Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

America is going up in flames. The NYTimes fawns over MAGA celebrities. No longer a real newspaper.

How any woman could possibly vote for this smug smarmy piece of misogynistic crap is beyond understanding.

There are a lot more evil idiots than evil geniuses.

If you are still in the gop, you are either an extremist yourself, or in bed with those who are.

Consistently wrong since 2002

The real work of an opposition party is to oppose.

T R E 4 5 O N

I have other things to bitch about but those will have to wait.

Compromise? There is no middle ground between a firefighter and an arsonist.

Our messy unity will be our strength.

Republicans do not trust women.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

He really is that stupid.

Yeah, with this crowd one never knows.

There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

Relentless negativity is not a sign that you are more realistic.

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

You come for women, you’re gonna get your ass kicked.

This must be what justice looks like, not vengeful, just peaceful exuberance.

Lick the third rail, it tastes like chocolate!

Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

Books are my comfort food!

The unpunished coup was a training exercise.

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h/t for the photo Subaru Dianne

I’m sure Hillary Clinton grieves for our country and the terrible turn it took in 2015, and for the road we have been on since.  How could she not?  At the same time, she is tough enough and strong enough to have embodied the expression that living well is the best revenge.

So I’d say that a little bit of gloating is now in order!

I can’t typically look at photos of the Dumpster, and you have probably noticed that I tend to not post photos of the disgusting creature, but this one doesn’t bother me!  Hope you feel the same.

He is the monster who stalked her on the debate stage, so it brings me great pleasure to see him depicted as the monster he is.  Hoping he will literally be powerless soon.  He is melting like the wicked witch, I think, just more slowly.

Open thread,

 

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  2. 2.

    karen gail

    The stalking of Hillary on stage said everything about the kind of “man” he is; when I mentioned to a friend that he was in full sexual predator form for all to see she told me that I was imagining things that weren’t there. After watching that I couldn’t understand how any woman could ever vote for him; he is the sleazy guy everyone knows to avoid.

  3. 3.

    Raoul Paste

    I would propose a one year prison.sentence,  reduced to two months for good behavior, with the expectation that there would be no good behavior

  4. 4.

    WaterGirl

    @karen gail: It’s absolutely SHAMEFUL that the debate moderators allowed Trump to do that.  SHAMEFUL.  Whatever network that was should never be allowed to host a debate again.

  6. 6.

    m.j.

    Maybe it’s already been pointed out, but the back of Trump’s head looks like a horse’s ass, that is,  a horse’s pink ass.

  9. 9.

    JaySinWA

    Here’s a take from Tom Scocca on the conviction deniers pre and post conviction.

    Because the politics of the indictment were so uncomfortable, emotional logic demanded that there must also have been something wrong with it legally. Instantly, everyone was an expert on the details of how the New York criminal code applied to business activity.

    More at the link:

    https://defector.com/the-doubts-were-not-reasonable

    You don’t have to register or subscribe to read it, just x out the bleg at the beginning. Not that you shouldn’t register, but you don’t have to.

  13. 13.

    dmsilev

    I feel sorry for whichever poor probation officer draws the short straw and has to interview Trump to generate the mandated report on his mental health, state of mind, and level of remorse. I mean, the results are pretty much already known, but that officer is still going to have to sit through the interview.

  16. 16.

    trollhattan

    @dmsilev: Gonna be an interesting gig. Do you put it on your resume?

    OTOH they have heard it all, from every kind of creep and serial liar. My career PD friends have stories for weeks re. the folks they have represented in court. PO deals with the same crew from a different perspective.

  17. 17.

    dmsilev

    So, what are the possibilities for sentencing? Fines, probation, house arrest, or prison? I think that’s the gamut. Seems unlikely that the judge will just impose fines; there’s a mandatory cap of $5k per offense, and we’ve already seen that Trump isn’t deterred by fines until they soar into the hundreds of millions of dollars range. Also, his complete lack of any sense of remorse or responsibility and his repeated acts of contempt of court will weigh against slap-on-the-wrist punishments.  I’ll guess house arrest, in New York (so, Trump Tower). It’s not prison, but it’ll not be fun for him. No golf. No adulation from his cultists at Mar-a-Lago. No cultist rallies. Etc.

