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Wednesday Afternoon Open Thread

by WaterGirl|  March 27, 20243:58 pm| 188 Comments

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Great news for Montana!

BREAKING: In a victory for voters, the Montana Supreme Court strikes down four voter suppression laws, ruling the statutes disproportionately impacted young voters, voters with disabilities and Native American voters.https://t.co/q8x8avsboW

— Democracy Docket (@DemocracyDocket) March 27, 2024

(Democracy Docket)

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today in a sweeping 4-3 decision ahead of the 2024 elections, the Montana Supreme Court struck down four major voter suppression laws.

The laws — House Bill 176, House Bill 530, House Bill 506 and Senate Bill 169 — which eliminated Election Day registration, banned paid ballot collection and curtailed other forms of ballot return assistance, prohibit the mailing of ballots to new voters who will be eligible to vote on Election Day but are not yet 18 and made it more difficult to vote with a student ID, respectively, were struck down for violating the state’s constitution.

The opinion issued earlier today held that the Montana Constitution “affords greater protection of the right to vote than the United States Constitution” and struck down the laws which stood to disproportionately impact young voters, Native American voters and voters with disabilities.

Originally filed in 2021 in response to the Republican-controlled Legislature passing these voter suppression laws, the Montana Democratic Party, Western Native Voice and Montana Youth Action each brought lawsuits challenging the suppressive measures. These lawsuits were consolidated and eventually a trial court struck down the laws in September 2022.

Today, the Montana Supreme Court affirmed the trial court’s decision holding that the law that curtailed ballot assistance discriminates against Native American voters writing “HB 530 takes away the only option to vote for a significant number of Native Americans living on reservations. Thus, it impermissibly interferes with the right to vote.”

The court similarly found that the restrictions on student voting do not pass constitutional muster writing that excluding student IDs from the list of acceptable photo IDs “imposes a burden on student voting and the Secretary has not established that it is necessary for any legitimate government purpose, much less that it is more important than the right to vote. Nor is it a reasonable restriction of voter’s rights.”

Regarding the law eliminating election day registration, the court held that the law “impermissibly interferes with the right to vote.” The court further explained: “The record shows that more than 70,000 Montanans have utilized election day registration to vote since 2005 and that many electors would be disenfranchised without the availability of election day registration.”

This decision is a major victory for Montana voters, specifically Native American, young voters and voters with disabilities who would have been adversely impacted by these laws. Thanks to the court’s decision, as voters head to the polls in 2024, they will not be subject to these restrictive voting laws.

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This is gross.  I hadn’t seen the bible that Trump was selling.  I presume this is it.  Ugh.

Whatever happened to separation of church and state?

 

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

I didn’t think it would be so literal. pic.twitter.com/SebXrpEUzR

— Mueller, She Wrote (@MuellerSheWrote) March 27, 2024

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    1. 1.

      Geo Wilcox

      March 27, 2024 at 4:06 pm

      Just Trump chipping away at that wall again. I thought he built them.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      rikyrah

      March 27, 2024 at 4:08 pm

      Great voting rights news!!!

      Reply
    3. 3.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 4:09 pm

      I hadn’t seen the bible that Trump was selling.  I presume this is it.

      That’s it. As I mentioned down below [eta the BFD post] Trump isn’t actually selling it. One of his businesses has licensed his name, images, etc. Just like the Trump labeled buildings he doesn’t own

      ETA 2 Unless you click on the image it’s hard to make out the embossed US flag on the cover.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      trollhattan

      March 27, 2024 at 4:09 pm

      Presently, Trump is disconnected from State. Let’s keep it that way.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      p.a.

      March 27, 2024 at 4:09 pm

      King James Don Version?

      Reply
    6. 6.

      Almost Retired

      March 27, 2024 at 4:10 pm

      This is great news for the Native community in Montana, and should make Four Directions’  job a little easier.  I feel better about Jon Tester’s ability to retain his seat, with Native help, even if it’s a reach for Biden or the less-red of the two House seats.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Mousebumples

      March 27, 2024 at 4:10 pm

      Great news for Montana and Sen Tester! Thanks for sharing, WaterGirl.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      SiubhanDuinne

      March 27, 2024 at 4:11 pm

      Obscene that he’s selling it for the classic sale price of $59.99 rather than a tidy $60.00.

      Actually obscene that he’s selling it at all. There are plenty of legal and legit ways to acquire a physical dead-tree Bible for little or no expense. Same goes for the other items — Constitution, Declaration, Pledge, whatever else he’s stuffed in. And it’s all available free gratis comp no charge on line by simply Gooling.

      As for that Lee Greenwood song, well, you don’t want to read my views on that.

      Reply
    9. 9.

      WaterGirl

      March 27, 2024 at 4:12 pm

      What else is going on?  Maybe we used up most of the news yesterday?

      Reply
    10. 10.

      BeautifulPlumage

      March 27, 2024 at 4:13 pm

      Yay Montana!

      Looking forward to adding to the AZ fund after this next payday.

      Reply
    11. 11.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 4:15 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      What else is sign on?

      You’ve got bots in the blog? /s I guess you mean who?

      Reply
    12. 12.

      WaterGirl

      March 27, 2024 at 4:15 pm

      I just read that the 6-man crew that was lost when the bridge collapsed were all Latino men.  Somehow, that makes it even more sad.  Workers trying to make a living.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      sdhays

      March 27, 2024 at 4:17 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: It should be selling for $6.66 to make what’s going on more explicit. Or, at least, $66.60.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      Trivia Man

      March 27, 2024 at 4:17 pm

      Prediction: mega churches will order thousands because its easier than donating to the campaign.

      I use the word “order “ because they will pay full price but don’t actually need a warehouse full. “Sorry, its on back order.”  That’s fine,  take your time but be sure to cash the check.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 4:17 pm

      @sdhays: I’m shocked it isn’t $666

      Reply
    16. 16.

      Baud

      March 27, 2024 at 4:18 pm

      👍

      Reply
    17. 17.

      TBone

      March 27, 2024 at 4:18 pm

      Poetic justice will make her visit, and her name is Karma.  (Insert meme of Anjelica Huston playing Morticia with teacup).

      Reply
    18. 18.

