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You are here: Home / Elections 2024 / Saturday Evening Open Thread: Debate Prep

Saturday Evening Open Thread: Debate Prep

by Anne Laurie|  June 22, 20246:22 pm| 136 Comments

This post is in: Elections 2024, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Trumpery

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Saturday Evening Open Thread: Debate Prep

(Jack Ohman via GoComics.com)

Biden hunkering down in Camp David for debate prep-refining talking points, pouring through material. Then at the end doing a full 90 minute mock debate on his feet the whole time
Preparing for all scenarios, but am told expecting Trump to be more disciplined @ABC pic.twitter.com/jXmKD9Ll5O

— Selina Wang (@selinawangtv) June 21, 2024

Very different approaches… So, President Biden is working with his trained staff and other experts to assemble the best possible pitch. And Trump, or at least the people around Trump, are ‘more disciplined’. One can only imagine:

– A handful of staffers have sorted out Trump’s favorite red & pink Starbursts, and are attempting to rejigger traditional potty-training methods to get him to repeat clip-friendly talking points

– Since neither Ivanka nor Melania will cooperate, others negotiating with Kimberly Guilfoyle for her to stand by the main monitor & flash her tits when he needs to be brought to attention

– Peter ‘Bathory’ Thiel’s office has stonewalled on loaning the campaign a few of their spare twinks, so staffers are trying to contact known Trump supporter Tom Brady to donate some fresh premium-quality plasma

How Biden and Trump are taking very different approaches to preparing for next week's debate https://t.co/HywjtzAMu2

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 21, 2024

Joe Biden also beat Donald Trump twice in debates 4 years ago. But I know Donald's memory isn't that good so he probably forgot about it. https://t.co/EWo9l0TaAX

— The Biden Accomplishments Guy (@What46HasDone) June 21, 2024

So (1) it remains very funny to me that people think Biden has a drug that totally fixes cognitive issues but only uses it sometimes, and (2) Miller is slightly smarter than the median fascist creep and clearly realizes that Trump is very likely to faceplant at this debate https://t.co/KpOXJBJ7rD

— vituperativeerb (@vituperativeerb) June 20, 2024

@DougJBalloon https://t.co/eO9fkKP5S3

— Ben Yelin (@byelin) June 20, 2024

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  1. 1.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 22, 2024 at 6:29 pm

    This is the thing where if Trump doesn’t actually drop his pants and poo on the stage, he’s become an overnight genius, right?

  2. 2.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2024 at 6:31 pm

    pouring through material

    Sigh. Editing is a lost art.

  3. 3.

    Harrison Wesley

    June 22, 2024 at 6:32 pm

    @NotMax: Actually, it’s Trump who has a problem pouring through material.  Hence the diaper.

  4. 4.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2024 at 6:36 pm

    Must watch TV if Tapper tiptoes over when Dolt 45 nods off to draw a dick on his face with a Sharpie.
    //

  5. 5.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    June 22, 2024 at 6:36 pm

    The brain dead media act like Charlie Brown and the football, endlessly pushing the “trump will pivot” horse shit

  6. 6.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    June 22, 2024 at 6:38 pm

    @NotMax: Pore some sugar on me

  7. 7.

    smith

    June 22, 2024 at 6:38 pm

    They’ve already calibrated the optimal drug combination to keep the Felon upright and awake for his rallies, and this is the best they can do (all quotes from one speech today):

    And my stupid people when I wanted to refute it, they said, sir, don’t dignify it with a refuttal. Refutal or refuttal. What the hell word would that be? Refuttal. Watch, they’ll say he didn’t know refuttal or refutal but they don’t know either

    If I took this shirt off, you would see a beautiful beautiful person. But you would see wounds all over. I’ve taken a lot of wounds I can tell you. More than I suspect any president ever

    We’re like a country from a different country. This is not America

    Bro, you read those Ten Commandments every one is talking about. Incredible stuff

  8. 8.

    Me

    June 22, 2024 at 6:41 pm

    single-issue voters with cryptocurrency on their minds

    So just Marc Andreessen and Jesse Powell?

  9. 9.

    Mai Naem mobile

    June 22, 2024 at 6:41 pm

    I think SCOTUS will release the immunity decision on Friday(along with Chevron) to take attention off the posr debate analysis. Chevron will end up being ignored even though it’s almost as important as the immunity decision.

  10. 10.

    jackmac

    June 22, 2024 at 6:45 pm

    @NotMax:

    Pouring or poring. That one jumped right out at me. I’m surprised she didn’t throw some stray apostrophes in inappropriate places just for the hell of it.

  11. 11.

    zhena gogolia

    June 22, 2024 at 6:48 pm

    @smith: Wow.

    So he’s St. Sebastian now?

  12. 12.

    MattF

    June 22, 2024 at 6:48 pm

    I’ve predicted that Trump will back out, that’s still rather likely, IMO. If not, a real faceplant is a possibility. Probably not the full drop-trou and shit on the lectern, though. But lots of people are predicting that.

  13. 13.

    Baud

    June 22, 2024 at 6:50 pm

    Debate prep

    Will you shut up. man?

    Will you shut up. man?

    Will you shut up. man?

    Will you shut up. man?

     

  14. 14.

    Danielx

    June 22, 2024 at 6:51 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Maybe he’ll bite the head off a live bat, a la Ozzy, and THEN take a dump on stage.

  15. 15.

    smith

    June 22, 2024 at 6:51 pm

    @zhena gogolia: The thing that gets me is that he’s using a teleprompter, and these things still fall out of his mouth. What’s he  going to do with no teleprompter and no notes?

