I got nothing. Still doing a slow burn about all the media bobbleheads. I mean, I suppose if you are a white well off dude, fuck it, replace Biden and cede the election. Not like it’s gonna have a real impact on your life in the short term.
Fucking assholes.
Mapaghimagsik
I have Styx and Foreigner. So there’s that
jackmac
In college and through most of my career as a writer/editor, the New York Times was the standard of journalistic excellence. I was a 7-day print subscriber for many years and maintain a digital subscription because they still offer more good than bad. I even still pick up the Sunday dead tree edition.
But a tipping point has arrived.
And after he struggled in this week’s debate, the Times editorial board called on Biden to step down. Russ Douthart warned of the “dramatic dangers” of a second Biden term. Maureen Dowd went full-scale projection when she called Biden “selfish” and putting himself ahead of the country. A three-byline story quoted anonymous donors who were pondering ways to remove Biden from the ticket.
And that’s just from Saturday’s Times home page.
Donald Trump stood at the podium this week and produced a firehose of lies and misdirection. Where’s the wall-to-wall coverage of Trump’s many misdeeds, incompetence in his first term (and prospects for more in a second)?
And where is the editorial calling on Trump to step aside.
All I hear are crickets coming from Times HQ in Manhattan.
Urza
Maybe not right away since they’ll have plenty of other targets, but Project 2025 will have a section to eventually get around to scouring the web for liberals to and find or make up something to reduce their chance of ever having power again. Anyone that doesn’t show proper deference and fealty.
Trivia Man
FTFNYT and Villago Delenda Est
now more than ever
Freemark
I’m already tired of too many juicers on here shitting themselves because he had a bad debate performance. If Joe Fucking Biden had literally shit himself on stage like these fucks are doing figuratively I would still vote for him. Because, A, replacing him would be a guaranteed ticket MAGATsville and B, he has been a god damn fucking awesome President. Even if he wets and shits himself on a daily basis for the next four and half years he would still be, just from what he has accomplished to this date, the best fucking President of my 55 years on this planet.
Baud
@Freemark:
Consider turning that into a letter to the editor. I ♥️ it.
zhena gogolia
@Freemark: EXCELLENT!
gene108
Biden has the benefit of incumbency, and so does Trump being a former president.
A non-Biden will be met with “Trump’s done the job. He knows what he needs to do”.
The entire campaign will flip from the Democratic candidate being old and feeble to the Democratic candidate being far less experienced than Trump.
Chet Murthy
@Freemark:
Amen to that!
zhena gogolia
I just subscribed to the Philadelphia Inquirer, and cancelled my subscription to the Atlantic, which has Tom Nichols bashing Biden on the front page.
Baud
@gene108:
I remained surprised how many liberals still think we can find a way around media propaganda.
Frank Wilhoit
@zhena gogolia:
I’ve never trusted Nichols. You can take the boy out of the Party but you can’t take the Party out of the boy.
delphinium
@zhena gogolia:
Yeesh, not a huge Nichols fan but in general, he seemed to be level-headed.
BretH
@jackmac: Same thing for the Washington Post. All Biden, Biden, Biden and nothing about the raving lying lunatic next to him.
WaterGirl
@delphinium: Quite a few pundits showing their asses – beyond the usual suspects!
Chris
@Baud:
It shouldn’t be impossible. But it can’t happen until the average liberal wakes up to the fact that the media is not on their side and that the just-so headline stories that come to dominate narratives are almost always made with ulterior motives by people putting their thumb on the scale.
I have no idea what it’s going to take to make that happen. Even after 2016, even after the last four years, Democrats still think it’s somehow the candidate’s fault if he can’t stop the media from making him look bad, and not that the media is going to find something to make him look bad no matter what, and simply make it up out of thin air if they can’t find anything.
sixthdoctor
@Freemark: Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
bbleh
Soooo … nothing to be done about the bobbleheads or the incentives driving them, nor the stupids who believe what they are told by media of whom they are captives. So do something YOU CAN do that CAN make a difference.