      BeautifulPlumage

      March 27, 2024 at 4:19 pm

      @JaySinWA:  I’m shocked it isn’t gold to match the sneakers

      Reply
    19. 19.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 4:20 pm

      @BeautifulPlumage: True. Donald is usually on a “gilt” trip.

      ETA we should call Donald’s tour of courts a “guilt trip”.

      Reply
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      HeleninEire

      March 27, 2024 at 4:21 pm

      @WaterGirl: What else is going on? The Mets opener is rained out tomorrow.  😔

      Reply
    21. 21.

      WaterGirl

      March 27, 2024 at 4:22 pm

      @BeautifulPlumage:   We actually ended up pausing the Worker Power AZ fundraising – that covered 2 of the original 3 weeks of the canvass team we were funding.

      Why?

      Because Four Directions called and said they had found a donor who wanted to match $20,000 for Four Directions for AZ and $20,00 for NV.

      The external match person had a specific timeframe and I didn’t think we could complete the $40k for Worker Power and raise $40k for Four Directions in that limited time period.

      I contacted Worker Power, and they are going to cover the third week for the canvass team :-).

      So in a small number of days, we’ll have two thermometers going at once – one for Four Directions AZ and the other for Four Directions for NV.

      I’m guessing that some folks might want their money to go to one state vs. the other.

      And we have a couple of angels lined up, so at least for awhile we’ll have double matches

      So save your pennies, if you want to participate. :-)

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Timill

      March 27, 2024 at 4:22 pm

      @p.a.: Better check the Commandments:

      “Thou shalt commit adultery”?

      Reply
    23. 23.

      WaterGirl

      March 27, 2024 at 4:23 pm

      @JaySinWA: Fucking autocorrect.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      rikyrah

      March 27, 2024 at 4:23 pm

      @JaySinWA:

      EEEK

      Reply
    25. 25.

      rikyrah

      March 27, 2024 at 4:24 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      YOU GO, WG!!

      Always on it!

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    26. 26.

      WaterGirl

      March 27, 2024 at 4:24 pm

      @HeleninEire: Oh, man!

      Reply
    27. 27.

      Spanky

      March 27, 2024 at 4:25 pm

      I didn’t think it would be so literal.

      I would have thought Mueller, She Wrote would be familiar with Father Coughlin.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 4:27 pm

      @rikyrah: The gilt sneakers were $400 IIRC so a three figure bible would make sense.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      Steve in the ATL

      March 27, 2024 at 4:27 pm

      @HeleninEire: so there is a merciful god after all!

      Reply
    30. 30.

      WaterGirl

      March 27, 2024 at 4:29 pm

      @rikyrah: I had given Four Directions a heads up a few weeks ago that we will want to be funding them for 5 of our key states:

      AZ
      NV
      MT
      MI
      WI

      I asked if they could rustle up some matches.  They came through with those pretty quickly, so it’s just a matter of rearranging the order of things.

      We plan, god laughs, isn’t that what they say?

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    31. 31.

      HumboldtBlue

      March 27, 2024 at 4:29 pm

      @HeleninEire: ​ 

      Phillies too.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      Neldob

      March 27, 2024 at 4:32 pm

      Kinda makes me want to get into the Trump merch biz. Short pencils for small hands anyone?

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Steve in the ATL

      March 27, 2024 at 4:34 pm

      @HumboldtBlue: doubleplusgood!

      Reply
    34. 34.

      randy khan

      March 27, 2024 at 4:35 pm

      A Trump Bible is so very weird, but since he only wants the money, he doesn’t care.

      Anyway, not a First Amendment problem, since he’s not a government official now (and here’s hoping it’s not a First Amendment problem going forward, either).

      Reply
    35. 35.

      lollipopguild

      March 27, 2024 at 4:36 pm

      @Timill: Thou shall lie and cheat and steal endlessly.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      Harrison Wesley

      March 27, 2024 at 4:36 pm

      I’ve seen a couple items about a Disney – DeSantis settlement, but I can’t quite figure what it is.  It sounds to me like Disney lost, but the PR on both sides makes it a bit tough to parse.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      Brachiator

      March 27, 2024 at 4:37 pm

      Yep. Very good news for Montana.

      and made it more difficult to vote with a student ID

      A lot of this going around. In the UK, a senior bus pass is acceptable ID, but not a college student ID card.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      realbtl

      March 27, 2024 at 4:38 pm

      This Montana residents thanks all of you for your support.  Us Ds are here, just currently outnumbered.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      Ksmiami

      March 27, 2024 at 4:40 pm

      Montana is a better state for us to flip than TX. It’s further west in its outlook and actually likes women’s healthcare. Plus there are a lot of Californians who moved there. I dunno I think it’s less of a stretch

      Reply
    40. 40.

      Ksmiami

      March 27, 2024 at 4:41 pm

      @realbtl: not by much. It’s flippable

      Reply
    41. 41.

      trollhattan

      March 27, 2024 at 4:42 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: I need to learn if they change it to “Two Corinthians.”

      Reply
    42. 42.

      Steve in the ATL

      March 27, 2024 at 4:42 pm

      @Brachiator: IIRC, in Texas a gun license is valid but a student ID is not.  And my two college roommates in Texas wonder why I don’t visit them!

      Reply
    43. 43.

      rikyrah

      March 27, 2024 at 4:44 pm

      The rubes be rubing:

       

      The New York Times (@nytimes) posted at 11:20 AM on Wed, Mar 27, 2024:
      Donald Trump has spent more than $100 million — none of it his own money — since leaving office on legal costs related to fending off investigations, indictments and his coming criminal trials, federal records show. Here’s how he has funded those expenses. https://t.co/gJENU5lup4
      (https://x.com/nytimes/status/1773022186359361863?t=aoL5fo6IJA_6sbAjCSpu9Q&s=03)

      Reply
    44. 44.

      WaterGirl

      March 27, 2024 at 4:44 pm

      @Brachiator: They don’t even try to hide it!

      Reply
    45. 45.

      Steve in the ATL

      March 27, 2024 at 4:45 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: ​
       my new side hustle will be taking the bibles from hotel rooms, writing “TRUMP!!!” on them in Sharpie, and selling them to rubes.

      In some places there is also a koran–I can sell that to them as well for their book burning bashes!

      Reply
    46. 46.

      trollhattan

      March 27, 2024 at 4:46 pm

      @Ksmiami: Had a jerb offer in Bozeman (“the Austin of South Bends”) and in process of discussing it with the spouse, researched the temperature delta of an average year.