  16. 16.

    dmsilev

    June 22, 2024 at 6:52 pm

    Please let the last question be a choice between a shark and a sinking electric boat.

  17. 17.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 22, 2024 at 6:53 pm

    @NotMax: That’s Steeplejack’s beat.

  18. 18.

    Suzanne

    June 22, 2024 at 6:54 pm

    @NotMax: Fuck, I instantly saw that, too. It’s poring, you dumbfucks!

  19. 19.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 22, 2024 at 6:54 pm

    OT:

    Has any juicer watched the Peabody winning doc, While we watched? About how India’s once vibrant TV journalism has now become a cross between Fox News and Pravda?

    Here is Ravish Kumar Pandey (the subject of the documentary, he is the anchor who was the bane of existence of the Modi and his cabinet, and the subject of the documentary) accepting the award

    ETA: India is in a more advanced state of the RW takeover of the media than we are.

  20. 20.

    Danielx

    June 22, 2024 at 6:55 pm

    @smith:

    And 45% of the electorate will vote for the deranged motherfucker.

  21. 21.

    dmsilev

    June 22, 2024 at 6:55 pm

    @MattF: It’s getting close to too late for dropping out without looking like a chump. The rules have been announced and both sides agreed to them. RFK Jr. was disinvited. Everything is set. I’m sure what’s left of Trump’s brain can make up some sort of offense that he could use as an excuse to back out, but he’ll look like a coward to most of the country.

  22. 22.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 22, 2024 at 6:56 pm

    @NotMax:

    @jackmac:

    I’m surprised she didn’t throw some stray apostrophes in inappropriate places just for the hell of it.

    Well, if you listen to the clip, she does give us a “hone in on.” So it’s not a total bust.

  23. 23.

    zhena gogolia

    June 22, 2024 at 6:56 pm

    @Baud: lololol

  24. 24.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2024 at 6:57 pm

    @smith: ​ Jeebus.

  25. 25.

    Another Scott

    June 22, 2024 at 6:58 pm

    @Baud: Made me look… CNBC.com:

    Trump at Biden: “If you got in … if you ever became president with your ideas — you want to terminate my taxes [tax cuts], I’ll tell you what. You’ll lose half of the companies that have poured in here. … They’ll leave.”

    Said Biden: “We were able to have an economic recovery that created the jobs you’re talking about. We handed him a booming economy. He blew it.”

    He continued: “Even before Covid, manufacturing went in the hole. Manufacturing went in the hole.”

    “I’m the guy that brought back the automobile industry. I was asked to bring back Chrysler and General Motors. We brought them back right here in the state of Ohio and Michigan. He blew it.”

    They were translating for TCFFG 4 years ago. They’ll be really busy on Thursday… :-/

    Grr…,
    Scott.

  26. 26.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2024 at 6:59 pm

    @dmsilev: Not this one, the 2nd debate: “It was RIGGGED!!!

  27. 27.

    PaulB

    June 22, 2024 at 7:00 pm

    For what it’s worth, I think the following will happen:

    1. Trump will show up for the debate.

    2. Trump will “Gish gallop” his way through the debate, tossing out lies right and left, failing to directly answer questions.

    3. The press will (mostly) fail to note the above, holding Trump to a very low bar. “Trump did not shit his pants! He truly was Presidential!”

    4. The press will be desperate for a “gotcha” moment. Both candidates will have a couple of potential zingers ready to go; both candidates will be trying to avoid gaffes. If there any gaffes or zingers, these will massively dominate the coverage.

    5. Trump and his supporters, particularly those in the rightwing media, will declare that he easily won, and that Biden was clearly confused / on drugs / old / incontinent, etc.

    6. Biden will win the debate, but the polls will not change much, if at all. There is just too much that is already baked in. And with the media refusing to report what is actually there, any movement will be pretty minimal. Plus, with the election so far away, the fence-sitters will still be content to maintain their perch.

    That said, I’d love to see Trump truly melt down, go blank, and come across as the drunk, insane uncle that you always avoid at family reunions. We’ll see.

    (I should note that my political prognostications of the past 8 years have been noteworthy for their near complete failure to match reality. The only one I’m reasonably confident of is #5.)

  28. 28.

    smith

    June 22, 2024 at 7:01 pm

    @dmsilev:  This has been suggested  as the stage backdrop.

  29. 29.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 22, 2024 at 7:02 pm

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: And sometimes they say he actually did it.

    Remember Megan Amram’s running joke on Twitter where she just posted every day that it was “the day Donald Trump became President” (usually timing it for moments when he did something particularly stupid)? I think it was an air strike in Syria or something that led to the dopey news article that inspired that.

  30. 30.

    JaySinWA

    June 22, 2024 at 7:03 pm

    @Suzanne: Nah, I’m sure they meant he spilled his drinks on the prep material//

  31. 31.

    satby

    June 22, 2024 at 7:03 pm

    FYI: Today is the blogfather’s  birthday.

  32. 32.

    PaulB

    June 22, 2024 at 7:04 pm

    @smith:  What’s he  going to do with no teleprompter and no notes?

    We kinda know, actually: that’s where the boats, sharks, and batteries rant came from. His teleprompter broke down in that Las Vegas rally.

  33. 33.

    jackmac

    June 22, 2024 at 7:09 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: @SiubhanDuinne: As ABC’s senior White House correspondent, one might think she’s had some  journalism training (or at least crack open an Associated Press Stylebook once in a while).

  34. 34.

    Tom Levenson

    June 22, 2024 at 7:09 pm

    Here’s hoping that the jammers are in place for the covert signaling that I’m sure the Trump team will try to sneak through.

