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Per the NYTimes, “Trump Wasn’t Going to Stay in Milwaukee. Then Reporters Asked.”: [gift link]:

When Republicans gather in Milwaukee next month to nominate him for president, Donald J. Trump planned to stay not in the convention’s host city but at a Trump hotel in Chicago, some 90 miles away, according to three people briefed on the former president’s logistics.

That changed midafternoon on Tuesday, after reporters for The New York Times and an ABC station in Chicago contacted his campaign for comment.

Mr. Trump now intends to stay in Milwaukee, two of the people briefed on his logistics said. The change avoids a perceived slight to the largest city in Wisconsin, a vital battleground state.

Mr. Trump has been on the defensive about his views on Milwaukee since news outlets reported last week that he had called it a “horrible” city in a private meeting with House Republicans in Washington…

The initial decision for Mr. Trump to spend his nights at the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago was made partly because of his own preference and partly because of security and logistics concerns, according to one of the people with knowledge of the Chicago plan. All of the people insisted on anonymity to discuss sensitive planning arrangements.

Mr. Trump has over the years generally preferred to sleep at his own properties while campaigning, and in his 2016 run for president, he sometimes flew hundreds of miles to sleep in his own bed. It also remains possible that Mr. Trump’s plans could change again before the convention starts on July 15…

Mr. Trump lost Wisconsin to President Biden by roughly 20,000 votes in 2020, an outcome fueled in part by suburban Milwaukee voters shifting their support to Mr. Biden. The state, which Mr. Trump won in 2016, has been a critical focus of both the Trump and Biden campaigns.

Mr. Trump continues to maintain falsely that voting in Milwaukee, a solidly Democratic city, was rife with fraud, even as a nonpartisan audit found no evidence to support the claim.

He also criticized Milwaukee during the 2020 campaign, calling it politically corrupt and citing it as an example of urban decay and violence that he said were out of control, as he appealed for support to white suburbanites…

Politico adds:

… Convention organizers promised last year that all the state delegations would stay in hotels within the borders of Wisconsin, a key battleground state. They also suggested Republicans fly in and out of the Milwaukee airport, avoiding Illinois as a blue state that isn’t “politically in our corner,” Elise Dickens, CEO of the Republican National Convention, told POLITICO in December.

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  2. 2.

    A Ghost to Most

    He can charge the government for all those Secret Service rooms when he stays at his own place. Always be grifting.

  4. 4.

    Ken

    Ron Filipkowski is close. The RNC is a well-greased machine, and I think we all know whose palm is getting greased.

  5. 5.

    SiubhanDuinne

    It also remains possible that Mr. Trump’s plans could change again before the convention starts on July 15…

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  9. 9.

    dmsilev

    Chicago doesn’t want him either.

    Maybe he can commute in from some pro-Trump big city like, umm, hang on (Googles partisan lean of US cities), Oklahoma City.

  11. 11.

    Leto

    Has anyone heard of the https://civiqs.com polling website before? I received a text from them asking for me to participate in their poll. I looked at their website, didn’t exactly raise any red flags, but want the collective knowledge base here to weigh in.

  12. 12.

    karen marie

    Stupid motherfuckers.

    You just know that Trump already booked the rooms at his hotel in Chicago and will be charging the Secret Service whether they stay there or not.

  13. 13.

    TBone

    Oh 😳 this poor woman. fElon needs to stop torturing monkeys AND his employees.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/neuralink-employee-scratched-monkeys-infected-164049954.html

    More than a dozen current and former employees who spoke to Reuters said that pressure from Musk to accelerate development resulted in botched experiments.

    Such failed tests have had to be repeated, increasing the number of animals being tested and killed, the employees say.

    In all, the company has killed about 1,500 animals, including more than 280 sheep, pigs and monkeys, following experiments since 2018, according to records reviewed by Reuters and sources with direct knowledge of the company’s animal-testing operations.

    The sources characterized that figure as a rough estimate because the company does not keep precise records on the number of animals tested and killed.

  15. 15.

    Scout211

    This Trump campaign (number three!) seems different than his previous campaigns.

    Are the reporters more aggressive? Maybe.  I hope so.

    But my memory of his attitude in the previous campaign was a more arrogant Trump who wouldn’t change where he stays from his branded hotel to one in Milwaukee just because it was a bad look that reporters asked his campaign about. He was all about “who cares/fuck you.”

    What is happening here? A weaker Trump mentally? Probably.

    Internal polling that indicates a need to capture more moderates? Maybe.

