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You are here: Home / Politics / Trump Indictments / Musical Chairs (Attorney Style)

Musical Chairs (Attorney Style)

by WaterGirl|  June 5, 20232:10 pm| 159 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Trump Indictments

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BREAKING: Trump’s lawyers just spotted by @CBSNews entering the Justice Department, per @RobLegare who is on site… comes as sources tell me the special counsel is moving toward a charging decision in the classified documents case

— Robert Costa (@costareports) June 5, 2023

I have lost track of the Trump attorneys.  James Trusty seems like a joke, and I assume that Lindsey Halligan is the attorney is the female attorney that legal twitter said was apparently hired because she’s attractive and Trump likes to have her around.

Who is John Rowley?  Can someone catch me up?

(CBS)

Attorneys representing former President Donald Trump — John Rowley, James Trusty and Lindsey Halligan — were at the Justice Department at around 10 a.m. Monday, weeks after Trump’s lawyers had requested a meeting with top federal law enforcement officials.

CBS News saw Trump’s legal team walking into the Justice Department. They did not speak as they entered the building in Washington, and they stayed for just under two hours. A person familiar with the meeting between Trump’s lawyers and the department said that Attorney General Merrick Garland did not attend.

Two people familiar with the probe said that Trump’s legal team is frustrated with how Justice Department officials have handled attorney-client matters in recent months and would likely raise their concerns on this front during Monday’s meeting, in particular, prosecutors’ discussions of related issues in front of the grand jury.

(NYT)

Lawyers for former President Donald J. Trump met on Monday at the Justice Department with officials, including the special counsel Jack Smith, two weeks after requesting a meeting to discuss their concerns about Mr. Smith’s investigations into Mr. Trump, according to two people familiar with the matter.

The meeting did not include Attorney General Merrick B. Garland or Lisa O. Monaco, the deputy attorney general, and it is unclear what precise subjects were discussed. But the visit came amid indications that prosecutors in the special counsel’s office were approaching the end of their inquiry into the former president’s handling of classified documents. It also came at a time when Mr. Trump’s advisers have concluded that there might not be much more time to stave off charges, the people said.

The lawyers — James Trusty, John Rowley and Lindsey Halligan — left the Justice Department after nearly two hours. They declined to speak to reporters.

Shortly after their visit, Mr. Trump posted a message on his social media platform, Truth Social, suggesting that his legal team had at least discussed with him the possibility that he could be indicted.

“How can DOJ possibly charge me, who did nothing wrong,” Mr. Trump wrote in all capital letters.

Oh, and if anyone wants to hear the folks at Lawfare (LIVE) at 3pm Eastern today:

Open thread.

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  1. 1.

    JPL

    June 5, 2023 at 2:16 pm

    trumps latest tweet     SAD

  2. 2.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 2:17 pm

    I’m not going to predict if an when an indictment will drop, but if DOJ does indict before Fani Willis, some people on the internet will need to eat crow.

  3. 3.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 2:19 pm

    @JPL:  Shorter Trump:

    HOW CAN THIS BE HAPPENING TO ME?  CONSEQUENCES ARE FOR OTHER PEOPLE!  I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT.

    I AM KING!

    I WAS KING, AND HOPE TO BE AGAIN. OFF WITH YOUR HEADS!

  4. 4.

    Ken

    June 5, 2023 at 2:19 pm

    Mr. Trump wrote in all capital letters.

    It’s the grammar police, isn’t it?

  5. 5.

    Frankensteinbeck

    June 5, 2023 at 2:22 pm

    “How can DOJ possibly charge me, who did nothing wrong,”

    We’re back to the ‘perfect’ transcript and whether he sexually assaults women.  There are things he’s just too god damn stupid and narcissistic to deny, because he thinks they prove how great he is.  In this case, he is President so he is entitled to own classified documents!

    EDIT – I do not trust this as an indicator of timing.  Trump chose the meeting, not the DOJ.

  6. 6.

    JPL

    June 5, 2023 at 2:22 pm

    @WaterGirl:  Trump’s ego prevents him from making a deal like Petraeus did.   He got a slap on the hand and probation, but admitted guilt.   They would probably want trump not to run for office again.  He’d rather fight it

  7. 7.

    NobodySpecial

    June 5, 2023 at 2:23 pm

    I’d love to see it, but I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

  8. 8.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 2:27 pm

    @Baud: I would buy a ticket to watch that dinner!

  9. 9.

    JPL

    June 5, 2023 at 2:27 pm

    @NobodySpecial:  My uneducated guess is that the indictment is coming but he will be afforded special privileges.   No orange jump suit for that guy.

  10. 10.

    Old School

    June 5, 2023 at 2:28 pm

    From August 2022:

    A former federal prosecutor with multiple Trump world clients is now representing the former president in talks with the Justice Department, according to three people with knowledge of the situation.

    John Rowley, of the eponymous law firm JPRowley Law PLLC, has been involved in communications with DOJ on Trump’s behalf about executive privilege issues related to the department’s ongoing probe of the Jan. 6 attack.

    But Trump isn’t the only person Rowley represents in Jan. 6-related legal fights. The attorney also represents Trump’s former senior aide Peter Navarro, who DOJ has charged with contempt of Congress for his refusal to cooperate with the Jan. 6 select committee.

    Rowley also represents former Trump White House aide Stephen Miller and Trump-allied lawyer Cleta Mitchell in civil litigation related to the congressional probe. He has also represented Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.), who was subpoenaed by the select panel.

  11. 11.

    cain

    June 5, 2023 at 2:28 pm

    haha – looks like Trump is quite displeased.

    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1665762038281322496

  12. 12.

    Roger Moore

    June 5, 2023 at 2:29 pm

    @Baud: ​
     
    The people who were loudest in their wrongness will never admit anything.

  13. 13.

