It's enough of a safe bet that Trump and other major GOP figures are actively sabotaging American diplomats seeking a hostage release that it should be treated as certainty. https://t.co/BPD9cIGwvk
— zeddy (@Zeddary) April 9, 2024
Are a bear’s sanitary arrangements convenient to its woodland home? Of course he is. Is the GOP happily abetting the crime cartel, ‘patriotism’ be damned? After Nixon, Reagan, and Bush… of course they are.
Will Bunch, at the Philadelphia Inquirer — “Trump’s family takes Saudi cash and deals with MBS and Netanyahu. That’s troublesome.”:
It’s now been seven years since one of the most iconic political moments of the Donald Trump era: the 2017 photo of the then-newly elected 45th president surrounded by Saudi Arabian royals and oligarchs dressed in traditional garb, all fondling a mysterious, glowing orb.
But for Trump and his family, the afterglow from that encounter — and the beginning of what fictional American emigree-to-the-Arab-world Rick Blaine would have called “a beautiful friendship” with the Saudis — has never dimmed.
This weekend, the endless gusher of petrodollars from Riyadh left their oily mark on the dim jewel of Trump’s fast-fading empire, the Trump National Doral course outside of Miami. There, the Saudi-funded LIV Golf tour brought yet another televised and star-studded tournament to a resort owned by the 45th president’s business arm.
We don’t how much the LIV tour — largely a creation of the massive sovereign wealth fund controlled by the Saudi dictator Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) — paid the Trump Organization for the three-day event. The LIV people insist the money is nominal, but no one would argue that the widely seen tournaments are propping up Trump’s coffers at a time when his hotel brand is in the loo, and the established PGA golf tour is avoiding the ex-POTUS and his 88 felony charges.
The New York Times, in a deep dive this weekend into Trump’s business world and its ties to the MBS regime, reported that Trump’s 15 golf resorts from California to Scotland — including one under construction in Oman in partnership with (surprise!) Saudi business interests — are his last remaining profit center, as the LIV events draw fans and also boost the cache of his private clubs that can charge as much as $400,000 for an individual membership…
It all looks like textbook corruption, since the Saudis didn’t start doing substantial business with the Trump family until after his presidency — when, among other things, his administration whitewashed any real probe into MBS’ involvement in the killing of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi — and before his current campaign, which has him in a dead heat with President Joe Biden. But in a world on fire, there are even bigger geopolitical reasons to be alarmed over Team Trump’s close ties…
…[W]hat if the current leaders in Jerusalem and Riyadh thought they could get better deals by waiting nine months and seeing if Trump becomes 47th president? What if Netanyahu, increasingly unpopular and, like Trump, facing criminal charges, thinks that another term for Trump — whose policies were rabidly pro-Israel, even if his personal friendship with the Israeli prime minister cooled after the 2020 election — is his best hope for staying in power?…
all we have to go on is Nixon committing treason in 1968, the now-proven 1980 October Surprise conspiracy, Iran-Contra, Trump openly hoping the economy crashes, and Trump's own extensive history of telling foreign leaders to do his bidding against Biden and other Democrats.
— zeddy (@Zeddary) April 9, 2024
Will someone please tell me what happened to this story? Seems rather important. pic.twitter.com/qkKl2qERBg
— OvereducatedAFVermin 🐀🥁🛹🍩🥀🇺🇦 (@BrandonWon2020) April 9, 2024
Baud
The only thing missing is James Comey.
NotMax
cachet
/pet peeve
Martin
Israel and Saudi Arabia on the same team? See how Trump is bringing about peace in the Middle East?
bbleh
And not to get TOO conspiratorial here, but one wonders how much more such information will find its way into national publications well ahead of the election.
Sources Say Saudis Bankrolling Trump To Influence US Policy.
Trump And Saudi Benefactors Said To Plan “October Surprise” Announcement.
Trump Announces Major Policy Address But Who’s Calling The Shots?
One trusts the Biden people are not entirely new to this kind of game.
sab
Netanyahu and Saudi crown prince on same team. There is not and never has been an Arab hegemony. Palestinians screwd because of that. I hope American Jews recognize that. Just some disenfranchised replaced people.
Renie
How quickly Americans forget who helped finance 911. Living in the suburbs of NYC, I’ll never forget. It’s been over 20 years and the GOP presidential candidate and his family are buddy buddy with the Saudis. Disgusting.
