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A Good Combination: Entertainment and Education Open Thread

by WaterGirl|  March 28, 20245:21 pm| 75 Comments

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Subaru Diane sent in this great video.  It’s only 9 minutes.

This must be like the absurdity of dealing with MAGA people when they expect that facts are like opinions – everyone can have their own.

Open thread!

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    1. 1.

      japa21

      March 28, 2024 at 5:32 pm

      Cool

       

      ETA: Thanks SD

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Baud

      March 28, 2024 at 5:37 pm

      Cute. Although until they had the news media segments, I was on the fence whether it was some right wing outfit pretending we were the oppressive ones, like how Elon Musk pretends he supports free speech and we cancel it.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      HinTN

      March 28, 2024 at 5:44 pm

      I’ll take that $22,000 all the way to the bank.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      MattF

      March 28, 2024 at 5:44 pm

      Um, by that logic 2000 + 2000 = 20002000.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      NotMax

      March 28, 2024 at 5:45 pm

      “Math class is tough”
      – Barbie
      .

      Reply
    6. 6.

      FastEdD

      March 28, 2024 at 5:49 pm

      I’m a retired math and science teacher! 34 years in public schools, retired many years ago. I love it! Teaching is essentially an impossible job, when your career depends on the approval of those who you may offend by holding them to a high standard. People have the idea that tenure means you can be a screwup and never be fired. Not true. What it does mean is that if you hold them to standards like-gasp-making them work, and-oh no-grading them based on whether they can actually do the work, you can keep your job even if someone complains. That’s all. Horrible teachers who do horrible things still get fired, but teachers who stand up for themselves keep their jobs. I remember my first two years when a parent complained about his kid’s grade. I said sure, I’ll give him whatever you want. My third year I had tenure. Same kid, same parent, demanding the kid pass. I smiled and said nope, kid needs to earn it. Parent complains to principal, who complains to me. I very nicely told them all to pound sand. That’s what tenure will do, and why we in the union fight like hell to keep it. Contracts aren’t all about money.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      JPL

      March 28, 2024 at 5:53 pm

      Earlier I mentioned that a Melissa and doug puzzle I ordered was being held by a government authority.  The UPS number uses this symbol

      A yellow triangle with an exclamation mark in the middle. This warning sign is used to warn people of someone or something that is dangerous

      puzzle dust I presume, or a dog with a cold.   I’m not going to get that puzzle am I/

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Baud

      March 28, 2024 at 5:54 pm

      @MattF:

      Exactly. But I guess that would have been more difficult to say out loud in the video and have the audience get it right away.

      Reply
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      SiubhanDuinne

      March 28, 2024 at 5:57 pm

      It’s only 9 minutes.

      I’ve watched it twice now. That’s 99 minutes I’ll never get back.

      Reply
    10. 10.

      Baud

      March 28, 2024 at 5:58 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne:

      Heh.

      Reply
    11. 11.

      WaterGirl

      March 28, 2024 at 5:58 pm

      @JPL: I’m not sure if you’re going to get it, but I am pretty sure that I would no longer want to receive it.

      For all you know, the guy who worked in the shipping department deals drugs on the side, and some drug sniffing dog thought it was interesting. :-)

      Reply
    12. 12.

      NoraLenderbee

      March 28, 2024 at 5:58 pm

      Funny, but also terrifying.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      SpaceUnit

      March 28, 2024 at 5:59 pm

      I’m only halfway through the video, but so far it too closely resembles real life for my tastes.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      JPL

      March 28, 2024 at 6:00 pm

      @FastEdD:  Thank you!

      Reply
    15. 15.

      JPL

      March 28, 2024 at 6:01 pm

      @WaterGirl: If it comes, it’s in the trash.  I’m not going to donate it an let someone else figure out what happened.

      Reply
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      WaterGirl

      March 28, 2024 at 6:01 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: She seemed like she would be such a nice teacher. :-)

      Reply
    17. 17.

      Baud

      March 28, 2024 at 6:01 pm

      I wonder how 2+2=4 became the standard example of pure truth instead of 1+1=2.

      Reply
    18. 18.

      Baud

      March 28, 2024 at 6:02 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      She reminded me of Betty White.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      WaterGirl

      March 28, 2024 at 6:02 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: I am a bad person for suggesting this, but have you considered sending the video to your flat-earth brother?

      Reply
    20. 20.

      zhena gogolia

      March 28, 2024 at 6:03 pm

      @SpaceUnit: I didn’t get that far.

      Reply
    21. 21.