  35. 35.

    WaterGirl

    June 22, 2024 at 7:09 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I’d say we have about 10 people who are on that beat, at least!  :-)

  36. 36.

    Yutsano

    June 22, 2024 at 7:11 pm

    I see we’re channeling our inner Alexandra Petri tonight eh Anne Laurie? I was giggling to myself over that. Except you get to say things she unfortunately couldn’t get into WaPo.

    Do not underestimate Dolt45. We’re having fun now but he does have a habit of looking good when TV cameras are on him. I hope he does have a total meltdown but I’m not counting on it. A narcissist getting what he wants (attention) can even make Adderall even more effective.

    Biden is old. He’ll wipe the floor with the First Felon, but it doesn’t change the fact that Biden will look old.

    I did mention that Biden is old and you’re getting my dogwhistle right? I’ve decided that’s what that is now, although I should have seen that years ago.

  37. 37.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 22, 2024 at 7:12 pm

    @WaterGirl: Pedants R Us

  38. 38.

    Another Scott

    June 22, 2024 at 7:12 pm

    @smith: I haven’t checked, but I ass-u-me “no notes” means no “paper notes”. Nothing to prevent him from having notes on his tiny hands, is there??

    ;-)

    Seriously, I expect TCFFG to have some talking points memorized.

    I also expect Biden to remind him of being convicted of 34 felonies and his sentencing date of July 11 and similar things in his near future.

    Sad.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  39. 39.

    Raoul Paste

    June 22, 2024 at 7:14 pm

    I’d be looking to see if Trump sports a small earpiece, or alternatively, pauses unexpectedly before answering.

    I don’t really think this will happen, but don’t tell me his handlers haven’t considered it

  40. 40.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    June 22, 2024 at 7:17 pm

    @NotMax:

    With Biden covering the solid and liquid states of being I take it that his campaign is leaving the gaseous state to that newly convicted felon, Trump.

    Thinking about it a bit more I realize that Trump is always in triple phase and exists in all three states (solid, liquid, gaseous) at the same time.

    He’s solid but oozing a gaseous liquid at all times.

  41. 41.

    Frankensteinbeck

    June 22, 2024 at 7:17 pm

    I don’t see a ‘win’ option here for Trump, but I do expect that Trump will be at his peak of coherence and energy.  While the man is decaying in front of us, this won’t be a ‘going through the motions’ event where he feels free to turn on the mouth spigot and turn off the brain.  Whatever can be done to make him energetic will also be done.

  42. 42.

    WaterGirl

    June 22, 2024 at 7:18 pm

    @Raoul Paste: I seem to recall that we thought Bush Jr. did that, right?  A suspicious bump under his jacket or something?

  43. 43.

    dmsilev

    June 22, 2024 at 7:18 pm

    @Tom Levenson: No, don’t jam them. Send in some stronger signals, see if you can get him to, I dunno, pause and then complain that he’s having trouble making out the voices in his head.

  44. 44.

    smith

    June 22, 2024 at 7:19 pm

    @Raoul Paste: Years ago, there were rumors that Bush the Lesser did that in one of his debates. The Felon seems  to have so much trouble tracking a thought to its conclusion I suspect that even surreptitiously feeding him his lines won’t be sufficient.

  45. 45.

    Starfish

    June 22, 2024 at 7:20 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Hey! I wanted to thank you for telling us about India’s elections. I was at work, and my coworkers were tired because they had stayed up the night before to watch the election, and I almost had a clue what they were talking about.

  46. 46.

    Jackie

    June 22, 2024 at 7:20 pm

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    I think SCOTUS will release the immunity decision on Friday(along with Chevron) to take attention off the posr debate analysis.

    Great minds think alike! I posted that prediction yesterday!👍🏻😁

  47. 47.

    JaySinWA

    June 22, 2024 at 7:21 pm

    Will T show up? Probably, but who knows.

    Will he behave badly? Most likely, almost certainly, is there really any chance he wont? The real question is how will he behave badly, and will there be any pushback from the moderators.

    What percentage of his verbiage will be comprehensible? I imagine he will manage to regurgitate several points that appear to be coherent, even if not responsive to the question. Are one or more really off the rails responses likely? Probably, but mostly from the deep steeping in the alternate R universe version of reality. Maybe not the sharks and batteries level of weird.

    In any case the Trump apologists and linguistic interpreters will be working hard that night.

  48. 48.

    hells littlest angel

    June 22, 2024 at 7:22 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Well, if you listen to the clip, she does give us a “hone in on.”

     

    That one drives me crazy, too. It has started showing up in the the 5-10 years. Just fucking say, “focus” or “emphasize” or “target.” Because “home in on” doesn’t make sense either.

  49. 49.

    Mike in NC

    June 22, 2024 at 7:22 pm

    Based on his court appearance in Manhattan, Fat Bastard’s debate performance will involve copious  farting and snoring.

  50. 50.

    agorabum

    June 22, 2024 at 7:23 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: I think there’s way too much crowing on leftist blogs that Trump is going to faceplant.

    Trump is a weird freak but he can pull himself together for grudge matches and “debates” are often short enough that he can say one or two things about the topic and then an insult and then the moderator moves on – he doesn’t get the space for his long rambles.

    I’d love to see a faceplant but hate all the constant lowering of the bar.

  51. 51.

    Harrison Wesley

    June 22, 2024 at 7:24 pm

    I thought it was arranged so that Trump gets the last word.  If that’s true, he’ll dump the diarrhea in such volume it would take a bale of his manly diapers to contain it.

  52. 52.

