Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Lick the third rail, it tastes like chocolate!

The arc of history bends toward the same old fuckery.

He really is that stupid.

There is no compromise when it comes to body autonomy. You either have it or you don’t.

The real work of an opposition party is to oppose.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

Consistently wrong since 2002

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. keep building.

American History and Black History can not be separated.

Baby steps, because the Republican Party is full of angry babies.

Republican obstruction dressed up as bipartisanship. Again.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

You can’t love your country only when you win.

There are more Russians standing up to Putin than Republicans.

A norm that restrains only one side really isn’t a norm – it’s a trap.

It’s the corruption, stupid.

Don’t expect peaches from an apple tree.

When you’re a Republican, they let you do it.

This must be what justice looks like, not vengeful, just peaceful exuberance.

Just because you believe it, that doesn’t make it true.

Oh FFS you might as well trust a 6-year-old with a flamethrower.

“I never thought they’d lock HIM up,” sobbed a distraught member of the Lock Her Up Party.

In my day, never was longer.

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I can’t wait to post this in a climate post, I needed you to see it now

Here’s the full testimony (ongoing, I believe)

Kick them harder, Pete, kick them harder.

Open thread

ETA: Since this is technically about climate – and I follow David Roberts pretty closely, he just posted this about their new pup. As the mom of Great Danes, I can sympathize, but will say, at least he didn’t EAT the couch (I’ve had two couches eaten by Danes, and a half wall and a porch railing).

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  3. 3.

    matt

    You know, there’s a pretty small dog cage in the background of that photo, which suggests to me a certain line of causality.

  5. 5.

    Chet Murthy

    @rikyrah: you know, i’m no fan of Mckinsey at all, but Pete’s delivery there is sort of the trademark of what these big management consulting firms look for in their hires.

  6. 6.

    WaterGirl

    Pete doesn’t even need to use the words “fuck off, you lying piece of shit” to get his point across.  He is a better man than me.

  8. 8.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    Chevez-Deremer is up there yammering about the cost of projects during these “high inflationary times”.

    Lie #1.

    Her spiel is “permit by rule”, another (R) deregulatory pet rock.  JFC, my agency was nothing but trimming regulatory timelines and working with state DOTs to track that and make it very streamlined without sacrificing appropriate regulatory oversight on safety, environment, etc.

    Sec Pete didn’t have to say much in response and didn’t.

    We’ve said it many times and it’s always on display, he’s a *really* effective communicator.

  10. 10.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    Pete would make a great solicitor general. He so quick witted, he’d rip Alito and Judge Rapey apart during oral arguments.

  12. 12.

    Belafon

    One of my coworkers got hit by the “Hi, I’m sheriff Brown and you have outstanding warrants and you need to pay and you need to pay with gift cards to clear it up” scam. He’s a software engineer, so not exactly dumb, but when you think about what people might know compared to you, I have known about this particular scam for at least two years. He lost money, but it was someone at a CVS who helped him figure out what was going on.

  13. 13.

    bbleh

    Secretary Pete evidently looked in his bag of Fucks To Give and discovered it was empty.

  20. 20.

    different-church-lady

    @Belafon: Okay, I guess I’ve finally reached the age where I just assume everyone is younger than me. :-/

  21. 21.

    Martin

    @different-church-lady: Oh, no fucking way kids are falling for that. To start with, it would require answering a cold phone call, which they aint doing unless you text them first because that’s how you filter out the scammers.

  23. 23.

    different-church-lady

    @Martin: ​No matter what age you are, I’m a bit stumped by the “Can’t figure out a real Sheriff wouldn’t want gift cards” part.

  24. 24.

    Geminid

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: Rep. Chavez-DeRemer represents an Oregon district that Joe Biden would have won by almost 10 points, so she may end up a one-termer. In 2022, she barely beat Democrat Jamie McLeod-Skinner, by 7400 out of 351,000 votes cast. Fifth CD Democrats are running state Rep. Janelle Bynum this year.

    Curt “Fvcking” Schrader represented the 5th until McLeod-Skinner knocked him out in the 2022 primary..

  25. 25.

    bbleh

    @Martin: ahh THAT explains the one-two punch I’ve gotten on recent solicitations.  I wondered why they started doing that …

  26. 26.