    Better campaign staff? Maybe, but they still have Trump as the candidate.

    I don’t know but it seems like he is softer and less arrogant weaker this time.  Maybe it was all the felonies.

    ETA. correction.

  16. 16.

    bbleh

    “An RNC source denounced reports of Trump’s remarks about Milwaukee and his plans to stay in Chicago, saying they were ‘all lies’ and ‘just a bunch of Jew — I mean immigrant, immigrant — loving haters who were lying because they hate Trump, and America also, too.’

    An anonymous spokesman for the RNC denounced the report of the remarks as “all lies.”

  18. 18.

    HumboldtBlue

    Racist sunspot and far-right Trump adviser Steve Bannon won’t be spending his upcoming time in the clink at Club Fed, according to sources who spoke with CNN. Bannon and his legal team had expected he’d go to a minimum-security prison camp, which is still not a walk in the park, but where conditions are more comfortable and relaxed than most. As it turns out, Bannon is ineligible because he still has an open criminal case against him, and will instead report to a low-security prison—with the possibility of doing time at Rikers.

  20. 20.

    scav

    So, ummm, the loss of airport fees for landing in O’Hare resulting from convention traffic will doom Doom DOOM! the city of Chicago?

    oh.

    The horror.

  21. 21.

    OzarkHillbilly

    I posted this up in the morning thread Adam, thought you might appreciate it:

    ‘This country gave me a lot’: the Vietnamese people staying in Ukraine

    When Russia invaded Ukraine two years ago, Tung Nguyen drove his parents from their home, in the city of Chernihiv, to the border with Poland. Then, he returned to Kyiv and began to volunteer, bringing food and medicines to under-siege Chernihiv. Before long, he had decided to sign up and fight in the Ukrainian army.

    Nguyen is part of Ukraine’s Vietnamese community, a sizeable but often hidden minority in the country. Some Vietnamese people left Ukraine after the Russian invasion, but others have stayed, particularly those from the younger generation, many of whom were born in Ukraine and are Ukrainian citizens.

    Nguyen was raised in Hanoi by his grandparents, but he came to join his parents in Chernihiv when he was 18. He studied in Kyiv, learned Russian, and began working as a fitness trainer and bodybuilder. In 2019, he won the all-Ukraine championship, and was given citizenship so he could compete for the country on the international arena.

    “Ukraine gave me a lot – I studied here, worked here, I married a Ukrainian. I can’t even say it’s my second homeland at this point, it’s just my homeland,” he said, in a Skype interview from his location at an army base.

    Last May, he was wounded during the Ukrainian retreat from Bakhmut, while retrieving wounded comrades from close to the frontline under cover of night. Incoming artillery left him with cuts and severe internal bleeding, and he ended up spending a month in hospital. He returned to the front and was wounded again in December, requiring another two months of recovery. Now, he is back fighting again.

    The two years of full-scale war has seen Ukrainians from across the country come together in the face of the Russian threat, and the country’s Vietnamese community is no exception. At least one Ukrainian soldier of Vietnamese origin has already been killed in the war, and Nguyen said the community rallied in solidarity when he was wounded.

    More at the link.

    eta: not sure why I am around at this hour.

  23. 23.

    geg6

    @Leto:

    They are an online polling operation owned by Kos Media.  For online polling, it’s one of the better ones.

  24. 24.

    Starfish

    @Leto: I went to 538 to see if they had used that poll, and they say it is a Democratically funded poll, and the sponsor is The DailyKos. Here is where I saw all that

    And @geg6 got there faster.

  26. 26.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @zhena gogolia: ​ Yep, I figured it out, but thanx for being there to set me straight in case my sleep deprived brain went stupid.

    Wait a minute, it already did.

  28. 28.

    Jackie

    @John Revolta:

    If there’s any justice in this wicked world, Trump will be spending the convention at Mar-a-Lego with some KFC and an ankle bracelet

    Disagree. TCFG would love nothing more than speak via Zoom to Milwaukee from MAL – surrounded by his favorite and most loyal sycophants. Sleeping in his own bed, eating overcooked food from his personal chef fast food cook.

  29. 29.

    karen gail

    I lived in Milwaukee as a child and since it was the 50’s it was a booming town, if there were bad parts I was too young to know about them.

    I lived in Milwaukee in the 80’s and there were good parts and bad parts, the same as any other big city; there were sections where I kept windows rolled up and doors locked, but I did that when visited any big city.

