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Thursday Night Open Thread: A Small Cabal of Morons, Led By Monsters

by Anne Laurie|  May 25, 20238:38 pm| 135 Comments

This post is in: Books, Education, LGBTQ Rights Are Human Rights, Open Threads, Republican Politics, Peak Wingnut Was a Lie!

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This is the one parent who successfully got Amanda Gorman’s poem banned. Will the Miami-Dade school district reverse this decision now that it’s surfaced that parent as ties to a white supremacist organization? Or does the comfort of a white supremacist matter more? https://t.co/aat6k4injI

— Jemele Hill (@jemelehill) May 23, 2023

Okay the headline is insane but I assure you: This story gets much, much worse as you read through it! And you should. This is what it's like being Floridian these days! https://t.co/xblNOw37LK pic.twitter.com/1YcJ1bOkz1

— Adam Weinstein (@AdamWeinstein) May 25, 2023

Months before a Miami-area mother persuaded a local school to restrict access to an Amanda Gorman poem, she was posting antisemitic memes on her Facebook page.

Now, Daily Salinas is apologizing for one of those things — and unrepentant about the other.

“I want to apologize to the Jewish community,” Salinas told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency on Wednesday. She was saying sorry for a Facebook post she shared in March offering a summary of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” a notorious antisemitic forgery written more than a century ago in Russia…

Salinas challenged the Gorman poem — which she says she hasn’t read in its entirety — on the grounds that it contains “indirect hate messages.” The review committee said it “erred on the side of caution” in deciding to limit students’ access.

The Miami Herald did not mention Salinas’ social media activity. But after the story about her was published, a left-wing group, Miami Against Fascism, called attention to a Facebook account it identified as hers. The account, which JTA reviewed, features a flood of political posts reflecting right-wing ideologies — and the antisemitic Protocols…

Reached by JTA on Wednesday, Salinas confirmed that the post about the “Protocols” was hers and apologized for it, saying she hadn’t read it beyond the word “communism.” Salinas said her aversion to communism stems from her Cuban identity. She added that English is not her first language.

“I see the word ‘communism,’ and I think it’s something about communism,” she said. “I didn’t read the words.”…

Salinas’ Facebook feed reflects the kinds of right-wing memes that continue to circulate widely, although she told JTA that she did not post everything on it herself. Miami Against Fascism also shared video of Salinas with the Proud Boys, a far-right group with ties to antisemitic activists, as well as a video of her attending a school board protest last year with Moms For Liberty, a “parents’ rights” group active in pushing for book removals across the country. Such groups have been instrumental in leveraging laws signed by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis that enable parents to challenge the presence of any book in school libraries. In some instances, those challenges have led to the removal of books about the Holocaust and Jewish culture.

Salinas told JTA she was not a member of either group and said she had just been in attendance at protests where they were both present. A Moms For Liberty media representative also told JTA Salinas was not a member of the group and said, “We denounce antisemitism in all its forms.”…


That Libs of TikTok lady? One of the *good* Jews!

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— Aaron Showtime Taylor (@rebirthofchick) May 23, 2023

i can't believe it. you're telling me that this is a well-organized campaign led by a small group of partisan activists who aren't representing any majority constituency, and who are forcing their values onto everyone else? i'm shocked! https://t.co/Y3uEZlyOEY

— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachi) May 23, 2023

Hannah Natanson, for the Washington Post — “Objection to sexual, LGBTQ content propels spike in book challenges” [gift link]:

Books about LGBTQ people are fast becoming the main target of a historic wave of school book challenges — and a large percentage of the complaints come from a minuscule number of hyperactive adults, a first-of-its-kind Washington Post analysis found.

A stated wish to shield children from sexual content is the main factor animating attempts to remove LGBTQ books, The Post found. The second-most common reason cited for pulling LGBTQ texts was an explicit desire to prevent children from reading about lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, nonbinary and queer lives.

The Post requested copies of all book challenges filed in the 2021-2022 school year with the 153 school districts that Tasslyn Magnusson, a researcher employed by free expression advocacy group PEN America, tracked as receiving formal requests to remove books last school year. In total, officials in more than 100 of those school systems, which are spread across 37 states, provided 1,065 complaints totaling 2,506 pages.

The Post analyzed the complaints to determine who was challenging the books, what kinds of books drew objections and why. Nearly half of filings — 43 percent — targeted titles with LGBTQ characters or themes, while 36 percent targeted titles featuring characters of color or dealing with issues of race and racism. The top reason people challenged books was “sexual” content; 61 percent of challenges referenced this concern…

A small number of people were responsible for most of the book challenges, The Post found. Individuals who filed 10 or more complaints were responsible for two-thirds of all challenges. In some cases, these serial filers relied on a network of volunteers gathered together under the aegis of conservative parents’ groups such as Moms for Liberty
…

Bibliophobia… pic.twitter.com/HQNhQlyvQo

— Jeffrey Levin ???? (@jilevin) May 23, 2023

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    1. 1.