Donate! Volunteer! Organize! We are going to win this by getting low-propensity Dem-leaning voters in swing states to the polls, and that requires consistent time and energy on the part of organizations, which in turn require volunteers and donations. DO THAT, and stop fretting. (And btw you’ll feel better.)
Lyrebird
@Freemark: Ayup.
You said it all!
Kelly
This is the anniversary of the 2021 Pacific NW heat dome. I don’t have official records for our neighborhood here in Oregon’s western Cascade foothills but folks figure June 29th 2021 was 8 to 10 degrees F hotter here than ever before. We were still surrounded by the charred aftermath of the Labor Day 2020 fires which really set a bad vibe. Freaked me out. Expected everything to catch fire again. Well, Lytton BC did burn down.
Many “It’s called summer” replies to the NWS Portland twitter thread. The remaining climate change deniers will never concede.
ETA: whoops that was yesterday June 28th
Eunicecycle
@Freemark: this is a thing of beauty.
Rusty
I was concerned at the beginning of the debate, but thought Biden got stronger as it went on and Trumps failure to answer questions, lies and repetition didn’t help him in the end. Two days out I am loath to give up on the best president in my voting lifetime. He is older, but is also a damn sight wiser and more savvy. I’ll take it.
Hoodie
@Chris: The media doesn’t give Dems a break because Dems seem to be the only ones that care what those idiots think, I.e., Dems still believe in the idea of a fair and impartial press. The Trumpists don’t- they have their own paid media. They go on mainstream media just to shamelessly lie and don’t care that the press knows that. The regular press knows that the GOP doesn’t care what the press does except to the extent they’re props in the MAGA passion play in the MAGA media. This is how the Dems end up getting portrayed as the only ones with agency because they’re the only ones who’ll play the game.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@jackmac:
Freedom of the press is the only freedom that rich people can buy and use for their own purposes. Freedom of the press is being used by the powerful to take away many of our freedoms.
Freedom of the press is the only freedom that is for sale to the highest bidder.
Chris
@Hoodie:
Right. Democrats need to stop playing the game, like Republicans did fifty years or so ago, and I have no idea how the fuck to make that happen. Until it does, we’re going to keep getting played by the national media. It won’t always be enough to make us lose, but it’ll always make it a lot harder than it should be.
UncleEbeneezer
@jackmac: Obama and especially Hillary, broke them. In both cases two great politicians who were hugely popular and on the right side of pretty much every issue. I can almost see NY Times robot with smoke coming out of his (naturally) ears: “Both sides! BOTH SIDES!!! Must not favor Dems! Both must be equally bad…”
Juju.
@Rusty: Compared to FDR he’s in great shape, and FDR was 63 when he died. Biden has an excellent VP, and I believe he will make through a second term. His Dad lived to 89 and his mom lived to 96, and they were both sharp to the end. I am also so glad I’m not in the type of job where everything balances on one bad day, if you’re a democrat. I’ve had a lot of bad days lately, and I wouldn’t make a good impression.
Mapaghimagsik
Just a thought. Lets say whoever wins the election has cognative decline. I’m pretty sure one would step down with a little more grace, and one is going to need a heftier medical staff to keep him away from the “football* or letter openers…
schrodingers_cat
Its not just white men who want to throw Biden overboard if BJ comments are any indication. But don’t call them unreliable allies or fair weather friends.
3Sice
Better heeled and more polite than the J6 crowd.
How could you say no?
Mr. Bemused Senior
Call me naive, but I’m going to be generous and say that some of this crazy talk is due to panic. The fact that a second Trump presidency is even possible horrifies me as I’m sure it does others.
To my eyes things are calming down even now on BJ. Let’s see what next week brings.
karen marie
@jackmac: One of the people I follow on Mastodon shocked me by promoting the NYT’s Biden-bashing editorial. I asked her where was the NYT editorial demanding that Trump stand down, and she said “they say that in THIIS editorial.” She said “they’re trying to save us from fascism.”
I was dumbfounded.
I mean …
Enhanced Voting Techniques
It’s easy, because how many liberals fall for the media’s propaganda.
