Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Despite his magical powers, I don’t think Trump is thinking this through, to be honest.

The rest of the comments were smacking Boebert like she was a piñata.

I wonder if trump will be tried as an adult.

If you are still in the gop, you are either an extremist yourself, or in bed with those who are.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

When you’re in more danger from the IDF than from Russian shelling, that’s really bad.

The media handbook says “controversial” is the most negative description that can be used for a Republican.

If you still can’t see these things even now, maybe politics isn’t your forte and you should stop writing about it.

He imagines himself as The Big Bad, Who Is Universally Feared… instead of The Big Jagoff, Who Is Universally Mocked.

This fight is for everything.

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

Republicans don’t trust women.

White supremacy is terrorism.

Compromise? There is no middle ground between a firefighter and an arsonist.

Just because you believe it, that doesn’t make it true.

One lie, alone, tears the fabric of reality.

with the Kraken taking a plea, the Cheese stands alone.

T R E 4 5 O N

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

Battle won, war still ongoing.

This blog will pay for itself.

There are more Russians standing up to Putin than Republicans.

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Tuesday Evening Open Thread: Eyes on the Prize: Repro Rights

(Mike Luckovich via GoComics.com)

Been meaning to share this, when there was a break in the news firehose:

When the decision was handed down two years ago today, it was a shock but not a surprise, given the leak several weeks earlier. We were left with an open question of how it might impact the 2022 elections. The first answer would come 39 days later, from Kansas of all places.

I wasn’t shocked by the result, again, polls showed it close. But I was surprised that the margin was seemingly so large for the pro-abortion rights side that Wasserman could call it so quickly. I immediately set out to understand how this transpired.

Looking at new voter registrations in KS between the Dobbs decision and the primary registration deadline, I found a stat that I assumed I had miscalculated. So I ran it again and again. The same thing every time. Almost 70% of Kansans registering to vote were women.


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  2. 2.

    cain

    [slightly off topic, but since it does tangentially involve women’s rights to feel safe]

    Y’all – today is an AMAZING Day – my wife, Aarti, you all remember my story about her and what she went through in Oregon education system, the misogyny and racism at her last job at a school district here that ended with her taking a leave of absence and having something in her file.

    Today, she had two offers from two different school districts – she went with the one where it is all people of color. She’s going to make a huge impact on children of all colors. I’m so excited about the potential of doing good here.

    But for us, this is a redemption act – she was ready to leave education and the universe decisively said no. We want you. It’s been shit for the nation, but there is a bright spot for my gal and soon it will be a brilliant light for education.

    ETA – also, my wife found out finally about two weeks ago that all the mysterious ailments she’s had as a kid, the pain, the insomnia, the awful periods – she has EDS. Everything fits now. So, I guess it’s been a momentous week of a lot of reveals.

  4. 4.

    Yutsano

    Dobbs is the proverbial elephant* in the room. I don’t know if pollsters are blithely ignoring it or they think they’re accounting for it by asking the importance of the issue or whatever. It’s been shown that where it matters reproductive rights have been making the difference in election after election. I wonder if there will be a huge polling shock after November 5th.

    Oh who am I kidding these people never learn

    (Forgot my *)

    *Not THOSE elephants. That elephant. You know, the proverbial one.

  5. 5.

    Barbara

    Abortion is a proxy for someone else not getting to live my life for me, and certainly, not having the right to cram their religious convictions down my throat.

    I think there are a lot of churches that have no idea how angry it makes people to be forced to adhere to doctrinal values they don’t share.

  12. 12.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    I encountered this myself, when appearing on a panel on a CNN program opposite a GOP consultant. When I spoke about how I believed abortion rights would change the election, the host asked if that was plausible, given how long ago the Dobbs decision was.

    And that is illustrative of how journalism is dead at CNN…and basically all corporate media outlets.

    Flogging my point: Roe-v-Wade is a martyr for the cause.  Use it like one.  Wield the big Dobbs club and swing it constantly.

  13. 13.

    Yutsano

    @rikyrah: “Biden is old” to me has been a racist statement since you pretty much woke me up to that. Your voice and perspective have so much value here. Thank you.

  14. 14.

    Barbara

    @Yutsano: This is where the lack of diversity really hamstrings their perception.  Most of these mostly white dudes would say that the economy is more important, and it just washes right over them that reproductive rights is a huge economic issue for women.  It means they can finish school, order their career in whatever sequence makes sense, and have the freedom to cope with the unexpected.

