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Sunday Morning Open Thread: TFG Tries to Refudiate Project 2025

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As is his life-long habit, Trump wants the credit for any successful project, but not the blame for anything that goes wrong. Per the Associated Press, “Trump denies knowing about Project 2025, his allies’ sweeping plan to transform the US government”:

Donald Trump distanced himself Friday from Project 2025, a massive proposed overhaul of the federal government drafted by longtime allies and former officials in his administration, days after the head of the think tank responsible for the program suggested there would be a second American Revolution…

The 922-page plan outlines a dramatic expansion of presidential power and a plan to fire as many as 50,000 government workers to replace them with Trump loyalists. President Joe Biden’s reelection campaign has worked to draw more attention to the agenda, particularly as Biden tries to keep fellow Democrats on board after his disastrous debate.

Trump has outlined his own plans to remake the government if he wins a second term, including staging the largest deportation operation in U.S. history and imposing tariffs on potentially all imports. His campaign has previously warned outside allies not to presume to speak for the former president and suggested their transition-in-waiting efforts were unhelpful.

Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts said on Steve Bannon’s “War Room” podcast Tuesday that Republicans are “in the process of taking this country back.” Former U.S. Rep. Dave Brat of Virginia hosted the show for Bannon, who is serving a four-month prison term.

“We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be,” Roberts said.

Those comments were widely circulated online and blasted by the Biden campaign, which issued a statement saying Trump and his allies were “dreaming of a violent revolution to destroy the very idea of America.”…

Trump’s comments on Project 2025 come ahead of the Republican Party’s meetings next week to begin to draft its party platform.

Project 2025 has been preparing its own 180-day agenda for the next administration that it plans to share privately, rather than as part of its public-facing book of priorities for a Republican president. A key Trump ally, Russ Vought, who contributed to Project 2025 and is drafting this final pillar, is also on the Republican National Committee’s platform writing committee.

A spokesperson for the plan said Project 2025 is not tied to a specific candidate or campaign.

“We are a coalition of more than 110 conservative groups advocating policy and personnel recommendations for the next conservative president,” a statement said. “But it is ultimately up to that president, who we believe will be President Trump, to decide which recommendations to implement.”…


 
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  2. 2.

    WereBear

    It’s their platform, I don’t care what they claim at the convention.

    THIS is what the Republicans stand for, ever and ever amen.

    Make them own this.

  8. 8.

    Leto

    “I know nothing about Project Stardust. I have no idea who is behind it nor of any plans on Scarif. I disagree with some of the things Orson Krennic and his team are saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal — nothing is being done on Narkina 5. Anything Krennic and team do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.” -Sheev Palpatine

    Star Wars spoof on this.

  10. 10.

    moonbat

    @rikyrah: Wow, TCFFG really IS sucking up all the dough, isn’t he?

    Hammer the Project 2025 objectives hard, but never forget the REAL reason Trump is in this race is to stay out of prison and defense attorneys are EXPENSIVE.

    I wonder if the nepo baby Mellon is rich enough to fund an entire presidential election campaign single-handedly.

  12. 12.

    Scout211

    That Trump “knows nothing” about Project 2025 is sort of kind of believable since he does have that leaky brain that keeps be projected onto Biden.  But Steven Miller not having anything to do with Project 2025?  Now that’s just completely and utterly unbelievable.  Nice try, Stephen.

     

     Daily Beast
    Former Trump advisor Stephen Miller claimed he has “never been involved with Project 2025” in a post on X on Saturday, however, a video on the Project 2025 YouTube channel says otherwise. Following in former President Donald Trump’s footsteps, Miller tried to deny he has had any involvement with the plan, that has been described as, “ridiculous and abysmal,” by his former boss. Unfortunately for Miller, he appears in a video on the Project 2025 website entitled “Project 2025 Presidential Administration Academy.” Miller addressed the Biden-Harris campaign X account which shared a screengrab of Miller in the video, telling followers on X “I know you’re upset because your candidate has soft pudding for brains, but that’s not a recruitment ad. A while back I made a video for students on how to build skills. I have never been involved with Project 2025, not one word. But keep hoaxing, losers. Hoaxes are all you have.” Miller isn’t the only Trump administration official linked to Project 2025. Former Trump assistant Spencer Chretien, former Trump Office of Personnel Management Chief of Staff Paul Dans and Trump advisor Troup Hemenway appear in the video and are listed on the Project 2025 website as creators of the plan. Trump campaign press secretary Karoline Leavitt also appears in the video right after Miller.

