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The Russians once again, or, perhaps, continue to open up at Kyiv and the rest of Ukraine as night gives way to day.
Every Ukrainian's rage is directed at every terrorist.
Last night, russians attacked Ukraine with 31 Iranian-made Shahed drones.
According to @KpsZSU, Ukraine’s air defense shot down 29 of them.
The vast majority of drones were destroyed in the skies above Kyiv and Kyiv region.… pic.twitter.com/WIpLfBbewe— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) May 30, 2023
Full text of the Ukrainian MOD’s tweet above:
Every Ukrainian’s rage is directed at every terrorist.
Last night, russians attacked Ukraine with 31 Iranian-made Shahed drones.
According to @KpsZSU, Ukraine’s air defense shot down 29 of them.
The vast majority of drones were destroyed in the skies above Kyiv and Kyiv region.📸 Pavlo Petrov
This is Kyiv today.
We’ve said it before.
We’ll say it again.
russia is a terrorist state.
And will be dealt with accordingly.📷 Valentyn Ogirenko / Reuters pic.twitter.com/BiJbZNiueq
— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) May 30, 2023
We work 🫡 pic.twitter.com/5TYW7QesQm
— Ukrainian Air Force (@KpsZSU) May 30, 2023
Here is President Zelenskyy’s address from earlier today. Video below, English transcript after the jump:
We continue consolidating partners to make Ukrainian air defense as effective as possible – address by the President of Ukraine
30 May 2023 – 22:11
Good health to you, fellow Ukrainians!
A brief report on this day. A pretty loud day.
First, I thank our Air Force and all the defenders of the sky for repelling another night raid by Russian drones.
Again and again, I thank our warriors for every downed Shahed, for every downed Russian missile. Because it always means saved lives, saved infrastructure.
Second, unfortunately, there were hits, unfortunately, there were falling debris with the corresponding consequences, unfortunately, there were losses… My condolences!
It is very, very important to take air raid alerts into account and not to take them carelessly.
I want all the local authorities responsible for specific communities and territories to hear me now.
Shelters in cities should be accessible. People need to understand when and how the number and availability of shelters will increase.
This is the responsibility of specific officials, and it is a specific responsibility.
Third, we continue to consolidate our partners to make Ukrainian air defense as effective as possible. Russian terror must be defeated every day and every night, in every region of Ukraine, in the skies of every Ukrainian city and village. When any attack by Russian terrorists ends in failure for the terrorists, their defeats will become a source of our long-term security.
Today I spoke with German Chancellor Scholz, in particular about air defense.
I thanked him for the air defense systems already provided to Ukraine, that is, for the lives of our people already saved by Germany. We also discussed the overall defense situation and our security cooperation.
On the eve of important international events that will take place shortly, we are coming up with common positions and decisions. And I thank Olaf, Mr. Chancellor, for his personal determination, which in many ways becomes the determination of the whole of Europe.
Fourth, I spoke with representatives of the powerful British defense company BAE Systems. This is a truly large-scale weapons manufacturer – the weapons that we need now and that we will need in the future to ensure the security of our country and the entire region.
We are working to create an appropriate base for production and repair in Ukraine. We are talking about a wide range of weapons: from tanks to artillery.
We will provide Ukraine, and thus the whole of Europe, with this new foundation of strength.
Fifth, today I met with the delegation of one of the world’s leading think tanks, the American Atlantic Council. It was a good, useful conversation to protect our common values, those of everyone in the world who cherishes freedom.
I informed the Atlantic Council representatives about our current main defense needs in the confrontation. We discussed the steps that bring the creation of a new aviation coalition closer. We are steadily moving closer to this result – to providing our warriors with modern fighter jets. And I thank all the people of the United States, each and every one in the political community who supports us, I thank President Biden personally and both parties in Congress.
Now, in Ukraine, on our land, in our sky, it is being decided whether freedom and civilization will retain global leadership in this century. Decided by us, together with America, together with Europe, together with all our allies and partners. I thank everyone in the world who helps us!