    Chet Murthy

    @Trollhattan: I wondered that too.  Maybe the couch cushions ?  And the cushion cover/bag/whatever is underneath the pile of stuffing ?

    ETA: on second thought, after a more-careful inspection of the photo, I retract my suggestion.  Got no idea what that stuff was.

  27. 27.

    Trollhattan

    @Belafon: I treasure that one.

    An early version had the computer lady telling me that if I did not immediately clear up my “outstanding warrants” then they would be “forced to turn them over to the local cops.” Exact quote.

    You can imagine how little I slept after that.

  29. 29.

    arielibra

    @rikyrah: This morning you quoted a GOP ad: “Vote Joe Biden today, get Kamala Harris tomorrow.”

    Can I take that to the bank this time? I still want my taco trucks too!

  30. 30.

    Marmot

    @Belafon:

    He’s a software engineer, so not exactly dumb, but when you think about what people might know compared to you, I have known about this particular scam for at least two years. He lost money, but it was someone at a CVS who helped him figure out what was going on.

    Clearly, he should do continuing education at CVS.

  34. 34.

    Eyeroller

    @Timill: ​There’s a rather deflated-looking comforter on the couch. Nope: there’s a pillow right there with feathers coming out from a ripped-up end. The comforter could be a second victim, however.

  36. 36.

    dnfree

    @Belafon: The CVS people always ask me when I’m buying a gift card (which I do when they are 20% off).  But they have told me that they have people they can tell are being scammed but deny it, because whoever is scamming them has told them they might be asked and they should deny it.

  38. 38.

    kindness

    Well, Republicans can’t exactly run on their records so they run on the lies their dark corners churn out.  I read a piece yesterday that Europeans are starting to ignore the Russian troll farms.  Sure wish the locals this side of the pond would do the same with ours.

  39. 39.

    Chet Murthy

    @dm: “Buh-leeev me,  I’m smart!  I have great genes, my uncle was an MIT physicist!”

  41. 41.

    Belafon

    @Martin: Young people are still falling for scams, no matter how savvy we think they are. It’s pretty much any age. They find out information online about you, and they target you. Young people have college debt and there are scams about how you’re behind on  your payments or how you can send money and get your debt cleared. And the sheriff scam affects them too.

  42. 42.

    different-church-lady

    @jame: ​

    Especially want to thank everyone who shared their unsolicited judgments on our dog-rearing practices based on the evidence of a single picture.

    What the hell else is social media for?

  43. 43.

    different-church-lady

    @Belafon: One of the most recent things to make me stabby: my father died last year. And probate scams started showing up in the mail.

  47. 47.

    Chet Murthy

    @Omnes Omnibus: I like Mayor Pete.  In a bureaucrat, that style of delivery is actually pretty effective and valuable.  I’m just noting that seeing it in a person doesn’t correlate with other values we might want them to hold, b/c it’s something that’s learned and trained into consultants.

    I met a McK consultant once: they told me about how the most important thing they think about every day onsite (on a job) is “the elevator question”.  That is to say, you get into the elevator to go up to some floor of the building at your client; a couple of floors up (before your destination) the doors open and the CEO steps in.  Doors close, and he looks over at you and says “so, how’s it going to?”

    He’s an excellent communicator.  That’s to be expected, given his pedigree.  That’s all I’m saying.

  48. 48.

    TBone

    @different-church-lady: I got a solicitation letter today from a “cremation specialist.” It asked me to fill out a survey (including current income and how much I expect to pay for a funeral).  The stamp was cute, it had a little white barn with a big American flag.  Some really small town here in PA funeral home just bought someone’s mailing list of gullible old people addresses.  How did we get on the list?  Hubby is still registered Rethuglican for camouflage!

  51. 51.

    Kelly

    @Geminid: Fifth CD Democrats are running state Rep. Janelle Bynum this year.

    Bynum beat Chavez-DeRemer for that state rep seat twice. I like our odds.

  52. 52.

    Chet Murthy

    @TBone: God that reminds me of the story in Glengarry Glen Ross about how they generated new leads: it was surveys like the one you describe (though I think in the movie they were placed in magazines).

  53. 53.

    jimmyraybob

    Let’s face it, we started going downhill when we replaced the Whale Blubber oil industry with Big Petroleum.  Thanks a lot fricken Biden.

    Don’t even get me started on the devastation, by the Deep State, of our once wonderful horse-buggy industry … which I might add, had a long history and tradition in our once great nation.