  18. 18.

    dmsilev

    @trollhattan: Seems like the sort of interview that you retell to your work colleagues over drinks at the local bar.

    I do wonder, though, what level of confidentiality there is. The final report I assume is a legal document that becomes public, but what about a transcript or video of the interview itself? Is that something we might eventually get to see or read, or is it something that is never released?

  19. 19.

    Ken

    @dmsilev: Yes, it will be a truly horrible job, so in all likelihood will get assigned to a woman. A Black woman. A Black woman who immigrated from Jamaica as a child and still has a trace of accent.

    The upside is that the psychological profile will just leap into sharp focus.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    @Ken:

     A Black woman who immigrated from Jamaica as a child and still has a trace of accent.

     
    Named Kamala.

  21. 21.

    Greebe

    I would propose several months house arrest at Mara Lago with an ankle bracket slightly modified to fit his neck. And, since there  would be ample room after Trump and the SS had chosen their rooms, the rest of the space could be filled with more convicted felons.

  22. 22.

    Harrison Wesley

    Melting like the wicked witch?  Wherever the puddle of orange sludge winds up will have to be designated as a Superfund site.

  25. 25.

    JoyceH

    Something that I just noticed. A news article was illustrated with the photo of Trump coming out of the courtroom after the verdict – and he looked exactly the same as in that photo where he’s coming out of the room where he had that one on one talk with Putin with no other US people in the room. Same hanging head, same dazed miserable expression, exactly. Make of that what you will…

  26. 26.

    dmsilev

    @Greebe: No, it has to be in New York. Would you trust Florida corrections officials to actually enforce house arrest on him?

  27. 27.

    Ishiyama

    It occurs to me that, if Trump is sufficiently frightened about going to prison (if not in the New York case, in one of the subsequent ones), he might take the third option, and spill the beans on all the accomplices that he has had in all the crimes he has committed – like a mob enforcer finally ratting out everyone, to save his own ass. If he doesn’t win the White House, he had better stay away from windows.

  29. 29.

    TBone

    @trollhattan: try sitting in a law office all by yourself with a very large, very pissed off man who has been charged with murder, both of you waiting on your boss, the attorney, who is late for his appointment with the accused.

    That has happened to me twice.

  31. 31.

    Steeplejack

    @dmsilev:

    I feel sorry for whichever poor probation officer draws the short straw and has to interview Trump [. . .].

    I dunno: that could be a delightful opportunity for some straight-faced passive-aggressive torture of the criminal felon former guy.

    “Do you feel any remorse at being publicly revealed as a 34-time loser?”

    “Would you prefer an ankle monitor to be on your left leg or right leg?”

  32. 32.

    WaterGirl

    @trollhattan: That is beyond awesome!  (from Digby)

    Nope:

    1. Argentina
    2. Australia
    3. Canada
    4. China
    5. Cuba
    6. India
    7. Iran
    8. Israel
    9. Japan
    10. Kenya
    11. Macau
    12. New Zealand
    13. South Africa
    14. Taiwan
    15. United Kingdom
    16. United States

    Nope if they check:

    1. Brazil
    2. Cambodia
    3. Chile
    4. Dominican Republic
    5. Egypt
    6. Ethiopia
    7. Hong Kong
    8. Indonesia
    9. Ireland
    10. Malaysia
    11. Mexico
    12. Morocco
    13. Nepal
    14. Peru
    15. Philippines
    16. Singapore
    17. South Korea
    18. Tanzania
    19. Tunisia
    20. Turkey
    21. Ukraine
    22. United Arab Emirates
  33. 33.

    TBone

    @Steeplejack: I saw Andrew Weissman practically giggling when going over the info Dotard must divulge.  Especially when the words “his financial status” came up 😆

  34. 34.

    WaterGirl

    @WereBear: This like the 3rd time in two days that I haven’t been clear.  I need to pay more attention.

    I knew that he ditched the commission. What I was wondering if the travesty with Trump stalking Clinton was one of the stated reasons for ditching them.