      And that was as far as I got. Still, lovely place Montana, at least the left half. Think only Alaska has a lower population density.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      Betty Cracker

      March 27, 2024 at 4:46 pm

      @Harrison Wesley: I’m not a lawyer but my read is that Disney came to some sort of understanding w/ the Pudd’n Boots regime that benefits Disney monetarily and lets DeSantis get away with violating the First Amendment. The losers are the people of Florida.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      Jeffro

      March 27, 2024 at 4:47 pm

      VA Senator Louise Lucas is taking a well-deserved victory lap after the Gov’s proposal to move the Wizards and Capitals to Alexandria is now officially dead.  She’s probably going to tweet GoT and Godfather memes all evening.  =)

      I’m glad to see it!

      “Tell Glenn it was me.” LOLOLOLOL

      Reply
    49. 49.

      JaneE

      March 27, 2024 at 4:48 pm

      It is pretty obvious that in the Trump Bible, God takes second place to the USA (not the current constitutional version, but the one Trump plans to make) probably had to make that “blessing” under duress.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      trollhattan

      March 27, 2024 at 4:48 pm

      @JaySinWA: Missed opportunity, I’d say!

      Reply
    51. 51.

      WaterGirl

      March 27, 2024 at 4:48 pm

      @Betty Cracker: Disappointing.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      NotMax

      March 27, 2024 at 4:50 pm

      Backstory FYI (from 2021).

      In May, controversy over “the ultimate American Bible” briefly rocked the Christian publishing world. Big-name Christian authors penned a letter blasting it as “dangerous,” and more than 900 people signed a petition decrying the decision to print the book. The Bible’s advertised publisher, a part of HarperCollins Christian Publishing, disavowed the book and denied it ever had plans to print it in the first place. Source

      Also from then:

      Why Christians Should be Troubled by the New “God Bless the USA Bible”

      Reply
    53. 53.

      Sister Golden Bear

      March 27, 2024 at 4:50 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: Trump’s not gonna leave those pennies on the table when he’s got lawyers to pay stiff.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      comrade scotts agenda of rage

      March 27, 2024 at 4:51 pm

      @Jeffro: ​

      VA Senator Louise Lucas is taking a well-deserved victory lap after the Gov’s proposal to move the Wizards and Capitals to Alexandria is now officially dead.

      That is great news. I originally thought it would be a poke in  the eye to Leonsis as well but it looks like he’s still gonna make out like a bandit.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      SomeRandomGuy

      March 27, 2024 at 4:52 pm

      This is gross. I hadn’t seen the bible that Trump was selling. I presume this is it. Ugh.

      Whatever happened to separation of church and state?

      Republicans have never believed in the separation of church and state – how else could they cheer on Christian bigotry nationalism?

      That Bible reminds me of Paper Moon – local conman followed obits to find widows, and pretended the widow’s husband had ordered her a copy of The Good Book, but still owed some money on it. Except, let’s face it: so many of his followers think that “Christian” is just the word they’d like inscribed on their truncheon and their M-16. To such people, “Christianity” is viewed only as  a way of generating enemies who their fellow nationalists can hope to slaughter.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      cain

      March 27, 2024 at 4:52 pm

      @rikyrah: surprised that his lawyers got paid. Probably overcharging him.

      As for the bible, surprised it didn’t say God Bless Trump.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      BeautifulPlumage

      March 27, 2024 at 4:52 pm

      @WaterGirl:Will do!

      Reply
    58. 58.

      RevRick

      March 27, 2024 at 4:53 pm

      It’s Holy Week. But that’s really old news, so not really news. Our church will have a Maundy Thursday Communion service and a Good Friday Tenebrae service. (For those not literate in church-speak, Maundy is derived from commandment, recalling Jesus’ new commandment that we love one another, and Tenebrae is Latin for darkness, representing the darkness of the violence ending in the cross, symbolized by the extinguishing of candles. The service ends in darkness and silence).

      Reply
    59. 59.

      Sister Golden Bear

      March 27, 2024 at 4:54 pm

      @WaterGirl: Latino immigrants who came to the States for a better life.  Makes it even sadder.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      brantl

      March 27, 2024 at 4:54 pm

      When did MSN go reich-wing? They’re lying about the 1/6 committee.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/liz-cheney-s-jan-6-committee-was-so-vicious-that-sec-of-defense-himself-felt-threatened/ar-BB1kDQea?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=a518d167119e4b019961dd0fdcd391be&ei=35

      Reply
    61. 61.

      Jeffro

      March 27, 2024 at 4:55 pm

      @Jeffro: yup, they’re already a-flowin’  LOL

      The one I just saw has her flashing a “V” over the ‘grave’ of Youngkin’s/Leonsis’ hopes for a new arena in Virginia.

      The caption reads:

      F

      A

      F

      O

      (I’m officially dead here)

      MOAR PLEEAZ LOUISE!!!

      Reply
    62. 62.

      eclare

      March 27, 2024 at 4:56 pm

      @Steve in the ATL:

      I think those are mainly New Testament, with all of the wussy things Jesus said about tending to the least of our brothers, charity, love, etc.  TIFG supporters want the “vengeance is mine” Old Testament God version.

      Reply
    63. 63.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 4:57 pm

      @NotMax: Interesting. NIV proposed in 2021 is now King James

      WHAT TRANSLATIONS ARE AVAILABLE?

      The God Bless The USA Bible is produced in the trusted King James (KJV) translation.
      Please Note:
      We do not offer additional translations at this time

      The rest of the 2021 story checks out in the current edition:

      WHAT MAKES THIS BIBLE UNIQUE AND SPECIAL?

      First and foremost, The God Bless The USA Bible is the ONLY Bible inspired by America’s most recognized patriotic anthem, God Bless The USA.

      The Bible also features a copy of:

      Handwritten chorus to “God Bless The USA” by Lee Greenwood.
      United States Constitution
      Declaration of Independence
      Bill of Rights
      The Pledge of Allegiance

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    64. 64.

      NotMax

      March 27, 2024 at 4:58 pm

      @RevRick

      Good Friday is a state holiday in Hawaii.

      Which rankles no end.

      Reply
    65. 65.

