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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Dolt 45 / A Trump Lagniappe

A Trump Lagniappe

by Tom Levenson|  June 9, 20234:55 pm| 176 Comments

This post is in: Dolt 45, Open Threads, Republican Crime Syndicate, Trump Indictments

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Nothing like discovering you’ve been indicted on 31 37* counts of various national security law violations (including, apparently, sharing military secrets with any car dealer from Grosse Pointe willing to cough up the Bedminster entry fee**) and then losing two of your top lawyers–the ones who just took the “Yup. He’s going to be indicted” meeting with the DoJ):

A Trump Lagniappe

“A firm to be named later” is simply perfection. It’s kind of like trading an MLB starter for a bag of snacks and a minor league utility infielder with a noodle arm.

A Trump Lagniappe 1

I’ll repeat here advice I gave yesterday on social media, free, gratis, and for nothing:  any Florida-licensed attorney considering taking on this client needs to get paid up front for the estimate (with a generous contingency) of what it’ll take to work from indictment to verdict.

Even if the money’s coming from Trump’s PAC, would you want to bet on his honoring any invoice presented after a conviction?

Anyway–there’s a long road ahead and there are no sure things except for Box Hoax in the fourth at an upstate track where the local wise guys have taken an interest. So we have to take our schadenfreude when it’s offered, right?

This thread is as open as the 24-hour Denny’s in Sparks, Nevada.

*Thanks Scout211

**Might be hyperbole. Might not. Impossible to tell with this guy.

Image: Thomas Eakins, Baseball players practicing, 1875.

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  1. 1.

    raven

    June 9, 2023 at 4:57 pm

    A little something extra!

  2. 2.

    El Cruzado

    June 9, 2023 at 4:59 pm

    He ran out of good lawyers quite a while ago, didn’t he?

  3. 3.

    raven

    June 9, 2023 at 5:00 pm

    When my brother graduated from McGeorge Law School we had a post graduation party at the Denny’s next to the hotel. They brought my old man the bill and I thought his eyes were going to pop out of his head. Someone had badly miscalculated and he made out like a bandit!!

  4. 4.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 9, 2023 at 5:00 pm

    I saw that “firm to be named later” somewhere and thought it was a joke.

  5. 5.

    raven

    June 9, 2023 at 5:01 pm

    @El Cruzado: From the last thread (and Better Call Saul)

     

    We don’t need a criminal lawyer we need a criminal!!

  6. 6.

    Jay C

    June 9, 2023 at 5:04 pm

    BTW, I only just noticed (after someone posted a highlighted copy on the ‘Net) that that by-now-well-circulated photo of those document boxes piled up in that Mar-a-Lago bathroom also shows some items (a stack of more boxes, apparently), piled in the bathtub, and shrouded by the shower curtain pulled across.

    Obviously, when advised that Classified documents ought to, properly, be stored in a “SCIF”, Trump or his people seem to have interpreted that requirement as “Shower Curtain In Front”….

  7. 7.

    Geminid

    June 9, 2023 at 5:04 pm

    @El Cruzado: They say Todd Blanche is a good attorney. It’s probably 50-50 odds that Blanche will make it to the trial, though. Even if Trump pays, he’ll be an awful client.

  8. 8.

    Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)

    June 9, 2023 at 5:06 pm

    Trump must be down to ambulance chasers at this point. Who else would take his case(s)?

    Never mind, I know plenty of lawyers who don’t regret those deals with their souls being held as collateral. Looking at you, Federalist Society.

  9. 9.

    Scout211

    June 9, 2023 at 5:08 pm

    Nothing like discovering you’ve been indicted on 31 counts of various national security law violations

    I thought it was 37 counts.

    A 37-count criminal indictment against Donald Trump was unsealed Friday, revealing allegations that the former president willfully retained hundreds of classified government records and conspired to prevent their return to U.S. officials.

  10. 10.

    WaterGirl

    June 9, 2023 at 5:10 pm

    @El Cruzado:  I believe he ran out of good lawyers before he started!

  11. 11.

    gene108

    June 9, 2023 at 5:12 pm

    I’m surprised Congressional Republicans defending Trump haven’t invoked the Divine Right of Republican Presidents to never be held accountable for anything.

    It’s in the Constitution Jesus wrote and gave to the Founders.

  12. 12.

    JCJ

    June 9, 2023 at 5:12 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:  Where the Milwaukee Brewers play (American Family Field – what a horrible name) there is a restaurant overlooking the diamond from left field.  At one time it was called “Restaurant To Be Named Later”.  It is now called Leinenkugel’s Barrel Yard.

  13. 13.

    Tom Levenson

    June 9, 2023 at 5:13 pm

    @Scout211: Thanks. Corrected.

  14. 14.

    NotMax

    June 9, 2023 at 5:14 pm

    Plugging Sparks?
    :)

  15. 15.

    Tom Levenson

    June 9, 2023 at 5:14 pm

    @JCJ: I would have loved to have a beer in the RTBNL

  16. 16.

    raven

    June 9, 2023 at 5:14 pm

    @Scout211: nope

  17. 17.

    japa21

    June 9, 2023 at 5:15 pm

    @JCJ: Not a great name, but the insurance company paid good money to get their name there.  Most stadiums now have stupid sounding names, just like bowl games.

  18. 18.

    Tom Levenson

    June 9, 2023 at 5:15 pm

    @NotMax: I get the play…

    But as someone who has had the experience of drinking tequila in Sparks on one of the top three most stressful nights of my life…ain’t plugging that burg. Not now, not ever.

  19. 19.

    Tom Levenson

    June 9, 2023 at 5:16 pm

    @raven: Yup. 37 counts. My mistake was to focus on the 31 counts targeting willful retention of defense info.

  20. 20.

