I’ve been on the road and out of the loop since morning, so I haven’t paid attention to the news. I left the TV on to keep the dogs company, so when I got home, the first thing I saw was that the Hunter Biden verdict came down: guilty on all three charges.
That’s 31 fewer felony convictions than Trump! And Hunter Biden isn’t running for office.
We haven’t followed the trial, but the outcome isn’t a surprise, right? Sounded like they had a ton of evidence, including a confessional book authored by the defendant. For Joe Biden’s sake, I hope the fact that this was the son’s first offense will keep the judge from imposing a harsh sentence.
I do expect we’ll see an enormous contrast on reactions to the Trump and Hunter Biden verdicts. An entire party is undermining the justice system to cover Trump’s guilt. Democrats, including the president, will accept the jury’s verdict. I hope normies see that and fully understand the implications.
Open thread!
Chief Oshkosh
Trump judge tosses a prosecutor-approved plea deal. DOJ places a Trump holdover and nutcase as prosecutor. And here we are.
Old School
The Biden Crime Family has been brought to justice!
A Man for All Seasonings (formerly Geeno)
I hope that’s what the normies take away from it, too.
They’ve frequently disappointed me however.
JPL
From Laffy on Mastodon
Statement from President #Biden:
“As I said last week, I am the President, but I am also a Dad. Jill and I love our son, and we are so proud of the man he is today … As I also said last week, I will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as Hunter considers an appeal. Jill and I will always be there for Hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. Nothing will ever change that.”
smith
Unfortunately, normies, with more than a little prompting from the Right and its corporate media co-conspirators, are just as likely to take away that Dems are criminals who deserve punishment, and Rs are innocents being railroaded by a weaponized justice system.
Cheryl from Maryland
The “ton of evidence” was cherry-picked by the prosecution, and the judge ruled in the prosecution’s favor. For example, the form from the gun store was completed with two different handwritings and three colors of ink. The judge allowed the prosecution to enter a black-and-white scan into evidence with no testimony allowed about the form. So there was no opportunity for Hunter Biden’s lawyer to enquire if the form was completed properly before Biden and not doctored by the shop owner/employees. The prosecution gave the owner of the gun store immunity. Other similar issues give openings for an appeal.
Ned F
The NRA was cospicuously silent during this whole event considering the form which Hunter lied on is a big target of theirs.
MazeDancer
@Cheryl from Maryland:
May the appeal go smoothly.
But, alas, if Hu ter wins on appeal, the GOP will be back to screaming “rigged”.
Still, Mr. Biden is classy as always.
And so many Americans are dealing with friends and family who are addicts.
TBone
I was expecting the worst while hoping for the best for Hunter. I haven’t much else to say today on that matter, other than Hunter will display grace and courage that Dotard doesn’t even know exists.
In that vein, this is a gird your loins warning. Incoming!
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/06/supreme-court-june-docket-disaster-alito-roberts.html
Be aware. Be ready.
Jeffro
It will matter at the margins, and that’s all we can hope for given the state of the trump-enabling, ever-descending GOP
smith
@Cheryl from Maryland: I was surprised to hear that the judge allowed some evidence from the fabled laptop as well. The chain of custody for that laptop is so thoroughly polluted I can’t see how it can be used for evidence in court.
Old Man Shadow
The GOP will scream regardless. Let ’em.
Marmot
Normies! Who can tell what they’ll believe? About a month ago, I was volunteering and a normie woman asked, “Who’s going to be running for president?”
Baffled, I was all, “Biden and Trump, and RFK if he can get on the ballot in all the states.” And she laughed! Heartily, like it was a ridiculous thing!
I did not reply, “How are you so poorly informed? Do you not know about the huge advantage of incumbency? Do you not know who runs Bartertown on the other side? What the fuck, you are so stupid!” … but I wanted to.
jimmiraybob
@Ned F: “The NRA was cospicuously silent …”
The NRA is not about arming liberals and Democrats for the next American Revolution 2.0.
Baud
@Marmot:
Correct. They are unreliable, but it’s wrong to mistake that for being reliably against us.
NotMax
Someone remind me why i should care about Hunter Biden.
Villago Delenda Est
All I know is that I’ll never vote for Hunter Biden again!
rikyrah
This is, and has always been, a bullshyt case
soapdish
@NotMax: 100% this.
I had to stop reading Empty Wheel because it got to be all Hunter Biden all the time.
Villago Delenda Est
@Ned F: The NRA has its own problems right now and no time to spare.
gene108
The case should never have gone to trial.
The prosecution is going to push for the maximum sentence possible, and I think the judge will grant it.
Republicans are trying to damage President Biden by pushing his son to relapse into addiction from the stress of all their accusations, and now this guilty verdict.
Jackie
@MazeDancer: I’m going to be as positive as possible and expect Hunter, as an addict who went through drug rehab and is now clean, and no prior convictions, will get probation only. If he relapses, his sentence will be reevaluated at that time.
Hunter’s family will give him the love and strength needed to persevere through this time.
I truly hope Joe’s faith will hold him strong at this time, because TCFG and his MAGA ilk will do their best to hurt him psychologically.
Soprano2
@Cheryl from Maryland: It sounds like there are several issues they can appeal on. I was surprised to hear them talk about the laptop, because the chain of custody of that thing is so corrupted that I would think as evidence it’s worthless.
That said, it’ll be sad and funny to watch all the Republicans who just a week ago were howling about a corrupt Justice Department (which had zero to do with the New York case) showing how our justice system is so corrupt there’s no saving it to saying “justice was served” in the Hunter Biden case. I feel bad for him only inasmuch as it sounds like this is the kind of case that normally would have been pled out, and the only reason he had to go through a trial was Republican squealing.
Soprano2
OH, ITA, this and they think if TCFG has to go through trials so should the Bidens.
Jackie
@NotMax:
Maybe not Hunter so much, but maybe spare some caring for his parents and family, who are hurting right now?
TBone
@Jackie: 💙
hitchhiker
Well, they managed to take a scalp. Congratulations, MAGA. You’ve heaped shame on a drug addict in recovery, woo hoo!!
For those asking, the reason you should be interested in Hunter Biden is that in spite of the fact that he’s never asked for anybody to give him any sort of political power, he’s being put in the stocks for the amusement and gratification of assholes. It’s the sort of thing that makes some of us angry.
TBone
@Soprano2: Hunter had a plea deal for this case, and it was yanked on the very day he was to sign it, IIRC.
Sid
Most of the gun owners/purchasers I know either use drugs now and/or in the past. That includes my brother the MAGA, who also dealt coke.
Poe Larity
I was wondering if Hunter could appeal based on the law being a violation of his 2nd Amendment Right. Any Real American(tm) believes in Absolute Rights and surely would have to support such an appeal?
I’m just imagining all the squirming it would cause the right and our glorious SCOTUS textualists. Free Hunter!
hitchhiker
@Sid: Same with my brother, the trumper, who used to give guns to his young son in order to avoid the prohibition on owning them himself after his conviction for dealing drugs.
TBone
I have a friend who smokes so much pot that when spur of the moment decided to go for firearms training, the instructor talked her into buying a gun. The hitch: she didn’t even know she’d have to pass a background check. She thought she could just buy a gun on the spot and ponied up the cash there and then. She had a helluva time trying to get her money back from said gun instructor 😆😆😆 I tried to be gracious but was unsuccessful and had to laugh right in her stoned, stupid face. We didn’t speak for a long time after that. “WHY DIDN’T YOU TELL ME?” she cried. Not my job, you fucking IDIOT.