It’s been proven, over and over again phone base polling useless, still plenty of people on the left scream about the polling numbers. For weeks we were warned the Media would spin the debate as an absolute disaster for Biden and ignore what ever insane crap Trump does, sure enough it happens, and plenty of liberals forget the warning and fall for it.
People need to stop enabling the media and just turn the fucking TV off.
Juju.
I’m not a well off white dude, and I have nieces and nephews who cover the range of the LBGTQ spectrum. I am also a weird never been married single woman, and that probably wouldn’t be good in a Trump future. I never thought I’d actually be glad that some of my nieces and nephews have made plans about where to move outside of this country if Trump is elected. I also don’t want to be one of the old single “aunts” who hangs young women for being bad.
Hoodie
@Chris: It’s not a great situation; we should have a good media, but right now the media operates based on what it thinks makes them look important. If they were doing their jobs they’d be 24/7 reporting on an incipient fascist takeover. They don’t seem to get that this is not a fucking game, probably because the game is so great for their fucking careers. Lawyers have had the same problem vis a vis the Supreme Court.
karen marie
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Juju.
@jackmac: Thirty-four criminal convictions!!
karen marie
@delphinium: Nichols is only here for the tax breaks and deregulation but he needs a functioning country for those to matter. He’s still a Republican. I’d bet he is delighted that homelessness is a criminal offense.
Chet Murthy
@karen marie:i wouldn’t trust him as far as I can throw him, but then again I’m not looking to knife him in the kidneys so I guess that means he’s a “good guy.”
zhena gogolia
@karen marie: Yeah, that was the line of the commenters last night when anyone asked that question. They reasonably responded, “But only Biden is in the headline!”
NotMax
Called them the pearl clutchitariat downstairs and shall now do so again.
ColoradoGuy
With the “Sentencing of DJT” still to come, in a matter of weeks.
And the judge keenly aware that the convicted man might imprison the judge (and jury) if he gets the chance.
H.E.Wolf
Amen to this. Thank you for stating it so well.
stinger
Many people have said that during the first 20 minutes of the debate, Biden bombed. He looked and sounded old, he had a lengthy silent pause, and so on. I ONLY saw the last half hour of the debate, and Trump came across as a moral monster and Biden seemed his usual self. I wonder if catching the first 20 minutes would have made me feel that Biden had dementia or was just too old for presidenting. Because the last half hour certainly did not.
Anybody else have a similar experience?
hedgehog mobile
@Freemark: Hell to the yes.
Starfish
@stinger: He did get better after the first 10-20 minutes.
gene108
@Mr. Bemused Senior:
I posted this in another thread earlier, but I think a lot of Democrats have PTSD about the 2000 and 2016 elections and how awful Bush, Jr. and Trump’s terms in office were.
There’s a learned fear from past experience that the EC will let a Republican win, while getting fewer votes than his Democratic opponent.
One thing I wonder is why aren’t Democrats even thinking of expanding the seats in the House after the 2030 census? If they control the House, and gave a carve out to the filibuster in the Senate, they could do it.
It should rebalance the EC making it harder for the popular vote winner to lose the EC, and reduce the over representation of rural interests.
It’s the sort calculated move Republicans would do in a heartbeat, if it might help them maintain power. When I think Democrats need to be more like Republicans, something like expanding the House should be on the table. It’s legal and would favor Democrats.
Odie Hugh Manatee
If we rename the Supreme Court to the Imperial Court now that they have seized control of the government’s regulatory agencies, the acronym would be USIC. As in “You Sick?”. I know I am about the damage that they have done and intend to continue to do to our nation, our safety and our freedom.
The Imperial Court is not hiding it, they are not bound by precedent and nothing is off limits to them and their making up shit in the name of destroying what we have built as a nation. These six people are our new rulers and don’t think otherwise.
There is going to be a lot of misery in the years ahead, even if the Democrats win this fall.
NotMax
@stinger
To mix metaphors, ultimately it’s water under the bridge and one never steps in the same river twice.
Entire thing was overhyped and assigned way more import than due. Which will never, never. never be publicly admitted by the MSM as it clashes with their already chosen script.