    NotMax

    June 9, 2023 at 5:17 pm

    @japa21

    What, no Preparation H Field?
    //

  21. 21.

    JCJ

    June 9, 2023 at 5:22 pm

    @japa21:  Oh I know.  It is still Miller Park in my mind.  I think it is funny that they renamed the road from Miller Park Way to Brewers Way.  At least some of Leinenkugel’s offerings are acceptable.  Not Chimay or Pilsner Urquell, but acceptable.

  22. 22.

    japa21

    June 9, 2023 at 5:23 pm

    @NotMax: I think that’s a minor league park.

  23. 23.

    JCJ

    June 9, 2023 at 5:23 pm

    @NotMax:  That is for the players who sit on the bench for a long time.

  24. 24.

    MattF

    June 9, 2023 at 5:28 pm

    I don’t see TFG hiring lawyers who will both be honest with him and will last through any trial. Bear in mind that “You’re fired” was the thematic phrase in his reality show. It’s a question of behavioral repertoire.

  25. 25.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 5:28 pm

    This thread is as open as the 24-hour Denny’s in Sparks, Nevada.

    I don’t know if this is a reference I’m not getting, but my dad’s father was born in Sparks, so…hey. Nice.

  26. 26.

    Sister Golden Bear

    June 9, 2023 at 5:28 pm

    @Tom Levenson: Reno ain’t Hell, but you can see Sparks from there. <rimshot>

  27. 27.

    Miss Bianca

    June 9, 2023 at 5:30 pm

    Ahem…she said, wincing slightly at her own pedantry, but still…as a former Grosse Pointer, may I point out, grossly or no, that “Grosse Pointe” has an “e” on the end? ‘Tis French, after all…

  28. 28.

    kalakal

    June 9, 2023 at 5:31 pm

    @japa21: The UK has some horrors

    eg The Cashpoint Arena and The Totally Wicked Stadium.

    My favourite is The Bargain Booze Stadium

  29. 29.

    C Stars

    June 9, 2023 at 5:32 pm

    @Jay C: his people seem to have interpreted that requirement as “Shower Curtain In Front”

    There’s something so tawdry about hiding documents in a bathtub. No joke, a former employer of mine used to do that and several years after I left he was found guilty of embezzlement.

  30. 30.

    Elizabelle

    June 9, 2023 at 5:32 pm

    @Tom Levenson:

    drinking tequila in Sparks on one of the top three most stressful nights of my life

    Do you want us to ask about that one?

  31. 31.

    Scout211

    June 9, 2023 at 5:34 pm

    Update on lawyers.  link

    I don’t know how accurate this is, but CNN is now saying that Trump fired removed Trusty and Rowley this morning, despite their resignation letters.  This makes more sense.

    In a sudden move, Trump announced Friday morning that he was removing two of his top attorneys, Jim Trusty and John Rowley, from the case and said Todd Blanche, a defense lawyer he hired in April after being indicted in Manhattan, would take the lead. Soon after, Trusty and Rowley issued a joint statement in which they said they were resigning from the legal team entirely.

    Trump is considering adding Miami-based attorney Benedict Kuehne to his legal team, a source familiar with the matter told CNN. He has not been formally added to the team yet but could join soon given Trump’s expected court appearance on Tuesday. CNN has reached out to Kuehne for comment.

  32. 32.

    Tom Levenson

    June 9, 2023 at 5:36 pm

    @Elizabelle: Nope.

  33. 33.

    scav

    June 9, 2023 at 5:37 pm

    @NotMax: I always wanted Ty-d-Bol to up their football sponsorship.

    Especially after the design of Soldiers Field landed.

  34. 34.

    Tom Levenson

    June 9, 2023 at 5:38 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Ooops.

    Fix’t.

    Thanks for the correction.

  35. 35.

    sdhays

    June 9, 2023 at 5:38 pm

    At this point, what difference would a good legal team make compared to a bad one? Trump tried to manipulate his previous legal team to lie to the FBI, and the FBI has proof of this. That’s not someone who takes legal advice he doesn’t want to hear, and even if he’s now sufficiently scared to take legal advice he doesn’t want to hear, unless the FBI really fucked up somewhere, does it matter how good his lawyers are at this point?

  36. 36.

    Scout211

    June 9, 2023 at 5:39 pm

    @Tom Levenson: ain’t plugging that burg. Not now, not ever.

    Age 24, moving to California with all my worldly belongings stuffed into my little subcompact (well, as many worldly belongings as a poor grad student could possess) my car was broken into outside of a motel in Sparks.  I have bad memories from there myself.

  37. 37.

    Spanky

    June 9, 2023 at 5:41 pm

    Just to remind youse guys, that’s 37 counts – so far.

  38. 38.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 9, 2023 at 5:41 pm

    Got yer objective recusal standard right here

  39. 39.

    Baud

    June 9, 2023 at 5:44 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    But did she exchange pleasantries with Melania on a tarmac?

  40. 40.

    Scout211

    June 9, 2023 at 5:44 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Whoa!

  41. 41.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 9, 2023 at 5:46 pm

    @Baud: Good point.

  42. 42.

    Miss Bianca

    June 9, 2023 at 5:49 pm

    @Tom Levenson: Thank’ee, sir. Carry on!

  43. 43.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 9, 2023 at 5:51 pm

    @Scout211: A bit more than just Trump appointed, huh?

  44. 44.

    Ken

    June 9, 2023 at 5:51 pm

    @C Stars: Now, now. As I understand it, the bathroom was just temporary storage, to hide them from the people who were trying to retrieve the stolen documents. Once they left, the boxes were moved back to the secure storage in the grand ballroom.

  45. 45.

    Baud

    June 9, 2023 at 5:54 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Why didn’t that come out the first time with the search warrant lawsuit?