    Hoodie

    June 5, 2023 at 2:29 pm

    Rowley looks like another white collar defense guy like Trusty.  Halligan may just be eye candy/pacifier for Trump, as her background doesn’t scream out anything to do with the subject matter of this investigation.

  14. 14.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 2:29 pm

    @cain:

    The Deep State cares about evidence.

  15. 15.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 2:30 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: Trump didn’t choose this meeting.

    He asked to speak to the manager, and he got neither Merrick Garland nor his second in command.  He got the guy he wanted to complain about.

  16. 16.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 2:31 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    He asked to speak to the manager

    Orange Karen

  17. 17.

    cain

    June 5, 2023 at 2:31 pm

    Not going to link – but Lindsey apparently has a photo of her in her underwear with some other ladies apparently it was part of her resume. I could only assume that there was some kind of marketing thing since one of the lady had a short tee that said “smoking kills”.

    I think though there are two parts here:

    1. it’s misogynistic to put up “racy” pictures of women and point that it is some kind of ‘bad’ thing. We need to stop shaming women for that. As it seems like some kind of sexual shaming here.
    2. It’s kind of interesting that you would put that as part of your portfolio. Bold, I’d say given the above.

    She should be shamed for defending a sexual predator however.

  18. 18.

    Cameron

    June 5, 2023 at 2:33 pm

    It’s gonna be the best indictment, very yooge and bigly.

  19. 19.

    OverTwistWillie

    June 5, 2023 at 2:33 pm

    @JPL:

    He’s not gonna quit while there’s still meat on the bone.

  20. 20.

    Scout211

    June 5, 2023 at 2:34 pm

    @cain: @JPL:

    Yes, complete with all his grammar mistakes, Trump sounds afraid, very afraid.

    Someone had better lock up the ketchup.

  21. 21.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 2:34 pm

    @Hoodie: Yes, apparently so.  The attractive female who can calm Trump?

  22. 22.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 2:35 pm

    @Cameron: Dare I say that the indictment will be PERFECT?

  23. 23.

    Anonymous At Work

    June 5, 2023 at 2:36 pm

    @JPL: An indictment or even conviction does not stop the person from running for or winning office, including President.  In theory, you can be President while also an inmate at a Supermax.

    Worth repeating that James Madison designed our system in the Constitution under the assumption that there never could or would be political parties.  He then formed the first political party to ratify the Constitution.

  24. 24.

    bbleh

    June 5, 2023 at 2:36 pm

    Oh to have been a fly on the wall, either at that meeting watching the DOJ lawyers try not to crack smiles, or at the DOJ meeting afterward when they’re having fun writing the memorandum.

    I guess my only question would be, to what extent did Trump’s lawyers show up because he ordered it and mumble their way through pro forma statements of his complaints and demands, and to what extent are they True Believers?

  25. 25.

    Nora

    June 5, 2023 at 2:36 pm

    I love how they felt the need to point out that Merrick Garland didn’t attend the meeting.  Hello, guys, Smith is a SPECIAL COUNSEL chosen deliberately to insulate Garland from anything to do with the prosecution of this case, and so of course he didn’t attend the meeting.  It would be nice if the Times mentioned that in context, but I’m not holding my breath.

  26. 26.

    terraformer

    June 5, 2023 at 2:37 pm

    I am so sick and tired of this person; won’t someone please arrest this dotard and remove him from our collective reality

  27. 27.

    coin operated

    June 5, 2023 at 2:37 pm

    @JPL:

    My uneducated guess is that the indictment is coming but he will be afforded special privileges.   No orange jump suit for that guy.

    Agreed.  I don’t care if he ever wears a jumpsuit the same tone as his skin bronzer…I’ll be satisfied if he’s barred from holding office ever again. Keep his stubby little fingers off the levers of power for the rest of his miserable life.

  28. 28.

    Scout211

    June 5, 2023 at 2:40 pm

    From the CBS news article:

    Special counsel Jack Smith’s office declined to comment.

    This has to irk Trump. He has no idea how to respond when someone in power pays no attention to him. LOL

  29. 29.

    jonas

    June 5, 2023 at 2:41 pm

    The lawyers can whine to DOJ all they want, but it was a federal judge that compelled them to testify because it was clear that they had been — wittingly or unwittingly — used by Trump to further his crimes (obstruction, etc.) relating to the document case. I’m sure Trump ordered them to march into Smith’s office and swear and pound the table and everything. And because they don’t want to be hit by a bunch of flying ketchup and half-drunk Coke cans again when the meet with Trump at Mar-a-Lago, they’re at least going through the motions.

  30. 30.

    trollhattan

    June 5, 2023 at 2:42 pm

    @JPL: ​He’s Transitioned From random Caps to ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME NOW HOW DOES HE POSSIBLY GET SHOUTIER OTHER THAN THAT? ALL 🎋🎎🎟🎋🎍🎭🧵🎫🎗🎭 ALL THE TIME?
    Also too GREATEST WITCH HUNT OF ALL TIME! continues to uncover an infinite supply of witches.​

  31. 31.

    JPL

    June 5, 2023 at 2:42 pm

    @Anonymous At Work: I meant if he agreed to  a plea deal.   That won’t happen because he would have to admit guilt.

  32. 32.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 2:43 pm

    Really interesting conversation on Talking Feds last night.  (actually, early this morning)

    Harry Littman, Jason Kander, Jennifer Rubin, and a 4th guy whose name I don’t know but won a pulitzer for something in the last 6 years.

    Some thought Trump could end up in prison.  Some thought he would be confined to Trump Tower in NYC, not MaraLago.

    Interesting comments by Jason Kander about Trump.   Well worth an hour of my time.

    Down to the wire.

  33. 33.

    trollhattan

    June 5, 2023 at 2:44 pm

    @WaterGirl: ​PERFECT as the Werewolf of London’s hair.

  34. 34.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 5, 2023 at 2:44 pm

    @terraformer:

    I am so sick and tired of this person; won’t someone please arrest this dotard and remove him from our collective reality

    I see I’m not the only one.

