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Joe Biden Isn’t Just a Good President, He’s Good People

by TaMara|  March 22, 202412:55 pm| 61 Comments

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New ad dropped today:

(It’s a little jarring, so maybe turn the volume down before hitting play)

And when you’ve lost Scaramucci, LOL

Joe Biden Isn't Just a Good President, He's Good People

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I’m going to try and get a climate post ready for the weekend, no promises though. And I have another guest recipe post from narya on the value of using weights when baking, of which I’m a huge fan.

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    1. 1.

      Baud

      March 22, 2024 at 1:10 pm

      You’re good people, T.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      MazeDancer

      March 22, 2024 at 1:11 pm

      Minibus passes. MTG files to vacate Johnson.

      So grateful for Mr. Biden.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      Baud

      March 22, 2024 at 1:14 pm

      @MazeDancer:

      Lots of people predicted we were going to have a shutdown. Which is a reasonable belief, but it’s important to remember when pessimists get it wrong.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      lowtechcyclist

      March 22, 2024 at 1:16 pm

      @MazeDancer:

      I’m running behind on stuff here. What’s the Minibus? The CR on the part of government that would have shut down first

      ETA: Does this fund (whatever it funds) through 9/30, or is it just for another few weeks?

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Brachiator

      March 22, 2024 at 1:18 pm

      And I have another guest recipe post from narya on the value of using weights when baking, of which I’m a huge fan.

      People do body building exercises before cooking?

      That’s hardcore.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      Baud

      March 22, 2024 at 1:19 pm

      @lowtechcyclist: If I have it right, we’re done with CRs. Government will be funded through the rest of the fiscal year.  I think the Senate still need to vote though.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Chat Noir

      March 22, 2024 at 1:19 pm

      My cold, cynical heart is a little warmer after watching that top video. Compassion and empathy on display!

      Reply
    8. 8.

      mrmoshpotato

      March 22, 2024 at 1:19 pm

      Dump’s disgusting, orange, fascist face making an even more disgusting face!  Ah! 😱🤮

      Reply
    9. 9.

      mrmoshpotato

      March 22, 2024 at 1:23 pm

      Joe Biden Isn’t Just a Good President, He’s Good People

      A bazillion times this!  Absolutely!

      Reply
    10. 10.

      MazeDancer

      March 22, 2024 at 1:23 pm

      @lowtechcyclist:

      WaPo:

      The bill, which passed by a 286 to 134 vote, would fund about three-quarters of the federal government for the next six months, while also raising military pay, eliminating U.S. funding for the U.N. relief agency for Palestinians and bolstering security at the U.S.-Mexico border.

      Or, basically, “What Baud said”. Which is a good answer pretty much always.

      Reply
    11. 11.

      mrmoshpotato

      March 22, 2024 at 1:26 pm

      That Flatline ad is great.  Simple.  Straight to the point.  Effective.  Fuck the GOP.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      March 22, 2024 at 1:29 pm

      Scaramucci was possibly Trump’s most sensible hire. Not necessarily in terms of the job he was intended to perform, but in terms of having a double digit amount of neurons firing in his head.

      So, naturally, he was [Press Secretary?] for like a zeptosecond.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Baud

      March 22, 2024 at 1:29 pm

      @MazeDancer: I thought this was the second half of two parts. That quote makes it sound like there is something else that needs to be done.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      schrodingers_cat

      March 22, 2024 at 1:29 pm

      @Baud: Pessimists insist that their dour takes are reality.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      Brachiator

      March 22, 2024 at 1:30 pm

      Joe Biden Isn’t Just a Good President, He’s Good People

      The Republicans do not have any effective counter to Biden’s essential decency. None. Even though they have tried hard to create a false equivalency using phony accusations that parallel Trump’s real crimes and civil violations, the GOP ends up looking desperate and foolish.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      March 22, 2024 at 1:30 pm

      @MazeDancer: also raising military pay, eliminating U.S. funding for the U.N. relief agency for Palestinians

      The things we need to let go of just to allow the government to simply operate. The GOP has been at war with the people of this country since 1994.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      West of the Rockies

      March 22, 2024 at 1:30 pm

      @Brachiator:

      How much meatloaf can you bench?

      Reply
    18. 18.

      satby

      March 22, 2024 at 1:30 pm

      Joe Biden’s kindness and humanity even in the face of unkind, inhumane people are a large part of why they hate him; he lives the Christian principles they claim to aspire to but don’t.