  46. 46.

    mvr

    June 9, 2023 at 5:54 pm

    Imagine having to sit next to that guy for a week or perhaps even two of his trial and having to pretend you like him. You have to do that for the jury. So it helps if you can like him.

    I worked as a legal investigator/trial assistant for a good criminal lawyer. I usually went to court with my boss because we were pretty high end and it was advantageous to have an extra perspective on what was going on. We generally liked our clients, even the ones charge w murder and such. They might have been assholes to everyone else but they were nice to us; we were often their only hope of avoiding big trouble. And most people, even most people accused of crimes, have a good side. So you can like them for that good side. And you feel genuinely upset when you lose a case for your client, as you sometimes will.

    But with Trump all of the liking behavior would have to be pretense, and a difficult pretense. Not worth any amount of money to do that job.

  47. 47.

    PsiFighter37

    June 9, 2023 at 5:54 pm

    I think I am riding a schadenfraude high that is higher than is possibly recordable.

    PF37 +3 and counting

  48. 48.

    UncleEbeneezer

    June 9, 2023 at 5:55 pm

    Anyone else watching Daisy Jones & The Six on Amazon?  It’s a 1970’s drama about a band that hits the big time that shares many similarities with The Eagles and Fleetwood Mac.  I wouldn’t say it’s must-see or “prestige” tv, but it’s fun and has great costumes, styling and retro Los Angeles locations.  The music is good, but nothing to write home about.  But if you love 70’s nostalgia, it might be up your alley.

  49. 49.

    smith

    June 9, 2023 at 5:56 pm

    @Ken: Or whisked away to Bedminster or some unknown undisclosed location. Am I reading it correctly that there are still at least 30 boxes of documents unaccounted for?

  50. 50.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 9, 2023 at 5:56 pm

    @Baud:  It’s not my day to do oppo research.

  51. 51.

    Shana

    June 9, 2023 at 5:57 pm

    @kalakal: Are those real?

  52. 52.

    mvr

    June 9, 2023 at 5:57 pm

    @sdhays: There are going to be legal issues on which you’d rather have a good lawyer than a bad one. Challenging warrants, keeping evidence out, chain of custody, providing a foundation for the introduction of evidence in an appropriate way, qualifying witnesses, etc.
    Of course having a good lawyer is more of an advantage when you are up against a bad lawyer and all indications are that Smith is pretty good himself.

  53. 53.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    June 9, 2023 at 5:57 pm

    @Baud: @Omnes Omnibus:   why didn’t it come up in her confirmation hearing?

    [rhetorical question, no need to reply]

  54. 54.

    Baud

    June 9, 2023 at 5:59 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Fine. But I expect it on my desk by Tuesday.

  55. 55.

    C Stars

    June 9, 2023 at 5:59 pm

    @Ken: The documents were taking a grand tour of Mar A Lago.

  56. 56.

    Ken

    June 9, 2023 at 5:59 pm

    @smith: I dunno, I still haven’t had time to read the thing. In a way I don’t want to — that way when I see comments like Tom Levenson‘s saying that 31 of the 37 counts are for defense info, I can imagine the other 6 are for, oh, cannibalism, sex trafficking, and witchcraft.

  57. 57.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 9, 2023 at 5:59 pm

    @Shana: That’s a very Trumpian question.

  58. 58.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 9, 2023 at 6:00 pm

    @Baud: So they could bring it out now?

    eta: the search warrant was a slam dunk? so why use all their ammo on fish in a barrel? why not hold it back for when you really need it?

  59. 59.

    smith

    June 9, 2023 at 6:02 pm

    @Ken: I can imagine the other 6 are for, oh, cannibalism, sex trafficking, and witchcraft.

    All in good time. We’ve still got a couple grand juries to go.

  60. 60.

    Dan B

    June 9, 2023 at 6:03 pm

    @japa21:  Seattle’s newly renovated hockey stadium is named Climate Change Arena.  It has something to do with not wanting winter disappearing.

  61. 61.

    C Stars

    June 9, 2023 at 6:03 pm

    There are so many news articles about this…does anyone know WHY the lawyers left/were booted? Did TFG see them as failures because he got indicted? Or did they resign because they are legally exposed?

  62. 62.

    geg6

    June 9, 2023 at 6:03 pm

    @japa21:

    Yes, one of my major bugaboos.  Heinz Field will always be just that to me and pretty much all the people of Pittsburgh.  No one knows WTF Acrisure even is, let alone has any idea what connection it has with Pittsburgh and the Steelers.  Everyone knows the connection of Heinz to Pittsburgh.  If they ever rename PPG Paints Arena, I will similarly always call it PPG Paints Arena.  Everyone knows the ties between PPG and Pittsburgh.

  63. 63.

    craigie

    June 9, 2023 at 6:08 pm

    @japa21:

    Since this is an open thread, I’ll just note for the record that I am constantly grateful for the fact that the Hollywood Bowl is still called the Hollywood Bowl and not the AT&T Hollywood Bowl, and that the Greek Theater is still called the Greek Theater and not the Verizon Greek Theater, or some such.

    I hope I haven’t jinxed it.

    That is all.

  64. 64.

    Immanentize

    June 9, 2023 at 6:08 pm

    Dispatches from the Immp:

    Trump is such a cartoon villain. He constantly foils his own plots by being ludicrously evil and constantly monologuing, I find it so funny. Also, I saw a bit of fox news and all they could say was “but her emails!”

    The kids are alrighty.

  65. 65.

    Baud

    June 9, 2023 at 6:09 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Immp is alrighty.

  66. 66.

    geg6

    June 9, 2023 at 6:10 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    I found it fun.  But then, I graduated high school in 1977.  And my boyfriend was the guitar player in a fairly successful local rock band.  So, ummm…kinda a slice of my life there.

