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You are here: Home / Supreme Court / Supreme Court Corruption / Republican Supreme Court Justices View Themselves as Above the Law

Republican Supreme Court Justices View Themselves as Above the Law

by WaterGirl|  June 9, 20241:05 pm| 127 Comments

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The Republican Supreme Court justices view themselves as above the law.  Do they see themselves as Kings?  Rulers?  Not-so-Benevolent Dictators?  I’m not sure what to call it, but we have got to turn this around.

How did we get to the place where the Supreme Court can just make shit up and most of the legal world just shrugs and says “oh, well”?

Two things notable: one, SCOTUS has become “an institution I barely recognized,” and two, doctrines like “major questions” were “invented to produce the court’s preferred outcome,” not based in Constitution. Agreed. Indeed, invented in billionaire-funded doctrine factories. https://t.co/LqU0qt8hzU

— Sheldon Whitehouse (@SenWhitehouse) June 7, 2024

This is finally getting enough play, I think, to possibly make a difference.  Beyond ProPublica, beyond Sheldon Whitehouse, beyond just a few voices shouting into the wind.

David Tatel, a retired federal judge, has delivered an unusually stark warning about the Supreme Court and the future of the planet and democracy. https://t.co/oaV3fHoRdt

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) June 7, 2024

If we win the fight in November, and I am quite hopeful that we will keep the White House and take back the House, then I think the table is being set for us to be able to return the highest court of the land to the rule of law.  It will take some time, but I believe the momentum is there.  It’s time for the coat hanger faction of the court to experience some consequences.

I am hopeful, but less confident, that we will take / keep the Senate. We have a ton of work to do between now and November, and I hope to be able to announce our upcoming strategic fundraising effort sometime time this week.

Totally unrelated to the Supreme Court, but this is a damn good ad.

Open thread.

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    1. 1.

      Ishiyama

      June 9, 2024 at 1:07 pm

      “The Law is the true embodiment of everything that’s excellent; it has no kind of fault or flaw, and I, me Lords, embody the Law.”

      Reply
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      Villago Delenda Est

      June 9, 2024 at 1:27 pm

      The Federalist Society must be annihilated.  It’s a terrorist organization aimed at the Constitution of the United States.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      Omnes Omnibus

      June 9, 2024 at 1:28 pm

      How did we get to the place where the Supreme Court can just make shit up and most of the legal world just shrugs and says “oh, well”?

      Who is saying “oh well?” I am willing to bet a shit ton of the people bringing up the Supreme Court as an issue every presidential election were liberal lawyers.

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    4. 4.

      cmorenc

      June 9, 2024 at 1:34 pm

      In the 1930s, the predominant view of the Ameican people (more particularly, the electorate) leaned heavy toward isolationism and obliviousness of the rising menace of fascist authoritarianism of Hitler/Germany and Stalin/Russia.  There were substantial factions actually admiring the kind of order Hitler and especially Stalin seemingly brought to their societies out of the ashes of first World War.  Fortunately, we had FDR as President during most of the 1930s popularly implementing many foundational progressive institutions and policies against the stiff headwind of a SCOTUS in the 1930s that was even more sharply conservative than the current six RW SCOTUS justices.  OTOH we had FDR turning back a boatload of Jewish refugees from Germany as late as 1939, for frankly craven political reasons.

      The “greatest generation” whose willing sacrifice and commitment to the greater interests of preserving democratic free societies has been so vividly, viscerally portrayed in “Masters of the Air”, “Band of Brothers” and “The Pacific” – only finally got their heads out of their butts and committed into a hard, bloody fight for the common good when the aggressive militarist expansion of the Nazi and Japanese regimes finally cut too tangibly, ominously close – Germany attacked Britain and Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.  Let’s hope enough of our electorate pull their heads out of their butts in time to avoid electing a narcissistic greedy socipath who is inclined to admire, rather than resist other thuggish authoritarian regimes.

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      Melancholy Jaques

      June 9, 2024 at 1:38 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus:

      I am willing to bet a shit ton of the people bringing up the Supreme Court as an issue every presidential election were liberal lawyers.

      No doubt. And what we got in response ranged from blank stares to protests that the court was certainly not as important as whatever.

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      smith

      June 9, 2024 at 1:41 pm

      @Melancholy Jaques: And what we got in response ranged from blank stares to protests that the court was certainly not as important as whatever.

      Especially in 2016, when the danger was clear and present, and inevitably came to pass,

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      Cathie from Canada

      June 9, 2024 at 1:42 pm

      I think it was Rick Wilson 8 years ago who coined “Everything Trump Touches Dies” #ETTD . Now he has destroyed  SCOTUS.

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      WaterGirl

      June 9, 2024 at 1:42 pm

      @Villago Delenda Est:

      The Federalist Society must be annihilated.  It’s a terrorist organization aimed at the Constitution of the United States.