    [hello moderator: I will use correct user name next time.  Obviously I am still quite shaken by the whole blubber thing.]

  55. 55.

    TBone

    P S. If the unthinkable happens in Roevember, I’m immediately changing my party registration.  Overwhelm the lists.

  56. 56.

    RaflW

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Part of what I love about Pete Buttigieg’s pugilism is how much he seems to actually enjoy it. He knows he’s winning. He knows he’s smarter, better informed, and a better debater. And he just goes for it.

    No need to get mad when you’re getting even (and pulling ahead).

  57. 57.

    Ruckus

    @Martin:

    I am an OLD, and I know better than to answer calls from someone/somewhere I don’t know. Of course I learned this when I got my first cell phone and could see who or what number was calling. So about 30 yrs ago.

  58. 58.

    Roberto el oso

    Pete B is very affable, that’s for sure. He still manages to throw a little elbow here and there, like with that after-comment on how car sales are seasonal … “which most people know” …. LOL ….

  59. 59.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @Kelly:

    @Geminid: Fifth CD Democrats are running state Rep. Janelle Bynum this year.
    Bynum beat Chavez-DeRemer for that state rep seat twice. I like our odds.

    Good to hear.

    The oft-maligned “regulatory hurdles” are there for a reason and again, I saw DOT, particularly my mode, spend a lot of effort to get them to where they are now. Believe me, if they were at all what your bog-standard GQP congressasshhole portrays them as, state DOTs would be howling.

    They’re not.

  60. 60.

    zhena gogolia

    @dnfree: Someone in my town was told to withdraw a lot of money (to put in a paper bag), and not to say anything to the employees in the bank, one of whom was a teller she’s dealt with for 20 years, because it was “an inside job.”

  63. 63.

    raven

    Oklahoma’s State Superintendent Requires Public Schools to Teach the Bible

    The state superintendent, Ryan Walters, said the Bible was a “necessary historical document” that must be taught in certain grades.

  65. 65.

    Eolirin

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: The problem with well managed regulatory systems is that they eliminate the problems they were designed to solve and then no one really gets why they were important anymore.

    Kinda like vaccines.

    @raven: What the actual fuck. I can’t even with this bullshit.

  66. 66.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    JFC, I should have known somebody like Chavez-Deremer (who I’d never heard of until watching some of Sec Pete’s testimony) was a tool:

    https://aflcio.org/scorecard/legislators/lori-chavez-deremer

    10% overall score which is 40% better than the rest of the House Republicans Assholes.

    I did a slight dive on this “permit to rule” crap. It’s touted as “bipartisan” because Peltola is a co-sponsor, the only (D) on that list and since it’s Alaska, well…

  70. 70.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @raven:

    Obama was going to take away his guns.

    I continue to this day to be upset that we never got the FEMA Reeducation Camps for Conservative white Christians that Obama promised us.

    This Roman-era, apocalyptic death cult that grew out of Persian-era apocalyptic death cults which in turn grew out of Iron Age goatherd traditions that may contain some echoes of older Bronze Age tribal religions cannot wither away fast enough.

  72. 72.

    Suzanne

    @raven:

    My BIL believes all this shit about being a “christian nation” and that Obama was going to take away his guns. 

    Sounds like a guy who needs his guns taken away.

  73. 73.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    @Omnes Omnibus: ​

    In total, of the 114 justices appointed to the Court, 49 have had law degrees, an additional 18 attended some law school but did not receive a degree, and 47 received their legal education without any law school attendance.

    FDR appointed 3 justices who had no law degree.​

    Moreover, to get up to speed, all Pete has to do is stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

  74. 74.

    HumboldtBlue

    @Jackie: ​ 

    Sorry, odd, it wasn’t paywalled for me, and I’m not a subscriber. I can recall the days when I would read the LA Times front to back, it used to be a great newspaper.

  75. 75.

    TBone

    Meanwhile, on the campaign trail 👀

    Extremist commentator Christiane Northrup has promoted a pro-Nazi film that denies the Holocaust, encouraged people to check out the infamous antisemitic tract Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and repeatedly pushed the conspiracy theory that a secretive mafia is hiding behind Jewish identity to control world events.