    Thanks for the link.  Looks like Trump bringing Covid to the debate was listed, but not Trump’s abusive stalking behavior.  What a fucking pig that man is.  I am mad all over again at what he did on that stage.

  36. 36.

    TBone

    @dmsilev: according to the law talkers I saw, the pre-sentencing memo is confidential and will not see the light of day unless leaked.

  37. 37.

    Ken

    @TBone: Does Trump get to see the pre-sentencing memo? If so there’s a fair chance he’ll completely mis-read it and release it himself.  He would view “defiant and unrepentant — insists he’s innocent and the trial was rigged — vows revenge on the judge and jury” as good things.

  38. 38.

    ArchTeryx

    @WaterGirl: Yeah. That was grossly unacceptable bordering on open assault on camera. McCain’s zombie routine toward Obama (remember that bit?) was one thing. Classless, but nonthreatening. Openly stalking and threatening to assault an opponent on camera should have been grounds for banning him from all further debates. But it wasn’t. All they cared about were clicks and views.

    Good for Biden for firing their asses and telling them to point their cameras at an empty stage. They do that for Trump anyway, so may as well make it official who they are in the tank for.

  39. 39.

    oldgold

    Assume for a moment that Biden wins in November.

    Then, it appears the DC, Florida and Georgia case will be looming in Trump’s future.

    Trump will be desperate. MAGA could be dangerous.

    Would anyone favor a St. Helena type solution to rid us of this meddlesome MAGA miscreant?

  40. 40.

    TBone

    @Ken: I doubt that he’ll ever get his tiny little hands on it, but that’s the most likely scenario if he does 😆

    I wonder if a FOIA request by a Congress member would work.  We deserve to know what’s in the memo before the election!

    Now I wonder what mine says 😂 all I ever saw were the affidavits typed up by the cops and they were 🙄 let’s just say inaccurate.

  42. 42.

    ArchTeryx

    @oldgold: Hopefully he’ll do it to himself. He’s probably on the edge of a public meltdown, a stroke, or a heart attack anyway with his diet. Let him rid us of himself by his own means. Then deal with the next fascist that pops up to try and lead his cult. I’m rooting for injuries while they all go at each other for the position of Leader of MAGA.

  44. 44.

    dmsilev

    @oldgold:

    Would anyone favor a St. Helena type solution to rid us of this meddlesome MAGA miscreant?

    Gitmo is available….

    If you insist on distance from the US mainland, I’m sure something could be built at McMurdo Sound.

  46. 46.

    TBone

    @ArchTeryx: I watched his presser after the verdict.  He’s already had a stroke and is suffering that speech problem associated with severe dementia.  He’s truly fucked.

    Digby’s site has good video roundup of it.

    https://digbysblog.net/2024/05/31/for-the-record/

    But the whole context of the presser, all his unsuccessful attempts to start and finish a coherent thought put together as rambling word salad was very striking .

  47. 47.

    ArchTeryx

    @TBone: Not until he’s defeated in the election. If he’s defeated, then I doubt he’ll have much juice left to keep his cult in line. If he’s not, he’ll get to hand-pick his successor and the new fascist starts in a position of power, even if he kicks the bucket. I want to see him die a reviled, pariah of a pauper, just like many mob bosses have. TCFG deserves no less

    If the Republicans could prop up an Alzheimer’s-riddled Reagan, they can prop up Trump. But that only lasts so long. Weekend at Bernies was a comedy, not reality.

  49. 49.

    smith

    I hope people in Bragg’s office are keeping close track of what the Felon is saying about the jury. He’s still under a gag order, and it’s clear the members of the jury are under serious threat. If he is making public attacks on them I hope this would be taken into account in determining his sentence.

  51. 51.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Another Scott:

    @WaterGirl:

    That was the debate that took place just days after the “Access Hollywood” tape was released. About an hour or so before the debate started, TCFFG held a news conference featuring four or five women who had been linked (plausibly or not) with Bill Clinton. Juanita Broaddrick and all. Then during the debate itself the women were seated in the front row so that HRC couldn’t escape their gaze. Psyops with a hey nonny nonny.

