. Romney came very close to coming face to face with potentially violent rioters
Joy in FL
@Gin & Tonic: Thanks for posting this. I copy/pasted it so I could refer to it. I will contact my senators Rubio and Scott and my Rep Bilirakis.
Ksmiami
@Ruckus: I do not understand the deferential to the very same domestic terrorists who would destroy us all. On January 6th, they almost achieved their aims. They need to be defeated, not danced around.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
A funny Tumblr post I saw today. Donald haz a sad!
WaterGirl
@Geminid: Fun story.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Sure Lurkalot:
It was graffiti on a courthouse which was promptly removed with a pressure washer 🤣
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Geminid:
Geez a whole dollar?! That was a lot of money in the 19th century. Those must have been good pies
Ruckus
@Sure Lurkalot:
The only thing Barr doesn’t like is that SFB is a useless tool, who spins everything in the world around the pole up his ass, which makes it pretty impossible to make the country as shitty as Barr wants it to be because SFB is so impressed with his own self that he has not one concept of actually fucking up the world properly, and his ego (which is taller than SFB tower) and his “skills,” which are non existent as can be seen by anyone old enough not to suck their own thumb, which is why SFB is too shitty a tool to useful to anyone for anything, hence the useless tool line, which Barr should at least be able to understand, if he wasn’t such a tool as well.
cckids
Not to me – it was his straight-up revision of the Mueller report’s conclusions. That was so far past a lie it was in it’s own galaxy, and the consequences were enormous.
bbleh
Just for context, I’ll observe that MORE THAN ONE THOUSAND of the Jan. 6 rioters have been prosecuted, and as of a few months ago, about half of them had been sentenced, of which a little over 10% were sent to prison. That is a HUGE undertaking, and it’s a significant fraction of the people who did things other than stand there and hoot and holler. And more recently it has included some of the real leaders, who have been convicted of very serious crimes indeed, and when you take out the leadership you do far more damage to a movement than just putting a few people away.
And all that without just mowing them down, as many of them no doubt would do to others.
The wheels of justice, etc.
Geminid
@WaterGirl: I’m not sure is there is a photo of Pie One Allen. One would be a good addition to the pie filter images, for when someone wanted to emphatically pie a commenter..
sdhays
No, something much worse and far more disturbing. There’s a post about it on Lawyers, Guns, & Money. No link, it pertains to extreme animal cruelty, and I’m going to stop right there.
Just fuck Twitter and Elon Musk.
bbleh
@sdhays: yes and let us speak of it no more. Really.
Baud
@sdhays:
Thank you. Animals are my soft spot.
Geminid
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I think the pies were a luxury. The new residents got tired of beef and beans, and wanted a treat.
Ruckus
@Ksmiami:
English is not your first language is it? Or your second or third.
Or possibly you have never read the US constitution or the various bills of rights or have any understanding of constitutional law, federal criminal law or state and local laws.
Because if you had done any of the above and did it when not stoned out of your gourd, you wouldn’t make such asinine comments.
Be gone with you, you constantly make me tired and wishing I hadn’t quit drinking alcohol decades ago.
sdhays
Some unreservedly good news, from the Supreme Court no less!
Unanimous Supreme Court gives woman from Guatemala new chance to fight deportation:
Unanimous decision written by Justice Ketanji-Brown. Gives one hope regarding the anti-trans legislation coming out of the meth-labs of democracy.
Omnes Omnibus
@Ksmiami: Violent authoritarianism is as unacceptable from the left as it is from the right.
Jackie
@bbleh: 👍🏻
eversor
Elon promoted a post of a “will it blend” with a kitten.
I’m not squeamish and have had live sushi and other food items that would cause freakouts with people (When in Korea…) but there was no point in this mess. It wasn’t just blendering a live kitten. Which is a step to far even those of us that will wolf down a live octopus on travel.
What kicked off the freakout is he, twitter, same shit, fucking promoted it. So your daily social media diet started with a “wait this can’t be real, holy shit what is wrong people” moment and terrified the shit out of a lot of kids.
He’s trying to defend it but this doesn’t fall into the same land as wolfing down live sea creatures. This crosses the line of kicking puppies into box fans for shits and giggles. People are fucking pissed. It’s put this fucker on a 5150 hold level idiocy and why he thinks this is funny is beyond me.
sdhays
New thread, please!
evodevo
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Well, if it was a mining community, he had a captive customer base…there were usually very few women or cooks, and the miners were eating beans and salt pork. I’d pay $20 for a pie myself….
JPL
@eversor:
WTF The guy needs help.
prostratedragon
Surprised or maybe amazed that it was unanimous. Excellent news.
NotMax
Nauseating but true.
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: It’s been his real campaign slogan since 2015.
Geminid
@evodevo: Besides miners, there were soldiers stationed in Tuscon at the time, and cowboys coming in off the range with pay to spend.
“Pie” Allen had to buy flour, shortening and dried apples for his pies. I guess he soaked the dried apples, and might have added sugar and cinnamon too. His biggest capital expense was an oven.