      Harrison Wesley

      March 27, 2024 at 4:58 pm

      @Betty Cracker: That sounds too much like real life.  I was hoping that Mouse mojo would prevail.

      Reply
    66. 66.

      cmorenc

      March 27, 2024 at 4:59 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne:

      I don’t think Trump selling Bibles is primarily for the very modest (on the scale of his financial situation) direct revenue from them.  But folks who would spend $60 for a Trump bible are obvious marks for whom the purchase will amplify their motivation to give much bigger donations, and help persuade others to donate.  Yeah, so it’s also because Trump is the most colossal malignant narcissists in American history, and most shameless and crass.

      These two factors to the scheme are not inconsistent.

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Matt McIrvin

      March 27, 2024 at 5:01 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: I recall something in there about a guy who was peeved that a house of prayer had been made into a den of robbers.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      NotMax

      March 27, 2024 at 5:09 pm

      @JaySinWA

      Also from their own site (not gonna link): “Allow 4 – 6 weeks for delivery.”

      Reply
    69. 69.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 5:10 pm

      @JaySinWA: Ah, from the Slate article:

      It’s hard to know whether Zondervan’s rejection of the Lee Greenwood Bible will actually damage its sales. While Kirkpatrick will no longer be able to print with the NIV translation—the best-selling Bible out there—he said he has found other printers and companies that will use the historic, public domain version of the King James Bible.

      So the original was going to be NIV, but licensing hit the fan. So they opted for a public domain version. A little ironic to make a USA version wrapper around an English King James version.

      To be clear this is the Lee Greenwood bible that has licensed Trump’s name for advertising.

      Reply
    70. 70.

      Ksmiami

      March 27, 2024 at 5:13 pm

      @trollhattan: it’s getting warmer every year too

      Reply
    71. 71.

      Jay

      March 27, 2024 at 5:15 pm

      The Book of Morons?

      Reply
    72. 72.

      WaterGirl

      March 27, 2024 at 5:15 pm

      @Sister Golden Bear: Yeah, that’s what I was trying to say. You said it better.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      WaterGirl

      March 27, 2024 at 5:17 pm

      @JaySinWA:

      The God Bless The USA Bible is the ONLY Bible inspired by America’s most recognized patriotic anthem, God Bless The USA.

      Really?  I hadn’t gotten the memo, so I had no idea.

      I think of it as the song that ruins the fireworks display while they are playing it.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      coin operated

      March 27, 2024 at 5:18 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne:

      As for that Lee Greenwood song, well, you don’t want to read my views on that.

      I do, just to see if they’re as bad as mine.  My one visit to the Grand Ole Opry was the night Lee Greenwood was headlining. I walked out halfway through his set so I wouldn’t have to hear it.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      WaterGirl

      March 27, 2024 at 5:18 pm

      @cmorenc:

      “Buy this bible and get on our mailing list!”  (“for donations” goes unstated)

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Timill

      March 27, 2024 at 5:19 pm

      @eclare: “War God of Israel” rather than “The Thing with Three Souls”, as it were…

      Reply
    77. 77.

      rikyrah

      March 27, 2024 at 5:19 pm

      Ragnarok Lobster  (@eclecticbrotha) posted at 1:56 PM on Wed, Mar 27, 2024:
      Ukraine is a nation with the spirit of MacGyver.

      Chris Anderson (@chr1sa) posted at 2:02 PM on Mon, Mar 25, 2024:
      Ukrainians put 8,000 cellphones connected to microphones on 6-foot poles around the country to detect incoming Russian drones. They detected 84/84 and shot down 80 of them with AA guns.  Cost: $500ea

      — Gen James B Hecker, Commander US Air Forces, Europe
      https://t.co/sisNvXdyxQ
      (https://x.com/chr1sa/status/1772338187349934355?t=q052_7XJEob4LZkLMEIywA&s=03)

      Reply
    78. 78.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 5:19 pm

      @BeautifulPlumage:

       I’m shocked it isn’t gold to match the sneakers

      But wait: You want gilt, you got gilt, but only on the edges.

      WHAT IF MY BIBLE HAS STICKY PAGES?

      Are some of the pages in your Bibles sticking together?  No worries, this is very common with new Bibles that have gold gilding around the edges of the paper.  For your convenience, we have provided links to a Youtube video that does a wonderful job of explaining how to break your new Bible in.

      Sticky pages from sticky fingers!

      Reply
    79. 79.

      rikyrah

      March 27, 2024 at 5:20 pm

      Been done told you.

      President Biden stopped their book grift. They are madder than a muthaphucka.

      The competency of him and his Administration angers them to no end…because they can’t keep things that they should be reporting to hold for their phucking books.

       

      Daniel Lippman (@dlippman) posted at 0:20 PM on Wed, Mar 27, 2024:
      SCOOP: In another sign of the soft Biden book market, Simon and Schuster has withdrawn its contract with Axios’ Alex Thompson for a book about the Biden administration, two sources told me. The book was originally scheduled to be published early this year. https://t.co/IC0pMnDxKj https://t.co/qKy1vr8IoC
      (https://x.com/dlippman/status/1773037353830945131?t=ixGkpYwMtEj-vXUsTYhJ8w&s=03)

      Reply
    80. 80.

      louc

      March 27, 2024 at 5:23 pm

      Re: Trump Bible. When I saw the headlines, all I could think of was this song. And interestingly, one of the things for sale in the Temple was a machine gun.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      trollhattan

      March 27, 2024 at 5:25 pm

      @JaySinWA: You vant gilt, instead you get guilt!

      My fav part of the ad pitch is them calling it “easy reading.”

      Reply
    82. 82.

      Jay C

      March 27, 2024 at 5:25 pm

      @JaySinWA:

      Heh.

      Obviously, the “Kingdom of God” and the “Public Domain” aren’t coterminous….

      Reply
    83. 83.

      japa21

      March 27, 2024 at 5:27 pm

      Should be noted that the King James Version is considered by the vast majority of biblical scholars as being the least accurate translations out there.

      Reply
    84. 84.

      MazeDancer

      March 27, 2024 at 5:30 pm

      Joe Lieberman died. Complications from a fall.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      Baud

      March 27, 2024 at 5:32 pm

      @MazeDancer:

      Wow.