      Baud

      May 25, 2023 at 8:39 pm

      I read the title and thought it was a new rotating tag.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Omnes Omnibus

      May 25, 2023 at 8:42 pm

      She was saying sorry for a Facebook post she shared in March offering a summary of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” a notorious antisemitic forgery written more than a century ago in Russia…

      Sorry or sorry that she got caught and called out?

      Reply
    3. 3.

      Soprano2

      May 25, 2023 at 8:47 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: I can’t get over how people like this woman try to claim ignorance of these things.  “I didn’t know that The Protocols were a fake anti-Jewish thing, I had no idea the Proud Boys were racist and antisemitic” and so on. How dumb do they think people are? Who associates with groups they know nothing about? It’s not believable.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Mike S

      May 25, 2023 at 8:47 pm

      The GOP Grift machine never stops grifting.

      How to Raise $89 Million in Small Donations, and Make It Disappear
      A group of conservative operatives using sophisticated robocalls raised millions of dollars from donors using pro-police and pro-veteran messages. But instead of using the money to promote issues and candidates, an analysis by The New York Times shows, nearly all the money went to pay the firms making the calls and the operatives themselves, highlighting a flaw in the regulation of political nonprofits.
      Since 2014, the five groups have pulled in $89 million from small-dollar donors who were pitched on building political support for police officers, veterans and firefighters.

      But just 1 percent of the money they raised was used to help candidates via donations, ads or targeted get-out-the-vote messages, according to an analysis by The Times of the groups’ public filings.
      …

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Omnes Omnibus

      May 25, 2023 at 8:48 pm

      @Soprano2: ​How dumb do they think people are?

      Yes.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      Ohio Mom

      May 25, 2023 at 8:49 pm

      The irony of someone traumatized by growing up under a dictatorship immigrating to this country and aligning herself with authoritarians. If I remember my Pysch 101, it’s called a repetition compulsion.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      geg6

      May 25, 2023 at 8:50 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus:

      This.  Fucking religious Q nutcase Karen.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      waspuppet

      May 25, 2023 at 8:54 pm

      “I didn’t read the words.”

      Conservatism in one quick, easy sentence.

      Seriously Amanda Gorman’s poem takes like two minutes to read. Too much for this woman.

      Reply
    9. 9.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 9:00 pm

      Some Ohio jackals want to organize a meetup, probably in Columbus since that is centrally located. Not organized enough yet to do meetup details because we don’t have any idea who might come and from where. Comment here if you are interested.

      Reply
    10. 10.

      NotMax

      May 25, 2023 at 9:01 pm

      Open thread? Amazeballs.

      A 40-year-old man whose legs are paralyzed is able to climb stairs, move over ramps and switch from standing to walking, thanks to implants in his brain and spinal cord that pair with external devices to translate his thoughts into movement.

      The experiment was part of a proof-of-concept study published Wednesday in the journal Nature. Source

      Reply
    11. 11.

      Baud

      May 25, 2023 at 9:01 pm

      @NotMax:

      “We can rebuild him. We have the technology.”

      Reply
    12. 12.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 9:02 pm

      @Soprano2: I don’t need to get over it. It’s called lying when confronted.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Lyrebird

      May 25, 2023 at 9:02 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: Right.  Sorry that she got called on it, I bet.

      Mostly replying to say thank you for your pointing me to the information about the Falwell court case in response to my question.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      smith

      May 25, 2023 at 9:03 pm

      @waspuppet: All she needed  to know was that it was written by  Black woman. The fact that she got that woman’s identity wrong was immaterial. As was the fact that she didn’t read it.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      Alison Rose

      May 25, 2023 at 9:04 pm

      Apparently she heard our theme song. Oops.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      John Revolta

      May 25, 2023 at 9:04 pm

      Asked why she wanted the books removed in the first place, Salinas said she had just been expressing her “opinion” that they did not “support the curriculum” but declined to elaborate.

      She said she had only read parts of the books.  “They have to read for me because I’m not an expert,” she said. “I’m not a reader. I’m not a book person. I’m a mom involved in my children’s education.”

       

      ………

      Reply
    17. 17.

      Mike in NC

      May 25, 2023 at 9:04 pm

      MapQuest last night told us that we could make it to Asheville NC in five hours and two minutes. In reality, the road trip from hell took us closer to nine freakin’ hours. Interstate 26 in SC was a 125 mile construction zone with a zillion potholes and an average speed of 5 MPH. Now unwinding with a nice bottle of Pinot Noir. Might visit the Biltmore estate tomorrow.

      Reply
    18. 18.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      May 25, 2023 at 9:05 pm

      @Soprano2: I don’t know. This one claimed Oprah Winfrey wrote that poem.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      Soprano2

      May 25, 2023 at 9:05 pm

      @sab: Oh yeah, she’s totally lying.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      Gvg

      May 25, 2023 at 9:07 pm

      @waspuppet: she is lying. She got caught doing something bad and people are yelling at her so she is saying deflecting things. Its bullshit.

      Reply
    21. 21.

      Soprano2

      May 25, 2023 at 9:09 pm

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: Maybe she can’t tell black people apart, and just put down the name of a famous black woman.

