It appears that Rudy Giuliani is every bit as sick as you thought he was after link
A woman who says she worked as an off-the-books employee for Rudy Giuliani during his stint as Donald Trump’s personal lawyer alleges in court papers that the former New York City mayor coerced her into sex and owes her nearly $2 million in unpaid wages.
Noelle Dunphy said in the lawsuit that she was Giuliani’s business development director and public relations consultant from 2019 to 2021. She initially made her allegations public in January, but she detailed her claims further in a 70-page legal complaint filed Monday in New York.
Giuliani “vehemently” denied the allegations through a spokesperson. His lawyer had also previously denied that Dunphy ever worked for Giuliani.
That’s the least graphic of what he did to this woman. The lawsuit .pdf file.
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MomSense
Christ what an asshole.
mvr
Both mind-numbingly gross and totally believable that he did all that given all of the bad behavior he has shown us already. I do hope there is a lot on tape. Then his options with respect to testifying against Trump will be limited.
I don’t like it that our prisons are not safe for prisoners, but given that they’re not Giuliani has every reason to want to avoid going to one.
Wyatt Salamanca
Lawrence O’Donnell is discussing this case right now.
Rudy is America’s Scumbag and thankfully there are tapes. Hopefully, he’ll finally go down for the count.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
America’s Mayor? More like America’s Degenerate
Did he ever get paid by Trump or is he still being stiffed?
Quinerly
Hmmmm…….
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-pardons-lawsuit-b2339431.html
cliosfanboy
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
with these old farts the only thing getting stiffed is the bill.
Another Scott
There’s video, of course… (3:21)
Cheers,
Scott.
Jackie
Does this put Rudy in TFG’s “I hardly knew him; he delivered coffee once” category?
Villago Delenda Est
Ghouliani further cements his disreputation as an asshole.
Scout211
Margin done broke on . . . an iPad.
Mr. Cole, please to fix your naked and not- live links?
Chetan Murthy
I don’t remember where I read it, but someone quipped that Rudy didn’t squash the Italian Mob in NYC; instead, he simply sold them out to the Russian Mob.
sdhays
Apparently Rudy demonstrated just as much legal judgement as we’ve come to expect from him and he also downloaded thousands of highly sensitive emails with clients, including our Donald, to her computer. He also talked about he and our Donald selling pardons for $2 million – and she has these conversations on tape.
And then there’s this regarding a very gross “not” Republican: Elon Musk documents subpoenaed in Jeffrey Epstein lawsuit by U.S. Virgin Islands. The article is pretty vague, but it sounds like they think Musk was referred to J.P. Morgan Chase by Epstein and they want those emails. I won’t be shocked when either evidence disappears or Musk turns out to be one of the sickest of Epstein bros.
Betsy
@Scout211: same. iPhone
FelonyGovt
@Another Scott: Yes, the first thing I thought of was that scene from the last Borat movie. Disgusting old degenerate creep.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
Just heard about this on Meidas Touch, where they mention that two of the paragraphs allege that TFG and Giuliani were selling pardons, going price $2 mil.
Here it is:
(I only found this one paragraph when I searched for “pardon”)
sdhays
@Chetan Murthy: At this point, my default assumption is that that’s absolutely true.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
I knew it at the time that scene with Giuliane in Borat 2 was someone telling Giuliane people are on to his games.
Eolirin
Boy do I hope the DoJ gets their hands on whatever tapes exist asap.
PaulWartenberg
Considering all the stories, all the publicly known failures in Rudy’s life – the divorces, the affairs, that Borat clip of his hand down his pants in a hotel room with a young woman – I am firmly convinced every major Republican figure need to wear goddamn chastity belts for the rest of their lives.
JaySinWA
Popehat reminder https://mastodon.social/@Popehat/110374943589547094
So just a reminder that a complaint, even if very entertaining, even if against a horrible person, even if it describes things the person would credibly do, even if it supports all your priors, is just an accusation.
May 15, 2023, 14:59 ·
And I said below:
Yes I am skeptical, but like the X-Files poster says “I want to believe”.
I hope Ms. Dunphy has a better lawyer than Stormy Daniels did. I really hope this lawyer is not grandstanding.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Epstein’s rise in fiance is just strange the way Epstein just slimmed it’s way to the top. It’s the thing that was Epstein was the chosen one of someone very rich and powerful. And, look, now this involves Musk, another Chosen One.
