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You are here: Home / 2024 Elections / Creating chaff to separate

Creating chaff to separate

by David Anderson|  May 13, 202310:05 am| 51 Comments

This post is in: 2024 Elections, Civil Rights

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My dad is the family’s genealogist.  It has been his retirement hobby.  Through one line of the family, there are several Mayflower direct ancestors.  The rest of the family got run out of Europe in 1848 or later as we were either heretics or radicals.   When facing the new Florida law, people like me and my family need to say “I decline to answer”

DeSantis is mandating that FL hospitals that take Medicaid ask everyone about their immigration status.

Many immigrants already refuse to go to the ER when they really really need to because of fear of ICE or public charge. This makes things worsehttps://t.co/6kXQmh8P2J

— Ben D’Avanzo (@BenDAvanzo) May 12, 2023

Immigration status is not relevant for treatment in an emergency room. It is not needed. It is a barrier to care. Adding truthful non-answers from people who have nothing to fear from answering honestly to the database gives a slight bit of protection to people who need it. This is the same reason why I use Signal to send a text message to my wife to ask if the kids want pizza tonight. It is innocuous but it makes the targeting problem of anyone who truly needs to use encrypted end to end communications modestly harder.

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    1. 1.

      WaterGirl

      May 13, 2023 at 10:18 am

      You have to be pretty evil to wake up every morning trying to think of ways to make other people’s lives harder, and to encourage other people to do the same.  What a vile and disgusting creature.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      tokyokie

      May 13, 2023 at 10:20 am

      Discouraging people with infectious diseases from seeking medical care. What could possibly go wrong?

      Reply
    3. 3.

      twbrandt

      May 13, 2023 at 10:21 am

      Republicans continue to give me every reason not to vote for republicans.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      scav

      May 13, 2023 at 10:26 am

      TX and FL do seem to be in a competition over how best to kill, maim or injure as many of their inhabitants as possible.  TX may be slightly closer to issuing actual hunting permits as a step beyond their stand any ground communal approach to gun play.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      twbrandt

      May 13, 2023 at 10:33 am

      DeSantis also posted this little gem on twitter.

      We must defeat the Soros-Funded DAs, stop the Left’s pro-criminal agenda, and take back the streets for law abiding citizens. We stand with Good Samaritans like Daniel Penny. Let’s show this Marine… America’s got his back.

      Click here to Give now to Daniel Penny’s Legal Defense Fund by Raiser & Kenniff,.

      I’m not linking to it, this link is to a post George Takei posted on mastodon with a screenshot.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      scav

      May 13, 2023 at 10:39 am

      @twbrandt: Ah, so FL IS in the hunting license competition.  Odd his obsession with throwing his weight around in other states.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Anyway

      May 13, 2023 at 10:40 am

      They don’t say it out loud but there’s a part of the GQP that wants to send troops in to cities to round up undocumented residents and deport them.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Anyway

      May 13, 2023 at 10:42 am

      Are doctor’s/ ERs compelled to follow everything the governor signs? They should sue and refuse to ask the q. Or fill in some bogus answer.

      Reply
    9. 9.

      Gin & Tonic

      May 13, 2023 at 10:44 am

      @twbrandt: Willing to bet a large sum that DeSantis has never set foot in the subway.

      Reply
    10. 10.

      schrodingers_cat

      May 13, 2023 at 10:44 am

      Conservatives POV is that life is a zero sum game. In this worldview if the status quo changes and becomes more equitable, they lose. That’s why they hate immigrants or any other marginalized group being treated well.

      OT good news

      BJP suffers a resounding defeat in Karnataka (home of  India’s IT hub, Bengaluru.

      I like this illustration!

      Reply
    11. 11.

      Villago Delenda Est

      May 13, 2023 at 10:51 am

      Cruelty is the point.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      Queen of Lurkers

      May 13, 2023 at 10:55 am

      @schrodingers_cat: Yes, the Karnataka results were great to wake up to. Was better than the text I got from a friend with preliminary results before I went to bed last night.