  35. 35.

    pat

    June 5, 2023 at 2:44 pm

    Where does he get this crap about Biden having 1850 boxes? Does he just make that up?

  36. 36.

    JPL

    June 5, 2023 at 2:45 pm

    I read that the grand jury is going to hear from another witness.   I suppose that they could vote the same day, but possibly not.

  37. 37.

    piratedan

    June 5, 2023 at 2:46 pm

    @coin operated: I’m in the “vindictive motherfucker” camp.

    I have no issues using him as a cautionary example for all of the other crime faction party adherents.

    Toss his ass in jail.  He’s committed perjury, treason, threats, bribery, racketeering, assault.

    fuck him and EVERYONE who allowed him to run amok.

  38. 38.

    Roger Moore

    June 5, 2023 at 2:46 pm

    @JPL:

    My uneducated guess is that the indictment is coming but he will be afforded special privileges. No orange jump suit for that guy.

    Not getting the orange jumpsuit isn’t some miraculous special privilege.  If, as seems likely, Trump is let out on some kind of bail, he won’t (and shouldn’t) have to wear prison clothing.  And, FWIW, defendants are normally allowed to wear nice clothes during their trials even if they’re kept in jail. Making them wear prison clothes to court is prejudicial since it may make the jury more likely to assume they’re guilty.

  39. 39.

    JPL

    June 5, 2023 at 2:47 pm

    @WaterGirl: Couldn’t they accomodate trump’s secret service on a military base?   What’s to stop trump from leaving the tower?   If they won’t put him in jail, why not.

  40. 40.

    Geminid

    June 5, 2023 at 2:47 pm

    @JPL: Also, Trump is intent on winning back the Presidency. I think that will keep him from making a deal. For Trump, the only way out is through.

  41. 41.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 5, 2023 at 2:48 pm

    @WaterGirl: Do they implode Dump Tower NYC with him in it?

  42. 42.

    JPL

    June 5, 2023 at 2:48 pm

    @pat: He does have the bigest brain.

  43. 43.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 2:48 pm

    I cannot fathom why seemingly normal, successful attorneys from white shoe law firms take Trump on as a client.

    it can’t be for the money.  So what’s left of the big motivators?  Sex?  Money?  Power?  Fear?  None of those make sense.

    Hubris?  They actually think that they can win what others can’t?  Win the otherwise un-winnable?

    True believers?  How could someone like that possibly be a true believer?

    I continue to be perplexed.

  44. 44.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 2:49 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: That was not mentioned.

  45. 45.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 2:50 pm

    @JPL: Like other non-violent prisoners, he could have to wear an ankle monitor, and if he violates that, he goes to prison.  For real.

  46. 46.

    JPL

    June 5, 2023 at 2:51 pm

    @Geminid: If he loses the nomintion, does Ronna make a deal with him to make sure a pardon is coming if he backs the candidate.

    I full of ifs today.    😆

  47. 47.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 2:52 pm

    @Geminid: Trump has no other option, so he is betting all his chips on the ONLY THING that could keep him out of prison.

    The Talking Feds podcast discussion also covered whether he could self-pardon.

    Jason Kander, I think, was the one who suggested that Vice President Kari Lake could pardon him.

  48. 48.

    Hoodie

    June 5, 2023 at 2:54 pm

    @WaterGirl: Or keep him distracted so he doesn’t interfere with the defense. I doubt that really works, however.  Trump is the type of client who likes to think of his lawyers as tools (usually a deniability shield) in some bigger game that doesn’t necessarily follow the law.   That can be effective for the client in some cases, but it can suck for the lawyers and, in the case of Trump, often makes the lawyers culpable.

  49. 49.

    bk

    June 5, 2023 at 2:55 pm

    Lindsey Halligan, per her bio, handles insurance claims. Great credentials.

  50. 50.

    bbleh

    June 5, 2023 at 2:56 pm

    @WaterGirl: The only reasons I can come up with are (1) some of them are NOT “normal successful” attorneys at white-shoe firms but are instead less-successful-than-hoped backbenchers, failsons promoted over their talents, etc., and they think this is their shot at the Big Time and/or (2) some of them have a clientele (not all rich people are smart) who think it’s a good thing for someone to represent TFG, and they figure this will help their business.

  51. 51.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 2:57 pm

    @JPL: Is that Ronna’s deal to make?

  52. 52.

    narya

    June 5, 2023 at 2:58 pm

    @WaterGirl: Luke Broadwater, FNYT reporter. (I just listened to it myself!)

  53. 53.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 2:58 pm

    @bk: Snort!

  54. 54.

    Anonymous At Work

    June 5, 2023 at 2:58 pm

    @JPL: The DoJ wouldn’t offer him a deal he would accept, more accurately.  He’s been given plea bargains in the past for racist rental practices or illegal money laundering at casinos but he never had to accept responsibility or pay more than a token fine and or give anything more substantial than a promise note to do it again (Narrator: He would do it again).

    So, if he sent his attorneys there to bargain, they got laughed out of the room.  “For January 6th, I’ll pay for the carpet cleaning services the next day. For the documents thing, I’ll comp any FBI agents that ordered meals at Mar-a-Lago.”

  55. 55.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 3:00 pm

    There is a trending reddit post about a UFO whistleblower.  Could be the distraction police, or maybe all of our worldviews are about to change.  Stay tuned!

  56. 56.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 5, 2023 at 3:00 pm

    Oh, and if anyone wants to hear the folks at Lawfare (LIVE) at 3pm Eastern today:

    I just clicked the link, and they’re now saying 3:30, not 3:00. So we have an extra half hour to speculate and savor.

  57. 57.

    Redshift

    June 5, 2023 at 3:02 pm

    @JPL:

    Couldn’t they accomodate trump’s secret service on a military base?

    is confinement at some other location an option, or does it have to be either prison or home confinement? I honestly don’t know.