      As JB Pritzker put it so well.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      NotMax

      March 22, 2024 at 1:31 pm

      And I have another guest recipe post from narya on the value of using weights when baking, of which I’m a huge fan.

      Tempted to track down Martha Washington’s Great Cake recipe, which begins with “take 40 eggs.”
      ;)

      Reply
    20. 20.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      March 22, 2024 at 1:31 pm

      @schrodingers_cat: Pessimists insist that their dour takes are reality.

      A funny thing to have to toggle a picture of Eeyore to read.

      Reply
    21. 21.

      mrmoshpotato

      March 22, 2024 at 1:32 pm

      @Brachiator:

      Get to the choppa – of vegetables!

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Baud

      March 22, 2024 at 1:32 pm

      @schrodingers_cat: Sometimes bad things do happen. I myself spent too much of life remembering the bad stuff that happened and not giving enough credit to the good. I’ve learned that’s not reality-based or objective, and I feel like it’s important to stay true to those things these days, because so few do, especially on the right.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      WaterGirl

      March 22, 2024 at 1:33 pm

      TaMara, I can’t believe you passed up the chance to have this as a post title:

      When you’ve lost Scaramucci, LOL

      So sad!

      Reply
    24. 24.

      mrmoshpotato

      March 22, 2024 at 1:41 pm

      @The Kropenhagen Interpretation:

      Scaramucci was possibly Trump’s most sensible hire. 

      Well, I guess someone had to be the most sensible in that shitpile of a racist, fascistic, misogynistic, Krenlin-ass-sucking bastard administration!  The laws of logic demand it.  Still 🤮

      Reply
    25. 25.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      March 22, 2024 at 1:42 pm

      @satby: I’ve never seen Pritzker speak before. Color me impressed.

      Shit, I texted a link of that speech to my roomie.

      Reply
    26. 26.

      mrmoshpotato

      March 22, 2024 at 1:44 pm

      @Brachiator:

      The Republicans do not have any effective counter to Biden’s essential decency. 

      Rethuglicans decency.

      Oil water.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      mrmoshpotato

      March 22, 2024 at 1:46 pm

      @West of the Rockies:

      How much meatloaf can you bench? 

      Nominated!

      Reply
    28. 28.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      March 22, 2024 at 1:48 pm

      @mrmoshpotato: Rethuglicans decency.

      I’ve seen a couple Republicans act decently, despite theur heinous politics. Dan Crenshaw speaks like someone who has a functioning sense of morality. I never had much of a problem with Charlie Baker, just some of his decisions. McCain is dead.

      Yeah, that’s it.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      mrmoshpotato

      March 22, 2024 at 1:51 pm

      @satby:

      Joe Biden’s kindness and humanity even in the face of unkind, inhumane people are a large part of why they hate him; he lives the Christian principles they claim to aspire to but don’t. 

      Well put.  And it was good to see my state’s great governor again.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      Eolirin

      March 22, 2024 at 1:51 pm

      @The Kropenhagen Interpretation: There’s a lot more than that at the local levels, though at this point anyone still willing to associate with the party is morally questionable imo.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      mrmoshpotato

      March 22, 2024 at 1:56 pm

      @The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Referring to the party in general (population).

      Reply
    32. 32.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      March 22, 2024 at 1:58 pm

      @Eolirin: anyone still willing to associate with the party is morally questionable imo.

      Ain’t that the truth? Well, these people just need to get past their gut reaction of fear and hatred for Democrats and be their most enlightened selves to make sure necessary work is done for the people of this country.

      I have no prescription on what these steps ought to be, just that they will require bravery and putting Americans first.

      But Republicans, so…

      Reply
    33. 33.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      March 22, 2024 at 2:05 pm

      @mrmoshpotato: Referring to the party in general (population).

      Oh, I run into plenty of personally decent Republican voters. This is Massachusetts. Ask any R who isn’t eyeball deep in the propaganda machine what they think and they have no problem with queer folk or immigrants, they despair that communities don’t trust the police and see the need to reform public safety, and function ably in diverse workspaces.

      Then they vote Republican for taxes and regulation. There are few such people I have the heart to tell that supporting bigots for taxes is a disgusting moral compromise.

      This leaves out the very real immorality of GOP tax and regulation policy anyway.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      Eolirin

      March 22, 2024 at 2:06 pm

      @The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Moral clarity and bravery are rare traits period. It’s only less pronounced for liberals because our core value set insulates us, to some degree, from the kind of moral challenges and outright corruption the Republican party has dived face first into.