    Starfish

    June 22, 2024 at 7:24 pm

    Photo journalist Linda Tirado who was shot in the eye with a plastic bullet in the Minneapolis protests is dying from dementia caused by the traumatic brain injury that she sustained.

  53. 53.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    June 22, 2024 at 7:24 pm

    @Danielx:

    I’m pretty sure that he’s going to take a dump on stage anyway. You can Depends on it!

  54. 54.

    Nukular Biskits

    June 22, 2024 at 7:28 pm

    @smith: LOL! That’s hilarious!

  55. 55.

    Scout211

    June 22, 2024 at 7:28 pm

    Greg Sargent at The New Republic writes that Trump has signaled one his attacks on Biden at the debate.

    You can’t say you weren’t warned: At the upcoming presidential debate on June 27, Donald Trump plans to highlight a handful of horrific murders—allegedly by undocumented migrants—and blame them on President Biden. We know this because Trump told us so right on his Truth Social feed.

    We have a new Biden Migrant Killing—it’s only going to get worse, and it’s all Crooked Joe Biden’s fault,” Trump seethed, referring to the horrible death of a 12-year-old Texas girl. “I look forward to seeing him at the Fake debate on Thursday. Let him explain why he has allowed MILLIONS of people to come into our Country illegally!”

    I’m sure Biden’s team will be prepared for that attack but I’m not so sure that Sargent is right about Trump’s method of attack.  As we know, Trump writes very few (if any) of his posts on his social and it would be super tough for him to remember all those “handful of horrible murders” and all the details about them in the debate.  The Gish gallop talk may actually include bits and pieces of those cases, but I don’t think he will be able to cite the details of any of them.

  56. 56.

    Another Scott

    June 22, 2024 at 7:30 pm

    @smith: Yeah, if one did fancy enhancement of a photo of the back of W’s jacket, it looked like there was a box on his shoulder. (Why someone would hide a radio on their shoulder was left as an exercise for the reader.)

    But it never made any sense to me that he was trying to cheat via a wire.  Being on a debate stage is hugely stressful while you’re trying to pay attention to the question, the previous answers, what you’re trying to say in the best way possible.  It would be hugely distracting to try to listen for a magic answer at the same time on top of that.

    Yes, there are counter examples where someone can say something to get you on track. “Tell them about the Dream, Martin.” But that only worked because he knew that speech by heart by giving it earlier several times earlier.

    W at least wasn’t demented at the time. TCFFG has obviously declined a lot in his later years…

    Plus, TCFFG has the “best brain” – he’s told us that himself – so doesn’t feel the need to take direction from anyone else.

    We’ll see.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  57. 57.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2024 at 7:30 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: My old man was very energetic as his brain decomposed. That’s why I had to restrain him on several occasions (never underestimate the strength of an 88 yr old man during his “energetic” phases).  That being said, I can’t know how far trump is gone, just noting that at some point, being “energetic” is not a good thing.

  58. 58.

    JMG

    June 22, 2024 at 7:32 pm

    The fact there’s no audience will help Trump IMO. His biggest spirals into lunacy come when he’s playing to a crowd. He can repeat his talking points then fall silent. I know, maybe he can’t do that, but it’ll be easier to do in an empty studio.

  59. 59.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2024 at 7:32 pm

    I for one am not not expecting the usual pro forma handshake at the start.

    However should that take place, hoping Biden has a packet of wet wipes handy.

  60. 60.

    Princess

    June 22, 2024 at 7:32 pm

    @smith: Wait, this is real?!

    That our failed news media aren’t blaring about this tells you everything we need to know about who pays them.

  61. 61.

    Harrison Wesley

    June 22, 2024 at 7:33 pm

    @Starfish: That’s awful, a genuine tragedy.  Unlike the whining of the swinish oaf about how badly he’s treated.

  62. 62.

    HumboldtBlue

    June 22, 2024 at 7:33 pm

    Trump is holding a rally on the Temple campus (much to the chagrin of alumni who are pissed admins allowed it to happen) in the Liacouras Center. The place holds just over 10,000 people, so keep that in kind tonight when the magas tell you 50,000 people showed up with 50,000 more waiting outside in the 97 degree heat!

  63. 63.

    smith

    June 22, 2024 at 7:34 pm

    @Another Scott: I agree. I think it takes some cognitive agility to process lines from a hidden mic and make them seem fluent and natural. The Felon frequently loses a train of thought mid-sentence, so even retaining the whole bit he’s being fed might be a challenge for him.

  64. 64.

    Another Scott

    June 22, 2024 at 7:36 pm

    @smith:

    Linky from BidenHQ.

    Only the best stupid people work for him.

    Or something.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  65. 65.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 22, 2024 at 7:38 pm

    @jackmac:

    Is that who she is? I confess, I never heard of her before (but that’s on me).

  66. 66.

    smith

    June 22, 2024 at 7:39 pm

    @Another Scott: Wait! There’s more! A partial list.

  67. 67.

    Jackie

    June 22, 2024 at 7:41 pm

    @Danielx: Apparently today, TCFG threatened to take his shirt off and bare his “beautiful” upper body and show his MAGA groupies all his wounds – “more wounds than any other president.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-shirt-beautiful-body-wounds-please-refrain/

  68. 68.

    TBone

    June 22, 2024 at 7:42 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Temple student Dems urged everyone to buy tickets and not show up.  I hope that happened (like K-Pop stans previously did).  I’m hate watching.  We’ll see how long I can take it before the revulsion cringe is overpowering.

    Trying to toughen myself up so I can watch the full debates.