  67. 67.

    Immanentize

    June 9, 2023 at 6:10 pm

    Also, too. Getting rid of your lawyers when indictments roll out is move number one to slow down the process.

    (Also it is probably a smart idea to move to very serious criminal defense attorneys at this point.)

  68. 68.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 9, 2023 at 6:11 pm

    @Immanentize: Well said, and a pat on the back for his Daddy who raised him.

  69. 69.

    Immanentize

    June 9, 2023 at 6:12 pm

    @Baud: 👍

  70. 70.

    japa21

    June 9, 2023 at 6:12 pm

    @geg6: And American Family has ties to Wisconsin as it is headquartered in Madison. BTW, its also an excellent insurance company.

  71. 71.

    Karen

    June 9, 2023 at 6:12 pm

    Does the fact that the jury will be in Florida and it’s Judge Aileen (sp) Cannon weigh heavily in Trump’s favor?

  72. 72.

    Immanentize

    June 9, 2023 at 6:13 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: Don’t forget his Mom who taught him to love Hilary! He got both barrels, poor kid.

  73. 73.

    SuzieC

    June 9, 2023 at 6:13 pm

    @mvr: Especially since he wears a diaper.

  74. 74.

    Redshift

    June 9, 2023 at 6:17 pm

    @NotMax:

    What, no Preparation H Field?

    No, but there’s a venue near Manassas, VA called “Jiffy Lube Live,” which locals have nicknamed “The Lube.”

  75. 75.

    RaflW

    June 9, 2023 at 6:17 pm

    @Baud: Dahlia Lithwick and Mark Stern had that photo on a 2022 article in Slate. Didn’t get traction then, tho, I guess.

  76. 76.

    Delk

    June 9, 2023 at 6:17 pm

    And the chef’s kiss: Garland issued a statement in honor of Pride Month.

  77. 77.

    bk

    June 9, 2023 at 6:18 pm

    @Baud: It isn’t her.

  78. 78.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    June 9, 2023 at 6:19 pm

    “firm to be named later”

    Lionel Hutz & Associates

  79. 79.

    Immanentize

    June 9, 2023 at 6:19 pm

    @Karen: I can take this one: No.

    Federal juries are really different than State juries. Most states have (with some fed pressure) gone to “motor voter” lists to pick juror pools. So does the Fed system, but the area that a federal jury pool (where I clerked for the Chief Judge of the Southern District) is much wider — think less city and more surrounding burbs and rural areas. We used to marvel (I was a state public defender in Miami after) how federal juries show up in ties and nice dresses! They are definitely conservative, but not from what I still know, crazy Trumpy. Con? It only takes one to hang a jury.

  80. 80.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 9, 2023 at 6:19 pm

    @Immanentize: ​No, never. My boys came out alright. I’m pretty sure their mother had something to do with it, between her stints in prison, even if I am hard pressed to see it. I am happy for you.

  81. 81.

    WaterGirl

    June 9, 2023 at 6:21 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Totally objective

    It’s unseemly for a judge to be taking so blatant a political position.  Am I wrong about that?  Is that totally kosher

    I want to know when the photo was taken.

  82. 82.

    Baud

    June 9, 2023 at 6:21 pm

    @bk:

    That’s no excuse not to use it.

  83. 83.

    Redshift

    June 9, 2023 at 6:22 pm

    @JCJ: A friend of mine lived on Temporary Road when she first moved here.

  84. 84.

    Baud

    June 9, 2023 at 6:22 pm

    @Delk:

    Garland issued a statement in honor of Pride Month.

     
    Nine days late. Feckless.

  85. 85.

    JPL

    June 9, 2023 at 6:23 pm

    @Immanentize: Sweet!

  86. 86.

    Immanentize

    June 9, 2023 at 6:24 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: Shall we start a self-help program promoting partnering with those once (or in the future) referred to as “Convict?”

    Uhhh, no. Your kids are, I dare say, your kids.  Miss you, bro. And I want paella.

  87. 87.

    RaflW

    June 9, 2023 at 6:25 pm

    @craigie: That it isn’t the Chobani Flip Zero Sugar Greek Theater is frankly totally surprising in 2023.

  88. 88.

    JPL

    June 9, 2023 at 6:25 pm

    @WaterGirl: From my understanding, she can delay the trial until after the election.  I can’t imagine that the special counsel isn’t ready for this though.

    hah My understanding comes from information that I found on the web, so take that with a grain of salt.

    Maybe Imma will add to it.

  89. 89.

    Jackie

    June 9, 2023 at 6:26 pm

    I left for TWO HOURS and I still haven’t caught up with you all! At least I’ve made it to this post! Now I need to back up and read it😁

  90. 90.

    MattF

    June 9, 2023 at 6:26 pm

    Good summary of how TrumpWorld operates.

  91. 91.

    WaterGirl

    June 9, 2023 at 6:27 pm

    @C Stars: Trump complained earlier this week about happy talk from his lawyers, who (Trump says) told him it was unlikely that he would actually be indicted.

    Just speculating, but since Trump never takes responsibility for anything, he has to blame the lawyers.  Publicly.  Because he needs people to know (believe) that it’s not Trump’s fault.  He is the victim.  AGAIN.

    What kind of people are drawn to people who are always the victim?  Water finds its own level..

  92. 92.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    June 9, 2023 at 6:28 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: ​
      Digya see “Licorice Pizza“? Phenomenally delightful love story from Paul Thomas Anderson (“Boogie Nights”, “There Will Be Blood”) full of 70s nostalgia.

  93. 93.

    WaterGirl

    June 9, 2023 at 6:29 pm

    @RaflW: Article is dated Sept 2022.