    I’m going to give Anderson Cooper a  little benefit of the doubt and suggest he may just have been stunned and disbelieving (as I certainly was, watching at home) — or, given the high drama CLICKS AND EYEBALLS REVENUE FOR THE NETWORKS of the situation, it’s quite possible that he and Martha Raddatz were getting firm instructions in their earpieces from the producers: “Don’t say one word about the stalking!!”

  52. 52.

    TBone

    @ArchTeryx: if he backs out of the debates, he’s not gonna recover.  And if he manages to get to the debates, I expect some serious fuckups on his part. Did you watch any of his after-verdict presser?

    I agree with your comment otherwise.

  54. 54.

    Another Scott

    @dmsilev:

    BusinessInsider.com – Trump must ‘immediately’ schedule a pre-sentence interview with NYC probation. Playing hooky may add to his legal woes.:

    Moments after those 34 “guilties” rolled in on Thursday — making him the first former president convicted of a felony — Donald Trump was handed two copies of a standard New York City Department of Probation form.

    Titled “Court Order for Investigation and Report,” it would have been quickly filled out by the judge’s clerk with Trump’s name, address, and the trial results, according to attorneys and court staff familiar with such documents.

    And according to a copy of the standard form obtained by Business Insider, the bottom would read in all capital letters, “The defendant/respondent is instructed to report immediately to the department of probation” on the courthouse’s 10th floor.

    A blank NYC probation form of the kind Donald Trump received after his conviction in the hush-money trial.
    A blank NYC probation form of the kind Donald Trump received after his conviction in the hush-money trial. Business Insider
    There, in a time-worn office just down the hall from the NYPD’s Sex Offender Monitoring Unit, newly-minted criminals schedule and then sit for what’s known as a “pre-sentence investigation.”

    Conducted by a city probation officer, these brief interviews are then memorialized in a “pre-sentencing report” — also known as a “probation report” — that both sides and the judge see shortly before the sentencing.

    Pre-sentencing reports include input from prosecutors and make a recommendation to the judge for what punishment — including jail, probation, fines, and community service — would be appropriate.

    […]

    Trump’s lawyers can simply call probation on the phone to schedule the interview, said Diana Florence, who served for 30 years as a white-collar crime prosecutor in the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office.

    “I think a privilege of being a former president is that you can get any appointment you want,” said Florence, now in private practice.

    But the interview itself cannot be done over the phone, said Florence and other attorneys who spoke to BI. “One thousand percent, it has to happen in person, just like the trial and sentencing has to be done in person,” she said.

    Unless it doesn’t happen at all.

    “I’ve had many clients just refuse to be interviewed,” said veteran Manhattan defense lawyer Ron Kuby.

    Kuby was one of two attorneys who noted to BI that the state criminal procedure law requires the judge to order a pre-sentencing report, but does not require that the defendant participate in the process.

    “Most first-time, white-collar criminals are so utterly shocked by their conviction and so completely terrified as to what comes next, that they will crawl to the probation offices and begin the process of begging for mercy,” joked Kuby.

    But Trump won’t do a penitent probation interview — or any at all, Kuby predicted. “There’s no benefit for him,” he said.

    “If he wants to show remorse, then certainly the probation report is a good place to start doing that,” he added. “But Donald Trump has not shown remorse and insists everybody else are the wrongdoers.”

    Still, by not cooperating, Trump would lose his chance to plead his case for leniency and run the very high risk of angering the judge.

    […]

    I think we can predict how TCFFG wants to play it.

    More at the link.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  55. 55.

    ArchTeryx

    @HumboldtBlue: That was an interesting story. They attacked these women at the root of their identities of the time – the right to wear finery, the only right they had under the rigid Roman system. I wish that Southern women had that much gumption to tell their state legislatures to go suck on it, but too many are too deep in the cult.

  56. 56.

    Bupalos

    I dislike proxy personalization of the idea of revenge on Trump like this. And one of the last people I’m concerned about in terms of being wronged by Trump and Trumpism is Hillary Clinton, who amassed hundreds of millions of dollars over a decade plus playing losing politics for our side. Revenge isn’t a useful concept here at all, but to the extent I want it, I want it on behalf of myself, my kids, the environment, and the entire political system that has been so destabilized by the rise of the authoritarian right.

  59. 59.

