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We have the best people.  For real.

They have pieces of shit.  Dangerous excuses for human beings.

It’s awful enough that someone would say all of this. But who listens to that and think “ooh, I want to see those people in power again?”

These people would have literally voted for Hitler.

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  3. 3.

    Yarrow

    These people who have literally voted for Hitler.

    Who are you talking about? There can’t be all that many people still alive who literally voted for Hitler. And how many of them are in the US?

  5. 5.

    Lapassionara

    Well, the FNYT’s editorial this morning outlines all the ways that Trump is our Hitler. Lots of words about the danger we face, but not a word about how to defeat the danger. I think one step would be for the “paper of record” to print one article a day under a blaring headline, recounting the many misdeeds and lies of his administration. Interview his former cabinet members, his former chiefs of staff. Interview John effing Bolton. Focus on his use of a personal cell phone, his theft of government secrets, his wooing of autocrats. I could go on, but my blood pressure is rising with each memory of his maladministration.

  10. 10.

    Yarrow

    @WaterGirl:  I honestly did not know who you were talking about. I subjected myself to that horrific video you felt the need to post because I thought those people were interviewing an actual Hitler voter and it was somehow an important interview, since the rest of your post didn’t say who the Hitler voters were. Your omitted word was not obvious to me.

  12. 12.

    Scout211

    And in more evidence for the theme of this thread (the worst people):

    Law Student Accused of Beheading Girlfriend Was Touted as ‘Victim’ of #MeToo by Trump Admin

    In 2013, Joseph Roberts was accused of verbal and online sexual harassment and suspended from Savannah State University. He claimed he was suspended from school and “denied due process.”

    Five years later, he’d go on to share his story with Betsy DeVos, then former President Donald Trump’s Secretary of Education, as an advocate for men who were wrongfully accused of sexual misconduct on college campuses.

    In 2020, Roberts appeared on YouTube’s The Exceptional Conservative Show, where he recalled the day he was expelled from campus after three unidentified female students reported him.

    . . .

    More than a decade later, Roberts, 42, was arrested on Sept. 7 in a separate incident for the gruesome death of his girlfriend, Rachel Imani Buckner, a recent law school grad whose dismembered body was discovered wrapped in plastic with duct tape along the shore in California’s Alameda County.

    “Joseph’s DNA was on the tape that wrapped her body, which meant he was aware she was dead, he was aware she was dismembered,” Robert Hansen, a detective on the case, alleged. “He took an active role in wrapping her body, concealing it in plastic garbage bags.”

  13. 13.

    WaterGirl

    @Yarrow: That wasn’t a criticism; I was merely explaining that I typed “who” accidentally when I intend to type “would”

    I appreciate it when people point out stuff like that, like my misspelling of Dianne as “Diane” yesterday, or misspelling oligarch when I trusted autocorrect intend of my own instincts.

  14. 14.

    Frankensteinbeck

    I still think we will find, when all the digging goes on after his death, that Trump is a Nazi in a literal ‘Heil Hitler’ sense.  He sees himself as Hitler’s natural heir, and his only differences in philosophy seem minor to Trump:  Trump hates blacks the most, and sees Jews as his model minority.  He believes all the anti-Semitic tropes, he just thinks greedy manipulators are a good thing.

  16. 16.

    WaterGirl

    @Scout211: Hmm, maybe this is a fail on my part because I was going more for “we have the best people” than for highlighting the worst people.

    I do think it’s important, though, to know that people are saying this stuff in the light of day, and it’s not just the crazies.

  17. 17.

    Yarrow

    @WaterGirl:

    That wasn’t a criticism; I was merely explaining that I typed “who” accidentally when I intend to type “would”

    ‘You edited your original comment, which said it was “obvious” that you left out the word would. Now your comment says what I quoted above. My response was to your original comment. It was not obvious to me.

  18. 18.

    Scout211

    @WaterGirl: I was going more for “we have the best people” than for highlighting the worst people.

    Valid point.  I thought it was a best/worst people contrast thread.  I guess I misread it.

    I would be fine if you want delete my comment.

  21. 21.

    HumboldtBlue

    These people would have literally voted for Hitler.