  15. 15.

    UncleEbeneezer

    Abortion rights amendment qualifies for the ballot in Nevada

    Nevada is now the sixth state to put the future of abortion rights directly before voters in the 2024 election.

    Officials in Nevada have formally certified a proposed amendment that would enshrine abortion access in the state’s constitution to appear on the November ballot.
    The move was announced late Friday by organizers behind the ballot measure as well as the Nevada secretary of state’s office. It makes Nevada the sixth state to put the issue of abortion rights directly before voters in this year’s election.

    …

    The ballot measure could nevertheless help boost Democratic turnout in Nevada, a battleground state that is hosting competitive races for president and the U.S. Senate.
    Constitutional amendments to enshrine abortion rights will now appear on the general election ballot in six states this fall. The others are Florida, Maryland, New York, South Dakota and Colorado.

     

  19. 19.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @cain:

    Oh, what wonderful news! I’m thrilled and relieved for you and Aarti (what a pretty name, btw!) After everything y’all have gone through, this is a terrific outcome. Congratulations!

  20. 20.

    TBone

    @cain: sorry to hear she has EDS but happy to hear everything else!  After a long journey of illness, sometimes just getting a diagnosis, simply putting a name to the pain, is a huge relief.  Congrats on both!

    ETA I know someone with EDS too – it’s some serious shit.

  24. 24.

    Barbara

    @cain: Very best wishes to you and your wife.  My sister taught advanced math and science for more than a decade and felt like she was being ground down by the institutional weight of the system.  I don’t know that she encountered misogyny per se, but I remember her feeling like every time she tried to go the extra mile with student groups it was like someone was just ready to pounce to make her pay for her devotion.

  25. 25.

    SuzieC

    @Yutsano: I hope there will be a huge polling shock and that the pollsters and the pundits will be forced to gag on their words.  That’s one of the things that keeps me going.

    Another is great news out of Ohio.  Activists turned in 731K signatures, way more than the 413K needed, to put redistricting amendments on the ballot.  Amendments , modeled after Michigan’s, would create a citizen’s commission to draw state and federal district lines, cutting politicians out of the process.  Citizens Not Politicians is the name of the group leading the petition drive.

  27. 27.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    Constitutional amendments to enshrine abortion rights will now appear on the general election ballot in six states this fall. The others are Florida, Maryland, New York, South Dakota and Colorado.

    Wanna bet it’ll pass in all six states? If it passed in KS…
    Of course that assumes substantive campaigning/money in support of the ballot measure.
    Oh wait, a CNN host said Dobbs was so long ago so it probably won’t matter. JFC.
    And while people are in a voting booth (or those of us who can fill out ballots from home as in CO) for basic human rights, hopefully they’ll remember those other people on the ballot who work toward protecting basic human rights.

  28. 28.

    Barbara

    @SuzieC: What’s gag inducing is that this is the second go round for Ohio voters trying to get fairer districts. Silly citizens trusted their legislators to actually follow the law.

  29. 29.

    Barbara

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: It might depend on the required margin for amending the state’s constitution.  I know that South Dakota passed a referendum that repealed a draconian anti-abortion statute many moons ago — the citizens that challenged it in state court declined to pursue federal intervention and went right to citizens and won.

  30. 30.

    3Sice

    @BR:

    from the dead thread…

    The two-day poll found that both Trump, 78, and Biden, 81, maintain the support of 40% of registered voters, suggesting that Biden has not lost ground since the debate

  33. 33.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @Barbara:

    According to Ballotpedia, simple majority in SD for passage.

    Now, in FL, according to several county Supervisor of Election web pages, it requires 60%.

    Good ole Floriduh.

  34. 34.

    O. Felix Culpa

    Bless you, AL. Eyes on the prize is right.

    That, and working like hell to GOTV.

  36. 36.

    danielx

    @Barbara:

    They trusted pols in Ohio, famous for corruption in high places?

    Yes, the picture of former House Speaker and convicted felon Larry Householder* is gag-inducing.

    If TFG is elected, which may FSM forbid, any bets on his pardoning Larry Householder as one of his first official acts? After all, the Supremes have decreed that corruption at the state and local levels is basically okay.

  37. 37.