Harrison Wesley
Trump save MBS’ ass? That’s an interesting take. (As a long-time Philly resident, I’m still a big fan of Will Bunch.)
Brachiator
Sigh. There was a time when political leaders would avoid conflicts of interest, and their peers and the press would blast them for violations. Seems so long ago.
HumboldtBlue
And while they’re looking into just how deeply the Saudis have bought Trump, can it be extended into just how deeply Putin is into Trump?
At this point, the GOP is a 5th column actively promoting Russian interests and actively thwarting what’s best for this country, and it’s because they’re bought and paid for by Putin.
Sure Lurkalot
Party of life prolonging the Vietnam war and the holding of American hostages to win elections. I’d hazard a guess that 75% of American voters know nothing of these traitorous actions and I might be generous. I’d say that 100% of Republican voters would either deny these things ever happened, or if they did, it was a long time ago and/or they were justified considering the mortal threat of having a Democrat win a presidential election.
Hoping that the Biden administration has NMFLTG in disclosing whatever they learn or know about Republicans’ fuckery.
Anne Laurie
That’s how *Trump* (claims he) sees it. Because of course he does. What’s he gonna do, brag that he’d be bankrupt or long dead if not for the ‘generous’ assistance of various foreign powers?
Mr. Bemused Senior
Google “law against private citizens engaging in diplomacy” (BTW, auto-complete finds it just starting to type it. I suppose this means lots of people are looking it up.) Ah yes, the Logan act.
Harrison Wesley
@Mr. Bemused Senior: You mean – something like a UK Minister visiting the Orange Oaf to discuss policy? Surely not!
Mike in NC
Fat Bastard will accept any bribe from any sleazy player. One of the most corrupt people that ever lived. He’s owned by several Russian oligarchs.
Brachiator
@HumboldtBlue:
Putin is not a commie anymore, so the GOP believes that his money is okay.
NotMax
@Mike in NC
But only the Saudis let one fondle their orbs.
//
SiubhanDuinne
@Mike in NC:
Is it too much to hope that said oligarchs might have a falling-out amongst themselves? I’d enjoy watching them fight over the spoils.
brendancalling
I’m too angry to leave any constructive comments right now. About so much shit.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mike in NC: redacted.
teezyskeezy
@SiubhanDuinne: “Falling out”…If I say the obvious defenestration punchline, it would ruin it for too many. I’ll keep everyone’s favorite cliches outta my mouth. *Slaps self*
EDITED
different-church-lady
@brendancalling: Come glower next to me.
Redshift
Every Republican candidate running to succeed a Democrat in my lifetime has sandbagged US foreign policy interests for political gain. Every one.
This is not a Trump thing, it’s not even a Reagan “conservative movement” thing, it’s just who the GOP are.
mrmoshpotato
@Renie:
I remember that. Fifteen of those nineteen bastards being Saudi Arabian.
mrmoshpotato
@HumboldtBlue:
You mean how Dump has been sucking Kremlin ass since at least 1987?
teezyskeezy
So, I’ve realized based on the everbuttsor escapades in the previous thread that some know a real troll and some call everyone who has a “bad” opinion a troll because that’s easier. (eversaor is a real troll, clearly).
I won’t argue with how this or that person considers me, but I will say: pie filter has it’s drawbacks. You see some “I LIKE PIE” bs and you get sucked into thinking everyone sees that and don’t realize some people see you interacting with a very normal comment in a weirdly dismissive surreal way (because you subconsciously think everyone’s pied the person too) and they wonder about you more than the other comment, which isn’t pied to them.
This creates a schism in the community. Parallel interactions and reality, which exacerbate division.
Martin
USSC is playing a seriously dangerous game here.
If Trump is facing substantial criminal sentence off of these 91 felonies, and being re-elected is effectively a get-out-of-jail free card for him, because it is, then there’s literally nothing he won’t do to get re-elected, no crime he won’t break.
The solution to this is to determine his guilt or innocence prior to the election.
mrmoshpotato
@Brachiator:
Well put.
sdhays
OT: It seems Judge Cannon blinked with regards to publicizing witnesses’ identities.
teezyskeezy
@mrmoshpotato: Never attribute to blatant treason or blackmail what can be explained by complete and utter nihilistic lack of values coupled with complete stupidity.