      WaterGirl

      March 28, 2024 at 6:03 pm

      @Baud: I can see that!

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Scout211

      March 28, 2024 at 6:03 pm

      @JPL: I didn’t see your previous comment.

      Does the notice say what government agency is holding it? Could it be US Customs?

      What site did you order it from?

      ETA: Amazon has many third part sellers from outside of the country and it’s not clear until the package is shipped that it is coming from another country.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Another Scott

      March 28, 2024 at 6:03 pm

      Well done.  And scary.  :-/

      Thanks!

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      zhena gogolia

      March 28, 2024 at 6:03 pm

      @Baud: Maybe because of Dostoevsky’s Notes from Underground.

      Reply
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      FastEdD

      March 28, 2024 at 6:05 pm

      Another thing I like about the film. The kid is a little asshole, and the parents come in and surprise! They are assholes too! Makes you appreciate that’s where the kid got it. I taught lower income kids because the parents weren’t getting in your face all the time, and when the kids succeeded it really was something to be proud of. We had one kid called “Marvin the Martian” because he spoke made up languages and seemed to think he was in a different world. I got to know his Mom and his home life was so screwed up his different world was the only way to make sense of it. Kid ditched math class for 6 months and aced the AP Calculus test anyway. Scary.

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    26. 26.

      Baud

      March 28, 2024 at 6:05 pm

      @zhena gogolia:

      I can’t believe I forgot about that.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      Baud

      March 28, 2024 at 6:06 pm

      @FastEdD:

      The parents should have been wearing red caps.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      SiubhanDuinne

      March 28, 2024 at 6:06 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      When my cousin sent it, he included flat-earth brother in the email distribution. Have no idea whether or not he watched it, though (I did vaguely wonder, but not enough to ask).

      P.S. Thanks for putting it up. This seems like a good day for it.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      Another Scott

      March 28, 2024 at 6:06 pm

      @Baud:

      It takes about 379 pages of dense math to prove 1+1 = 2

      2+2 is easier.

      ;-)

      Cheers,
      Scott.

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    30. 30.

      Baud

      March 28, 2024 at 6:07 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne:

      See my comment at #2. It’s always projection with them.*

      * Not that all humans don’t suffer from the problem to some extent.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      BigJimSlade

      March 28, 2024 at 6:08 pm

      @MattF: Ooh, yeah! They should’ve worked with that – she could’ve offered both as possible correct answers and asked how open-minded he was.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      Jay

      March 28, 2024 at 6:10 pm

      @JPL

      What is the yellow triangle with exclamation point on UPS tracking?

      Packages that have not had a corresponding shipping paper printed are identified by an exclamation point in a yellow triangle over the printer icon that precedes the tracking number.

      Basically, incomplete shipping documents.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      rebelsdad (fka texasboyshaun)

      March 28, 2024 at 6:11 pm

      *kicks door open with size 10.5 cowboy boots*

      Hey y’all, I’m baaaaack!

      Reply
    34. 34.

      SiubhanDuinne

      March 28, 2024 at 6:11 pm

      @JPL:

      That is extremely weird. Have you talked with an actual person at Macy’s? Be interesting to know if similar problems have occurred with the same product line or manufacturer. Hope the whole thing gets sorted quickly for you.

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    35. 35.

      JPL

      March 28, 2024 at 6:12 pm

      @Scout211: At first that’s what I thought but it originated in CA.   I ordered it from Macy’s

      6:45PM

      Your package is pending release from a Government Agency. Once they release it, your package will be on its way.
      ,

      6:30PM

      We were unable to dispatch the trailer on time. This may cause a delay.
      ,

      6:11PM

      Arrived at Facility     The UPS number doesn’t show details, just has the warning symbol

      Hodgkins, IL

      Reply
    36. 36.

      NotMax

      March 28, 2024 at 6:12 pm

      @JPL

      If it arrives, either refuse delivery or else return it unopened in person to the closest Macy’s.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      mali muso

      March 28, 2024 at 6:15 pm

      Greetings from the airport where widget and I are waiting to board our budget airline flight to Paris via Reykjavik!  Tablets are loaded with entertainment, bag loaded with snacks. Budget means everything costs money on board so hopefully I’m prepared. Lol. Still, the tickets for both of us were less than 1 person on a regular airline so we will roll with it.  Wishing all jackals a hoppy easter bunny weekend!

      Reply
    38. 38.

      SiubhanDuinne

      March 28, 2024 at 6:15 pm

      @Baud:

      It’s always projection with them.