      Reply
    22. 22.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 9:09 pm

      @NotMax: One of my nieces just developed a weird neurological autoimmune disorder.  Eight weeks ago she was fine. Now she is about 90 % paralyzed. She can work her head, face, mouth. She can barely use her arms and her hands, legs and feet not at all. They tape silverware to her arms so she can feed herself.

      This came completely out of nowhere.  She had an important job in a counselling company that needs her. She has two teenagers and a husband who need her. And this, blamooo out of nowhere. They think they might be able to use physical therapy to make her hands and arms work. Her brain cannot communicate with her muscles. They don’t think she will ever walk again. She is about forty.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      NotMax

      May 25, 2023 at 9:09 pm

      @Baud

      “I don’t think you’ve met my Uncle Bluetooth.”

      (And yes, am aware the original royal known as Bluetooth was, shall we say, not a very nice dude. Whereas the oft mentioned but never voiced supporting character Bluetooth Johnson on an old-time radio program was nice to a fault.)

      Reply
    24. 24.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      May 25, 2023 at 9:11 pm

      @Ohio Mom:

      I really resent people like that, such as Judge Loose Cannon. These people would’ve called the New Deal and the Great Society “communism”. I mean christ, do these people think EU countries are “communist”?

      Reply
    25. 25.

      No One You Know

      May 25, 2023 at 9:11 pm

      @John Revolta: “I’m not a reader. I’m not a book person.”

      Well. I think we can see the problem here.

      Reply
    26. 26.

      different-church-lady

      May 25, 2023 at 9:12 pm

      Ms. Salinas, allow me to introduce you to “The Streisand Effect.”

      Reply
    27. 27.

      different-church-lady

      May 25, 2023 at 9:14 pm

      “I’m not a reader. I’m not a book person. I’m a mom involved in my children’s education.”

      With that attitude I hope you’re not involved with their literacy.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      SiubhanDuinne

      May 25, 2023 at 9:15 pm

      @sab:

      How awful, and scary. I’m so sorry. I do hope they can find the cause, address the problem, and help your niece back to something resembling normalcy.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      Soprano2

      May 25, 2023 at 9:16 pm

      @sab: OMG that is horrible, I’m so sorry your niece is going through that. Very scary.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      May 25, 2023 at 9:16 pm

      @sab: Holy cow. I’m so sorry. What a blow.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      Omnes Omnibus

      May 25, 2023 at 9:17 pm

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I mean christ, do these people think EU countries are “communist”?

      I presume that question was rhetorical.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      catclub

      May 25, 2023 at 9:19 pm

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): ​
      &nbsp

      ;I mean christ, do these people think EU countries are “communist”?

      yes. sasq

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Baud

      May 25, 2023 at 9:19 pm

      @sab:

      That’s so sad. I’m sorry.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      JaySinWA

      May 25, 2023 at 9:20 pm

      Does anybody have a clue what is going on with Paxton in Texas?

      Leg House committee recommends impeachment.

      https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/24/ken-paxton-attorney-general-investigations-lawsuits/

      Paxton files ethics charges against the Leg Speaker of the House:

      https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/24/politics/ken-paxton-texas-republicans/index.html

      Paxton has lived under a shadow for eight years. What was the real trigger that brought this on? The House investigation seems to predate the attack on the Speaker, although it was not public until after. Paxton going hat in hand for 3 mill to settle whistleblower suits doesn’t strike me as the real trigger, Paxton has been an R in good enough standing to withstand a bunch of scandals. What else is going on under the surface?

      Reply
    35. 35.

      Citizen Alan

      May 25, 2023 at 9:21 pm

      @Ohio Mom: The only reason this evil hag fled cuba was because she Wanted to be one of the persecutors rather than one of the ones being persecuted.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 9:22 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: They have no idea what is going on. Possibly a hereditary thing that went nuts with her. This is so scary. Just out of nowhere. Boom. I have my own possible hereditary neurological defect I have been dreading for decades so am possibly prepared if it hits when expected, but she didn’t have a clue.

      My stepdaughter’s birth mother died in her early thirties of MS and stepdaughter says her cousin looks like her mom in the late stage. But that took years, not weeks.

      We never realize how fragile health is.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      Omnes Omnibus

      May 25, 2023 at 9:23 pm

      @sab: That’s awful.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      KateP

      May 25, 2023 at 9:25 pm

      @sab: Might be interested. It would be helpful for me if the meetup was a bit further north but Columbus might work.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      Ohio Mom

      May 25, 2023 at 9:25 pm

      @sab: Oh yes, count me in!

      Reply
    40. 40.

      Citizen Alan

      May 25, 2023 at 9:26 pm

      @different-church-lady: Her children will never amount to anything, and it is entirely her fault. Not even out of high school, and she’s probably ruined them for life. 90% of why I couldn’t cut it as a teacher was because I felt so angry and disgusted watching children be essentially handicapped for the rest of their lives by shoddy parenting before they made it to high school.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      Maxim

      May 25, 2023 at 9:26 pm

      @sab: How terrible, and how terrifying for it to come on so quickly. I hope the doctors are wrong, and things turn out better than their fears.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      John S.