    They instead, voted for Trump. Odious people through and through.

  22. 22.

    WaterGirl

    @Scout211: No deleting! :-)

    I seldom post the puke that comes out of a lot of the Republicans, preferring to amplify more of the good stuff, but it seemed important to include that as a contrast this time.

    I really cannot fathom how people can hear that and think “I’m for that!”  Shocking, really.

  24. 24.

    noncarborundum

    @zhena gogolia: Not Mein Kampf itself, IIRC, but rather a volume of collected speeches. I don’t know which is worse. I’ve read (some of) Mein Kampf myself out of historical interest, but I can’t think of a reason I’d want to read the speeches.

  26. 26.

    trollhattan

    Meanwhile, Trump talks at California Republicans.

    Besides the four indictments Trump has to deal with — a first for a presidential candidate and former president — he confronts a $250 million civil fraud case that begins Monday in New York. But he showed no worries at the convention. He joked about setting a world record for indictments.

    And he returned to vintage Trump on targeting California for criticism:
    ▪ California is a Marxist state run by communist Democrats.
    ▪ Illegal aliens are ruining the state.
    ▪ Wacky environmentalists have left the state suffering from droughts when there is more than enough water for cities and farms alike.

    None of those things are true, but no matter to Trump. Nationally, Trump said “crazy” liberal policies are allowing men to transition into women’s sports. And law enforcement is wrongly being told to stand down by liberal leaders when crimes happen right before their eyes. If he wins the election, “We will immediately stop all the pillaging. If you rob a store, you can fully expect to be shot as you leave that day.”

    The crowd gave that remark a standing ovation — never mind the idea contradicts professional policing and America’s legal process.

    High gas prices are the result of leftist politicians. “When I am president, we will drill, baby, drill,” he said. Another ovation. Climate change is not mentioned. The cheering was again loud when he promised “not to give one penny” to any school with a mask or vaccine mandate.

    Echoing claims he has repeatedly made, Trump said the election system in America is broken. Mail voting must end, he said, or else elections will remain corrupt. Never mind facts that show there has been no fraud found in the 60 cases he brought after the 2020 election.

    https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/article279925774.html#storylink=cpy

  27. 27.

    Geminid

    They’re still having a good time over in the House Chamber. Punchbowl News editor Jake Sherman has been live tweeting the wrangling over another Continuing Resolution that would temporarily fund the federal government.

    Sherman also reposted an item John Bresenan put up a few minutes ago:

    [Democratic Caucus Chairman] Pete Aguilar says Dems need to read the GOP CR.

    “Kevin McCarthy is not the most trustworthy person in this building, so I think it behooves us all to make sure what they say is in the bill is in the bill.”

  32. 32.

    WaterGirl

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Was that yesterday?  Or the day before?  Or maybe the hearing went on for two days?

    If it was yesterday, too, I will have to go back and try to find some clips.

    I wanted to marry the clips I put in the young pups thread on Thursday.

  36. 36.

    Shalimar

    I won’t watch the 2nd video.  And I don’t consider Milley to be one of “our” people.  Just a soldier doing his job like a million others.  The Joint Chiefs aren’t supposed to be political.

  39. 39.

    cain

    “there will be kids in cages it will be glorious”

    Please tell me that is all hyperbole. The comments seem to come out as tongue in cheek since I know he can’t do pretty much anything in that list.

    But making a comment about celebrating kids in cages makes him a shit person.

  41. 41.

    Jackie

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Joy Reid named the Democratic House members the “Who Won the Week” award, specifically highlighting their moments during the clown impeachment hearing. She chose MY pick!😁

  42. 42.

    Jon Rockoford

    @WaterGirl: Who the hell are these assholes in your posted video? It would be really, really useful to tell us who these assholes are so I don’t have to search for them to figure out the context. Otherwise, the Google algorithm that tracks my searches will inundate me with links to similar assholes and I don’t want that. A modest suggestion…

  44. 44.

    dmsilev

    @Baud:

    If it’s really clean and it passes, I’d imagine that’s a defeat for the Terror Caucus.

    Two very big ifs. Between McCarthy’s demonstrated malice and McCarthy’s demonstrated incompetence, there’s a lot of “we need to read this bill very carefully before voting on it” that is required.