Baud
@Poe Larity:
They don’t squirm, because people aren’t going to hold them accountable for their hypocrisy.
HumboldtBlue
Holy cow! Chaka Khan did a Tiny Desk concert!
Elizabelle
The guilty verdicts make me so sad.
This was weaponizing the justice system, and punishing Joe Biden for winning the presidency. I’m glad Hunter has a lot of support, and hope that his sentence will be fair.
On another note: thinking about the deplorable Alitos:
It’s like they’re from an island of cannibals, and they have lost sight that most people are not. That the Alito’s are the aberrant lifestyle.
Mrs. Alito’s “German background” comment, and then throwing out the Italian word for “shame”: She is rather Axis friendly, is she not? And just in time for the 80th anniversary of D-Day.
EarthWindFire
@A Man for All Seasonings (formerly Geeno): Yep. This is ripe for both sides thinking of the type that normies fall for. We’ll see.
Elizabelle
@hitchhiker: Yes. Angry. This will also spur me to vote Blue, and might catch some other families, too.
Hunter’s struggle with addiction: there are a lot of families in that boat. I wonder how the trial and verdict landed on them?
Melancholy Jaques
@Soprano2:
There is no justice in what happened with Hunter Biden, but there is also not a damn thing anyone can do about it.
I saw on msnbc.com a headline that Hunter’s conviction undermines Republican conspiracy theories about the DOJ. I just laughed my melancholy laugh.
Baud
@Elizabelle:
You were on the fence?
TBone
@Elizabelle: some fascists wear skirts.
This article goes deeper into the Martha Ann Nazi saga. I was shocked to know there’s more.
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/06/secret-recording-reveals-martha-ann-alitos
HumboldtBlue
While the clicks go to the bullshit Hunter Biden railroading, Joe Biden’s administration continues on with its quiet competence in getting shit done.
The main shipping channel for the Port of Baltimore is now open following the collapse of the Key bridge.
kindness
What is the over/under on the countdown to Fox News calling for the resignation of Joe Biden because of Hunter’s conviction?
Elizabelle
@Baud: I know. But I do wonder if it’s another in a list (Dobbs, voting, climate) that might remind others to vote blue.
Rebecca Grossman, the “socialite” who ran down the two little boys in a Los Angeles crosswalk at 78-81 mph, was sentenced to 15 years to life. She is 60, but I thought she should have gotten a longer sentence. Don’t know whether that means she can be out in 6-7 years, or if she has to serve 15 before a parole hearing. California state; does anyone else know? Articles have been silent on that aspect.
Anyway, she was dealt with too leniently. IMHO.
I shall be sad if Hunter gets the book thrown at him for what was essentially a political persecution.
OzarkHillbilly
In my experience, republicans try to harm people just because that’s what they do. If it damages Joe too, that’s just gravy.
Old School
@kindness:
Via Pitchbot, Politico is already using it to call for Biden to drop out of his re-election bid.
Soprano2
@TBone: I know, that’s why I said this is the kind of thing that’s usually pled out.
Soprano2
@Poe Larity: Boy that would make their heads explode, wouldn’t it?
OzarkHillbilly
The reason it got yanked is because the prosecutor and Hunter’s defense lawyers had 2 entirely different interpretations of what the plea deal entailed. The judge’s hand was forced.
Omnes Omnibus
@kindness: Politico has already broached the topic. The odious Jonathan Martin.
Soprano2
@Elizabelle: Unlike TCFG, Hunter had family who showed up for him every day. I agree, this was to punish Joe Biden because they don’t care anything at all about Hunter Biden.
Elizabelle
@Omnes Omnibus: Oooh. Bring the Febreeze and an industrial fan.
Jonathan Martin. Yuck.
AWOL
@NotMax: Because you can be next?
TBone
@Acyn
9m
McGovern: We’re missing a chairman here. Mr. Jordan has sent a substitute which is unfortunate because I would’ve liked to have asked Mr. Jordan about his noncompliance with a congressional subpoena but I guess he was too afraid to come.
Soprano2
@Melancholy Jaques: I agree that’s funny, because they will find some way to make this “completely different”, and most of the press won’t call them out for it.
OlFroth
The weird thing is this charge is one that isn’t normally prosecuted as a leading charge. Its one of those things that’s tacked on to a more serious one. The fact that there was an agreed to plea bargain that was rejected by the judge is also telling. Courts normally don’t want to waste time on this sort of charge when there’s a plea bargain on the table.
hitchhiker
@Elizabelle: I read martha-ann’s comment about how she’s German and therefore it’s dangerous to cross her as a reference to what the Nazis did after they felt that Germany had been unfairly treated after WWI.
Fuck with us, and we’ll blow up the world.
Elizabelle
@Soprano2: I had not been interested in the Hunter Biden trial at all before I read two articles in the WaPost last week. Which were actually rather sympathetic; pointing out the support of his family, and what he and his addiction had put them through.
So much addiction out there, even in “good homes.” I just wonder if this will turn out to be something that makes a difference, under the radar.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
Maybe the media would be in better financial straights if they started reporting and stopped trolling libs.
Elizabelle
@hitchhiker: They’re both weirdos. Sad!
Soprano2
@Elizabelle: It might be. Unlike paying off an adult film actress and then falsifying business records to hide the source of the money, many many families have members who are drug addicts, so they have an understanding of what that’s like for the Bidens.
Sister Golden Bear
One a happier legal note, a federal judge struck down key parts of Florida’s ban on gender healthcare for kids, and created significant hurdles for adults.
More from a Florida news source:
Quick note: Preferred terminology is “trans people” not “transgenders,” but given the ruling I’m not going to quibble.
That said, these and other wins will be subject to the
whimsbiases of the Clerical Six when these cases reach the SCOTUS. But in the meantime, this is huge win.rikyrah
Student-Loan Borrowers Enrolled in SAVE Plan May Have Gotten Court Win – Business Insider
https://www.businessinsider.com/student-loan-borrowers-gop-block-save-plan-standing-just-barely-2024-6
Jay
On the bright side, precedent has now been made, to arrest, prosecute, convict and sentence about 90% or more of US’s gun owners. Some enterprising DA should just buy the NRA’s member lists and start there.
SomeRandomGuy
@NotMax: Because he is demonstrably a victim of political prosecution, due to crimes where no one was harmed nor put at risk, except the taxpayers, whose harms have been repaired.
Were it not for this, you’re correct, he should just be Joe Biden’s slightly bratty boy, who is willing to let people think he might talk his dad into help, when both he and his dad are too honest to engage in such corrupt behavior.
Note that the above is a bad look – an ethical lapse, true, but a “scuffed shoes” issue. It doesn’t *look* good. We shouldn’t have to *see* it. There shouldn’t be any worries about this, because people really should avoid even the *hint* of corruption.
That said, show me a GOP-adherent who doesn’t love the scene in The Godfather, where the landlord talks himself into letting his tenant keep her dog, and he’ll even lower her rent, because, hey, it’s a favor to *DON CORLEONE*, and he doesn’t want to refuse.
They probably get a chuckle out of that scene; Don Corleone was just asking for a favor, not making a threat. Ah, but when *he* asks for a favor, people sometimes panic.
Same principle. And no, it’s not right, but I don’t want to hear anyone talk crap about Hunter Biden’s brattiness without screaming about “but that’s *nothing* compared to the Trump family!” because, dude, get the log out of your eye, otherwise!