EDIT: maybe I riffed on that one a little.
Frankensteinbeck
@sdhays:
Declaring something insane and then backing off just enough so Smith can’t go to the 11th Circuit and get her thrown off the case is pretty much Cannon’s MO in this case.
Sister Golden Bear
@sdhays: Key words “for now.” Just as Judge Loose Cannon’s decision to not rule in favor of illegal jury instructions is “for now.”
Princess
Someone in an earlier thread said that if Trump wins, he’ll be sending arms to Russia to defeat Ukraine and I thought, of course he will. Duh. He probably hates Zelinskyy as much as Putin does.
The Israel-Saudi-Russia axis is more complicated. Remember that Russia and Iran are allied and the Saudis and Israel hate Iran. Messy.
teezyskeezy
New Boeing whistleblower just, um, dropped some reveals…can the media apply the correct amount of skepticism to “apparently self-inflected” IF and when it’s necessary to do so this time?
Chris
Yeah, I hate to make everything about us, but it’s definitely concerning to me that basically every major power remotely involved in this Middle East shit show is a regime with an avid desire to see Trump beat Biden, and at least three of them (Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia) have already been fucking around in U.S. politics.
Soprano2
@Brachiator: They love Russia because it still elevates white men above everyone else and embraces the Christian church. They openly discriminate against LGBTQ people and it’s OK to think women are lesser. It’s a GOP paradise.
raven
And the USWNT is the “She Believes Cup” Champs!
mrmoshpotato
@different-church-lady:
May I join you two?
teezyskeezy
@bbleh: Well, i don’t trust, but I *hope.
Martin
@Sister Golden Bear: He should push for her removal anyway. It’s not the job of either the defense or prosecution to keep a judge in their lane. Sure, they need tools for when they stray – everyone’s human – but this feels like something different.
Leto
@Martin: throw this into the mix:
(WaPo)Some Jan. 6 rioters win early release, even before key Supreme Court ruling
The Supreme Court’s pending review of a key federal charge levied against Jan. 6 defendants — and Donald Trump — is already triggering early releases of some high-profile defendants
raven
@Martin: Cannon can dismiss at any time if she wants to, no?
Suzanne
@Martin: Agree. We also just need this to be over already. The stalling tactics make me crazy.
schrodingers_cat
Speaking of 9/11 has anyone here watched Hulu’s the Looming Tower series.
TBone
@Leto: WTAF
Martin
Mama Crumbley sticking with the culture war woke bullshit right to the end. This could be you!
No, I would never have bought my kid a gun.
Jackie
@sdhays:
She’s skating on VERY THIN ICE – and she knows it.
mrmoshpotato
@teezyskeezy:
Riff away! :)
For context, the orange shitstain took out a full page newspaper ad in ’87 trashing the NATO alliance.
Martin
@raven: Sure, but that doesn’t attach jeopardy, so Smith just refiles the case and gets a different judge.
All of her actions so far have been to scuttle the case with jeopardy attached so it would kill the case once and for all. That’s why the jury instruction was such a 3 alarm fire.
teezyskeezy
@mrmoshpotato: Again, nihilistic lack of values and stupidity!
IMHO though, don’t really care to do the “theory of mind” on trump. Don’t care exactly why he does what he does just know that it must be stopped for humanity’s sake.
mrmoshpotato
@Martin:
So glad! So glad these horrible people got sentenced to multiple years.
Jay
@teezyskeezy:
I don’t use the pie filter, I just learn whom the trolls are, who is having a bitch fest or a bad day, and cursor past.
teezyskeezy
@Jay: Well I’m happy to be accused of a “bitchfest” because…yes. It happens.
Leto
@TBone: Just our awesome judicial system, doing its thang. Inspires/instills confidence, right?
wjca
One wonders if they realize that, of course, he won’t stay bought. Gotta either have a revenue stream for him, or blackmail material.
Martin
@Jay: Appreciate that.
wjca
Which is why Iran got included in the Axis of Evil. Oh, wait….
sdhays
@Jay: Same.
wjca
How certain are we that Putin isn’t a commie any more? Just because he doesn’t trumpet it doesn’t prove much. Not all autocrats lack a filter like TIFG.
tokyokie
@NotMax: Besides, to sound the final e, it should have been “caché.” Only that’s French for “hidden.” Alas, news organizations no longer have copy editors, which is why I’m now a nurse.
mrmoshpotato
@wjca: Ah yes.