    …

    Northrup is listed as a “featured” speaker on the pro-Trump ReAwaken America Tour. She, along with Eric and Lara Trump — now the co-chair of the Republican National Committee — appeared on the tour’s stops at Trump Doral in Miami, Florida, in May and October 2023.
    A poster for the tour’s next stop in Selma, North Carolina, in October lists Northrup, Eric Trump, and Lara Trump as scheduled speakers.
    The tour has become a magnet for Hitler-promoting antisemites. Including Northrup, Media Matters has now identified at least five speakers who have shared antisemitic and pro-Hitler material.

    Fine, fine, perfectly fine…

    This is the caliber of people who come to speak at the Republican presidential candidate’s home. Raving nut-cases. And the chair of the RNC and her husband, the candidate’s son, are on the campaign trail with her.

    https://digbysblog.net/2024/06/27/trail-mix-nuts/

  76. 76.

    citizen dave

    @HumboldtBlue: Thank you!  This needs to be a television ad–where can I contribute to get it on the air?  Sara Cooper is so great at that.

  78. 78.

    raven

    @Suzanne: Funny you would say that. His son became addicted to opioids when he got cancer and ended up getting busted on burglary, drug possession  and possessing guns while committing the crimes. (the law did take HIS guns away) The young man is now in his late 20’s and he, and his bible humping dad, love to get drunk together. It’s really hard on my wife because she loves them and wants to help but I don’t think there is anything she can do.

  81. 81.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @raven: Ages ago we studied the Bible as part of world religions. It didn’t compare well to some of the literature of other religions…

    And yes, even as kids we thought that the teacher of that course was a little bit subversive (though we probably didn’t know that word).

  82. 82.

    Leto

    @raven: I’m sorry man. That really sucks, especially with family. I don’t know what it’ll take to break this fever grip, but I hope we figure it out.

  84. 84.

    JPL

    @TBone: Just wait until one of our conservative Supreme Court members that he isn’t part of the crowd.

    I wonder if he knows that our esteemed Vice President was called a DEI hire by Jesse Watters of Fox News.

  85. 85.

    Ruckus

    @different-church-lady:

    It has always been rare for many kids to actually grow up as they age up. Some do and do so easily but it’s still rare. If someone gets to full adult stage at say 21, they have a full adult life in front of them. If someone hasn’t actually achieved full on teen age and responsibility by the time they are 18, they will likely be rather poor candidates for actual adulthood. And of course we now see 18 as the year of adulthood, they can vote and every thing. I am prejudiced about this, I figured that if I could be drafted at 18 – and there was a war on and there was the draft when I did turn 18 but I couldn’t vote till I was 21, which was bull and shit. It did change but many males paid that price of having absolutely no say in their lives. Or in their very short lives….

  86. 86.

    TBone

    @raven: the best help she can offer is absolutely none at all.  Rock bottom is the only way they’ll ever get anywhere close to coming back up.  It’s hard, but she’ll be doing no one any good “helping” in that situation.

    I just learned that again with a friend, the hard way.  Apparently I needed the reminder.

  87. 87.

    Redshift

    I’m with Pete; the number of outlets where “slight flattening of the rising curve” got translated to “buyers don’t want EVs any more, oh noes!” is pretty infuriating.

  90. 90.

    TBone

    Holy shit, that dystopian ad made me laugh in a very wrong way. 🌹

    Good practice for tonight.

  91. 91.

    JPL

    @Redshift: My son is building an all electric house, and just bought a Rivian.   He really loves the new Rivian.   Not sure what to call it,  because it’s large but not a tank.   They have done road trips and just research where to stop for a quick charge.   Since they have a 3 and 5 year old, they have to stop anyways.

  92. 92.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @Redshift:

    Exactly.

    As I’ve mentioned before, I own a 2023 Bolt EV.  Great car, phenomenal value.  When GM starts producing the next-gen Bolt EUV next year, and can keep the pricing around $30-32K, they’ll sell them faster than they’ll be able to make em in the KS plant.

  94. 94.

    Soapdish

    I went to Xitter to show my wife the damage the dog did and if you scroll down there’s a closeup picture of the dog.  She said, “That look says, ‘I did it. And I’d do it again.'” I can’t say she’s wrong.

  95. 95.