  58. 58.

    Old School

    June 5, 2023 at 3:02 pm

    @pat:

    Where does he get this crap about Biden having 1850 boxes? Does he just make that up?

    Biden donated 1,850 boxes of his senatorial papers to the University of Delaware.  Ted Cruz has said the FBI must search them to determine they don’t contain classified documents as the collection does not become public until two years after Biden retires from public life.

  59. 59.

    sdhays

    June 5, 2023 at 3:03 pm

    @WaterGirl: That’s why I think it’s obvious that he’ll pick someone unquestionably loyal as his running mate this time. Dense was absurdly loyal, but not loyal enough to commit crimes without running it by Dan Quayle(!) first. Dump will choose someone crazy loyal, or else someone who convinces him they are crazy loyal.

  60. 60.

    Anonymous At Work

    June 5, 2023 at 3:04 pm

    @bbleh: EGO.  A failing in law school pedagogy is that “humility” is never taught.  So, most of these white-shoe attorneys have massive egos and assume that they are waging a gigantic battle and will win accolades, etc.

    More than a few will want to be so famous as to become named partners in their firm or a client list that lets them pick the richest and easiest cases for the rest of their lives.

  61. 61.

    S Cerevisiae

    June 5, 2023 at 3:05 pm

    WHAR BOXES? BOXES HOAX!!

    I love the smell of panicked flop sweat in the morning…

  62. 62.

    Redshift

    June 5, 2023 at 3:08 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Trump has no other option, so he is betting all his chips on the ONLY THING that could keep him out of prison.

    Unlike Netanyahu, I don’t believe that’s a big part of what TFG is doing (though I wouldn’t say he isn’t thinking about it at all.) He’s running to undo 2020 and not be a loser, because more than anything else that’s what he can’t abide. If he was motivated by staying out of prison, he could have easily avoided that in the classified documents case – just take any of the multiple opportunities he was afforded to give them back, and there wouldn’t have been more than a slap on the wrist, if that.

  63. 63.

    Redshift

    June 5, 2023 at 3:10 pm

    @Old School: And since they’re not covered by the Presidential Records Act, they’re not US government property, unlike all the documents (classified and unclassified) that TFG kept.

  64. 64.

    trollhattan

    June 5, 2023 at 3:11 pm

    How are these fuckers not violating federal laws, kidnapping and such?

    A second plane reportedly carrying migrants arrived Monday morning in Sacramento, three days after 16 migrants from South America were flown on a private chartered flight from New Mexico to California’s capital city. Logs from the flight tracking website FlightAware showed a flight landing at 10:26 a.m. Monday at Sacramento Executive Airport, about two hours after taking off from Deming, New Mexico, the same departure point as Friday’s flight.

    The FlightAware history for the aircraft shows the plane traveling Monday morning from El Paso International to Deming Municipal Airport, then flying from Deming to Sacramento. The log shows the flight was en route to Sacramento’s McClellan Airport near North Highlands, where Friday’s flight landed, before being diverted to Sacramento Executive Airport.

    Monday’s flight used the same plane as Friday’s charter, operated by Texas-based Berry Aviation, according to flight records compiled by The Sacramento Bee. According to FlightAware, the same de Havilland Dash 8 twin turboprop flew Friday from El Paso International to Deming Municipal to McClellan Airport that morning, then back to El Paso International that afternoon. No other flights were listed for the plane between Friday and Monday.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article276116596.html#storylink=cpy

  65. 65.

    Hoodie

    June 5, 2023 at 3:12 pm

    @Anonymous At Work: From what I’ve witnessed, being a lawyer entails a great deal of emotional insecurity.  Lawyers are often obsessed with getting clients and worry incessantly about losing clients and where the next client will come from.   The big ego can come with some degree of success, which I guess is the inverse of the insecurity that comes before success, e.g., “I’m so wonderful because I’ve gotten all these clients.”  However, getting clients (particularly the right kind) is often dependent on luck, who you know, branding of a particular law firm, etc.

  66. 66.

    cain

    June 5, 2023 at 3:12 pm

    @Old School: it’s not even presidential stuff – just his time when he was a senator – and he hasn’t been a senator since 2007 or something like that. I think that’s like 16 years ago – I think we’re just fine.

    Ted is more likely to leak shit than any Democrat.

  67. 67.

    trollhattan

    June 5, 2023 at 3:12 pm

    @Old School: It’s all a misunderstanding, see, because those boxes are from 1850.

  68. 68.

    Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg

    June 5, 2023 at 3:13 pm

    Halligan has only been in practice for 10 years, and doesn’t have a history regarding issues hat Trump faces. She should have declined the representation – politics and my own animus against Trump notwithstanding, this case really requires a seasoned pro with at least 20 years of high pressure experience. There are hundreds of senior litigators nationwide, male and female, who fit the bill. Trump being Trump, however, he wants a lickspittle who isn’t hard to look at.

  69. 69.

    Redshift

    June 5, 2023 at 3:13 pm

    Possibly my favorite thing about TFG’s legal arguments (and yes, I know they’re really PR/political arguments) is his endless refusal to understand that accusing someone else of being an arsonist doesn’t have anything to do with whether they can arrest you for arson.

  70. 70.

    JaySinWA

    June 5, 2023 at 3:16 pm

    @Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: It wouldn’t be the first less than qualified woman kept around as a Trump pacifier

    ETA Which doesn’t mean she shouldn’t have declined.

  71. 71.

    cain

    June 5, 2023 at 3:18 pm

    @bk: Egads.. I guess she must really enjoy the attention. She must get up on Fox News often.

  72. 72.

