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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Trump Crime Cartel / You Gotta Give Trump This- He’s An Achiever

You Gotta Give Trump This- He’s An Achiever

by John Cole|  June 9, 20232:19 pm| 159 Comments

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The charging documents have been unsealed, and you can read them here, but on the SECOND FUCKING PAGE it is somehow worse than you even imagined:

You Gotta Give Trump This- He's An Achiever

Somehow, every page gets worse.

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  1. 1.

    Doug R

    June 9, 2023 at 2:20 pm

    FNYT with the PAYWALL.

  2. 2.

    Suzanne

    June 9, 2023 at 2:21 pm

    He stored documents in the bathroom?! Why?!

  3. 3.

    dmsilev

    June 9, 2023 at 2:23 pm

    @Suzanne: Doesn’t everyone?

  4. 4.

    dmsilev

    June 9, 2023 at 2:24 pm

    Anyway, for those who haven’t yet heard, Jack Smith is going to be issuing a statement at 3 PM Eastern, though won’t be taking questions. So, we’ll learn a bit more in a half an hour or so.

  5. 5.

    Jerzy Russian

    June 9, 2023 at 2:24 pm

    It can always get worse.  I guess I can thank Trump for making me realize this.  Also, as I have discussed before, I have Trump to thank for making me aware of the word “gormless”.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    June 9, 2023 at 2:25 pm

    Information wants to be free, man.

  7. 7.

    Lyrebird

    June 9, 2023 at 2:25 pm

    @Doug R: I think the comments in the thread below have links to the indictment that do not go thru NYT.

  8. 8.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 2:26 pm

    At 12:00 p.m. on January 20, 2021, TRUMP ceased to be president.

    The best sentence in the whole thing.

  9. 9.

    Zzyzx

    June 9, 2023 at 2:26 pm

    You can find the documents on CNN too. It’s… I don’t even have words.

  10. 10.

    Jerzy Russian

    June 9, 2023 at 2:26 pm

    @Suzanne:   Trump has the hugest bathrooms, so I would assume the answer to the “why?” question would be “because of the space”.

  11. 11.

    Jackie

    June 9, 2023 at 2:26 pm

    @Suzanne: Silly question: Reading, wiping and flushing.

    It’s well documented TIFG flushed documents down the crapper.

  12. 12.

    dmsilev

    June 9, 2023 at 2:26 pm

    @Jerzy Russian: Nothing is ever “gormful”, just like nobody is ever gruntled.

  13. 13.

    Suzanne

    June 9, 2023 at 2:27 pm

    @dmsilev: I barely have space for TP in the bathroom.

  14. 14.

    Starfish

    June 9, 2023 at 2:27 pm

    @Suzanne: Everyone needs some good bathroom reads.

  15. 15.

    zhena gogolia

    June 9, 2023 at 2:27 pm

    I have to work, people!

  16. 16.

    Baud

    June 9, 2023 at 2:27 pm

    I know it’s just DOJ style, but spelling Trump in all caps is fitting.

  17. 17.

    lollipopguild

    June 9, 2023 at 2:28 pm

    Trump is the eight year old who does things that are wrong but he knows based on past experiences that he will never really be punished for what he has done. He does not understand that stuff he got away with while he was a private citizen is not the same as doing illegal stuff while being president.

  18. 18.

    JaySinWA

    June 9, 2023 at 2:28 pm

    @Suzanne: lots of people keep reading material in their bathroom. Nothing to see here, move along.

    I mean what if he ran out of toilet paper?

  19. 19.

    JPL

    June 9, 2023 at 2:29 pm

    Yup I’d accommodate his secret service by placing them in a cell nearby.   They had to know this shit was going on.

    Walt Nauta took cell phone photographs of Secret/Five Eyes classified documents spilling on the floor, and texted them to someone else! (Yes, I’m reading the indictment.)

    How much money did these creeps make off of our secrets.

  20. 20.

    Suzanne

    June 9, 2023 at 2:29 pm

    @Jackie: According to NBC, he kept some in the shower. WTF.

  21. 21.

    JPL

    June 9, 2023 at 2:30 pm

    @lollipopguild: No he’s not.   He’s an adult, who didn’t care whether or not what he had would endanger the good ole USA.

  22. 22.

    Sanjuro58

    June 9, 2023 at 2:31 pm

    I am so sick of him polluting the world with his presence. Nothing less than conviction and imprisonment in a facility where he had little access to outside world will satisfy me.

  23. 23.

    Eolirin

    June 9, 2023 at 2:31 pm

    We really need to get serious about counterintelligence and limiting the ability for hostile foreign powers to influence our government. This should never have been allowed to get this bad.

    And we still have national security risks in fucking congress and in our military who have access to classified materials.