    CaseyL

    @Ruckus: The age at which a person becomes an adult in terms of their ability to lead a responsible life changes all the time – along with the definition of “responsible.”  I was a teenager during the legislative campaign to lower the voting age to 18, and being-old-enough-to-die-in-a-war-but-not-to-vote made absolutely perfect sense.  Then, and now.  (That was also the argument to lower the drinking age to 18 in some places, but not everywhere, and I think many states that did lower the legal drinking age have raised it back up again.)

    In the UK (and, I think, some European countries), there’s a push to lower the voting age still more, to 16 or 17.  Again, the reasoning is sound:  these kids are going to grow up in a world their elders are in the process of using up and throwing away; they should have some political power before that  becomes irreversible.

    But I’ve also been around long enough to see that “truly responsible” people at age 16, 17 or 18 are… not as thick upon the ground as we like to think.  And a horrifying percentage of alleged grownups, of all ages, are the same way: not capable, or interested, in making responsible decisions for themselves, much less for anyone else.

  97. 97.

    Ruckus

    @raven:

    There is very little that can be done. A lot of adults make very bad decisions, part of growing up is supposed to be learning to make better decisions. A way bigger percentage of humanity than should be never learn to make good decisions. Either they are incapable of doing so or they really, really, really think that they already have. Some people just really do not want to ever actually grow up. The decisions become more serious, more difficult, more demanding, and for someone who can not take life more seriously, does not have the skills to deal with difficult nor the personality to deal with demanding, they usually take the easy way out, don’t make decisions – you can’t be wrong then. Except of course life does not work that way. Now some people have life come at them with all the good parts and none of the shitty. Others get the exact opposite and most people are somewhere in the middle. This likely does not need to be stated here, most of us are adults, and seemingly most of us have had normal amounts of good and shitty and have dealt with both of them OK / reasonably. Life is like a parade. With horses walking ahead of you. There is always going to be shit in the road, it’s natural and normal. It’s how you step around and over the shit in the parade that counts. And of course you can’t always do that. It’s what you do when you can’t avoid the shit in the road that defines you.

  101. 101.

    Bugboy

    What I really like about the Secretary Buttigieg is that he just completely blows by their attempts to rattle him, rarely indulging in their bullshit or trying to reason with them about it.  He just sticks to his plan and soldiers on with a big smile on his face.  If being a highly trained corporate consultant is what it takes to deal with “flooding the zone”, then so be it.

  102. 102.

    JPL

    trump just landed.    Gotta say I’m like Baud, early to bed, early to rise.   I did tell fam that they could text only if trump walked off stage.

  104. 104.

    Redshift

    I’m trying to decide what to do. I joined a campaign meeting about how to amplify good messages about the debate. And I signed up to go to the watch party at my local campaign office, mostly to reinforce connections with staff.

    But I really don’t like watching debates, they always make me feel anxious, even with a friendly crowd (and even if my candidate is doing well.)

  105. 105.

    eclare

    @Redshift:

    I am not watching, I would be too terrified that Joe won’t do well.  Although I am sure he will.  I guess I’m a nervous Nellie.

  106. 106.

    RaflW

    @raven: There have been some helpful suggestions around Bsky.

    Proverbs 14:31 “Whoever oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.”

    Luke 3:11 John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

    Luke 14:13 “But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed.”

    And some Old Testament – Leviticus 19:33-34
    “When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt.”

    —

    Cue the “No, not like that!” chorus of, ahem, Bible believing Christian politicians.

  107. 107.

    CaseyL

    @eclare:

    It’s like the old saying about women working in male-dominated fields:  Biden will have be twice as good as Trump to get half the credit.

    (More like 4x, for one-tenth the credit, with today’s MSM.)

  108. 108.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @raven: There has got to be an arena that is lion capable somewhere in Oklahoma for this guy to be disposed in.  Of course, the ASPCA would object, animal cruelty and all.

  109. 109.

    raven

    All. Yea, I’ve gotten pretty good of just avoiding any engagement when they start.

  110. 110.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @RaflW: Luke 3:11 “John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

    Looking at you, Steve Bannon.

  111. 111.

    Baud

    @eclare:

    Part of the problem is we’ve been conditioned to expect the media and other people to go bezerk with every stutter or mistep. We end up pre-frustrated, and that’s no fun.

  113. 113.

    JPL

    @eclare: Ha   Same!   Atlanta area is swamped with ads and now showing is the police officer supporting Biden because of January 6.

    I want to see a daisy type of ad, where trump praised his supremes and in the background are school children with inhalers  in a smog filled park.