      The Federalist Society is certainly lawless and anti-democratic.  I don’t know if that counts a s a terrorist organization or not, but I’m with you on it being burned to the ground, and the roots salted.

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      mrmoshpotato

      June 9, 2024 at 1:45 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      The Federalist Society is certainly lawless and anti-democratic. I don’t know if that counts a s a terrorist organization or not, but I’m with you on it being burned to the ground, and the roots salted. 

      And all local dogs can piss on the ashes too.

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      cmorenc

      June 9, 2024 at 1:49 pm

      @mrmoshpotato:

      And all local dogs can piss on the ashes too.

      How will the families of Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito one day protect their graves from the multitudes who would gladly piss on them?

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      Trivia Man

      June 9, 2024 at 1:52 pm

      “The Supreme Court has made their decision, now let us see them enforce it” may be the next step. I don’t know  how that happens without literal street battles but … maybe?

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      Omnes Omnibus

      June 9, 2024 at 1:53 pm

      Gantz is out.

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      Bruce K in ATH-GR

      June 9, 2024 at 1:53 pm

      @mrmoshpotato: “This is not a place of honor. No highly esteemed deed is commemorated here. Nothing of value is here.”

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      Villago Delenda Est

      June 9, 2024 at 1:54 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: Well, this does not bode well for Bibi.  Oh, wait, Bibi has his head up his ass.  He won’t realize this.

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      Jackie

      June 9, 2024 at 1:56 pm

      That Lincoln Project ad gave me goosebumps. And brought tears.

      This ad, coupled with Lindsey Graham’s assertions that D-Day was a mistake and shouldn’t have happened… My emotions are all over the place this morning.

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      cain

      June 9, 2024 at 1:57 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus:

      Remind me what that means? He is part of the far right coalition correct?

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      Jackie

      June 9, 2024 at 1:57 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: Gantz is Gone.👍🏻

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    18. 18.

      Omnes Omnibus

      June 9, 2024 at 1:58 pm

      @Villago Delenda Est: As a wise person said, “Good. Now what?“

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      Omnes Omnibus

      June 9, 2024 at 2:00 pm

      @cain: He was a part of the coalition, but not a part of the far right aspect of it.  It’s potentially very bad for Netanyahu.  Or not.  I am by no means an expert on Israeli politics.

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      WaterGirl

      June 9, 2024 at 2:03 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: I don’t recall the alarm being seriously sounded – beyond Sheldon Whitehouse – until the ProPublica article.

      Is it wrong to think that the legal community should have been up in arms and very vocal about the Supreme Court and Leonard Leo and the Federalist Society?

      I’m not saying that liberal attorneys didn’t care.  I’m just saying that from where I’m sitting, prestigious attorneys whose opinions would surely get attention should have raised the alarm years and years ago.

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    21. 21.

      Omnes Omnibus

      June 9, 2024 at 2:09 pm

      @WaterGirl: Did anyone outside the legal community really care until Dobbs?

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    22. 22.

      Jackie

      June 9, 2024 at 2:09 pm

      OT: First MAGAt down; presumably the first of many more.

      On Sunday morning, the Reno Gazette-Journal reported the first MAGA fan succumbed to the oppressive heat at 8:45 am when the temperature was 86 degrees and climbing.

      According to the report, a secret service agent “ran toward the security line shouting ‘medic,’ at Sunset Park where the rally will take place.

      I wonder if the SS agent was misheard shouting MAGA?

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    23. 23.

      WaterGirl

      June 9, 2024 at 2:10 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: I had read that that was coming, but maybe delayed for a day?  I haven’t had the to read more about it.  I assume that weakens Bibi?

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      WaterGirl

      June 9, 2024 at 2:12 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: I did.

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    25. 25.

      Geminid

      June 9, 2024 at 2:12 pm

      @cain: Benny Gantz brought 12 National Unity Party Knesset members into an emergency government formed October 12. Four including Gideon Saar dropped out of the government some weeks ago. Now Gantz is taking himself and the 7 remaining National Unity MKs into opposition.

      That leaves Netanyahu his original 64 member, four party coalition electedon Nov. 1, 2022. I think Netanyahu’s Likud Party has 32, Shas 11, United Torah 7, and the toxic Smotrich and Ben-Gvir have 14 seats between them. Both Shas and United Torah are Ultra-Orthodox parties, one (Shas) for the Sephardim and the other (United Torah) for the Ashkenazim.

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    26. 26.

      Omnes Omnibus

      June 9, 2024 at 2:13 pm

      @WaterGirl: Prestigious attorneys like Hillary Clinton?

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    27. 27.

      Villago Delenda Est

      June 9, 2024 at 2:14 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: She sounded an alarm, but so few listened.  Or, perhaps, they did listen, and out of pure spite, voted for That Felon Guy.

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    28. 28.

      SiubhanDuinne

      June 9, 2024 at 2:14 pm

      @Jackie:

      Lindsey Graham’s assertions that D-Day was a mistake and shouldn’t have happened…

      Wait, whut?