    I doubt that Milwaukee is that much different from any big mid west city; some places a female doesn’t walk alone and some places even a child alone is safe. What I do know from the relatives that still live in Wisconsin is that the racism has gotten worse, the hatred of anyone different has gotten worse, and some of the family who are into organic on their farms are feeling the pressure to sell. What is worse those who live in areas where cities have spread to the country taxes are eating them alive as they are finding themselves no longer living in rural but in suburban areas without moving.

  30. 30.

    tam1MI

    @scav:

    So, ummm, the loss of airport fees for landing in O’Hare resulting from convention traffic will doom Doom DOOM! the city of Chicago?

    oh.

    The horror.

    Wait until they find out that like, 95% of all the flights coming in to Milwaukee connect through O’Hare.

  31. 31.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @TBone: This is how the new Planet of the Apes franchise starts, isn’t it?

    (I haven’t seen any of them yet, only trailers).

    In all, the company has killed about 1,500 animals, including more than 280 sheep, pigs and monkeys,

    So the Animal Revolution is going to have a broader demographic than just apes I guess.

  32. 32.

    tam1MI

    Reposting this from downstairs, a tale of another city that begins with “Mi…”:

    The city that led the charge to “Defund the Police” has turned against the idea.

    You may think it’s about white NIMBY types having a hissy fit, but what it is really about is Black folks who were never consulted about the idea making their opinions known:

    “I heard a lot of White activists purport to be speaking on behalf of communities of color. And I was listening to them — listening to communities of color — and they weren’t saying the same things,” Frey said. “I’d walk down the street and I’d hear from White people, ‘Defund the police! Defund the police!’ And then I’d hear from a Black person a half block later, ‘Hey, we really need to have some additional help.’”

    This article should really be covered by a front pager, but in the absence of that happening, read the whole thing. It is fascinating and sobering and many parts reflect what people in this very comment section have said.

  33. 33.

    gene108

    @Mapaghimagsik:

    Was their team this bad in 2016?

    Yes, but they had huge assists from various entities.

    The MSM going nuts over Hillary’s emails, and uncritically repeating the hacked DNC emails Russia fed to Wikileaks. People in his campaign like Manafort and Rudy did meet with people closely linked to Putin, which did help Putin’s disinformation campaign, as they were fed information from these contacts. Peter Thiel provided data mining services to the campaign, which helped them micro target ads on social media platforms like Facebook.

    Manafort can’t get near Trump because they are both convicted felons. Rudy’s burned through whatever good reputation he once had. Russia tried to launder their disinformation about the “Biden Crime Family” through James Comer, but it blew up in Comer’s face thanks to the Democrats on that committee and Comer’s main source of information being from a Russian spy. David Pecker isn’t running negative stories about Trump’s opponents anymore.

    In short, the outside actors that really shored up Trump’s 2016 campaign, are not significant players this year.

  34. 34.

    Jeffro

    not OT for once: I have a question for the Jackaltariat

    Let’s say one’s young adult daughter, as part of her public policy Master’s program, is going to be attending the RNC this summer along with a dozen of her fellow students.

    What would your guidance be to her?  (We’ve already talked about various RWNJ groups and their logos/signs/etc to watch out for; have also discussed at length the need to figure out how NOT to be taken for ‘the fake news media’, both inside and outside the convention)

    What else?

    I have a feeling between the debate and trumpov’s sentencing, all hell’s going to break loose on the right.

  35. 35.

    Elizabelle

    Eugene Vindman projected to win the Democratic primary to replace retiring Rep.  Abigail Spanberger.  Who will run for Virginia governor next year.

    I think Vindman can win and hold that seat.

  36. 36.

    Jeffro

    PS: from the early results, it looks like the GOP’s VA-05 primary is going to be close, yet still go to McGuire.  I can’t tell you how happy that makes me.  =)

    #FBG

  37. 37.

    tam1MI

    Looks like the WASHINGTON POST has gotten itself into a spot of hot water:

    New ‘Washington Post’ chiefs can’t shake their past in London

    In five short months, new Washington Post chief executive and publisher Will Lewis has seeded the senior ranks of the paper’s management with at least five former close colleagues. The most recent is Robert Winnett, who worked with Lewis at two papers in the U.K. and is to start as the top editor over the Post’s core newsroom after the November elections.

    Winnett is the deputy editor of the Telegraph Media Group in Britain.

    A vast chasm divides common practices in the fiercely competitive confines of British journalism, where Lewis and Winnett made their mark, and what passes muster in the American news media. In several instances, their alleged conduct would raise red flags at major U.S. outlets, including The Washington Post.