Citizen Alan
@Sister Golden Bear: The reference to Brown is chilling considering the Fed Society Six are probably going to kill it.
Sister Golden Bear
@Citizen Alan: It’s only a matter of time.
Gretchen
I read Hunter’s book when it came out. It was a really good exploration of his hard times and how he overcame them. The only way they knew that he had a gun while he was addicted was by reading the book that he wrote to help other people overcome addiction. I thought it was shameful to use that against him. One former prosecutor said he’d feel dirty if he predicated a prosecution on something like that. Gun charges like that are practically never used except to get someone for another crime. The Trump-appointed judge wouldn’t allow some exculpatory evidence, like the fact that the gun shop altered the application larger, and wouldn’t allow the original application into evidence but only a copy. I think this whole thing was an attempt to drive Hunter to suicide so Biden would be too devastated to run. There’s nowhere too low for them to stoop.
lollipopguild
@Baud: They have WAY TOO much fun trolling the Libs to stop now. A fair number of right-wing media outlets are run on a make no profit basis in order to give certain people a megaphone. Or a MAGAphone.
Betty Cracker
@Sister Golden Bear: That’s excellent news! Thanks for sharing it!
MomSense
It’s my understanding that these charges aren’t usually prosecuted unless a crime is committed with the gun, but IANAL.
rikyrah
Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) posted at 10:50 AM on Tue, Jun 11, 2024:
This guy is one of the highest paid “journalist” in all of politics. In case you were wondering why the political media is completely rotten to the core.
What a phucking clown!
Jonathan Martin (@jmart) posted at 10:36 AM on Tue, Jun 11, 2024:
In the Sorkin version of 2024, Hunter’s conviction would be the escape hatch Biden takes to focus on family and drop out of the race, deferring to a Democrat, who is not approaching 82.
Here in reality, it will take the jaws of life to get Biden out and Dems will continue what they’ve done for two years: grumbling but saying nothing in public
(https://x.com/jmart/status/1800552700955840572?s=03)
rikyrah
@Sister Golden Bear:
clap clap clap clap
rikyrah
Nothing but truth.
Portia ♍️ McGonagal (@PortiaMcGonagal) posted at 9:14 AM on Tue, Jun 11, 2024:
Curious. Do predominantly white women’s orgs like Emily’s List speak out when groups like The Fearless Fund are targeted by people like Blum? Do WW think Blum won’t come after them too? Sure he’ll start w/us. They won’t stop. 1/
Portia ♍️ McGonagal (@PortiaMcGonagal) posted at 9:15 AM on Tue, Jun 11, 2024:
2/2
WW were the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. Where was their uproar when Blum led to its gutting? Keep thinking you’re safe. And don’t demand solidarity when you’re not.
………………………………………
Veronica McDonald🗣 (@Purify_toast17) posted at 9:25 AM on Tue, Jun 11, 2024:
Blum was going after Fearless Fund “for them,” so no, they’re not going to speak out. And truthfully, Blum & Co aren’t going after WW just yet because they need WW on their side.
Veronica McDonald🗣 (@Purify_toast17) posted at 9:25 AM on Tue, Jun 11, 2024:
The attacks on white women’s financial autonomy will occur after MAGA has gotten complete control of the government.
(https://x.com/Purify_toast17/status/1800534940108673469?t=eU1gIDDCPBVTS45SY1YJmQ&s=03)
Baud
@rikyrah:
Chef’s kiss. A Democrat, not the actual second in command.
Good on Centrism Fan for calling this out.
SomeRandomGuy
@Soprano2: The whole laptop story is a mess. First, *if* there ever was a laptop, it was put in the custody of an elderly drunken has-been, with such interests in the case that he can’t be considered a neutral custodian.
There’s a hard drive image, purportedly of the laptop. There is proof that some e-mail messages on that hard drive were from or to Hunter Biden, and we know this, because they were carried on big servers, like GMail, and Outlook.com, which include metadata that allows you to authenticate that sort of thing.
But the hard drive image is otherwise junk; as you say, there’s no chain of custody. Do we know that all the e-mails are his? Do we know if they’re a complete and accurate rendering, as of a point in time? Or do we think someone found a local copy of his mailbox, including some embarrassing dickpics, and mocked up a hard drive image? We *do* know people have mucked around with the hard drive image, in the time since it was (supposedly) taken from the laptop (if said laptop really exists).
So: there may be a laptop, but, its provenance is junk. (I hope I’m using “provenance” correctly… never studied law.)
The hard drive image is even worse, because has been changed since it came from the original machine. Even if we knew the original machine was “Hunter Biden’s laptop, taken in a snatch-and-grab, with surveillance video showing him screaming ‘I’m Hunter Biden and that’s my laptop!!!’ – even if we had *that* on the laptop, before it was handled by the drunken has-been, someone’s mucked with the hard drive image, and did no-one-knows-what.
So, there is a quick recap, with some tech knowledge added inline to help. Note: the right wing screams that the laptop is real, because of the e-mails on it being validated as HB’s. I’m a pacifist by nature, but that deliberate, bare-assed, lying about the situation is one of the things that reminds me that we will always have, and need, a desire to punch certain people… not so we punch them, but so we figure out if we’re just cranky, or if they’re *making* us cranky.
rikyrah
Baltimore and Sinclair Broadcasting:
Veronica McDonald🗣 (@Purify_toast17) posted at 9:21 AM on Tue, Jun 11, 2024:
It’s all clear. Sinclair 45 wants to rid downtown Baltimore of black people and needed Bates & Dixon to do it. The only thing 95% of the people on Fox 45’s pictures are doing wrong is being black. Because they couldn’t get rid of Scott, 45 is going to hype scary black people.
(https://x.com/Purify_toast17/status/1800533888403730780?t=Vg9j-yZeOZ0gBrmlKzK_uA&s=03)
Ishiyama
I’m sorry that Hunter Biden did not take the stand. That might have been his only chance.
rikyrah
Jess Piper (@piper4missouri) posted at 8:59 PM on Mon, Jun 10, 2024:
The “pro-life” movement has nothing to do with life or they’d be advocating for maternal wellness, universal healthcare, family leave, livable wages, affordable housing, and fully-funded public education…they are in fact against all of those things.
(https://x.com/piper4missouri/status/1800347040444297413?t=woh8fzWtd9DQz9LgbJPHrQ&s=03)
Tazj
@Gretchen: I’ve read that Trey Gowdy of all people has said that this isn’t usually prosecuted.
Other Republicans can’t be happy with the verdict and are claiming that it’s further evidence of a cover up to protect Joe Biden. This is what that paragon of virtue Stephen Miller is claiming.
Spanky
@SomeRandomGuy:
Part of the issue here – maybe it’s heart – is that these people have been flouncing around for a long time, secure in the knowledge that they will not be punched by liberals.
That needs to change.
Gretchen
@rikyrah: they never say how the Democrats will all agree on another nominee and get behind that person, or who that person will be who polls better than Biden. There’s just some magic rainbow unicorn nominee that everyone will be excited to vote for. Myself, I’m perfectly comfortable with the idea that if Biden can’t finish the term, Harris is ready and able to take over.
rikyrah
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(@TWLadyGrey) posted at 7:36 AM on Mon, Jun 10, 2024:
*Biden does something people don’t like.*
Wine moms: we have to preserve abortion & LGBTQ rights.
Sane people: Trump is really bad
Black voters: Republicans are awful, can’t vote for them
Jews: We can’t enable fascism
Everyone else: WE MUST SACRIFICE EARTH TO PUNISH BIDEN!