      May 25, 2023 at 9:26 pm

      @Mike in NC:

      Be prepared to fork over $85 for a ticket. I understand the Biltmore has maintenance and operation costs, but that’s a little ridiculous.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      May 25, 2023 at 9:28 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus:

      Yes, it was.

      Still, Germany, for example, is hardly the PRC. To steal a line from the Dead Kennedys, if they want to live in a banana republic so bad, they should go move to one

      Reply
    44. 44.

      grandmaBear

      May 25, 2023 at 9:29 pm

      @sab: I’m in Ohio, close enough to Columbus and interested in a meetup.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      prostratedragon

      May 25, 2023 at 9:29 pm

      @Citizen Alan:  Ah. Wasn’t sure where she was from, but I always recall that there were two opposing groups of Cuban immigrants, with the later ones much more likely to have been Batistists who lost privileges under Castro. Some have held to the family tradition.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      Danielx

      May 25, 2023 at 9:29 pm

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

      Yes.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      Kim Walker

      May 25, 2023 at 9:32 pm

      I posted this below, but I sort of knew it was a dead thread (but it was BC’s post). I found this article today on illegal child labor in some US states. Article is by John R. Wiens in the Winnipeg Free Press.

      “The Florida-based Foundation for Government Accountability and the Opportunity Solutions Project, their lobbying arm, have been identified as the driving forces behind the elimination of child labour protections”.

      Has anyone heard of these groups?

      Reply
    48. 48.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 9:33 pm

      @KateP:

      @Ohio Mom:

      @grandmaBear:

      Yay!
      I think we are at about six for Columbus. columbusqueen is interested, and I have already communicated with Manyakitty.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      Another Scott

      May 25, 2023 at 9:34 pm

      @NotMax: It’s been worked on for many, many years.

      Wright State University in 1982.

      Progress is good, but it’s another illustration that long-term research is needed here and in many other areas.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      zhena gogolia

      May 25, 2023 at 9:35 pm

      @sab: Oh, that is terrible!

      Reply
    51. 51.

      mrmoshpotato

      May 25, 2023 at 9:35 pm

       

      i can’t believe it. you’re telling me that this is a well-organized campaign led by a small group of partisan activists who aren’t representing any majority constituency, and who are forcing their values onto everyone else? i’m shocked!

      Shocked I tell you!

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Sister Golden Bear

      May 25, 2023 at 9:35 pm

      @John Revolta:

      She said she had only read parts of the books.  “They have to read for me because I’m not an expert,” she said. “I’m not a reader. I’m not a book person. I’m a mom involved in my children’s education.”

      Funny how they always never think of ignore the fact that other moms (and dads) involved in their children’s education might want Little Janie/Johnny to read the book they’re trying to ban. Oh right….

      Reply
    53. 53.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      May 25, 2023 at 9:36 pm

      @sab:

      That’s so horrible for her and her family. 40 is pretty young. I’m so sorry

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Jackie

      May 25, 2023 at 9:37 pm

      @JaySinWA: Chris Hayes just covered that, but he doesn’t know why either. If Paxton’s voted out, he’ll have to step down temporarily while he’s at trial. It seems there’s a bunch of accusations as you said, but nothing pointing to the straw that was one too many.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 9:38 pm

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): She is one of the most resilient people I have ever met.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      MagdaInBlack

      May 25, 2023 at 9:38 pm

      @Kim Walker: I googled their websites, they’re everything you’d expect.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      hells littlest angel

      May 25, 2023 at 9:40 pm

      @Baud: We may, however, need a little more than six million bucks. What kind of insurance does he have?

      Reply
    58. 58.

      Another Scott

      May 25, 2023 at 9:40 pm

      @sab: I’m sorry.

      Hoping for the best.

      You’re right that life is fragile.

      Hang in there and best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      Villago Delenda Est

      May 25, 2023 at 9:40 pm

      @JaySinWA: I don’t know what has changed, but something has to bring it to this point.  Paxton has been corrupt since the moment he took the oath, but there’s something we don’t know going on here.  Or the stink has become just too great to ignore anymore.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Suzanne

      May 25, 2023 at 9:40 pm

      “I didn’t read the words.”

      Dafuq.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      mrmoshpotato

      May 25, 2023 at 9:40 pm

      @smith:

      All she needed to know was that it was written by Black woman. The fact that she got that woman’s identity wrong was immaterial. As was the fact that she didn’t read it. 

      Exactly.  We’re talking about a white trash Nazi shitstain after all.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      Suzanne

      May 25, 2023 at 9:41 pm

      @sab: I’m interested! Am I invited?

      Reply
    63. 63.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 9:42 pm

      @Kim Walker: Any relation to Moms for Liberty? My little city has a chapter, like we don’t have enough problems. They mostly stick to the entitled suburbs. The urban moms know how to fight for their kids. The suburban mom’s around here are nonplussed.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      Villago Delenda Est

      May 25, 2023 at 9:42 pm

      @mrmoshpotato: Latin surname.  Descended from Cuban gentry, perhaps?

      Reply
    65. 65.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 9:44 pm

      @Suzanne: Of course!! Pittsburgh isn’t that far, is it?

