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Friday Night Klown Fights Open Thread: ‘Misguided Patriots’ for the L

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I don’t know if MTG believes this crap, or if she’s just testing the vibes / mouthing the correct pieties for The (Very) Base. To repurpose the proverb about Nazis: If you have one domestic terrorist and ten enablers at a table… there are eleven terrorists at the table.

Recent updates on some of those ‘misguided patriots’:

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… On Bumble, Taake had claimed that “antifa” was actually behind the violence at the Capitol. The video showed otherwise. The feds say Taake was caught on video pepper-spraying officers and attacking others with a metal whip.

Online sleuths who are part of the “sedition hunters” community would label Taake ― who was known as 257-AFO (Assault on Federal Officers) on the FBI’s Capitol wanted list ― as #MacerInBlack, and track his actions throughout the Jan. 6 attack. They’d separately identify him using a facial recognition website that turned up mugshots from his prior arrests…

One “sedition hunter” told HuffPost that arrests like Taake’s are “very comforting” because they make the community realize they are not operating in a “black hole,” even if the FBI takes longer than they would like to make an arrest.

“It gives us hope that all of these other people who have yet to be arrested have been IDed by other people,” the person said…

And Taake isn’t the first Jan. 6 defendant arrested off of a Bumble tip: Another dating app user told Robert Chapman “We are not a match” before turning him in to the FBI. But Taake certainly is the most violent defendant caught off of a Bumble tip to date…

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From a longer thread: Oaf Keepers in disarray…

Rhodes himself is a Very Special Case — I intend to give him a stand-alone post, if there’s ever space and time for it.

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  3. 3.

    RaflW

    I’m impressed with the number and quality of convictions they’re getting.

    As to MTG, I don’t g.a.f. if she is acting out a role or is a true believer. As Mehta might say, “It’s about her conduct.” She’s laying the groundwork for the next wave of domestic terrorists to feel emboldened to attack.

  7. 7.

    mrmoshpotato

    Marjorie Taylor Greene claims “honey pots” made “people commit crimes” on January 6th in order to make Trump look bad.

    Honeypots don’t make people commit crimes, you rotted horse’s asshole!

    And all this “To make our fat, orange, fascist, shitstain god look bad!” bullshit…  Sad.  Just sad.  I feel sad for you dumbfucks.

  8. 8.

    Rebel’s Dad

    I am firmly against the death penalty.

    I enthusiastically support it for traitors and rebels, pour encourager les autres. All of these vermin got off too easy.

    ETA Rutgers gives all students a free Grammarly Premium account, which I already love. It tells me this comment is “inspirational” and “joyful.”

  9. 9.

    sukabi

    @Jackie: she probably changed her mind because she found out they’ve got footage identifying the bomb planter…..

     

    probably

  10. 10.

    TriassicSands

    In the past, I’ve always been in favor of restoring voting rights once someone is out of prison.

    Maybe  But not in the case of people involved in insurrection. It’s not as though I think x months or years in prison will teach any of these violent cretins a lesson. From the standpoint of democratic society, these people represent the ultimate threat.

  11. 11.

    eversor

    For a bunch of ex military and law enforcement types the fact that they internet tweeted this, recorded it on phones, and kept logs of it is just as funny to me as all the crosses, christian flags, and prayers.  I’d say the first doesn’t make sense, but when I see Christianity it totally does.

  13. 13.

    Soprano2

    @eversor: I think they thought it wouldn’t matter because they’d be successful, or if they weren’t TFG would pardon them.

  14. 14.

    Alison Rose

    @Rebel’s Dad: Respectfully, you are not actually against the death penalty, then. If you support in some cases, that means you support it. While I agree that many of these sentences are too light, killing these people wouldn’t do anything. In fact, it would only make them into even bigger martyrs for the remaining true believers.

    The best punishment for these assholes will be to make them watch Trump lose another election while they sit in prison because of him.

  15. 15.

    kalakal

    Are honeypots this year’s ‘perjury traps’?

    I don’t give a toss whether she believes this drivel or not, her intent is the same in either case and it is to destroy this country

  16. 16.

    Manyakitty

    @Alison Rose: acceptable. I admit to an unexpected level of bloodthirstiness regarding this mess (gestures broadly) and the myriad atrocities committed against Ukraine, but your suggestion works.

    Creative.

  17. 17.