  14. 14.

    mrmoshpotato

    Good summary in that graphic, disgusting shitstain to the right.

    Got about a fourth through it and had to stop reading.

  15. 15.

    RaflW

    Troubling Signs of Cognitive Decline as Trump Struggles to Recognize Closest Aides
    “I know nothing about Project 2025” statement triggers new concerns about his fitness to serve

    President Trump continued to raise concerns about a cognitive decline after he was unable to recognize his closest allies last week. He put out a statement saying “I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it.” Project 2025 is the organizational effort to plan a second Trump administration, staffed by some of Trump’s closest and most loyal aides. The statement raised more concerns about whether the former President, 78, is fit to serve.

    —

    Satire from Don Moynihan, but amply points out how different the Biden coverage is from TFG.

  16. 16.

    wil

    “beliefs” not “beleifs”

    Come on, we’re supposed to be the educated ones.

  18. 18.

    rikyrah

    Receipt Maven (@receiptmaven) posted at 7:47 PM on Thu, Jul 04, 2024:

    🚨🚨🚨Kevin Roberts, discussing how they’re training 10k+ people for specific jobs that Heritage Foundation is recommending they be appointed to. They are “trained and vetted.” Also making sure they have the Executive Orders/Rules & Regs ready for a 100-Day Plan that is SECRET. https://t.co/sJmPbleqao

    (https://x.com/receiptmaven/status/1809026173462102381?t=1GsqlCb4IIQxB7oQc1A4hw&s=03)

  19. 19.

    TBone

    Meanwhile, here in my beloved Commonwealth:

    https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/biden-visiting-philly-church-sunday-20240705.html

    Biden will deliver remarks after the church service in Philadelphia, his campaign said. It did not identify the church or provide a time for the service.

    Oh and. AND Heather Cox Richardson recently called out Orban and Hungarian think tanks corrupt oligarchy $ FUNDING $ to the Heritage Foundation.  That draws a direct line to Pooty.

    https://hrf.org/russias-opposition-needs-more-than-one-savior/

  20. 20.

    RaflW

    There’s one element of Project 2025 that I think is an absolute lie. I do not, for one second, believe that they would defund the FBI and Homeland Security. That’s some MAGA bullshit about their butthurt that the FBI wasn’t easily corruptible in TFGs single term, but they will need the apparatuses of those two agencies to actually impose their incredibly unpopular regime goals.

    Past of what I find so enraging about our brain-dead press is that no one is looking at the details of P2025 and asking any Republican officials for reactions. Or even trying to unpack how this sh*t would work.

    If the FBI and Homeland Security are ‘defunded’, how will you also crack down on crime and deport several million immigrants? It’s utterly nonsensical, but our media people just look slack-jawed at this giant softball being pitched. “Policy is boring.” Fukin’ jackasses.

  21. 21.

    RSA

    Project 25 promises to fire up to 50,000 federal civil servants and replace them with Trump loyalists. It’s laughable, the assumption that the skills and experience of that many people doesn’t matter to the effectiveness of the government. They might as well say, “Here’s a list of offices we will make dysfunctional for an unspecified period, maybe indefinitely.”

  22. 22.

    Scout211

    I’m seeing pics of Russ Vought for the first time since the Project 2025 came out of the shadows recently. IMHO, he and Stephen Miller have an eerily similar look about them.  Coincidence? Long lost brothers? Cousins? Or just fellow Nazis? Ding, ding,ding!

  23. 23.

    Geminid

    So Dave Brat is helping fill on for the convict Bannon. A blast from the past. Brat’s the Randolph Macon College professor who knocked Eric Cantor out in 2014 7th CD primary.

    The 7th was centered in the suburbs north and west of Richmond, and Republicans had kept a firm grip on it since the party realignment of the 1970s. Then in 2018, Abigail Spanberger narrowly defeated Brat and has held the seat since. She is running for Governor next year, and former Army colonel Eugene Vindman will defend the 7th CD for the Democrats

    Ed. The new CD maps shifted the 7th to the north. Now 2/3s of its residents live along the I-95 corridor, from Fredericksburg north to Prince William County. The district stretches west to the Blue Ridge.