  46. 46.

    dmsilev

    @Alison Rose: The LA Times had this choice bit from his “speech”:

    In a hard-to-follow soliloquy, Trump also said that California needs to “dampen” the forests to help prevent wildfires. It was a reminder of a familiar refrain from his years in office when he blamed California’s worsening conflagrations on the state’s failure to rake the forest floors.

    I guess “hard to follow soliloquy” is newspaper-ese for “incoherent rant”.

  52. 52.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Yarrow: ​
    If I may rephase: WOULD have voted for Hitler.  On edit: I see Water Girl beat me to it.  It was obvious to me that this was the intention, but then again, I’m like Yogi Bear.

  57. 57.

    Alison Rose

    @dmsilev: I’m sure Newsom will get right on that. “Hey folks, remember that insane amount of rain we got last winter? Let’s all go scoop it out of the reservoirs and pour it out amongst the woods!”

  60. 60.

    Jackie

    @Baud: Nancy Smash concurs! The entire Playbook link is great!

    Playbook: “With a possible vote to oust McCarthy now looking more likely than ever, expect a ton of attention on whether House Democrats would step in to help save his gavel.”

    “Among those with strong opinions is his predecessor, Nancy Pelosi.”

    “The former speaker, we’re told, has warned her colleagues — including Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and some in his new leadership team — against rushing to bail out a man whom she argues can’t be trusted. Instead, she’s counseled, Democrats should let Republicans deal with the drama themselves.”

    “Pelosi’s position will not surprise veteran Hill watchers. She’s long had a frosty relationship with McCarthy, who once joked about hitting her in the head with her own speakership gavel.”

  61. 61.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @dmsilev: I especially liked “all the water up north!’ or whatever it was. The mountain west up north has been in a twenty year drought with historic forest fires, and weren’t there all kinds of air quality warnings in the greater NYC area, including Bedminster, from the massive fires in eastern Canada this year?

  62. 62.

    SFAW

    @Baud:

    Not if he’s kicked in the cojones first.

    “Point of order, Mr. SpeAAARRRGGHHHHHH! Owwwww! *gasps*”

    “State your point”

    ” …. [Curled into a ball, gasping]”

  63. 63.

    WaterGirl

    @Jon Rockoford: So sorry!  I get annoyed when other people do that, and here I did it myself.

    Mike Davis is a top Republican staffer. He got Brett Kavanaugh confirmed and he clerked for Justice Neil Gorusch.  I had never heard of him until today but this was getting a lot of play so I figured he was well known.

    Link (Meida Matters)

    Link (Democratic Underground)

  65. 65.

    OverTwistWillie

    When I think back to his iron fisted elevation to Speaker, I wonder how it all went out of round for ol’ Kev.

  67. 67.

    Baud

    @Jackie:

    Well, this is some honest take on the media.

    Rather than catering to conservative viewers who already approve of Biden’s impeachment, Comer’s critics say investigators should be engaging more strategically to give their case credibility with a more skeptical audience.

    “The conservative press will write whatever you want them to write — why would you go there first?” said the second GOP aide. “Mainstream media reporting gives credibility to the narrative.”

  73. 73.

    Ruckus

    @Shalimar:

    In this day and age, when SFB is trying to actually overthrow the government and install himself as lard master (not a mistake) and I’d bet that he would try then to actually overthrow the government that he “runs” and create a monarchy with him as the head. (I use head here as it is used in the military – a place to read and relieve one’s self) He is one completely warped, deranged, asshole and he delights in proving it 24 hrs a day. IOW he is one very deranged, narcissistic asshole. His entire picture of himself is one that no one of sound mind would think is in any way normal. We likely have all met someone, over our lifetimes that is/was a narcissistic asshole, but we were smart enough to run away as fast as possible. He is in it so deep that nothing would ever convince him that he is one sick bastard. His view of the world has him as the center of everything. Our view has him sitting in an asylum ward or a jail cell because at this stage in his life he is never going to change for the better. Elevating him to president told him that he is king of the world and after that nothing is ever going to change his narcissistic personality.  Except when he naturally stops breathing. His fans will hold him in the light because they can’t see that he is actually extremely bad for the human race, what with his greed, ignorance, and extremely screwed up (narcissistic) concept of himself.

