This is the most important thing I have ever seen from The Lincoln Project.
Warning: You may feel sick after watching this.
But better today, seeing a possible future on display, than after the election in which this could become reality if Trump is elected. We all know what November 2016 felt like, and we all know this would be much, much worse.
For those who can’t imagine the death of American democracy, we imagined it for you. Watch here. pic.twitter.com/3Nvalq8VLD
— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) July 9, 2024
What concrete things are we all doing to make sure this hideous future never becomes a reality?
Please share in the comments.
H.E.Wolf
Typo alert: I think you meant Nov. 2016.
CaseyL
I don’t want to give the Lincoln Project any clicks, because it seems mostly to be a preach-to-the-chorus-for-money “enterprise,” so I will instead ask you: Is this going to run on network or cable TV? Where people who don’t go online much can see it
ETA: Add George Clooney to the doom machine. He’s just called for Biden to step aside
WaterGirl
@H.E.Wolf: Already caught that!
Pretty sure none of us remember what 1026 felt like. :-)
Redshift
Knocking doors in Saturday! Earliest we’ve ever started for a presidential general election.
Dangerman
November 1026 sucked, too.
WaterGirl
@CaseyL: I doubt that anyone here can answer your question about TV.
What if people here send it to people they know? Then they would see it without it being on TV.
If you would ever think about making an exception to your LP rule, this would be the one to watch.
BR
I can’t get over the narrator’s voice…the content is good, but still, if it’s going to go viral then details matter.
H.E.Wolf
Same as usual. Writing postcards; calling my members of Congress; volunteering for the Democrats in my state. And ignoring les outrages du jour.
Kitchen safety 101: if grease in a pan catches on fire, clap the lid on the pan and starve the fire of oxygen. I’m doing the same, re: all the greasy speculation and fantasizing.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@CaseyL:
That’s always been (one of) my beef(s) with our Stalin-esque allies there: just how broad is their ‘advertising’ reach? Given the common perception that they’re around to hoover up money from unsuspecting progressives, I don’t see them actually spending money on advertising outside of producing stuff like this.
rikyrah
If you are not White, Male, Heterosexual…
PROJECT 2025 IS COMING FOR YOU.
I literally don’t know how to say it other than that.
chemiclord
I’m cALLiNg fOr A bROkeRed ConVeNTiOn cUZ Biden Is ToO OLd!
prostratedragon
@WaterGirl: Speak for yourself.
CaseyL
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
SFAIK they don’t.
No GOTV, no voter registration, no voter outreach other than running ads on YouTube.
That used to get some media attention, since they’re ex-GOPers lashing out at a GOP President, which brings in more money because (liberal) people love the ads. But I don’t think even the MSM pays much attention to them anymore.
TBone
Will the Supremacists Court grant the Writ of Certiorari?
I’m shouting about this warning today. This shit is REAL.
Kiss your Habeus Corpus goodbye is not hyperbole!!!
Remember, the DOJ controls all federal law enforcement. If you don’t know what Habeus Corpus is, please look it up!
schrodingers_cat
@rikyrah: They are terrible on immigration. As expected.
Mike E
@CaseyL: it probably will run on commercial television but that will be hit and miss as you already know.
TBone
@WaterGirl: what is an LP rule?
TBone
@H.E.Wolf: great analogy.
rikyrah
@schrodingers_cat:
We will be going back to pre-Civil Rights immigration:
WHITES ONLY
And, if you don’t believe that they are going to try and stop as many non-Whites from getting their citizenship…wake up.
Old School
@TBone: LP = Lincoln Project
CaseyL wrote that she doesn’t watch their videos.
TBone
@Old School: thank you! My mind thought about vinyl.
Mike E
@Redshift: I’ll look forward to your reports! I field canvassed for several enviro groups (15 years) and phone canvassed for a nonprofit GOTV initiative (nonpartisan, though focused on women of color) for several years more.
VOR
Wow. That Lincoln Project piece is powerful. And sadly plausible, as my MAGA relatives would cheer it every step of the way until the leopards started eating their faces too.
Belafon
@CaseyL: Considering the last two weeks, we need more people preaching to the choir about what the real issues are.
Ohio Mom
Obviously the answer to my question is, Birthright citizenship will be revoked selectively but really, technically, hardly anyone of us would be citizens — maybe only naturalized people would be citizens.