      I don’t exactly expect it of people to be able to navigate this and I have some degree of sympathy for the people who didn’t ask to be associated with this bullshit but don’t really know how to process getting away from it or are afraid of the consequences of trying.

      It doesn’t mean I respect them or their choices, but I can understand why they make them despite otherwise being relatively decent people. 

      And as distinct from the people who completely lack a moral center

      At the end of the day politicians are just people, like the rest of us.

      Reply
    35. 35.

      Betty

      March 22, 2024 at 2:09 pm

      @The Kropenhagen Interpretation: This is disheartening. People are dying. They need food and water. The attack on that agency has since been discredited.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      NotMax

      March 22, 2024 at 2:14 pm

      @The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      The Boston busing protests weren’t a one-off.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      Eolirin

      March 22, 2024 at 2:15 pm

      @Betty: I have some degree of confidence that if the IDF can be convinced to stop attacking aide workers, alternatives can be worked out relatively quickly to handle the distribution logistics for food and water.

      And if the IDF can’t be convinced to do that I’m not sure the funding would have done much good.

      It still sucks, but I think this is the kind of acceptable trade off you make, where the functional impact is far less than it seems.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      March 22, 2024 at 2:16 pm

      @NotMax: The Boston busing protests weren’t a one-off.

      When I think of formative political events in my Dad’s history, this is number two. 💩

      Reply
    39. 39.

      Baud

      March 22, 2024 at 2:17 pm

      @The Kropenhagen Interpretation: The first, of course, was the Red Sox breaking the curse.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      March 22, 2024 at 2:20 pm

      @Eolirin: It’s only less pronounced for liberals because our core value set insulates us, to some degree, from the kind of moral challenges and outright corruption the Republican party has dived face first into.

      Speaks to the necessity of a coherent world view and a reliable factual information stream.

      And, yeah, I don’t judge most of these people too harshly. I have the people marinating their lives in propaganda for that.

      Unfortunately, that’s actually more common among the Republicans closest to me.

      Edited for formatting.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      March 22, 2024 at 2:23 pm

      @Baud: Bro, my Dad was a fully formed winger long before that.

      If you’re curious, he was denied a position in the Boston fire department and had to settle for Brockton (small city south of Boston). He attributes this to affirmative action.

      So affirmative action…again.🙄

      Reply
    42. 42.

      topclimber

      March 22, 2024 at 2:29 pm

      @Betty: Yes it is and yes it was.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      trollhattan

      March 22, 2024 at 2:30 pm

      @MazeDancer: “vacate Johnson” sounds like an unloved medical procedure.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      MazeDancer

      March 22, 2024 at 2:32 pm

      @Baud: From what I understand, and I could be way wrong, there are 12 appropriations from the committees that a budget bill should have to be called an “omnibus”.

      Less than 12 appropriations is a “minibus”.

      And there will be a new Congress in nine months. Do not know why this one only lasts 6 months

      Reply
    45. 45.

      Baud

      March 22, 2024 at 2:33 pm

      @The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Too bad he lost out on his dreams, but so did black people for most of US history for no good reason.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      March 22, 2024 at 2:33 pm

      @MazeDancer: there are 12 appropriations from the committees that a budget bill should have to be called an “omnibus”.

      Less than 12 appropriations is a “minibus”.

      I don’t remember that one from Latin class.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      Baud

      March 22, 2024 at 2:33 pm

      @MazeDancer: Fiscal year ends at end of September.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      MazeDancer

      March 22, 2024 at 2:36 pm

      @Baud: Ah, thanks, and proving earlier stated maxim: “What Baud said!”

      Reply
    49. 49.

      Baud

      March 22, 2024 at 2:36 pm

      @MazeDancer:

      Much safer maxim than What Baud Did.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      March 22, 2024 at 2:39 pm

      @Baud: Hey, he didn’t have to fully give up on his dreams. He just had to fulfill them 20 miles away.

      But he treats people with respect. And my parents were a living, breathing model of feminist principles in action, so I can’t complain too hard.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      Eolirin

      March 22, 2024 at 2:41 pm

      @MazeDancer: It’s because it’s been so delayed. The fiscal year ends in September

      Or what Baud said

      Also, for clarity, this is indeed the second and final set of appropriation bills.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      narya

      March 22, 2024 at 3:21 pm

      While I was out east, I learned that I went to high school with that kid’s grandfather (and actually knew the grandfather). I got out there about two days before my dad died, and then was able to stay for a couple of weeks with my mom. She has four friends–all five of them widows, now–and she’s been friends with at least one of them for more than 80 years; I asked if I could make a luncheon for them all, and they all agreed. One of them is somehow related to Harry’s grandfather, and told the story, which I had already seen here; that’s how I learned of the connection.