    We need to clean house. If that means calling out the Republican party as compromised by hostile foreign powers, we need to do that.

    The only thing mitigating any of this is that our adversaries don’t have the means to fully take advantage.

  24. 24.

    jonas

    June 9, 2023 at 2:32 pm

    @JPL: The indictment states Nauta served in the Navy, so he def knew boxes of top secret, classified documents lying around like this was really, really bad.

  25. 25.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 2:32 pm

    @dmsilev: Or whelmed.

  26. 26.

    HumboldtBlue

    June 9, 2023 at 2:32 pm

    Wow, the details are astonishing.

  27. 27.

    Scout211

    June 9, 2023 at 2:33 pm

    @Doug R: Here’s a direct link to .pdf document cloud

    Trump indictments

  28. 28.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 9, 2023 at 2:33 pm

    Here’s hoping there will be more federal indictments that don’t go to Aileen Cannon. Preferably not to Florida at all.

  29. 29.

    Rick Taylor

    June 9, 2023 at 2:33 pm

    It’s been endlessly repeated, but it’s still ridiculously ironic that Trump arguably became President instead of Clinton due to attacks on her supposed carelessness with emails and classified information.

  30. 30.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 9, 2023 at 2:33 pm

    if a picture’s worth a thousand words…

    Acyn @Acyn

    “You can see this is the bathroom”

  31. 31.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 2:35 pm

    God, this indictment is just a treasure trove

    In one of the most problematic pieces of evidence for Trump, the indictment recounts how, according to his lawyer’s words, Trump made a “plucking motion” that implied, “why don’t you take them with you to your hotel room and if there’s anything really bad in there, like, you know, pluck it out.”

  32. 32.

    Chief Oshkosh

    June 9, 2023 at 2:35 pm

    An additional, very sobering aspect of this is that numerous Republicans had prior knowledge of a lot of this and yet not only do they continue to support Trump, it appears that most, if not all, of the House and Senate Republicans continue to loudly condemn the FBI, DOJ, etc. They really have turned against their country.

  33. 33.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 2:36 pm

    @Rick Taylor: Pretty sure she agrees with you.

  34. 34.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 9, 2023 at 2:36 pm

    According to Filipkowski and ABC, Cannon has been assigned the case. For now anyway.

  35. 35.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 9, 2023 at 2:36 pm

    “These aren’t very bright guys, and things got out of hand.”

  36. 36.

    Scout211

    June 9, 2023 at 2:37 pm

    Can this be true? Or is this guy just a Trump fluffer? If this is true, I just can’t with allowing a someone to be president under these charges.

    Robert Ray, an attorney for Donald Trump during his first impeachment trial, says that if Donald Trump is elected president in 2024, any charges or indictments made against the former president by the Department of Justice would be “gone.”

  37. 37.

    rikyrah

    June 9, 2023 at 2:37 pm

    @Alison Rose:

     

    clap clap clap

  38. 38.

    JPL

    June 9, 2023 at 2:38 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:  If she was smart, she would recluse herself.

  39. 39.

    James R Ehrler

    June 9, 2023 at 2:39 pm

    In my reading that second page description of the classified documents talks about documents that were kept in Trump Boxes(r) in the White House when he was president.

    Some Trump Boxes(r) were then moved to MAL but it is not clear from this page which documents and types left the White House.

    The later count sections list various classified docs but they are, obviously, redacted so not clear to a non-expert like me how many, if any, deal with war plans, nuclear weapons, etc.

  40. 40.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 9, 2023 at 2:39 pm

    More pictures, including the ballroom stage

    Arden Farhi @ArdenFarhi
    Special Counsel Jack Smith’s indictment against former President Trump includes photos of documents boxes stored in various places at Mar-a-Lago.

  41. 41.

    Old School

    June 9, 2023 at 2:40 pm

    @Scout211: It’s the theory that a president can pardon themselves for federal charges.

    Obviously, the theory has never been practiced.  It would go to the courts.

  42. 42.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 9, 2023 at 2:40 pm

    @JPL: If she was smart, she would have resigned in shame after the appeals court slapdown, but she’s not.

  43. 43.

    Ksmiami

    June 9, 2023 at 2:40 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: doesn’t matter. The GOP is a hive of traitorous shitbags that needs to be destroyed.

  44. 44.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 9, 2023 at 2:41 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: If Smith has documents and testimony to back this up, Cannon’s best move is to play it straight.

  45. 45.