    Aaand Fux just had to cut away because the dementia was so evident. Rambling about lather on his beautiful, luxurious hair and shower water and it’s called rain and the washing machine for dishes “they don’t want you to have” 🤣😂😆😆😆 Now Fux is running edited clips

  69. 69.

    Harrison Wesley

    June 22, 2024 at 7:43 pm

    @Jackie: So he moved beyond pee tape to S&M?

  70. 70.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2024 at 7:45 pm

    Noticed while toodling around Prime that Storm Center is available there. Sad to say, timely again.

    Storm Center is a 1956 American film noir drama directed by Daniel Taradash. The screenplay by Taradash and Elick Moll focuses on what were at the time two very controversial subjects—Communism and book banning—and took a strong stance against censorship. The film stars Bette Davis, and was the first overtly anti-McCarthyism film to be produced in Hollywood. Source

  71. 71.

    Another Scott

    June 22, 2024 at 7:45 pm

    @smith: Wow.

    He’s just daring everyone to reject him, isn’t he??

    I suppose he’ll walk over to the moderators desk and break their mics and dare the folks in the booth to stop him from talking, or something.  He’s convinced that none of the rules – anywhere – apply to him.

    He’s not going to handle Merchan’s sentencing very well at all…

    Dare we hope that Thursday is the beginning of the end for TCFFG??

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  72. 72.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 22, 2024 at 7:47 pm

    @Starfish:

    Oh, that’s horrible and sad. Wow.

  73. 73.

    Princess

    June 22, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    I always thought Trump would refuse to debate but now I’m beginning to think that Trump and his people have been telling each other that Biden is a drooling half wit so often that they now believe it, and Trump will refuse to drop out.

  74. 74.

    sab

    June 22, 2024 at 7:51 pm

    OT:  Weird day. We bought a house (one storey living space) for our retirement. Took forever to close. I hate my bank.

    Early on in what I thought would be a lengthy search we found a house that we both loved. Loved house, loved yard, loved location. Price was stiff but whatever.

    Eventually we closed, and told the neighbors we were moving, Family on one side was pleasant but glad to see our pitbull gone. Our kid’s big cheery furry mutt will be a better neighbor to dogs on either side.

    Neighbor on the other side had unexpected reaction. We had bought his grandather’s house that he had wanted but fiancee wouldn’t agree to buying. (It needed a lot of repairs.) The flipper seems to have done most of them.

    He was glad someone who loved it had bought it, but he had very much wanted it.

    Happy news. We are quite old. It will be on the market again in ten/ fifteen years when one of us goes paws up. He has been an excellent neighbor. I will try to see that he gets first dibs with a good price.

  75. 75.

    Jackie

    June 22, 2024 at 7:53 pm

    @Harrison Wesley:

    I thought it was arranged so that Trump gets the last word.

    MSNBC was discussing that, with the commentator asking if that was an advantage for TCFG. Her guest kind of snort-chuckled and strongly hinted Biden “had his reasons,” with a big grin. He refused to elaborate any further – just dropped that tease, and said it would be a good debate.

  76. 76.

    kalakal

    June 22, 2024 at 7:54 pm

    @smith: Lol! Brilliant

  77. 77.

    Eyeroller

    June 22, 2024 at 7:54 pm

    @hells littlest angel: So we come full circle from an earlier thread where this was discussed. “Home in on” definitely means “target” and perhaps could mean “emphasize” but “hone in on” means nothing at all, it’s a mistake for “home in on.”

  78. 78.

    smith

    June 22, 2024 at 7:55 pm

    On a more  serious note, there is the question of how his devoted followers can listen to these speeches and pretend to take something meaningful away. I’m assuming  that most of them can carry on normal conversations in everyday life, and if someone they were talking to broke out with one of these whackaloon statements they’d at the least roll their eyes, and possibly wonder if the person should seek some counseling.

    The only thing I can come up with to explain it is that they’ve been conditioned by exposure to years of Republican word salad. I think Reagan was the first to use it, but it was also the forte of Bush the Lesser and reached virtuoso levels with Sarah Palin. The secret is that they only need to hear certain buzz words to be satisfied that they’ve gotten the gist of the message. They only really hear “immigrants,” “crime,” “deep state,” etc. Any verbal connective tissue is irrelevant, and could be anything or nothing. It’s  actually a quite efficient means of communication.

  79. 79.

    WaterGirl

    June 22, 2024 at 7:55 pm

    @Jackie: With the wounds thing, I think Trump is telling us that he’s Jesus again.

  80. 80.

    Jeffro

    June 22, 2024 at 7:59 pm

    it’s interesting…Miller re: “Biden will be hopped up on drugs”, trump with his “I’M THE ONE WHO BROUGHT DOWN THE PRICE OF INSULIN”, and all the various lies that RWNJ elected officials spout on Fox News and other outlets:

    they know it will cost them nothing (except at the end, when it all comes crashing down)

    they can lie to their base endlessly and still get to the low 40% mark.  THAT is a story in and of itself.

    It’s what Fox was built for, I think.  To keep the GOP “floor” as high (and shameless) as possible, always keeping Republicans in contention and most especially to keep there from ever being a truly national consensus that, say, a disgraced GOP president should resign.

  81. 81.

    Baud

    June 22, 2024 at 8:00 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I’ll bring the nails.

  82. 82.

    Timill

    June 22, 2024 at 8:01 pm

    @WaterGirl: But are they proper stigmata?

  83. 83.

    WaterGirl

    June 22, 2024 at 8:01 pm

    @Baud: I have some leftover lumber from my fence repair!

  84. 84.

    jackmac

    June 22, 2024 at 8:02 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I also had never heard of her, but I don’t follow major network news very much. Bio info came by clicking on her name on X/Twitter.