Because that is the source of my citizenship, I was born here.
eclare
I signed up to write postcards last night.
Dammit, George.
TBone
@eclare: I’m in mourning. Paint it Black!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=170sceOWWXc
Jackie
@CaseyL:
My understanding is the video is being aired on TV in Battleground states, and, I assume, some Red states.
prostratedragon
Partial index of Joyce Vance’s substack columns on Project2025, going back to last November. Could help in showing skeptics that things like the Lincoln Project video are not hyperbole (where that is true, of course).
Geminid
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: I’ve always had a neutral opinion of The Lincoln Project but I remember my reaction when Rick Wilson made a personal endoresment in the Virginia 7th CD primary. Eugene Vindman’s campaign and VoteVets staged a “shock and awe” campaign launch last November and Wilson was one of many national figures endorsing Vindman that day.
My reaction was, RICK WILSON NEEDS TO GET OFF MY LAWN AND STAY OUT OF MY DISTRICT!!!
In the event, Vindman easily won the primary and is showing decent retail campaign skills, so I’m not mad anymore. But Rick Wilson still needs to stay off my lawn.
Bupalos
I think this kind of thing is overall more damaging than helpful. Between every line of prediction is a silent “and of course the relevant people just obey.” I think the timeline given is so profoundly unlikely and such a misdirection from the very real threat that it’s kind of like global warming folks in the 2000’s doing CGI of giant tidal waves wiping out Manhattan.
TBone
Rep. Ted Lieu from yesterday should also be made into an ad and spread far and wide:
https://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2024/07/ted-lieu-has-guts
Belafon
Most of the Lincoln Project people haven’t been doing the thing where they tell Democrats how they need to govern. Their whole thing has mostly been “The Republican Party, as is, should be not allowed to government because they are dangerous.”
Jackie
@rikyrah:
TCFG’s/Heritage Foundation’s Enemy List has plenty of white, male heterosexual names on it – and not just limited to Democrats, either.
The Thin Black Duke
@eclare: White people–even progressive, well-meaning white people–find it difficult to understand how racist White people can be. The primary reason the election is so close is because too many white people are buying into what Trump is selling. Imagining that Kamala Harris is going to swoop easily into the White House is a fantasy, and it’s pissing me off that white people refuse to accept that. Racism and misogyny aren’t museum relics in America.
TBone
@Bupalos: pbfthhh
Belafon
@Bupalos: Part of 2025 is removing the people who blocked them the last time. And if you don’t think that can’t be done, look at the Supreme Court and look at what Woodrow Wilson did.
prostratedragon
Media Matters has a guide to the plan, which gives descriptions of personnel and policy priorities toward major issues.
Mike E
@Bupalos: where were you 2017-2020? This nation got fucking hammered, and that’s not hyperbole. Not helpful? What a take.
Bupalos
@rikyrah: You should find another way. Because it’s coming for you if you are white, male, and heterosexual too.
TBone
There aren’t enough Special Characters in the text box thingie.
WTF, over!
The Thin Black Duke
@Bupalos: Oh sure. But it’ll be the white folks who will be the last folks loaded in the cattle cars, if that makes you feel better.
Memory Pallas
@Geminid:
Will say in favor of Lincoln Project: they have been unwavering adherents of “Ridin’ with Biden.”
TBone
@The Thin Black Duke: I’m straining to remain polite and ladylike again.
A raspberry was the best I could do at first.
WaterGirl
@prostratedragon: That was laugh out loud funny.
Bupalos
@The Thin Black Duke: Trump’s growth market has been Hispanics and (weakly, speculatively) black men.
It’s definitely a white nationalist movement, but politically “white” can code different ways and attract different constituencies. He sure fucked up bigly with his “black jobs” though.
WaterGirl
@TBone: her rule that she won’t watch anything by the Lincoln Project (LP)
TBone
@WaterGirl: thanks! I was thinking of vinyl record albums 😆
prostratedragon
@WaterGirl: 🤓
TBone
White code specialist has entered the chat.
WaterGirl
@TBone: That was so good that I included it in my post last night.
TBone
@WaterGirl: 💜✊
Geminid
@Memory Pallas: Yes and so has Meidas Touch, which has a sizable social media audience. One of Meidas Touch’s leaders, Ron Filipkowski, is also a former Republican.