      ETA: Note to self. Don’t fall.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      March 27, 2024 at 5:32 pm

      As I hear about Trump selling shoes and bible, it’s clear to me that no amount of money is too small for him to scoop up.

      Reply
    87. 87.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 5:33 pm

      @MazeDancer:

      “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

      RIP Joe Lieberman

      Reply
    88. 88.

      HinTN

      March 27, 2024 at 5:33 pm

      @NotMax: Same here. Plus, state law explicitly prohibits wine sales on Easter Sunday. (Generally, you may purchase wine or beer after 10 AM on Sundays. Hooray for blue law revisions!)

      Reply
    89. 89.

      Captain C

      March 27, 2024 at 5:33 pm

      @coin operated:

      “And I’m proud to be an American/

      Where at least I know I’m free/

      And I have the right to kill and fight/

      Anyone who disagrees with me…”

      Reply
    90. 90.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 5:35 pm

      @Baud: Joe has generally been a good counterexample.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 5:36 pm

      @HinTN:Plus, state law explicitly prohibits wine sales on Easter Sunday.

      I suppose that gets people in church for communion.

      Reply
    92. 92.

      Odie Hugh Manatee

      March 27, 2024 at 5:36 pm

      @JaySinWA:

      They went King James because it’s free, no strings unlike NIV. This bible is Lee Greenwood’s scam that is being repurposed for Hair Furor. Word is that people who have ordered both (from Greenwood and then TFG) discovered that they are the exact same thing…lol!

      The only difference is that Hair Furor’s version of the bibble costs $10 more than the Greenwood version. Fleecing the flock from all directions…lol!

      Reply
    93. 93.

      Steve in the ATL

      March 27, 2024 at 5:37 pm

      @HinTN: thankfully I have a well-stocked wine cellar.  And don’t live in Tennessee any more!

      But your area is absolutely beautiful.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      Tom Hamill

      March 27, 2024 at 5:38 pm

      Lieberman dies.  Surely loved by his family and maybe Pete Peterson. Anyone else?

      Reply
    95. 95.

      Gin & Tonic

      March 27, 2024 at 5:39 pm

      @Baud: I fell yesterday, coming out of the vet’s office. I’ll make a point of not doing that again.

      Reply
    96. 96.

      MazeDancer

      March 27, 2024 at 5:40 pm

      @Baud: Please do not fall.

      Don’t know exactly what the case is with Lieberman, but even if the fall doesn’t kill you, the aftermath will.

      It is established fact that when they fall and break something, like a hip, older men die. It’s like they can’t deal with being incapacitated, and they just leave.

      Reply
    97. 97.

      topclimber

      March 27, 2024 at 5:40 pm

      @brantl: It comes as a SHOCK to learn halfway through the article that MAGAT in question told one story about Trump wanting the National Guard in place to the committee (crickets) and another in the media (oh yes he wanted the guard there!).

      So the Jan 6 committee staffers no doubt told him either to swear to the story or STFU.

      Reply
    98. 98.

      sdhays

      March 27, 2024 at 5:40 pm

      @cain: “As for the bible, surprised it didn’t say God Bless Trump.”

      Trump would be very upset to find out it doesn’t say that, but he’ll never actually open it to read anything in it, so he’ll never know.

      Reply
    99. 99.

      Gin & Tonic

      March 27, 2024 at 5:41 pm

      @Tom Hamill: The Connecticut for Lieberman Party must be bereft.

      Reply
    100. 100.

      West of the Rockies

      March 27, 2024 at 5:41 pm

      @Tom Hamill:

      Well… bye.

      Reply
    101. 101.

      topclimber

      March 27, 2024 at 5:42 pm

      @Tom Hamill: Bibi.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      Baud

      March 27, 2024 at 5:42 pm

      I feel we need to increase the deficit in Lieberman’s honor.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      coin operated

      March 27, 2024 at 5:44 pm

      Joe Lieberman (No Labels fuckwit) was busy attacking Biden last month, saying it was time to leave the stage.

      You first, asshole.

      Reply
    104. 104.

      SW

      March 27, 2024 at 5:45 pm

      That is a Saturday Night Live cold open.  “Get me the prop dept.  How do we get a Bible to burst into flames in someone’s hand without injuring him?”

      Reply
    105. 105.

      HinTN

      March 27, 2024 at 5:45 pm

      @MazeDancer: Not gonna lie, aside from missing some unnamed bbq in the old home state, Lieberman was Gore’s worst damn decision evah.

      Reply
    106. 106.

      Baud

      March 27, 2024 at 5:47 pm

      @topclimber:

      John McCain’s ghost.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      Layer8Problem

      March 27, 2024 at 5:48 pm

      @MazeDancer:  A neighbor of mine.  I saw him in the street a couple of times, once in the grocery store.  I held back from saying something obnoxious about his efforts against national health care policy.  He kind of looked generally glum.

      Reply
    108. 108.

      Baud

      March 27, 2024 at 5:49 pm

      @Layer8Problem:

      He always looked that way on TV.

      Reply
    109. 109.

      Origuy

      March 27, 2024 at 5:50 pm

      @Steve in the ATL: Lots of hotel rooms in Utah have the Book of Mormon. Probably in parts of Idaho and Arizona, too.

      Reply
    110. 110.

      CaseyL

      March 27, 2024 at 5:51 pm

      @MazeDancer:

      Time for that great quote from Clarence Darrow (often misattributed to Mark Twain):

      “I’ve never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.”

      Reply
    111. 111.

      cain

      March 27, 2024 at 5:51 pm

      @coin operated: Seems like he accepted the challenge.

      Reply
    112. 112.

      WaterGirl

      March 27, 2024 at 5:51 pm

      @rikyrah:

      Been done told you.

      President Biden stopped their book grift. They are madder than a muthaphucka.

      I’m not sure what you mean by this.  Can you say more?

      Do you think Biden stopped that book from being published? It looks like they are looking around for a new publisher.

      Reply
    113. 113.

      PST

      March 27, 2024 at 5:52 pm

      @Origuy:

      Lots of hotel rooms in Utah have the Book of Mormon. Probably in parts of Idaho and Arizona, too.

      I believe every Marriott property has them in each room. I picked one up once and tried to read it but failed.

      Reply
    114. 114.

      cain

      March 27, 2024 at 5:53 pm

      @HinTN: It was a reaction to Clinton’s sex scandal. Get some conservative guy – boy, that was seriously ridiculous. The patriarchy applauded Clinton.