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    29. 29.

      Layer8Problem

      June 9, 2024 at 2:24 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: ​
      I’m not trying to be oppositional here, but was there some modern-day Learned Hand out in the legal world saying “this Republican Supreme Court sucks, and the Federalist Society does too”? Perhaps more artfully put, mind you. I mean I really do not know.

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    30. 30.

      Jackie

      June 9, 2024 at 2:28 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne:

      https://www.rawstory.com/lindsey-graham-d-day-failure/

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    31. 31.

      Tony Jay

      June 9, 2024 at 2:28 pm

      @Geminid:

      So, politically speaking, this leaves Netanyahu having to work extra hard to keep his dodgy coalition together while the Ultra-Orthadox part of it is fuming over the recent legal pushback over U-A carve outs from the basic military and social contract other Israelis have to obey, and the openly fascist part is pushing for a bonfire of ever more of that contract’s democratic protections?

      Looks like Gantz is expecting the coalition to implode in the non-too distant future and wants some distance from the Netanyahu stink.

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    32. 32.

      FNWA

      June 9, 2024 at 2:29 pm

      I’d love to see a post about the best way to spend my limited funds that I can give to help Democratic candidates and crush the GOP.  I live in the NYC suburbs so I don’t think my rep and Senators are in danger.  Do I split my funds between Biden and Act Blue?  Any help would be appreciated.

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    33. 33.

      scav

      June 9, 2024 at 2:30 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: Seems he said it was a “failure” and part of an “unnecessary war”, perhaps on his way to sone other point (if we care to be charitable).  What’s up with this D-Day celebration?  They’re all Sunaking.

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      Layer8Problem

      June 9, 2024 at 2:31 pm

      @Tony Jay:  I’m wondering what got him to check out now?  What was the impetus?

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      Villago Delenda Est

      June 9, 2024 at 2:35 pm

      @scav: An “unnecessary war”?  Is Lady G getting fitted with a new Hugo Boss wardrobe?

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      smith

      June 9, 2024 at 2:35 pm

      @scav: He was saying there had been multiple missed opportunities to stop Hitler before it came down to a full scale invasion. He was trying to draw a parallel to Putin, but inadvertantly made a  very good point about the Felon and Lindsey’s own role in letting MAGA fester. Whether he was making any sense or not, his timing was abysmal.

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    37. 37.

      laura

      June 9, 2024 at 2:36 pm

      The breathtaking speed that they are repealing the protections Reconstruction Amendments and encouraging cases that claim racial bias against white people, the desire to return to Lochner, the steady accommodation of a certain type of religion into the government sphere- and for profit as they divert our tax dollars, the made up theories and limited protections from the law, the velvet roped off area reserved for the very wealthy and their desires, the shadow docket, the distain for precedent, acting as a finder of fact and ignoring their role as an appellate court, the rejection of the Right to Privacy, refusing to acknowledge the barbarity of the death penalty as it currently operates, the stonewalling on presidential immunity and it’s active interference of the upcoming presidential election in favor of a convicted felon.

      I feel stabby.

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    38. 38.

      Geminid

      June 9, 2024 at 2:37 pm

      @Tony Jay: For whatever reason, Gantz is distancing himself from this government for sure. Opposition leaders Lapid, Lieberman and Saar set up a “war room” ten days ago to coordinate tactics and strategy aimed at collapsing this government. Gantz will join in.

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    39. 39.

      Frankensteinbeck

      June 9, 2024 at 2:37 pm

      @Tony Jay: ​
      Do not underestimate that absolutely everyone, including Likud voters, are royally pissed with Netenyahu for October 7th. Israeli voters are not as purely partisan as Americans. Netenyahu failed to keep them safe, and they do blame him for it.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      hedgehog the occasional commenter

      June 9, 2024 at 2:38 pm

      @Jackie: /headdesk gif/

      Reply
    41. 41.

      WaterGirl

      June 9, 2024 at 2:40 pm

      @Layer8Problem: I though his answer was this.

      Looks like Gantz is expecting the coalition to implode in the non-too distant future and wants some distance from the Netanyahu stink.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      Chet Murthy

      June 9, 2024 at 2:40 pm

      @FNWA: YMMV, but for my $$, I’m following the various campaigns run by the FPers (specifically WaterGirl).  She and some others are picking out GOTV orgs that they think are effective and focused on high-payoff races/states.  In previous cycles, they’ve picked GOTV orgs and candidates in swing states/districts, and had good luck in picking ones that won.

      The thing I like about this approach, is that I don’t need to do my own vetting — it’s not trivial, and takes a lot of time to do well.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      Baud

      June 9, 2024 at 2:41 pm

      @Geminid:

      🤞

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    44. 44.

      scav

      June 9, 2024 at 2:43 pm

      @smith: Soundbite management is suuuuuccchhhh a baseline political skill to master.  Not handing quotes to your opposition on a silver platter (no need for deepfakes!) might even come before potty training.  If it isn’t, in fact, potty training.