    I have lost track of time. When was Cannon involved in the case?

  94. 94.

    Wapiti

    June 9, 2023 at 6:30 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Holy… For real?  She should have recused the first time he appeared before her.

  95. 95.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 9, 2023 at 6:31 pm

    @Baud: ​
      Speaking of…. Has anyone seen Cacti?

  96. 96.

    brendancalling

    June 9, 2023 at 6:32 pm

    @smith: DIG UP IVANA.

  97. 97.

    MomSense

    June 9, 2023 at 6:32 pm

    @Immanentize:

    You’ve got one of the good ones there.  Makes me happy.

  98. 98.

    Maxim

    June 9, 2023 at 6:33 pm

    @geg6: Candlestick Park (SF) will always be Candlestick to me. I don’t even pay attention to the nom du jour.

  99. 99.

    moops

    June 9, 2023 at 6:33 pm

    It will be fun to see Trump and his team scramble when Smith drops the DC indictment on them.

  100. 100.

    geg6

    June 9, 2023 at 6:33 pm

    @japa21:

    See?!?!  I had no idea it was an insurance company.  Never heard of it before.  Don’t know anyone else who has either.  We’ve all been scratching our heads ever since it was announced.  Meh.  Who cares?  It is Heinz Field.

    Shit always comes back around.  There’s a big concert venue here that was named Starlake Amphitheater when it was built thirty or so years ago.  Then it was named for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.  Then the name switched to a regional bank.  It may have had one or two other names along the way, but everyone continued to call it Starlake.  And what do you know?  A couple years ago, it changed back to Starlake, as it truly was all along.

  101. 101.

    Yutsano

    June 9, 2023 at 6:33 pm

    I swear y’all are enjoying this too much. I just don’t want things to drag too long.

  102. 102.

    Immanentize

    June 9, 2023 at 6:35 pm

    @MomSense: Moi Aussi!

    And he is getting good pay for his internship this summer. Happy Dad.

  103. 103.

    WaterGirl

    June 9, 2023 at 6:36 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Nothing since we were talking about Lichti being fired.

    And that was BEFORE the indictments.

  104. 104.

    JPL

    June 9, 2023 at 6:38 pm

    @moops: You think?

  105. 105.

    Yutsano

    June 9, 2023 at 6:38 pm

    @geg6: ​The original Seahawks stadium was named Qwest Field (local comms company) bought out then became CenturyLink Field and is now the silly Lumen Field. But thanks to CenturyLink it’s the Clink. And I don’t think anyone around calls it differently.

  106. 106.

    JPL

    June 9, 2023 at 6:39 pm

    @Immanentize: That’s awesome.

  107. 107.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 9, 2023 at 6:39 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Shall we start a self-help program promoting partnering with those once (or in the future) referred to as “Convict?”

    Why not? My sons love her even if I can’t bear to say “Hello.” to her. I will do anything for them. Hell’s bells, I already have.

    Uhhh, no. Your kids are, I dare say, your kids.

    Ummm… No. I mean, they are always my sons, but they are also men in their own right. I taught them to think for themselves (as best I could) and they do. Who am I to complain when they come to different conclusions than mine? They are 2 strong men who think for themselves and accept that I don’t always agree with them. I have to do the same for them.

    Miss you, bro. And I want paella.

    And I you.

    We should set a date and a place for the paella. I’m pretty sure your place gets better seafood that ours, tho my NOLA son’s is damned fine too.

  108. 108.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 9, 2023 at 6:42 pm

    @MattF:

    That was a good read! Thanks.

  109. 109.

    Betty Cracker

    June 9, 2023 at 6:44 pm

    It’s a baseball and schadenfreude-fest evening, so the illustration is perfect, Tom!

  110. 110.

    C Stars

    June 9, 2023 at 6:44 pm

    @WaterGirl: Just speculating, but since Trump never takes responsibility for anything, he has to blame the lawyers.

    It’s so difficult with the MAGA regime to separate out what is sheer pettiness and what is actual incompetence.

  111. 111.

    Frankensteinbeck

    June 9, 2023 at 6:44 pm

    @Karen:

    My understanding is that because the judge performed so badly that the 11th Circuit had to tell her off on the last case, if she does anything suspicious Smith can ask and probably get the 11th Circuit to remove and replace her.

  112. 112.

    Redshift

    June 9, 2023 at 6:46 pm

    @WaterGirl: I don’t think it’s just blame-shifting. TFG has a lifelong reputation for surrounding himself with yes-men. Sure, that means he can conveniently blame them for agreeing with him, but I don’t think that’s the primary motivation/pathology.

  113. 113.

    C Stars

    June 9, 2023 at 6:46 pm

    @Maxim: Candlestick park is well on its way to being reclaimed by nature since the niners moved to San Jose or Santa Clara or whatever it is.

  114. 114.

    Roger Moore

    June 9, 2023 at 6:46 pm

    @sdhays:

    At this point, what difference would a good legal team make compared to a bad one?

    Good lawyers could help with damage mitigation.

  115. 115.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    June 9, 2023 at 6:48 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    @WaterGirl:

    How much you want to bet if he shows up he’ll seamlessly switch to, “They took too long!”

  116. 116.

    Betty Cracker

    June 9, 2023 at 6:49 pm

    @Immanentize: Well said, kiddo!

  117. 117.

    frosty

    June 9, 2023 at 6:52 pm

    It’s raining here on the Mason-Dixon Line!!! It’s been quite awhile – probably because I just finished watering the veggie garden and I thought about getting my car washed today.

    Also, we’ll be camping (trailer) for a few days next week so the weather is getting in some practice for us.

  118. 118.