(https://x.com/TWLadyGrey/status/1800144959196246398?t=wgEzFPI0-1MpaxWm4zfHrg&s=03)
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Andrew Weissmann was asked last week how many people were charged with this law when he was in the top ranks at DOJ and later at the FBI and he replied, “zero”.
clearly selective prosecution
smith
@SomeRandomGuy: And don’t forget that the drunken has-been (if we’re thinking of the same one) has well-known and obvious links to Russian disinformation agents who are perfectly capable of messing with a laptop hard drive even if he isn’t.
OzarkHillbilly
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
It’s ok. A very small number of libs say LatinX, so both sides.
smith
@Tazj: In addition to Gowdy, I believe Lindsey Graham has said something similar.
As to a cover-up, cover-up for what? I fail to see how convicting his son does anything at all to help Biden.
Ksmiami
@Spanky: I’m not a pacifist by nature. They want a fight, I say incinerate the fuckers.
Baud
@smith:
According to a tweet I saw on Reddit, this is Kabuki to make Trump’s legal troubles seem legit.
karen marie
@soapdish: I don’t understand why anyone reads her site. She desperately needs an editor. Every once in a while I see a headline for one of her posts, think it sounds interesting, but then I get there and it’s just impossible to figure out what’s important because it’s word vomit.
Citizen Alan
@Ishiyama: If he’d gotten on the stand, 100% of the government’s cross would have been about getting him to say stuff that could be used against Joe in ads.
Poe Larity
@SomeRandomGuy: The story is even crazier. I first read about it on Pat Lang’s blog. The store owner or his dad happened to be friends with another guy who’d been in law enforcement and asked what to do.
That guy’s son was… wait for it… Larry “Whitey Tape” Johnson. Who was a guest poster on Lang’s site.
And now you know the rest of the story.
Ken
I long ago gave up telling such people that mental health care is now covered under the ACA.
John S.
@smith:
You don’t speak wingnut.
Hunter getting convicted is proof that the DOJ is doing the bidding of the Biden Crime Family because they are just using him as a decoy to throw everyone off their scent.
John S.
@Baud:
Heads I win, tails you lose.
Mingobat (f/k/a KareninGA)
@gene108: I always thought this was about Republicans sending a message to anyone who would oppose them — “We’ll attack your most vulnerable loved ones.”
Very strong “Look what you made us do” vibes.
Baud
No point speculating about the laptop. Whatever Hunter’s attorney argued in the trial court will be a possible basis for appeal. We’ll see if they raise the issue and what they say.
schrodingers_cat
@rikyrah: Be prepared to get replies with #not all ww.
In some southern states like Alabama, more ww vote R than wm.
Baud
@John S.:
Doesn’t that encapsulate right wing thought to a T?
Elizabelle
I feel badly for President Biden. Whatever Hunter did, this very public prosecution would not have been brought were he not the president’s son.
There will be some grief about that, even if never expressed aloud.
And, that said, I am so glad Joe Biden is president, and I hope we run the table this fall and give him the House and Senate, so that he can continue his very important work.
Baud
@Elizabelle:
Yes.
Elizabelle
@Mingobat (f/k/a KareninGA): That’s exactly what it is.
We will go after your family.
smith
@John S.: And if he’d been acquitted, it would have been the Biden Crime Family looking after its own. The point of the exercise being the repetition of “Biden Crime Family.” I suppose there’s no point trying to make sense of it because the conclusion is already determined long before anything happens.
karen marie
@Elizabelle: What blew my mind was not that she said she had a “German background” but she said “I’m German.” I’m sorry, what?
rikyrah
Jessica Valenti (@JessicaValenti) posted at 5:57 PM on Mon, Jun 10, 2024:
In the newsletter tonight:
An anti-abortion group doxxed the people collecting signatures for a pro-choice measure in Arkansas, opening them up to harassment, threats & violence.
We’ve seen attacks on democracy in every state with a pro-choice ballot measure (link in bio)
(https://x.com/JessicaValenti/status/1800301253853065612?t=aR1AiTKAy4h-EAIQESMV5w&s=03)
OzarkHillbilly
snort.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
Should have called it Four Seasons Total Coffee.
Ruckus
Nazis of the first half of the prior century came at a different time. We do dramatically more, faster, better communications now than back then. We didn’t have the ability back then, for example, what we are doing right now. We can see and discuss events almost as they happen, it is far more difficult for governments to hide information. Even the military in my time, over 1/2 a century ago, did not have the communications levels/abilities we have today. Or transportation, or communications like we are doing now. Hell in my youth, not everyone or every home had a phone. Now we carry them with us and are able to call around the world on the go. And at a relatively lower price than decades ago.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Heh.
zhena gogolia
@Elizabelle: Good comment. This is what makes me sad, that he would never have been prosecuted if Biden weren’t president, and that has to be very hard for Biden.
jonas
@rikyrah: They’re pro-fetus. That’s it. Once the baby’s born, it can fuck right off.
Baud
@jonas:
Too generous. They don’t support prenatal health programs.
Chief Oshkosh
@Jay: Start with Eric and Junior.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@OzarkHillbilly:
run the gubmint like a business
gvg
@Poe Larity: Actually, they would love that because it would set a bad precedent. And they probably want this form to be overturned on appeal.
wjca
If he had been found Not Guilty, the headlines would have ended with “… here’s why that’s bad for Biden.” Right?
So, if a Not Guilty verdict would have been bad, a Guilty verdict simply must be good. Even if there’s no sane way to support that position.
Chief Oshkosh
@rikyrah:
Yeah, but we need a majority…
Tazj
@smith: I think it goes back to their talking points about Ukraine and foreign governments and corruption in the Biden administration because of Hunter Biden. Miller made some later Tweet that Hunter should have been charged under FARA as an unregistered foreign agent or something like that.They will throw anything out there.
He’s saying they are convicting him of this and this makes it seem as if the DOJ is unbiased when really they should have charged him with something much more serious. It doesn’t make sense but this what they want people to believe. The DOJ is incredibly devious and will do anything to cover up for Biden’s corruption.
I don’t think many normal people will fall for this.
rikyrah
𝓝𝓲𝓴𝓴𝓲 𝓑𝓪𝓻𝓷𝓮𝓼 (@NikkiBarnesFL) posted at 7:20 PM on Sun, Jun 09, 2024:
I’m starting to see too many men who are undesirable incels spout this “we need to return to the nuclear family” bullshit.
Just keep it 💯…you hate women and you want us to be FORCED to marry one of you milkdud head ass losers to have access to housing, bank accounts, credit cards, etc.
Y’all are some sick ass people.
(https://x.com/NikkiBarnesFL/status/1799959784604524722?t=94JrXog1L4_uaG7TE9J_7g&s=03)
Baud
@wjca:
That’s a good point. Frankly, from a crass political standpoint, a guilty verdict is probably better for us than a not guilty verdict.
brantl
@NotMax: Because he was convicted, where no ine else would have been charged.
rikyrah
Here For THEE Comments 1 (@forthecomments1) posted at 7:08 AM on Tue, Jun 11, 2024:
WP mad, mad, that Black people didn’t cancel Will for slapping Chris. They love Chris more than we do, because he’s their Minstrel man. Denzel called Chris the devil and said, “You finally did it”! Samuel said “My man, you slapped the 💩out of Chris”! They’re both laughing!😂
Portia ♍️ McGonagal (@PortiaMcGonagal) posted at 1:42 PM on Tue, Jun 11, 2024:
And this is what they can’t grok. We don’t eff w/ the Black people they love. Not Clarence/Bubba Gums,Head Rub, Candace, Nina, Eddie…doesn’t matter left or right. They think we run with anybody Black because they’re Black.