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    45. 45.

      Layer8Problem

      June 9, 2024 at 2:45 pm

      @WaterGirl:  Yeah, that’s Tony Jay’s take and I agree with him, but I’m (rhetorically) wondering if there was a cause driving Gantz to that expectation and if so what that was. It could be as simple as he’s fed up.​

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    46. 46.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 2:46 pm

      Copied from opinion piece in wapo, by J. Rubin, linked in the above posted article about judge ( the whole article is great, well written, includes  all the talking points I need when I speak w my right leaning acquaintance):

      The job of being president is executive management, something with which political reporters (as opposed to business reporters) have virtually no expertise. We should be asking whether a candidate can absorb necessary details, make good personnel decisions, reach sound conclusions, evaluate risk and consider the consequences of actions. Can the president separate personal interests from the interests of the nation, of allies or even the planet? That is what the president does, day after day.

      And we do not need to be armchair psychiatrists to evaluate that sort of presidential fitness. As I have written, Trump’s closest colleagues tell us that he is willfully ignorant, cannot grasp basic concepts, cannot absorb written material. As for his hiring decisions, by his own admission, he has hired a slew of dumb or incompetent people. He gloms on to ridiculous quack theories, and he channels the ideas and rhetoric of America’s enemies and of historical villains.

      Trump cannot keep national secrets — or understand they are not “his.” He is incapable of grasping the values and ethos of military service. Because he is so susceptible to flattery and so thin-skinned, he cannot tell friend from foe. And as his former national security adviser John Bolton put it, “Trump really cares only about retribution for himself, and it will consume much of a second term.”

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    47. 47.

      WaterGirl

      June 9, 2024 at 2:47 pm

      @laura: Thank you for enumerating all of those so clearly.  Yes, all of that.  Awful.  They are basically destroying the balance of power in our democracy and have flushed their own credibility down the toilet.

      I have had all of them in my head, but was not able to say it so clearly.  I will be saving that for a future post. :-)

      You are an attorney, yes?

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    48. 48.

      Chet Murthy

      June 9, 2024 at 2:47 pm

      @scav: I persist in believing that Graham did an excellent job of “soundbite management” (wow, great term!)  Any naive reaction to D-Day would have been obviously a rah-rah-NATO moment; instead he found a way to diss the Western Alliance while still sticking to “Hitler Bad!”  And dissing the Western Alliance is *useful* to MAGA, b/c TCFG wants to get us out of NATO (the modern incarnation of that Alliance).

      So he handed TCFG and his minions a ready-made soundbite: “D-Day was a failure” to stack next to “NATO needs to pay its bills, or I’ll let Putin do whatever he wants to ’em”.

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      NotMax

      June 9, 2024 at 2:48 pm

      For the record, pointed to that ad (checks watch) three days ago.
      ;)

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    50. 50.

      cain

      June 9, 2024 at 2:49 pm

      @scav:

      It seems like he is saying that if we had nipped fascism in the bud earlier and not appeased Hitler all of this would be unnecessary.

      He can fuck right off. He is still TCFG’s bitch and that guy made sure that Ukraine didn’t get any funding using his influence. His party is making the exact same mistake and this man wants to lecture us about D-Day being unnecessary?

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    51. 51.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 2:49 pm

      Link to the very useful opinion article connected to wapo piece. I found this helpful. Can I post a link?

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/06/09/wall-street-journal-biden-slipping-article/

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    52. 52.

      Lapassionara

      June 9, 2024 at 2:50 pm

      @smith: Did he enumerate those “missed opportunities”? Seriously, he must know that there was a strong isolationism streak in the US that limited the assistance we could give to those fighting Hitler, and that this prevented our active involvement in the war until Pearl Harbor.

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    53. 53.

      Baud

      June 9, 2024 at 2:52 pm

      @cain:

      I agree with nipping fascism in the bud. I don’t see what that has to do with celebrating D-Day, in particular.

      Also. Not too sure how fascism could have been nipped in the 1930s. I’m pretty sure how it can be nipped today.

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    54. 54.

      AxelFoley

      June 9, 2024 at 2:52 pm

      @Villago Delenda Est:

      The Federalist Society must be annihilated.  It’s a terrorist organization aimed at the Constitution of the United States.

      Societas Foederalis delenda est?