And, of course, today, as always, I thank our warriors. All those who are now fighting for Ukraine. All those who are on combat missions. At combat posts. The Avdiivka sector, Bakhmut, Maryinka, Shakhtarsk sector. I thank everyone who defends our positions in Luhansk and Kharkiv regions. I am grateful to each and every one who defends Zaporizhzhia and Kherson region. I thank everyone who keeps our border strong.
Our brigades that are fighting. Our brigades that are ready to move forward. And our intelligence. Our security forces. On all fronts and at all levels, the enemy must feel that Ukraine has become stronger.
Glory to our heroes!
Glory to Ukraine!
More on the Russian bombardment:
Russia: *bombs Ukraine into the stone age for the last year and a half, several major cities razed to the ground, the country’s east turned into a wasteland, the capital city had 3 major missile & drone attacks within 24 hours*
Ukraine: *leaves a scratch on a posh Moscow mansion*…— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) May 30, 2023
Here’s the full text of Ponomarenko’s tweet:
Russia: *bombs Ukraine into the stone age for the last year and a half, several major cities razed to the ground, the country’s east turned into a wasteland, the capital city had 3 major missile & drone attacks within 24 hours*
Ukraine: *leaves a scratch on a posh Moscow mansion*
Russia: *AAAAAAAAAAAHH! The Kiev regime’s act of terror! What’s the point in striking civilian buildings, that’s pure terrorism! Look what they’ve done to us! And the world is doing nothing to stop this genocide!*
The Sleepless Nights in Kyiv is not really about just terrorizing Ukraine's civilian population. I think even Russians at this point have realized that just doesn't work as it has never worked throughout history.
They are trying to undermine our military's counteroffensive…— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) May 30, 2023
And the full text of his second tweet:
The Sleepless Nights in Kyiv is not really about just terrorizing Ukraine’s civilian population. I think even Russians at this point have realized that just doesn’t work as it has never worked throughout history. They are trying to undermine our military’s counteroffensive preparations across the country and also exhaust our air defense capabilities so our advancing forces would be far more vulnerable when the time comes. The next few weeks should show if Russia’s new bombing campaign was successful in this regard.
Moscow, Russia:
Moscow came under attack by several drones on Tuesday morning, exposing the Russian capital’s vulnerability to retaliation over President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. https://t.co/cnlwemVP0F via @FT pic.twitter.com/VnOK0Ii4Wc
— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) May 30, 2023
Rob Lee has a detailed thread with videos.
Russian channels are saying that air defenses around Moscow are trying to shoot down UAVs. They look like the same UAVs used in Krasnodar and one was reportedly armed with a KZ-6. https://t.co/M3liGqHFrMhttps://t.co/UdoHcEKhuRhttps://t.co/5f7TAek6iRhttps://t.co/vkMcHUKyaq pic.twitter.com/bC2dfulp7r
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) May 30, 2023
Baza claims more than 10 UAVs have been shot down. 3/https://t.co/nKKv4swxQVhttps://t.co/XtuAiRdC7vhttps://t.co/6vTYMUvczM pic.twitter.com/gZyYZtSOmB
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) May 30, 2023
Video of one of the UAVs. 5/https://t.co/dgTVmIqH3C pic.twitter.com/L0d5gA0PNM
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) May 30, 2023
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) May 30, 2023
Another video and an explosion. The Shot telegram channel claims that, according to preliminary information, more than 30 UAVs were used. 9/https://t.co/a5L4qRYso3https://t.co/s9k0mXDrSZhttps://t.co/0FNJN06MHu pic.twitter.com/JYvcHpldzR
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) May 30, 2023
Same video without the watermark and crop. 11/https://t.co/O8NZ8NTcDm pic.twitter.com/B9ksAhrgJB
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) May 30, 2023
Videos showing UAV wreckage. 13/https://t.co/zYBzmSeRUhhttps://t.co/otVQjsGuiyhttps://t.co/OsSMOi6SSYhttps://t.co/ogxc0ko55c pic.twitter.com/HHp9hPzEpj
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) May 30, 2023
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) May 30, 2023
Putin* got out of his bunker to say the Moscow air defence operated satisfyingly stopping the drone attack this morning, though areas of improvement remain. When it comes to Russia's richest people's houses, it was important for Putin to make a statement and reassure them.