Steeplejack
@Cole:
You broke the margin with your infernally long naked PDF link. Makes it very hard for people to use the comment box on cell phones. Could you put it into a “formal” link gizmo?
JaySinWA
@Steeplejack: My bet is on another front pager, most likely WaterGirl will fix it before Cole sees this.
Mai Naem mobile
@JaySinWA: supposedly she’s got tapes. I know it can be done but I doubt she’s going to make up tapes.
Cameron
So are the hearings in Rudy’s case going to be held at Four Seasons Total Landscaping?
Scout211
Redshift
I’ve seen elsewhere that the pardons conversation isn’t on tape. But I ain’t digging through that muck to check…
JaySinWA
@Mai Naem mobile: And I hope they deliver, unambiguously and damningly. Same with the emails, although they may have problems releasing those.
Scout211
Here’s a live link to the complaint filed by Noelle Dunphy.
Barbara
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Quite specifically, Epstein was the financial manager to the CEO of Limited Brands. Sorry about the pay wall, but if interested the story is here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/business/jeffrey-epstein-wexner-victorias-secret.html
Steeplejack
@JaySinWA:
I also sent her a message. Haven’t heard back.
Narya
@Wyatt Salamanca: o’Donnell and Schiff!
Steeplejack
@Scout211:
Always good to say when a link goes to a PDF. Some devices automatically download them when you click without giving you the option to decline.
Carlo Graziani
It will be intersesting, and informative of the way the wind is blowing, to see whether and how Fox News reports on this story.
“Smother it in bullshit, then drop it” probably means they are hedging their bets in case Trump resumes power, at least in the dipshit-sphere. “Report it straight, amplifying the scandal” means tainting Trumpville with lurid accusations, and signals a possible effort by Murdoch to put TFG in the ground. Popcorn supplies laid in.
Sure Lurkalot
@JaySinWA: I noted your comment in the previous thread and agree, the allegations are fantastical (while still being totally believable, gaaa, how I hate this fucking timeline). So, I hope plaintiff and counsel can stand and deliver.
Scout211
@Steeplejack: Thanks. Noted.
Quinerly
@Scout211:
I’m on #53
“Giuliani gave Ms. Dunphy permission to record her interactions with Giuliani
anytime, anywhere, as well as Giuliani’s interactions with others. Giuliani thereafter continually
permitted and authorized Ms. Dunphy to make such recordings. He never asked her to stop
recording any interaction. At times, Giuliani pressed “record” himself on Ms. Dunphy’s cell phone
to record their conversations.”
Quinerly
@Sure Lurkalot:
I’m reading the Complaint. Pretty wild. They originally met in 2016. He wanted to hire her then. She wasn’t interested. In 2019, Rudy tracked her down on Facebook and sent her a friend request. Offered her a job with $1 million a year salary, but couldn’t actually start paying her until his divorce was final.
geg6
I have no trouble believing he’s as scummy as this reporting indicates. Hopefully, she has all the receipts. Couldn’t be more deserved.
Quinerly
From the Complaint:
55. Giuliani told Ms. Dunphy that his divorce would settle “any day now” and therefore
the need to keep her employment secret and her pay deferred would not last long.
56. Giuliani promised Ms. Dunphy that in the meantime, he would pay her in cash
whenever he could so that she could support herself during the deferral period.
57. During the interview, Giuliani offered Ms. Dunphy an additional inducement: he
had learned that she was a survivor of domestic abuse and he offered to represent her pro bono in
connection with legal matters arising from those circumstances. Giuliani later sent Ms. Dunphy
an email confirming this arrangement, a redacted copy of which follows:
TheronWare
Quinerly
An all star roster.
From the Complaint:
94. Once Giuliani’s email account was loaded onto Ms. Dunphy’s computer, at least
23,000 emails associated with the account, including many from before her employment with Giuliani, were stored on her computer.
95. Since Giuliani gave Ms. Dunphy access to his email account, she had access to
information that was, upon information and belief, privileged, confidential, and highly sensitive.