  74. 74.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Shalimar: Milley is not being political.  He’s expressing precisely what the oath of office means.  That our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines do not swear allegiance to any person, but to the Constitution itself.  It just so happens he was serving under a 3-year old in a 77 year old body who took a shit on the oath he took upon assuming office.

  76. 76.

    wjca

    @gene108: Those judges have some really strange sense of right and wrong. Makes me wonder how they treat the women in their lives.

    Not to give the judge a pass.  But I really wonder about the prosecutor.

    The guy not only destroyed evidence (while under an explicit court order to preserve it), but went to some fairly elaborate lengths to make sure he got it all.  IANAL, especially not a lawyer in Kansas.  But charging that as merely “interfering with law enforcement” seems pretty mild.  At minimum, where are contempt of court and obstruction of justice?  Arguably multiple counts, one for each action

  79. 79.

    Shalimar

    @Villago Delenda Est: I agree. I was saying that “We” have the best people in the headline implies to me that Milley is on our side.

    edit: I am a huge Milley fan for everything he has done.  I do not mean anything negative towards him.

  82. 82.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Dickeylee: ​
     

    Broken jaw, fractured orbital bones, a real man’s man…

    https://www.kctv5.com/2023/09/28/former-military-man-granted-probation-after-beating-wife-destroying-evidence/?outputType=amp

    Good Lord – he beat her until she lost consciousness, how much punishment does it take to do that?! Can’t believe he got probation. There’s no way this was a one-off. He’s beaten women before, and he will again. That fucker ought to be locked up for decades, to keep that from happening.

    And if some quirk in the law somehow allowed probation, there was the matter of his destroying the evidence after being specifically told not to when he was released on bail. (Isn’t that obstruction of justice?) When crime is piled on top of crime, you can’t just let someone go.

  85. 85.

    Jackie

    @WaterGirl: Hers were ALL of them. I’d have a hard time choosing, but maybe Jasmine Crockett? And the guy in the light blue suit “daring the cowardly Rethugs to actually impeach Biden and stop threatening to do so.”

  91. 91.

    OverTwistWillie

    @Anoniminous:

    https://kolektiva.social/@igd_news/11115246315427898

    Indigenous climate activist, artist, musician, and father Jacob Johns was shot in the chest this morning, Sept 28.2023, during a No Juan de Oñate statue peaceful protest in Tewa territory (more commonly known as Española, New Mexico). Jacob put his body between women and children when the shooter charged towards the altar. He was air-lifted to a hospital in Albuquerque, and had surgery. The shooter, who was wearing a red MAGA hat, is in custody of tribal police. We ask everyone to please pray with us that he survives this surgery and doctors have’ the strength and wisdom to help him. “

  92. 92.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Baud: ​
     

    Did you start with 0 or 1?

    “Zero is a counting number.” – Dr. George McNulty, Department of Mathematics, University of South Carolina

  93. 93.

    Matt

    It’s awful enough that someone would say all of this. But who listens to that and think “ooh, I want to see those people in power again?”

    Awful people, that’s who.

    The better question is, “who listens to that and says ‘well at least he’s not a commie’ and votes for the fascist anyways?”

    Guaranteed we’ve got commenters here in that second group.

  94. 94.

    Anoniminous

    For the people who don’t know ….

    The Duke of Albuquerque was a real piece of work. When the Acoma pueblo people fought back against having their winter food supply stolen he attacked the pueblo, murdered 800 Acomas and had 500 surviving villagers enslaved and had every Acoma man over the age of twenty-five left foot amputated.

    Only MAGA asshats think there should be statues to that asshole.

  96. 96.

    Jon Rockoford

    @WaterGirl: He looks so clean-cut though, nice haircut, obviously bathed, tie, suit! Next thing you know he’ll be writing op-eds for some mainstream rug. What a bizarre timeline… I need to go pet my dog to subdue the outrage.

  97. 97.