(https://x.com/PortiaMcGonagal/status/1800599401641169256?t=3NJj5o5Ky8UGJuuPEW29fg&s=03)
rikyrah
UH HUH
UH HUH
Jasmine Crockett’s Anger Translator (@Needle_of_Arya) posted at 9:54 PM on Mon, Jun 10, 2024:
“I’m a lifelong Democratic voter, but I’m going to choke on the Black candidate because I don’t think they can win” is some horrifying s**t from the 20th century and the main reason why my mother was afraid white people would do the same thing to Obama.
(https://x.com/Needle_of_Arya/status/1800360998013989139?t=4tqtx80Sz6u4ftuy9uu9sA&s=03)
Baud
@rikyrah:
First I heard that Chris Rock was on the outs with black people.
JoyceH
Just had the news on and the reporters were talking about what the jurors said when they were interviewed and some of them wondered why this case was ever brought etc. What I haven’t seen yet is any commentary on the fact that the jurors felt perfectly safe to identify themselves and speak publicly with reporters. That’s normal, of course, but… as my college essay tests used to say, ‘compare and contrast’.
John S.
@Baud:
Pretty much.
Jay
@rikyrah:
the “Nuclear Family” was possible, because most families could afford a house, a car, food, 3 kids on a single income because that one job paid a living wage*, had a pension, paid sick time, paid holidays, paid healthcare for the whole family, etc.
*here a single income living wage for a family of 5 would be $155,780 a year, plus benefits, but you still wouldn’t be able to afford a house**, instead of the median $41,800.
**median home prices here are $1,498,979 for a 3bdr, 1 1/2 bath house or condo.
John S.
@JoyceH:
What a contrast!
Clearly, some of the Biden jurors are not terrified of being attacked by some deranged lunatic who was egged on by the President.
Baud
@Jay:
Citation please?
SiubhanDuinne
@Soprano2:
I’ve completely lost track of how many trans-Atlantic air miles Dr. Jill has logged in just the last week.
Jay
@Baud:
the first link was David Brooks, but we will avoid that,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_family
By 1960, 77% of all children in the US were living in a “Nuclear Family”.
Martin
I don’t see the problem with this ruling. Yes, I think it was malicious prosecution, but Hunter really didn’t deny any of the elements of the crime, and focused on splitting hairs on the law. Trump similarly didn’t deny any of the elements of his crime.
Hunter fucked up and being the child of a powerful person, he got punished. If he were black, he wouldn’t need the powerful parent to get punished. I’m not going to be sad when entitled white people (even our entitled white people) get punished the same as others. Leveling the playing field, is, after all, the goal, and someone buying a gun isn’t going to get my sympathy.
trollhattan
@Baud: That’s the stuff!
Discovering “gourmet” coffee circa 2024 is very on-brand for Rudy. Next he’ll be flogging bespoke VHS players for the olds who have shopping bags of tapes in the basement.
Baud
@Jay:
What’s the percentage that had the economic situation you specified?
Also, what’s the percentage of nuclear families today?
trollhattan
@Jay: And yet, I never got my Christmas nuclear powerplant kit.
Harrison Wesley
@Baud: “The perfect grounds for compost!”
The Thin Black Duke
@Baud: I think Chris Rock jumped the shark when he “joked” about paying for the abortions of women he cheated on his wife with.
It’s… disappointing. Sometimes, especially when innovative comedians get successful and start making a truckload of money, they hit a hard ceiling and stop evolving.
Rock’s “Black people vs. Nigg*s” monologue is brilliant. His later material? Not so much.
Belafon
@Martin: The bad parts of it are that most of the stuff the prosecution got to do, such as passing around a black and white copy of a document that is written in different colored pens, would get the case thrown out for any other person.
Baud
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/05/family-households-still-the-majority.html
Martin
@Jay: That’s a little different from what you claimed. A nuclear family says nothing about affordability, just that they live with both parents independent of other generations. You can be a homeless nuclear family.
Baud
@The Thin Black Duke:
Thanks. I don’t really follow entertainment news. I’m just happy when they don’t turn into wing nuts.
Baud
@Harrison Wesley:
Heh.
Martin
@Belafon: Not any other person. Just any other person like the son of the president. I’m sure shit like that happens against public defenders all the damn time.
But it’s largely immaterial. Nobody is denying that Hunter bought the gun. The form is just a hair-splitting legal argument. Everyone knows he bought the gun, and everyone knows he shouldn’t have been able to buy the gun.
This isn’t one of those places where I think people are being treated unfairly, like a guy behind on his child support because the cops won’t stop pulling him over and causing him to lose his job. This is one of those places where way more white men need to be convicted for buying guns they shouldn’t be allowed to buy. This is one of those situation where I wish the feds would prosecute every case like this.
SiubhanDuinne
@Elizabelle:
All of this.
Manyakitty
@The Thin Black Duke: kind of like how Dave Chappelle used to be funny before he decided to identify as an aggrieved white man.
SiubhanDuinne
@OzarkHillbilly:
I’ll see your snort and raise you a pair of guffaws.
Dangerman
That’s just how rigged the Biden Justice system is; Dude sacrificed his own son. Brandon is a bastard.
/magat
Another Scott
Dunno if I’m surprised or not. My baseline assumption is the jury did its best.
Cheers,
Scott.
Jay
@Baud:
58% had the full economic situation,
another 22% were single income, renters.
18%
MisterForkbeard
@Martin: That’s my read. He did it, though some of the particulars (and the chain of evidence is particularly awful, and the judge was also clearly protected the prosecution from some mistakes and weaknesses of their case).
It was also selective prosecution and I wouldn’t be surprised if the judge threw the book at him. But I’m also not upset about the conviction itself. He did the thing and WAS selectively prosecuted, but he absolutely did it.
I’m hoping the sentencing is appropriately light for ‘he did a thing we never charge and he had the gun for 11 days’, paid his taxes back, etc. but I also wish most white-collar crime was pursued and charged like this. Break the law, do the restitution.
Omnes Omnibus
Well, why even have a trial then? Everyone knows so let’s just toss him in prison. FFS!
moonbat
@jonas: They are anti-slut. They aren’t pro-anything. They hate women.
jonas
CNN is saying some of the jurors are telling reporters they had no choice but to find him guilty based on the evidence — whaddyagonnado? — but they thought bringing the case was bullshit and that he doesn’t deserve to go to jail over it.
Can you imagine if federal prosecutors started going after everyone who lied on that line in their gun license form? I mean a law’s a law, and, all things being equal, we probably should keep firearms away from drug addicts. But since when has anybody ever been prosecuted under it when it wasn’t to enhance another, more significant charge?
MisterForkbeard
@jonas: This sounds like an entirely reasonable take
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@MisterForkbeard:
That summarizes my take on this.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@MisterForkbeard: @jonas:
That is a reasonable take. The law is the law. I’ll continue to say that no matter who gets prosecuted over it. He shouldn’t go to jail over it and I hope he successfully appeals.
Baud
@Jay:
58% of families had this?
JPL
@jonas: CNN just reported that trump still has a gun and is a convicted felon. just shit
Spanky
@JPL: The fact that CNN reported it is noteworthy, though I know it shouldn’t be.