    ArchTeryx

    @Bupalos: Really, in the end,  it’s not dissimilar to how I got my revenge on the scumbags who were my last employer. I did absolutely nothing at all – except get a new job, get promoted out of my probation, and get paid 3x the salary the old job paid me. My vengeance was leaving, and leaving them stuck with people they couldn’t fire and couldn’t get to work. Hillary’s vengeance will be identical. She may not get the Presidency but she’ll be around when Trump is gone, and that’s fine by me.

  61. 61.

    TBone

    @Bupalos: he tried to steal my votes for Hillary AND Biden.  He allowed COVID to ravage our citizenry.  He staged a fucking violent coup.  I want JUSTICE as do we all.  Don’t confuse that with revenge, please.

  64. 64.

    Another Scott

    @SiubhanDuinne: Yeah, I assume the moderators were told to read the questions, maybe remind them about the clock, and to silence the audience.

    And that’s it.  They were figureheads sent there to look good for their networks.

    Because nobody thought that one of the participants would spend time stalking and getting in the personal space of the other.

    :-/

    [eta:] To try to be clearer  – by “they let him get away with it” I mostly mean the way the “debate” was structured.  If you’re going to have “moderators” then give them the power to moderate and make sure they use it.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  66. 66.

    trollhattan

    Suppose the followup question re. this is “and where do they live?” Ten percent ain’t peanuts.

    June 1, 2024 at 1:25 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard

    A new Reuters/Ipsos poll finds 10% of Republican registered voters say they are less likely to vote for Donald Trump following his felony conviction for falsifying business records to cover up a hush money payment to a porn star.

    Also important: “Among independent registered voters, 25% said Trump’s conviction made them less likely to support him in November, compared to 18% who said they were more likely and 56% who said the conviction would have no impact on their decision.”

  67. 67.

    West of the Rockies

    I think Trump’s cultural and political demise will be like Hemingway’s description of bankruptcy:  gradually then suddenly. 

    I think we’re closer to suddenly than we can quite have the confidence to perceive.  I sure hope so.

  70. 70.

    Bupalos

    @TBone: Yeah I’m not into the revenge framing of this post at all, and not really interested in revenge. Just to the extent that I do feel a kind of revenge vibe, it isn’t on behalf of Hillary Clinton, and I find that idea a little odd.

    An analogy for me would be like me watching my Guardians beat the Yankees in 2022 and shouting “Keith Hernandez says hello, you bums!”

    Hernandez being an overpaid, underperforming player that was supposed to help us beat them in 2017, but struck out constantly.

  75. 75.

    p.a.

    @oldgold: … Would anyone favor a St. Helena type solution to rid us of this meddlesome MAGA miscreant?

     

     

    I would favor a Mt. St. Helens if it’s active again.

     

    ETA: trollhattan beat me to it.

  76. 76.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I’m going to give Anderson Cooper a little benefit of the doubt and suggest he may just have been stunned and disbelieving (as I certainly was, watching at home) — or, given the high drama CLICKS AND EYEBALLS REVENUE FOR THE NETWORKS of the situation, it’s quite possible that he and Martha Raddatz were getting firm instructions in their earpieces from the producers: “Don’t say one word about the stalking!!”

    Either scenario is bad. I’ve moderated a lot of presentations with potentially hostile speakers, panelists, and audiences. I understood my responsibility for stepping in any time even a hint of aggression targeted at an individual started. It’s part of the job. Whether those two squishes understood that, or whether they knew it but chose cowardice, is immaterial.

  77. 77.

    MomSense

    I love that meme at top.  Finally have internet – problem was the line on the street not my set up.

    I have a feeling trump will not show up to debate.

  80. 80.

    Melancholy Jaques

    @Another Scott:

    It was a product of the political media’s “Who knows what Trump will do next? Isn’t he something?” coverage combined with their “Nobody likes Hillary” coverage.

  81. 81.

    wjca

    @dmsilev: If you insist on distance from the US mainland, I’m sure something could be built at McMurdo Sound.

    I’m still fond of Johnston Island.