    Bill Arnold

    June 5, 2023 at 3:23 pm

    Since it’s a open thread:

    Congrats to the artist who managed to get the NYPD to put ACAB on their own vehicles! It's reminiscent of some other possible examples of graphic design worker sabotage: https://t.co/Tlu62SY7uY https://t.co/2oCWdorJQK— Working Class History (@wrkclasshistory) June 2, 2023

    (All Colors Are Beautiful)

  73. 73.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 5, 2023 at 3:23 pm

    @coin operated: This won’t do it. There is no bar on convicted criminals from serving as President. In principle he could be elected from his prison cell and pardon or commute himself out of there.

  74. 74.

    Maxim

    June 5, 2023 at 3:25 pm

    @Baud: Poor crows. They deserve better.

  75. 75.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 5, 2023 at 3:25 pm

    @Baud: There is a long, long history of exceedingly stupid stories about UFO whistleblowers.

  76. 76.

    Steeplejack

    June 5, 2023 at 3:27 pm

    BREAKING: Mike Pence volunteers to serve any jail or prison time imposed on Donald Trump to prove his undying love and loyalty.

    — Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) June 5, 2023

  77. 77.

    Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg

    June 5, 2023 at 3:27 pm

    @JaySinWA:

    I’d do it – even the bullshit political pedagogy – but I’d recognize that it would be the end of my career and require $5M in an evergreen nonrefundable advance fee that I’d immediately ship off to secure accounts elsewhere.

  78. 78.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 3:28 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: I know.  But I’ve never seen them this excited! (Not that I’ve been looking.)

  79. 79.

    JPL

    June 5, 2023 at 3:29 pm

    @Bill Arnold: Impressive.   One of the comments had Anita Bryant with a save our kids poster.

    I would love for someone to call Ron, Anita.   You know Ron you remind be a lot of Anita Bryant.

  80. 80.

    JPL

    June 5, 2023 at 3:30 pm

    @Steeplejack:  🤣🤣

  81. 81.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 5, 2023 at 3:34 pm

    @Baud: The Air Force stuff a little while ago got a lot of normally fairly skeptical people going “GOVERNMENT ADMITS UFOS ARE REAL!!!” and, I think, mostly embarrassing themselves whether they realized it or not. And then the Chinese balloon hype fed into it.

  82. 82.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 3:35 pm

    @Baud: UFO whistleblower???

  83. 83.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 3:35 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Yes, it is starting as I am pressing Post Comment.

  84. 84.

    jonas

    June 5, 2023 at 3:35 pm

    @WaterGirl: My impression is that, at this point, most of them are *not* top-tier lawyers and probably just see this as an easy way to get some attention, if only from other potential GOP clients.

  85. 85.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 5, 2023 at 3:36 pm

    Hilariously random.

    Happy Pride Month! I always imagine Eternal Silence throwing off the robe and it’s like… pic.twitter.com/uQ5Pe63Apa— [email protected] | אדם 🐻 (@adamselzer) June 2, 2023

    Eternal Silence at Atlas Obscura

  86. 86.

    trollhattan

    June 5, 2023 at 3:36 pm

    How is this woman not a parody? “No parody, no parody, you’re the parody.”
    Bullet dodged, Georgia, bullet dodged.
    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1665545237673000961?cxt=HHwWgoC-jbekmp0uAAAA

  87. 87.

    HumboldtBlue

    June 5, 2023 at 3:37 pm

    For those wondering about California’s response to the kidnapping of immigrants who have been flown to the state.

    Ron DeSantis you small, pathetic man. This isn’t Martha’s Vineyard. Kidnapping charges?

    California Gov. Gavin Newsom says an investigation is now underway in what the state’s attorney general likened to a “state-sanctioned kidnaping” where migrants in Texas were flown to Sacramento without warning.

    Newsom calls DeSantis a ‘small, pathetic man’ amid questions over migrant flight

  88. 88.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 3:37 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: I’m not sure people feel embarrassment for what they believe nowadays.

     

    @WaterGirl: How else would secrets be revealed?

  89. 89.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 5, 2023 at 3:39 pm

    @Baud:

    @WaterGirl: A UFO cut a corner during the intergalactic marathon and is disqualified.  Too bad.  So sad.  Cheaters.

  90. 90.

    trollhattan

    June 5, 2023 at 3:39 pm

    Robert Hanssen now a dead Soviet spy-traitor.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65816862

  91. 91.

    JoyceH

    June 5, 2023 at 3:40 pm

    Typically, how much time elapses between the attorneys’ ‘please don’t indict our client’ meeting, and the actual charges? I’m selfishly hoping that they wait until Thursday – tomorrow a friend is coming down and Wednesday we’ll spend most of the date driving to and from our zipline adventure. I’m as eager for indictment as the next fellow, but on indictment day, all I want to do is order in pizza, plop down in front of the television and BASK.

    As for Trump’s store-brand-generic-Tweet, how did those things become at least somewhat normalized? Why is there no Serious Pundit Discussion about what they say about Trump and his mental state? If the text of these SBGTweets were leaked as a conversation a person was having in the privacy of their own home, they would be a sign of significant derangement, but when you add on that he chooses to release these to the world as his official statements, that adds a whole new level of madness.

  92. 92.

    trollhattan

    June 5, 2023 at 3:41 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: At least they’re mixing things up–the first flight landed 2 miles from my office and the second, 2 from my house. We have two more airports, so….

  93. 93.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 3:42 pm

    @JoyceH:

    Why is there no Serious Pundit Discussion about what they say about Trump and his mental state?

    Trump isn’t a Democrat.

  94. 94.

    randy khan

    June 5, 2023 at 3:42 pm

    @Nora:

    The context is that Trump’s lawyers (in a letter probably dictated by Trump, given how it read) demanded a meeting with Garland and didn’t get it.  I personally see it as Garland giving Trump the back of his hand while also following normal procedure.

  95. 95.

    smith

    June 5, 2023 at 3:43 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:  This goes more to the J6 case than the documents, but the 14th Amendment says:

    Section 3
    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

  96. 96.