    Among the episodes: a six-figure payment for a major scoop; planting a junior reporter in a government job to secure secret documents; and relying on a private investigator who used subterfuge to secure private documents from their computers and phones. The investigator was later arrested.

    On Saturday evening, The New York Times disclosed a specific instance in which a former reporter implicated both Lewis and Winnett in reporting that he believed relied on documents that were fraudulently obtained by a private investigator.

  39. 39.

    Elizabelle

    @tam1MI:  I can’t believe Bezos hasn’t dumped both of these doofuses.

    Proving.  The problem is actually Jeff Fucking Bezos.

  40. 40.

    Ken

    @HumboldtBlue: I really hope that Bannon has been doing everything he can to delay his other criminal trial, and is now Finding Out why that was a dumb idea.

  41. 41.

    Ken

    @Jeffro: Let’s say one’s young adult daughter is going to be attending the RNC… What would your guidance be to her?

    Only take drinks direct from the bartender, and keep your hand over your glass at all times.

  42. 42.

    Jeffro

    @Elizabelle: it’s gonna be like 51% McGuire, 49% Good

    could not ask for a better result!

    “Hello VA-05 Democratic recruiting office for 2026, can you please hold?  We are experiencing unusually heavy call volumes at this time…”

  44. 44.

    Jeffro

    @Ken: I know stuff like that (good to repeat, however!)

    I guess I’m wondering what kinds of contingency planning to think about.  I know I’m keeping those days pretty free on my schedule; for what, I’m not quite sure.

  46. 46.

    Jackie

    @Jeffro: Eh, that’s a hard choice, but since TCFG, MTG and McCarthy are rooting for McGuire – who’s just as MAGA, if not more so – I’m kinda hoping Good hangs on just to spite the Terrible Trio. They’re both MAGA so they’re both evil.

  47. 47.

    Ken

    @Jeffro: Well, on a serious note, back in 2020 people were sharing dos and don’ts for going to protests, which I would think have some relevancy — especially as Trump has a history of inciting crowds to riot, as well as pointing them at the press and other observers.

  48. 48.

    karen gail

    @Jeffro: Stay in an outlying area; the freeways will be solid during rush hours and sadly most people don’t know how to merge early, nor do they do merging very well at all.

  50. 50.

    Geminid

    @Elizabelle: Eugene Vindman ought to be able to hold that seat. He’ll certainly have enough money. In 2022, Rep. Spanberger won by around 4%, but she is a “formidable politician” (in Bill Bolling’s words), and her opponent was a lightweight, so 7th District Democrats will have to work hard this summer and fall.

    I’ve been interested in the 10th CD  primary to fill Rep. Jennifer Wexton’s seat. It looks like state Senator Suhas Subramanyam has won it. The 37 year-old Subramanyam worked in the Obama White House. Before that, he grew up in Houston, earned a BA from Tulane and then a law degree from Northwestern University.

    Although he’s from Texas, Subramanyam has a family connnection to the 10th CD. When his parents emigrated to the US from Bangalore, India, Dulles Airport was their port of entry.

    Democrats had another important Congressional primary today, in the coastal 2nd CD. There, Missy Smazol beat Jake Denton and will face Rep. Jen Kiggans in November. Both women are retired Navy officers, as was Kiggans’ predecessor Elaine Luria.

  51. 51.

    karen gail

    @Jeffro: Since she is female and young she already knows about sexual predators; personally, I would be concerned since the GOP seems to attract the worst of the worst when it comes to sexual predators.  One can only hope that she has the courage to treat the trip like a safari into dangerous country filled with dangerous animals.

  52. 52.

    geg6

    @Jeffro:

    I know this will be tough but stay away from the men.  At least when not accompanied.  And keep an eye on her drinks at all times.  Request a new glass every time.  Young Republicans are predators from my observations.

  54. 54.

    Old School

    @Jeffro:

    What would your guidance be to her?

    Wear comfortable shoes for walking.  Keep her passes handy for entrances into the convention.

    I’m really not expecting there to be much of a commotion around the downtown area.  Perhaps I’m naive, but locals are mostly nice and I would imagine security will be enough to keep any agitators under control.

  59. 59.

    RevRick

    @Leto: I am often polled by them. They ask a variety of political questions, not just the horse race ones.

  61. 61.

    TBone

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: we had an awful truck collision here on a major interstate in the dead of winter involving a truckload of monkeys destined for a lab.  Some escaped.  It gave me horrible nightmares, they were stuck in the woods/trees in freezing temps. for several days (on the local news every day) before being euthanized “humanely.” I just can’t abide the fact that we torture animals, for any reason!  I know we need science.  But I hate that we do this to living creatures.