    Jackie

    June 9, 2023 at 2:42 pm

    @Suzanne: Good for exfoliating 😉

  46. 46.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 2:42 pm

    @Scout211: Yeah, heard this on MSNBC too. Because the DOJ policy is that a sitting president cannot be subject to criminal proceedings, so if it’s mid-case and he gets elected again, he could just declare it over and done with and it would come to a halt

    ETA clip where Lisa Rubin discusses this

  47. 47.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 9, 2023 at 2:42 pm

    @Scout211: it’s assuming a lot, and IANAL, but I believe if he’s elected, even if he’s in a cell, he can pardon himself at 12:01 on Inauguration Day. It’s all up to voters

    I haven’t heard anyone on MSNBC mention that Robert Ray took over the Great Clenis Hunt from Ken Starr, just for context

  48. 48.

    narya

    June 9, 2023 at 2:42 pm

    @Rick Taylor: And the indictment QUOTES HIM on that!!

  49. 49.

    Kent

    June 9, 2023 at 2:43 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:Here’s hoping there will be more federal indictments that don’t go to Aileen Cannon. Preferably not to Florida at all.

    It is a jury trial and every decision and ruling she makes will be subject to review and appeal by appellate courts.  She will be under a microscope and knows it.

  50. 50.

    jonas

    June 9, 2023 at 2:43 pm

    @Rick Taylor: I mentioned this in an earlier thread, but at one point in the indictment, there’s a transcript of a conversation Trump has with his lawyer about conspiring to lie to the grand jury about surrendering all the documents and he actually tells the lawyer it’s ok for him to just lie and say they’ve sent everything because that’s what Hillary and her lawyer did wrt to the 30,000 emails they deleted on her server — the lawyer claimed he did it and nobody did anything.

    Trump appears to be laboring under the delusion that Clinton *stole* top secret documents, deliberately *hid* them when they were requested by NARA and a grand jury subpoena and then illegally *conspired* with her lawyers to cover it all up. And got away with it.

  51. 51.

    MomSense

    June 9, 2023 at 2:43 pm

    This whole thing makes me feel sick to my stomach.  I’m sure sources were compromised and that makes me furious.

  52. 52.

    Doug R

    June 9, 2023 at 2:44 pm

    @Lyrebird: Thanks. Balloon Juice posted a link to the document cloud link:

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23839627-read-trump-indictment-related-to-mishandling-of-classified-documents

  53. 53.

    Scout211

    June 9, 2023 at 2:45 pm

    Costa has  sources that claim that this is all in retaliation against Milley.  I can see that is part of the plan but there are so many other possibilities with someone like Trump.

    (Thread) learning some new things this morning about WHY this all happened and the motivation, especially for the audio from 2021 discussing classified material. In short, it comes down to one person: *Milley.* Trump loathed his coverage in press, in books, per multiple sources…— Robert Costa (@costareports) June 9, 2023

  54. 54.

    Soprano2

    June 9, 2023 at 2:45 pm

    My mouth dropped open, literally, when I read that excerpt above. How are the cult members going to defend him now? And that picture of boxes in the bathroom…..holy shirt balls!

  55. 55.

    Old School

    June 9, 2023 at 2:45 pm

    Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA) mystified many social media users with his response to Donald Trump’s indictment, but one militia expert interpreted his tweet as a call to arms.

  56. 56.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    June 9, 2023 at 2:45 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: She won’t. She’s a true believer. They will have to remove her and it will delay things further.

  57. 57.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 2:46 pm

    Jiminy fucking crickets

    The indictment says that for nearly three months after he left office in January 2021, some of Trump’s boxes were stored in Mar-a-Lago’s “White and Gold Ballroom,” where events and gatherings were held. The boxes “were for a time stacked on the ballroom’s stage,” and the indictment includes a striking grainy photograph showing 10 rows of document cartons, each row two deep and stacked two high close to the edge of the stage.

  58. 58.

    Kent

    June 9, 2023 at 2:47 pm

    @Scout211: It isn’t true.  At least not automatically.

    Trump can keep firing people until he find DOJ lackeys who might dismiss some charges.  But this is a special prosecutor so not under the direct control of DOJ.  And some of the charges against him are state charges.

  59. 59.

    Captain C

    June 9, 2023 at 2:47 pm

    @Suzanne: Executive time reading material.

  60. 60.

    narya

    June 9, 2023 at 2:47 pm

    I just read the whole thing, and IT IS INSANE. As someone above noted, there are PICTURES of the docs being “stored” on a stage in a ballroom.

  61. 61.

    jimmiraybob

    June 9, 2023 at 2:48 pm

    I understand that TFG has jus shaken up his legal team – again – and I fully support the idea of a legal defense but yikes, what lawyer(s) of substance and integrity are left that would willingly jump into the shit show?

    What kind of retainer would it take? Are attorney’s allowed to accept golf courses?

  62. 62.

    sdhays

    June 9, 2023 at 2:48 pm

    @Scout211: If Trump wins in 2024, the rule of law will be dead. Or at least incapacitated. That was always going to be the case. He wants to be dictator, and the Republican Party will back him to the hilt if he has power.

  63. 63.