He… pic.twitter.com/rl1ilKdH0M
— Dmitri (@wartranslated) May 30, 2023
Here’s the full text of Dmitri’s tweet:
Putin* got out of his bunker to say the Moscow air defence operated satisfyingly stopping the drone attack this morning, though areas of improvement remain. When it comes to Russia’s richest people’s houses, it was important for Putin to make a statement and reassure them. He also didn’t miss the opportunity to mention Ukrainian nuclear weapons, and even said that Ukraine launched a terror campaign against its own civilians preventing them from speaking publically (??). *Accused of war crimes, kidnapping children.
Out of area man has thoughts:
An angry statement from Prigozhin regarding the unexplained incident with unidentified UAVs that crashed in Moscow this morning. pic.twitter.com/NJ4ZPaoPM9
— Dmitri (@wartranslated) May 30, 2023
Tara Reade, writer of gushing encomiums to Putin, has moved to Moscow, is seeking Russian citizenship, and is being assisted by Marina Butinaa.
As a reminder, US journalist Evan Gershkovich is still under arrest and Brittney Griner was released only after a prisoner exchange. Why would any American going to Russia have feel safe?…Ah https://t.co/bdJXniEP23
— Don Moynihan (@donmoyn) May 30, 2023
John Scott-Railton has more. First tweet from the thread, the rest from the Thread Reader App:
https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1663621144145002500
Tara Reade just spent much of her 🇷🇺on camera time pushing right wing talking points about the 2024 US election.
Reade is just another American that has discovered the formula:
Go to 🇷🇺Russia & echo gov propaganda… and the government will make sure you get all the flattery you can eat.
By Reade’s telling she was so blown away by 🇷🇺Russian cuisine & museums while in town for an interview… that the decision was spontaneous.
Hope America can survive the grifter brain drain to 🇷🇺Russia.
Who could’ve possible known?
Pretty much everyone who was paying attention.
That’s enough for tonight.
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Meet Fougasse. The tankers call him a non-staff psychologist of the 92nd brigade.
This puppy was born on the front lines. He now serves in the #UAarmy and attends troops formation every morning.📷 @armyinformcomua/ Olga Vikarchuk pic.twitter.com/qndVAKzuqO
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Open thread!
Old School
Fougasse needs his own social media accounts. He’s adorable!
different-church-lady
She’s gonna love being deployed to the front lines in Bakhmut!
Sanjeevs
Thanks for all your updates Adam.
Been watching a series called The Troubles : A Secret History about how the various British Intelligence services tried to counter the IRA. It’s very good and it might interest you.
https://youtu.be/R3scz1KD9eE
Adam L Silverman
@Sanjeevs: Thanks! I’ll give it a look.
And thanks for the kind words. You’re most welcome.
Jay
NAFO Meme Machine is kicking it today,
https://twitter.com/NAFOMemesCenter
Should be even better tomorrow,
Joe Falco
“Everyone could see this coming…”
Even Sarah Palin!
Adam L Silverman
@Joe Falco: Well she can see Russia from her house.
Alison Rose
Dang, that’s a great line.
I swear, if as a child you asked me to imagine what the monster under my bed would look like as a person, I’d have drawn something eerily similar to prigozhin. That man is a good example of inner ugliness showing on the outside.
As I said in the thread below re: Reade, feeling safe in russia is the reddest flag ever. But whatevs, no one here will miss your lying ass. Is she gonna try to become putin’s mistress? I assume he already has a few, but go for it, girl. Live the dream.
Thank you as always, Adam.
Jay
different-church-lady
I am sad to say I lost track of Scott Ritter’s biography since Iraq.
I am also sad to say I have now caught up on Scott Ritter’s biography since Iraq. (ugggg…)
Jay
Jay
@different-church-lady:
yup
https://twitter.com/P_Kallioniemi/status/1621048526498336768
He has a full indexed searchable website,
https://vatniksoup.com/
Jay
Bill Arnold
(From the Reade thread below.)