UncleEbeneezer
Me too, buddy. Honestly, I will never understand rural, white people (especially men) and their obsession with ugly, drab, green, grey, brown clothing. Even putting camo aside, everything else they wear, still looks like that. I realize it’s a cultural signifier but still. Every time we visit a Red State/region I can’t wait to get back to LA just to see people wearing some color. I’ve told me wife that if she ever sees me start wearing that shit all the time that it’s time to seek help or a divorce attorney.
Jay
Jay
@UncleEbeneezer:
I wear Carharts and a baseball cap. Pants are for work, baseball cap, (no logo, not a trucker cap, well, cancer).
I deal with “the cringe” by wearing masks and eye smiles, and just not being an asshole.
AWOL
@WaterGirl: He’d look great with a pink star, no?
zhena gogolia
@rikyrah: Amen.
All else is trivia.
eversor
@UncleEbeneezer:
Meh I like cargo shorts and I’ll stand by them. They work. I’d be the guy with the 5pm stubble, red skater shirt, cargo pants, nike shoes, oakleys, and skater hat. The winter “uniform” is jeans, nice boots, leather jacket, black polo shirt, no cap.
Once you get the building badge you’re in, what you wear doesn’t count after a certain level!
zhena gogolia
@bbleh: Good comment.
MomSense
I’m really sick of the constant griping and complaining about Merrick Garland and the DOJ. From everything that we have seen so far, they appear to be methodically and carefully prosecuting the January 6 insurrectionists and planners. They will continue to work up the chain collecting evidence and building their cases as they go. Will we get everything we want? Nope. Will they follow the law as they prosecute these cases? Yes. We have to resist the temptation to become the lawless anti democratic assholes that we hate. Justice may not be satisfying but it is our only way out of this mess that keeps us a democracy.
The most important thing we can do as citizens is vote. Because there is so much money and so many horrible people in power we have to do more than vote. We have to keep doing what we do so well -organizing, and supporting the people and organizations that are also working to save our democracy.
It’s interesting to opine on what DOJ is or isn’t doing, but try not to get attached. Even if every asshole is prosecuted and convicted we are still in for the fight of our lives in the 2024 election and all the local and state elections.
It’s ok to let go of what you can’t control and focus on what you can do.
Jay
WaterGirl
@AWOL: Not sure I get the reference?
zhena gogolia
@MomSense: Thanks.
zhena gogolia
@WaterGirl: It’s what the Nazis made gay people wear.
Wolvesvalley
@WaterGirl: @zhena gogolia: Wasn’t it a pink triangle?
thruppence
@UncleEbeneezer: I wear black cargo pants at work, six different pockets for six different kinds of things. Off work, I now have all these pants so I keep wearing them. Lots of colorful shirts, though.
Roger Moore
@zhena gogolia:
It was actually a pink triangle, not a pink star, but yes, that’s the reference.
RSA
@WaterGirl: That was excellent, thanks. I especially liked the postscript.
My admiration for Fred Rogers has increased with each year of my age.
Dopey-o
We had a friend – a genius really – who got sober but was an a**hole. Common wisdom was “That guy really needs a drink!”
it was a recovering alcoholic who said (and meant) that.
Bill Arnold
@Sure Lurkalot:
Until Grassley can believably explain (under oath would be good) why he very clearly stated the Pence would not be tallying the electoral college vote, and Pence believably explains why he would not get into the Secret Service car, it will be reasonable to strongly suspect that the Capital invasion was part of a soft coup involving, in one branch of the plan, having Grassley rejecting some electoral college votes or sending them back to the states, enabled by removal of Pence from the scene, temporarily (with permanently a possibility that they would not cry about if it became real).
Thread:
Threadreader version (all three tweets):
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1346473050078777356.html (January 5, 2021)
brantl
@WaterGirl: If they had been black, or Antifa, you wouldn’t have been able to find dry ground for hundreds of feet, for the blood spilled from the people who’d been shot.
WaterGirl
@AWOL: @zhena gogolia: I did not remember about the pink star. But did we NOT LEARN ANYTHING from that time? Is trans the new gay in the new authoritarianism version 3?
brantl
@WaterGirl: I think he’s saying that when a rioter pounds on a policeman’s head with a hockey stick, the cop’s entitled to shoot him. This seems fair, unless you want to arm cops with hockey sticks?
WaterGirl
@Dopey-o: Is that what they call a dry drunk?
WaterGirl
@brantl: Quite possibly that would have changed the whole dynamic. Which is awful.
Ruckus
@Dopey-o:
I didn’t drink a lot it was just that I liked whiskey on the rocks and was at the time on the road a lot, 8-9 months a year so sat in restaurants a lot waiting for a table and sometimes having a drink or having one bought for me. So rather than become a drunk down the road I quit. Just stopped one day in leu of enjoying it too much and not from wanting to get to the level of too much. It wasn’t even at all difficult to stop. That was about 25 yrs ago. Haven’t missed it at all.
Soprano2
@eversor: I have that asshole blocked, and shit like that is why. What a fucking gross thing to post about.