96. For example, Ms. Dunphy was given access to emails from, to, or concerning
President Trump, the Trump family (including emails from Donald Trump, Jr., Ivanka Trump, and Eric Trump), Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, former FBI director Louis Freeh, Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow, Secretaries of State, former aides to President Trump such as Steve Bannon, Reince Priebus, and Kellyanne Conway, former Attorneys General Michael Mukasey and Jeff Sessions,media figures such as Rupert Murdoch, Sean Hannity, and Tucker Carlson, and other notable
figures including Newt Gingrich, presidential candidates for Ukraine, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, the Ailes family, the LeFrak family, Bernard Kerik, Igor Fruman, Lev Parnas, and attorneys Marc Mukasey, Robert Costello, Victoria Toensing, Fred Fielding, and Joe DeGenova.
dirge
@Chetan Murthy:
I was living in NYC at the time. Everybody I knew said the same. We all considered it quite obvious. Can’t now recall the clues that led us there, but it wasn’t baseless speculation.
We also assumed that breaking Chinatown’s control of Fulton fish market was a favor to the Russians.
I thought his moves against Hasidic landlords were mostly on behalf of other, better connected, Hasids, but I haven’t checked up on who owns those properties now…
piratedan
can understand all of the caution regarding this lawsuit because of how well it dovetails into what we know about Mr. Mayor.
hoping that…
whatever else falls out of this could illustrate the low cunning that these people use to take advantage of the system. Apparently this isn’t the first time that The Mayor made decisions with his dick based on his past matrimonial behavior.
Mike in NC
Trump and Giuliani, two of the filthiest rats to ever crawl out of the stinking sewers of New York City.
Roberto el oso
It’s men like Rudy Giuliani who give degenerates and alcoholics a bad name.
artem1s
seriously how do these people have time for all this criming? who is stupid enough to believe anything Rudy has to say at this point. she belongs in jail too. for sure there would be no lawsuit if she had gotten the money she thinks she deserves. mobsters all the way down. just vile, nasty, awful people.
artem1s
@piratedan:
justice for what? helping him sell pardons and failing to collect a paycheck for helping him commit crimes?
dirge
@Quinerly:
as I said in a previous thread, shorter paragraph 96: “Jack, Fani, I eagerly await all the subpoenas.”
OverTwistWillie
@dirge:
Trump is NYCs Whitey Bulger.
Chetan Murthy
@artem1s: IIUC, she took the job in 2019. Anybody who doesn’t know in 2019 that Rudy is a creep and a thief …..
Baud
I’m not sure what all this has to do with Hunter Biden’s laptop.
piratedan
@artem1s: I have no idea on how much of a character fail that she is…. but mitigating that is the fact that Rudy certainly took advantage of her abusive relationship with her former husband, strung her along with promised payouts in return for handling his administrative needs (which, she was apparently good at) as well as the sexual coercion that she was constantly under.
With his position in NY politics and contacts within, he could have potentially made life MORE difficult for her, so she was left with a choice of physical abuse or sexual harassment (or so it was indicated based on what I had read.)
so that’s where I was coming from…
so in short, even villains should pay their staff
Chetan Murthy
@piratedan: There’s an old saying: “if it isn’t in writing, it didn’t happen”. She somehow thought she’d get a $1m payout, and went along with some bullshit story that the money wasn’t here today, but by Tuesday for sure he’d have it? And …. what “administrative manager” gets paid $1m/yr ?
All that said, I hope she takes him to the cleaners, and discovery unearths massive piles of evidence of crimes. I just don’t pretend she’s some innocent victim here. She went to work for a criminal and an traitor, on the promise of outrageous money that you only get when you’re involved in something shady.
Carlo Graziani
@Chetan Murthy: “There is no honor among thieves” is a time-honored prosecutorial principle. It makes the effluent that used to flow downwards back up and drown the principals in their own shit.
Quinerly
@dirge:
I’m 3/4 way through the Complaint. Lots of details, lots of texts, lots of recordings. Plus, some pretty sick stuff on Rudy’s part.
dirge
@Chetan Murthy: Anybody who doesn’t know in 2019 that Rudy is a creep and a thief …..
Well…. In 2019 most of the news media was still pretending Rudy strongly resembled a human being, and a famous, influential one at that. Thinking one could get ahead by attaching oneself to such a creature is far from the dumbest idea anyone had that year.
Still a strong indicator that she’s not amongst the sharpest of us.
Nonetheless, willing to cut her a little slack as a survivor of abuse, seeking help, and being victimized by another abuser purporting to offer it. Very hard to be a good judge of character when you don’t have a history of healthy relationships to use as a baseline.