      Gore should have gotten someone much better – unfortunately, the guy was the opposite in terms of charisma to Clinton and Lieberman didn’t help there.

      Reply
    115. 115.

      MazeDancer

      March 27, 2024 at 5:53 pm

      @HinTN:

      Terrible, terrible, terrible choice.

      @Layer8Problem:

      He always looked glum. Jowly hound dog face.

      But RI P, Joe. Funeral is Friday. And an alleged memorial service TBD.

      Reply
    116. 116.

      Baud

      March 27, 2024 at 5:53 pm

      @PST:

      I’ve tried that with the Bible. Got bored after the Adam and Eve story.

      Reply
    117. 117.

      cain

      March 27, 2024 at 5:53 pm

      As for Lieberman’s death – the manner of his death, I will note and say nothing more.

      Reply
    118. 118.

      Baud

      March 27, 2024 at 5:55 pm

      IIRC Lieberman was strong on the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.  So that’s my nice thing to say about him.

      Reply
    119. 119.

      hueyplong

      March 27, 2024 at 5:55 pm

      Y’all nicer than me.  I figure Leiberman’s demise to have occurred almost precisely a quarter century too late to have been harmless.

      Reply
    120. 120.

      topclimber

      March 27, 2024 at 5:57 pm

      @Baud: You missed all the begatting! Doesn’t sound like you.

      Reply
    121. 121.

      Layer8Problem

      March 27, 2024 at 5:58 pm

      @Baud:  One of my happiest recollections of him was Barack Obama apparently berating him, maybe after a State of the Union, Lieberman with his back to the wall and looking uncomfortable.

      Reply
    122. 122.

      Geminid

      March 27, 2024 at 6:00 pm

      One recent news story: Turkish President Erdogan wangled an invitation from President Biden, and will visit Washington May 9. Among other topics, Erdogan is expected to discuss the war in Gaza and prospects for a Two-State resolution to the larger Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

      The two Presidents will likely also discuss security matters in northeast Syria, where their two countries have been at odds the last decade over US support for the YPG militia. The US Army considers the YPG a vital ally in the fight against the Islamic State, while Turkiye considers them a branch of the PKK that Turkiye has fought a long and bloody war with for 40 years.

      Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan and the head of M.I.T., Turkiye’s intelligence agency, visited DC recently, and Syria was probably a hot topic. The US may withdraw its miltary missions on either side of the Syria/Iraq border later this year, and Turkiye plans to wage an offensive against the PKK in northern Iraq this summer, so officials had a lot to talk about.

      Reply
    123. 123.

      Scout211

      March 27, 2024 at 6:00 pm

      Lieberman’s death reminds me that campaign advisers and inner party  pols think they know what and who the voters want in office and often get it very wrong.

      Lieberman was a very wrong choice for Gore.

      But Joseph R. Biden got it exactly right!

      Reply
    124. 124.

      Baud

      March 27, 2024 at 6:01 pm

      @topclimber:

      I didn’t want to get in trouble with Texas authorities.

      Reply
    125. 125.

      HinTN

      March 27, 2024 at 6:01 pm

      @WaterGirl: Not meaning to speak for @rikyrah: but my take was that Ole Joe is about as teflon as Ronzo and publishers see no profit in attacking him.

      Reply
    126. 126.

      opiejeanne

      March 27, 2024 at 6:01 pm

      Joe Lieberman has died at age 82. Guess he won’t be RFK jr’s VP.

       

      (I know who Kennedy chose, just wanted to get a dig in)

      Reply
    127. 127.

      Nina

      March 27, 2024 at 6:03 pm

      Biden will inevitably say something nice about Lieberman.

      I am attempting to forgive him in advance.

      Reply
    128. 128.

      HinTN

      March 27, 2024 at 6:03 pm

      @cain: I never understood why he couldn’t defend the policies and “deplore” the behavior.

      Reply
    129. 129.

      JPL

      March 27, 2024 at 6:03 pm

      @Tom Hamill: He strengthened the EPA so there is that.  He was quite liberal.    He was also a Hawk.

      Reply
    130. 130.

      Layer8Problem

      March 27, 2024 at 6:04 pm

      @MazeDancer:  I’m sure with the No Labels crowd he was the life of every party, sitting at the keyboard playing and singing Cole Porter tunes with his customary dry martini on top of the piano, or dancing like Astaire with the big donors’ wives.

      Reply
    131. 131.

      Dan B

      March 27, 2024 at 6:05 pm

      @JaySinWA: Wasn’t King James the gay one.  There’s a movie coming out with that sort of storyline.  Nicholas Galatzine and Julianne Moore supposedly chewing up the scenery.  ‘Mary and George’ I believe.

      Reply
    132. 132.

      piratedan

      March 27, 2024 at 6:05 pm

      @MazeDancer: well, he was “graceless”, so that must have been the complication…..

      Reply
    133. 133.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 6:06 pm

      @MazeDancer: It is established fact that when they fall and break something, like a hip, older men die.

      I was surprised at that assertion, but it checks out (not as an absolute but significantly higher death rates between men and women).

      https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7235a1.htm#:~:text=The%20fall%2Drelated%20death%20rate%20was%20higher%20among%20men%20(91.4,other%20racial%20and%20ethnic%20groups.

      The fall-related death rate was higher among men (91.4 per 100,000) than among women (68.3). Death rates were higher among non-Hispanic White and non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native persons than among other racial and ethnic groups.

      Perhaps because men get up on and fall from ladders more often than women. I’ve heard that anecdotally from medical people. But the “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up” commercial keeps playing in my head, along with personal knowledge of fall injuries (few resulting in death) that seem to tilt more toward women than men.

      ETA

      It’s like they can’t deal with being incapacitated, and they just leave.

      We may be less likely to follow medical advice after a fall related injury than a woman might as well.

      Reply
    134. 134.

      Geminid

      March 27, 2024 at 6:07 pm

      @cain: Gore was a very thoughtful man, and I think he over-thought his VP selection. A conventional choice would have been a Senator from a swing state, like Bob Graham of Florida.

      Reply
    135. 135.

      Baud

      March 27, 2024 at 6:08 pm

      @Geminid:

      I’ve learned the hard way that thinking kills.

      Reply
    136. 136.