Another Scott
@Hoodie: Mass media are businesses that mostly these days make money on ads and subscriptions – eyeballs.
We have lots and lots of media choices now. People need to vote with their clicks and their dollars. Hoping that FTFNYT or WaPo or … is going to change isn’t going to make them change. Dropping subscriptions and stopping giving them clicks might make them change. Or might not! But our dollars and clicks will be supporting others instead. Starving the bad actors will either make them change or will weaken them and support better actors.
(repost) https://statesnewsroom.com/ has affiliates in every state. Scroll down, click on your state on the map. Look around and support those you like. There are others, of course; one was mentioned in an earlier thread when I mentioned statesnewsroom.com – but I saw it on a different computer and don’t have that link handy…
Cheers,
Scott.
Lyrebird
You and me both! And ditto to everything else you said, too!
@Mr. Bemused Senior: I think at least for some of the stressed-out commenters here, your panic explanation makes sense. Not that I have some kind of direct line to wisdom…
Joey O’Biden is capable and courageous, and he has created a very skilled and informed team, whether or not I always agree with them.
stinger
@Starfish: Thanks! Enough better that you could largely forget about the first part? Because the Biden I saw was fully engaged and on top of the subject matter. The descriptions of him and the declarations that he’s unfit to run really took me aback.
stinger
@NotMax:
I don’t disagree!
prostratedragon
A song for the Democratic Party Men’s Chorus: “It Ain’t Me, Babe,” Bob Dylan.
I happen to like Bob’s singing, but for others, this video has the lyrics.
Leto
The Philadelphia Inquirer offers a subtle, “Go Fuck Yourself”, to the NYT. At least subtle in the Philly way.
To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race | Editorial
Biden had a horrible night Thursday. But the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.
It really is worth your time. If you want to send something to your pants-wetting friends/family, send them this.
Chris
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
The danger, of course, is that this shit ultimately becomes self-fulfilling. Media puts out enough crap, enough people take their cue from it (which doesn’t even require believing or understand it; to this day I swear you couldn’t find one in ten citizens who can tell you WTF HillaryzEmailzGate was all about, they just knew she was always in the news for being under investigation), eventually it is a problem.
This is an example. I’m not at all concerned about what the debate performance may have done to Biden’s chances. I’m a lot more concerned about what the sheer size and intensity of the freakout may have done to Biden’s chances.
Eolirin
@stinger: People had a pre-existing narrative and it fit that narrative and that was enough to make the narrative all they cared about.
Eolirin
@Chris: An even better example is the Al Gore claiming he invented the internet bullshit the media was pushing in 2000.
Complete distortion but quickly common wisdom that everyone was repeating. Helped fit the elitist, snobbish, out of touch persona they were building for him. No one bothered to question it.
schrodingers_cat
@stinger: I saw the whole debate the first 20 min Biden seemed like he was having an off day, then he was back to his usual self. His voice was a bit hoarse. Trump sounded unhinged and scary. And was lying and making faces.
TBone
For anyone who hasn’t yet had the pleasure of viewing the latest Sarah Cooper 😆
I replay this at least once a day, and usually more.
https://x.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1806356192475721912
schrodingers_cat
I have an advice for people who don’t want to be swayed by media shenanigans. Cut your cable especially MSNBC and unsubscribe from the NYT. They are feeding off your doom and desperation.
Elizabelle
The mask is off the FTF NY Times. They are not going to be able to put it back on.
delphinium
@Chris: Had a Republican co-worker who asked me about the whole email thing. I explained it as best I could so she got the general gist of it. She actually ended up voting for Clinton, though it was probably due more to her utter dislike of Trump.
Jackie
Getting reassuring input from different media that the normies interviewed who actually watched the debate were more repulsed by TCFG than dismayed by Biden’s appearance. Normies had forgotten why they voted for Biden over TCFG. The debate reminded them again of why they voted against TCFG in ‘20, and that was BEFORE J6.