    SuzieC

    @Barbara: Many of us didn’t trust our legislators at all but settled for what we could get at the time.  Now that we know they sold us out, the mood of the electorate is angrier.  This petition drive collected the third highest number of signatures in Ohio history.

  38. 38.

    Fair Economist

    A lot of the reason the media is so obsessed with Biden having a bad delivery – of some pretty incisive points – is to distract from the issues that make most Americans prefer Democrats – with reproductive rights being the #1 issue.

    One thing I want to harp on is that even with Constitutional amendments like the one in Kansas, the Republicans will still try to rip away the rights. Best example is the shenanigans the Florida republicans did with voting rights for reformed prisoners.

  39. 39.

    jonas

    It makes a lot of sense intuitively that Dobbs would be make this a watershed election cycle, but why hasn’t it shown up in the presidential polls? Are people still just not grokking that Trump will absolutely sign an abortion ban and probably bans on contraception too? It’s like we’re in some kind of bizzaro world where the president is responsible for making eggs and houses cheap but apparently has nothing to do with your reproductive rights.

  41. 41.

    zhena gogolia

    @jonas: My normie friend this morning said, “I heard they even want to make contraception illegal!” I said, “You betcha!” Hope she tells some people.

  42. 42.

    Mousebumples

    Rant ahead –

    So I stopped into my local county Dem office today to see if I could volunteer, somehow, even with my work/kid schedule.

    The office was kinda closed for the holiday week, but the back door was open. I walked in, and the guy there (man of color, granted) was pretty dismissive when I said my schedule doesn’t really fit with canvassing or phone banking. Could I data entry? (apparently that only happens on weekends with canvassing and never after a canvassing weekend) So they have any postcarding events planned? (can’t get good data from them, and who cares about GOTV) Basically, I was treated like a novice and told to do relational organizing, with no understanding that I might already be doing that.

    Sigh.

    Super disappointing. Both because I want to do stuff locally, and now I’m wondering if this is the reception everyone else who wants to volunteer is getting. Ugh.

    I’ll try again in another week or two – maybe when the office isn’t “closed”. Hopefully this person isn’t usually in charge of prospective volunteers.

  44. 44.

    Baud

    @Mousebumples:

    That’s frustrating. I’d imagine like everywhere, the quality of the staff varies a lot. But it’s sure an enthusiasm dampener.

  46. 46.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Barbara: meanwhile in news for Tesla owners:

    In a survey of more than 7,500 of its readers, The New York Times found that a “vast majority” of respondents were critical of Musk’s political views and erratic behavior. And crucially for Musk’s bottom line, those sentiments seem to extend to their feelings about Tesla vehicles.

    …

    “You’re basically driving around a giant red MAGA hat,” Shepherd said.

    Yowza!

  48. 48.

    Lacuna Synecdoche

    Lochner, John Roberts, and Irony @ Wikipedia:

    In his confirmation hearings to become Chief Justice, John Roberts said: “You go to a case like the Lochner case, you can read that opinion today and it’s quite clear that they’re not interpreting the law, they’re making the law.” He added that the Lochner court substituted its own judgment for the legislature’s findings.[1]

    Don’t really have anything else to add. The footnote below goes to an article that’s paywall blocked. I included it for completeness, but I suspect there are not many here paying money to Rupert Murdoch’s media empire.

    [1]Root, Damon W. (September 21, 2009). “Lochner and Liberty”. The Wall Street Journal. ISSN 0099-9660. Retrieved December 19, 2019.

  49. 49.

    Mousebumples

    @Baud: yup.

    I also sent an email (no response yet) so we’ll see.

    I also found a postcarding event on Mobilize.us – but focused on Biden/Baldwin (which matters!) when I think downballot postcarding could help get out Dem voters in Wisconsin.

  50. 50.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @Mousebumples: I had a similar experience in 2018.  Maybe reach out to a local Dem campaign (if there’s one near you).  Dem HQ’s/Campaigns actually have fairly narrow and specific needs for people who want to volunteer.  It’s one of the reasons I ended up sticking mostly to writing postcards.

  55. 55.

    JPL

    @Baud: My son just got a Rivian and loves it.   They took it on a road trip and made arrangements to charge it along the way.   My grand imps are 3 and 5 years old so they have to stop anyway

    The little imps wore me out today so I’ll be in bed by 8.    Hold down the fort.

     

    Great post    Thanks AL

  56. 56.