      Another Scott

      March 27, 2024 at 6:08 pm

      @Geminid: Suppose Erdoğan will apologize for having his goons attack peaceful protesters outside the Turkish Ambassador’s Residence in DC on May 16, 2017??

      Yeah, me neither.

      Grr…,
      Scott.

      Reply
    137. 137.

      prostratedragon

      March 27, 2024 at 6:08 pm

      @rikyrah:  His burn rate must be accelerating; seems it was only $50mill as recently as January sometime. I guess as trials ramp up he’ll be rivalling the gdp of smaller States.

      Reply
    138. 138.

      Dan B

      March 27, 2024 at 6:08 pm

      @Gin & Tonic: And I would recommend a real doctor.  Vets may be a bargain but they’re generally frowned on for care of hoomins.

      Reply
    139. 139.

      eclare

      March 27, 2024 at 6:11 pm

      @MazeDancer:

      Whoa.

      Reply
    140. 140.

      Brachiator

      March 27, 2024 at 6:12 pm

      @Dan B:

      Wasn’t King James the gay one.

      He may have been. He had his favorites. It is supremely ironic that this beautifully poetic English Bible was sponsored by a gay monarch.

      Reply
    141. 141.

      Misterpuff

      March 27, 2024 at 6:12 pm

      I want to say something nice, but I can’t think of anything.

      Bub Bye Droopy Dawg.

      Reply
    142. 142.

      Raoul Paste

      March 27, 2024 at 6:13 pm

      I really hope that Lieberman’s fall and death doesn’t morph into a “Biden is too old “argument.

      Any bets?

      Reply
    143. 143.

      Trollhattan

      March 27, 2024 at 6:14 pm

      @Another Scott: How about the plot to kidnap the Kurdish leader ON US SOIL and take him back to Turkey for…surely good things?

      Yeah, that guy.

      Reply
    144. 144.

      RevRick

      March 27, 2024 at 6:14 pm

      @MazeDancer: Joe Lieberman was the Senior Class President of Stamford High School in 1960. I know this bit of trivia, because he graduated with my brother and sister-in-law.

      Reply
    145. 145.

      RevRick

      March 27, 2024 at 6:16 pm

      @Dan B: Richard the First

      Reply
    146. 146.

      prostratedragon

      March 27, 2024 at 6:17 pm

      @RevRick:  Church I grew up in held Tenebrae on Maundy Thursday evening. Our most solemn observance.

      Reply
    147. 147.

      Steve in the ATL

      March 27, 2024 at 6:17 pm

      @Dan B: ​
       clearly you have never been a NOC who was wounded in a shootout in a foreign country and desperately trying to staunch blood loss and head off infection, so whatever….

      Reply
    148. 148.

      eclare

      March 27, 2024 at 6:17 pm

      @CaseyL:

      Bette Davis on Joan Crawford’s death:  you should never say bad things about the dead, only good.  Joan Crawford is dead.  Good.

      Mee-ouch!

      Reply
    149. 149.

      Timill

      March 27, 2024 at 6:18 pm

      @Dan B: Well, one of them, probably. Edward II certainly was, and William II Rufus probably was

      ETA: And, as RevRick reminds us, Richard I.

      Reply
    150. 150.

      Geminid

      March 27, 2024 at 6:19 pm

      @Another Scott: There’s no way the stubborn Erdogan will ever apologize for anything, but Joe Biden won’t be looking for one either. Right now, US-Turkish relations are the best since George Bush invaded Iraq 21 years ago, and the two leaders want to turn the page on the last 20 years of conflict. They started the process last July at the Vilnius summit in Vilnius.

      Reply
    151. 151.

      Steve in the ATL

      March 27, 2024 at 6:19 pm

      @Dan B: but James Buchanan, so who are we to judge?

      Reply
    152. 152.

      prostratedragon

      March 27, 2024 at 6:20 pm

      @JaySinWA:  Song so great it makes the Bible more holy!!!

      Reply
    153. 153.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 6:22 pm

      @Steve in the ATL: Is there something you would like to tell us about? (But can’t?)

      Reply
    154. 154.

      Matt McIrvin

      March 27, 2024 at 6:23 pm

      @Geminid: Gore himself was temperamentally culturally conservative and the drive to distance himself from Clinton’s scandals was probably driven in part by his own preferences.

      Reply
    155. 155.

      Geminid

      March 27, 2024 at 6:23 pm

      @Trollhattan: I think the leader you are talking about was not Kurdish; it was Mr. Gulen, a Turkish religious leader and former Erdogan ally who Erdogan blames for the attempted military coup of July, 2016.

      Reply
    156. 156.

      BlueGuitarist

      March 27, 2024 at 6:27 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      Great fundraising news.

      OT
      In the thread downstairs, Gretchen mentioned Jess Piper in Missouri bringing uncontested seats down to 18% from 40%.

      haven’t caught up to the most recent filing deadlines, but in the 15 states where the deadline passed before March 15 (about 1/3 of seats up this year):
      42% of state legislative seats uncontested (by major party)
      23% no Democratic candidate
      19% no Republican candidate

      Reply
    157. 157.

      Dan B

      March 27, 2024 at 6:28 pm

      @Brachiator: And now it’s been co-opted by one of the least poetic, lyrical, or intelligent speakers.

      Reply
    158. 158.

      Quadrillipede

      March 27, 2024 at 6:28 pm

      @Baud: From my (limited, years ago) Bible studies, I remember The Book of Revelations being by far the most engaging part of the entire text, with its really quite far-out descriptions of various beasts made of all kinds of metals with thousands of eyes and shooting chromatic flames in various directions.

      It was certainly much more interesting to 8-year-old me than whatever section of the New Testament I was supposed to be studying…

      Reply
    159. 159.

      RevRick

      March 27, 2024 at 6:32 pm

      @Scout211: Gore was trailing Bush badly and selecting an Orthodox Jew was considered a bold move. Indeed, his poll numbers greatly improved. And Ralph Nader notwithstanding, Gore probably would have won Florida if not for the horrendous butterfly ballot in Palm Beach County that led to Pat Buchanan winning several thousand votes that were accidentally chosen by voters thinking they were voting for Lieberman.

      Reply
    160. 160.