    Suzanne

    June 9, 2023 at 2:48 pm

    @Scout211: LMAO. I’m sure Milley feels deeply owned by this whole event.

  64. 64.

    Old School

    June 9, 2023 at 2:49 pm

    @Soprano2:

    How are the cult members going to defend him now?

    Same as before.

    “Witch Hunt!” “Fake news!” “Corrupt FBI!”

  65. 65.

    Jackie

    June 9, 2023 at 2:49 pm

    @JPL: Recluse AND recuse. Both acceptable. 😊

  66. 66.

    RaflW

    June 9, 2023 at 2:49 pm

    I know not a single one of the jagoffs who defended Trump yesterday (ie: Hawley, Qevin McC, Youngkin, etc) will take even a second to reflect on the reckless and dangerous leaks of our own military and nuclear safety these docs are.

    But it does, once again, point out that it’s a terrible idea to rush to someone’s side after the indictment is announced but the detailed counts not released.

    The idea that our top secret vulnerabilities may have been sitting in banker boxes on a stage at mar-a-nogo (or next to a freaking toilet!) is just enraging.

    Hawley was A.G. of a freaking state. A Yalie (for the millionth time, reminding me that the Ivys produce possibly more trash than quality. A reckoning outta be coming to these places that graduate such moral sewers). He clercked for the 10th Circuit and also CJ Roberts.

    But he’s just fine with attack plans on Iran (allegedly) being at arms reach in Trump’s private residence — or possibly findable on a ballroom stage in a golf club. Gaaaah, I’m livid.

  67. 67.

    Chief Oshkosh

    June 9, 2023 at 2:50 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: Is it known how this ended up with her? Who made that decision? Based on what? Or is there a mindless “protocol” to be followed, that doesn’t take into account specifics?

  68. 68.

    Suzanne

    June 9, 2023 at 2:51 pm

    Side note: Nauta’s full first name is Waltine, not Walter?

  69. 69.

    zhena gogolia

    June 9, 2023 at 2:52 pm

    @Suzanne: That is really giving me pause.

  70. 70.

    Jerzy Russian

    June 9, 2023 at 2:52 pm

    @Scout211:

    Costa has  sources that claim that this is all in retaliation against Milley.

    What does “this” refer to? The indictment of Trump or something else?

  71. 71.

    Baud

    June 9, 2023 at 2:52 pm

    @Suzanne:

    @zhena gogolia:

    Not guilty by reason of parental malpractice.

  72. 72.

    cmorenc

    June 9, 2023 at 2:52 pm

    @Kent:

    It is a jury trial and every decision and ruling she makes will be subject to review and appeal by appellate courts.  She will be under a microscope and knows it.

    Not if Trump is acquitted by the jury, even if in significant part it’s because Cannon’s pretrial and in-trial rulings muzzled Smith’s ability to present key evidence.  And even if pretrial rulings having such effect were appealed and the trial stayed pending appellate rulings thereon, that would likely delay any trial until after the 2024 election – doing a key part of Trump’s tactical work for him.

  73. 73.

    Gravenstone

    June 9, 2023 at 2:53 pm

    @Suzanne: Toilet paper shortage?

  74. 74.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 9, 2023 at 2:53 pm

    @Jerzy Russian: The conversation Trump had with writers in his  office when he showed them the classified doc about attack on Iran

  75. 75.

    jimmiraybob

    June 9, 2023 at 2:53 pm

    @Soprano2: ​

    How are the cult members going to defend him now?

    You mean the ones that want to see a new civil war in the name of Jesus so that woke and all the libtards can die? Hell, he’s truly living up to the anointing. I have no idea how Puddin’s gonna top this.​

  76. 76.

    jonas

    June 9, 2023 at 2:54 pm

    @narya: It’s pretty incredible to go through the list of the 30-odd natsec documents he had lying around and see what the contents were. Just …holy shit. Every person in the IC probably is sitting back in their chairs with a thousand-yard stare in their eyes after reading that.

    The mind still reels that information this sensitive was somehow left in his possession in the WH and not placed back into some sealed briefcase handcuffed to a briefer’s wrist to be taken back to a vault in Langley.

  77. 77.

    Jackie

    June 9, 2023 at 2:54 pm

    Anyone planning to fly their American Flag on Indictment Day?

    It just occurred to me that where I live – MAGA eastern WA – there might be several flags lowered to half staff.😁

  78. 78.

    Jerzy Russian

    June 9, 2023 at 2:55 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:    Thanks.

  79. 79.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 2:55 pm

    @Kent: I’ve heard multiple lawyers say that yes, if he became president again, it would basically go away right away. IANAL but they are.

  80. 80.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 9, 2023 at 2:55 pm

    @Scout211: His motive doesn’t matter.

  81. 81.