Quinerly
@Chetan Murthy:
I highly suggest that you read the Complaint. It really is hard to take all this in without reading the clear language of her lawsuit.
NotMax
Dear Hints From Heloise:
Any tips for getting obsidian black hair dye out of pillowcases?
//
Chetan Murthy
@dirge: He was the right-hand-man of a criminal and traitor. Anybody who ignores that is beyond decency. Putin calls up, says he wants to pay you big money: do you accept? Does it matter *what for* ? I mean, this was 2019: we all knew what TFG was, and we all knew what all his sycophants and supporters were.
She signed on with a known criminal and traitor.
What happened afterward, yes, that was horrific, and criminal, and for that Rudy should pay. But the initial act of signing on? That’s all on her.
Quinerly
@artem1s:
I highly recommend reading the Complaint. Very detailed. Sure it’s lurid. But it does lay out her case very clearly. What her job was, her background, her “receipts,” what’s recorded. How he never had any intent on paying her. How he knew of her background of domestic violence.
dirge
@Chetan Murthy: we all knew what TFG was…
Yeah, we all knew. We don’t know that she knew.
If she didn’t, that tells us she’s woefully uninformed, deceiving herself, complicit, or most likely some confused jumble of all of the above. But that’s absolutely bog standard for any victim of any scam.
It doesn’t reflect well on her, obviously, and we can still assign responsibility to her for stupidity and/or corruption, while remaining perfectly clear about who’s the abuser and abused here. Surely Rudy seeks out vulnerable people like this, precisely because he knows he can corrupt them. That’s how all this stuff works.
So, yeah, not putting her on any kind of pedestal, but willing to cut her some slack.
John Revolta
This feels a little like when we found out Nixon had been recording everything that went on in the White House. To quote Basil Fawlty, let’s hope it’s nothing trivial.
Jay
@NotMax:
fire,…….
Quinerly
She has an impressive law firm representing her. Over 100 total attorneys (5 locations), including ex judges. The current NY mayor’s ex chief of staff is of counsel to the firm. Discovery will be interesting for sure.
Chetan Murthy
@dirge: I remember back when it came out that the real person behind Jane Roe died, her deathbed confession was that her recanting and turning anti-abortion was all for the money. At the time, I was a bit “geez, she had a hard life, maybe we shouldn’t judge her so harshly” but some of the other commenters (and specifically one (obviously) female commenter) really let me have it. That my not judging her harshly was the same as condoning the massive harm in which she participated.
I learned something from that.
And in that same vein, I am not inclined to cut Dunphy slack for her initial decision to join Rudy in his crime spree. Just as I am not willing to cut ANY TRUMPIST slack for participating in TFG’s criminal campaign and administration. I don’t care how young and innocent you pretend to be: you join in a den of thieves and traitors, then I have no sympathy for you and hope that you get your just deserts.
Also: apparently (per her website) she’s a Columbia graduate. Not some hick from the sticks. She knew better.
We’re not talking about some little-known criminal here. We’re talking about the equivalent of John Gotti. You get a call from John Gotti’s (well-known) caporegime offering you $1m to work for him? What do you do?
Chetan Murthy
@dirge:
It is an oft-repeated truism that most criminals are stupid as posts. Doesn’t make them any less culpable.
cain
@Quinerly: I am sensing our version of but her emails !
eversor
@Chetan Murthy:
You never know what someones personal circumstances are. If someone is trying to get out of a bad situation and/or cashing out their retirement savings to stay afloat (and I’ve been there while going bankrupt through medical bills and a divorce) you’re often grubbing for the first thing that gets you back on your feet. It makes you vulnerable and everyone has a different tollerance for it. In my case I didn’t do anything shady I just declared bankruptcy to get out from medical debt, then cashed out a few 401ks and limped along till I got home. But I’ve seen a lot of people bite at the quick fix to these issues.
As for the “salary” of a million a year, that’s actually not that insane when parsed the right way. I’ve worked at a few high powered firms (consulting and legal) and mid sixes salaries for administrative and IT managerial or directorial staff are sort of the norm. These are boosted with profit sharing directly into your retirement accounts, not having to pay for any of your benefits, free lunches cooked by chefs, yearly, and quarterly bonuses. So “I never have to pay for food, a gym, or medical care, ever again, also my 300k a year gets topped off repeatedly into over a million, I get 10% of my income freely given by the firm into a 401k, and I get a share of firm profits into an 401k as well” is sort of the norm in these jobs. There is a fuck ton of money flowing around at the top.