    That crash is when I started to really detest fElon.

    https://apnews.com/article/science-pennsylvania-monkeys-animals-fe5ddc03bba64ce62433f79b0ee7c6c3

    The printed story differs from what was reported on local news TV – we were told for several days that many monkeys were still on the loose.

  63. 63.

    RevRick

    J and I took our granddaughter to see the new Pixar movie Inside Out 2. When one of the characters observed that “when you get older, you lose your joy,” that made me wince. It cut a little too close to home.

    Plot line: when the main character hits puberty, she acquires a whole new set of emotions.

  64. 64.

    CaseyL

    @Jeffro:

    Whose idea was that?  I’d rather visit a Mafia family reunion!

    Is she attending as in, will be in the hall? Or “attending” as in, will be observing from outside?

    The tips already given are very good.  Here are some more:

    The group must stay together.  No one wanders off on their own.  No one is left alone.

    Go to the bathroom before they leave the hotel (or wherever) and try not to go while there.  If absolutely necessary, go in a group.  Hopefully they’re about half and half men and women.

    Cash money. hidden in shoe.

    Bottled water and some snacks.

    Shatter-proof sunglasses.

    Extra phone, hidden in purse or backpack (though backpacks may not be allowed anywhere near the convention center).

    A gas mask would be nice, but they’re not exactly unobtrusive.

    Agree ahead of time on some hand signals or verbal ones for “Help!,” “Let’s get out of here!” and other useful phrases.  Maybe be ready to call one another to rescue someone from an unpleasant conversation/confrontation.

    Memorize where all the exits are, and the quickest way to them.

  65. 65.

    tam1MI

    @Jeffro:

    not OT for once: I have a question for the Jackaltariat

    Let’s say one’s young adult daughter, as part of her public policy Master’s program, is going to be attending the RNC this summer along with a dozen of her fellow students.

    What would your guidance be to her?

     

    Others have covered the safety aspects, I will just note that Mader’s Restaurant is within walking distance of all the venues, and she should really treat herself to a meal there.

  66. 66.

    mrmoshpotato

    Does the orange shitstain love Milwaukee the same way he loves the poorly educated?

    Enjoy the upcoming shitshow, Milwaukee!

  68. 68.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Jeffro: ​
      I would tell her to stay clear of any “fancy” chain bars and restaurants in the general area of Fiserv Forum. There are lots of good bars and restaurants in Milwaukee. If she stays away form the GOP folks during down time, she could have a really good time. Do you know where her hotel is?

  72. 72.

    HumboldtBlue

    Willie Mays dies, and Nick Castellanos walks off the Padres with a game-winning double in the bottom of the 9th, and the Phillies win!!

  73. 73.

    karen gail

    I “love” reading all the suggestions about Jeffro’s daughter’s safety; all I can say is people wonder why any woman of any age would pick bear over man. I am in mid 70’s and after the last couple of trips to “cities” I pick bears.

  76. 76.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @karen gail: FFS people are talking about how the GOP is full of monsters.  The more time Froette spends away from them, the safer she will be.

    TLDR:  Milwaukee fine, GOP bad.

  77. 77.

    Stacy

    @Geminid: I’m in Va CD 10 and I’m so relieved Suhas Subramanyam won. He’s my state senator and Rep. Wexton was my state senator before she made it to the House. I was worried Helmer might take it.

  78. 78.

    RevRick

    @TBone: Well, we’ve already gotten teasers of granny nostalgia making an appearance, but the others make her get back in the closet.

  80. 80.

    smith

    Don’t look now, but Good has pulled slightly ahead of McGuire. It’s very close, with 87% of the votes in.  If it comes down to just a handful of votes, I forsee a little civil war within the GQP, with Goobers on both sides pulling out their entire repertoire of screamy accusations about rigged elections

    ETA: Looks like it just flipped to McGuire slightly ahead. This could be fun.

  82. 82.

    Bupalos

    @Starfish: Too much dissonance for me. It’s absolutely effective populism, and Hawley has a radio voice, and he’s not dumb. But to listen to it you have to abstract from the fact that Hawley is a cheerleader for and beneficiary of the system of elite compensation he’s attacking here, and absolutely just doing a kind of Stalinist denunciation in this video. So no, I don’t enjoy it on the whole. It is kind of funny how confused the Boeing guy is, but…bookmark this one. This feels like a peek into our future after Trump.