    Gravenstone

    June 9, 2023 at 2:56 pm

    @Scout211: He could pardon himself for federal charges. Does nothing for NY or the expected forthcoming GA charges.

  82. 82.

    zhena gogolia

    June 9, 2023 at 2:56 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: What do you think about Cannon?

  83. 83.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 2:57 pm

    Anyone have a live feed for Smith’s remarks?

  84. 84.

    WV Blondie

    June 9, 2023 at 2:57 pm

    I read the indictment, and I have one burning question: Why the fuck haven’t they searched Bedminster?

  85. 85.

    zhena gogolia

    June 9, 2023 at 2:57 pm

    @Alison Rose: I have an appointment to call a friend for her birthday at 3:00 — will have to get the gist later.

  86. 86.

    narya

    June 9, 2023 at 2:58 pm

    @jonas: Yeah, that was my reaction, too. And that’s just a SAMPLE list, basically–the ones they could detail in the indictment without causing more damage!

  87. 87.

    Gravenstone

    June 9, 2023 at 2:58 pm

    @jonas: Trump appears to be laboring under the delusion that Clinton *stole* top secret documents

    Delusional false equivalence as an excuse. Lovely.

  88. 88.

    jonas

    June 9, 2023 at 2:58 pm

    @Jerzy Russian: It doesn’t give the full context of the interview Trump was having with these writers, but for some reason, Trump was upset about something Milley had said, to the effect that at one point he had floated the idea of invading Iran or something, and the classified document he had in his hand disproved it. But he couldn’t show it to them because, you know, classified.

    So, 1. Trump knew perfectly well the stuff he had was still classified and that he couldn’t show it to people and 2. was almost certainly lying anyway about what the paper contained.

  89. 89.

    Chief Oshkosh

    June 9, 2023 at 2:58 pm

    @RaflW: A tiny bit of happiness here is that, given his “high” standards for keeping those documents secure, Trump probably didn’t make any money selling them. Why would the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, Saudis, etc. pay when all they had to do was have their on-site operative just waltz into the ballroom and photograph anything of interesting using their iPhone 14+. No need to be subtle and no need to pay – the US’s secrets were all there for the taking.

  90. 90.

    trollhattan

    June 9, 2023 at 2:58 pm

    Am imagining a window blind manufacturing company owner and an attache from Saudi Arabia sitting on the edge of the stage, going through file boxes during some Trump fundraiser.

  91. 91.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 9, 2023 at 2:59 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Complete hack, but she could have survival instincts.

  92. 92.

    Old School

    June 9, 2023 at 2:59 pm

    @Alison Rose:

    Anyone have a live feed for Smith’s remarks?

    Here is C-SPAN.

  93. 93.

    Anonymous At Work

    June 9, 2023 at 3:00 pm

    Need to update the definitions page.  “PEAK WINGNUT” needs the corollary that “There is no floor for how bad wingnuts can make things, including taking steps to purposefully make things worse.”

  94. 94.

    Scout211

    June 9, 2023 at 3:00 pm

    @Jerzy Russian: What does “this” refer to? The indictment of Trump or something else?

    Apparently, it is referring to the plan of stealing military documents in order to smear Milley with them.  He’s already done that at least one time at a Mar A Largo gathering when he talked about Milley planning a war against Iran and that he had documents to prove it.

    But I am definitely not convinced that this has to do with retaliation against Milley.  Seems far too narrow a reason.  There has to be many reasons why he would retain kompromat military secrets.  So many reasons . . .

    ETA: edited for clarity

  95. 95.

    Jackie

    June 9, 2023 at 3:00 pm

    @Jerzy Russian: The leaked conversation re classified document about attacking Iran that “supposedly Milley drafted.”

  96. 96.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 3:01 pm

    LOL good God

    Trump is already attempting to turn his supporters’ ire on Jack Smith, the special counsel. In a Truth Social post, Trump attacked Smith’s record in other cases and called him a “deranged “psycho” that shouldn’t be involved in any case having to do with “Justice.””

  97. 97.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 3:01 pm

    @Old School: thanks!

  98. 98.

    different-church-lady

    June 9, 2023 at 3:01 pm

    @Suzanne: Don’t you remember the toilet paper shortage?

  99. 99.

    Soprano2

    June 9, 2023 at 3:02 pm

    I wish they wouldn’t break this news on a work day – how the hell am I supposed to work?

  100. 100.

    RaflW

    June 9, 2023 at 3:03 pm

    @Kent: I just have no sense of wether the 11th circuit slapping her down hard mattered to her at all. I mean, beyond probably feeling a bit of rash from the immediate spanking. Does Cannon adjust, or simply think she’s the victim here?