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    55. 55.

      scav

      June 9, 2024 at 2:52 pm

      @Chet Murthy: Depends on the audience I guess.  Might fly by whoosh! over the information-averse normies, leaving a nasty smell, while perfumed like roses and bacon to the already devoted insiders.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      Gretchen

      June 9, 2024 at 2:53 pm

      I think/hope the Senate may surprise us. Abortion and birth control will be bigger issues than a lot of people expect, I think. Missouri has a right to abortion amendment on the November ballot, unless the wingers figure out how to stop it. Josh Hawley voted against the right to contraception last week. His wife is the lead attorney on the Supreme Court case trying to ban mifepristone. He has a good opponent, Lance Kunce, who is a veteran, has used the film of Hawley running away from the Jan 6 mob in ads, and is being advised by Jason Kander, who made a good run against Roy Blunt a few years ago. And Jess Piper is leading Blue Missouri to run Democrats everywhere. If I can feel hopeful about Missouri, I feel like the same is happening in other places.

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    57. 57.

      cain

      June 9, 2024 at 2:54 pm

      @Baud: yeah I don’t know what his point was but as someone said above the US was very reluctant to get involved until Pearl Harbor.

      But we can do something about it now and it’s his fucking party that is preventing it if not wholly supporting it

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    58. 58.

      smith

      June 9, 2024 at 2:54 pm

      @Lapassionara: You may be expecting too much clarity and logic here. This is Lindsey Graham we’re talking about, whose heartfelt beliefs are largely determined by what will benefit him best today.

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    59. 59.

      Baud

      June 9, 2024 at 2:56 pm

      @Gretchen:

      As WaterGirl has said, no one knows what will happen.

      Reply
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      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 2:58 pm

      @laura: I feel stabby.

      Thats a new word for me, I think I know what you mean, in which case, oh I relate. Grrr.
      I appreciate such a clear detailed list of the bad, infuriating things they’re doing. I certainly don’t have the words nor the background experience to express it so eloquently. Appreciate it a lot, utterly useful.
      I feel angry and helpless and aghast, at scotus behaviors and actions.

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    61. 61.

      Steve in the ATL

      June 9, 2024 at 3:01 pm

      @WaterGirl:
       

      prestigious attorneys whose opinions would surely get attention

      That stings a little bit.

      Reply
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      Melancholy Jaques

      June 9, 2024 at 3:02 pm

      @Jackie:

      Lindsey Graham’s assertions that D-Day was a mistake and shouldn’t have happened

      What? Where? When? Why?

      Reply
    63. 63.

      WaterGirl

      June 9, 2024 at 3:03 pm

      @FNWA: Hi there, quick question.  Are you new-ish on Balloon Juice?

      Because we have a whole fundraising strategy thing going on here, that it sounds like you are not aware of yet?

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    64. 64.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 3:03 pm

      @Gretchen: Joshua hawley and his wife better not be using birth control. No telling what might happen.
      not wanting to be so vengeful; I just want those people to see, and experience personally the results they’re intending to impose on others.

      I am glad you have hope in Missouri. If I had discretionary income, I’d be donating to several state races.

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    65. 65.

      laura

      June 9, 2024 at 3:04 pm

      @WaterGirl: yes, I was- currently retired art student.

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    66. 66.

      WaterGirl

      June 9, 2024 at 3:06 pm

      @Steve in the ATL: Not my intention! :-)

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Layer8Problem

      June 9, 2024 at 3:06 pm

      @Steve in the ATL: ​

      prestigious attorneys whose opinions would surely get attention

      That stings a little bit.

      Omnes at work? 😁

      Reply
    68. 68.

      Sure Lurkalot

      June 9, 2024 at 3:09 pm

      @Jackie:

      coupled with Lindsey Graham’s assertions that D-Day was a mistake and shouldn’t have happened

      Maybe Lindsay should listen to Maddow’s Ultra or read up again on Lindbergh and his fellow travelers.

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 3:10 pm

      @WaterGirl: aiming at the federalist society seems like a good aim. I need more information about them. Names, companies owned, (churches they dominate/own,) suggested boycotts that might impact them.
      Is there a strategy in place? Are there posts about them here, in the archives? Organizations already aiming at them, that we can support?

      Reply
    70. 70.

      WaterGirl

      June 9, 2024 at 3:10 pm

      @Gloria DryGarden: More than 7 links in a comment throws you into moderation.

      Reply
    71. 71.

      WaterGirl

      June 9, 2024 at 3:12 pm

      @Gloria DryGarden: Between now and November, I’d say our best efforts should be spent at trying to get the right people elected.

      After November, assuming that Biden wins and that we have at least one of the chambers, hopefully both, that would be the time to focus on something like that.

      In my opinion.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      Sure Lurkalot

      June 9, 2024 at 3:13 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus:

      Did anyone outside the legal community really care until Dobbs?

      Citizens United and its antecedents?

      Reply
    73. 73.

      WaterGirl

      June 9, 2024 at 3:14 pm

      @Layer8Problem: Ah, got it.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      Gretchen

      June 9, 2024 at 3:16 pm

      Lance Kunce ad featuring Josh Hawley running: https://youtu.be/McuIscYMRmw?si=uaLtRIh3xC40j1c5

      Reply
    75. 75.