Chris
@wjca:
He’s probably about as commie as 90% of Soviet politicians, which is to say, “I don’t really understand all this nerd shit, but if it means I get to dress up my resentments, insecurities, and impulses in something pretty that other people feel bound to respect, I’m there for it.”
So basically like Republicans get with the words of the founding fathers and the baby Jesus.
Jay
@wjca:
Putin is a “commie” like Stalin and others, who were not “commies”, more NAZI than “commie”.
Putin is not a “communist” either or 80% of ruZZian’s wouldn’t be living in flooded out shit and piss, garbage overflowing with bridges collapsing,
and then proudly stating to the camera’s, “well, it’s our shit and we will kill to defend it”.
Anne Laurie
I have been given to understand that ‘acquire blackmail material‘ is the essential step to locking down a potential spy. If they don’t come looking to sell info, find (manufacture) something that will make them want to sell. If they come to you, and you don’t already have blackmail material, record them doing something that will make them your captive.
Or did a hundred true-crime spy stories (plus Lauren Hough) all lie to me?
Brachiator
@Soprano2:
I hear people say that, but I still don’t get it. Russia is a second rate country with lots of resources but a terrible economy run by a bunch of bums.
Republican politicians may run over there for a payoff, but otherwise their sexism and religion is not doing much for them.
Jay
@Anne Laurie:
Definition of MICE : noun, acronym
You don’t always need all four in the beginning, sometimes two will do, the others come later.
NotMax
@Jay
Or in the case of Dolt 45, ME.
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Jay
@Brachiator:
the thing is, they do their own research.
Like The Exile crew,…… if you have dollars, pounds or Euro’s, Saint Petersburg and Moscow are clean, well policed, the hookers are cheap and of all ages, and the clubs are off the hook.
They don’t get out into the shit and piss that is the rest of the country.
gwangung
@Brachiator: For white men with money, it’s perfectly livable. AND THAT’S WHAT MATTERS TO THEM.
Bill Arnold
@teezyskeezy:
When killfiles, or on this site, the pie filter, are in play, one must (or can) build a (probably inaccurate) mental model of who is ignoring whom. It’s a bit of extra complexity, but do-able. Personally, I never pie/killfile anyone in blog comment sections.
sdhays
@gwangung: It also helps to not know anything about anything before forming unshakable opinions.
wjca
Exactly. He’s the lind of “commie” they railed against for decades.
Jay
@gwangung:
not really.
https://www.wonkette.com/p/canadian-idiots-who-fled-to-russia
The farm they had in Alberta sold for $3.9 million, Canadian, so not real money in ruZZia.
wjca
Because you’re interpreting “GOP” to mean Republican politicians. But it’s far more accurate to take it as meaning the GOP base.
They love what they are sure they know about Russia. Occasionally one of them will even pack up their family and move there. Being rural, they go for rural areas in Russia. Surprise! Not the paradise they expected conforming to their bigotries to produce.
EDT See the comment and link immediately above.
wenchacha
@Chris: That feels like the whole game.
Jay
Keep in mind that while Jarvanka might be able to cut a deal with Bibi and Mohammed BoneSaw, they have no pull with Hamas or Iran.
dirge
It’ll kick off when they realize they’re never getting their collateral back from Tish James. There will be no spoils to fight over, nothing of value to motivate negotiation, just a desperate need to save face by making examples. Everybody better keep away from windows.
Chris
@Jay:
No, but Russia does.
sdhays
@Jay: True, although both probably see Trump as better for their interests in that he would end the US as a super power by destroying its alliances and wallowing in corruption.
Just like Netanyahu is their favorite Israeli Prime Minister.
David 🏀Caitlin Clark🏀 Koch
that’s a lot of burial plots 🪦
Jay
@Chris:
ruZZia isn’t going to toss Hezboallah, Hamas, the Houthi’s, Assad, Iraq, under the bus for TFIG, and I would argue that Iran has more “pull” with ruZZia than ruZZia has with Iran.
Iran traded drones and missiles, for ruble, tech and fighter jets, and the fighter jets will arrive in 2035, longer if Ukraine* keeps shooting the ruZZian owned ones down.