  101. 101.

    smith

    June 9, 2023 at 3:03 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh: A couple of commenters in the thread before this one posted this twitter thread from Joyce Vance explaining that it’s not a done deal that the case will be finally assigned to Cannon, but if it is, it’s unlikely she will keep it.

    I found this thread reassuring. When I first saw that Cannon seemed to have been assigned, I thought that Murphy the trickster god had pulled a fast one on us, giving us jubilation on Thursday night only to gleefully crash it on Friday morning. I was all set to discontinue my sacrifices to him…

  102. 102.

    different-church-lady

    June 9, 2023 at 3:03 pm

    @zhena gogolia: When I think of the number of productive days this asshole has cost me…

  103. 103.

    Jerzy Russian

    June 9, 2023 at 3:03 pm

    @Scout211:   You can rest assured that many of those reasons are objectively stupid. This is still Trump, after all.

  104. 104.

    James R Ehrler

    June 9, 2023 at 3:04 pm

    @James R Ehrler: Replying to myself.  I now read through the list of found classified documents and, damn, it does list documents relating to these items.  Wow.

  105. 105.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 3:06 pm

    Some dude giving two minute warning and says they won’t be taking questions, but I’m sure they’ll all yell at him anyway when he’s done talking.

  106. 106.

    BruceFromOhio

    June 9, 2023 at 3:06 pm

    @JPL: presumes facts not in evidence.

  107. 107.

    Kent

    June 9, 2023 at 3:06 pm

    @Scout211:

    Apparently, it is referring to the plan to steal military documents was done in order to smear Milley.  He’s already done at least one time at a Mar A Largo gathering when he talked about Milley planning a war against Iran and that he had documents to prove it.

    But I am definitely not convinced that this has to do with retaliation against Milley.  Seems far too narrow a reason.  There has to be many reasons why he would retain kompromat military secrets.  So many reasons . . .

    My theory based on nothing but intuition?

    Trump kept all those documents thinking he could use them as ammunition against the incoming Biden administration to undermine policy changes by the new administration and to continue influencing foreign policy from his post as ex-president.

    Trump is profoundly ignorant of how government works and he seems to think he was going to be some sort of government in exile or opposition government there in Mar a Lago.

  108. 108.

    Ishiyama

    June 9, 2023 at 3:07 pm

    @WV Blondie: You need something more than inference or deduction to get a search warrant. You need some evidence to present to the magistrate that supports your claim that the documents are there. (For the grave question, you might be able to use ground-penetrating radar. Not sure if that qualifies as a “search” for which a warrant would be required.)

  109. 109.

    Steeplejack

    June 9, 2023 at 3:07 pm

    @Doug R:

    🎁 link to the annotated NYT article Cole quoted.

  110. 110.

    different-church-lady

    June 9, 2023 at 3:07 pm

    @JPL: NARRATOR: “She isn’t smart.”

  111. 111.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 3:08 pm

    I imagined Jack Smith’s voice being more growly than this.

  112. 112.

    Albatrossity

    June 9, 2023 at 3:09 pm

    @WV Blondie:

    I read the indictment, and I have one burning question: Why the fuck haven’t they searched Bedminster?

    Exactly my thoughts!

  113. 113.

    Scout211

    June 9, 2023 at 3:09 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:  Loved one of the replies:

    Bro. How many did he take? This is like an episode of horders.

  114. 114.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 3:10 pm

    Short but very sweet. Only one numbnuts tried to ask a question, so I am impressed with the decorum of the rest of them.

    “we have one set of laws and they apply to everyone”

    and in my head, I added “…bitch”

  115. 115.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 9, 2023 at 3:10 pm

    That’s the first time I’ve heard Jack Smith. He sounded far more sane and balance than Trump does.

  116. 116.

    MisterDancer

    June 9, 2023 at 3:10 pm

    And it’s over. I think Smith spoke for maybe three minutes, tops.

  117. 117.

    jimmiraybob

    June 9, 2023 at 3:11 pm

    Has his passport been seized by anyone yet? Has Trump Force One been seized?

  118. 118.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 9, 2023 at 3:11 pm

    OT:  Boris Johnson resigned his Parliamentary seat.

  119. 119.

    narya

    June 9, 2023 at 3:12 pm

    Gotta love how he noted that the grand jury was in the southern district of Florida.

  120. 120.

    prostratedragon

    June 9, 2023 at 3:12 pm

    @Alison Rose:  Too terrifying if he sounded like Richard Burton. As it is, …

  121. 121.

    Old School

    June 9, 2023 at 3:14 pm

    Jack Smith didn’t come across as a deranged Trump-hating psycho.

  122. 122.

    Gravenstone

    June 9, 2023 at 3:14 pm

    @Suzanne: Read that he’s from Guam, so unsure of naming convention there.

  123. 123.

    Spanky

    June 9, 2023 at 3:15 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Are you sure it’s off topic?