    Kay

    @Barbara:

    We had a presentation by the group who did the first set of new rules and we thought they were way too accomodating to Republicans. We felt confident Republicans were going to screw them, and Republicans did. Not bad people – “good government” people – but like lambs to slaughter.

    These rules are better. They took them from Michigan’s successful law.

  57. 57.

    SuzieC

    @Kay: My husband, an experienced election lawyer, told a friend who was a leader of that group that she was naive.  He was right, but she hasn’t spoken to him since.

  58. 58.

    Mousebumples

    @UncleEbeneezer: yeah, there definitely are some. Might be worth a try. Just not how I was hoping it would go. Not even a discussion about how much time I could volunteer. Just blah.

  60. 60.

    3Sice

    yahoo/yougov

    Biden (43%) remains statistically tied with his Republican rival, former President Donald Trump(45%), in a head-to-head matchup among registered voters.

    Retrospective approval of the job that Trump did as president, in contrast, fell to 45% approve, 50% disapprove

    Joe is doing an ABC one on one Friday.

  61. 61.

    H.E.Wolf

    @Mousebumples: ​
     I had a similar experience in 2017, in which my first contact was a guy who wasn’t interested at all in what I said I could help with.

    HOWEVER.

    I persisted, as they say; and on my 3rd attempt, two women on the staff (who worked with data – one was in finance) gave me a chance to do some data entry.

    Once I got going, I had a good experience (and continue to do so*). But I sure had some moments of doubt at the beginning!

    * I eventually created a “data entry” resume, cherrypicking every single relevant item from my work history, and now I cheerfully present it to every new staffer I work with. It works wonders.

    Wishing you similar good luck!

  68. 68.

    khead

    Network news is unwatchable after Doggett comments.  “Biden under growing pressure”, etc.

  71. 71.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    @jonas: Polling methodology makes assumptions about who will turn out to vote. If the aftermath of the Dobbs decision significantly affected who turns out to vote, it will be difficult to adjust for using current likely-voter screening methods.

    This is likely why polling has been so bad at predicting election outcomes recently, especially when abortion rights are “on the ballot”. It’s why I don’t put much stock in the polls.

  72. 72.

    H.E.Wolf

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: [re: abortion rights ballot issue] Now, in FL, according to several county Supervisor of Election web pages, it requires 60%.​

     Sure does! Which is why I’m encouraging everyone who can hold a pen to sign up with Postcards To Voters, which is focusing on FL voters ahead of November. The more people who get their registration up to date, the more people who can vote YES.

    I’m particularly encouraging men to sign up for this project [thank you, Uncle Ebeneezer and others]… because this is an opportunity for men to be good allies.

    [email protected]

  73. 73.

    Kay

    @SuzieC:

    Wow. He was right. We didn’t endorse the plan as a county Party org and we endorse anyone who shows up. 75% Trump county. We’re desperate for friendlies. Something has to happen in Ohio. The corruption is just out of control. I think three of Ohio’s largest corruption scandals ever have unfolded in the last 5 years. It’s a hard turn to “corrupted”.

  74. 74.

    geg6

    @Mousebumples:

    That is a bad experience for sure.  My county is one that blue for many years, full of yellow dogs.  It is now pretty damn red.  But our local Dems are great.  They will hand deliver postcards.  I’ve had several large envelopes delivered (I think, 60 cards each and address lists) so all I do is write them up, address them and stamp them.  The party was pretty moribund from the 80s until Obama.  Things picked up a bit but 2016 was really when I finally felt that all my years of phone banking, canvassing and Election Day work would start to pay off.  Some younger women (most in their 40s) took over the leadership and they have done a bang up job and with a real personal touch.  It’s still a red county but inroads are being made.

  75. 75.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @Mousebumples: Look and see if you have a local SwingLeft.  One thing I did in 2022 was to serve as a driver for canvassers for a local House race.  I didn’t want to do door-knocking, myself, but a friend of mine was doing it so we carpooled one Saturday and I drove to ends of streets etc., so she didn’t have to back-track after every block.  And I would input the results into the phone app while she walked to the next set of houses.  She said it helped her get to substantially more residencies than when she worked solo.

  76. 76.

    laura

    @cain: congratulations and best wishes to your wife.