      Reply
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      scav

      May 13, 2023 at 10:56 am

      And yea! the good Samaritan did set upon the wounded traveller and, gathering him a choke hold, crushed the very life from that inconvenient body for inconveniencing with ritual defilement the other passers by.

      Reply
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      Another Scott

      May 13, 2023 at 10:57 am

      IANAL, but this immigration status information would seem to be protected by HIPAA (7 page .pdf).

      Ronda Santis and his RWNJ backers are probably hoping that DoJ and HHS will file a lawsuit and he’ll get to play American Victim Fighting for America Against Tyranny from Demorats on Fox and in the Amarillo federal court.

      As you say, they have no need to know.

      tl;dr – HIPAA says you have no right to that information, so I will not provide it.

      Grr…,
      Scott.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      Scout211

      May 13, 2023 at 10:58 am

      @scav: TX and FL do seem to be in a competition over how best to kill, maim or injure as many of their inhabitants as possible.

      Yes.  And in other news from Texas, Texas woman killed by boyfriend after she got an abortion, police say

      So retribution for getting an abortion is now a defense for murder in Texas? I just can’t.  WTF?

      Gabriella Gonzalez, 26, was with her boyfriend, 22-year-old Harold Thompson, on Wednesday when he tried to put her in a chokehold, according to an arrest warrant affidavit. She had returned the night before from Colorado, where she had gone to get an abortion, the document stated.

      “It is believed that the suspect was the father of the child,” the affidavit said. “The suspect did not want (Gonzalez) to get an abortion.”

      Surveillance video from the parking lot shows Gonzalez “shrugs him off,” police said, and the two continue walking. Thompson then pulls out a gun and shoots Gonzalez in the head. She falls to the ground and Thompson shoots her multiple times before running away, the affidavit said.

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      japa21

      May 13, 2023 at 11:00 am

      @schrodingers_cat: Excellent news.  May the elections yet to be held have similar results.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      eclare

      May 13, 2023 at 11:01 am

      @twbrandt:

      That is evil.  Also I don’t remember the good Samaritan murdering someone.  Guess I read the Bible wrong.

      Reply
    18. 18.

      Delk

      May 13, 2023 at 11:02 am

      more florida

      SB 1580 allows health care providers and insurance companies to deny care or reimbursement for care if it opposes their ethical beliefs.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      Barbara

      May 13, 2023 at 11:03 am

      @Another Scott: ​Also a likely violation of EMTALA — asking about matters like payment or existing bills before assessing need for care can violate EMTALA.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      James E Powell

      May 13, 2023 at 11:06 am

      @Anyway:

      They don’t say it out loud but there’s a part of the GQP that wants to send troops in to cities to round up undocumented residents and deport them.

      A part? I’d estimate it to be about 95% of Republican voters.

      Reply
    21. 21.

      NotMax

      May 13, 2023 at 11:11 am

      This makes things worse

      in GOPland a feature, not a bug.

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Another Scott

      May 13, 2023 at 11:12 am

      @eclare: Tangent – What gets me about the Good Samaritan story is that the Samaritans were apparently regarded as nasty people (at least according to the Bible writers).

      Oh, him, he’s a Good [Racist Slur].

      :-/

      It’s not quite so bad in context, but it’s still pretty bad…

      Luke 10:25-37
      King James Version

      25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

      26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

      27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

      28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

      29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

      30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

      31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

      32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

      33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

      34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

      35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

      36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

      37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

      So, Jesus is saying pretty plainly that our neighbors are the people we are trained from a young age to dislike the most. But that’s not the lesson we usually learn about it.

      Of course, it was “a certain lawyer” questioning him!!1

      Hehe.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Jess

      May 13, 2023 at 11:13 am

      @James E Powell: And according to many Holocaust deniers, that’s all poor, misunderstood Adolf was trying to do with Jews, Gypsies, gays, socialists, etc.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      VOR

      May 13, 2023 at 11:18 am

      @WaterGirl: Conservatives accuse liberals of “virtue signaling”, of taking public stances to demonstrate good character or social conscience. They claim liberals are insincere or disingenuous. DeSantis is doing “vice signaling” – public acts of hate and authoritarianism intended to tell the GOP base that he’s not just an asshole, he’s THEIR asshole.