  116. 116.

    Bupalos

    @Chet Murthy: That’s pretty reductive. Buttigiege is simply a brilliant guy raised by brilliant liberal arts academics that has excelled because he’s naturally gifted and disciplined enough to have excelled at the world’s top educational institutions. Literature, history, politics languages, piano…, of course he’s awesome in communication. The dude is straight up crazy smart. Period.

    He worked at a consulting firm for like 2 years, straight after finishing theses at Oxford and Harvard on stuff like the political and sociological significance of Puritans in England and early America. He spent longer in Afghanistan than he did at McKinsey, and it’s just really kinda weird to act like he got permanently borged by a stint that is barely an asterisk. McKinsey is emphatically NOT where Buttigiege learned to communicate. He’s using that style there because that’s the style that is effective in that kind of venue. He could also play you a piano sonata about it, but that might come off a little odd.

  117. 117.

    Suzanne

    @raven: Ughhhhh. That sounds difficult and bad, and I’m sorry.

    You’ve mentioned relatives who live in Mesa….. is this them? If so, that’s an environment full of toxic patriarchy and gun humpers.

  118. 118.

    HumboldtBlue

    But, for that reason, the Biden team is also preparing for the debate to be deeply personal and potentially angry, too. Biden makes no secret of his distaste for Trump, whom he refers to as a “sick fuck” in private and believes is a stain on the White House. And aides are preparing for Trump to attack Biden’s son HUNTER, who was convicted on a gun charge this month, urging the president to flash a little anger that could resonate with Americans whose own families have struggled with addiction.

  120. 120.

    scav

    @raven: Presumably he’d be very much upset if by “teaching the bible” that o! so important historical document! the bible was actually taught as a historical document with roots and sources and editors and rough drafts of discarded chapters.

  123. 123.

    zhena gogolia

    @Baud: Maybe if Trump says something about Jill’s hair. “Keep my wife’s name out your fuckin mouth,” anyone?

  124. 124.

    Ruckus

    @CaseyL:

    See my response to raven at #97.

    I do not believe that we can give the ability to die for your country without giving the responsibility at the same age. We didn’t 50+ yrs ago and I’d bet that has never changed.

    Sure some/likely many will not be able to fully handle life at 18 or even at 81 but that is life. If we want a country that allows us to be responsible then we have to allow / demand it or punish irresponsibility. And we do. We did with people unable to accept responsibility in the military, often quite harshly, a wake up call if you will. (I spent a bit of time in the Shore Patrol in the Navy. To the uninitiated that is the Navy police. Each segment of the military has similar) One learns and often learns quickly and often in a very significant fashion. Or one pays that rather harsh price. I doubt it’s changed in half a century.

  127. 127.

    Jackie

    I’m in the Pacific time zone, so I plan to watch the debate. Biden arrived in Atlanta awhile ago and he was greeted by a yuge crowd of supporters. He was almost being mobbed (poor SS) and Biden was LOVING IT! Lots of hugs and hand grasping. THAT was his drug boost for tonight!♥️

    I hope he wears his Beau Biden Foundation tie for extra luck.

  128. 128.

    sab

    It looks like the couch wasn’t eaten. Somebody popped a down pillow or even a whole quilt.

    My late lamented German Shepherd pulled up the carpet and chewed up the carpet pad for an entire room. She was only six months old at the time.

  131. 131.

    raven

    @Jackie: Including our local hero Michael Thurmond currently the CEO of DeKalb County!

     

    Thurmond was raised as a sharecropper’s son in Clarke County, Georgia. He graduated cum laude with a B.A. in Philosophy and Religion from Paine College and later earned a Juris Doctor degree from the University of South Carolina School of Law.[1] He also completed the Political Executives program at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.

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    Ruckus

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    There is no laundry on this planet that can clean one of those shirts enough to any level that would allow anyone else to wear it. Even a wino who lives under a bridge has a higher standard of cleanliness than steve.

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    WaterGirl

    @Roberto el oso:

    … “which most people know” …. LOL …

    I laughed out loud at that one.  Pete is usually affable, but he seemed pissed to me in that video today.  The closest I’ve seen to him being angry in public.  Normally he keeps his voice really smooth, even when he’s pushing back.

    I don’t have any problem with him showing anger today.  These people lie to your face and mislead the public and it’s infuriating!