    Roger Moore

    June 9, 2023 at 6:52 pm

    @craigie:

    Since this is an open thread, I’ll just note for the record that I am constantly grateful for the fact that the Hollywood Bowl is still called the Hollywood Bowl and not the AT&T Hollywood Bowl, and that the Greek Theater is still called the Greek Theater and not the Verizon Greek Theater, or some such.

    The Rose Bowl is still the Rose Bowl, and LA Memorial Colosseum is still LA Memorial Colosseum.  OTOH, Staples Center, which wasn’t a great name to begin with, is now Crypto.com Arena, which is just terrible.  I kind of hope Crypto.com gets in enough legal trouble that some of it rubs off, just to punish the venue for associating themselves with such an awful sponsor.

  119. 119.

    japa21

    June 9, 2023 at 6:52 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): ​
      No, he’ll start in on the Jan 6 debacle and why they haven’t indicted Trump on that yet. After all, that was the more serious crime. This is nothing compared to that.. They just went after the low hanging fruit and…

  120. 120.

    japa21

    June 9, 2023 at 6:54 pm

    @Roger Moore: ​
      Since we’re talking about sports commercial tie-ins, it is so nice to watch a baseball game and not see FTX on the umps.

  121. 121.

    Steeplejack

    June 9, 2023 at 6:55 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Lord, I went over to Fox News for five minutes a while ago to see if they were doing “Six Tasty Summer Salads” or something, but they were actually “covering” the indictment. Jeanine Pirro did an extended, unhinged rant, louder and screechier than I’ve ever heard her. And she was bringing in everything and the kitchen sink, including targeted persecution by (senile) Biden and Hillary stole 33,000 documents and destroyed them. Even some of her co-panelists were looking like “back away and don’t make eye contact.”

  122. 122.

    MomSense

    June 9, 2023 at 6:55 pm

    @Ken:

    Ha!

  123. 123.

    UncleEbeneezer

    June 9, 2023 at 7:00 pm

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: We tried Licorice Pizza but just couldn’t get into.  The notion of an attractive 20-something woman, being attracted to a 15 year old boy was just too weird and unrealistic.  We just kept asking “so why is she supposed to be into him?” and never found a sufficient reason.

  124. 124.

    twbrandt

    June 9, 2023 at 7:01 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: or Sanjeevs

  125. 125.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    June 9, 2023 at 7:01 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    I’m surprised Crypto.com can afford the sponsorship after the 2022 crypto crash. BTC still hasn’t recovered its highs of a few years ago 2021-2022

    BTC as of June 9, 2023, looking back 5 years

  126. 126.

    Delk

    June 9, 2023 at 7:03 pm

    Byline Bank Aragon Ballroom   sigh

  127. 127.

    Rand Careaga

    June 9, 2023 at 7:03 pm

    @Tom Levenson:

    In 1974, while hitching from Santa Cruz to Colorado Springs, I was harassed by a pair of Sparks police, the second-nastiest I’d ever encountered—although, in fairness, a distant second, measured against the trio who beat me up in Southern California (“We don’t like your kind”—i.e., longhairs—“around here”) three years earlier. The Sparks constabulary contented themselves with tossing the contents of my knapsack for drugs. Being a septuagenarian sucks in certain respects, but an upside is that the cops no longer view me as lawful prey.

  128. 128.

    Shalimar

    June 9, 2023 at 7:05 pm

    I wonder if Trump’s lawyers realize the FBI is going to raid all his properties including Bedminster during the arraignment on Tuesday looking for the remaining documents?  DoJ knows Trump still has national security secrets.   He hasn’t left them any other way to recover them.

  129. 129.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    June 9, 2023 at 7:06 pm

    @japa21:

    LOL, like this isn’t. National security and espionage is a big effen deal. People who seriously argue that are idiots

  130. 130.

    Roger Moore

    June 9, 2023 at 7:09 pm

    @Maxim:

    Candlestick Park (SF) will always be Candlestick to me.

    It doesn’t exist anymore.  It was replaced for baseball with Pacific Bell Park (later ATT Park, now Oracle Park) and for football with Levi’s Stadium.

  131. 131.

    frosty

    June 9, 2023 at 7:12 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: ​
     I haven’t watched Daisy Jones and the Six, but having lived all over SoCal in the 70s, it sounds like something I’d like to see. Thanks!

  132. 132.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 9, 2023 at 7:16 pm

    @Rand Careaga: Being a septuagenarian sucks in certain respects, but an upside is that the cops no longer view me as lawful prey.

    That statement alone deserves a thumbs up.

  133. 133.

    Craig

    June 9, 2023 at 7:25 pm

    @Maxim: um, Candlestick is a flattened pile of rubble in Hunter’s Point. They bulldozed it in 2015. All the folks I know just call the place the Giants play The Yard.

  134. 134.

    MomSense

    June 9, 2023 at 7:26 pm

    This is my favorite synopsis so far.

    https://twitter.com/metroadlib/status/1667248343255220227?s=46&t=93kFM-bONPkGsWNzo_AKLQ Fooler Initiative

  135. 135.

    Roger Moore

    June 9, 2023 at 7:33 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    The notion of an attractive 20-something woman, being attracted to a 15 year old boy was just too weird and unrealistic.

    You’ll hear about a high school teacher getting pregnant by a 15-year-old student now and then, so it’s definitely something that happens.  I’ve pointed out in the past that you can see something about how our society views boys’ vs. girls’ sexuality by the different way we treat a male teacher having sex with a female student and a female teacher having sex with a male student.

  136. 136.

    Eunicecycle

    June 9, 2023 at 7:34 pm

    @MomSense: that’s pretty hilarious.

  137. 137.

    Shana

    June 9, 2023 at 7:36 pm

    @geg6: Same with National Airport in DC and Sears Tower in Chicago

  138. 138.

    Eric S.