    Maxim

    So the guy wearing the gas mask (Minuta) gets 54 months, but the woman who explicitly says she wants to hang Pelosi and commits blatant perjury gets 27 months … her sentence should be more like his.

  18. 18.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @eversor:

    the fact that they internet tweeted this, recorded it on phones, and kept logs of it is just as funny

    One thing that was very, very clear in the arrests afterwards is that these people thought they were untouchable.  The only reason they did it was because they believed it was handed to them and there was no possibility of consequences.  They were gobsmacked when they started getting arrested.  It was a result they completely hadn’t considered.

  19. 19.

    Amir Khalid

    @kalakal:

    I don’t even see where honeypots have anything to do with this. I’m not aware of anyone being lured into storming the Capitol by someone promising them sex as an inducement. Maybe Marge Greene has been reading some Tom Clancy, and she picked up the word from there.

  20. 20.

    Manyakitty

    @Amir Khalid: I suspect she heard it ‘around’ and wanted to try it out. To be fair, she probably couldn’t make it through a whole Tom Clancy novel.

  21. 21.

    Lyrebird

    @Amir Khalid: ​
     

    Multiple insurrectionists have later been identified and turned in because of what they said on dating sites.

    You are right, and Greene is as usual flailing dangerously. But that’s why she’s throwing that term around.

  24. 24.

    Rebel’s Dad

    @Alison Rose: No offense taken! Part of my autism is that I always think in absolutes of black and white; it’s only now, in my 40s, that I’m starting to realize how much gray is in the world. When I was a diehard conservative 20 years ago (ironically, John’s conservatism brought me to BJ!), I was in the “string ’em all up and let God sort ’em out.” Even after I became a liberal, I still had this mentality until I realized how many innocent people are executed. For me, even one innocent life is too much; while I believe that the state does and should have the sword’s power, I am loathed to see it used because of how often it is abused. However, treason poses an existential threat to every citizen’s life, liberty, and property and the state itself. Therefore, I’m willing to make an exception here.

  25. 25.

    Rebel’s Dad

    @Amir Khalid: Oh, come on, we all know that Hunter Biden lured Ashli Babbitt to the Capitol with raw sex appeal, along with all the male MAGAts, who’d never had a gay thought until then.

  28. 28.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Rebel’s Dad: “A peen so powerful, it cannot be shown on Twitter!  Wake up, sheeple!  Can’t you see why the Biden Crime Family had to act!?!?!?!1!!?!1”

  30. 30.

    Citizen Alan

    @Alison Rose: I was 100% against the death penalty six years ago. I now make an exception for domestic terrorists. I truly believe we’re in a struggle against a nihilistic death cult. And I am less afraid of them becoming martyrs than I am of them getting a slap on the wrist that emboldens those who come after them.

  32. 32.

    Rebel’s Dad

    @Chetan Murthy: For Pride Month I’m going to make a shirt that says “I saw Hunter Biden’s cawk and all I got was this lousy T-shirt”.

  33. 33.

    Alison Rose

    @Citizen Alan: But take a moment to consider how subjective that term can become if it is divorced from its generally accepted legal definition. The people we view as domestic terrorists are quite different than the people the right views as such. Don’t put it past them to label doctors providing gender-affirming care or abortion providers or anyone else whom they have deemed evil as a “domestic terrorist”. It’s not like they care about what the dictionary or the laws or the Constitution says. If there comes a time when the GOP controls all three branches again, they will use every ounce of their power to go after the people they hate even harder. You know there are a lot of people on the right who would absolutely jump at the chance to put certain groups of people on death row.

    I don’t disagree that we’re in a struggle against a death cult. But how does joining them in inflicting death further our goal to stop it?

  34. 34.

    Joey Maloney

    @Rebel’s Dad: I typed this pretty much word-for-word in another forum recently, right down to the italicized French.

    Though my idea was to do it like General Washington handled the Whiskey Rebellion. Death sentences all around, but only carried out on one or two of the leaders. Everyone else gets a last-minute reprieve and are encouraged to go home and think about how things worked out for everyone.

    And yes, this creates an exception in my lifelong opposition to the death penalty. If I were actually in a position to see this view put into action, I might have to think about it some more but I’m perfectly happy when it’s just blowing off steam on a near-top-10000 blog.

  37. 37.