I’m planning to, for the most part, to ignore the Sunday shows tomorrow, but plan to watch Monday’s presidential Immunity reactions. I think the SC announcement will be good for America and democracy overall, and cause MAGA to go insane. Even should the SC toss it back to Judge Chutkan.🤞🏻
Eolirin
@Chris: The second debate will matter so much more.
People aren’t going to remember this in a few weeks. Especially with Trump’s sentencing coming up. But that one will be closer to the election and there’ll be more riding on it now.
Another Scott
ICYMI, Elton John and Biden at the Stonewall National Monument Visitors Center dedication. (0:34 video).
(via Angry_Staffer)
Cheers,
Scott.
stinger
@schrodingers_cat: Thanks! Yes, the part I saw, Trump was unimaginable as leader of the free world. (But I thought that about him in 2015.)
zhena gogolia
@Leto: Someone else linked that, and I subscribed.
Death Panel Truck
Forcing Biden out now would make the Democratic Party look weak and indecisive, and cause absolute chaos. It would guarantee a Trump victory. The NYT knows this, so that’s why they’re pushing the narrative. They want the sweet, sweet tax cuts Biden won’t give them.
Martin
So, here is the more fundamental problem I think we’ve gotten into in the US. This is not specifically related to the debate or anything else.
Right now, pretty close to 100% of American voters are convinced that at least one of the two presidential candidates is in some kind of cognitive decline. It doesn’t really matter all that much who is pushing one or the other of those narratives, the fact of the matter is that the public doesn’t accept them as unreasonable. Dems don’t find it incredulous that Trump is bragging about his senility test, and Republicans that Biden is at the very least struggling to maintain his focus. And I think that’s an absolutely wretched state for the US electorate to be in and speaks to larger problems we have a country.
A more uplifting thought is that I just got off the phone with my twice Trump voting mom from Iowa who would not shut up about how crazy it was that Louisiana was requiring the Bible be taught in schools and that Republicans almost to a one refused to vote to protect birth control access. Yes, I did ask the question, and she’s voting Biden. She fits in pretty well with never-Trump republicans on small government and low taxes and all that garbage, but there is only so far she’s willing to go. I haven’t probed if Jan 6 or the conviction is a role in that change, but I suspect so to both.
She is a 100% reliable voter. Was a state delegate for Dubya I think.
Elizabelle
@Martin: Welcome, Martin’s Mom. Good to hear.
Eolirin
@Martin: Trump may actually be in cognitive decline though. Though I will grant, given where he started from it’d be kinda hard to tell. And you know how it goes with projection from Republicans.
Scout211
Good for your mom!
Just to clarify though, it’s the Oklahoma schools chief that ordered public schools to teach the Bible and the Louisiana legislature that ordered public schools to post the Ten Commandments. Same difference, though. And both unconstitutional . . . for now.
schrodingers_cat
@Death Panel Truck: It will send a message to the minority, immigrant and marginalized D voters that they don’t matter. Only white people and their feelings matter. Panic is not something that inspires confidence even among your supporters.
Jackie
@Martin: 👍🏻
Between requiring the bible be taught in public schools, plus demanding the 10 commandments be posted in every public school classroom, is waking up a lot of Americans who DO KNOW THE CONSTITUTION PROTECTS US FROM EXACTLY THIS.
Gwangung
Hmph. Very rational to think the debate hurt Joe. Very reasonable to think it puts him in a bigger hole. NOT rational to think it’s too big to dig out of and also not rational to make considerations without comparing to Trump, who was also scary to normal voters.
accept the hit move onward and work like hell. And goddamit…don’t panic.
Gwangung
@schrodingers_cat: Yup. But not really surprising how white people center their concerns so automatically and so unconsciously.
Scout211
Agree. And I would love to suggest that the commentariat stop rehashing the whole damn thing and just move on but I won’t do that. 😉
Another Scott
@Martin: Thanks for that.
I’ve mentioned before my subdivision neighbors who had Trump flags flying proudly until January 6. Those flags came down and haven’t come back.
I’m convinced that TCFFG is weaker now than he was when he lost the election in November 2020 because – as you said – there is only so far people will go.
Cults demand ever increasing fealty to the cult leader. Non-cult members of humanity don’t buy that and are in-fact repulsed by it.