Jay
@jonas:
the form check box is not only for drug addicts, it covers any use at any time in the past of the scheduled drugs, so it would only apply to 90%+ of gun owners in the US.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/atf-form-4473-firearms-transaction-record-revisions
Jackie
@Baud: I was just going to point that out. No detectable heartbeat? Tough. Carry dead fetus until it expels itself. Mom-to-be hemorrhaging? A judge will decide, NOT the doctor. Fetus has no brain? Tough shit.
UncleEbeneezer
When she’s right, she’s right. AOC on Twitter:
Josh Marshall is even more right:
Jay
@Baud:
According to the US Census Bureau, yes.
Yutsano
Open thread?
I finally got back to my place from Chicago about 0100. Then I had to wake up at 0430 (which turned into 0440 & almost a sick day) then dragged my butt to the office so I could attend training. I did fall asleep once but fortunately my camera wasn’t on. Am now thinking about the various tasks I need to accomplish after work. That’s a future me problem though.
Oh and I had a fantastic time in Chicago. I never made it into the city proper but I did get some deep-dish pizza. I’m going to try and attend this event next year and maybe come a couple days early to actually see some of the city next time.
cain
@Poe Larity: and then get the NRA to come in and help defend. That should be fun – watch them decline and then we can attack them with the NRA doesn’t truly believe in 2A. It’ll be fun.
Run that shit straight to the supreme court and make everyone uncomfortable.
Baud
Not sure about the site, but
Baud
@Jay:
Do you have a link?
The Thin Black Duke
@Manyakitty: (mic drop)
lowtechcyclist
@Spanky: WAY off topic, any idea what’s happening off Rt 4 just north of Huntingtown, just S of Ponds Wood Rd? Traffic backed up a mile or two northbound, a couple dozen cop cars
Baud
@UncleEbeneezer:
?
cain
@Jay: Yes! If you gonna weaponize the justice system for htat – might as well start using it to go after 2A people and make the NRA react.
Sister Golden Bear
@jonas: Not even that. If they were truly pro-fetus they be supporting pre-natal care. It’s about forced birth (and punishing those sluts who want abortions because of their slutty, slut sluttishness).
Martin
@Omnes Omnibus: Did I suggest that? Did I even suggest that I would have any different attitude if the jury found him not guilty?
I’m not obligated to be invested in the outcome of this case. I’m not obligated to substitute my sense of what is just with what is legal, and the outcome of trials often don’t reflect what is just, and even more the lack of a trial doesn’t make an act stop being unjust.
I’m also not going to be broken up over a political prosecution when we all goddamn well know that there are a near infinite number of prosecutions that never happen due to politics.
O. Felix Culpa
@Baud: The day of the Hamas attack, including the slaughter of young people at the Nova music festival. Over 360 people were killed there.
ETA: The exhibit referenced to by AOC and Josh Marshall was in NYC, in commemoration of that event. The protestors did not cover themselves in glory.
Steve in the ATL
@Yutsano:
TOURIST!
@Baud:
It was covered in the newsletter. I get a courtesy copy as a labor and employment lawyer.
Martin
@lowtechcyclist: I wanna nominate this for a rotating tag because it’s the most bananas and both innocuous OT post I’ve ever seen. Imagining Ms Martin logging on here and me asking her in the comments what she wanted for dinner.
Spanky
@lowtechcyclist: Local traffic on a top 10000 blog! I love it!
Not a clue, mate
ETA Google Maps pinpointed it to the Walnut Creek intersection. My guess is that someone fucked up.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@cain: Well, if more people were arrested on the same gun charges Biden was arrested on, we’d have more MAGAt felons who couldn’t vote.
Baud
@O. Felix Culpa:
I meant, what the relevance of posting it today?
Jay
Rest of planet stunned to learn that the US even has gun laws.//
cain
@jonas: But now they’ve set a precedent. I hope gun owners now know that thanks to Hunter Biden – if they lied on that form that the govt is coming after them
eg if it can happen to Hunter BIden, it can happen to you!!!
O. Felix Culpa
@Baud: Because the badly-behaved, blatantly anti-semitic protests just happened.
CBS link.
Spanky
@cain:
UNpossible. My dad’s not the preznit.
Steve in the ATL
@Martin:
“This is a court of law, not a court of justice.”
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
Regardless, the prosecution still has to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt while following the established rules of criminal prosecution and trials. There are legitimate questions about whether that occurred in this trial that will be, as Omnes astutely (!) noted, will likely be addressed on appeal. Dismissing these rules–“technicalities”–is the province of vigilantes and other scofflaws.
O. Felix Culpa
@Steve in the ATL:
Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!
Baud
@O. Felix Culpa:
Gotcha. Thanks.
Steve in the ATL
Same guy also said “Three generations of imbeciles are enough.” Impressive that Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. anticipated the Bush and Trump families.
JPL
Local news has been busy today, so just a little Hunter coverage. First shooting at Peachtree Center food court and now the police are following a bus in Gwinett. It’s great to live in the Atlanta area today. No Hunter news
Captain C
@hitchhiker:
So…she’s asking us to carpet bomb her house and then send in an enormous ground attack force to finish the job on her family? After which we try her and her shitty husband on charges of crimes against humanity and justice?
Omnes Omnibus
@Martin: You at the very least implied that the validity of some of the evidence presented at trial did not matter because we all know he did it. It came off as the same kind of comment that people make about someone ”getting off on a technicality” when that technicality just happens to be a Constitutional right. It pisses me off.
Ruckus
@rikyrah:
Truth.
Steve in the ATL
@JPL:
did you see Keanu? Are they filming “Speed 3: the Senior Bus Pass”? Maybe at that same mall in Gwinnett where they filmed “Stranger Things”?
zhena gogolia
@Spanky: I love it too.
lowtechcyclist
@Spanky:
Must’ve been a pretty dangerous sort of fuckup – I had no idea there were that many cop cars in the whole freakin’ county.
We were heading north on 4, but we were finally able to make a U-turn and go around by Plum Point Rd and 261 to get back to our end of the county. We saw one cop who had to have been pulled in off duty, he was in shorts and t-shirt. I was in the back seat – the kiddo was driving as he works toward his 60 supervised hours for his provisional license, and my wife was riding shotgun – and I’m exhausted from the trip even though I didn’t have to do anything.
JPL
@Steve in the ATL: Well they surrounded the bus. In the olden days CNN would have been on the news too, but now Atlanta is just a small crew.
well we know we didn’t commandeer the bus.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: see also:
OWH, Jr is a goldmine of wisdom!
Baud
@Steve in the ATL:
Process crime!
Omnes Omnibus
@O. Felix Culpa: Meh, we probably agree on music, men’s fashion, criminal law, and the liberal arts college fraternity system.
JaySinWA
Are you sure it was a cop and not a perpetrator in a stolen police car
ETA I wonder if he is a cop if he will be reprimanded for being out of uniform.
Steve in the ATL
@JPL:
since Gwinnett is heavily populated with Latino/Latina/LatinX/LatinY/LatinZ immigrants, I assume the lawmen surrounding the bus were Texas and South Dakota national guardsmen?
sab
@Omnes Omnibus: I agree wholeheartedly.
I believe Hunter fucked up but that is just because my stepson used to fuck up in his druggie days.
But they need to prove it. That is the whole point of a trial in this country. Not just charge, or indict. Prove it with good evidence.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: “I like to pay taxes. With them, I buy civilization.”