T. Reade fluffed PutinRussia in this 2018 medium post, and deleted it when it surfaced during the anti-Biden op she was involved in, and my link to a copy of it at web.archive.org doesn’t work (additional cleanup, perhaps). This link still works:
Bring on the Light (Dec 17, 2018, Alexandra Tara Reade)
@Alison Rose:
Laughed out loud, for real.
PJ
It seems like Ms. Reade has succumbed to what historians call “the Snowden Effect” – to be so overcome by the cuisine and artifacts of Russia that one spontaneously decides to stay there and seek citizenship. (Previously known as “the Philby Effect”.)
JaySinWA
Well I for one wasn’t paying attention to Tara Reade and was surprised by this announcement. Snowden I can kind of understand, fleeing probable prosecution. Tara doesn’t seem to have the same sort of risks outside of her own paranoia, but then again I have not been paying attention.
JaySinWA
@PJ: Did Snowden use those lines? I was under the impression he was corralled into going to Russia by his handlers and then tried to make the best of it.
Jay
@JaySinWA:
it’s just grift. Moscovia will pay her to be there, where her grifting opportunities in the US had dried up.
JaySinWA
@Jay: She must have hit some real hard times to make Moscow payola look attractive. Of course the first taste is probably a lot sweeter than the full meal. I can’t imagine her propaganda value is going to keep her beyond subsistence payments after a few months.
zhena gogolia
@Bill Arnold: she’s not his type
Sebastian
From the looks of it, Butina seems not very enthusiastic about her job.
Roger Moore
@JaySinWA:
You shouldn’t ignore the possibility she is suffering from delusions of persecution. I can totally imagine someone who already had some tendency in that direction being afraid for their life after making accusations like the ones Reade made. It doesn’t mean that fear is justified, but it could very easily be real.
Jay
@JaySinWA:
she will get free room, a biggie given she couldn’t even pay $200 a month for a stall in a horse barn. Here a walk in closet is $800.
she will set up a substack, a buy me a coffee, a bunch of ways to get $2.50 at a time from a bunch of the tankies, vatnicks and Biden haterz out there, which will add up to quite a few $K a month.
A poster I go to almost every day, bleg’s $3-$4k a month, which is more than enough in Costa Rica.
The same sort of grifting will provide an upper middle class income for a no talent grifter in Moscovia.
YY_Sima Qian
I get Soviet spyings wanting to escape to Moscow during the early to mid-Cold War. Many of them were committed Communists. The USSR was still a functioning state back then, & showing relatively rapid economic growth after WW II. Why would anyone want to go to the Russian Federation now?
Halffasthero
So. Anything happen since I was last here?
Roger Moore
@YY_Sima Qian:
It clearly has attractions for dedicated White supremacists and anti-LGBTQ+ bigots. Don’t dismiss their willingness to see what Putin wants them to see rather than what is.
MagdaInBlack
@zhena gogolia: Not a blonde, blue eyed gymnast?
Jay
@YY_Sima Qian:
@Roger Moore:
average annual income in Moscovia is $5,500 and change.
Toss in the free rent from the State and maybe a “pension” for “services”,….
YY_Sima Qian
@Roger Moore: True, but I would have thought they would want to work on establishing reactionary authoritarianism to the US, rather than escaping to the Putinist paradise. Of course, some of these grifters are not interested in work of any kind.
YY_Sima Qian
@Jay: You mean monthly income of $5,500, right?
Jay
@YY_Sima Qian:
Annual, that’s why Mom’s sell their sons for Lada’s, and their son’s, if they live steal toilets in Ukraine.
The Moar You Know
The best thing in Russia is the airport, which you can use to leave Russia.
Chetan Murthy
@YY_Sima Qian: Doubt it. $5.5k/mo is …. >$60k/yr. That’s a good bit higher than the US median income.
Chetan Murthy
Watching Prigo and that war criminal Strelkov/Girkin (but then, they’re both war criminals), I’m struck that they *almost* seem to get it when it comes to their own country. Of course, they’re still brutal imperialists who think nothing of snuffing out lives anywhere else, but still, at some level, they get that their own country is a goddamn mess.