  26. 26.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @rikyrah:

    Wow. That’s a huge differential. Dem organizing in the swing states is substantial too. I doubt it’s the same for the other side, given that RNC funds are diverted to Trump’s lawyers.

  27. 27.

    Lapassionara

    @rikyrah: Thank you, rikyrah. You rock.

    Why does anyone refer to this plan as “conservative”? It is a radical remake of our laws and institutions.

  28. 28.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Me and the youngster Benri Bro engineer at work were both are betting that if Trump gets elected, the Heritage Foundation wouldn’t even make it to inauguration day because Trump always screws anyone who he owes. And god damn, Heritage Foundation didn’t even make to it the campaign proper before they got a gold plated spork in the back. ROFL

  30. 30.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Scout211:

    Former Trump advisor Stephen Miller claimed he has “never been involved with Project 2025”

    And I have this really cool bridge to sell you.

  32. 32.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @RSA:  They desire nothing less than making the US govt completely incapable of governing.

  33. 33.

    wil

    @RSA:

    They might as well say, “Here’s a list of offices we will make dysfunctional for an unspecified period, maybe indefinitely.”

    That’s fine by them. Then conservatives can point to the dysfunction and say ‘see, government doesn’t work…let’s get rid of most of it’

  35. 35.

    jimmiraybob

    @RaflW: “…how will you also crack down on crime and deport several million immigrants?”

    I believe that the convicted and unrepentant felon has mentioned military, national guard, sheriffs and local police.

  36. 36.

    Another Scott

    +1 to Demas.

    “You just tell them and they believe.  They just do.” – TCFFG.

    NewRepublic.com:

    “If you have ratings, you can be the meanest, most horrible human being in the world,” he continued. “There’s only one thing that matters: ratings. You can be nice, or you can be mean, you can be evil, you can be horrible. You can be crude or elegant. There’s only one thing that matters, and that’s ratings.”

    He’ll be so miserable when everyone finally, finally ignores him…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  38. 38.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @RSA: Project 25 promises to fire up to 50,000 federal civil servants and replace them with Trump loyalists.

    Not to mention, who is going to give up a stable job with a private corporation for a job for a boss who might fire you by midnight tweet because his steak was underdone? The only candidates they could get would be bunch of unemployable homeschooled luzers.

  40. 40.

    NeenerNeener

    There’s a superhero show on Amazon Prime called “The Boys”. The superheros were all created from a serum given to them as babies, and although some of them are really sincere do-gooders, the rest are sketchy AF. The company that’s pretty much running the US gov’t behind the scenes is called ‘Vought’. I wonder if that’s a coincidence or did the creators of this show get a heads up 4 or 5 years ago that Project 2025 was in the works and this is the Project 2025 mastermind.

  41. 41.

    prostratedragon

    Ground game:

    Over 200 attendees have shown up to a campaign rally in Georgia to begin canvassing and outreach efforts. Don’t let the media tell you Democrats aren’t excited to reelect President Biden. Retweet so all Americans call the media out on their BS.

  44. 44.

    chemiclord

    But, ya know, Biden is the one sundowning.  Of course.

    Of course, it doesn’t matter to Trump’s supporters because they don’t actually care about it.  Republicans are supposed to break government.  It doesn’t matter if Trump is a literal vegetable.  The function is the same at the end of the day.

  46. 46.

    RaflW

    @OzarkHillbilly: I know I don’t have conservative brain worms, but how does this even work? Americans of all stripes complain plenty about bureaucracy, many complain about taxes and ok, some regulations seem dumb or cumbersome.

    But the sort of shit-ass kakistocracy glibertarian paradise they want will frustrate the everloving frunk out of a wide swathe of this country. People — even Republican people — have had a lifetime of (mostly) competent and robust government services.

    They only think what we have here sucks. Biden’s Infrastructure bill has also done amazing things for the economy and wages.

    This country is definitely gonna go through some things (and I am not overlooking the human rights abuses that will be horrendous, but for this moment I’m looking at services and economy), and when people realize that all that New Deal stuff was what they wanted and liked, they’re not going to be docile.