      You are sort of a star among jackals.

      Reply
    66. 66.

      JaySinWA

      May 25, 2023 at 9:45 pm

      @Another Scott: Hopefully the early adopters will have a better fate than some of the bionic eye recipients. What high tech gives finances can take away.

      https://spectrum.ieee.org/bionic-eye-obsolete#toggle-gdpr

      There was some talk about legal protections for tech developed and then abandoned specifically for people in these situations.

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Lyrebird

      May 25, 2023 at 9:47 pm

      @sab: Wow, hoping for a miracle and/or a chance to be helped by that new tech NotMax mentioned.  Best thoughts for your niece’s family too.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      HinTN

      May 25, 2023 at 9:50 pm

      @John Revolta:

      “I’m not a reader. I’m not a book person. I’m a mom involved in my children’s education.”

      “I don’t know shit but I can be wound up and spout like a fucking pro.”

      Yep

      Reply
    69. 69.

      geg6

      May 25, 2023 at 9:51 pm

      @sab:

      OMG, that’s horrible.  I hope she regains as much function as possible.  Any idea what it is?

      Reply
    70. 70.

      Ohio Mom

      May 25, 2023 at 9:54 pm

      @Citizen Alan: That’s what a reputation compulsion is, you reenact a trauma, hoping to resolve it. But of course it doesn’t work, traumatizing others does not free you of your own trauma.

      Reply
    71. 71.

      HinTN

      May 25, 2023 at 9:54 pm

      @Mike in NC: It’s a wonderful place, with gardens designed by the Central Park guy. After visiting 20 years ago I planted poplar trees alongside my drive (because those at Biltmore were magnificent). Now, I hear they have cut them down because they shed limbs in high wind and storms. Well, yeah, that’s what trees do. Fuck me running…

      Reply
    72. 72.

      JaySinWA

      May 25, 2023 at 9:55 pm

      @Villago Delenda Est: Or the stink has become just too great to ignore anymore.

      Yeah, no, I don’t think that is an option.

      There was one article that used the expression that the reports “shocked the conscience” of the politicians, as if that were possible given the pass he and others have been given in the past.

      He is likely to have crossed somebody or some group and they are trying to take the legs out from under him IMHO. But who?

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Badgetoon

      May 25, 2023 at 9:55 pm

      @sab: I’m sorry for your niece, this is terrifying. I got diagnosed with MS  at 31 by 34 I could barely walk down a flight of stairs. There were no drugs and not much I could do. But then a drug came and eventually I could walk again. These days while I live with it it doesn’t control my life. There might be hope eventually. That’s more for you then her. She doesn’t need to hear that now.

      What she needs now is to laugh in any way possible, any help you can provide her husband and kids obviously, god that just sucks. She and you have my prayers

      Reply
    74. 74.

      geg6

      May 25, 2023 at 9:55 pm

      @Suzanne:

      We could go together if the timing is right.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 9:56 pm

      @geg6: No idea. At first they guessed it was long covid. Now they think it may be a hereditary issue that just got much worse with her.  In other words ideopathic, Latin or Greek for they have no idea.

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Old School

      May 25, 2023 at 10:01 pm

      @sab: What an awful thing to have had happen.  Here’s hoping for the best for your niece.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      geg6

      May 25, 2023 at 10:01 pm

      @sab:

      Wow, so young!  Keeping her in my thoughts.  They really do perform medical miracles these days.  My oldest sister was diagnosed with Crohn’s back in 1970 and was told she wouldn’t live to see middle age.  She’s 72.  Still has all kinds of problems and complications, but she’s still with us.

      Reply
    78. 78.

      Redshift

      May 25, 2023 at 10:01 pm

      @JaySinWA: i saw a tweet saying he was accused of having an affair with a staffer for a state senator. And his wife is a state senator and will therefore be involved in the impeachment trial.

      Reply
    79. 79.

      Geminid

      May 25, 2023 at 10:01 pm

      @Mike in NC: The North Carolina State Arboretum is a nice, laid back place to visit. It’s on the western edge of Asheville, just off the Blue Ridge Parkway. Mt. Pisgah is a cool place too. It’s about 40 minutes west of Asheville, on the Parkway, and there is a fairly easy hike to the top. Plus a lodge with a restaurant.

      I ran between Virginia and Atlanta several times before the pandemic. The South Carolina portion of I-85 was a big construction zone then.. I guess  they finally finished I-85 and are now bedeviling the I-26 drivers.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Jeffro

      May 25, 2023 at 10:01 pm

      @waspuppet: all she needed to know was a) the poet was Black and b) the poem was read at Joe Biden’s inauguration.

      (hint: just ask her, snooze media.  she’ll tell you

      ETA or (for A, anyway) what Smith said at #14

      Reply
    81. 81.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 10:01 pm

      @geg6: Yikes. This might happen. We have been wishing for an Ohio (Columbus)  meetup for at least ten years. I suggested NE Ohio to Manyakitty and she stopped communicating. She was right! South of us it is ( hopefully.)

      ETA None of us care if it’s Ohio. Just somewhere local.