India is cancelling a bunch of weapons contracts with ruZZia, because ruZZia is pulling export weapons off the line, and rather than sending them to customers, is sending them to the SMO.
*and ruZZian “air defense”.
Jay
@sdhays:
For Iran, while they might want the US defeated and isolationist, they also realize that slips the leash on Israel and Sawdi Arabia.
Brachiator
@wjca:
RE: I hear people say that, but I still don’t get it.
The link about idiots who move to Russia was very illuminating. But it is a side issue. I don’t give a shit about the GOP base, except to the extent that I worry about the idiots who vote for Trump.
But the Republican politicians who take Putin’s money and kiss his ass and oppose Democrats are a problem. And I don’t see many of these asswipes moving to Moscow any time soon.
Jay
@Brachiator:
they will never move to Moscow, they want to move Moscow here.
emjayay
@NotMax:
cachet
/pet peeve
I kind of thought that was wrong. I’ll add it to my own grammar police pet peeve list.
Top of the other pet peeve list: The horrible WordPress or whatever this is blog format.
emjayay
@teezyskeezy:
Oh great, you have called on my inner grammar police.
it’s = it is
the possessive of it is like theirs or yours: no apostrophe
its
bjacques
Considering November is still seven months away with plenty more carnage on the way, Netanyahu and his fellow death-eaters Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are deeply hated by most Israelis, and Gantz wants to hold elections in September, I see a strong possibility of Trump’s October Surprise blowing up (perhaps literally) in his an Jarvanka’s faces. They’re amateurs. And MBS, though no amateur, could also catch some of that blowback.
Another Scott
I worked with a guy from Montana. Brilliant, friendly, always helpful and encouraging. And never a BSer.
ICYMI, Doktor Zoom at Wonkette discusses Tester’s opponent’s problems with the truth.
Cheers,
Scott.
Sister Golden Bear
@Martin: I agree Judge Cannon should be removed from the case for her quite transparent attempts to tank the case. But the consensus of Online Lawyers is that she’s so far managed to stay just inside the line, and that if you come at the queen you’d best not miss.
I’m sure Jack Smith is strategizing when and how to do so. E.g. one course of action would be filing a request to force her to make a decision on the jury instructions now and if she refuses, go back to the Appeals court.
bjacques
@Jay: I used to read the Exile online just before they wore out their welcome in Putin’s Russia. As I recall, they regularly mocked Russians living out in the sticks and found vodka-fueled axe murders there especially amusing.
Mai Naem mobile
Nobody’s mentioned Bobby Kennedy Jr. I know he’s not Teddy Kennedy but Kennedy weakened Carter like Bobby Kennedy Jr is trying with Biden. Also gas prices. Gas has gone up around 50 cents/gallon around here.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@wjca: I personally believe that, other than maybe Lenin, the only General Secretary the Soviets had who was a true-believer Communist was Gorbachev. He was actually trying to get the system to work, with glasnost and perestroika, but he didn’t realize until it was far too late that authoritarianism was the only thing keeping the Soviet Union from completely falling apart.
Putin doesn’t pretend to be a Communist any more. He’s an authoritarian and an oligarch and a kleptocrat, which practically makes him a 21st-century Republican.
dirge
Yeah, I really must advise against attempting that. At best, it’s frustrating and futile. At worst, you’ll experience a moment of horrified clarity where you actually comprehend what’s going on in his head, and then have to live with that warped knowledge festering in the back of your mind for the rest of your life.
dirge
There haven’t been any communists in Russia since Stalin consolidated power. Lenin really tried, for better or mostly for worse. Nobody since has cared about communism as anything other than a thin veneer over their kleptocratic cult of personality.
dirge
Sure, but it’s absolutely fabulous if you’re one of the bums who runs it. That’s the model that appeals to Republicans.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@dirge: Well, Gorbachev tried. Glasnost and perestroika were attempts to make the Soviet system work, but it turned out as effectively as an attempt to improve the seaworthiness of a canoe made entirely of cheese.
wjca
Third rate might be closer to accurate.
Shalimar
Finally read the story about The Rock not endorsing Biden this time because he supposedly doesn’t want to cause division in our country. He’s lying, he knows he alienated a lot of MAGA wrestling fans who then didn’t see his movies and this has hurt his marketablility, but whatever. He doesn’t have to get involved in politics if he doesn’t want to.