      Reply
    53. 53.

      catclub

      March 22, 2024 at 3:30 pm

      @mrmoshpotato: I would have said Mike Pompeo.  He was the only one I thought dangerously competent.

       

      Although there  is a quote from Rex Tillerson that Trump is an idiot, there is none from Pompeo.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Anonymous At Work

      March 22, 2024 at 4:16 pm

      To me, the story about Biden visiting the shiva for one of his first donors in Delaware and knowing the significance of her donation.  He is, in the adage, a mensch.

      This story: https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/i-know-joe-biden-rabbi-michael-beals-29efe01d81e1

      Reply
    55. 55.

      Paul in KY

      March 22, 2024 at 4:21 pm

      @mrmoshpotato: Miller was competent, in an evil Eichmannish way.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      Ruckus

      March 22, 2024 at 4:50 pm

      @The Kropenhagen Interpretation:

      The GOP has been at war with the people of this country since 1994.

      I believe that you being just a tad too generous. It was long before 1994. Trust me, I served during a war, I know what it looks like.

      They were just a bit less noisy while trying to screw everyone.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      March 22, 2024 at 4:54 pm

      @Ruckus: I look at the Contract on America as the formal declaration. “We will no longer cooperate on anything of substance.”

      Reply
    58. 58.

      Melancholy Jaques

      March 22, 2024 at 8:02 pm

      @Brachiator:

      The Republicans do not have any effective counter to Biden’s essential decency.

      Their counter is that about half of American voters not only lack essential decency, but deplore things like empathy as weakness. That plus a sharp spike in the price of gas and American voters are cruel and stupid enough to put that asshole back in the White House.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      wjca

      March 23, 2024 at 12:12 am

      @The Kropenhagen Interpretation: Then they vote Republican for taxes and regulation. There are few such people I have the heart to tell that supporting bigots for taxes is a disgusting moral compromise.

      Perhaps it would help to look at it this way.  One of the paths to victory this year involves invoking Dobbs to get women who usually vote Republican to vote Democratic.  Note that this does not mean that they embrace all the positions that most people here do.  In fact, they reject many of the ones they are aware of; that’s why they usually vote the way they do.  But they care about this issue enough to change.

      Like the vast majority of the population, they mostly ignored politics.  They have no use for the MAGA types, in fact they dislike them almost as much as you do (albeit sometimes for different reasons).  It’s just that, until Dobbs, they disliked your policies (again, the ones they are aware of) more.

      You can be an utter purist, and refuse to have anything to do with them.  And lose.  But most of us have better sense.

      That the generally have voted Republican doesn’t make them morally deficient, it makes them disengaged.  (Except, I suppose, if you think being politically disengaged is, in and of itself, a moral failing.  In which case, you think most Democratic voters are also deficient.)

      Next time someone starts ranting that anyone who ever votes for any Republican for any position is utterly immoral, try thinking about that.  And save the scorn for the cultists, who are deserving of it.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      wjca

      March 23, 2024 at 12:21 am

      @MazeDancer: Do not know why this one only lasts 6 months.

      It comes down to this: the Federal government’s fiscal year runs October to the following September.  This bill is for the current fiscal year, which ends in 6 months.  So it only runs that long.

      It was supposed to be done by the end of September last year.  But, being incapable of doing their jobs, the Republicans didn’t manage to get it done on time.  A series of Continuing Resolutions bought time to finally get their act together.  In so far as they have.

      Similarly, the money bills for the next fiscal year are supposed to be done by the end of this coming September.  If you think those will get done on time, well, don’t bet anything you can’t afford to lose.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      wjca

      March 23, 2024 at 12:28 am

      @Melancholy Jaques: Their counter is that about half of American voters not only lack essential decency, but deplore things like empathy as weakness.

      Wrong.  That is true of maybe 25% – 30%.  It’s just that 40% – 50%** are decent but unengaged. (See #59 above.)

      They pay a tiny bit of attention in the last few weeks before an election.  But mostly they vote on one or two things that they know about and care about.  No matter what they would think of either party’s overall views, if they were aware of them.

      ** EDT And that’s of the people who are engaged enough to turn out to vote occasionally.

      Reply

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