      Reply
    25. 25.

      twbrandt

      May 13, 2023 at 11:20 am

      @eclare: the man is scum

      Reply
    26. 26.

      scav

      May 13, 2023 at 11:23 am

      @Another Scott: At least that lawyer didn’t call into question the fact that binding up the wounds and paying for care was the right thing to do, even when done by someone culturally despised.  Good ol’ DeSacrament has insisted that killing the man was the correct outcome and seems to have enshrined in law the passing by of the Jewish Priest and the Levite.

      Still, can we pause to imagine the new religions about to be unleashed by insurance companies jealous of their bottom line?

      Reply
    27. 27.

      kindness

      May 13, 2023 at 11:24 am

      My imagined encrypted text to the better half:

      ‘Yes!  Pepperoni please.  And don’t forget to pick up those night vision goggles that came in.’

      Reply
    28. 28.

      VOR

      May 13, 2023 at 11:25 am

      @Another Scott: There is a powerful telling of the Good Samaritan story in the Netflix “Daredevil” show. The bad guy, Wilson Fisk aka “The Kingpin”, has finally been arrested and is in the back of a police wagon. Fisk tells the story, saying he always saw himself as the Good Samaritan. He believed his actions were for the greater good of the city. But now Fisk realizes he is the men of ill intent, who set upon the traveler on a road where he should not have been.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      eclare

      May 13, 2023 at 11:37 am

      @Another Scott:

      Never heard that, interesting!

      Reply
    30. 30.

      Another Scott

      May 13, 2023 at 11:40 am

      @VOR: Thanks for that.

      D’Onofrio is one of my favorite actors.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      Villago Delenda Est

      May 13, 2023 at 11:46 am

      @Another Scott: ​
       Fundigelicals do not follow Jesus of Nazareth. They follow Jeebus, son of Mammon and Moloch.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      Origuy

      May 13, 2023 at 11:59 am

      Samaritans are descended from the Israelites who were not deported to Babylon by the Assyrians. They still exist and are considered Jews by the modern state of Israel, but the rabbis on both sides require conversion. (I’m simplifying the situation.)

      On another subject:

      Spanish language social media has exploded with Latino truck drivers calling for a boycott and refusing to take shipments into Florida.

      Things are about to get interesting.
      — Arturo Dominguez 🇨🇺🇺🇲 (@ExtremeArturo) May 13, 2023

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Mai Naem mobile

      May 13, 2023 at 12:13 pm

      @Scout211: its not just that. There was a report filed against the guy a few days ago from a ‘family member’ that he had choked them and that he had beaten them up several times during their relationship and that she feared him as he had threatened her and her family.  The name of the complainant hasn’t been released but its assumed it’s the woman who was killed. Anyhow, the point is if there had been some red flag laws in effect this ahole may not have had his gun. Ofcourse I am sure there will be plenty of prolifers proudly saying that the slut deserved it. Maybe they can tell that to her kids that have now lost their mother.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      Geminid

      May 13, 2023 at 12:14 pm

      There is still a small Samaritan community living in the hills of northeastern Israel and across the border in the West Bank. They number in the low thousands.

      The modern Samaritains still have practices and holidays with elements similar to the Jewish ones, but also different. Not much is known about their history, but one theory is that they are remnants of the Northern Tribes that were taken away by the Assyrians(?). Later, they were missed again when the Neo-Babylonians(?) conquered Jerusalem and removed the southern Hebrews. By the time Cyrus the Persian freed the Hebrews and allowed them to return to Israel, the Samaritans had diverged enough to be regarded as a different people.

      I learned about the modern Samaritans when I saw a review of a Samaritan cookbook in the Times of Israel. It was an abbreviated version of a larger cookbook, with 40-50 recipes. There were a lot of chickpea dishes.