    The execrable Orban has been smart enough to maintain much of the standard of living Hungarians had just gotten a taste of after they threw off communism. His illiberal democracy [sic], at least in Budapest, looks quite western and prosperous. It is not the hollowed out, slash and burn style Heritage craves.

  47. 47.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @NeenerNeener: The company that’s pretty much running the US gov’t behind the scenes is called ‘Vought’. I wonder if that’s a coincidence or did the creators of this show get a heads up 4 or 5 years ago that Project 2025 was in the works and this is the Project 2025 mastermind.

    No, that is just the Hollywood trope that DoD contractors are EVIL.  Vought was an aircraft manufacture. And in Hollywood weird little fanfiction version of America, aircraft manufacturing and bio tech, it’s all just the same and CGI when you come down to it, right?  Just like Tony Stark.

  48. 48.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: ​
     

    the Heritage Foundation wouldn’t even make it to inauguration day because Trump always screws anyone who he owes. And god damn, Heritage Foundation didn’t even make to it the campaign proper before they got a gold plated spork in the back. ROFL

    Couldn’t have happened to a nicer group of people Nazis.

  49. 49.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @RaflW: I know I don’t have conservative brain worms, but how does this even work?

    Conspiracy theories, blame the Left and then witch hunts for traitors in the party when it falls apart.

  50. 50.

    JWR

    Thank you, Anne Laurie, for the timely post! Until Mark Warner et al give up their phantasmagorical pipe dream of a contested, Putin approved convention, welp, it’s gonna be a long damn Summer. But there’s this!

    On Thursday, as the country celebrated Independence Day and Biden prepared for his television interview after his halting debate performance,

    The word “halting” is at least progress, however small. Beats “catastrophic” any day. And good for campaign spokesperson Ammar Moussa, who posted the blockquoted quote, and for these reporters just doing their damn jobs.

  51. 51.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @RaflW: I know I don’t have conservative brain worms, but how does this even work?

    It doesn’t. And in that void they will be free to indulge all of their libertarian fantasies without interference from a “government”. Of course, they will be just as fucked as the rest of us but right now they still believe they are MsOTU.

    I suspect reality will sink in when they realize they have to pay their private armies more than they ever paid in taxes.

    Naaaahhhh, that’ll never happen.

  52. 52.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @OzarkHillbilly: I suspect reality will sink in when they realize they have to pay their private armies more than they ever paid in taxes.

    “It’s those gwad damn lazy and greedy Mexican mercenaries fault! If we weren’t so broke we would hire that East Asian security contractors to teach those Mexicans a thing or two!”

  53. 53.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    Conspiracy theories, blame the Left and then witch hunts for traitors in the party when it falls apart.

    Exactly. Plus, undermining government’s ability to work proves that government doesn’t work, dontcha know?

  55. 55.

    wil

    Trump and his cult followers figured out that if you just call in a bunch of death threats to reporters and media that say bad things about you, they will soon begin to think twice before saying those bad things about you.

    It’s really not any more complicated than that.

  56. 56.

    The Thin Black Duke

    @OzarkHillbilly: Once the Internet is gone and currency is worthless, what will the Elon Musks of this Brave New World do when they can’t afford to pay their guards anymore?

  61. 61.

    NotMax

    Media notes.

    German with English subtitles, Viktor Bringt’s on Prime is pretty amusing.

    Only a few episodes in but so far enjoying the satire of Parlement on MHz Choice. Multi-lingual with English subtitles.

  62. 62.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    If I were in Bartertown and ran into Musk, his death wouldn’t be slow and miserable.

    Sure, I’d end up in Thunderdome as punishment but I’d be okay with that.  I say that now…

  63. 63.

    Viva BrisVegas

    @The Thin Black Duke:  The Masters of the Universe are expecting that given the choice of working for them as low paid serfs or starving, ordinary people will pick serfdom.

  64. 64.

    JWR

    @RaflW: Lol!

    You can almost see the concern in her eyes as she stands by Trump, hoping that no reporters will ask her if she is troubled that he does not know who she is.”

    Yeah, I know this is nothing to sneeze at, but I really needed a good laugh this morning. ;)

  65. 65.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @matt: I stopped following that smug, Dem-hater asshole years ago (along with pretty much anyone affiliated with Jacobin).  Let me guess…something, something, Dems/Biden are the worst…

  67. 67.