  85. 85.

    WaterGirl

    June 22, 2024 at 8:02 pm

    @Timill: Would he even know?  I mean even Barbie Boebert did the sign of the cross wrong.

  86. 86.

    Jackie

    June 22, 2024 at 8:02 pm

    @Princess: I’m kinda hoping 30 minutes before the debate, CNN announces both candidates must submit to a drug test. Joe gripes “Oh, man…,” then agrees to the test.

    Will TCFG pee in the cup, or abruptly refuse to debate and stomp off?🤔

  87. 87.

    Bill Arnold

    June 22, 2024 at 8:02 pm

    @dmsilev:
    It is said that he rambled again about the boat and battery and shark today. I asked a few LLMs to summarize it.
    https://fast.snova.ai/ (free, no login needed, a bunch of models)

    Prompt:summarize this, please: “Now they’ll say all these stories are terrible. Well, these stories have, you know, you heard my story in the boat with the shark, right? I got killed on that. They thought I was rambling. I’m not rambling. We can’t get the boat to float. The battery is so heavy. So then I start talking about asking questions. You know, I have an, I had an uncle who was a great professor at MIT for many years, long, I think the longest tenure ever. Very smart, had three different degrees and you know, so I have an aptitude for things. You know, there is such a thing as an aptitude. I said, well, what would happen if this boat is so heavy and started to sink and you’re on the top of the boat. Do you get electrocuted or not? In other words, the boat is going down and you’re on the top, will the electric currents flow through the water and wipe you out? And let’s say there’s a shark about 10 yards over there. Would I have to immediately abandon or could I ride the electric down and he said, sir, nobody’s ever asked us that question. But sir, I don’t know. I said, well, I want to know because I guarantee you one thing, I don’t care what happens. I’m staying with the electric, I’m not getting over with it. So I tell that story. And the fake news they go, he told this crazy story with electric. It’s actually not crazy. It’s sort of a smart story, right? Sort of like, you know, it’s like the snake, it’s a smart when you, you figure what you’re leaving in, right? You’re bringing it in the, you know, the snake, right? The snake and the snake. I tell that and they do the same thing”

    This one isn’t horrible:

    SN (Meta-Llama-3-8B-Instruct): The speaker is defending their storytelling abilities and arguing that their stories are not “terrible” as others might say. They share a personal anecdote about being on a boat with a shark and asking questions about the physics of the situation, including whether they would be electrocuted if the boat sank. They claim that this is a “smart” story and that others have never asked such questions before. The speaker is frustrated that their story was dismissed as “crazy” by others, and they argue that it’s actually a thoughtful and logical tale.

    I added a bit to the prompt:

    Prompt:summarize this in 4 sentences as if you were narcissistic and suffering from dementia, please:[same text as above]
    SN (Meta-Llama-3-70B-Instruct): Here’s a summary in 4 sentences, written from the perspective of a narcissistic individual suffering from dementia:
    I’m telling you, my story about the shark and the boat is a masterpiece, a work of genius. I mean, who else could come up with such a brilliant question about electric currents and sharks? The fake news people just don’t understand me, they think I’m rambling, but really I’m just sharing my incredible insights with the world. And by the way, did I mention my uncle was a super smart professor at MIT? Yeah, I get my intelligence from him, obviously.

    Promising, but needs work.

  88. 88.

    Jeffro

    June 22, 2024 at 8:02 pm

    @dmsilev:I’m sure what’s left of Trump’s brain can make up some sort of offense that he could use as an excuse to back out, but he’ll look like a coward to most of the country.

    true

    there’s also a decent change that he blows up in fake outrage about 15 minutes into it, and storms off the stage.

  89. 89.

    Jackie

    June 22, 2024 at 8:06 pm

    @WaterGirl: It WAS at a “christian” sponsored event… 🙄

  90. 90.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2024 at 8:06 pm

    @WaterGirl

    Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and Kennedy might have something to say to blatherbrain about wounds.
    //

  91. 91.

    Jeffro

    June 22, 2024 at 8:07 pm

    @Scout211: one of the Heritage goons tried that on MSNBC very recently…the hosts were like, “You’re going to deport 11 million people on the basis of one (very unfortunate) murder?  When immigrants have much lower crime/conviction rates than native-born Americans?”

    I suspect that President Biden’s response will be similar.

    “Are we now going to deport all red-state white men, Donnie?  They commit murder at 3x the rate of male immigrants…”

  92. 92.

    Jeffro

    June 22, 2024 at 8:08 pm

    @NotMax:

    I for one am not not expecting the usual pro forma handshake at the start.

    However should that take place, hoping Biden has a packet of wet wipes handy.

    “I sure hope you’re not going to try and give me Covid like last time, jack” – JB   ;)

  93. 93.

    Raoul Paste

    June 22, 2024 at 8:09 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yes, there was a massive bulge on the back of Bush Jr’s jacket.
    i’m assuming today’s technology has been miniaturized.  Still, unlikely

  94. 94.

    Jeffro

    June 22, 2024 at 8:10 pm

    @Princess: trump, in his opening remarks:

    “I’M HERE DID YOU NOTICE JOE IS PROBABLY DRUGGED TO THE GILLS LIKE ALWAYS??  WHAT IS HE ON?  EVERY ANSWER HE GIVES TONIGHT IS FUELED BY HIS SUPER DRUGS THAT HE’S ALWAYS TAKING EXCEPT WHEN HE DOESN’T”

    Which in its own way, works to Biden’s benefit. =)

  95. 95.