It’s such a pity they’ll never understand that the imperialism they practice and preach, is tied-up with why their homeland is such a godforsaken shithole.
Adam L Silverman
@Halffasthero: Not really.
YY_Sima Qian
@Chetan Murthy: But average annual income of US$5.5K is approximately lower middle income economy by global standards. An average line worker in a factory in China (even in the interior part of the country) makes more than that. The minimum wage in China is US$365 / mo, or US$4.38K.
At least before the sanctions, Russia was considered a high middle income economy, & Moscow/Saint Petersburg should be by far the highest income regions in Russia. The proper comparison w/ Moscow should be NYC/London/Paris/Frankfurt, not large countries as a whole. The average annual incomes in Beijing & Shanghai are ~ US$45K. Even Mumbai is ~ US$7.3K.
Jay
@YY_Sima Qian:
which is why Tara will do fine. If she can pull in $4K online a month she will be better off than most. That’s why all the grifters, incel edgelords and worse, move to certain countries, aside from the extradition treaties.
Sure, the amenities are crap, the cars are dressed up Lada’s, there is more gold paint than a Trump toilet, and the alcohol is 50% wood grain,………. but you look like a baller to the simps online,…..
Chetan Murthy
@YY_Sima Qian: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/russia/annual-household-income-per-capita#:~:text=Russia%20Annual%20Household%20Income%20per,averaged%20value%20of%205%2C523.525%20USD.
Mike in Pasadena
In case you missed it, Putin was quoted asserting that Ukraine is a terrorist state because two drones hit a Moscow apartment building causing minimal damage. Pot meet kettle.
Jay
@YY_Sima Qian:
Moscow and Saint Petersburg get skewed by all the billionaires.
Like here, we have the 2nd highest “average incomes” in Canada, with the highest costs of living in Canada.
80% of “us”, the ones that keep the city running, don’t make a living wage. The “average” wage here is $155,461. The “median” wage is $38,452. The “living wage” as of 2022, before rent inflation, food inflation, all the other inflations was $50k and change.
Andrya
@Jay: I am emphatically not an expert on economics, but I tried a bit of research using Google and other websites (probably not super-authoritative tools). Results as follows:
Google: average monthly income in Moscow is 128,300 rubles ($1611 US dollars) or $19,330 per year.
Salary Explorer and also Time Doctor: 124,000 rubles ($1557 per month, $18,684 per year).
It’s also important to consider that russia has very high income inequality, so it makes a difference whether the word “average” is being used to indicate the mean or the median (the midpoint of the data). When a small number of rich people will be hoarding most of the money, the mean will be much larger than the median.
ETA: Jay beat me to it.
Jay
@Mike in Pasadena:
it was a slovi occupied apartment building in the billionaires zone, so,………
YY_Sima Qian
@Chetan Murthy: I read the same webpage from Google search, but that is Russia as a whole. Frankly I am shocked by how low Russian income has been even before the sanctions.
However, Moscow would be much higher than Russia as a whole, just like NYC is much higher than the US as a whole. I don’t think avg. monthly income in Moscow is as high as US$5.5K, but I don’t think avg. annual income is as low as that, either.
@Jay: If you meant the Russian Federation by “Muscovya”, then yes, US$5.5K is not far off.
Of course, when it comes to economic metrics, there are a lot of differences between avg. vs. median, individual vs. household, urban vs. metropolitan, nominal dollars vs. Purchasing Power Parity.
NutmegAgain
@Old School: Truly–what a snorgle puppy!
Carlo Graziani
@Jay: The math doesn’t work that way.
If Moscow (a city of 12M people) has, say, 1000 billionaire oligarchs (wild overestimate for the sake of argument) then those oligarchs need a mean income approximately 1200 times that of the mean ordinary person income to even begin moving the needle. If the average Muscovite is making $40k/year, those 1000 oligarchs need to average $60M/year to make the average come out to ($40k × 12M + $60,000k × 1000) / (12M + 1000) = $45k.
I’m pretty sure that the mean income of the richest 1000 people in Moscow is less than $60M per annum.