    Layer8Problem

    @The Thin Black Duke, @OzarkHillbilly:

    That seems to have been a long-standing concern of your garden-variety libertarian/conservative billionaire:  “Hey, what’s a good way of ensuring the loyalty or at least compliance of your security team in your bunker after the inevitable societal breakdown?  So they like, you know, don’t torture and kill you and break into your gold and Cristal and drug vaults?  Asking for a friend.”

  71. 71.

    wil

    “[Kamala Harris’] best moments, on the other hand, have come when she’s acting as the prosecutor she once was. And prosecuting the case against Donald Trump is the singular task of the Democratic nominee.”

    And that is the singular task that Biden has been unable to do.

  72. 72.

    wil

    Voters need to be constantly reminded of Trump’s misdeeds, and Harris is more capable of making that case than Biden is. She would also bring out the worst in Trump; we can all imagine the repulsive things he would say about her, which would thrill his hateful cultists but reinforce for the rest of the electorate why they don’t like him.

     

    Furthermore, in the wake of the Dobbs decision overturning Roe v. Wade, Harris has become the administration’s chief advocate on reproductive freedom, which is the single most important policy issue in this campaign and could be the key to a Democratic victory. She is far more passionate speaking about it than Biden, whose evident discomfort with abortion often leaves him tongue-tied on the issue.

  73. 73.

    moonbat

    So I get that nothing is a slam dunk but here we have an opposing campaign with a wannabe fascist at its head who isn’t buying ads and isn’t putting boots on the ground to get out the vote and is putting out REALLY REALLY unpopular ‘policy’ proposals.

    On top of that we have anti-Dobbs (or pro-Dobbs in the case of Pa.) initiatives on the ballot in many swing states — an issue we know has brought out the blue vote in every state that it has been contested since 2022.
    Why have we been allowing the media to tell us to set our hair on fire and find a new, perfect candidate (not that one) for the past week and a half when it seems like continuing to do the work (donate, get out the vote, ignore manufactured distractions) promises some pretty good results?

  74. 74.

    snoey

    @OzarkHillbilly: Dem ground game seems strong. My wife checked into volunteering in New Hampshire since we’re not in play here. She talked to the full-time paid Massachusetts volunteers coordinator. There is also one for Vermont volunteers and about a dozen for in-state work. They want you to knock on the doors now, not in the fall.

  75. 75.

    Jackie

    @Scout211:

    I’m seeing pics of Russ Vought for the first time since the Project 2025 came out of the shadows recently. IMHO, he and Stephen Miller have an eerily similar look about them.

    Both give me the heebeejeebies. Creepier than hell.

  76. 76.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    Nothing helps a ground game like:

    Experience, we have that in spades by this point

    Money, for better or for worse because of sourcing, we’re hoovering that up with aplomb

    Motivation, existential threat to democracy, Dobbs, convicted felon for opponent, etc.

  78. 78.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Poor Taylor Swift. The pop star is a billionaire and one of the most successful people on the planet. She has an army of devoted fans who happily bankrupt themselves to follow her on record-breaking tours around the world. A German city just temporarily renamed itself Swiftkirchen in her honour. The Federal Reserve has credited her for boosting the economy. And yet, when it comes to the most important metrics of success, Taylor is a tragic failure: she is an ageing, unmarried wench who hath not brought forth a child into this world.
    Such is the opinion of John Mac Ghlionn: a man nobody has ever heard of. In a recent op-ed for Newsweek, Ghlionn argued that Swift is a terrible role model for women because “at 34, Swift remains unmarried and childless … While Swift’s musical talent and business acumen are certainly admirable, even laudable, we must ask if her personal life choices are ones we want our sisters and daughters to emulate.”​

    My heart just breaks for her.

  79. 79.

    Geminid

    @snoey: Democrats traveled from Massachusetts to campaign for Tom Suozzi in the NY 3rd special election this Spring. From Maryland too.

  80. 80.

    Soprano2

    @WereBear: Hey Wear Bear, if you’re still here I wanted to let you know my cat is ok. He had a lot of fluid in his chest cavity; evidently he has a heart problem. He’s taking enalapril and Lasix as needed. He really started eating good yesterday. I got a bunch of those moist cat food enhancers to use to get him back on track. He’s an 8 lb cat and had lost 2 lbs! Scary stuff, and I had no idea until a few days before I took him to the vet. They hide their problems too well.