      Dan B

      March 27, 2024 at 6:32 pm

      @Steve in the ATL: It would not surprise me that most vets could do a great job with people with the exception of some human specific maladies although specialists in primate care could probably do very well.

      Reply
    161. 161.

      Geminid

      March 27, 2024 at 6:35 pm

      @Matt McIrvin: Like I suggested, Gore over-thought the matter. The selection of a running mate should be first and foremost a matter of practical politics. Gore needed to win before he could start setting a good moral example, and using Joe Lieberman to signal virtue was a very poor decision I think, and not just in hindsight.

      Reply
    162. 162.

      eclare

      March 27, 2024 at 6:35 pm

      @Dan B:

      When my dog tore her equivalent of an ACL I took her to a specialty clinic where I bet the surgeons there could have operated on people.  They were all grads of Mississippi State, which has a very well respected vet program.

      Reply
    163. 163.

      prostratedragon

      March 27, 2024 at 6:37 pm

      @NotMax:   Not sure if still true, but Chicago Public Schools used to have it as a holiday also. The city used to be 60 percent Catholic — literally — and still might be Catholic-plurality.

      Reply
    164. 164.

      sab

      March 27, 2024 at 6:40 pm

      @Dan B: I think he was. Long before him, Richard the Lionhearted was also.

      Reply
    165. 165.

      Citizen Alan

      March 27, 2024 at 6:42 pm

      @Dan B: There was a King James episode during the Jodie Whitaker era of Doctor Who. He was played by Alan Cummings and spent the whole episode blatantly hitting on Ryan when he wasn’t trying to burn the Doctor as a witch.

      Reply
    166. 166.

      Citizen Alan

      March 27, 2024 at 6:44 pm

      @RevRick: I think any advantage that came from picking an Orthodox Jew was offset by the fact that the pick was intended to say “Fuck Bill Clinton! I hate him as much as the NYT does!”

      Reply
    167. 167.

      Bill Arnold

      March 27, 2024 at 7:05 pm

      @Steve in the ATL:

      In some places there is also a koran–I can sell that to them as well for their book burning bashes!

      With or without the “TRUMP!!!” written in sharpie?

      Reply
    168. 168.

      JaySinWA

      March 27, 2024 at 7:11 pm

      @Citizen Alan: I think Gore was trying (unsuccessfully) to run the “I’m not mad, just disappointed” route.

      Reply
    169. 169.

      Miss Bianca

      March 27, 2024 at 8:13 pm

      @coin operated: So say we all.

      Reply
    170. 170.

      rikyrah

      March 28, 2024 at 12:30 am

      @WaterGirl:

      It was Kay who pointed it out first..

      The tendency of these reporters to actually keep pertinent information that should have been revealed in real time…so that they could use it for their books.

       

      In order to report about Biden and his Administration, you actually have to report on POLICY. They can’t hold shyt back for books

      Reply
    171. 171.

      wjca

      March 28, 2024 at 12:56 am

      @rikyrah: In order to report about Biden and his Administration, you actually have to report on POLICY. They can’t hold shyt back for books.

      Sure you can.  As long as nobody is reporting on policy in real time….

      Which, unfortunately, seems more common than not.

      Reply
    172. 172.

      Rene

      March 28, 2024 at 1:03 am

      @SomeRandomGuy: Absolutely! Conman Moses Pray/ Ryan O’Neil in Paper Moon (award winning movie) came immediately to mind. I’m surprised no one has made a cartoon of this yet but I’m old and that movie came out several decades ago.

      Reply
    173. 173.

      Geminid

      March 28, 2024 at 6:01 am

      @Geminid: That should be “the NATO summit in Vilnius,” July of last year. There was a visible warming of US-Turkiye relations afterwards, expressed among other ways  by high-profile joint naval exercises the next month.

      The FBI raid on Senator Menendez and his subsequent indictment probably helped. Menendez was hostile to Turkiye, and his Foreign Relations Chairmanship was a stumbling block for relations.

      Reply
    174. 174.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 11:04 am

      @sdhays: He wanted to sell it for $69.69, but his team told him that would not be fly with his target clientele.

      Ewwww!

      Reply
    175. 175.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 11:05 am

      @JaySinWA: I think the gilt would have cost more to produce. So, no gilt.

      Reply
    176. 176.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 11:07 am

      @trollhattan: My cousin used to long haul truck drive and said Montana was the prettiest state he ever visited.

      Reply
    177. 177.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 11:09 am

      @cmorenc: All the idiots that buy one will soon be getting visits from aluminum siding salesmen. Even if their house is brick.

      Reply
    178. 178.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 11:11 am

      @coin operated: I went to Ryman once and Thank God no fucking Lee Greenwood or Toby Keith or any other RW dipshit that night.

      Had a great time there!

      Reply
    179. 179.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 11:13 am

      @MazeDancer: Yay!  I celebrated a little last night! That POS might have cost us the win back in 2000. He sure didn’t bring one fucking voter. Let Darth Snarly just play with him as a cat plays with a mouse. Then did the ‘Connecticut for Lieberman’ stunt.

      God I hated that MFer! Glad he is dead.

      Reply
    180. 180.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 11:14 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: I wonder is ole Joe was wearing those shoes when he had his fall?

      Reply
    181. 181.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 11:19 am

      @HinTN: Yup. Having Tipper do that PMRCA stuff in late 80s was number 2, IMO.

      Reply
    182. 182.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 11:21 am

      @opiejeanne: Even RFK the Very Lesser wasn’t stupid enough to pick that sadsack POS.

      Unfortunately, VP Gore was.  Excelsior!

      Reply
    183. 183.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 11:22 am

      @Brachiator: He did father an heir. Did his job.

      Reply
    184. 184.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 11:24 am

      @Timill: Richard II maybe too.

      Reply
    185. 185.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 11:25 am

      @Matt McIrvin: IMO, his political strategery wasn’t the best.

      Reply
    186. 186.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 11:26 am

      @RevRick: If he’d chosen Sen. Graham, he’d have been President.  End of story.

      Reply
    187. 187.

      Paul in KY

      March 28, 2024 at 3:24 pm

      @Paul in KY: Also Edward IV was a ‘screw anything that moved’ kind of guy.

      Reply
    188. 188.

      The Lodger

      March 28, 2024 at 7:15 pm

      @Citizen Alan: Alan Cumming as King Jamie? Sorry I missed it.

      Reply

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