    Anne Laurie

    @Amir Khalid: I don’t even see where honeypots have anything to do with this. I’m not aware of anyone being lured into storming the Capitol by someone promising them sex as an inducement. Maybe Marge Greene has been reading some Tom Clancy, and she picked up the word from there.

    She’s let herself be convinced that the J6 ‘victims’ were unlawfully lured into doing something bad, and as a ‘good’ Southern lady,  S-E-X is the most luring & lawless thing she can imagine.

    Also, probably, she’s heard the term — possibly from her security team — in reference to her own predilection for sweaty himbos like Matt Gaetz.

  39. 39.

    ColoradoGuy

    The reason they live-tweeted J6 is they expected T**** to be dictator-for-life. The live-tweets would become the new Pantheon of Heroes, and they would find positions of honor in the New Order.

    This is still their goal. Nothing has changed. They have turned their backs on democracy, at least until it is converted into a system of approved voter lists, with no Democrats, gays, or people of color allowed to vote, and women voting in lock-step with their husbands.

    Remember, this is pretty close to the Old South, a de facto one-party dictatorship, and the precursor to 20th-century fascism.

  40. 40.

    Rebel’s Dad

    @ColoradoGuy: this is pretty close to the Old South, a de facto one-party dictatorship, and the precursor to 20th-century fascism.

    It grates on me when (always white) people say, “Trump has brought fascism to America/this is not who we are/this is not the America I know!’ Ummm, bish, the entire South from 1607-the 1980s was a protofascist entity. It’s baked into Southern culture, happily wedded to white supremacy, and the uncle, if not father, of Nazism and fascism. Yes, authoritarianism isn’t unique to America, but without the South 20th century world politics would look a lot different.

  41. 41.

    ColoradoGuy

    It’s sobering to realize how deeply fascism is baked into white Southern culture. Technically, that definition is anachronistic, since the Southern slave way of life preceded and inspired European fascism, not the other way around. And why shouldn’t the hard-right Europeans admire it? The Americans “Got Away With It” and went on to become the wealthiest and most powerful nation on Earth.

    True, there was the small matter of the Civil War, but look what happened after the Union Army left the South. The Southerners won the peace, and went on to deeply influence the rest of the country for another century. The Civil War is still being fought; it never went away.

  42. 42.

    Viva BrisVegas

    @Amir Khalid: Honeypot in that sense is said to have been invented by John Le Carre in his novels.

    Apparently the intelligence services are avid readers of his, because terms from his books such as lamplighter, mole, spook, chicken feed, babysitter and Moscow Rules were popularized in the service starting with The Spy Who Came in From the Cold.

  43. 43.

    NotoriousJRT

    Whatever verbiage the wide-faced, pig-eyed woman happens to vomit up is of no interest to me.  I really wish all who oppose her brand of performance “art” would deprive her of a platform.

  44. 44.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Viva BrisVegas: wait, you’ve got me thinking: it’s honeytrap (as in to entrap someone with sex) that leCarre popularized wasn’t it?  And honeypot is a term from computing for what appears to be an unprotected environment meant to draw in bad guys but is in fact a trap for them (like a pot of honey draws flies).  Marge Three Toes is so goddamn stupid she didn’t even get the term right!  Ha!

  46. 46.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Viva BrisVegas:

    Moscow Rules

    There’s an episode of MI-5 (aka Spooks) where Keeley Hawes’ character Zoe is asked “What’s George Smiley’s favorite drink” and she responds “Moscow Mule”.  But in Tinker, Tailor, he orders a Bloody Mary.  Ah, well, so much for adhering to the book.

  48. 48.

    NotMax

    @Chetan Murthy

    Used to refer to the trucks which periodically visited to pump out septic tanks as honeydiippers.

    May have been a local or regional term.

  50. 50.

    Roberto el oso

    Oh, that’s right! ‘Honey trap’, not ‘honey pot’.  Honey pot should only be used in reference to Winnie the Pooh.