  82. 82.

    moonbat

    FYI, for those with Spoutible accounts: Today at 2 PM EDT, Christopher Bouzy will host a one-hour live Pod where he will dive into the reasons why Democrats cannot replace Biden if they hope to secure a win in November. He will also dissect the current polls, explaining why they might be more misleading than you think.

  83. 83.

    JWR

    Damn, I just tuned into the CBS Sunday BS show, and they we’re running a longish clip of “concerned” Dem voters expressing their “concern”. I know that CBS is junk, they’re one of the usual purveyors out there just catapulting the propaganda, but this was jarring, even for them.

  84. 84.

    Another Scott

    @OzarkHillbilly: Made me look…

    Typical RWNJ crank who is at some RWNJ think tank and gets republished everywhere the RWNJs congregate.

    “Republicans don’t lie to be believed, they lie to be repeated.” – LOLGOP.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  86. 86.

    Eyeroller

    @JWR: As we all know, they actively seek out “people on the street” who support their narrative, and ignore those who don’t.​
     Edit: I think boycotting the Sunday bobblehead shows is another good step. Hardly anybody watches them as it is.

  88. 88.

    Soprano2

    @rikyrah: So It’s a plan for TCFG that even Heritage knows is so toxic that they’re keeping it secret rather than having TCFG campaign on it! This should be in a Biden ad. “What is in the secret plan for a TCFG administration? Don’t you have a right to know before you vote?”

  89. 89.

    sdhays

    @Eyeroller: The number of times they’ve interviewed a “random undecided/independent voter” who turns out to be the chair of the local Republican Party or something has left me not believing their characterization of any “random” person they choose to platform.

  92. 92.

    moonbat

    Saw a headline (did not click) this morning stating that Nate Silver — himself — was calling on Biden to drop out of the race. As if anyone gives a rat’s ass what Nate Silver thinks about a damn thing. They are grasping at straws now to keep this stupid drumbeat alive.

  93. 93.

    Soprano2

    @OzarkHillbilly: I can’t believe they want to get rid of NOAA! I bet they want to buy those services from a private company that won’t mention climate change.

  94. 94.

    Soprano2

    @JWR: I always wonder how the press knows someone is telling the truth about being a D or R, since they can’t even figure it out when someone is an R operative masquerading as a regular voter?

  95. 95.

    Eyeroller

    @moonbat: Nate Silver has crossed over to Punditland and has Pundit brain now.  I don’t know why any normie would care what he thinks.  He’s apparently been tweeting furiously about it.

  96. 96.

    Layer8Problem

    @Soprano2:  The entirety of NOAA, eh?  They’re broadening their targets.  Back when, former nutbar Republican Senator Rick Santorum was pushing privatizing NOAA’s National Weather Service, for reasons; reasons that presumably had nothing to do with helping out his own Commonwealth of Pennsylvania’s highly private sector company AccuWeather, or his political contributions from AccuWeather’s president.

  98. 98.

    Soprano2

    @Layer8Problem: I remember that. I think people like him have no idea of everything NOAA does. Project 2025 hates them because they talk about climate change. We know why TCFG doesn’t like them!

  99. 99.

    satby

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: of course they’ll make it to Inauguration Day, they’re his campaign team and will be in his administration. He’s no longer got the capacity to remember if he wants to shiv them or not, and they won’t have the barely competent guardians like Milley or Kelly to try to restrain his worst impulses.

  100. 100.

    jlowe

    Having recently finished Mann’s and Wainwright’s book Climate Leviathan, I suspect that one day, Earth jurisprudence will develop some enforcement teeth and all of the Project 2025 participants will need to be examined to determine if they should be prosecuted for crimes against nature and humanity. To that end, I’ve started reading the Project 2025 report and making a list of the names mentioned in it. . . .

  102. 102.

    Tony G

    1. I’ve never heard of this.   2) There are parts of this thing that I’ve never heard of that I think are ridiculous and abysmal.  3) Finally, as for the people — whoever they are — that are being this thing that I’ve never heard of — I wish them luck!!!
  103. 103.