  124. 124.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 9, 2023 at 3:16 pm

    okay, actress Yvette Nicole Brown has convinced me that the “trump family member” is actually Melanie

    yvette nicole brown @YNB
    This Trump family member is Melania. “I saw you put boxes TO Potus room…WE will not have room for them. Plane will be full WITH luggage”

  125. 125.

    Fleeting Expletive

    June 9, 2023 at 3:16 pm

    Judge Cannon is sort of the Shiv Roy of Florida judges: funny how she’s the one in on the hot seat when the shit hits it.

    Hey, looking for humor in this mess.

  126. 126.

    Ken

    June 9, 2023 at 3:17 pm

    @narya: It does prevent confusion with any of the several other grand juries that are investigating Trump.

  127. 127.

    Alison Rose

    June 9, 2023 at 3:17 pm

    Oh FFS. Glenn Thrush noted that Smith was “solemn and unsmiling”. Dude, what the fuck did you expect? That he’d get up there and dance a jig? Really putting that NYT cash to good use…

  128. 128.

    Fleeting Expletive

    June 9, 2023 at 3:18 pm

    Judge Cannon is sort of the Shiv Roy of Florida judges.

  129. 129.

    Baud

    June 9, 2023 at 3:18 pm

    @Old School:

    So nothing like me then.

  130. 130.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    June 9, 2023 at 3:19 pm

    @Alison Rose: [smiling and giddy] “We did it, you guys. We finally got him!”

  131. 131.

    scav

    June 9, 2023 at 3:19 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I know!  After hearing he was going to get dinged for partygate!  Whinging in stereo about being persecuted by fiends of injustice!

  132. 132.

    Ken

    June 9, 2023 at 3:20 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I also saw the bathroom picture captioned “I know nothing sums up the [Trump] presidency better than the McDonald’s feast photo but this is getting close”.

  133. 133.

    Burnspbesq

    June 9, 2023 at 3:21 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    Is it known how this ended up with her? Who made that decision? Based on what? Or is there a mindless “protocol” to be followed, that doesn’t take into account specifics?

    Judge Cannon is the only regular service (not senior) District Judge assigned to the West Palm Beach division, which consists of Palm Beach County, and the crimes are alleged to have taken place in Palm Beach County. The internal operating procedures for the Southern District (which are part of the local rules) provide generally for random assignment, but also include something called the “one division rule,” which says that cases originating in a division will normally stay in that division.

    https://www.flsd.uscourts.gov/sites/flsd/files/17-10-17-Internal-Operating-Procedures.pdf

  134. 134.

    WaterGirl

    June 9, 2023 at 3:21 pm

    Jack Smith live in the next thread.

  135. 135.

    Soprano2

    June 9, 2023 at 3:23 pm

    @Jackie: When I was doing physical therapy one of my therapists said that his neighbor’s TFG flag was flying at half staff after the NY indictments!

  136. 136.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 9, 2023 at 3:24 pm

    So it sounds like Cannon has not actually been named as the trial judge. I don’t really understand how likely it is that she will be.

    If she were the trial judge, my impression is that during the trial, she could just preempt a jury verdict and issue a judgment to acquit, on grounds of blatantly insufficient evidence (and she gets to decide what constitutes that).

  137. 137.

    NotMax

    June 9, 2023 at 3:24 pm

    @Suzanne

    Parents loved both Walnettos and Saltines, so….
    :)

  138. 138.

    JPL

    June 9, 2023 at 3:25 pm

    @Jackie: that’s hilarious because is she dismisses this, she might as well become a recluse

  139. 139.

    Barney

    June 9, 2023 at 3:28 pm

    @Suzanne: At last, we have a centerpiece for the Donald J. Trump Presidential Library. Just a shame that Bed, Bath and Beyond can’t bid to host it.

  140. 140.

    JPL

    June 9, 2023 at 3:28 pm

    @Burnspbesq: The special counsel must have been aware of that, so are prepared to do what is necessary to move the case along.

    just guessing

  141. 141.

    Ruckus

    June 9, 2023 at 3:29 pm

    @lollipopguild:

    You could have stopped with, He does not understand.

    You could have added an descriptive word or two but then you might not be one to swear as much as me…..

  142. 142.

    moops

    June 9, 2023 at 3:30 pm

    I’m thinking Trump stole all the documents because Cohn told him the story of the US government paying Nixon to get back the records Nixon stole.   Leaving out the bit of legislation they put in place after that incident.

  143. 143.

    Burnspbesq

    June 9, 2023 at 3:31 pm

    @Burnspbesq:

    ETA: if the case does get reassigned, it will most likely go to a judge who sits in Ft. Lauderdale. Sorry, news media, no month in Key West on the company.