      I would happily go to Pittsburgh, but we never did find that giant duck or even the river. Your town is the Barberton of Pennsylvania. ( Local joke. Fine town, easy to get into, difficult to navigate out of because railroads.)

      Reply
    82. 82.

      karen marie

      May 25, 2023 at 10:01 pm

      @Mike in NC:   Not as many hours or miles involved but I had a similar sad experience yesterday.  After I went to the bank and the grocery store, I decided I deserved a trip to In ‘n Out.  My GPS (about six months old) told me there was one at a reasonably close location.  I drove FIVE WHOLE MILES to discover that there was not an In ‘n Out there.  It was a giant patch of dirt, on which no building has existed for decades, if ever.

      So sad for me.  I really wanted a cheeseburger

      I had to console myself with clam chowder I made my own self with potatoes, fresh corn, celery, carrot and onion.  (Yes, canned clams because I live so far from the ocean no “fresh” clam can decently be had.)

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Another Scott

      May 25, 2023 at 10:02 pm

      @JaySinWA:

      Long APNews.com story:

      […]

      What has unleashed the most serious risk to Paxton is his relationship with another wealthy donor, Austin real estate developer Nate Paul.

      Several of Paxton’s top aides in 2020 said they became concerned the attorney general was misusing the powers of his office to help Paul over unproven claims that an elaborate conspiracy to steal $200 million of his properties was afoot. The FBI searched Paul’s home in 2019 but he has not been charged and his attorneys have denied wrongdoing. Paxton also told staff members that he had an affair with a woman who, it later emerged, worked for Paul.

      Paxton’s aides accused him of corruption and were all fired or quit after reporting him to the FBI. Four sued under Texas’ whistleblower laws, accusing Paxton of wrongful retaliation, and in February agreed to settle the case for $3.3 million. But the Texas House must approve the payout and Phelan has said he doesn’t think taxpayers should foot the bill.

      Shortly after the settlement was reached, the House investigation into Paxton began. The probe amounted to rare scrutiny of Paxton in the state Capitol, where many Republicans have long taken a muted posture about the accusations that have followed the attorney general.

      Only twice has the Texas House impeached a sitting official: Gov. James Ferguson in 1917 and state Judge O.P. Carrillo in 1975.

      FWIW.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    84. 84.

      Redshift

      May 25, 2023 at 10:02 pm

      Here’s the thread:

      https://twitter.com/JessicaHuseman/status/1661856225129033728?t=ILsR98k-xgpU0L-5boXlhw&s=19

      I’m on my phone, so I can’t embed.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      Suzanne

      May 25, 2023 at 10:03 pm

      @geg6: Ooooh I’d be down!

      Reply
    86. 86.

      NotMax

      May 25, 2023 at 10:04 pm

      @ HinTN

      “Thinking? We don’t need no es-stinking thinking.”

      Reply
    87. 87.

      prostratedragon

      May 25, 2023 at 10:04 pm

      @sab:  What a terrifying mystery. Hope that the rehab works and that some good thetapy comes along.

      Reply
    88. 88.

      sdhays

      May 25, 2023 at 10:09 pm

      Ms. Salinas is obviously a piece of shit, but she isn’t the problem. There will always be shitty parents. The problem is that the school district has outsourced its judgement to the shittiest illiterate person who contacts them.

      Maybe they have no choice, but don’t they have the option to deny challenges?

      Reply
    89. 89.

      Jeffro

      May 25, 2023 at 10:10 pm

      Btw this is going to be good – I hope they duke it out for 18 months over who’s less/more “woke”, too far “left”, etc.  Via WaPo:

      DeSantis showed a new willingness to hit back at Trump in a slew of interviews following his launch, following months of veiled jabs.

      “Well, obviously he’s attacking me from the left,” the Republican governor told a Tennessee radio station during one of several interviews on Thursday.

      Trump, meanwhile, continued to ridicule DeSantis’s glitchy campaign launch. “I don’t know that you can recover from that,” he told reporters on Thursday as he played golf at his course in Northern Virginia. A a spokesman for the pro-Trump super PAC MAGA Inc., Alex Pfeiffer, said in a statement that “DeSantis was still not able to raise enough money to make up for his botched campaign launch.”

      DeSantis has told supporters he expects to ramp up his jabs at Trump but meet the former president’s relentless and often personal attacks with more select rebuttals focused on policy — rather than “get in the gutter” with Trump, as one donor put it while recounting a conversation with DeSantis.

      Keep going, Ron, you’ve almost got his number!  LOLOL

      Reply
    90. 90.

      geg6

      May 25, 2023 at 10:10 pm

      @Suzanne:

      Let’s see the date(s) and we’ll make a plan.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      Suzanne

      May 25, 2023 at 10:13 pm

      @geg6: Yeah yeah. I have a few short trips this summer. Hopefully it works out.

      Reply
    92. 92.

      JaySinWA

      May 25, 2023 at 10:14 pm

      @Another Scott: Thanks.

      I have seen that as well. It doesn’t really explain the leg getting involved. I could see them letting him alone unless there is some tie in to the Leg itself that they need to get some separation from, or someone with influence in the Leg has a grudge to settle.