      Yup. Always, always, always.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      JPL

      March 28, 2024 at 6:15 pm

      @NotMax: It was only nine dollars so easiest is trash.  I doubt that it’s coming.   I think WaterGirl is right, that someone touched the package with something nefarious on their hands.

      That or one of the largest manufacturers of toys, Melissa and Doug, have been dealing all along.   (kidding)

      Reply
    40. 40.

      UncleEbeneezer

      March 28, 2024 at 6:17 pm

      @NotMax: OMG, I want one!

      “In 1993, to draw attention to what they regarded as outdated gender stereotypes exemplified by the dolls, a group of East Village performance artists calling themselves the Barbie Liberation Organization orchestrated an exchange of voice boxes between 300 Teen Talk Barbies and Hasbro Talking Duke G.I. Joe action figures, which were replaced on store shelves.[1][6][7] Affected Teen Talk Barbies spoke phrases such as “Eat lead, Cobra!”, “Attack!”, and “Vengeance is mine!”[13] “

      Reply
    41. 41.

      SiubhanDuinne

      March 28, 2024 at 6:17 pm

      @mali muso:

      Bon voyage! Hope you both have a wonderful time! (Don’t forget photos and commentary for On the Road!)

      Reply
    42. 42.

      mali muso

      March 28, 2024 at 6:19 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: Thanks! Will try to gather some content for OTR. Will be so interesting to experience Paris through the eyes of a seven year old.🤣

      Reply
    43. 43.

      SiubhanDuinne

      March 28, 2024 at 6:22 pm

      @JPL:

      one of the largest manufacturers of toys, Melissa and Doug

      Until your saga began, I had never heard of Melissa and Doug.

      [Tell me there are no children in your life without telling me there are no children in your life.] 

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Jay

      March 28, 2024 at 6:23 pm

      @JPL:

      See above.

      it’s going to arrive, just late. The Shipper at Macy’s did not properly fill out the UPS paperwork or include all copies.

      As for the “Government Agency”, most high volume shippers, have various Government Inspection facilities located inside sorting stations, that do both random and targeted inspections of packages.

      The package is no longer “held” by the unnamed “Government Agency”, so the package may have been “held” because of the missing paperwork, or a dog keying in on the off gassing printer ink or laminated plastic overlay.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      JPL

      March 28, 2024 at 6:23 pm

      @mali muso: Happy Easter to you also.   Take pictures!

      Reply
    46. 46.

      JPL

      March 28, 2024 at 6:25 pm

      @Jay: Thanks!   It’s still going into the trash, though.

      Definitely makes sense though.

      Macy’s has free shipping at 25.00 so if I find something cute for the grand imps, I’ll add on something because it is often less expensive than shipping.  The package had to arrive in two shipments though.

      btw I never had a problem when I added on a truck.   just saying

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    47. 47.

      SiubhanDuinne

      March 28, 2024 at 6:26 pm

      Entirely off-topic, but does anyone know if there’s going to be a way to watch the event tonight with Presidents Biden, Obama, and Clinton? Stephen Colbert is moderating. If it doesn’t air or stream live, I hope there’s some way to see it tomorrow, at least the highlights.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      Tarragon

      March 28, 2024 at 6:29 pm

      @SpaceUnit:

      yeah.  I made it through but it was hard to watch

      Reply
    49. 49.

      JPL

      March 28, 2024 at 6:29 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne:  The Biden/Harris site might have more information.   I saw something earlier where you could stream if you donated $25.00

      Reply
    50. 50.

      dnfree

      March 28, 2024 at 6:35 pm

      @FastEdD: ​
        When I was on my local school board, in Illinois, we had some number of teachers who should no longer have been teaching, but they were. We had teachers in their 50s who were still gung-ho and learning and enthusiastic, but we had a few who were just putting in the time until they could collect their pensions. We even had teachers who were no longer really able to do their jobs, but they still had tenure. Some of them we had to remove from classroom contact with students and find some makeshift job for.

      In Illinois, you can’t even fire a teacher for cause locally. We had one elementary PE teacher who had struck children and been “remediated” more than once (retrained etc.) The last time, he not only struck a child, but went to that child’s house and tried to intimidate the parent into not reporting it. With the involvement of lawyers (costs a lot of money) and following an exacting process where if you miss a deadline, the process ends, we voted to fire him. It had to go to a state board and they had to agree that he could be fired because we had tried enough times to work with him to improve.

      In other words, tenure serves a function that is both positive and negative. It keeps teachers from being fired capriciously or unfairly, or to get rid of higher-paid teachers and replace them with younger inexperienced teachers, but it also protects teachers who shouldn’t be teaching.