    Tony G

    @Tony G: The members of the Cult of Trump will lap this up and ask for more, because they are incapable of understanding the English Language and cannot understand kindergarten-level logic.

  104. 104.

    satby

    @JWR: the pushback is having an effect. After #DownwithCNN trended high on twitter yesterday, CNN finally coughed up a story on Trump and Project 2025. One story.

    The suggestion of an advertiser boycott may have helped. Real people, fighting back with passion to the media people’s  faces are making a difference.

  105. 105.

    JWR

    @Eyeroller:

    they actively seek out “people on the street” who support their narrative, and ignore those who don’t.

    Ain’t it the truth! That small bit was all I could take. And then I thought, “boy, I’ll bet Kristin Welker is just about bursting with joy”, tuned that in, and sure enough, the “concern” was evident in her eyes. But God, yes, boycott the Hell out of them. (Well, aside from taking a peek just to see what’s going on in their carefully cultivated, perfect little stupid little worlds.)

    PS. Great. Adam Schiff just said that Joe Biden should listen very carefully to what those around him are saying and make a decision that’s best for the country. He did say that he expected Biden to be on the ticket, but that was pretty weak sauce. Just his old, Blue Dog self peeking through. :(

    I used to be in his district but was reapportioned out, so if anyone else is there, (hey, Bill in Glendale!), time for a letter or a phone call.

  106. 106.

    Layer8Problem

    @satby:  There was a suggestion of an advertiser boycott?  Hell, there ought to be a full-blown Mainstream Media advertiser boycott movement, with memes and manifestos.

  107. 107.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @moonbat: Why have we been allowing the media to tell us to set our hair on fire and find a new, perfect candidate (not that one)

    Your falling behind on what our MSM better’s narrative; as of today it’s ALL Democrats are equally guilty of enabling Joe Biden of the high crime of eating ice cream in public, so, no candidate from the Democrats is acceptable.

    And WIL, if you are really sincere, you might reconsider your media consumption habits because this was clear were the MSM was going for a year now.  Just maybe, it was you that was brainwashed?

  108. 108.

    satby

    @Layer8Problem: see below

    Josh Marshall  @joshtpm

    1h

    People seem to be waking up this weekend to the fact that there is very real grassroots pushback to efforts to force Biden off the ticket. Whether that is determinative or merited I’ll leave to the side for the moment. This should not come as any surprise. 1)
    2)It also gets at what has always been the most worrisome to me about this whole process. This entire conversation is taking place among campaign staffers, journalists, political influencers, elected officials et al who know virtually nothing abt what rank and file Dems …3) feel about any of this. The thinking seems to be well what do they know. Well, maybe nothing. But they’re the voters, who the whole thing depends on. This is where the legitimacy comes in. People voted for Biden in the primaries. That means something. 4) I’m not saying this prescribes any particular course of action. But again the entire conversation is essentially the political and journalist elite talking to each other.

  109. 109.

    geg6

    @satby:

    Josh has finally caught on to what I have been saying to the normies in IRL.  And as soon as I tell them that this is what is happening, they go yeah, the MSM suck and they’re sticking with Biden/Harris.  Few seem to have their hair on fire unless they have consumed too much CNN and FTFNYT.

  110. 110.

    geg6

    @satby:

    Josh has finally caught on to what I have been saying to the normies in IRL.  And as soon as I tell them that this is what is happening, they go yeah, the MSM suck and they’re sticking with Biden/Harris.  Few seem to have their hair on fire unless they have consumed too much CNN and FTFNYT.

    **Reposted because my nym wasn’t sticky for some reason and I fucked up my email address.

  111. 111.

    JWR

    @satby: I tuned back into Welker’s show in time for the panel, and the tittering and outright laughing was surreal. I’ll bet these people really do eat each other’s sh*t, as in, “Hey! You guys wanna eat each other’s sh*t tonight?” And if that’s sounds disgusting, I’m sorry, but that’s really what I thought after exposing myself to just 10 minutes of their idiotic blather.

  112. 112.

    Mike in NC

    Just read an article that posits the fascist Supreme Court giving Fat Bastard immunity for anything he does is just another bullet point in Project 2025. Makes sense.

  113. 113.

    Eunicecycle

    @Soprano2: and I will bet that the private companies rely on NOAA for their information! I am watching The Weather Channel right now (private company) talking about the current tropical storm, DEFINITELY relying on NOAA for almost all their coverage.