Something something the tighter you grasp the sand the more it escapes your fingers.
Forward!!
Cheers,
Scott.
Chet Murthy
@gene108: Why wait for 2030? Just institute Wyoming Rule today
ETA: obvs. I mean, “as soon as they control the trifecta”
YY_Sima Qian
“Liberal” media is media 1st & only wears the “liberal” label to stay in polite company. They are not allies in the fight against the reactionaries, certainly not reliable allies. Some/many of the reporters may be, but not most of the OpEd writers, editorial boards, or management.
schrodingers_cat
@Gwangung: Not surprising at all.
schrodingers_cat
When NYT says jump, you don’t need to ask how high. You need to tune them out and not throw your coalition under the bus.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Jackie:
I think this court is going to find a way to take the heat off of Trump, carving out an exception for him only in this circumstance. I will be very surprised if they issue a blanket ruling that a President is not immune from prosecution for criminal acts committed while in office.
You have far more faith in this Imperial Court than I do.
Leto
@zhena gogolia: ah, I haven’t been on the site most of the day so when Avalune shared this I wanted to share it here; glad it’s already made the rounds, and that you subscribed to them. They continually do excellent work, both locally and nationally.
YY_Sima Qian
@Martin: Even if Biden wins in Nov., the dynamic you describe will have done damage to global perceptions of the U.S.’ credibility, reliability & rationality, allies/partners included. World leaders (especially Western ones) have dealt w/ Biden for decades, as Senator on the Foreign Affairs Committee, as VP, & as President, they can see the decline, & they can’t fathom that Biden & Trump are the candidates to come out the U.S. partisan political system.
Chris
@YY_Sima Qian:
Politically speaking, the mainstream media largely exists to do two things: launder conservative talking points into liberal audiences, and define the leftmost edge of acceptable political discourse.
Can’t do either of these things without the “liberal” cachet. Which is why they’ll never actually do something as gauche as endorse Trump.
Elizabelle
@schrodingers_cat: The FTF NY Times has a body count.
Judith Miller helped lie us into the Iraq War. All the dead coalition members and civilians; the destabilization of the region.
Emails Emails Emails ensured the excess death rate when Covid struck. And gave the Supreme (OK, Imperial) Court a conservative stranglehold.
What they are attempting now with Biden — political assassination through a torrent of hysterical stories, and it is a coordinated campaign — is horrendous. You cannot unsee it.
YY_Sima Qian
@Chris: Agree, they also think their wealth & connections will shield them from the consequences of Herrenvolk nationalism & reactionary authoritarianism, even though they too are designated enemies of True Patriotic Americans. Or maybe they are banking on being able to skip out of the country w/ most of their wealth before Kristallnacht comes.
SiubhanDuinne
@TBone:
She’s so good. A week or so ago, I stumbled across the actual original TCFFG clip of the “what’s your favourite, Old or New Testament” interview, and I swear it seemed like a bad parody of a Sarah Cooper bit.
Mapaghimagsik
@Mapaghimagsik: thanks to a power outage, no music, but found good food and Guinness and Cider. So not an entirely wasted trip
Still, first post lockdown outdoor concert…
zhena gogolia
@Leto: oh I think someone should post it in every thread!
Jackie
@Odie Hugh Manatee: Your response is one of the reasons I’ve stayed off BJ so much the last 48 hrs.
Thanks for the reminder.
schrodingers_cat
@Elizabelle: You are so right. Can I tweet that with due credit to you of course.
Elizabelle
@schrodingers_cat: You got it.
stacib
@schrodingers_cat: With the exception of Lawrence O’Donnell, EVERY…SINGLE…ONE immediately jumped on the Biden must go bandwagon. The flippin’ debate had been over for less than ten minutes, and that was their opening lines – trump was an afterthought. Combine that with the shell-shocked faces / defeated body language, it was as if all of them had just lost their grandma, which was far more depressing than Biden’s first 20 minutes. On MJ, Mike tried to make the point that folks were prematurely panicking, the whole panel tried beat her down.