    Joseph Patrick Lurker

    More deranged rhetoric from Trump:

    But in places where there is a true breakdown in the rule of law such as Oakland. Oh, Oakland is so bad, I will use every power at my disposal. But it’s not Oakland. It’s in Los Angeles. It’s all over. I mean, it’s terrible. It’s in places that you wouldn’t even believe.

    But I will use every– everything I can, every single power at my disposal, including sending as many federal law enforcement assets as required to restore safe safety and peace.

    You’ll have 300 young people who are not looking for a good future, walk into a store, a big department store, and just pillage it. And if you happen to be there when they’re there, they’ll knock the hell out of you and kill you in some cases.

    And we will immediately stop all of the pillaging and theft. Very simply, if you rob a store, you can fully expect to be shot as you are leaving that store!

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/gop-crowd-goes-nuts-cheering-as-trump-promises-he-will-order-federal-officers-to-shoot-shoplifters-on-sight-in-stunning-moment/

  98. 98.

    Shalimar

    @WaterGirl: That isn’t a bad way to look at it.  In my mind, I always split it into 3 groups.  Our political faction, their political faction, and then all the regular government employees who we need to continue doing their jobs objectively and upholding democratic values without getting involved in the political issues.

  100. 100.

    lowtechcyclist

    So where are we in the process? As best as I can tell, Rep. Katherine Clark asked for a 90-minute adjournment so that the Dems could read Qevin’s ‘clean’ 45-day CR (because for some odd reason, they don’t find him trustworthy), that request was denied, and the CR was defeated. And there’s no bill on the floor right now. Do I have that right?

    Need to find someone liveblogging all this.

  103. 103.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Baud: The catch here is that credibility for Comer and his lynch mob is just not possible.  They’ve shot their wads, and they were weak.

  108. 108.

    Lyrebird

    @OverTwistWillie: I cant get your or the other link to work, but here’s the gofundme  – I definitely recommend clicking on some of the links to Mr. Johns’ art

     

    He’s the activist who according to reports jumped in front of other protesters to protect them from the shooter.  Healing to him, skill to the surgeons…

     

    @OverTwistWillie:

  110. 110.

    WaterGirl

    @Lyrebird: That was a BRIGHT blue suit!  And he was totally awesome.  I had not seen him.

    The only thing that seemed off is that he didn’t say the word in blue.

    “Call the FUCKING vote!  I dare you!”

    And here I thought women mostly ran away with it on Thursday.  Bright blue suit get gets a 10.

  115. 115.

    Jackie

    @WaterGirl: That’s a great ad. And I applaud his ad staff for recognizing that Coach “Primetime”Deion Sanders of Colorado is the new sports hero for black college football fans. Airing this ad during the game in the Atlantic tv market is brilliant!

  116. 116.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Matt:

    The better question is, “who listens to that and says ‘well at least he’s not a commie’ and votes for the fascist anyways?”

    Guaranteed we’ve got commenters here in that second group.

    what?

  117. 117.

    Shalimar

    @Matt: I can’t think of a single commenter here who admits voting for Republicans.  Not sure who these fascist commenters you’re thinking about are.

  120. 120.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Shalimar: honestly, I suspect he’s referring to people who picked HRC and JRB, Jr over St Bernard

    there are a few Matts here, but that one has a familiar odor

  121. 121.

    Miss Bianca

    @trollhattan: Oh, no *wonder* Doug Lamborn (GrOPer, CO CD-5) sent out an email this morning meeping about “Biden’s Broken Border Policies Endanger Americans”, which basically turned into a rant about drugs coming through California.

    Here’s what I wrote in response:

    Dear Mr Lamborn – with all due respect, you are an idiot. I would say, “how dare you come out on the last day before a government shutdown looms – a government shutdown that you and your fellow House Republican feces-flingers are ENTIRELY responsible for – and try to smear President Biden with some tired, ginned-up, anti-immigrant hysteria rather than taking care of your proper business – have you no shame?”

    But as you and I both know, in order to BE a modern Republican, you have had to self-amputate any sense of shame or duty to actual governance long ago.

    Still, I am going to say it: shame on you. If you’re really concerned about border security, get back to work and pass a budget, you tiresome hack.

    I didn’t add: “PS, I’m not even a constituent of yours anymore, dude”, but I thought about it.

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