Carlo Graziani
@YY_Sima Qian:
I think your (entirely justified) point should really be cast as “why would any Russian citizen feel an ideological commitment to Putinism.” As others point out already, there is enough of a financial incentive to attract handfuls of foreign talent. But really, why would any Russian be patriotic today?
It’s a serious question, and it applies across Rusdian society, even to the nationalist loons. Patriotism is more than fandom, it has a component of duty, obligation, self-sacrifice. In the Soviet Union there were once millions of believing patriots, who felt that there was an important set of Marxist-Leninist ideals that deserved their personal commitment.
Not so much today. Putinism is a fish that rots from the head. Everyone in any position of power directly experiences the universal kleptocracy that is Russian governance and economic management, not least through the example of Putin himself, now reckoned one of the wealthiest individual on the planet. From government security and defense officials, to other state bureaucratic positions, to state-sponsored industry, to private commercial banking, etc., a job conferring any power is understood as a monetization opportunity. Illegal rents are everywhere, and recognized as part of the background of life everywhere.
And so, why shouldn’t a base commander sell his base construction materials on the open market? Why shouldn’t an FSB official sell state secrets to the CIA? Why should a telecoms official not ease NSA access to national communications networks in exchange for a handsome compensation package? They’re just doing what everyone all the way up the hierarchy to the very top does: treating their power and access as a monetizable asset. Putin himself is the poster child for such kleptocratic practice. How could he expect less of his underlings?
The contrast with Iran (say) is quite striking. Iran is a deeply corrupt society, but the despicable ideology of the Mullahs still commands sufficient societal support to permit the Iranian government to hire dedicated, patriotic officials, scientists, engineers, spies, cops, etc. to make that country a challenging regional adversary. Russia has nothing like that sort ideology to which personal commitment can be fastened.
Russian corruption deserves a different term, to distinguish it from “ordinary” national cultures of corrupt practice. It’s kleptocracy at work here, not mere corruption. And that kleptocracy has robbed the Russian state of the resource of patriotism that even minor despotisms usually can count on. That even the Soviet Union had in abundance, by comparison.
Carlo Graziani
By the way, Adam, I really like the way you’ve been unrolling Twitter threads here for us, so that we can digest the argument here rather than head off to Twitter. I assume that doing so adds to your work in creating these summaries, but the result is a greatly improved experience for us. So thanks for doing that.
NutmegAgain
@PJ: “It was an aesthetic choice as much as anything else. The West has become so terribly ugly.” So says mole and Kim Philby character Bill Hadon in Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy*, to protagonist/hero/George Smiley. * Novel by John le Carre, most recent film version came out in 2011. It’s a terrific movie, and recommended if you missed it. All this Soviet era seems somehow relevant now.
Andrya
@Carlo Graziani: Ooooh, math!!! Fun, fun, fun! I’m not convinced the median income in Moscow is as low as $5000 – $6000 a year, but I don’t think the math excludes it if we put a bit more granularity into our model. My model is based on San Francisco, which has a similar issue with inequality (although almost no one in SF except live-in household help has an income as low as $6000 per year).
My model divides the data into 6 classes:
Multi-billionaires: they number 500, yearly income (each) is $16,000,000, total income for class is 8 trillion dollars.
Billionaires: they number 5000, yearly income (each) is $400,000, total income for class is 2 trillion dollars.
Millionaires: they number 20,000, yearly income (each) is 200,000, total income for class is 4 trillion dollars.
Professionals: they number 800,000 (oligarchs need a lot of professionals to pamper them), yearly income (each) is $80,000, total income of class is 64 trillion dollars.
Non-professional middle class: they number 2,000,000, yearly income (each) is $40,000, total income of class is 80 trillion dollars,
Serfs: they number 9,174,500, yearly income (each) is $6000, total income for class is $55,047,000,000.
Total number of residents: 12 million
Total income: $213,047,000,000
Mean (average) income: $17,754
Median (midpoint) income: $6000
Again, I don’t think the median is as low as $6000, but I don’t think the math excludes it.