    June 9, 2023 at 7:44 pm

    @japa21: Wrigley Field and Busch Stadium probably sounded stupid 70+ years ago.

  139. 139.

    252man

    June 9, 2023 at 7:48 pm

  140. 140.

    Maxim

    June 9, 2023 at 7:52 pm

    @C Stars: That’s what I get for living in the hinterlands of LA for years; I’d lost track. I didn’t even know it had been demolished.

  141. 141.

    Rand Careaga

    June 9, 2023 at 7:54 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: Unfortunately, alas, segments of the Oakland lumpenproletariat do. It’s a tradeoff.

  142. 142.

    Roger Moore

    June 9, 2023 at 7:55 pm

    @Eric S.:

    Both Wrigley Field and Busch Stadium were named for the team owners, which was very common at the time, e.g. Shibe Field, Ebbetts Field, Comiskey Field, Griffith Stadium, etc.  It’s true that both owners also owned businesses that carried their names, but that was apparently considered to be OK.  Apparently, August Busch originally wanted to name his new stadium Budweiser Stadium, but that was blocked for being excessively commercial*.  Instead, he named the stadium after himself and then named a new beer after himself, too.

    *It’s odd what’s considered too commercial.  Baseball blocked things like stadiums named after businesses and commercial logos on uniforms, but it allowed ads on the outfield fences.

  143. 143.

    JWR

    June 9, 2023 at 8:03 pm

    @craigie:

    I’ll just note for the record that I am constantly grateful for the fact that the Hollywood Bowl is still called the Hollywood Bowl and not the AT&T Hollywood Bowl…

    I’ll bet you’re really upset about Crypto DOT Com arena, huh? ;)

  144. 144.

    JerrytheMacGuy

    June 9, 2023 at 8:05 pm

    @Roger Moore: And Dodger Stadium is – rightfully – still Dodger Stadium.

    I prefer to call the place where the NBA Lakers, Clippers and NHL Kings play “Staples Center” and not “Crypto CON”. I don’t think I’m alone in L.A.

  145. 145.

    Quiltingfool

    June 9, 2023 at 8:06 pm

    @Roger Moore: This case is going to require damage mitigation.   I mean, he took the documents, bragged about it, tried to hide them from investigators…what kind of defense can you have?  I mean a REASONABLE defense, not whackadoodle bullshit.

    Any lawyer taking on that hot mess needs to get a shitload of money up front.  You know TFG won’t plead out, although he should.

  146. 146.

    karen marie

    June 9, 2023 at 8:09 pm

    I haven’t done a single constructive thing today because I cannot stop laughing.

    Cry more motherfucker!

  147. 147.

    Another Scott

    June 9, 2023 at 8:11 pm

    Meanwhile, … DW.com:

    WikiLeaks’ founder Julian Assange has lost another attempt to block his extradition from the UK to the US, according to a court order published on Friday.

    The 51-year-old is facing 18 charges in the US over the release of a series of confidential US military documents and diplomatic cables.

    The judge at the UK’s High Court, Jonathan Swift, turned down Assange’s most recent appeal against extradition on the grounds that it would simply “re-run” arguments that have previously been made.

    […]

    The WikiLeaks founder plans to renew his appeal next week but has almost exhausted all of his legal avenues. A possible option left to him would be to take his case to the European Court of Human Rights.

    As it stands, he is set to face 17 charges of espionage and one charge of computer misuse.

    […]

    Today seems to be Find Out Day for all kinds of infamous actors.

    Good, good.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  148. 148.

    JWR

    June 9, 2023 at 8:16 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    Staples Center, which wasn’t a great name to begin with, is now Crypto.com Arena

    Didn’t Staples Center go by a different name prior to being Staples Center?

  149. 149.

    WaterGirl

    June 9, 2023 at 8:18 pm

    @MomSense: Oh my god, that is awesome.  I will front page that for sure.

    I wonder if it is unrolled anywhere?

  150. 150.

    karen marie

    June 9, 2023 at 8:20 pm

    @JPL: Even without Cannon, given there will be endless motions filed by both sides – as happens in every case – it is unlikely that a trial would happen in less than a year.

  151. 151.

    WaterGirl

    June 9, 2023 at 8:26 pm

    @Another Scott: Timing is everything!

  152. 152.

    Baud

    June 9, 2023 at 8:29 pm

    @Another Scott:

     A possible option left to him would be to take his case to the European Court of Human Rights

     
    Brexit didn’t foreclose that option?

  153. 153.

    Roger Moore

    June 9, 2023 at 8:32 pm

    @JerrytheMacGuy:

    And Dodger Stadium is – rightfully – still Dodger Stadium.

    I thought it was telling that Arte Moreno, a guy who made his money in the advertising business, kept Angel Stadium named after the team rather than trying to squeeze out some extra money by selling naming rights.  I think he was right from a purely commercial standpoint.  The team can benefit from the advertising aspect of the stadium name more than anyone else.

  154. 154.

    Baud

    June 9, 2023 at 8:37 pm

    My favorite comment so far (from Reddit) about the indictment.

    Who puts a chandelier above a shitter?!?

  155. 155.

    Roger Moore

    June 9, 2023 at 8:37 pm

    @JWR:

    Didn’t Staples Center go by a different name prior to being Staples Center?

    Nope.  Staples bought the naming rights before construction was even finished.  That’s more and more often the case these days.  The naming rights are factored in when making the economic decisions about building the venue, and knowing how much they can sell them for helps solidify the financing.

  156. 156.

    Sure Lurkalot

    June 9, 2023 at 8:54 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    In case you want to make it in a backyard, this recipe is good, especially the broth. I usually add chicken and/or andouille.

    https://www.foodandwine.com/recipes/grilled-seafood-paella

  157. 157.

    trollhattan

    June 9, 2023 at 9:05 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: Pretty fun and agree, recommended, and not necessarily just for “folks of a certain age.”