    @rikyrah: I want to Thank You very much for always bringing Black voices to the comments. It’s been a couple of years now that I’ve been lurking on Black Twitter (via nitter) and Holy Toledo has it been a cool hand on a fevered brow/glass of ice water to the face/laugh so hard I’m crying. I have learned that Ragnorak Lobster and I share a birthday- I got a year on him, Ms Denise has been a solid activist since the Black Panthers formed, that Candidly Tiff, Michellebyoung, Qondi, Black knight, needle_of_arya, Sacramentan Myron J Clifton and his beautiful bride, 2rawtworeal, the black guy who tips and his Kim, Petty Lupone, Audre Lawd a Mighty, and so, so many more. Absolute excellence. The difference between white spaces and Black spaces has been revealing and I hope and trust has helped me become a better person, a better friend and ally and most of all, taught me the value of listening without barging in with an opinion or hot take. And the shenanigans- The Riverfront Brawl and the memes and tiktoks and the joy! So thank you Rikyrah, Black Twitter is where I found resolve and clarity in the whole debate/candidate mishigas and stayed well clear of the replace our candidate foolishness. Thank You for continue to season this blog.

  77. 77.

    zhena gogolia

    Did the media go this ballistic when Trump was convicted of 34 felonies?

  78. 78.

    H.E.Wolf

    @Mousebumples: ​
     You’re welcome! I come from a long line of very determined people. :-) And it sounds as if you do too.

    (Gatekeeping? Pshaw! Futile! The Mouse and the Wolf are in the game.)

  79. 79.

    louc

    @Mousebumples: ​
     A friend of mine had a similar experience in Florida. Someone was handing out fliers at a festival and she asked about volunteering and he gave her a blank stare.

    Other friends have had a lot of success organizing with grass roots groups like Indivisible or Red Wine and Blue.

    I tried volunteering once for the national Democratic committee and vowed never again. It was discouraging to make phone calls to Nevada and get told “you’ve called me five times. Stop it!” Same when I went knocking on doors in Pennsylvania. People who weren’t overtly hostile would tell us we were the third set of volunteers to knock on their door.

  82. 82.

    narya

    W/r/t Dobbs and contraception, I keep hearing the Jaws theme in my head. As others here have noted, it seems to have broken the polling (which was iffy anyway); I don’t think the standard outfits, especially those run by men, have the foggiest notion how to think about or ask about this. Sarah Longwell–who does a lot of focus groups w/ Rs, and who is a never-Trumper–says that folks don’t mention it as an important issue unless you ask, in which case it is super important. As long as the Ds continue to bring this up, and bring it up more as the election gets closer, I think it’s gonna have effects.

  87. 87.

    schrodingers_cat

    @rikyrah: This. And the people who want Harris to replace Biden on the top of the ticket right now will be out with knives if it actually happens. I haven’t forgotten how some self anointed progressives behaved when KH’s name was announced as VP in 2020.

  89. 89.

    schrodingers_cat

    Dana Houle has a long thread about the actual complicated logistics of changing the top of the ticket at this juncture.

    Short version, it is super complicated

  90. 90.

    jackmac

    The New York Times, once the gold standard for top journalism, once again slinks through sloppy, Murdochian sewers with this afternoon’s report on President Joe Biden’s so-called “lapses.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/us/politics/biden-lapses.html

    My comment accompanying the story (yet to be approved):

    The New York Times appears to be embarked on a vendetta against President Joe Biden. First came reports of the butt hurt felt by top executives when Biden would not grant an exclusive interview. Then came last week’s editorial calling for Biden to step aside after struggling in a debate (but not calling on the convicted felon Donald Trump to leave the race). Now comes this story using, of course, anonymous sources that could be anyone or even figments of someone’s imagination.

  94. 94.

    Eyeroller

    @schrodingers_cat:  Many of those protests faded away because the academic year ended and most of the students went home.  But yeah.  A month or so ago the MSM were lusting for a repeat of the 1968 DNC convention in Chicago, with Vietnam-war protestors replaced by Gaza-war protestors.  Now they are lusting after a brokered convention.​

  99. 99.

    Villago Delenda Est

    The absolute dickweeds that are the political reporting class continue to ignore Dobbs.

  101. 101.

    3Sice

    @Eyeroller:

    I believe on account of Ohio GOP dumbfuckery Joe will be set as the nominee prior – and the convention strictly a TV event.

    Plus certain party interests demanded we declaw the superdelegates. Lulz….

