My dad is the family’s genealogist. It has been his retirement hobby. Through one line of the family, there are several Mayflower direct ancestors. The rest of the family got run out of Europe in 1848 or later as we were either heretics or radicals. When facing the new Florida law, people like me and my family need to say “I decline to answer”
DeSantis is mandating that FL hospitals that take Medicaid ask everyone about their immigration status.
Many immigrants already refuse to go to the ER when they really really need to because of fear of ICE or public charge. This makes things worsehttps://t.co/6kXQmh8P2J
— Ben D’Avanzo (@BenDAvanzo) May 12, 2023
Immigration status is not relevant for treatment in an emergency room. It is not needed. It is a barrier to care. Adding truthful non-answers from people who have nothing to fear from answering honestly to the database gives a slight bit of protection to people who need it. This is the same reason why I use Signal to send a text message to my wife to ask if the kids want pizza tonight. It is innocuous but it makes the targeting problem of anyone who truly needs to use encrypted end to end communications modestly harder.
WaterGirl
You have to be pretty evil to wake up every morning trying to think of ways to make other people’s lives harder, and to encourage other people to do the same. What a vile and disgusting creature.
tokyokie
Discouraging people with infectious diseases from seeking medical care. What could possibly go wrong?
twbrandt
Republicans continue to give me every reason not to vote for republicans.
scav
TX and FL do seem to be in a competition over how best to kill, maim or injure as many of their inhabitants as possible. TX may be slightly closer to issuing actual hunting permits as a step beyond their stand any ground communal approach to gun play.
twbrandt
DeSantis also posted this little gem on twitter.
I’m not linking to it, this link is to a post George Takei posted on mastodon with a screenshot.
scav
@twbrandt: Ah, so FL IS in the hunting license competition. Odd his obsession with throwing his weight around in other states.
Anyway
They don’t say it out loud but there’s a part of the GQP that wants to send troops in to cities to round up undocumented residents and deport them.
Anyway
Are doctor’s/ ERs compelled to follow everything the governor signs? They should sue and refuse to ask the q. Or fill in some bogus answer.
Gin & Tonic
@twbrandt: Willing to bet a large sum that DeSantis has never set foot in the subway.
schrodingers_cat
Conservatives POV is that life is a zero sum game. In this worldview if the status quo changes and becomes more equitable, they lose. That’s why they hate immigrants or any other marginalized group being treated well.
OT good news
BJP suffers a resounding defeat in Karnataka (home of India’s IT hub, Bengaluru.
I like this illustration!
Villago Delenda Est
Cruelty is the point.
Queen of Lurkers
@schrodingers_cat: Yes, the Karnataka results were great to wake up to. Was better than the text I got from a friend with preliminary results before I went to bed last night.
scav
And yea! the good Samaritan did set upon the wounded traveller and, gathering him a choke hold, crushed the very life from that inconvenient body for inconveniencing with ritual defilement the other passers by.
Another Scott
IANAL, but this immigration status information would seem to be protected by HIPAA (7 page .pdf).
Ronda Santis and his RWNJ backers are probably hoping that DoJ and HHS will file a lawsuit and he’ll get to play American Victim Fighting for America Against Tyranny from Demorats on Fox and in the Amarillo federal court.
As you say, they have no need to know.
tl;dr – HIPAA says you have no right to that information, so I will not provide it.
Grr…,
Scott.
Scout211
Yes. And in other news from Texas, Texas woman killed by boyfriend after she got an abortion, police say
So retribution for getting an abortion is now a defense for murder in Texas? I just can’t. WTF?
japa21
@schrodingers_cat: Excellent news. May the elections yet to be held have similar results.
eclare
@twbrandt:
That is evil. Also I don’t remember the good Samaritan murdering someone. Guess I read the Bible wrong.
Delk
more florida
SB 1580 allows health care providers and insurance companies to deny care or reimbursement for care if it opposes their ethical beliefs.
Barbara
@Another Scott: Also a likely violation of EMTALA — asking about matters like payment or existing bills before assessing need for care can violate EMTALA.
James E Powell
@Anyway:
A part? I’d estimate it to be about 95% of Republican voters.
NotMax
in GOPland a feature, not a bug.
Another Scott
@eclare: Tangent – What gets me about the Good Samaritan story is that the Samaritans were apparently regarded as nasty people (at least according to the Bible writers).
Oh, him, he’s a Good [Racist Slur].
:-/
It’s not quite so bad in context, but it’s still pretty bad…
So, Jesus is saying pretty plainly that our neighbors are the people we are trained from a young age to dislike the most. But that’s not the lesson we usually learn about it.
Of course, it was “a certain lawyer” questioning him!!1
Hehe.
Cheers,
Scott.
Jess
@James E Powell: And according to many Holocaust deniers, that’s all poor, misunderstood Adolf was trying to do with Jews, Gypsies, gays, socialists, etc.
VOR
@WaterGirl: Conservatives accuse liberals of “virtue signaling”, of taking public stances to demonstrate good character or social conscience. They claim liberals are insincere or disingenuous. DeSantis is doing “vice signaling” – public acts of hate and authoritarianism intended to tell the GOP base that he’s not just an asshole, he’s THEIR asshole.
twbrandt
@eclare: the man is scum
scav
@Another Scott: At least that lawyer didn’t call into question the fact that binding up the wounds and paying for care was the right thing to do, even when done by someone culturally despised. Good ol’ DeSacrament has insisted that killing the man was the correct outcome and seems to have enshrined in law the passing by of the Jewish Priest and the Levite.