  82. 82.

    oldgold

    Yesterday morning I had a hearing in a neighboring county.  Driving home in the midafternoon, I did something I had not done for years.  I listened to daytime AM radio.  The myriad spawn of Limbaugh were in full throated rage.  What a dispiriting, disgraceful wasteland of craziness, ignorance and cynicism it is – up and down the dial.

    We wonder where MAGA get their warped view of reality.  I think AM radio plays a significant role.

    Even the damn advertisers are in on it.  I heard a number of adds that began something like this – “In these difficult economic times we offer you ….”

    It is really awful.

  83. 83.

    Nukular Biskits

    Here in MS, we have a rightwing propaganda network called “SuperTalk” which can counted upon by state officials to reliably push “conservative” narratives.  This is bad enough but SuperTalk receives state taxpayer funding and is also implicated in the TANF scandal that redirected federal assistance funds meant to help poor folks to, among other things, building a new volleyball stadium opening on University of Southern Mississippi’s campus.

    Their morning flagship show host, one Paul Gallo (who was paid with some of those TANF funds to talk up all the wonderful things a politically-connected “non-profit” <cough, cough> was going to do to help people, has been melting down the past couple of days on Twitter about the Trump indictments.

    He is arguably MS’s #1 Trump fanboi.

  84. 84.

    Nukular Biskits

    @oldgold:

    We wonder where MAGA get their warped view of reality. I think AM radio plays a significant role.

    This is partly (mostly? totally?) why House and Senate Republicans were frothing at the mouth about car makers not offering AM radio in vehicles and demanding legislation to mandate it.

  85. 85.

    Baud

    A little pick me up for Tony Jay, via Reddit

    Tories face being reduced to 66 seats, new poll suggests
    First MRP analysis of the campaign puts the Conservatives on course for their worst electoral performance ever

  86. 86.

    p.a.

    @SiubhanDuinne: I think a lot of the moderator issues, or questioner issues at for example Congressional hearings, stem from having a loosely thought-out plot line with a checklist of questions the individual wants to get to.  Sometimes it seems they don’t listen to the answers.  They let bullshit, buffoonery, etc go by to get to the next “plot point” instead of following up.  A lot of really evil/stupid stuff gets passed by not necessarily because of ill intent, but because they just really don’t listen.  (Or are to effing stupid to make connections and follow up.)

  89. 89.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    @Nukular Biskits: AND why if the fairness doctrine had been brought back we could have shut down a significant source of right wing propaganda. It’s been feeding blue collar people especially poison for years.

  92. 92.

    Nukular Biskits

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:

    If there is one thing I would like to see us bring back from the dead, it would be the Fairness Doctrine.

    I get so pissed off that I have a statewide network here that (partly funded by my tax dollars) presents such a slanted view of issues, even to the point of outright lying about them, with absolutely no opportunity for real-time or equal time rebuttal.

  94. 94.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Baud:

    Nice.

    I think it’s mildly interesting/kinda fun that the Brits are having their election on our Independence Day (to celebrate getting rid of the monarchy), and we’re having ours on their Guy Fawkes Day (to celebrate the safe outcome for the monarchy). Nice and symmetrical.

  95. 95.

    cain

    @Bupalos:

    I hear you, I think in this case, the discussion is more about the fact given that she had the right skillset they  picked this freak of a man over her – for nothing more than misogyny and suffered a multitude of threatening behavior. It’s more about how we treat women than anything. The revenge is more about Trump getting his comeuppance while Hillary having to do nothing. “Lock her up” -> “He’s the one who is the felon”

  98. 98.

    Sure Lurkalot

    What’s up with Trump’s bloviating about immigrants speaking languages few people have ever heard of before? Seems this is a rather new one of his stock go-to’s that he peppers in to his rants. Next will it be illegals invading America from countries that never existed before? People will believe any and all such fucking nonsense that burps from his lips.

  99. 99.

    oldgold

    @kalakal:  I think given Trump’s insulting Greenland lunacy, the Danes would be happy to lease a small island off the coast of Greenland to house Don Feleone in permanent political exile.

  100. 100.

    mrmoshpotato

    @dmsilev:

    I really wish she had whipped out a can of pepper spray and let him have a full dose.

    Bear spray would’ve been better.

  105. 105.