  144. 144.

    smith

    June 9, 2023 at 3:40 pm

    @moops: One way or the other, I think he expected to make money off them, and very likely already did.

  145. 145.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 9, 2023 at 3:43 pm

    @moops: trump recently cited the $18M pay-out to Nixon for his papers in an interview

  146. 146.

    Tony Jay

    June 9, 2023 at 3:55 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    So! Much! Popcorn!

    The sheer volume of whine gushing out of his faceflap is a thing to behold, and he’s basically saying that if he’s guilty, so is Sunak.

    Hilarious. Fuck off and melt you ignoble spunksplat.

  147. 147.

    cain

    June 9, 2023 at 4:08 pm

    @Kent: she should be ashamed that she had to be put under a microscope. Like a child.

  148. 148.

    Citizen Alan

    June 9, 2023 at 4:11 pm

    @JPL: I assume you meant refuse, but I would also be happy if cannon actually left the court to become a recluse.

  149. 149.

    Brachiator

    June 9, 2023 at 4:16 pm

    Boris Johnson resigns as a member of Parliament. Trump indicted, 38 counts. What a Friday.

    I think CBS News reported that Republicans wanted the indictment unsealed as soon as possible. Will GOP presidential candidates be expected to rush to Trump’s defense?

    I expect to see House leader McCarthy attack Hunter Biden’s laptop any second now.

  150. 150.

    bbleh

    June 9, 2023 at 4:24 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: not at all clear she’ll even be assigned the trial, but if she is, then I agree, from a rational point of view, the last point being the sticking one

    @smith: I hope she’s right about him being able to get the case reassigned if he needs to.  I’ve seen other comments suggesting it ain’t so straightforward.

  151. 151.

    Brachiator

    June 9, 2023 at 4:26 pm

    @Soprano2:

    How are the cult members going to defend him now?

    Earlier in a YouTube comment thread, a MAGA type insisted that Obama had kept millions of classified documents, and then launched into a ramble about all the great things that Trump had done for America. Trump is apparently the bestest president ever.

  152. 152.

    bbleh

    June 9, 2023 at 4:29 pm

    @cmorenc: or if she were to dismiss the case after evidence is presented but before a verdict.

    @Matt McIrvin: I think it has to be after all evidence is presented.  (And with the most generous reading of prosecution evidence and a reasonable jury, all of which is up to her from what I can tell.  Better-informed opinion most welcome!)

  153. 153.

    Bill Arnold

    June 9, 2023 at 4:42 pm

    @Brachiator:

    I expect to see House leader McCarthy attack Hunter Biden’s laptop any second now.

    Is there a real visual image of “Hunter Biden’s laptop” available?
    (“visual image” because it’s possible-to-likely that the storage of one or more of his laptops was imaged/cloned at some point (e.g. in a hotel room) by either criminals or a Russian intelligence service (or uhm maybe some overlap), and that this image, after edits/insertions, is what has been circulating, including maybe restored to some random Mac.)

  154. 154.

    cain

    June 9, 2023 at 4:44 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Boris Johnson resigns as a member of Parliament. Trump indicted, 38 counts. What a Friday.

    The wikipedia entry for June 9th is going to be lit.

  155. 155.

    TriassicSands

    June 9, 2023 at 5:25 pm

    @cmorenc:  Not if Trump is acquitted by the jury…

    I think an acquittal is extremely unlikely. What is more plausible is a hung jury, which will require at least one cultist managing to get seated on the jury.

    A couple of hung juries and Trump will likely walk on this. I doubt they would prosecute him a third time.

  156. 156.

    Jackie

    June 9, 2023 at 5:36 pm

    @Soprano2: LOL! I’m gonna have to do some neighborhood driving after Indictment Day and check out the flags 😁

  157. 157.

    Jackie

    June 9, 2023 at 5:58 pm

    @moops: The moment TIFG told Hannity Nixon got $17 million for his tapes/documents etc, I thought BINGO! He’s holding those documents for ransom.

  158. 158.

    Brachiator

    June 9, 2023 at 6:09 pm

    @cain:

    The wikipedia entry for June 9th is going to be lit.

    So true.

  159. 159.

    Ohio Mom

    June 9, 2023 at 6:55 pm

    I think Trump took home so many boxes because he isn’t smart enough to zero in on the most critical documents, and just take those. “Critical” as in, worth a lot of money to our adversaries. Or as in, information already promised.

    Look, we all already knew he took files he shouldn’t have, has already sold /exchanged/delivered at least some of them, and some human assets have already been killed. We just didn’t know all the details, and as everyday people, might never.

    Someone upthread said something g along the lines of, members of the Intelligence community must be staring blankly straight ahead as they digest all this. Sorry, this is the sort of thing the Intelligence community should have already known. If a SAHM from Ohio could figure out the broad outlines…

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