What I found out from the article, though, is that he made this statement on Fox, appearing on the Will Cain show. Cain is a fascist piece of shit, one of the worst people on Fox, and i do not forgive anyone who appears on his show. Fuck Dwayne Johnson. Done with his movies.
sab
OT The next solar eclipse in the contiguous US states won’t be for 20 years. Hopefully I will miss it, although my dad will probably turn 100 this summer. My oldest sister might live that long but the rest of us have suboptimal tickers. But my grandchildren should be able to see it. The youngest was pissed that she had to drop whatever she was doing to go out in the yard and use stupid bad glasses to stare at the sun or moon or whatever.
dirge
Ok, fair.
I do find it interesting that if we credit Lenin and Gorbachev as the two who really tried to make communism work, they also happen to be the two with signature policies backing off of doctrinaire communism. Lenin’s New Economic Policy was strangled in the crib following his death. Then, as you say, there’s Gorbachev’s aborted Glasnost and perestroika. I feel like there’s a great insight about Russia just on the tip of my tongue, but I can’t quite get to it through the layers of cognac.
Jay
@dirge:
товарищ, тебе бы вольку пить
JustRuss
Russia is a plutocracy with a small very wealthy elite and a mostly poor and miserable everyone else. This is literally the Republican platform. They don’t want to move to Russia, they want the US to become Russia. With a competent military.
Jay
@JustRuss:
I would dispute that last part.
Compliant maybe.
dirge
@Jay:
All my водку went into batter for fish tacos. Does wonders.
TeezySkeezy
@emjayay: I know, I was a careless little boy and its my birthday.
It is not actually my birthday and I made the above *opposite* grammatical infraction on purpose. I will not argue that that is not trolling, lol.
Jay
@dirge:
I prefer пиво,
BTW, if you take the cheap водка and run it through a Brita filter, nobody can tell it from the expensive водка.
It’s a ruZZian mob trick.
NotMax
Once in a while I speed view those videos made on the inside of Moscow shopping malls. Watched one filmed about a week ago only this evening.
To this day, shops with row upon row of iPhones from Apple and Android phones from Samsung. Not knock-offs, the genuine articles. Also branded Levi’s, Lacoste, Nike, Adidas and Puma clothing, complete with their logo signage either right out front or inside.
By Grabthar’s hammer, why are those companies continuing doing business there?
Jay
@NotMax:
Both PepsiCo and Coca Cola, and a bunch of other Corps, (Burger King) said they would quit,…………
and didn’t.
dirge
Sure, I go about half and half. The elevated alcohol level gets you more rapid evaporation when cooking, and also inhibits gluten formation, both promoting a crispier result. Also recommend substituting some potato starch and/or rice flour for wheat flour.
I despise vodka that tastes like nothing. I get that it’s the theoretical ideal, but as a practical matter spirits should retain some character of their ingredients. Otherwise, why not just dilute everclear to the desired strength.
NotMax
@dirge
Because water is what fish F*ck in.
//
Jay
@NotMax:
and piss and shit,
besides, everybody knows that Everclear is supposed to be set on fire, then shot.
dirge
@NotMax:
Thanks for closing the loop on a discussion that briefly seemed to be off on a tangent.
”Mandrake, have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?”
dirge
Us fancy folk call that “goût de terroirs.”
eclare
@emjayay:
I will say the grammar police on my phone put apostrophes in everywhere, and I don’t know how to turn them off. Seems like the default should be to leave them out.
Barry
@Martin: “USSC is playing a seriously dangerous game here.”
IMHO, they will worry about this the *second* time that Trump openly flouts a decision.
AM in NC
@Shalimar: Yeah, really disappointing. How much money is enough Dwayne? Apparently not whatever amount you have, if you feel the need to go on FOX and kowtow to the fascists to come back to your movies.
Blew up any goodwill he had generated with me.
trnc
Had to go into a book. Couldn’t possibly put that relevant info on the news when there are side profits to be made.
trnc
If you know of an example where they have put literally any principle over money, I’d love to see it.
trnc
@Leto:
Important context – they’re being released on appeal. If the SC rules that obstruction is not limited to documents, those defendants have to go back and serve the rest of their prison term.
wjca
@trnc:
Thank you for this. I was having trouble connecting the dots.