    HumboldtBlue

    June 22, 2024 at 8:11 pm

    @NotMax:

    Even Reagan took a fucking bullet.

  96. 96.

    WaterGirl

    June 22, 2024 at 8:12 pm

    @Raoul Paste: Hopefully they’ll do a scan. :-)

  97. 97.

    lollipopguild

    June 22, 2024 at 8:13 pm

    @smith: “Grown men in uniform with tears in their eyes came up to and said Sir we have this brand new thing called the 10 Commandments, you really need to read these Sir!’

  98. 98.

    Jackie

    June 22, 2024 at 8:16 pm

    @Jeffro: Saw that this morning on The Weekend. Michael Steele – former RNC Chairman and co-host of the show – is who snidely humiliated the Heritage Foundation bigwig (president?)!!!  It was fun to watch him squirm. I was amazed anyone from the Heritage Foundation would agree to be on MSNBC!

  99. 99.

    Honus

    June 22, 2024 at 8:17 pm

    @NotMax: thank you.  I hate that and always want to scream “it’s not pouring it’s poring”

  100. 100.

    trnc

    June 22, 2024 at 8:17 pm

    Trump to @theallinpod on upcoming debate against Biden: “All I can say is this, I watched him with Paul Ryan and he destroyed Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan with the water, he was chugging water left and right…and he beat Paul Ryan. So I’m not underestimating him.”

    Neither candidate had water on the table in the 2012 VP debate. DT is thinking of Rubio’s thirsty, thirsty SOTU response.

  101. 101.

    Harrison Wesley

    June 22, 2024 at 8:22 pm

    @Timill: Yooge stigmata, very bigly, only the best stigmata…

  102. 102.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2024 at 8:22 pm

    @trnc

    As I said at this here blog at the time, the face that launched a thousand sips.
    :)

  103. 103.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    June 22, 2024 at 8:23 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:This is the thing where if Trump doesn’t actually drop his pants and poo on the stage, he’s become an overnight genius, right?

    that’s my bet.

    Also, what is the point of the debates? It’s not like this will about policy.

  104. 104.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    June 22, 2024 at 8:24 pm

    @smith: “If I took this shirt off, you would see a beautiful beautiful person. But you would see wounds all over. I’ve taken a lot of wounds I can tell you. More than I suspect any president ever”

    Fucking eh, he really said this?

  105. 105.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 22, 2024 at 8:24 pm

    @Jackie:

    Digby had the clip. If you can stand it, it’s worth watching — as Digby notes — just to see how infuckingsane these Plan 2025 From Outer Space folks are.

    https://digbysblog.net/2024/06/22/they-are-fanatics/

  106. 106.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 22, 2024 at 8:26 pm

    @Honus:

    🎶 “It’s reigning, it’s poring.…” 🎶🎵

  107. 107.

    trnc

    June 22, 2024 at 8:26 pm

    @agorabum: ​
     

    I think there’s way too much crowing on leftist blogs that Trump is going to faceplant.

    Agreed.

  108. 108.

    Jackie

    June 22, 2024 at 8:27 pm

    Huh, an Air Force engineer just resigned in protest saying “the US is complicit in the genocide in Gaza.” Watching his interview with Ayman/MSNBC.

  109. 109.

    scav

    June 22, 2024 at 8:27 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: The old man is boaring.

  110. 110.

    Jeffro

    June 22, 2024 at 8:31 pm

    @Jackie:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I’m glad they had the Heritage nut on there – as with trumpov, there’s nothing like these psychos’ own words that makes them repellent to viewers and voters.

  111. 111.

    Starfish

    June 22, 2024 at 8:32 pm

    @Jackie: Someone should have a Gaza resignation counter.

  112. 112.

    Jackie

    June 22, 2024 at 8:32 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Thanks 😄 I watched with coffee this morning. Michael Steele is almost always fun to watch. He really has nothing but distain and disgust for today’s MAGA republicans.

  113. 113.

    Keith P.

    June 22, 2024 at 8:34 pm

    negotiating with Kimberly Guilfoyle for her to stand by the main monitor & flash flap her tits when he needs to be brought to attention

    Fixed.

  114. 114.

    TBone

    June 22, 2024 at 8:36 pm

    @TBone: this is what I just watched.

    Biden-Harris HQ
    @BidenHQ


    Trump: No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on. You want to wash your hair or you wanna wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can’t get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer. You trying, the worst is your hair. I have this beautiful luxuriant hair and I put stuff on. I put it in lather. I like lots of lather because I like it to come out extremely dry because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up and then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drip, drip and you say I’m gonna be here for 45 minutes. What? There’s so much water. You don’t know what to do with it. You know, it’s called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But, now their idea, you know, did you see the other day? They just, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they close it, washing machines to wash your dishes. There is a problem. They don’t want you to have any water. They want no water

  115. 115.

    Jackie

    June 22, 2024 at 8:46 pm

    @TBone: He used to go off with that tangent when he was in office. Kept saying water saver faucets, shower heads and toilets needed to be banned. That about when we learned it took multiple flushes to get rid of notes/papers he didn’t want the National Archives to get/see.

  116. 116.

    TBone

    June 22, 2024 at 8:55 pm

    @Jackie: yes, I have memes of him in prison with a large, Black cellmate shampooing his hair head.  Water problem solved 😂

    It was the washing machine for dishes, open closed, open closed part that had me today.  I guess you had to see it (and I’m sure the videos will live in infamy).  That’s when Fux cut away and cut him off.

  117. 117.