I wonder if one reason these Republican defectors are sticking with Biden is because they understand how weak a candidate Trump is. They don’t seem to be as scared of Trump as many Democrats are, and that has made them harder to stampede.
Bupalos
@Belafon: “people are policy” is in fact the deadly serious part of that agenda and I do take that extremely seriously. It also can’t happen overnight, can and will be opposed, and isn’t going to happen seamlessly and just move to on to step 2 the following week. Trump and his rabble cannot suddenly transform into supervillains. Millions of people are not going to be instantly deported. There is no capacity to do that and it would collapse the economy, so that both can’t and wouldn’t be obeyed. If one general comes in and fires the other 400, the other 400 would say no. And in this rapidly forming implosion where there is no longer a military or economy and the entire starving populace is strapping immigrants in wheelbarrows to push them back across the border, Trump is not going to issue “executive orders” banning abortion.
What I object to here is making bad predictions that ignore the actual mechanics of how a fascist takeover would happen and obscuring how it will actually happen. Amping up these expectations of spectacular democratic collapse actually obscures the threat. And in removing people’s reaction and agency from the equation, does active harm.
It’s not like we don’t have real world examples of how this works, Agenda 2025 is mostly a documentation of Hungary’s slide into authoritarianism. It doesn’t and won’t have these blockbuster moments, it’s an insidious gathering of power and controlling and reworking the “information space” and erecting subtle barriers to removing the incoming authoritarian kleptocracy. It can succeed but would take a decade at least.
That’s my objection.
Timill
@Ohio Mom: I would think naturalization could be revoked more easily than birthright citizenship.
Speaking as a naturalized citizen, of course…
opiejeanne
@Bupalos: Mmmm pie.
Bupalos
Lincoln Project are 50% allies in certain respects and 50% monetizing a political space.
Belafon
@Bupalos: Which still ranks higher than some people claiming they’re looking out for Democrats’ best interests.
Bupalos
@Belafon: I guess I’m just appealing to people’s sense of group identity here since there looks to be zero consideration of the nature of this content.
It looks and sounds like a trailer to a cheap, poorly constructed disaster movie because that’s what it is. Like the 2004 movie “The Day After Tomorrow” it’s heart and soul is firmly in exploitation and sensationalism, and like that movie, I think it does more damage than good to the issue it is ostensibly about. Come to think of it this may be modeled on that movie.
I’d love to hear some actual defense of the actual string of scenarios envisaged. Whether folks here really think this is how an authoritarian slide in the United States would take place. Or is the take “we have to sensationalize to get people’s attention?”
Mousebumples
I’m postcarding and trying to connect with my local Dem office. I’ve made progress since last week, but still trying to find time to talk with the County Chair.
Ask yourself this. If the media thought Trump was a lock to beat Biden (like so many nervous Dems seem to think)… Would they be working this hard to push him out of the race?
different-church-lady
God fucking dammit, what a world where the former conservatives are the only ones who haven’t lost the plot.
RandomMonster
It’s not sensationalizing at all to say that these are all aspirational objectives for Trump and Republicans, and that important tools toward those objectives have already been supplied by the Supreme Court.
moonbat
@Bupalos: Congrats! You have officially joined the Leopards will never eat MY face coalition.
When they lay it all out in a 1000-page tome precisely what they plan to do if they seize power again then you’d have to be something of an idiot to think they wouldn’t actually do it.
Instead of trolling folks here to educate you why don’t you go read Project 2025 yourself and then come back and tell us what you learned and why you think the OP video is hyperbole.
I’m going to have some pie.
BlueGuitarist
@Redshift:
Yay for canvassing!
@H.E.Wolf:
@eclare:
@Mousebumples:
Yay for postcarding!
i’ll be postcarding
Contributing to the boots on the ground fundraising here
hoping to start raising funds soon for excellent down ballot candidates in key districts.
i’ve identified super swing districts where additional turnout will impact multiple elections up and down the ballot
Currently researching candidates in these districts.
I love seeing candidates with
lots of endorsements from key groups and
active social media presence documenting their frequent canvassing efforts.
Trying to find more information on campaigns that don’t have that kind of presence on line.
Looking into what i can do to help down-ballot (state legislative) candidates besides fundraising.
Llelldorin
@The Thin Black Duke:
It’s more visible than usual at the moment. You can see it in the giant holes in the slams on Harris where the actual arguments against her ought to be.