Jackie
@stacib: Nicolle Wallace also shot down the Biden must step down pearl clutching. As did Michael Steele.
I give most pearl clutchers a few days to exhale and regroup – just like so many Balloon Juicers hopefully will.
Chris
@YY_Sima Qian:
I honestly don’t think they think that far ahead at all.
karen marie
@zhena gogolia: And it doesn’t even matter because including Trump in that one editorial – presumably “to show balance” – is laughable. Given who he is, what he’s done, what he’s been found guilty of in a court of law, and only NOW, when they need “balance” to point to, they sort of suggest he might think about dropping out?
I told my fellow Mastodonian to “please pull my other finger.”
Today the NYT is getting ripped up one side down the other – the consensus at this point appears to be that they’ve shit the bed. The “but they’re stopping fascism” person has been silent.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@karen marie: thanks for the report. Good.
Chris
@karen marie:
Good. I hope this keeps growing.
Citizen Alan
@jackmac: Who was the last Dem President MoDo actually liked? I’m guessing JFK.
Juju.
@Citizen Alan: I’ll go with Woodrow Wilson.
Chris
@Citizen Alan:
JFK is one of the go-to “liberal that I pretend I would’ve liked if I’d been around back then, even though everyone like me hated him at the time in exactly the same terms that I hate Clinton and Biden for” characters. The other big one being Harry Truman. I have no doubt MoDo would say she’d have supported JFK: very much don’t believe she actually would have.
The last Democratic president who would’ve made the NYT op-ed page happy would’ve been Grover Cleveland. Gigantic libertarian and strike-breaking douchebag, but one who took some stances against corruption and machine politics. The NYT would’ve fallen all over themselves fawning over how principled and unbiased he was, in a “the law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor equally from sleeping under bridges” kind of way. (And indeed, upon a check of Wikipedia, turns out they endorsed him all three times, the one he lost and the two he won).
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Elizabelle:
The court is truly imperialistic. They will decide everything from now on. And now that bribes are legal after the fact means that soon the other five robed imperialists will have their own RVs but this time they will be stuffed with cash.
All they need to do is finish off the job they were hired to do.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Jackie:
Sensitive, eh? I am standing 101% behind Biden to the end but if you think this court is set on doing the “right thing” then you haven’t been paying attention.
There may be more than one reason for their delay. Sotomayor said that she expects to shed more tears in the days ahead and this may be what she was talking about.
But do pie me, please! You would get to be the first to do so. Quite an honor if you think about it!
Chris T.
@Kelly:
Probably, but at least this year the heat dome is on the other
footside of the continent. Well, the June heat dome anyway, we have yet to see what happens with the July, August, second August, September, and November heat domes.Manyakitty
@stacib: OMG the MSNBC talking heads were REPULSIVE. Jen Psaki, in particular, was almost gloating, leaning across the desk and slapping it, saying that they would never send MVP out to talk to the media so fast if they were happy with the debate. Rachel had to talk her down and told her that MVP was booked in advance, a while ago.
Vile. Lawrence is just about the only one I can watch over there.
Betty
@Chris: Exactly. Washington Post on Sunday going after Biden stronger than ever. Sickening.
Manyakitty
@Betty: gross. Now I’m even more glad that I cancelled my subscription.
Chris
@Manyakitty:
Like I said: it’s almost too obvious, but there’s a sheer pure glee that comes over most political pundits’ face when they realize Democrats might be in real trouble. You saw it on election night 2016 when it first looked like Hillary was in real trouble and they were going “oh boy, you politics nerds out there are in for a real treat!” Saw it again a few nights ago with whoever was interviewing (I think) Newsom who couldn’t stop beaming as she asked “so do you think Biden should drop out now?” They all look like Romney after Benghazi.
@Betty:
Yep. That’s the worry: the debate’s memories can easily fade, but only if the media lets it and doesn’t spend the next month on a full-blown Afghanistan-like 24/7 blitz drowning out everything else until they’ve gotten the poll results they wanted. Right now they feel like they’ve captured lightning in a bottle for the first time in three years and they’re not inclined to let it go.