      Baud

      June 9, 2024 at 3:21 pm

      “I have never, ever seen this kind of overt political campaign to influence the court like this,” said Patrick Parenteau, professor and senior climate policy fellow at Vermont Law School

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Another Scott

      June 9, 2024 at 3:23 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: Interesting.  I was expecting it to happen Thursday or so.

      TimesofIsrael.com

      Thanks.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      wjca

      June 9, 2024 at 3:23 pm

      @WaterGirl:  I’m with you on it being burned to the ground, and the roots salted.

      An idea with merit.  IF you make sure to include the people funding it.  Because these crazies wouldn’t be working this long and this hard if they weren’t getting financed.  A hobby project, it ain’t.

      Reply
    78. 78.

      Citizen Alan

      June 9, 2024 at 3:24 pm

      @cain:  I truly believe at this point that anyone who still calls themselves a Republican thinks D-Day was a mistake because we should have been on Hitler’s side. Deep in their hearts, every MAGA freak wishes the Nazis had won WW2 and gone on to conquer America (or America had been taken over by homegrown Nazis, at least). Because then, everyone the MAGA freaks hate, whether for skin color or religion or sexuality or national origin or because they’re a liberal would not be around to bother the MAGAs, those hated peoples grandparents having been exterminated in camps before they were ever born.

      Reply
    79. 79.

      Citizen Alan

      June 9, 2024 at 3:28 pm

      @Lapassionara: In response to Pearl Harbor, FDR sent Congress a war declaration against Japan. He did not immediately seek a war declaration against Germany until after Hitler declared war on us. I am utterly convinced that FDR didn’t even try to seek a war declaration against Germany at first because the Republicans would have blocked it. I also believe that if Hitler had been smart, he’d have used the “treachery” of Pearl Harbor as an excuse to break his alliance with Japan and declare neutrality in any America-Japan conflict. And the Republicans would have used that as an excuse to keep us out of the European war until after Britain fell.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Another Scott

      June 9, 2024 at 3:28 pm

      @Layer8Problem: He warned weeks ago that he would quit the war cabinet if Bibi didn’t present a post-war plan by June 8.  Looks like he meant it.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 3:29 pm

      @wjca: I need a list of who funds them. I can’t do this research right now, my life challenges are taking a lot of bandwidth.

      Reply
    82. 82.

      Citizen Alan

      June 9, 2024 at 3:31 pm

      @Baud:  Just repeating for the umpteenth time that LBJ nominee Abe Fortas was blocked from becoming Chief Justice and eventually hounded off SCOTUS completely over a matter of $20,000.00 in speaking fees.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 3:33 pm

      @WaterGirl: thank you. It was 3 copied paragraphs. How do I convert that into  a # of links? Just trying to stick to appropriateness/follow the rules..

      It was a great article/ opinion piece. Useful talking points.

      Reply
    84. 84.

      Gretchen

      June 9, 2024 at 3:33 pm

      @Gloria DryGarden: Yeah, Hawley’s wife isn’t home raising 10 kids. I think they have 2, so she doesn’t have to take time out of her legal career, focused on taking rights away from other women.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      Melancholy Jaques

      June 9, 2024 at 3:33 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      I’m just saying that from where I’m sitting, prestigious attorneys whose opinions would surely get attention should have raised the alarm years and years ago.

      I’m not sure what you mean by prestigious. Like law professors? I don’t believe that the electorate responds to people like Lawrence Tribe.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Steve in the ATL

      June 9, 2024 at 3:34 pm

      @Citizen Alan: probably—since the. Bush crime family was financing hitler.  And that of course didn’t stop after we declared war.  Now it’s Russians rather than nazis but otherwise the same for our esteemed friends across the aisle.

      Reply
    87. 87.

      Layer8Problem

      June 9, 2024 at 3:34 pm

      @Another Scott: That would do it.  Now I’m wondering what clever shit Netanyahu tried to come up with to counter that while that was ticking, up to and including “Oh my god I have no fuckin’ idea what to do!!”

      Reply
    88. 88.

      hueyplong

      June 9, 2024 at 3:34 pm

      Not interested in parsing or even knowing anything Lindsey Graham says short of “Goodbye, cruel world.”

      Reply
    89. 89.

      Steve in the ATL

      June 9, 2024 at 3:35 pm

      @Layer8Problem: most atrocities can be linked to him in some form or fashion!

      Reply
    90. 90.

      smith

      June 9, 2024 at 3:36 pm

      @Citizen Alan: But that was different! Fortas was a liberal, and therefore had no business making any money from his position. Just like Justice Kagan, who was not so long ago raked over the coals for selling copies of her book when she went on a book tour.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 3:37 pm

      @AxelFoley: not speaking latin. IANAL. Won’t you pls translate?

      Reply
    92. 92.

      wjca

      June 9, 2024 at 3:38 pm

      @FNWA: As  @Chet Murthy: has laid out, there’s a whole strategy in place.