    Gretchen

    June 22, 2024 at 8:56 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:  »My old man was very energetic as his brain decomposed »

    A friend of ours hit his head in a bad fall last week and had a brain injury. This very sweet man had to be put in restraints because he was fighting off the nurses. They said that’s normal when the higher brain functions aren’t operative. As he’s healed he’s gotten less aggressive. Trump isn’t going to heal

     

    How do you people put a box around what other people said?

  118. 118.

    Baud

    June 22, 2024 at 8:59 pm

    @Gretchen:

    Click on the quotation marks in the menu above the text box to create a box.

  119. 119.

    Geminid

    June 22, 2024 at 9:00 pm

    @Jeffro: I tended to think that Trump would bail on this debate, but he hasn’t so far and now I read that his campaign has scheduled a rally in Virginia for the day after. They’re talking about staging it in the Hampton Roads area, and Governor Youngkin is supposed to show up. I’m not sure, but this could be the first time Trump and Foungkin’ Youngkin appear on the same stage.

  120. 120.

    Another Scott

    June 22, 2024 at 9:00 pm

    @Gretchen:

    How do you people put a box around what other people said?

    It’s called a “blockquote”.  In the Visual editor tab, click the ” button to start the blockquote, paste in what you want to quote, then click it [ the ” button ] again to end it.  You’ll probably have to click the Enter key twice to get out of the blockquote.

    I hope this helps!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  121. 121.

    karen marie

    June 22, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    “Single-issue voters with cryptocurrency on their minds” are the deciding block of voters?

    Oh, for fuck’s sake.

    Please tell me it’s satire.

  122. 122.

    Scout211

    June 22, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    @Gretchen: How do you people put a box around what other people said?

     

    @Another Scott: click the ” button to start the blockquote, paste in what you want to quote, then click it [ the ” button ] again to end it

    Or copy and paste into your comment what you wish to quote and then place the cursor anywhere in the paragraph or sentence that you want to quote and then tap the “ button.

    To the get the cursor out of the quote box, hit the return key several times.

    To place a quote box around several paragraphs that you have copied and pasted into your comment, select and highlight all the text that you wish to place in the quote box and then tap the “ button.

    There are different ways to accomplish the same thing.

  123. 123.

    zhena gogolia

    June 22, 2024 at 9:19 pm

    @karen marie: I believe it’s satire.

  124. 124.

    karen marie

    June 22, 2024 at 9:21 pm

    @dmsilev: You can’t be disinvited if you were never invited.  Debate participation isn’t by invitation, it’s by qualification.  RFKJr. didn’t – and still doesn’t – qualify.

  125. 125.

    Gretchen

    June 22, 2024 at 9:27 pm

    @Baud: thank you!

  126. 126.

    Old School

    June 22, 2024 at 9:33 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    I believe it’s satire.

    Alas, it is real.

  127. 127.

    Tony G

    June 22, 2024 at 9:35 pm

    @MattF: The members of the Trump Cult — i.e., almost all of the GOP — will support their God-Emperor regardless of what he says and does.  Almost all Democrats hate and despise Trump.  So it boils to down the question of how many people are — appallingly — “undecided” after nine years of this insanity.

  128. 128.

    karen marie

    June 22, 2024 at 9:48 pm

    @PaulB:

    both candidates will be trying to avoid gaffes

     

    Assumes fact not in evidence. Biden will be trying to avoid gaffes. Trump will put you on his enemies list if you suggest he needs to try to avoid gaffes. Those are his bread and butter.

  129. 129.

    Sister Golden Bear

    June 22, 2024 at 11:41 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Nah, if Trump does take a dump on stage the media courtiers will wet themselves proclaiming what a genius way it way to convey Real ‘Muricans’ distain for shitlib Demonrats.

  130. 130.

    Yutsano

    June 22, 2024 at 11:54 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: ​She needs to sue like yesterday. Then if she passes on before the suit ends her estate needs to take over. That’s just terrible.

  131. 131.

    Chet Murthy

    June 23, 2024 at 12:23 am

    @Yutsano: She sued, and got damages, but they didn’t even cover the cost of her medical treatments (which  didn’t work of course).  It’s horrible alright.  And normies persist in thinking that we live in a democratic state, that the po-po won’t go Full Fash at the drop of a hat.

  132. 132.

    rikyrah

    June 23, 2024 at 3:16 am

    @Me:

    I swore that was DougJ

     

    LOL

  133. 133.

    rikyrah

    June 23, 2024 at 3:18 am

    @dmsilev:

    I don’t see him showing up

  134. 134.

    Ruckus

    June 23, 2024 at 3:20 am

    @Yutsano:

    I’m an old and I’ve watched the prior generation and the rest of my family all reach the end. Not one of them was as insane as SFB is, hell all of them added together didn’t come within a million miles of how insane and asinine he is. Now insane might not be the correct diagnosis but it is damn close. And no one is going to argue about the asinine part. Every time any more that he opens his gob he says stupid, dumbass, asinine, nothing of value crap. Because that is all shitforbrains has left. He’s angry because he’s about 5% aware of how stupid and dumbass he sounds and he’s angry about that and angry that this is a good as he’s ever going to be and the reality that it’s only slightly worse than he’s always been in his entire life.

  135. 135.

    Ruckus

    June 23, 2024 at 3:38 am

    @Eyeroller:

    Sorry but hone in on said another way is to zero in on. It means to get to the point. It is not nothing at all.

    It is just that it is not all that much used anymore.

  136. 136.

    TBone

    June 23, 2024 at 5:53 am

    @Ruckus: thank you.  I was taught English by my family of teachers and spent life using our language for lawyers, and they never dictated “home in on” in a sentence. Ever. English Lit major also.

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