  104. 104.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @laura: I was just listening to this episode of TBGWT and they discuss the debates, Biden, and Karen goes on a righteous rant about the bullshit idea of replacing Biden.  It starts around the 10 minute mark.

  105. 105.

    Mousebumples

    @khead: Network news is unwatchable after Doggett comments. “Biden under growing pressure”, etc.

    Fixed that for you.

  107. 107.

    Elizabelle

    @jackmac:  Let us know if your comment is ever approved.

    I think they are not publishing ones supporting JRB (Biden).  So it looks like they’re reporting  the zeitgeist, rather than setting it.

    Vichy Times indeed.

    AG Sulzberger and editor Joe Kahn are deplorables.  Expensively educated and raised deplorables.

  108. 108.

    Ruckus

    @Barbara:

    I think a lot of humans, no matter how religious they are or think they are, will always follow that when faced with a very significant issue, like giving birth and raising a child. Now do not get me wrong, a lot of humans absolutely want children, nature does that for us. But in my youth it was not unusual to see families with 3 to 6 kids, first because healthcare was far less knowledgable than it is today and birth control was far less available. And the population was just a tad less. The population of all of the United States in 1890 is less by over 1/4 of a million than the population of Los Angeles County today. That’s in 134 yrs. It has grown just a bit in that time. My grandparents were alive in 1890.

  109. 109.

    Mousebumples

    @geg6: thanks for your perspective! I appreciate the reassurance.

    @UncleEbeneezer: good idea – or Indivisible.

    My schedule (work and obligations) is a challenge, but hopefully I can find something local.

    @louc: I’m not familiar with red wine and blue. I’ll have to check it out!

  111. 111.

    CaseyL

    @Mousebumples: 

    I’m extremely sorry to hear about that! Are there any other organizing groups in your area, like one of the unions? (SEIU is very active in Washington state.) Maybe a liberal church?

    Grays Harbor County was solidly Democratic until the timber industry collapsed, which of course they blame on environmentalists and therefore, also of course, on Democrats. SFAIK, the economy there continues to be… not great.

  112. 112.

    coozledad

    @schrodingers_cat: One thing that’s really disturbed me is on my visits to Durham, NC, I’ve noticed a lot of swastikas alongside or superimposed on pro-Palestinian posters. I already knew that in the white male cohort, the tendency on the horseshoe left has been to embrace the most gratingly Leninist view possible. But now they’re deep in fascist waters.

    And I’ve already witnessed one of our local  Bernie candidates go full Trumper. I think I’ve seen enough to assume the ratfuckers entirely hijacked the discussion about Palestine, and they’re receiving lots of Republican cash.

  115. 115.

    Mousebumples

    @CaseyL: most of the super active organizing I’m finding is in Madison or MKE. I’ve now joined a few Madison based women organized Facebook groups, so we’ll see how that goes.

    I’m not aware of much with unions in my area, but I could check. Thanks for the suggestion!

  120. 120.

    Belafon

    @jonas: none what the thread above said abiut Dobbs showing up in polls: it really hasn’t. The polls have been about 5-8% below the elections.

  121. 121.

    Another Scott

    I was flipping radio channels between NPR/ATC and the PBS NewsHour on the drive home.

    It’s yet another example of how women will save us all, if we listen to them and act.

    On ATC, Ari Shapiro was interviewing Jeffrey Rosen of some think tank related to the Constitution. He was giving a decent overview of the immunity decision and saying how the dissenters were “saying” it was a 5 alarm fire and how it really was a big change, but that Hamilton said in some dusty 250 year old book that the President needed to be unfettered by anything, so it the majority was “saying” that it really wasn’t that big a deal and was totally defendable.

    Heather Cox Richardson on the NewsHour talking with Jeffrey Brown. She was pushing back on this not being a big change. She said it was a radical change, that we explicitly set up our system to get away from kings and monarchs and people above the law. She said the SCOTUS has already trashed our system, that the idea that maybe the President would have more power is something we have to wait and see is a total misreading of what happened. And so forth. Brown seemed to be taken aback by her passion and her not pulling any punches, but he had the sense not to try to play devil’s advocate as too many on NPR News think they have to do.

    HCR’s segment (in the link above) is highly, highly recommended.

    There is no ATC link to the segment with Rosen – it will probably be up tomorrow. Have your mouthguard in if you plan to listen to it/read it, otherwise you might damage your molars.

    Grr…,
    Scott.