Still, can we pause to imagine the new religions about to be unleashed by insurance companies jealous of their bottom line?
kindness
My imagined encrypted text to the better half:
‘Yes! Pepperoni please. And don’t forget to pick up those night vision goggles that came in.’
VOR
@Another Scott: There is a powerful telling of the Good Samaritan story in the Netflix “Daredevil” show. The bad guy, Wilson Fisk aka “The Kingpin”, has finally been arrested and is in the back of a police wagon. Fisk tells the story, saying he always saw himself as the Good Samaritan. He believed his actions were for the greater good of the city. But now Fisk realizes he is the men of ill intent, who set upon the traveler on a road where he should not have been.
eclare
@Another Scott:
Never heard that, interesting!
Another Scott
@VOR: Thanks for that.
D’Onofrio is one of my favorite actors.
Cheers,
Scott.
Villago Delenda Est
@Another Scott:
Fundigelicals do not follow Jesus of Nazareth. They follow Jeebus, son of Mammon and Moloch.
Origuy
Samaritans are descended from the Israelites who were not deported to Babylon by the Assyrians. They still exist and are considered Jews by the modern state of Israel, but the rabbis on both sides require conversion. (I’m simplifying the situation.)
On another subject:
Mai Naem mobile
@Scout211: its not just that. There was a report filed against the guy a few days ago from a ‘family member’ that he had choked them and that he had beaten them up several times during their relationship and that she feared him as he had threatened her and her family. The name of the complainant hasn’t been released but its assumed it’s the woman who was killed. Anyhow, the point is if there had been some red flag laws in effect this ahole may not have had his gun. Ofcourse I am sure there will be plenty of prolifers proudly saying that the slut deserved it. Maybe they can tell that to her kids that have now lost their mother.
Geminid
There is still a small Samaritan community living in the hills of northeastern Israel and across the border in the West Bank. They number in the low thousands.
The modern Samaritains still have practices and holidays with elements similar to the Jewish ones, but also different. Not much is known about their history, but one theory is that they are remnants of the Northern Tribes that were taken away by the Assyrians(?). Later, they were missed again when the Neo-Babylonians(?) conquered Jerusalem and removed the southern Hebrews. By the time Cyrus the Persian freed the Hebrews and allowed them to return to Israel, the Samaritans had diverged enough to be regarded as a different people.
I learned about the modern Samaritans when I saw a review of a Samaritan cookbook in the Times of Israel. It was an abbreviated version of a larger cookbook, with 40-50 recipes. There were a lot of chickpea dishes.
way2blue
My immigrant status is ‘yes’. Prior generations all immigrated here at some point.
Mai Naem mobile
Florida sounds like Arizona circa 2010-2014 when the old farts in the GOP here lost their shit when Obama won the presidency. DuhShanty needs to watch the Day without a Mexican movie. I’ll guarantee you at least 20 percent of the caregiving done for all those old farts in Florida is done by undocumented folks. BTW why doesn’t he deal with the insurance issue which truly affects your average Floriduh resident way more than illegals?
Miss Bianca
@Origuy: Heh. Interesting indeed.
Wanderer
@Delk: Has this bill been passed? This makes it impossible for anyone to have any idea what may be covered. I don’t understand this (although I’m immediately aware of the cruelty involved)
Delk
@Wanderer:
Yes
gene108
@Mai Naem mobile:
I believe DeSantis enjoys doing this to people. He’s a little wannabe dictator on a power trip.
Snarki, child of Loki
How do you say
“Die in a fire, DeSantis”
in Navaho? AFAF
cmorenc
So, person comes in critically injured from an auto accident – at what point is the immigration status check required before further treatment can be given? If an obviously ethnically white person comes into the ER in critical condition without their insurance card on them – in practice, do they get a pass on the immigration question because if it turns out they have no insurance, the government will effectively pick up the tab?
Another Scott
@Origuy: Thanks for the pointer.
Updated for the modern Twitter world…
(from here, via nycsouthpaw)
Cheers,
Scott.
evodevo
@Scout211: TX and the other Red States seem to be getting close to “honor killings” – not at all surprised…
scav
@evodevo: Also to treating womens’ bodies — and their, output, shall we say, both actual and potential — as mens’ property and their due, upon command.
Currants
@schrodingers_cat:
Great illustration—thanks for sharing!
Lauren
@scav:
Florida has many fine people that didn’t vote for the current tyrant.
We are actively trying to get rid of him and all republicans.
We’ve had many fine democratic governors…
Ramona
@Another Scott: some relatives of my partner visited us and went to the Bible museum. When there, they reported getting inadvertently ‘trapped’ into watching a documentary on current day Samaritans which was intended to be a positive portrayal of them but listed things that made our visitors say, “No wonder Samaritans are hated in the area!” IIRC, misogynistic and xenophobic attitudes of contemporary Samaritans were what stood out to our mainly conservative and right leaning relatives.
Another Scott
@Ramona: Interesting. Thanks for the report.
Made me look… The-Smaritans.net:
Cheers,
Scott.
Tony G
DeSantis is obviously a repulsive piece of garbage — but he was elected and then re-elected with a high percentage of the votes. Therefore, a high percentage of the voters in Florida are also repulsive pieces of garbage. Unfortunately, the other states of the former Confederacy — and many states that were not — have the same problem.
zidane
thank you for the article