      Reply
    35. 35.

      way2blue

      May 13, 2023 at 12:17 pm

      My immigrant status is ‘yes’.  Prior generations all immigrated here at some point.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      Mai Naem mobile

      May 13, 2023 at 12:21 pm

      Florida sounds like Arizona circa 2010-2014 when the old farts in the GOP here lost their shit when Obama won the presidency. DuhShanty needs to watch the Day without a Mexican movie. I’ll guarantee you at least 20 percent of the caregiving done for all those old farts in Florida is done by undocumented folks. BTW why doesn’t he deal with the insurance issue which truly affects your average Floriduh resident way more than illegals?

      Reply
    37. 37.

      Miss Bianca

      May 13, 2023 at 12:23 pm

      @Origuy: Heh. Interesting indeed.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      Wanderer

      May 13, 2023 at 12:32 pm

      @Delk:  Has this bill been passed? This makes it impossible for anyone to have any idea what may be covered.   I don’t understand this (although I’m immediately aware of the cruelty involved)

      Reply
    39. 39.

      Delk

      May 13, 2023 at 12:43 pm

      @Wanderer:

       Yes

      Reply
    40. 40.

      gene108

      May 13, 2023 at 12:53 pm

      @Mai Naem mobile:

      I believe DeSantis enjoys doing this to people. He’s a little wannabe dictator on a power trip.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      Snarki, child of Loki

      May 13, 2023 at 1:21 pm

      How do you say

      “Die in a fire, DeSantis”

      in Navaho? AFAF

      Reply
    42. 42.

      cmorenc

      May 13, 2023 at 1:30 pm

      So, person comes in critically injured from an auto accident – at what point is the immigration status check required before further treatment can be given?  If an obviously ethnically white person comes into the ER in critical condition without their insurance card on them – in practice, do they get a pass on the immigration question because if it turns out they have no insurance, the government will effectively pick up the tab?

      Reply
    43. 43.

      Another Scott

      May 13, 2023 at 1:41 pm

      @Origuy: Thanks for the pointer.

      Updated for the modern Twitter world…

      (from here, via nycsouthpaw)

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      evodevo

      May 13, 2023 at 2:16 pm

      @Scout211: TX and the other Red States seem to be getting close to “honor killings” –  not at all surprised…

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    45. 45.

      scav

      May 13, 2023 at 2:24 pm

      @evodevo: Also to treating womens’ bodies — and their, output, shall we say, both actual and potential — as mens’ property and their due, upon command.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      Currants

      May 13, 2023 at 3:21 pm

      @schrodingers_cat:

       
      Great illustration—thanks for sharing!

      Reply
    47. 47.

      Lauren

      May 13, 2023 at 6:08 pm

      @scav:

      Florida has many fine people that didn’t vote for the current tyrant.

      We are actively trying to get rid of him and all republicans.

      We’ve had many fine democratic governors…

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    48. 48.

      Ramona

      May 13, 2023 at 6:08 pm

      @Another Scott: some relatives of my partner visited us and went to the Bible museum. When there, they reported getting inadvertently ‘trapped’ into watching a documentary on current day Samaritans which was intended to be a positive portrayal of them but listed things that made our visitors say, “No wonder Samaritans are hated in the area!” IIRC, misogynistic and xenophobic attitudes of contemporary Samaritans were what stood out to our mainly conservative and right leaning relatives.

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    49. 49.

      Another Scott

      May 13, 2023 at 9:01 pm

      @Ramona: Interesting.  Thanks for the report.

      Made me look… The-Smaritans.net:

      At the beginning of the first millennium love was not lost between the Jews and the Samaritans. Territorial and religious rivalries were accompanied by incursions of both parties into the others’ territories. In the time of Jesus, Jews traveling from Galilee to Jerusalem preferred to make a detour around Samaria rather than go through it. In 52 AD, a group of Jewish pilgrims were massacred by Samaritans and in retaliation Jews attacked Samaritan villages.

      […]

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      Tony G

      May 13, 2023 at 9:39 pm

      DeSantis is obviously a repulsive piece of garbage — but he was elected and then re-elected with a high percentage of the votes.  Therefore, a high percentage of the voters in Florida are also repulsive pieces of garbage.  Unfortunately, the other states of the former Confederacy — and many states that were not — have the same problem.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      zidane

      May 13, 2023 at 11:46 pm

      thank you for the article

      Reply

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