    I’m pretty sure that Ian Fleming uses the term ‘honey trap’ in various of the Bond novels, most of which were published before John Le Carre’s career as a novelist got underway … but I agree, many of Le Carre’s terms for the ‘tradecraft’ aspects of espionage were taken up by the intelligence services (UK & US, at least)

  51. 51.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Anne Laurie:

    She’s let herself be convinced that the J6 ‘victims’ were unlawfully lured into doing something bad

    It certainly fits with my read of J6.  That is, the insurrectionists would not have done it if the normal security was in place.  These chickenshit fantasists thought they’d been handed their dream with only as much opposition as kicking a puppy, which is exactly the kind of violence they like.  It’s why they milled around like idiots after the initial rush, took selfies, and were shocked to be arrested.  It was a fantasy they were given, and how could there be any consequences?  The proof that this was their right, that they were heroes who could not lose, came in that mob mentality rush when they saw themselves wildly outnumbering an unthreatening looking opposition and stampeded over it.  A sentiment floating around afterwards that they were tricked fits.

  52. 52.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Viva BrisVegas:

    I think he used both.

    I had opened-up TTTS to check on which drink Smiley orders when he meets Westerby (in the BBC series, it’s brandy & ginger ale, but in the book, it’s bloody mary), and so I searched for “honey”.  The only uses are in “honey-trap”.  No “honeypot” or other “honey” words.

    ETA: and I remember when honeypot came into general use in computing for “an environment meant to appear unprotected, to attract malicious network attacks”.

  53. 53.

    Mike G

    What MTG says aren’t meant to be factual statements backed by facts and evidence.

    They’re bullshit to give moral cowards an excuse not to think or take responsibility.

  55. 55.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Frankensteinbeck: And then Lady Justice did the research necessary to punch all of them in their fucking fascist faces, and now they’re crying like the traitorous little shits they are.

    Cry harder, insurrection Trump trash.

  56. 56.

    opiejeanne

    What does “open to an upward departure” mean in non-lawyerese? The judge was said to be open to it.

  59. 59.

    JPL

    @Jackie: I was under the impression that she had passed on the information to one group and assumed her stunt was to block MSM from receiving the information.   Since Tucker has the tapes, I assume that MSM will sue in order to receive them.

  61. 61.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    Honey pot refers to a conspiracy involving Winnie Pooh and his henchmen Tigger and Piglet.

    It was exposed when Christopher Robin turned states evidence.

  63. 63.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    It certainly fits with my read of J6.  That is, the insurrectionists would not have done it if the normal security was in place.  These chickenshit fantasists thought they’d been handed their dream with only as much opposition as kicking a puppy, which is exactly the kind of violence they like.  It’s why they milled around like idiots after the initial rush, took selfies, and were shocked to be arrested.  It was a fantasy they were given, and how could there be any consequences?  The proof that this was their right, that they were heroes who could not lose, came in that mob mentality rush when they saw themselves wildly outnumbering an unthreatening looking opposition and stampeded over it.  A sentiment floating around afterwards that they were tricked fits.

    Even if you’re right, it still strikes me as analogous to “I wouldn’t have stolen that car if the keys hadn’t been left in the ignition.”

    Not to mention, however undermanned the police at the Capitol were that day, it still took acts of serious violence committed against them to overcome them.  Also people scaling walls, breaking through windows, and opening doors from the inside.

    But anyone who entered the Capitol on the heels of those who committed those acts knew they were crossing a line. They knew they weren’t supposed to be in there.  So fuck ’em.

  68. 68.

    StringOnAStick

    I’m disappointed that the “hang Nancy Pelosi” female rioter/ insurrectionist scumbag  didn’t get the maximum sentence; she deserves more than 2.5 years.  I hope she doesn’t get much credit for time served so she can have a long, full federal prison experience.

  71. 71.

    LiminalOwl

    FWIW, I saw “honeypot” (not honey trap) used consistently in mass media when Maria Butina was much in the news.  I don’t remember seeing it before then, so maybe that was when popular usage changed?

    And somehow I’ve never read Le Carré, even though he was one if my father’s favorite authors and I appreciated most of my father’s books. Will remedy that after finishing the current stack of library and book club books.

  73. 73.

    Snarki, child of Loki

    @Roberto el oso: ” Honey pot should only be used in reference to Winnie the Pooh.”

     

    To be fair, MTG is indeed a Bear Of Very Small Brain.

  76. 76.

    Wanderer

    I recall family elders, when I was a kid, using the term honey pot to refer to their chore of emptying the chamber pot when they were young.  The vessel was called a honey pot as it had yellow liquid in it.  Kids always got the crummy jobs. One family member recounted the joy that the first flush toilet in their home caused. All the siblings were amazed by the swirling water. It was a happy, happy, day.

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