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Since it’s an open thread:
Why was the absurdity of the classified documents case with Cannon allowed to happen? Why wasn’t she removed a long time ago? She’s clearly biased and always was. I understand the crime happened in her district, but wasn’t there another judge that this case could’ve been assigned to? Who even assigned this case to her given her prior history?
My father remarked the other day that to him, it seemed like there was no sense of urgency. He couldn’t understand why Smith hadn’t rushed to the 11th Circuit to have her removed after this BS hearing for the 21st
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: true. Did you see Baud’s recent post that he would ban European History classes? Not sure if his plan will be retroactive, but thankfully I had enough classes for a concentration in African and Asian History so I may be able to keep my degree in the coming Baud! administration. If not, I look forward to playing Jeff Winger in the updated “Community”.
thruppence
OT (in an open thread?) Going to the local Juneteenth celebration on Sunday, though I am severely melanin deprived, have to wear lots of sunscreen and a big hat. Maybe someone there will be selling even bigger hats.
trollhattan
Dark Brandon plays the global oil market, forces crude price down, then earns a shitton for the US Treasury buying back on the cheap.
https://digbysblog.net/2024/06/11/the-greatest-oil-trader-ever/
In conclusion, Joe Biden is old.
Martin
@Steve in the ATL: And yet, I can trust the jury to have done their job competently. If there are grounds for appeal, I trust Hunter will avail himself of that opportunity. Again, I have no investment in the outcome.
Maybe it’s just that a prominent LA individual was sentenced to 15 to life for running down a couple of teenagers in a crosswalk, and I’m just in a general ‘bends toward justice’ vibe today as guns and cars are usually Americas worst legal blind spots.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus:
that’s a great one for this day and age. Little known fact: Digital Underground used one of his quotes without attribution:
VeniceRiley
@HumboldtBlue: thanks I loved that!
TBone
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/06/violent-kansas-felon-throws-his-hat-ring
🤡🤡🤡
lowtechcyclist
@Martin:
Let’s just put it this way: I’ve lived in this county for 25 years, and this is the first time I’ve seen more than maybe five cop cars in one place. Today there were two dozen. So it was a bit more out of the routine than what’s for dinner, and Googling wasn’t turning up a damned thing.
Baud
@TBone:
Awesome. Great troll.
TBone
@trollhattan: I was told on this very blog that gas prices are still too high when I posted about that.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@TBone:
Supposedly, according to 50 Cent of all people, black men relate to Donald Trump because he’s a felon!
I can’t even with that shit. When people become rich, most of them become incredibly out of touch
Baud
@Martin:
Do you have any idea how many comments we would have. 1 Ms Martin would = 2 TBoggs.
satby
@Yutsano: the city proper is way more awesome than Schaumburg. Give us a heads up and we’ll have a welcome party 🎉
TBone
@Baud: it would be, except
lowtechcyclist
@JaySinWA:
We saw him pull up and get out of his car and go over to talk to one of the other cops; he was a late arrival. Perps usually try to avoid a large gathering of cops.
Baud
@TBone:
Via reddit
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: I was a government major, so I am safe for now. My course on the Soviet System and Soviet Foreign Policy will come in handy soon.
sabting them and maintaining them when they decided
We might be buying a new (to us) house this month. Not big. Just more sensible.
Figuring out the finances. We have the money to close now so we will. My thinking is a one floor ranch house is a lot cheaper than a nursing home, when you cannot maintain your three storey big house with landscaped yard.
I don’t have that but my parents did and I have spent twenty years protecting them and maintaining them (and their fucking yard) when they decided they couldn’t move to somewhere more sensible. Mom died in bed, but Dad went on to a nursing home when he could have stayed home in a house more suited to his physical limitations.
Baud
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Have you considered that it’s the rest of us who are out of touch with rich people?
Harrison Wesley
@TBone: Felons of the world, unite! Hey, I kinda like it.
trollhattan
@TBone: Price range is spectacular; but, given fuel supply is regional and fuel blends are too, that’s always going to be the case.
My slice of California is above five bucks. But car’s in the shop so, whee, not using any! Incentive to get an EV remains as high as that gas price.
The country running out of crude is a whole other matter entirely.
TBone
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Unless I see evidence to the contrary, I’ma go with that’s a lie paid for by Dotard or his minions.
I bet it cost them more than fifty cents.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: I knew that.
Baud
@TBone:
I thought it said nonviolent crime. I read too quickly.
Mai Naem mobile
I honestly don’t care. In a way I wish Hunter wouldn’t appeal because even if he gets prison time it will be with secret service(chances are he’ll get house arrest or probation.) I’m assuming it would be a very short sentence. If god forbid TFG wins, Dark Brandon can pardon him. At the same time the GOPigs will never be happy with whatever Hunter gets so he might as well appeal.
Omnes Omnibus
@Martin: Some of us have a strong interest in the process.
TBone
@Baud: I know that! I was mansplained by someone here that gas was still $5+ per gallon! I checked with my hubby who is a gas price encyclopedia, who knows the daily gas price (up to $3.69 from $3.62 the other day).
We’re not close to any refinery here in central PA either, it’s gotta be shipped in.
Yes, I’m aware that gas prices are regional!!!
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus:
I miss the days when SCOTUS’ sound was laid down by the Underground. Le sigh.
Citizen Alan
@Martin: I disagree. There is a concept in criminal law called mens rea or “guilty mind.” For most crimes, you have to know that you are performing the acts that constitute the crime (you might not realize it was legal, ignorance of the law and all that; but you have to know that you intentionally did the thing). And I question whether a drug addict who is trying to get cleaned up is capable of fully appreciating the fact that he is, at that moment, a “drug user not allowed to own a gun” within the meaning of the statute.
Spanky
@JaySinWA: As with a number of rural counties around here, the deputies have their patrol cars 24/7.
(Autocorrect wanted to make that “patrol cats”, and that’s ok too. )
TBone
@Harrison Wesley: 😆🤔
I’m a mere misdemeanor, dang it!
Mai Naem mobile
@lowtechcyclist: i know nothing about your area. My guess is a cop or cops have been injured/killed in some kind of confrontation.
Steve in the ATL
@Spanky:
“Boots, do you copy? There is a crowd at the birdfeeder at 32 Elm Street.”
“Copy that, Tiger–on my way. I’ll leave your dinner on the doorstep.”
Coming this fall on Animal Planet and the CW!
ETA: ok, probably time to step away from the keyboard….
lowtechcyclist
@O. Felix Culpa:
I’m about as fed up with Israel as a person can be, but those assholes can go fuck themselves. None of the October 7th victims deserved such a horrible fate, and nobody should be celebrating their deaths.
TBone
@Citizen Alan: that point makes me mad. As a person who has kicked (almost all the) drugs myself, I’d answer the question just like Hunter did. Only difference is, if I need a gun, one will be given to me for free. And my last name isn’t Biden.
I don’t need one unless Civil War II breaks out.
Spanky
@Steve in the ATL: I’ve got my patrol cats 24/7, and I’m not even a cop.
(Now it wants it to be “payroll cats”. )
TBone
@Spanky: I have playroll cats.
Steve in the ATL
”Chillax, Tiger, I’m bringing it. Don’t want to get my dinner from a garbage can!”
ETA: if I were doing this on my work computer, HR would probably be doing a mandatory EAP referral right about now….
Steve in the ATL
@TBone: sorry, I have exhausted my reservoir of cat tv pilots. Someone else will have to step up. Or down.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@TBone:
Could be. 50 Cent has a history of being a political flake:
Will
Feel like this was one of the best days for the Biden campaign so far.