  122. 122.

    Gvg

    @Barbara: it also means they can finish their life on their time. I mean the stupidity of these women hating law makers and their ignorant constituents is restricting all female healthcare. The body is one piece with all systems tied together. Emergencies happen fast and aren’t fair or fairy tales and happen to good women who don’t want abortions but do want to live. And “bad” women deserve healthcare too. There are so many levels of wrong in what they are doing. They are too stubborn to back down easily because they have spent decades plotting and calling for this. They can’t compromise or admit doctors know anything better than them now after all those years.

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    jackmac

    @Elizabelle: Looks like the Times shitcanned my comment. Oh well, it’s better to copy it over here for viewing by like-minded jackals!

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    Chief Oshkosh

    @Another Scott: I second your suggestion of watching Heather Cox Richardson on the NewsHour talking with Jeffrey Brown.  Thanks for the link.

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    EarthWindFire

    @3Sice: According to Ground News (a news amalgm of “left, right and center”), the usual RWMFs are reporting this as Biden trying to slip by the debate results. Because when you cheat, you assume everyone else does.

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    EarthWindFire

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: Polling methodology makes assumptions about who will turn out to vote. If the aftermath of the Dobbs decision significantly affected who turns out to vote, it will be difficult to adjust for using current likely-voter screening methods.

    I work for a market research company (no political candidates). Dobbs is a big reason but there are numerous reasons that the likely voter model has been useless since 2016. I see polls as warning signs at best. Whatever predictive value they have is shot.

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    Elizabelle

    @jackmac: Yes.  I screengrab my own.

    The Vichy Times used to accept my comments regularly.  Because they’re genteel.  But not if in support of Joe!!

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    Another Scott

    ICYMI, …

    Andrew Weissmann (weissmann11 on Threads)🌻
    @AWeissmann_
    2h

    Judge Merchan moving the sentencing to mid September is smart. It gives Trump and DA and the court time to brief the issues, but Merchan will ultimately reject the weak Trump claims, and importantly the new mid-September sentencing date will make it VERY hard for Trump to then be able to appeal to SCOTUS before the election as he will have to appeal within NY state courts first.

    Jul 2, 2024 · 10:42 PM UTC

    (via Angry_Staffer)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    RaflW

    @3Sice: But Lloyd Dogget, Jared Golden, and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez have all lost stature as Democrats, the first by the biggest self inflicted hit.

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    Eyeroller

    @RaflW: The latter two are in marginal constituencies (as the Brits might call it) but they could at least keep their goddamned mouths shut. Doggett has no such excuse and should pay for this.

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    Kayla Rudbek

     

    @Chief Oshkosh: yeah, I would like to have my next car be electric, but I am not buying one of the fascist Musk’s poorly engineered excuses for an automobile. Heck, I should probably be looking at a electric trike

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    Gretchen

    @zhena gogolia: I think Kamal would be amazing on Hot Ones. I’m not sure Joe would – he grew up in an Irish household like I did where garlic and oregano were considered too spicy. My husband used to tease me when we first met: you won’t like it, Peg. It has flavor.

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    The Lodger

    Good to hear things have improved with your wife on the job front. I was becoming embarrassed for Oregon.

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    Chris Johnson

    @coozledad: Absolutely. I’ve seen it happen again and again. One of the earliest examples was, the ratfuckers in Russia went straight after Liz Warren and successfully turned all the fake left against her in a VERY VERY coordinated way.

    Every effort is being successfully made to turn anyone who is stupid trusting left, against Biden on the grounds that he is effectively genociding the Palestinians himself in cahoots with Netanyahu. I don’t know how successful it is in literally persuading these stupid, stupid people to actually support Trump on the grounds he will rescue the Palestinians personally.

    I understand Trump personally and directly contradicts this, but we’re talking propaganda and chaos and so reality is not the final arbiter. There is some chance of pointing to Trump and saying ‘this guy will literally genocide them given the opportunity’ but it’s not an automatic argument-winner. I’m just saying that some effort is probably underway to paint Trump as the better alternative, just as there was effort to paint Trump as ‘hear me out, what if he is more conducive to leftist reforms because he is such the outsider’.

    Unsurprisingly this all comes straight from Moscow and is 100% in line with their known tactics in this kind of warfare. You have to begin with the axiom that the plan is not about making sense, but about capitalizing on chaos.

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