      Wife’s revenge would seem to be a stretch since she’s in the Senate and the house is taking action.

      Reply
    93. 93.

      geg6

      May 25, 2023 at 10:14 pm

      @sab:

      Pittsburgh is a terrible city to drive in for non-locals.  I freely admit it.  Otherwise it’s a beautiful, walkable distinctive place.  Once you get there, that is.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      Suzanne

      May 25, 2023 at 10:15 pm

      @karen marie: I miss In n Out! There was one right down the street from me in Chandler.

      Reply
    95. 95.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 10:17 pm

      @geg6: Send me or manyakitty your hopeful date. I don’t know how to do ths but mattyakitty is game and undoubetedly more experienced.  Plus when we get official there is Watergirl.

      Ten years I have been waiting for this.

      Reply
    96. 96.

      Dan B

      May 25, 2023 at 10:18 pm

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):  These people, like the Ohio folks of my youth, think that Europe is filled with strange foreigners.  Much of flyover country is 50% people who have never left the county they were born in.

      Reply
    97. 97.

      Baud

      May 25, 2023 at 10:19 pm

      @Jeffro:

      more select rebuttals focused on policy — rather than “get in the gutter” with Trump

       
      If he weren’t a fascist, I’d feel sorry for him.

      Reply
    98. 98.

      Ohio Mom

      May 25, 2023 at 10:19 pm

      @sab: How terrible!

      Is there a national advocacy group or foundation for this rare disease? A Facebook group? When you have something rare, you have to look for other experts — which could very well be other patients — you can’t rely on your local doctors to be your guides.

      Let’s hope this miserable malady has ceased progressing.

      Reply
    99. 99.

      Ohio Mom

      May 25, 2023 at 10:23 pm

       

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Don’t you want to come to the meet-up in Columbus? I’ve always wanted to meet you!

      Reply
    100. 100.

      karen marie

      May 25, 2023 at 10:23 pm

      @Redshift:

      … Paxton admitted the affair to his senior staff in 2018. Paxton allegedly said he ended the affair and that the mistress worked for an unidentified Republican state senator. Paxton’s wife is state Senator Angela Paxton, R-McKinney. The sources said Paxton and his wife walked into the meeting holding hands, saying he was recommitted to his marriage.

      Right.  Yeah, okay.

      No wonder these people support Trump.  They’re all morally bankrupt.  And that includes Paxton’s wife.

      Reply
    101. 101.

      karen marie

      May 25, 2023 at 10:26 pm

      @Suzanne:   I shouldn’t have brought it up, because now I again want an In ‘n Out cheeseburger, and it’s too far and it’s almost dark and I have leftover clam chowder to eat.

      The hardships continue to pile up!

      Reply
    102. 102.

      mvr

      May 25, 2023 at 10:26 pm

      On the day the Supreme Court (opinion by Alito) guts the Clean Water Act by ignoring the literal meaning of its provisions with Roberts agreeing (and Kavanaugh – yes, Kavanaugh – eviscerating their argument) I come repeatedly back to an open thread, looking for well-earned Scotus bashing and read not a word.  I’ll wait for the next one, but anything that undercuts the legitimacy of this court seems like it only moves us forward.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      Suzanne

      May 25, 2023 at 10:28 pm

      @karen marie: Last summer when we were in the Bay Area visiting family, we all craved In n Out and made a stop. I don’t even like burgers very much and I love them.

      Reply
    104. 104.

      Dan B

      May 25, 2023 at 10:29 pm

      @sab: I worked one summer in Barberton at the chemical factory where my father worked for decades.  Lovely (not) at least around the plentiful factories

      When I told Seattleites I was from Ohio they’d say, “Where they grow corn.”  I’d say “That’s Iowa.  Ohio grows factories.”  Not sure if that’s true anymore.

      Reply
    105. 105.

      Super Dave

      May 25, 2023 at 10:34 pm

      I think it’s past time to start objecting to having the Bible on school library shelves. After all, it’s chock full of stories with violence, murder, and sex in them. That can’t possibly be age appropriate for school age children. Let the book banning sword swing a different direction and see what the fascists have to say about that!

      Reply
    106. 106.

      CaseyL

      May 25, 2023 at 10:36 pm

      @sab: That’s awful.  I do hope they find a therapy that works, and I damned well hope her employer can offer and has offered her paid FMLA.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      prostratedragon

      May 25, 2023 at 10:40 pm

      Musical antidote from the score of Do the Right Thing by Bill Lee:

      “Father to Son”
      “Mookie”

      Reply
    108. 108.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 10:43 pm

      @Dan B: Still is. We grow dead factories.

      They might be reviving. Men need to know  what thwy are working foe and why.

      Reply
    109. 109.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 10:45 pm

      @Dan B: Pretty much true still. Just because yhe factories died.

      Reply
    110. 110.

      Raoul Paste

      May 25, 2023 at 10:51 pm

      @sab: I hope you have a first rate neurologist.  It made all the difference in getting a definitive diagnosis for my sister.  God, this world is uncertain.

      Reply
    111. 111.