It also occurs to me that the phrase “resident of Moscow” might be a bit ambiguous. San Francisco has a lot of empty extremely ritzy houses that the owners only visit occasionally. (This contributes to the housing shortage.)
Andrya
@Andrya: I should have mentioned that I do think $40k mean is too high for a $6k median, but I do think a mean just under $20k (which my sources gave) is plausible.
And here’s another problem: can we believe any economic data coming out of russia? At all?
Carlo Graziani
@Andrya: Very cool. I’m rather interested in income distribution, but I don’t really know where to find the data to fit such things. I’ve assumed that income distributions tend to follow power-laws, since many human behavioral distributions do.
Is your distribution a dN/dI (N = number of people, I = income) power-law, with each class a bin in I, and class incomes reckoned as Integral_dIOverClassBin(I×dN/dI) / Integral_dIOverClassBin(dN/dI)? If so, what is the power-law index that describes the SF income distribution? I can’t quite make it out from your bins, which have very inhomogeneous widths, even in logarithm space. Or is power-law a bad model here?
(Apologies for notational quirks, I doubt that LaTeX would clarify issues in WordPress, and there’s no Markdown support here).
(And sorry also to those of you to whom this looks like gibberish for the descent into nerdery, but this stuff is Carlo-bait…)
Roberto el oso
@NutmegAgain: I just watched a 6-episode series, “A Spy Among Friends” about the Cambridge 5 (Guy Pearce plays Kim Philby). Quite good, with one of the subplots being how Philby also pulled the wool over the eyes of James Jesus Angleton, first head of the CIA.
There’s another one, which I can’t remember the name of, but which stars Alan Bates as Guy Burgess, and revolves around an Australian journalist who went to interview him when he was living in Moscow, where he was very miserable, although Graham Greene regularly sent him care packages from Fortnum & Mason’s
During the Cold War the West got folks like Rudolf Nureyev, Natalia Makarova, and Joseph Brodsky … seems like a much better deal than the likes of Edward Snowden and Tara Reade.
Sebastian
@NutmegAgain:
Seconded. Superb movie.
YY_Sima Qian
@Carlo Graziani: Yes, your recasting is the more interesting & relevant one.
I don’t think the vast majority of Russians working for the Putin regime (now or 10 years ago) are committed Putinists, just like the vast majority of people working for the Shia Islamist regime in Iran are not committed Shia Islamists, the vast majority of CCP members are not committed Communists or even committed followers of Xi Thought, most people who worked for the Nazi government were not committed Nazis, & most people worked for the Italian Fascist regime were not committed Fascists. Most people simply go w/ the flow to survive, & many are cynical opportunists. At best, these regimes are seen as the most promising vehicle for advancing national development, redressing perceived historical wrongs, achieving pan-nationalist goals, & derive their legitimacies as such. This is when they could co-op patriots (who are not the same as nationalists) & the more mainstream elements into their causes, or at least gain their acquiescence. When their ability to achieve such pan-nationalist & developmental objectives come into question, their legitimacies start to wane, & people either peel off, or give in to more cynical/opportunist motives to maximize selfish gains. Even then only a small minority would emerge as committed opponents.
In the aughts, one could argue that Putin was righting the ship that had been left adrift by Yeltsin, & was indeed reestablishing Russia as a power to be reckoned w/. By the teens the Putinist program of breeding utmost cynicism has produced a country of cynics, from the oligarchs to the average man on the street, held together only by the revanchist dream of reviving the Russian Empire to its largest extent, bolstered by the seemingly cheap victories over Georgia in ’08 & Ukraine in ’14. There hasn’t even been much pretense at developmentalism. Now, the disastrous invasion of Ukraine has punctured the nationalist balloon for most.
For Iran, as long as the Shia Islamist regime could convince most Iranians that it is safeguarding & advancing their interests as Shia & as Persians, in their ancient rivalry against Sunny Arabs & the more recent Western imperialist threats, it could maintain substantial support. However, the combination of evermore intense oppression & poor economic management has caused widespread disillusionment, as evidenced by the recent protest movement.