    Somewhere in the process of plowing through the episodes, watch “Licorice Pizza.”

  158. 158.

    PJ

    June 9, 2023 at 9:06 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot: I think you may have invented jambalaya.

  159. 159.

    trollhattan

    June 9, 2023 at 9:06 pm

    @Roger Moore: ​The weirdest effing thing was when Seattle’s “Century Link”–the Clink–became Lumen Stadium because the stupid company changed their name.

    Don’t mess with nicknames.

  160. 160.

    Poor Sue

    June 9, 2023 at 9:07 pm

    @C Stars: I think Rowley and Trusty are not admitted to the bar in Florida, which doesn’t have reciprocity. That would leave Lindsey Halligan as lead counsel although she’s far less experienced.

  161. 161.

    Another Scott

    June 9, 2023 at 9:11 pm

    @Baud: Made me look…

    The European Convention on Human Rights and the European Court of Human Rights exist separately from the European Union. The Supreme Court’s relationship with the Strasbourg Court is not, therefore, changed by the UK’s exit from the European Union.

    Though the UK government is apparently trying to get out of ECHR, which is warning that would cause the post-Brexit trade agreement to be void.

    Lots of moving parts. And it looks like Assange is unlikely to be saved by any of them. (IANAL)

    HTH!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  162. 162.

    JWR

    June 9, 2023 at 9:12 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    Nope. Staples bought the naming rights before construction was even finished.

    Thank you! And I agree about Angel’s Stadium, but most of all, my beloved Dodger Stadium, one of the most beautfullest stadiums in all of baseball.

  163. 163.

    Sure Lurkalot

    June 9, 2023 at 9:19 pm

    @PJ:

    I think you may have invented jambalaya.

    Without even trying!?!

    The first time I had paella, it was cooked outdoors over flame in about a 3’ diameter paella pan. The F&W recipe is the closest I’ve gotten to a similar crust on the rice.

  164. 164.

    WaterGirl

    June 9, 2023 at 9:24 pm

    @Poor Sue: That makes sense about Rowley and Trusty.

    Oh my gosh, is Halligan the one that normally handles real estate matters, or something like that?  Oh my god, it’s like a clown show.

    Trump and company must have felt pretty sure that the case would be brought in DC.

  165. 165.

    SFBayAreaGal

    June 9, 2023 at 9:27 pm

    I haven’t seen Villago Delenda Est post in quite awhile. Has anyone heard anything from Villago Delenda Est?

  166. 166.

    Timill

    June 9, 2023 at 9:27 pm

    @Craig: My Bay Area friends all know it as Emperor Norton I Field.

  167. 167.

    Another Scott

    June 9, 2023 at 9:32 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: The “context” addition below the tweet says that’s not Cannon.  True?  No idea.

    FWIW.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  168. 168.

    Jackie

    June 9, 2023 at 9:34 pm

    @karen marie: Jack Smith is dedicated to having a speedy trial. I hope he succeeds. Given his track record of being assigned to both MAL and J6 AND getting an indictment on the MAL case inside of EIGHT MONTHS – my money is on him.

  169. 169.

    frosty

    June 9, 2023 at 9:47 pm

    @Sure Lurkalot: ​The first time I had paella was Casa Bodin in Madrid. The second time was cooked over an open fire on a picnic in France (a bit better than the US picnics of hot dogs and burgers!). I cheat a little, and use a Weber grill, but the last time I made it I managed to get the crust on the rice.
    IMHO you can’t use too much saffron.​

  170. 170.

    karen marie

    June 9, 2023 at 10:02 pm

    @Jackie: “Speedy trial” can mean a lot of things. I have full faith in Jack Smith but it’s the nature of complex cases to take a year to get to jury impanelment. And this is TFIG. He’ll do whatever he can to drag this out to as close to November 2025 as he can get.

    People need to not get hysterical when the trial hasn’t started by September.

  171. 171.

    Ruckus

    June 9, 2023 at 10:14 pm

    @Geminid:

    I’d bet he’ll be gone less than 5 minutes after he finishes opening for the actual trial, because he won’t be able to get a word in any way, what with SFB being the person he is. And that will endear SFB to the judge. Now I could be wrong, they could gag him so that he can’t speak. Or the attorney could add on a gag clause that any time SFB say anything out of order, it’s $4,000/word, payable in cash during any recess.

  172. 172.

    Ruckus

    June 9, 2023 at 10:18 pm

    @SFBayAreaGal:

    He commented at least once in the last 2 or 3 days.

  173. 173.

    Tehanu

    June 9, 2023 at 10:49 pm

    @japa21: ​
     

    Most stadiums now have stupid sounding names

    I really, really hate the whole stadium-naming thing. Cryptocom Arena is the worst, though not by much. At least Dodger Stadium and Yankee Stadium are still in place.

  174. 174.

    Poor Sue

    June 9, 2023 at 11:00 pm

    @WaterGirl: She’s a partner in the property group of Cole, Scott, & Kissane, which I believe is a large South Florida firm. I’m not a member of the bar but am basing this on my living in S. FL. According to their website, she’s donated work for the Miami Innocence Clinic. I had to smile.

  175. 175.

    danielx

    June 10, 2023 at 12:26 am

    @C Stars: ​
     Or they resigned because they told their idiot client to keep his mouth shut, which he is unable to do. When your client gets indicted because he won’t follow your advice or anyone else’s and there’s some question about getting paid in the bargain*? I’d make tracks too.

    *And client is a complete roaring, flaming asshole.

  176. 176.

    kalakal

    June 10, 2023 at 1:22 am

    @Shana: yep

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