      Amir Khalid

      May 25, 2023 at 10:54 pm

      Daily Salinas’ application to ban Amanda Gorman’s poem should have been summarily rejected just for getting the poet’s name wrong. Why wasn’t it?

      Reply
    112. 112.

      sab

      May 25, 2023 at 10:56 pm

      @Dan B: Ohio where they pollute everyting?

      Reply
    113. 113.

      rikyrah

      May 25, 2023 at 11:09 pm

       

      Lizzo does a Tina Turner tribute 😔👏🏾

      https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREnKyNV/?t=1

      Reply
    114. 114.

      rikyrah

      May 25, 2023 at 11:16 pm

       

      Not me seeing this baby’s tear stained face watching The Little Mermaid 😔😔🥺

      https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREnKka5/?t=1

      Reply
    115. 115.

      Manyakitty

      May 25, 2023 at 11:18 pm

      @sab: this is going to be great!

      Reply
    116. 116.

      Manyakitty

      May 25, 2023 at 11:21 pm

      @KateP: suggest a location

      Reply
    117. 117.

      Odie Hugh Manatee

      May 25, 2023 at 11:21 pm

      @JaySinWA:

      Check out Beau of the Fifth Column as he has a clip up on Youtube explaining what is going on that sums it up fairly well.

      Reply
    118. 118.

      Manyakitty

      May 25, 2023 at 11:22 pm

      @Suzanne: I’m interested in your fancy pasta!

      Reply
    119. 119.

      Manyakitty

      May 25, 2023 at 11:24 pm

      @sab: hey, I thought you stopped! Lolol

      Reply
    120. 120.

      Omnes Omnibus

      May 25, 2023 at 11:30 pm

      @Suzanne: There is a bar called Out-R-Inn near the OSU campus in Columbus if that helps.

      Reply
    121. 121.

      Fake Irishman

      May 25, 2023 at 11:36 pm

      @geg6:

      My mom grew up in South Fayetteville township. The hairpin turns were something. Also the whole getting around or through Mt. Washington thing was always entertaining.

      Reply
    122. 122.

      Fake Irishman

      May 25, 2023 at 11:39 pm

      @Dan B:

      My wife is from western Ohio (from a place I suspect is really near Kay). There is a shocking amount of both corn and factories out there. A good number of her uncles and even a considerable number of her cousins worked/work in either manufacturing or farming or both.

      Reply
    123. 123.

      columbusqueen

      May 25, 2023 at 11:39 pm

      @sab: Yes, I’m interested.

      Reply
    124. 124.

      Fake Irishman

      May 25, 2023 at 11:41 pm

      @Manyakitty:

      I would love to come to this as I grew up in NE Ohio, but my current home in. Texas is a bit far…

      Reply
    125. 125.

      columbusqueen

      May 25, 2023 at 11:47 pm

      @columbusqueen: Btw, let me know what kind of place you’d like to meet at, & I should be able to come up with suggestions.

      Reply
    126. 126.

      Westyny

      May 25, 2023 at 11:51 pm

      @sab: Just an awful thing to hear.  I’m keeping your family and especially your niece in my thoughts.

      Reply
    127. 127.

      Manyakitty

      May 25, 2023 at 11:54 pm

      @Fake Irishman: send up a jackal signal if you ever get out this way.

      Reply
    128. 128.

      TEL

      May 26, 2023 at 12:10 am

      @sab: My mom had her first major MS attack at about that age. Over half of her body was paralyzed. It took around 6 months for her to start to recover with therapy. She thankfully has the relapsing-remitting form of MS, so has been very fortunate. It was terrifying for the first few months – not knowing what was happening, or how bad the loss of function may get, or if recovery was possible. I am so sorry that your niece is having to go through that.

      Reply
    129. 129.

      twbrandt

      May 26, 2023 at 12:37 am

      @Dan B: I live in Michigan, and having driven back and forth from the Michigan/Ohio border to the Ohio/Kentucky border along I-75 a number of times, I can tell you that a whole lot of corn is grown in Ohio.

      Reply
    130. 130.

      NotMax

      May 26, 2023 at 1:10 am

      @Jeffro

      IIRC the launch of the (so-called) Truth Social was riddled with problems, glitches and outages.

      Reply
    131. 131.

      BellyCat

      May 26, 2023 at 7:09 am

      Kids want cookies when forbidden. This ploy may actually create avid readers.

      Reply
    132. 132.

      Betty

      May 26, 2023 at 7:36 am

      @sab: What a stunning tragedy. It’s frightening that they don’t understand what happened.  Praying she gets help to recover.

      Reply
    133. 133.

      Paul in KY

      May 26, 2023 at 10:53 am

      @Ohio Mom: I bet her family were one of the Cubans who oppressed under Batista. Got to get that vibe back!

      Reply
    134. 134.

      Paul in KY

      May 26, 2023 at 11:28 am

      @sab: So sorry to hear that. The poor woman.

      Reply
    135. 135.

      Paul in KY

      May 26, 2023 at 12:02 pm

      @Manyakitty: There’s about a bazillion restaurants in Columbus. Alot of them on one street.

      Reply

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