      But if you want to go solo, consider giving to Senator Tester in Montana.  Holding the Senate is seriously iffy without holding that seat.  Absent a landslide, which I don’t discount, but is hardly a given.

      Reply
    93. 93.

      hueyplong

      June 9, 2024 at 3:39 pm

      @Gloria DryGarden: Something like “federalist society must be destroyed.”

      Reply
    94. 94.

      TBone

      June 9, 2024 at 3:39 pm

      @Baud:  the gaslighting here is fierce.  Musta struck a nerve. Bravo!

      Asked about the influence campaign, Severino told the Guardian: “Liberal dark money groups … are freaking out because the supreme court is being asked to step in and correct the damage those dark money groups are doing with their massive campaign to subvert the law and the constitution with a radical climate agenda.”

      Reply
    95. 95.

      Steve in the ATL

      June 9, 2024 at 3:40 pm

      @Gloria DryGarden: the federalist society must be destroyed.

      Reply
    96. 96.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 3:43 pm

      @Steve in the ATL: thanks to you and hueyplong for this charming translation.

      God there’s so much to be mad about

      Reply
    97. 97.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 3:44 pm

      @TBone: who is gaslighting whom, where? Can’t seem to figure it out from the quote.

      Reply
    98. 98.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 3:45 pm

      @hueyplong: I bet you have a list of people you desire to connect w that quote

      Reply
    99. 99.

      JaySinWA

      June 9, 2024 at 3:46 pm

      @Gloria DryGarden:It was 3 copied paragraphs. How do I convert that into  a # of links? Just trying to stick to appropriateness/follow the rules..

      The links were imbedded in the paragraphs you pasted in. You should look for a plain text option for your pasted text (that strips out links and other formatting). if you used ctrl-v to paste the text in, often ctrl-shift-v is plain text paste (for Windows browsers based on Chrome at least).

      ETA Watergirl has some instructions for Apple devices, the terminology is different but the meaning is the same.

      ETA Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge will give you a plain text paste menu option if you right click after copying selecting text.

      Reply
    100. 100.

      TBone

      June 9, 2024 at 3:46 pm

      @Gloria DryGarden: an explainer

      https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/speeches/the-third-federalist-society/

      See section titled “Federalist Society Funders”

      Reply
    101. 101.

      hueyplong

      June 9, 2024 at 3:51 pm

      A lot of despicable people have been invited out from under rocks by Trump, but I remain mystified by the existence of any interest in anything Graham has to say.  We all think we know his narrative arc at this point.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      wjca

      June 9, 2024 at 3:53 pm

      @Gloria DryGarden: not speaking latin. IANAL. Won’t you pls translate?

      It’s a riff on Cato saying “Carthago delenda est” — “Carthage must be destroyed”.  About 150 BC, IIRC.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      TBone

      June 9, 2024 at 3:58 pm

      @hueyplong: he’s just running distraction plays for Dotard.

      Reply
    104. 104.

      TBone

      June 9, 2024 at 4:03 pm

      @Gloria DryGarden: more recently, this fucking guy too

      https://www.propublica.org/article/dark-money-leonard-leo-barre-seid

      Reply
    105. 105.

      Villago Delenda Est

      June 9, 2024 at 4:04 pm

      @smith: He’s every bit the naked opportunist that Elsie Stefanik is.

      Reply
    106. 106.

      Melancholy Jaques

      June 9, 2024 at 4:06 pm

      @hueyplong:

      I remain mystified by the existence of any interest in anything Graham has to say.

      He has always been a horrible person, but he made himself into St. John McCain’s sidekick. After McCain died, the political media transferred their love for him to Graham.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      Villago Delenda Est

      June 9, 2024 at 4:12 pm

      @wjca: The basis, also, too, of my nym, referring to the DC media village, headed by the (thankfully) late David Broder.

      Reply
    108. 108.

      Villago Delenda Est

      June 9, 2024 at 4:15 pm

      @wjca: Fully concur.  We have a serious problem with billionaire parasites in this country.

      Reply
    109. 109.

      AxelFoley

      June 9, 2024 at 4:15 pm

      @Gloria DryGarden:

      @AxelFoley: not speaking latin. IANAL. Won’t you pls translate?

      Basically: the Federalist Society must be destroyed.

      A riff on Cato the Elder’s warmongering phrase to get Rome to attack Carthage (“Carthago delenda est”) and a nod to Villago Delenda Est’s nym, which refers to our useless media

      Edit:  Or, what wjca and Villago both said.

      Reply
    110. 110.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 4:22 pm

      @JaySinWA: thank you for explaining. I was using Apple tablet, ( and android phone, sometimes) these functions I’ll need to learn. Had no idea about links embedded. Wish someone would go to that link and copy paste it in plain text.

      Reply
    111. 111.

      Mr. Bemused Senior

      June 9, 2024 at 4:22 pm

      @hueyplong: @Melancholy Jaques:

      I remain mystified by the existence of any interest in anything Graham has to say.