There’s always a catch with it and a trap with it. The first is you are going to rapidly realize the liberal idealists you’re working for that do all the diversity, pride, and other items work for the most brutal and screwed up organizations on the planet. The next is that all the perks are designed to keep your ass at the office and shut up about what goes on there. The last is that you can’t get out of it because if you hop jobs too fast or too often your burned on the job market. The dream job is a nightmare.
I have no idea what her situation was, but the promises don’t seem out of line for that sort of thing, and I’ve known people that walked into it. For me I chose to extract myself from those sort of positions recently and just float on some savings and hunt down a nice non profit tech job that may pay a fraction of what I made but is enough to make the bills, and not full of sociopaths. Though of course I can’t be sure of the later or my bills going up.
I’d have never taken a job for Rudy or Trump though. Neither pay their bills and both have managed to get a lot of people killed!
eversor
@Chetan Murthy:
Stupid and deluded are not the same thing. A lot of the “moderate” conservative support for Trump isn’t stupid, not even complicit, just fucking flat out deluded.
I’m starting to think we should run congress through the same sort of financial, psychological, and other investigations the rest of us had to go through to even gain a public trust check. But I know that’s not legal and as various actors like the last leaker has proven even than doesn’t really work. Still I’d run them all through say an SSBI, just cause it would be funny, to me.
The Lodger
@eversor: The payment schedule looks more like a mistress than a high-level employee.
Ryan
If it turns out that there are tapes of him implicating trump, this could go all the way to the Supreme Courtyard by Marriott.
(Joke stolen from Reddit)
dirge
@Chetan Murthy:
If she has committed crimes, I’m just as eager to see her prosecuted as you are. If a sentencing jury should find that Rudy’s manipulation and coercion is a mitigating factor, that might strike me as reasonable, depending upon facts we don’t yet know.
I’m not sure I really even disagree with your assignment of strict liability for actual consequences, regardless of intentions or circumstances. There’s a lot to be said for the clarity of it. I’ve done my level best to live as if I’ll be judged this way (by, I don’t know who… me, I guess.).
But the reality of my life has been a series of ethical sinkholes. Through poor judgment, bad luck, or abject desperation, I have found myself working for a series of flagrantly corrupt petty tyrants. It is shockingly easy to get into these situations, and not always simple to get out. I like to think my compromises have been quite minimal, but I have regrets.
I have a pretty hard time understanding how anyone hires on with Giuliani in 2019. I’ve certainly never done anything that dumb. But if we’re looking at someone desperate who deceived themselves into believing that he was what she needed him to be, what the press was telling her he was, I have some sympathy. An error, surely, and likely a culpable error, but not necessarily an incomprehensible one.
I suppose I’m just asking you to acknowledge that the coin has two sides. One does not diminish the other.
Chetan Murthy
@eversor:
We’ll have to disagree on that. I’m with A.R. Moxon on this: nobody care why they voted for
HitlerTrump, why they’re members of theNazi partyGOP: nobody cares about motivations. We have a word for them:NaziTraitor.eversor
@The Lodger:
I’ve been at plenty of places where these were one and the same thing and IT had to go over security videos after hours. It’s one of the reasons I’m avoiding big firm shit currently and living off savings why applying to going back to “slumming it” in the non profit sector. That amount of money creates odd situations.
eversor
@Chetan Murthy:
Trump one the Christian vote. Until you are willing to deal with the issue of religion there is no point in using Nazi, Traitor, White Nationalists, unless CHRISTIAN is included right there with it. And if you won’t do that, you allow all of that. We are in a cold secular civil war that is based around one religion.
Chetan Murthy
@dirge:
And I don’t acknowledge that, just as I will never allow that any member of TFG’s administration has any moral decency at all. They will *all* be in my list of traitors to our Republic, in my list of moral black holes.
I mean, (for example) Kayleigh MciNinny is a black hole. I don’t care whether she committed crimes or not, she’s blotted her copybook. Ditto every other member of that administration. I don’t buy the “oh we were there to help make things better, to prevent even worse damage”. That’s bullshit.