  114. 114.

    moonbat

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Surprising no one. The whole thing is about de-legitimizing Democrats.

    Trolling my usual sites this morning though it seems like the weight of reality is in this case heavier than the manufactured narrative. Now that it’s becoming more clear that the rank and file Ds aren’t interested in following the media’s directive to throw our candidate off a cliff, what are they going to do now?

    Something very few people mention as affecting normie opinion and maybe why this isn’t catching on like ‘her emails’ is that to your average person on the street Joe Biden reads as a likeable guy and Trump as a nasty piece of work. You don’t have to watch the news obsessively or slant a thing to get that impression. Most people prefer to think of themselves as likeable too. It’s Biden’s secret superpower. He’s like the anti-Reagan who I think benefited a lot from people’s general impression that he was a likeable grandpa. Hence his teflon reputation no matter how bad his (Reagan’s) policies were.

  115. 115.

    Rusty

    @Soprano2: The Republicans have wanted to privatize the NOAA for a while.  It’s terrible we get good weather reporting for free, when someone could be making money from it.

  116. 116.

    Denali5

    @RaflW:

    Good thing you put in that qualifier in that paragraph about Hungary. My son and his family live in a small village about an hour north of Budapest, and things have stayed exactly the same since the Soviet era-the people are poor, poorly educated with few opportunities. They are not particularly religious and although they don’t like migrants, they need more workers to keep their factories open. The inflation rate is high, and  although the health care is free, many of the doctors have left for Germany because the pay is so low. It is quite laughable that Orban has managed to deceive so many pundits on the right. Hungary is not a viable model for the United States for many reasons.

  117. 117.

    Yutsano

    @TBone: Eh. Florint, rubles, it’s just concerned citizens* money right?

    *Please note it doesn’t say what country they’re citizens of.

  118. 118.

    Soprano2

    @Eunicecycle: Yes, they do, which the people promoting this probably don’t realize. Someone has to do all of that stuff, and since it doesn’t make money private companies don’t want to do it.

  119. 119.

    Smiling Happy Guy (aka boatboy_srq)

    “We are a coalition of more than 110 conservative groups advocating policy and personnel recommendations for the next conservative president,”

    Something something Deep State something.

  120. 120.

    Smiling Happy Guy (aka boatboy_srq)

    @RSA: It does seem they want an 18th century government with a 17th century economy and 10th century education and public welfare system.

    It’s almost as if their intention is to import the talent necessary to a technology-industrial economy just so they have more of Those Other People* to hate.

  121. 121.

    RevRick

    Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts, (Project 2025) recently bragged that Republicans are “in the process of taking this country back… in the process of the Second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”

    IOW, KNEEL, OR DIE!
    That sounds like tyranny to me.

  123. 123.

    wjca

    @RaflW: If the FBI and Homeland Security are ‘defunded’, how will you also crack down on crime and deport several million immigrants?

    It’s a two step process:

    1. Defund the FBI and Homeland Security.  All the current staff leave, on account of there being no money to pay them.
    2.  Restore funding.  Rehire the previous employees who are on board with the fascist project.  Replace the rest with true believers.

    Simple, see?

  125. 125.

    Juju.

    @Tony G: Project 2025 only brought me coffee on occasion. It wasn’t even good coffee and I didn’t even thank him. Heritage Foundation only cleaned the pool at Mar a Lago.  I didn’t have any contact with them and still haven’t paid them because there is a lawsuit about the contract.

  128. 128.

    VOR

    There is no way TFG read a 900 page document. Nope. So yeah, he really doesn’t know what’s in it.

    He screwed up the 2016-17 transition by not being prepared. This is other people supplying a game plan: who to hire, what policy to push, etc… They are going to execute this plan with TFG simply signing what they tell him to sign.

  130. 130.

    Ironcity

    @Eunicecycle: Decades ago I was on detail at NOAA.   What really burt the NWS people’s biscuits was that they collected the information  from surface, sea, air, and space and worked their tails off and then gave it to Weather Channels, AccuWeather, and everybody else who packaged it with flashy graphics and  sold it to media outlets, farmers, and ski operators and such while NWS had to beg for enough bailing twine and bubblegum to keep their systems together.

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