      In the aftermath of Abu Ghraib he came out against torture. In contrast to, say, John Yoo and Alan Dershowitz. A low bar, to be sure.  At this point he has squandered whatever tiny good will I felt toward him back then.  Not that he would care about my good will.

      Reply
    112. 112.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 4:25 pm

      @AxelFoley: remember the robot movie, Terminator , starring Conan/  Schwartzenegger?

      “Seek, destroy. ”

      Delightful to understand what that latin phrase means. Timely…

      Reply
    113. 113.

      WaterGirl

      June 9, 2024 at 4:25 pm

      @Baud: What do they expect?  Word is out that SCOTUS is for sale, and people are surprised that people are trying to influence them?

      Reply
    114. 114.

      TBone

      June 9, 2024 at 4:26 pm

      Lest we forget

      “It is a travesty that Clarence Thomas failed to recuse himself in yet another case from which his right-wing donors could directly benefit,” said Revolving Door Project executive director Jeff Hauser in a statement. “Justice Thomas’ billionaire benefactor Harlan Crow has a vested interest in weakening rent control laws across the country to buttress his real estate empire’s profit.”

      https://www.commondreams.org/news/clarence-thomas-rent-control

      Also too

      All justices personally close to proprietors of shady financial services firms should recuse themselves, full stop,” said Revolving Door Project’s Jeff Hauser.

      …

      U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas on Monday faced mounting pressure to recuse himself from a case that experts warn “poses an existential threat” to a consumer-focused federal agency in the wake of revelations that he secretly served as an in-person “fundraising draw” for Koch network donor events.

      https://www.commondreams.org/news/clarence-thomas-recusal

      Reply
    115. 115.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 4:34 pm

      OT hot news item

      I just popped open a Newsweek article that says good news for Lauren boebert. That she’s the favored candidate in her new Colorado district. Our primary is June 25. I assume it’s statewide, that date.

       

      I wonder if there’s anyone in that Republican district taking action to promote her opponents, who may have more experience, and not be maga supporters. I don’t want her for my state, nor for our national Congress. I’ll have to call my friend in Yuma, that might be her district, see if she has any ideas.

      Jesus f-ing Christ. I was counting on her losing.

      Reply
    116. 116.

      NotMax

      June 9, 2024 at 4:41 pm

      @Steve in the ATL

      Skimming through the comments too quickly, at first read that as gorgeous attorneys.
      ;)

      Reply
    117. 117.

      NotMax

      June 9, 2024 at 4:44 pm

      @wjca

      Trivia:

      Translated from the Phoenician, Carthage means New City.

      Reply
    118. 118.

      Sister Golden Bear

      June 9, 2024 at 4:58 pm

      @Steve in the ATL: I’m sure a bottle of wine at whatever airport you’re in today will ease the pain. /s

      Reply
    119. 119.

      Another Scott

      June 9, 2024 at 5:00 pm

      @Gloria DryGarden: The poll has 343 responses.  Assuming 100,000 voters in the GQP primary, that’s +/-6% if the sample is representative.  That’s a lot.

      Don’t panic, but, yeah, people need to do the work if they don’t want her to win.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    120. 120.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 5:05 pm

      @TBone: thanks for link about federalist society/money. Just skimmed, will read in depth later. Reposted link to Facebook, my poor friends there.

      Reply
    121. 121.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 5:07 pm

      @Another Scott: thx. I don’t know the population of that district. I have urban democrat blinders on, and a complex life. But that gives me a sliver of hope. What the hell is Newsweek doing giving her optimistic press, and sounding so cheery about it?

      (Swear words omitted)

      Reply
    122. 122.

      Sister Golden Bear

      June 9, 2024 at 5:11 pm

      @Gloria DryGarden: Newsweek is no longer the publication we once knew. It’s a zombie version of itself, after being bought out, and regularly publishes rightwing BS.

      Reply
    123. 123.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 9, 2024 at 5:11 pm

      @TBone: Jesus, God!!

      Also, those Kochs

      Reply
    124. 124.

      Baud

      June 9, 2024 at 5:12 pm

      @TBone:

      That article is from 2023. Thomas surprisingly wrote the opinion upholding the CFPB.

      Reply
    125. 125.

      Auntie Anne

      June 9, 2024 at 5:42 pm

      @Chet Murthy: Agree 100%!

      Reply
    126. 126.

      Jay

      June 9, 2024 at 6:10 pm

      For excellence in the field of grifting, the nominees are:

      Clarence Thomas, the Supreme Court of the United States (1991- ).

      Ladies and gentlemen, this year the Academy is making the award by spontaneous acclamation:

      83% of all “declared” gifts,

      https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2024/06/hall-of-fame-first-ballot-no-notes

      Reply
    127. 127.

      TBone

      June 9, 2024 at 6:16 pm

      @Baud: Well aware – my header says “Lest we forget.”

      Reply

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