      Don’t get me started on how people wind up teaching something they’re “certified” to teach but have little actual background in.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      JPL

      March 28, 2024 at 6:36 pm

      @Jay: fyi  I used google to find out what the  symbol meant, how did you find it?

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Another Scott

      March 28, 2024 at 6:37 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: I assume not.  But I expect the campaign to put up clips soon thereafter.

      bidenhq on Twitter

      joe.link/threads

      etc.

      HTH a little.

      Corrections welcome.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    53. 53.

      schrodingers_cat

      March 28, 2024 at 6:38 pm

      IIRC I have seen this before it was making rounds during the early COVID years and remember being irked by it. Google says, its from 2017.

      BTW do BJers have any opinions about Jo Boaler and Mathish?

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Van Buren

      March 28, 2024 at 6:38 pm

      Some of the YouTube comments are…interesting.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      SpaceUnit

      March 28, 2024 at 6:39 pm

      @Tarragon:

      I thought it was pretty effective satire, actually.  Definitely reminded me of interactions I’ve had with wingnuts and libertarians.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      KrackenJack

      March 28, 2024 at 6:41 pm

      @SpaceUnit:

      @zhena gogolia:

      @Tarragon:

      Yeah, I made it halfway through and skipped to the end. I don’t have the emotional distance to find that funny at all. Well done, though.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      Siubhan Duinne

      March 28, 2024 at 6:42 pm

      For some reason, the “reply” function isn’t working, but thanks to everyone who weighed in on my question about Colbert and the Presidents.

      ETA: Aha! And it disappeared my nym and email. FYWP (been a while since I typed that).

      Reply
    58. 58.

      Jay

      March 28, 2024 at 6:42 pm

      @JPL:

      As it’s been released by the “Government Agency”, it’s been inspected and perfectly safe, other than maybe some missing puzzle pieces.

      When I worked at OceanWorks, I was responsible for all the HazMat packaging and shipping, had to take a two day course on it.

      UPS, FedEx and other shippers can handle some HazMat materials, some HazMat materials, (and volumes) have to ship via a specialty carrier. Every thing needs to be packed the right way, marked and labeled properly, all the right paperwork, SDS’s, etc.

      One of the things we were taught is that any package with a “chemical smell” and no HazMat labeling and paperwork would be held and inspected.

      A bunch of the parts we would buy, would come in reeking of cosmoline, ( a protective grease) or cutting oil. Part of my job was ensuring that the suppliers made notes on the shipping documents of the “smell” and included the SDS’s for what ever was making the smell, so they wouldn’t get held up in transit.

      Some of the parts, had to cross multiple borders, multiple times, as they went from raw material to finished product.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      SiubhanDuinne

      March 28, 2024 at 6:44 pm

      Test

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Jay

      March 28, 2024 at 6:45 pm

      @JPL:

      Googled UPS, waybill, yellow triangle, exclamation point,

      The first 8 hits were related to car dashboard warning lights.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      JPL

      March 28, 2024 at 6:48 pm

      @Jay:  Thank you and how interesting.  btw  They haven’t released it yet, but I assume they will soon.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      FastEdD

      March 28, 2024 at 6:57 pm

      @dnfree: Have you been a teacher? Have you been under pressure like the lady in the film? Where I’m from every teacher is evaluated biannually and if they don’t meet teaching standards, they are out. Usually the pressure from above is what keeps teachers in subject matters they aren’t qualified for. Teachers themselves aren’t begging to teach something they aren’t comfortable with. They are jammed in there like a square peg in a round hole. I had many administrators that I admired because they worked as hard as we did, but those principals changed every other year-I went through 12 of them. They did not have the long term interests of the school at heart because they only lasted a few months. Tenure means a teacher can have the long term view. Besides, in many states there is a huge teacher shortage and kids are lucky to have any permanent teacher at all.

      Reply
    63. 63.

      RSA

      March 28, 2024 at 6:58 pm

      Excellent.  Checking out all the awards, I saw that this appeared in 2017, well before COVID and the mainstream anti-vax movement.  The film makers had some nice predictive powers… almost prescience.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      Central Planning

      March 28, 2024 at 6:59 pm

      @Jay: Perfectly safe except for the 5G chips they inserted that will control your mind.

      Reply
    65. 65.

      WaterGirl

      March 28, 2024 at 7:15 pm

      @Siubhan Duinne: Well, something is different because your comment went into moderation.  I wonder if your nym or email has a typo?