And so, back to this creep Dunphy. I’m sorry she got raped, b/c nobody should. But (for example) when you go to work for John Gotti, you expect that you might end up with cement overshoes — that’s part of the territory. That doesn’t mean that that’s not a crime, and Gotti should certainly pay for those crimes. They’re still crimes, and those people who got murdered were still victims. But the idea that somehow you’re *innocent* when that happens to you? Nah.
dirge
@Chetan Murthy: when you go to work for John Gotti, you expect…
So you’re assuming she had full knowledge of what she was getting into. I guarantee you that was not the case. Enough knowledge she should have known better? Maybe. Probably. I doubt she knew she was going to work for John Gotti. Most people who go to work for him don’t.
Chetan Murthy
@dirge: Rudy works for TFG. That should be *enough*.
Spc
Chetan Murthy
@dirge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani#:~:text=Giuliani%20joined%20President%20Donald%20Trump,the%202018%20and%202020%20elections.
She started in 2019. She knew Rudy was neck-deep with these traitors. She just wanted the damn money.
eversor
@Chetan Murthy:
Kayleigh is a Christian. Who, like Barr, or Alito, has openly admitted she did all she did for Christianity.
This issue is going to have to be confronted or all the other fights are lost. And it can’t be confronted by claiming Jesus only talked about the poor and never demanded violence and patriarchy cause that’s why they are winning.
dirge
@Chetan Murthy:
Obviously. No disagreement there.
Still worth distinguishing between the ones who were working towards the fuhrer, the ones working to restrain him, and the rather larger group claiming to work for or against but actually working for themselves, if only to understand how regimes like this really work.
That’s where you have a strong point: the true believers are a minor factor; none of it works without the constellation of grifters and hangers on. So you must hold them accountable.
But then there’s the outer ring, of people brought along by fraud, fear, or force. They’re also necessary to make it work, and should have known better, or made better moral choices, so also can’t be let off the hook. But it’s not the same thing. They are both perpetrators and victims of the fraud.
You don’t fix any of this without understanding it. Understanding involves distinguishing culpability by degree and kind.
Ruckus
@MomSense:
Yes, yes he is.
It seems he gets worse by the day. But I’d bet that he’s pretty much been this guy at least all of his adult life.
dirge
@Chetan Murthy: Giuliani joined President Donald Trump’s personal legal team in April 2018.
Dude, Donald Trump was President of the United Fucking States. Some people were going to perceive that as a stamp of legitimacy. Wrongly, obviously. Perhaps in part because it was in their perceived self-interest to do so. But seriously, it’s not wildly unreasonable to think you’ve caught a lucky break when a public figure close to the President offers to help you out. I mean, that’s assuming you’ve been living under a rock for a few years, but that describes a disturbingly large number of people, and probably an even larger percentage of domestic abuse survivors.
We don’t know what she was thinking, but poor information and bad judgment is an entirely plausible explanation. There are of course others, but I’ll generously extend the benefit of the doubt for now.
Ruckus
I’m of a mind that if someone is paying you, or even telling you that they will pay you, a hell of a lot money to do basically secretarial work, or even management of things that you likely have zero experience with, isn’t likely to be an actually legal job. Would anyone here take a million dollar a year job to work for rudy? I like money but I don’t like it anywhere near that much.
Gvg
@Ruckus: it can depend on how much the abuse hurt and how frightening he was and also how attractive she is. She may have been desperate for a powerful enough protector to make abuser back off and if she was beautiful she may have been thinking protector who is also an abuser but less frightening might be worth the risk. Even not being paid the full amount could be a better deal than being hurt or killed. I haven’t heard that Guillini has a rep for killing just not paying and being sleezy and greedy. So maybe. Need more info on her ex.
Also let’s see if the story checks out. And boy do they seem dumb.
Shalimar
@Chetan Murthy: Who gives a fuck what she wanted when she got into it. Or what kind of person she was. Look at the evidence she collected against Rudy and Trump during those years she was working for him. The FBI in it’s wildest dreams has never had an undercover agent gather that much intel in that much detail over that long a period into a criminal enterprise. If she really has all of the tapes and emails detailed in the complaint, then she has more than vindicated the minor sins she started off with.
Chetan Murthy
@dirge: Yes, and we have a word for those people (to again cite A.R. Moxon): TRAITORS.