    Jeffro

    June 5, 2023 at 3:43 pm

    @Geminid:For Trump, the only way out is through.

    Yes indeed.

    It really is all or nothing for him.  I hope at the end he decides to turn on Putin, all his fellow GOP crooks, Don Jr and Eric, anyone & everyone he can think of in an effort to keep himself out of prison.  Because the alternative is him telling his supporters some thinly-veiled version of “kill them all”, unfortunately.

  97. 97.

    randy khan

    June 5, 2023 at 3:43 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Good thing you can’t do bold, italic, underlined 48 point text on Truth (anti)Social.

  98. 98.

    JPL

    June 5, 2023 at 3:45 pm

    @smith:  Thanks

  99. 99.

    Gravenstone

    June 5, 2023 at 3:47 pm

    @Roger Moore: TPM is going to be an absolute shitshow with how all the Eeyores will disclaim ever doubting Garland. Or if they say anything at all, it will be to lionize Smith while continuing to lambaste “Merrick the Meek”. That’s just how they roll.

  100. 100.

    Frankensteinbeck

    June 5, 2023 at 3:47 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    it can’t be for the money.

    It can.  He’s been paying millions up front lately, because it comes from PACs.  He loves spending other people’s money on himself.

  101. 101.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 3:48 pm

    @randy khan:

    YOU CAN ON BALLOON JUICE!!!

  102. 102.

    Frankensteinbeck

    June 5, 2023 at 3:50 pm

    @Baud:

    AAAAAAAAAUGH

  103. 103.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 3:51 pm

    @Steeplejack: Funny!  But not real.

  104. 104.

    Gravenstone

    June 5, 2023 at 3:51 pm

    @trollhattan: Is there a bold font option? That’s the next logical escalation of poutrage.

  105. 105.

    snoey

    June 5, 2023 at 3:52 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Conviction under the espionage act includes disqualification from federal office. Leading edge origionalist thinkers suspect that the President is not a federal officer because reasons. The 14th amendment has very little chance of actually stopping him.

  106. 106.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 5, 2023 at 3:52 pm

    @Gravenstone:

    Or if they say anything at all, it will be to lionize Smith while continuing to lambaste “Merrick the Meek”. That’s just how they roll.

    Nicholle Wallace and a few others– I think Melber but I don’t watch him– are convinced that Jack Smith arrived last November to find a bare office with a lot of empty files in it, and then started from scratch

  107. 107.

    OverTwistWillie

    June 5, 2023 at 3:52 pm

    Those UFO kooks mean a Space Command for the next five-hundred years.

  108. 108.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 3:53 pm

    @Baud: We trust our BJ peeps!

  109. 109.

    Gravenstone

    June 5, 2023 at 3:53 pm

    @pat: Apparently he’s conflating information that one of the former presidents Bush had multiple boxes of their records stored temporarily in a location that had in a previous life been a Chinese restaurant. The fact those boxes were under the official control of the National Archives never seems to make it in the tale of rage.

  110. 110.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 3:54 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    https://youtu.be/MYQCb3qrBpo

  111. 111.

    Miss Bianca

    June 5, 2023 at 3:54 pm

    @Baud: Great gasbags!

  112. 112.

    Ruckus

    June 5, 2023 at 3:56 pm

    @pat:

    Does he just make that up?

    Possibly. Possibly he’s getting it from some other way out there moron who is just as deluded as he is. And yes, he’s been ShitForBrains for decades. But just pulled it out of his ass – very likely.

  113. 113.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 5, 2023 at 3:56 pm

    @WaterGirl: Why?

  114. 114.

    smith

    June 5, 2023 at 3:58 pm

    @Ruckus: Possibly he’s getting it from some other way out there moron who is just as deluded as he is

    I understand that moron’s name is Ted Cruz.

  115. 115.

    JPL

    June 5, 2023 at 4:04 pm

    Maybe former commenter will join us once again to say even Andrew is right once and awhile.

    Andrew Weissmann 

    @AWeissmann_

    A zillion stories about Trump case — but bottom line is he is getting charged and it will be in DC. And this week. Open issues are whether others may be charged and whether they will be in DC or FLA.

  116. 116.

    bbleh

    June 5, 2023 at 4:10 pm

    @JoyceH: FWIW, I read that, before the recent hiatus, that GJ normally met Thursdays and Fridays, but ain’t no guarantee they’re gonna hand up an indictment at the next meeting, eg there was talk of another witness.

  117. 117.

    Gravenstone

    June 5, 2023 at 4:14 pm

    @trollhattan: Probably trying to avoid having their aircraft seized pending investigation.

  118. 118.

    Ruckus

    June 5, 2023 at 4:15 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Beliefs have no basis in intelligence.

    Beliefs are things one is taught or things that one sees or things that actually make zero sense or have really no real history but strike a cord in a human brain. Is 2+2=4? Are you sure? Or do you just believe this from 1st grade teaching? That is the level of belief. Now my sample is rather obvious but take SFB (PLEASE) – he’s been told, by himself mostly I’d bet, that he is a superior human being. Wealthy, good looking, well dressed, etc. Why? Because he’s got money. Not nearly as much as he could have had if his IQ was at least 1/10 of his weight rather than 1/200. But what it is – is what it is. He’s a loud mouthed, racist POS who started out his “career” inheriting a bunch of money from his dad and stealing most of his siblings inheritance as well. And then he turned it into what you see today. If he wasn’t so smart, wise, informed, wonderful, he could be worth far more. What a choice specimen of a human being. Pardon me while I go throw up.. I’ve never typed anything so ridiculously unfunny and bullshit in my life than those last 2 sentences.  

  119. 119.

    Jeffro

    June 5, 2023 at 4:25 pm

    Btw the full text of Chris Sununu’s op-ed on why he’s not running is really something to behold.  No delusions, minimal anti-Dem spin, just flat-out telling the GOP that trumpov is a loser and they’re heading for disaster if they nominate him again.  Here’s parts of it:

    Our party is on a collision course toward electoral irrelevance without significant corrective action. The stakes are too high for a crowded field to hand the nomination to a candidate who earns just 35 percent of the vote, and I will help ensure this does not happen.