    Populism will rise in direct proportion to the degree of alienation people feel from their political system, as and before a lot of people become completely depoliticized and essentially turn in to Russians.

    Here’s a dissonant thought: I think within a decade there will be populist authoritarian environmentalists. There will be (essentially) climate change nationalists. And it will be pretty hard to define a climate change nationalist as opposed to a fascist. They’ll share a lot of territory with respect to immigration. They won’t have the foggiest idea of what you’re talking about when you say “democracy.”

    Very interesting clip. Appreciate you posting it and noting how it resonates, as the partisan impulse here probably mostly will not approve. Hawley definitely out-Katie-Porters Katie Porter here. Let’s all remember that Hawley is the guy who went out of his way to raise a fist in solidarity with what are now the Jan6 “hostages.”

  83. 83.

    Geminid

    @smith: If Bob Good loses, the 5th CD will get its 7th Congressman since 2008, when Tom Perriello beat Virgil Goode.

  84. 84.

    TBone

    @Bupalos: I approve of anybody sticking it to “the man” but it doesn’t mean I have to respect them afterwards.  I watch what they do, not what they say.

  85. 85.

    Tony G

    Trump is a fascist, of course — but here’s more evidence that he is a REALLY DUMB fascist.  (Probably a fascist suffering from dementia.).   Look: The playbook says that you’re supposed to insult the marks AFTER, not BEFORE, you swindle them.  What a dope.

  87. 87.

    Tony G

    @Bupalos: Unfortunately, I can see that happening.  “Protect our precious American environment by keeping about those smelly black and brown people!!!”.

  91. 91.

    TBone

    @HumboldtBlue: excellent.  I’d change the phrase “empty promises” to “outright lies.” Saved to replay when the ruling comes in (I refuse to say “comes down” about rulings any longer because these bumpstockers are not above me).

  92. 92.

    Bupalos

    @TBone: I’m a little gobsmacked that the Boeing dude couldn’t think to turn it around and just say “do you think that congress should be determining my pay? Why are you so concerned with what I earn? It’s far below 1% of the revenue of the company I majestically command. Have you ever run a leading aerospace company? Are you jealous as a lawyer and politician?  Are you a looter that doesn’t believe in free enterprise???!”

    He’s really and truly confused that Hawley is willing to deploy populism against him, and just stammers away.

  93. 93.

    Bupalos

    @Tony G: I feel like it’s practically guaranteed. Our unwillingness to (for instance) stop eating meat or stop burning up several gallons of fuel every other day to get our kids to the right school is going to have a price tag. That tag is going to be “well SOMEONE has to die. And it sure as hell isn’t going to be ME since I’ve been casting negative glances at pickup trucks for DECADES!!”

  94. 94.

    TBone

    @Bupalos: it was a joy to behold him squirming as the dumb surprise registered.  There was no imbalance of power there to flip though.  They’re both rich, white douchebros with too much of everything.

  95. 95.

    CaseyL

    I think the GOP regards Boeing as a “liberal” company because it used to be based in Seattle and still has a significant presence there. Therefore, it’s OK to hate on them.

    Fact is, Boeing became just another bunch of vulture capitalists when they were subsumed by McDonnell Douglas and moved their executive offices to Chicago. They’re certainly not “liberal” in any meaningful sense.

  96. 96.

    Mousebumples

    @Jeffro: late to the thread, and I haven’t eaten out in Milwaukee for awhile.

    However, The Safe House was fun when I was younger. There’s a code word to get in, or you might need to do something that’s broadcast on video within the restaurant. (*it’s been a few years, so idk if that’s still the case…) More fun if she has friends to go with, I’d figure.

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    Ken

    @Bupalos: The Boeing guy was probably confused and thinking “we bought the Republicans so I wouldn’t have to do this.”  Also, within the last couple days Trump said that any corporate executives that don’t support him should be fired.

    Who knows, if the Republicans keep this up, corporations might decide they prefer the party that nags a lot but only rarely does anything.

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    scav

    @tam1MI: The very ORD & MDW airspace apparently contaminates the purity of their cause, essence and being.  I wonder what woukd happen if someone ate a deepdish pizza (or ketchupless  Portillo’s dog) and breathed in their general direction.  Out take of the Witch of the West demise or more Raiders of the Lost Arc?

  101. 101.

    Captain C

    @CaseyL:

    I’d rather visit a Mafia family reunion!

    The food would be much better, and the company would be more interesting, more legit in their business affairs, less evil, and less likely to gratuitously assault you.

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