In China, Xi has been implementing an intensifying program of re-instilling ideology into the CCP ranks, both Marxist Thought (as analytical frameworks, not as policy prescriptions) & his brand of Xi Thought (which does provide a philosophical framework for his policy programs). The purpose of the program is likely to root out both the closet liberals & the cynical opportunists. Party members are made to study Xi Thought periodically, & officials high & low have to pay homage to Xi & Xi Thought in every document & speech. There are many trappings of a personality cult present, but there is no actual personality cult, because few people hold Xi in awe in the way people used to revere Mao, not even those who are supportive of Xi’s domestic programs & foreign policy. As long as Xi & the CCP regime are perceived to be still delivering in improving personal welfare, restring environment, containing corruption, & achieving pan-patriotic/nationalist goals of technological advancement & international prominence/preeminence, most people will go w/ the flow.
YY_Sima Qian
@NutmegAgain: Great movie!
@Roberto el oso: Great series! The parts depicting Philby in Moscow were quite entertaining.
Andrya
@Carlo Graziani: Well, this is Andrya-bait too, but you are giving me way too much credit. As I mentioned above, I do not have a background in economics (not even one college class) although I do read for-the-layman stuff by Paul Krugman and Thomas Piketty. No power laws, no calculus, sorry! (Plus, I had to finish the post in 10-15 minutes in time for an emergency cat food run.)
My procedure was much simpler: I took my personal/anecdotal knowledge of income distribution in SF, adjusted it to make it more “Moscow-like” as best I understand Moscow, and then assumed (unrealistically) that all the members of each class had the same income.
I should have mentioned that my assumption that a live-in servant in SF might make as little as $6000 per year would be a gross minimum wage law violation. Unfortunately, in the SF Bay Area, that does not mean it wouldn’t happen. 25 years ago, my sister and I had a favorite Indian restaurant in Berkeley (delicious food) that we abandoned due to an unfortunate experience involving a waiter killing a cockroach with his shoe. Several years later, we were glad we had abandoned the restaurant, as it turned out the restaurant was literally using slave labor who were not paid at all.
prostratedragon
@Roberto el oso: I just watched that this weekend too. Highly recommended; will watch again at some point.
Traveller
@Sebastian: and Nutmeg:
Truly a suburb movie and one that can survive still being great even after repeated viewings…however, as to the comment by the character Bill Hadon
“It was an aesthetic choice as much as anything else. The West has become so terribly ugly.”
I think it largely true…in the early 1980’s London was all creaking floorboards and moldy walls, Paris was a rundown wreck and New York City was full of scurrying rats, graffiti and blowing street trash…Hong Kong was always Hong Kong but not gleaming like the last time I was there.
Looking at Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, it also was a product of its time…there was a wonderful book published in 2005 titled, The World was Going Our Way, (The KGB and the Battle for the Third World), and for a time…the world really was a toss up and Russia was very close to coming out on top.
So Bill Hadon was not far from being right…now of course I have to argue how…vastly better almost everything in the world is now, at least in a practical sense. My cars will start every morning, my tires will last longer than 12,000 and run without the sometimes frequent flat tires.
Medicine? What can any of us say? It is all miraculous…they are doing things that simply are not possible…or weren’t a scant 20 years ago.
Yes there are real problems…Real! And Now, all of which was not to say Bill Hadon was not correct in his perception and depression then.
It is all exciting. Best Wishes, Traveller
NutmegAgain
@Roberto el oso: Next day reply … Thanks, I will look for this series~
Chris Johnson
@Jay: Rog is a tragedy. Talk about ‘the thin ice’. Out of his depth and out of his mind… and he’s going to be losing another soldier Daddy who let him down, when he loses Putin.
I think he wanted to be good, but he is too broken. Makes for some good art and a lousy role model.
He’s still the Rog who said, on the Dark Side classic albums DVD, that being a leftie and getting rich changes things for this reason: when you have a bunch of money in the bank it WILL BE invested. So you either take a hand in that, or it is done for you. That was a good insight.
It’s a shame about Rog.
StringOnAStick
@Traveller: Thanks so much for this post; very thought provoking!