    The path to winning was clear, but I believe I can have more influence on the future of the Republican Party and the 2024 nominating process not as a candidate but as the governor of the first-in-the-nation primary state — a governor who is unafraid to speak candidly about issues, candidates and the direction of our party, untethered from the limitations of a presidential campaign and unleashed from conventional boundaries. We must not be complacent, and candidates should not get into this race to further a vanity campaign, to sell books or to audition to serve as Donald Trump’s vice president.

    In 2024, millennials and Gen Zers will be a significant voting bloc. Republicans must not cede this ground. Too often, we have terrible messengers who are focused on the wrong issues. Instead of pushing deeply unpopular and restrictive nationwide abortion bans, Republicans should recognize that every time they open their mouths to talk about banning abortion, an independent voter joins the Democrats.

    We need to expand beyond the culture wars that alienate independents, young voters and suburban moms. Republicans must offer an optimistic blueprint to prioritize issues that connect with these voters — addressing the homelessness crisis, imposing fiscal responsibility, reducing inflation, securing our borders, becoming energy independent — all while championing their personal freedoms, before they permanently move away from the Republican Party.

    No one can stop candidates from entering this race, but candidates with no path to victory must have the discipline to get out. Anyone polling in the low single digits by this winter needs to have the courage to hang it up and head home.

    Too many other candidates who have entered this race are simply running to be Trump’s vice president. That’s not leadership; that’s weakness. Too many candidates are afraid to confront Trump, surrendering to his attacks. I will have more credibility speaking out against Trump as a non-candidate to help move the conversation toward the future I believe the Republican Party should embrace.

    It really deserves its own thread tonight or tomorrow, hint hint  ;)

  120. 120.

    Ruckus

    June 5, 2023 at 4:27 pm

    @smith:

    Well little teddy does seem to be about as unlikable as any living human.

  121. 121.

    Jackie

    June 5, 2023 at 4:28 pm

    @JPL: Didn’t Bragg listen to a last minute witness AND indict TFG the SAME DAY?

    Just sayin and wishin and hopin…🤞🏻🤞🏻

  122. 122.

    UncleEbeneezer

    June 5, 2023 at 4:29 pm

    @Gravenstone: Or they will just pretend it never happened.  My prediction for the most virulent virulent GarlandHaters owning up and admitting they were incredibly, loudly wrong: ZERO.  It would be like people admitting they were wrong to bash Hillary in 2016.  Their identity is way too wrapped up in the stance they took early on and they are very unlikely to abandon it now.  I wouldn’t expect too many mea culpas from any of the people who have spent the last 2 years bashing Garland.

  123. 123.

    moops

    June 5, 2023 at 4:29 pm

    When is the NY trial supposed to start?   I seem to recall that Trump has already been indicted.

  124. 124.

    Tony Jay

    June 5, 2023 at 4:29 pm

    @narya:

      Luke Broadwater

    Good Hobbit Jedi name.

  125. 125.

    JWR

    June 5, 2023 at 4:29 pm

    From the NYT piece:

    … the visit came amid indications that prosecutors in the special counsel’s office were approaching the end of their inquiry …

    Haven’t all the very serious people been saying this for like, forever? Better safe than sorry, I guess. Like a pre-death obituary.

  126. 126.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 5, 2023 at 4:34 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: A good number will move the goal posts.  Too late.  Insufficient charging.  Won’t be convicted. Will never serve a day in prison.  And so on.

  127. 127.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 4:34 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Sununu is right about Trump, but this

    Republicans should recognize that every time they open their mouths to talk about banning abortion, an independent voter joins the Democrats.

    I don’t see what the GOP can do. Abandoning anti-choice for them would be like the Dems says segregation wasn’t so bad after all.

  128. 128.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 4:35 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    “We made Garland do it!”

  129. 129.

    WaterGirl

    June 5, 2023 at 4:35 pm

    @Baud: hahaha

  130. 130.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 5, 2023 at 4:35 pm

    @JWR: they can’t end the investigation because the Keystone Crooks won’t stop criming

    Kaitlan Collins @kaitlancollins
    A Mar-a-Lago employee drained the pool last October & ended up flooding a room where servers w/ video logs were kept. At least one witness has been asked about it, as DOJ sought more surveillance footage that month.

  131. 131.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 5, 2023 at 4:37 pm

    @Baud: Shit, I forgot that one.

  132. 132.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 4:37 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Fools! That’s were Hillary kept her incriminating emails!

  133. 133.

    Geminid

    June 5, 2023 at 4:39 pm

    @Jeffro: Left unsaid by Sununu: 2028 will be a much better time to run. No one will come out of the 2024 nomination fight unscathed.

  134. 134.

    Steeplejack

    June 5, 2023 at 4:39 pm

    @Baud:

    I reached out to my UFO/​aliens fringe monitoring friend, and she says it’s about this story: “Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin.”

  135. 135.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 4:41 pm

    @Steeplejack: Yes, that’s it.  I didn’t click the reddit link — just read the comments.

  136. 136.

    Frankensteinbeck

    June 5, 2023 at 4:44 pm

    @Jeffro: ​
    Sununu wants his party of fellating the rich, screwing the poor, and only torturing minorities when the code words are convincing back, dang it!

  137. 137.

    Miss Bianca

    June 5, 2023 at 4:45 pm

    @Baud: I’m with you on that one. For me, it’s like, “Chris, Chris, Chris…basically what you’re telling the Republican Party is that they have to stop being the Republican Party – because they got NOTHING on offer except tax cuts, restricting the vote, white supremacy, and misogyny. That’s the problem. Their offer is this – NOTHING.”

  138. 138.