Every time that fat fuck talks about the system being rigged, Biden hits him with the same system that is putting my only living son in jail and that I will not pardon him.
Steve in the ATL
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): sounds like he needs a postcard from Mousebumples!
prostratedragon
@Baud: ‘cepting I think the Total Landscapers are still in business.
TBone
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): we have a word for that, but I’ll use the polite one.
Flibbertigibbet
Harrison Wesley
@Steve in the ATL: It would have to be multiple choice.
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Some people with “experience”, (IANAL) believe that the Federalist Society is instructing loose Cannon on how to slow walk the trial and basically engage in “obstruction”, and that Jack Smith can’t take anything anymore to the 11th, because she is not doing anything, other than sitting on her ass and delaying ruleing on anything that he could take to the 11th as cause.
TBone
@Steve in the ATL: Toonces is a pilot, isn’t he?
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): there was a time when two bits meant something
TBone
About those gas prices 😆
Looks like my guv grew a pair on live TV 💙
https://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2024/06/stop-s-talking-america-gov-shapiro
Harrison Wesley
@Jay: That sounds depressingly believable.
TBone
@Harrison Wesley: I have no doubts about it – she’s taking marching
powderordersGoku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jay:
Thanks for the explanation. However, her obstructionism is clearly in bad faith. That’s clear to anyone with eyes. It’s ridiculous that a judge can do this shit and nobody can do anything about it
TBone
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): they can, they are choosing not to.
Propublica, are you listening???
Mr. Bemused Senior
Aha, a 🎶song cue
Harrison Wesley
@TBone: Marching powder? Well,it is Florida, where mysterious shipments have a way of being scooped out of the Gulf. Although somebody would have to be the world’s worst smuggler to have your cargo snagged by the mayor(and former police chief) of Tampa.
Jay
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/11/chiquita-banana-deaths-lawsuit-colombia
CocaCola skated years ago on the similar charges, but worse. The worst that happened to them was a few colleges pulled their vending machines for a while.
Steve in the ATL
@Mr. Bemused Senior: I knew that would not go unnoticed here!
Baud
@Jay: Maybe the war on terror has a silver lining.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@Steve in the ATL: I❤️BJ
Steve in the ATL
@Jay: was the CIA a co-defendant?
Yutsano
Well now…Biden isn’t the only figure dealing with a felon in the family. Of course, at least Joe is still talking to the children he raised.
Jay
@Harrison Wesley:
The product is so cheap at the point of origin, that it is cheaper to dump a load, than pay lawyers fees. There are also techniques used, where you dump a load, and another vessel picks it up. Sometimes the bales get lost.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Steve in the ATL:
Yeah!
@TBone:
I’d call him a tool, personally. He’s a conservative-leaner who backtracked when he got backlash
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
@TBone:
She has to do something “wrong”, she’s not doing anything. Endless delay is a loophole.
See Kalief Browder.
Bill Arnold
@SomeRandomGuy:
I have snapped at RWers a few times on twitter about exactly this subject.
Another angle is that there is no forensic physical evidence publicly disclosed (that I’ve found) that “the laptop” was ever possessed by Hunter Biden. If, for instance, the keyboard and cooling system air intakes had been tested for his DNA, and Hunter Biden’s DNA showed up, the FBI would have said so or it would have been leaked.
Jackie
Pearl clutching ensuing with Faux News viewers.
Apparently Neil Cavuto had Paul Ryan on today. Ryan told Cavuto TCFG was UNFIT for office AND he had betrayed his Oath to The Constitution!!!
Get out the smelling salts and grab a fan!
Baud
@Jay:
Glancing at Reddit, I guess there’s some drama going on with Canadian anti-immigrant right wingers getting banned or reported.
Baud
@Jackie:
Ugh. I hate having to appreciate people like Paul Ryan and Mike Pence.
Chief Oshkosh
@lowtechcyclist: Bus on the run…!
Where’s Paul when you need ‘I’m?
https://www.wsaz.com/2024/06/11/live-police-pursue-transit-bus-high-speed-chase-near-atlanta
ETA: McCartney, not Ryan
Jackie
@Yutsano: 😳
I’m mopping up spluttered coffee…
This is going to be 🤔 when the MSM gets a hold of this!
Lily
RFK Jr. warns Trump conviction will ‘backfire’ on Democrats and is ‘bad for our democracy’
Looking forward to the sage’s insights on Hunter’s conviction.
Jay
@Baud:
We don’t have “Free Speech” in Canada. We have semi well regulated speech.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Lily:
Kennedys are cursed. One after another has a hole in their head🐛
Dan B
@rikyrah: The logic in The Fearless Fund case seems to be that because of civil rights all people must be treated equally, even if that’s not happening. .5 % of VC funding going to black businesses, not a problem. 2% of VC funds going to women owned businesses, please don’t look at that data!
Outrageous to use the law to freeze inequity in place!
Manyakitty
@The Thin Black Duke: it’s a shame, really.
Lily
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: He was raised by raptors who taught him glaring and squawking.
Bill Arnold
@Jay:
All of the few GOP gun owners I know smoke pot. I am pretty sure that they did so when they filled out this form.
(PDF)
f. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside. Yes No
Manyakitty
@Baud: so rude. They must really have nothing left to lose. Either that, or they see polling that tells them he’s toast. Pence may not care at this point, but I bet Ryan still thinks he does.
Manyakitty
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: too soon? Too soon! 🤣
brantl
@Martin: This bullshit isn’t ever charged, unless an actual crime is committed with the gun. That’s why it’s bullshit.
gene108
@Dan B:
To paraphrase: The law makes no difference between the rich or the poor in denying people the privilege of sleeping under the bridge.
A lot of what we consider bad jurisprudence from the post-Civil War era to the Warren Court seems to be based on the above notion. The law is applied equally even though not everyone in society is treated the same under these laws.
Conservatives want to return to this type of jurisprudence.
TBone
@Jay:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/06/trump-indictment-remove-judge-aileen-cannon.html
She is not an untouchable on the Supremacists Court. She should be forced to recuse, especially since she’s allowed amici who have nothing to do with this case horn in on whether Jack Smith was “legally” appointed.
Jay
@TBone:
In theory, the law “requires” a Judge to recuse themselves, of their own choice.
Loose Cannon isn’t going to do that.
Until Loose Cannon makes a ruling, that can be brought up to the 11th, (which she won’t), she cannot be removed from the trial.
She has for example, allowed an amici filing by wingnuts, but has not ruled either way on the filing. So it’s just another stack of paper in the almost massive stack of paper on her “desk” that she is not ruleing on.
50% Federalist stalling, 50% Sovereign Citizen paper terrorism.
Jay
@TBone:
eg. Judge Maryellen Noreika.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Manyakitty: Pence told Ryan, “we must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.”
Another Scott
@Bill Arnold: Caffeine??!!
[eta:] Ok, there’s the “unlawful” part very, very, very early on.
Run-on sentences like that invite misunderstanding.
Plus, I’m reminded of one of the Clinton depositions where the opposing lawyer used the present tense and Bill was truthful when he said “no” because it ended months before.
Law makers need take some “how to write clearly” classes.
Cheers,
Scott.
Sherparick
@smith: That does appear to be the Republican theory of the case. Alternately, their theory is that Trump & all Republicans are above the law & only protected by it while Democrats, liberals, & minorities criminal traitors to Real America by mere fact that they are not Republicans.