  134. 134.

    JPL

    Jill Biden got more attention when her plane landed, then the orange trump.

    At least the channel I was watching.  sad

  138. 138.

    Leto

    Absolute BS in the USMNT game; Panamanian player absolutely took out the US keeper, no card, nothing. US player shoves a Panamanian player off of him, because the dude wouldn’t stop riding up on him, gets sent off with a red. Just insane.

  140. 140.

    Joy in FL

    That poor guy with the destroyed couch! My third Great Dane ate a very comfortable couch. She also used to chew her toe nails, and often she slept with her front legs up in the air.

    In 2007, I made a video of her in her customized couch. She was almost 2 years old at the time. What a funny, good dog (except for eating some furniture). I miss her and love her so much! The video is less than 3 minutes long. I put the link below in case anyone wants to watch her give herself a manicure and fall asleep briefly in the middle of it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=BqDH5qfT3OI

  143. 143.

    different-church-lady

    Holy god people, are you seriously watching the candidates get off their planes?

  146. 146.

    sab

    @sab: She lived to twelve when she died of cancer. Bestest best dog ever. Of course we forgave her puppyish indisgressions.

  148. 148.

    Geminid

    @Leto: Yesterday in the Euros, one of Czechia’s best players picked up two yellows and was out of the game against Turkiye 20 minutes in. Czechia played hard with 10 men and Turkiye could not break a 1-1 tie until stoppage time.

    After the game there was a brawl, and a Czech got a red card and two Turks got yellows. Turkiye will play Austria in the knockout round while Czechia’s team goes home.

  152. 152.

    Other MJS

    @sab:

    Obama had two terms and we still have our guns.

    Both Clinton and Obama “destroyed America” and it rises from the dead as soon as a Gooper gets in.

  154. 154.

    satby

    @Bupalos: Thank you! Absolutely a stupid take to continually bring up McKinsey. Almost as bad as calling Secretary Pete Mayor Pete. He hasn’t been a mayor for four years.

  156. 156.

    suzanne

    @raven: Not surprised that your Nazi SIL lives in Mesa. There is absolutely a white supremacist contingent there. It was a big problem when I was in high school.

    A few years ago, I was staying at a Hampton Inn in San Bernardino, CA, attending a music festival. Took the kids to breakfast and a group of Hammerskins sat down at the table next to ours. Recognized it instantly and GTFO.

  159. 159.

    Leto

    @Geminid: oh, I watched that game and it was wild; ref lost total control and it was ugly. Honestly surprised he didn’t start carding fans in the stands, because he sure as hell was carding literally everyone else. It was the Oprah meme with cards: YOU GET A CARD! YOU GET A CARD! YOU GET A CARD!

    Edit: I’ll simply say, Panama is out here mugging our guys, and the ref can’t find his cards.

  166. 166.

    SeattleDem

    @hueyplong: I had to explain to someone at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam that there was little risk of Seatac being a burnt out husk, in spite of Fox News coverage of post Apocalypse scenes in Seattle.

  169. 169.

    WaterGirl

    @Joy in FL: I cried my way through the entire video.  How wonderful that you have a video of your goofball.  I need to take video of my guys, I don’t know why I don’t.

  171. 171.

    Dan B

    @JPL: Good on your son for an all electric house and vehicle.  Our house was gas furnace and gas stove.  Now it’s air sealed, insulated, ductless heat pumps, induction cooktops, solar PV, and an EV.  We still have the gas dryer but only use it every two months or so.  Replacing it would have a higher carbon footprint than keeping it.

    About EV range, we started with an 85 mile range EV.  It showed all the chargers on any route plus reviews by users which helped when they were down for repairs.  It also showed which ones were occupied and for how long.  I wish such reviews and reports were still available. It made trips an adventure. At present these would be easy to hack and there’s the issue of theft of the copper wires.  But I’m seeing more streetside chargers.  These will be a game changer.

  173. 173.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: relishing:

    This Roman-era, apocalyptic death cult that grew out of Persian-era apocalyptic death cults which in turn grew out of Iron Age goatherd traditions that may contain some echoes of older Bronze Age tribal religions cannot wither away fast enough.

  174. 174.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @Anoniminous: is there really such a section? I’m not much of a bible reader. There would be a lot to say about daughter fucking. A real lot to say..

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