    Baud

    June 5, 2023 at 4:46 pm

    @Baud: says = saying

  139. 139.

    Jeffro

    June 5, 2023 at 4:48 pm

    @Geminid:Left unsaid by Sununu: 2028 will be a much better time to run. No one will come out of the 2024 nomination fight unscathed.

    truth

    “Let’s sit this one out, GOP, rid ourselves of this HORRENDOUS trump-stink, and just win the Senate or hold on to the House (Senate probably preferred) for Biden’s second term.”

  140. 140.

    Jay

    June 5, 2023 at 4:50 pm

    @Ruckus:

    sorry about that, if you need to talk it out. I’m here.

    Maybe just go fishing again.

  141. 141.

    Scout211

    June 5, 2023 at 4:50 pm

    CNN  has another front page EXCLUSIVE!! report in the Mar A Lago documents case.

    ETA: I see others got there first.

    An employee at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence drained the resort’s swimming pool last October and ended up flooding a room where computer servers containing surveillance video logs were kept, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

    While it’s unclear if the room was intentionally flooded or if it happened by mistake, the incident occurred amid a series of events that federal prosecutors found suspicious.

    At least one witness has been asked by prosecutors about the flooded server room as part of the federal investigation into Trump’s handling of classified documents, according to one of the sources.

    The incident, which has not been previously reported, came roughly two months after the FBI retrieved hundreds of classified documents from the Florida residence and as prosecutors obtained surveillance footage to track how White House records were moved around the resort. Prosecutors have been examining any effort to obstruct the Justice Department’s investigation after Trump received a subpoena in May 2022 for classified documents.

    Prosecutors have heard testimony that the IT equipment in the room was not damaged in the flood, according to one source.

    Yet the flooded room as well as conversations and actions by Trump’s employees while the criminal investigation bore down on the club has caught the attention of prosecutors. The circumstances may factor into a possible obstruction conspiracy case, multiple sources tell CNN, as investigators try to determine whether the events of last year around Mar-a-Lago indicate that Trump or a small group of people working for him, took steps to try to interfere with the Justice Department’s evidence-gathering.

  142. 142.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    June 5, 2023 at 4:52 pm

    @Baud: Heckle and Jeckle are in hiding

  143. 143.

    Shalimar

    June 5, 2023 at 4:55 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I don’t watch Wallace most days, but that is surprising to me.  She is normally excellent at remembering minutiae of past stories, so I would expect her to have no trouble with all the details of January 6th investigation stories before Smith was appointed.  The first Grand Jury looking into it was almost 17 months ago iirc.

  144. 144.

    trollhattan

    June 5, 2023 at 4:55 pm

    @Scout211: Only thing that might make it better is if the computer room was on a second floor somewhere.

  145. 145.

    cain

    June 5, 2023 at 4:59 pm

    @Jeffro: lol – he’s just a man crying in the wilderness. The GOP’s reaction is to cheat their way in and give up on Democracy not actually compete.

  146. 146.

    bbleh

    June 5, 2023 at 5:01 pm

    @S Cerevisiae: I wonder if it comes out orange.

  147. 147.

    Steeplejack

    June 5, 2023 at 5:03 pm

    Nicholle Wallace just announced that Jack Smith was in the meeting with Trump’s lawyers at DOJ today.

  148. 148.

    Jay

    June 5, 2023 at 5:05 pm

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:

    Witness Protection,…….

  149. 149.

    Tony Jay

    June 5, 2023 at 5:08 pm

    Deleted

  150. 150.

    Jacel

    June 5, 2023 at 5:11 pm

    @pat: That was the 1850 boxes of records from Biden’s  senatorial career (covering 1973-2009), which were donated to the University Of Delaware and currently sealed. That’s less than one box per week of his career. No indication of there being classified documents in there at all, other than Ted Cruz and others speculating.

  151. 151.

    Nettoyeur

    June 5, 2023 at 5:19 pm

    @WaterGirl: Big money GOP clients with legal exposure, of which there are many.

  152. 152.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    June 5, 2023 at 5:27 pm

    @bk: ​
     I didn’t know Lionel Hutz had a law partner

  153. 153.

    Manyakitty

    June 5, 2023 at 5:53 pm

    @WaterGirl: right? They’re torching their reputations. Man-tan and Cheeto dust stain permanently.

  154. 154.

    Manyakitty

    June 5, 2023 at 6:06 pm

    @trollhattan: so that means his cell is available for the next national security disaster. Bring it.

  155. 155.

    sab

    June 5, 2023 at 6:48 pm

    @Manyakitty: You instagramed a email address to me. I didn’t save so instagram (what part of insta did I not see) ate it. Or I don’t yet know how to work it.

    We need to get forward on the meetup, and I seem to be the holdup. Instagram me or get Watergirl to e mail me. It is the e- mail starting with 18. She knows it. Email is better.

  156. 156.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    June 5, 2023 at 7:09 pm

    @Jay: Heh!

  157. 157.

    Chris T.

    June 5, 2023 at 8:44 pm

    @Redshift:

    He’s running to undo 2020 and not be a loser, because more than anything else that’s what he can’t abide.

    Exactly. If he wins in the future, 2020 was just a “temporary setback”. His death in another ten years (or sooner if his rages combine with the hamberders) will also be just another “temporary setback”…

  158. 158.

    Chris T.

    June 5, 2023 at 8:49 pm

    @Jeffro: (quoting Chris Sununu)

    Republicans must offer an optimistic blueprint to prioritize issues that connect with these voters — addressing the homelessness crisis, imposing fiscal responsibility, reducing inflation, securing our borders, becoming energy independent …

    Unfortunately for Mr Sununu, those are all Democratic ideas.

  159. 159.

    We look like corn cobs!

    June 5, 2023 at 9:27 pm

    @Jeffro: Naw, it’s just the same old same old:

    Too often, we have terrible messengers

    If only they just tweak the message…

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