      Reply
    66. 66.

      WaterGirl

      March 28, 2024 at 7:16 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: For your nym, are you normally one word or two?

      edit: I looked, and the two names are normally run together.

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      March 28, 2024 at 7:16 pm

      @mali muso: Have a wonderful time

      Reply
    68. 68.

      funlady75

      March 28, 2024 at 7:29 pm

      @mali muso: have a wonderful trip  to Paris…please visit Versailles if you can……& Sacre Bleu church also.. great food too……..

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Martin

      March 28, 2024 at 7:49 pm

      I don’t like this video.

      The right don’t act the way they do because they oppose math or science. They act the way they do because they have an agenda. Ignoring that and just viewing them as dumb or stubborn isn’t helpful. What is helpful is acknowledging the agenda and speaking to it. Yes, danger lies that way.

      But nobody will be persuaded without acknowledging that agenda and speaking to it.

      Reply
    70. 70.

      FastEdD

      March 28, 2024 at 8:01 pm

      I know the film is fiction, and it exists to make a good point. As an experienced teacher, the only thing I’d quibble with is that lady should have gotten to know her Principal before the (inevitable) parent complaints started rolling in. If your boss won’t have your back you need to know that first. Don’t wait until a disaster happens.

      Reply
    71. 71.

      Uncle Cosmo

      March 28, 2024 at 8:21 pm

      @mali muso: ​You’re flying PLAY Airlines, aincha? I’ve flown with them a couple of times. Here’s two helpful budget hints:

      1. The food onboard seems awfully pricey but in fact it is slightly cheaper than what’s available at Keflavik airport. It could be even cheaper if you wait to buy it till toward the end of the flight – when they will sometimes cut the price of any leftover microwave=heated items by 20% or so.

      2. If you have time between flights at Keflavik (at least 20 minutes) and you’ve saved any empty bottles, you can get free fillups of very good Icelandic water: Turn right in the long corridor beyond passport control and continue down to the food shops and duty-free area; you’ll pass a large comic-book-style mural on the right. Follow the signs to the right to the rest rooms or smoking area (same direction). In the hallway between the restrooms and the smoking area are water fountains where you can fill those bottles with pure Icelandic water for free. Drink as much as you like and then refill – you ought to be able to take it with you on the next flight.

      Bon voyage!​​

      Reply
    72. 72.

      Freemark

      March 28, 2024 at 8:46 pm

      @WaterGirl: Wouldn’t work. If you read the comments the nutters think it’s an anti-woke video. Completely ignoring the ‘alternative facts’ references and rainbows.

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    73. 73.

      dnfree

      March 28, 2024 at 10:25 pm

      @FastEdD: In the cases I know of in Illinois, teachers of subjects that they don’t know much about are in those positions because “certification” here isn’t what you might think.  I’ll give you two examples.

      1)  I have a relative who was certified for both early childhood and elementary education.  (This is rare–requires more undergraduate work.)  In Illinois, if you’re certified for early childhood, apparently if you take two more courses you can also be certified for special education, which it can be difficult to get teachers to do.  This relative got multiple job offers to be a special ed teacher when she graduated, which she did not want to do and didn’t consider herself actually qualified to do, but districts were more in need of special ed than of early elementary teachers.

      I have another relative who bounced from district to district for reasons I will not speculate on, but he had trouble getting tenure.  His specialty was history, but he was hired for teaching science–which he again was “certified” for but hadn’t even taken enough courses for a minor, let alone the fact that he was a creationist and doesn’t believe in evolution or climate change.  That’s what he could get a job teaching, because it’s what districts needed.  When he did get tenure, it was for high school special education, and I have no idea if he had gotten extra training or not.

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    74. 74.

      dnfree

      March 28, 2024 at 10:28 pm

      @FastEdD: Also, I was on the board with a retired teacher, and she considered teacher evaluation to be a joke.  She said administrators typically announce exactly when they’re coming to evaluate you, so you can be prepared to present well.  She sometimes said “No one knows what really goes on once the classroom door is closed.”  Again, I’m sure this varies from district to district and state to state.  And I consider most teachers to be dedicated and hard-working.  It’s just difficult to remove those who are “coasting” or worse.  But I also understand the positives of tenure.

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      Ironcity

      March 29, 2024 at 9:33 am

      @mali muso: Hope it is a through flight.  If you need to make a connection in KEF and the flight in is late you are hosed.  Then the flight from KEF to CDG can be really late too,  or early.  Spin the roulette wheel of LCCs.  And have a good flight.

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