    Another Scott

    @Sure Lurkalot: I ass-u-me that he saw a headline about the NYC Department of Education serving students and parents who speak 180 different languages. It’s a way to rile up the “nativist” base that love him so.

    Everybody should speak and write ‘merkan, just like Moses, Jesus, and Santa Claus did, amirite??!

    Grr…,
    Scott.

  106. 106.

    Yutsano

    @Another Scott: Trump’s lawyers can simply call probation on the phone to schedule the interview, said Diana Florence, who served for 30 years as a white-collar crime prosecutor in the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office.

    LAO is that you?

  107. 107.

    The Utter Dregs

    @wjca: ​
     

    Given the meme up top and TCFG’s fascination with Hannibal Lecter, I’d suggest Plum Island.

  108. 108.

    The Lodger

    @dmsilev: If there is a national association of parole and probation officers, Biden should address them before the election. He can point out that his opponent is talking to only one of them.

  110. 110.

    Ishiyama

    We can predict how quickly the current Supreme Court would strike down the Fairness Doctrine as “compelled speech”. That horse left the barn long ago. Use of interstate means of communication to incite violence is where we are at now, and have been since Dr. Tiller’s murder, if not before.

  111. 111.

    wjca

    @HumboldtBlue: I worked on Johnston Island for three years, it was idyllic.

    Ah, but was it idyllic in a way TCFG would appreciate? I’d bet not.  But having it idyllic for the Secret Service guys is a plus.

  113. 113.

    SFAW

    @dmsilev: ​
     

    I really wish she had whipped out a can of pepper spray and let him have a full dose.

    I have long maintained that the best thing Hillary could have done would have been to turn around, look at TCFFG, and say something like “If you don’t back TF off, asshole, I’m going to kick you so hard, you’ll have to join the Castrati Choir. And my aim is good enough to do that, Needle Dick.”
    Yeah, the Pearl Clutchers Brigade would have fainted etc., etc., but within about two weeks, her polling numbers would increase solidly.
    And I KNOW this, because the voices in my head told me so.

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    JCNZ

    Not necessarily bacon fat-related, but if trump had reached into his own wallet (I’m speaking theoretically, of course) and paid Stormy with cash, the pay-off wouldn’t have been criminal? As with Watergate, the cover-up was the crime? Do I have that right?

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    Citizen Alan

    @TBone:  I don’t know about that. I thought him hysterically shouting “NO PUPPET! NO PUPPET! YOU’RE THE PUPPET!!!” would do him in, but no one on the right gave a shit.

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    Citizen Alan

    @SFAW: Nah, she should have turned to him with a look of compassion and said “Are you okay, Donald? Do you need someone to help you find your way to podium?”

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    TooTallTom

    @JCNZ: IANAL, but as I understand it paying hush money out of your own wallet is not a crime.  Having your business pay the hush money, and then calling it legal expenses was the misdemeanor – falsifying business records.  The hush money helped TFCG’s campaign, because it blocked negative publicity.  In effect, that is a contribution to the campaign.  Because the hush money was not reported as a campaign contribution, the misdemeanor is elevated to a felony.  Long story short, the combination of the two crimes together makes it a felony under NY state law.

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    artem1s

    @TooTallTom: ​ 

    In effect, that is a contribution to the campaign.

    He’s cheap and he’s a liar. He told the world that because he was a billionaire that he wouldn’t have to rely on rich ‘insider’ donors to run for President so he wouldn’t owe anyone and he’d be able to clean out the swamp. Remember that? The GOPer dumbasses who were brainwashed into believing anything Karl Rove told them to believe (keep the government out of my medicare) ate it up and the MAGAt cult was born. He spent the next 7-8 years misusing campaign donations and position as POTUS for his own gain – to dodge taxes, to pay his lawyers, to enrich himself by charging the secret service for using his f**king golf carts, and on and on and on. He never turned over his tax records for a reason. He may not go to jail for these convictions, but this trial is the tip of the iceberg of misappropriation of campaign funds and using them for tax evasion. He’ll always betray himself with his own worser angels. All he had to do was use his own money and not claimed it was business expense and it would have been perfectly legal.
    He’s cheap and a liar.

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