Also, as someone pointed out over at LG&M: the reason we’re learning about all this NOW, 2.5yr after TFG lost power, is b/c Dunphy didn’t get paid, tried to blackmail Rudy into coughing up the $$, and when that didn’t work, she sued him. And it all came out. She’s a traitor, too.
Chetan Murthy
@Shalimar: The reason we’re seeing that evidence, is only that she didn’t get *paid*. I’m glad that “there is no honor among thieves” as @Carlo Graziani: noted. But she’s no “good guy”. Just a grifter that didn’t get paid.
dirge
Yeah, that sounds right I guess, but if I’m going to take a stand on anything here, it’s that we shouldn’t purport to be in a position to weigh her soul against her sins, a feather, or otherwise. Don’t think we can vindicate her either.
That said, I’m quite hopeful the email archive will prove to be a colossal public service.
patrick II
Trump doesn’t send emails, so I imagine someone else (Hope Hicks?) did. I wonder how much trouble they will be in if they have been interviewed by justice and claimed no knowledge of any such emails.
dirge
@Chetan Murthy:
We’re just talking past each other. I don’t even think you’re wrong. Just frustrated you’re missing my point. I’m done.
Shalimar
@patrick II: Rudy exchanged emails with lots of people. I would imagine the orders from Trump came through phone conversations though. She claims to have a recording of a Giuliani conversation with Trump while she was giving Rudy a blowjob, among the many recordings.
Shalimar
@Chetan Murthy: She’s a traitor how? To whom? She only mentions one meeting after the 2020 election, and that is to quote Giuliani’s belief that Trump had lost. And then her unpaid employment is basically terminated the day after January 6th*. Giuliani will have an opportunity to provide more evidence, but nothing in what she says shows any participation in the coup.
*She tells him that day she is scared of him in light of what has happened, and he sends her a message firing her 3 weeks later.
Tony Jay
Speaking personally, I have no problem with thinking that anyone who takes a job with Rude Ghoul in 2019 has to be at least a bit of a shit regardless of their reasons, and that only bringing this potential treasure trove of compromising information to light because RG didn’t/wouldn’t pay their bills is the act of a bottom feeder, while at the same time having these e-mails and texts and videos out there in the public sphere is potentially a huge public good out of all proportion to the low deeds that went before.
People are complicated, life is complicated, things don’t have to be balanced out and there’s no universal measuring stick. You can be an utter cad and still produce something of value, the worth of which is completely separate and independent of the producer’s caddishness. Books aren’t evil because the author turns out to be a creep, autobahns aren’t devilish because they were planned by murderers, the back-catalogue of Coldplay isn’t good music because the singer does worthy charity work. Trying to stuff discrete events or things or acts into a Great Clockwork Balancing Engine is a pointless waste of time, especially if it leads to people fussing over whether the release of this material is possibly a bad thing because it might help the Presidential ambitions of Ron DeSantis.
Just kick back, salt your popcorn and enjoy the unfolding drama.
Chetan Murthy
@Shalimar: *Everyone* who works/worked for TFG is a traitor. All of them. The lot.
Quinerly
@Shalimar:
This is why it is important to actually read her lawsuit. Great comment.
Quinerly
@Shalimar:
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SFAW
@Tony Jay:
So there’s hope for me? [Well, not me per se, but for something I might “create.”]
Truth.
Now do Nickelback.
Chris Johnson
@sdhays: Interesting. Soooo, if Musk turns out to be an Epstein guy, and Epstein and Trump were Putin kompromat central, and Musk bought Twitter to gut it and turn it into a right wing 4chan knock-off (4chan also being a key Putin tool, and this would be why it was worth losing so much money on), then wouldn’t it be interesting if some of the pillars of social influencing got wrested from Putin’s control?
It seems to work like that, much like it did with control of the country. First, Putin works through various methods to get covert control of a thing. It escalates to the highest scale, but never becomes overt. Then, the control slips, while at the same time the thing gets more radicalized. And finally, the radicalization is extreme and obvious and control gets wrested from the radicalizer.
Imagine, being able to actually use Twitter as just a regular old social media shitshow. And not a total propaganda machine working against the US.
StringOnAStick
@Chris Johnson: Excellent point and fine dot connecting. Let’s hope the results needed happen quickly enough.
WaterGirl
@JaySinWA: Guilty as charged. :-)