Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Wake up. Grow up. Get in the fight.

This country desperately needs a functioning fourth estate.

The line between political reporting and fan fiction continues to blur.

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

It is not hopeless, and we are not helpless.

When you’re a Republican, they let you do it.

Optimism opens the door to great things.

Fuck these fucking interesting times.

Every decision we make has lots of baggage with it, known or unknown.

“Perhaps I should have considered other options.” (head-desk)

With all due respect and assumptions of good faith, please fuck off into the sun.

Not rolling over. fuck you, make me.

If a good thing happens for a bad reason, it’s still a good thing.

I really should read my own blog.

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

So many bastards, so little time.

🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

Republicans want to make it harder to vote and easier for them to cheat.

Quote tweet friends, screenshot enemies.

Weird. Rome has an American Pope and America has a Russian President.

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    Don Jr. is gonna OD before Hunter Biden.

    Isn’t Hunter clean now? If so, that’s a low blow for a recovering addict.

  2. 2.

    Martin

    Was reminded of an angle of attack that Harris will avoid. She didn’t seek out nomination – Biden asked her to take over. She’ll largely avoid the ‘too ambitious’ attack that women usually face, as Clinton did.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    @Martin:

    Biden has secretly been manipulated by one or another woman since he was inaugurated, in the right wing alternative reality.  Harris won’t avoid any attack.

  6. 6.

    slightly_peeved

    @Martin:

    Also she wasn’t involved at all in the discussion of whether Biden should step down. I feared the allegations of her knifing Biden if he did, but she’s left no basis for it. Not that that’ll ever stop the Republicans and the FTFNYT, but it helps.

  7. 7.

    Jeffg166

    I saw a comment that said, “god spared Trump to be beaten by a black woman.”

    Does TFG look old? Bigly.

    Old. Tired. Raging. Not playing with a full deck. Sad.

    I used to hope he would just drop dead. Now I want him to live to be humiliated by a loss to Harris.

  9. 9.

    hells littlest angel

    @Baud:If so, that’s a low blow for a recovering addict.

    Yeah, if you get down in the mud, you get dirty. I try to stay on Team Michelle Obama. I try.

  10. 10.

    Jay

    T had her CT scan today, so we will know in the next few days, what stage her Cancer is at, and what the likely treatment plan is. Tomorrow, she flies off to Edmonton to see her parents, her BFF’s Bun and Bob, and her bestie from High School, whom she hasn’t seen in decades.

    I am staying home, plants need to be watered, and I have no love for her parents or them for me.

    While it’s booked as a vacation, it wont be. Too much going on with us, and others.

  11. 11.

    Chief Oshkosh

    Been vacaying in northern Yurp for several days. Although very nice, it’s clear from discussions with various natives that they haven’t economically recovered from covid nearly to the level that the US has.

    I blame Joe. And now, Kamala.

  13. 13.

    WereBear

    @Jeffg166: He’s been sentenced to dementia, which is particularly cruel in this case.

    He has no happy memories to fall back on. But then again, he’s always lied to himself. And he might lose that.

    Before recent developments I was leaning into a mob with pitchforks and torches chasing Trump into a windmill.

  14. 14.

    WereBear

    It has been my experience that even rescue, one of the most selfless hobbies a person can stumble into, has a Trumper segment.

    These are very nice people as long as we talk about rescue subjects, but trying to apply the principles of rescue doesn’t hit at all.

    They never think that if Project 2025 happens nobody is going to have extra money to feed their pets. A lot of people are going to have trouble feeding their children, but that is never their concern.

    Rescue is something they do to feel good about themselves.

    They have gated communities in their minds and this works for neighborliness about the same way gated communities in Florida work: they don’t. The kids don’t even play at each other’s houses, these communities are so paranoid and friendless.

    If that’s the future, I dread everybody doing good things… only as long as it suits them.

  15. 15.

    Geoduck

    Hopefully the Harris campaign will hammer on the Shaitgibbon’s “won’t be any voting in four years” comment, since the media is still gonna sweep that under the rug.

  16. 16.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @WereBear: They never think that if Project 2025 happens nobody is going to have extra money to feed their pets

    Yes, this, exactly how is the economy supposed to work, if the only people who can work are white, heterosexual men over 50?  The place I work we would only have me and two other guys left out of a staff of forty at the site if this nonsense is implemented.

  17. 17.

    Erin

    Full quote from Trump last night: “Get out and vote just this time. You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years it will be fixed. It’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote anymore…In four years you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good your not gonna have to vote.”

  19. 19.

    Tony Jay

    Jeebus Crisco. That’s the first time I’ve ever seen or heard one of the Trumpkin speak (purity of my aural intake must be maintained) and the very first thing that came to mind on witnessing Jr’s twattlerattle was, “Didn’t Hans Grueber already kill him?”

  20. 20.

    WereBear

    @Erin: I don’t think Kamala’s team is going to let a softball pitch like that one go by.

    They have been doing ALL the favorite sports metaphors.

    In a lot of people’s minds… we’re the Cubs.

    But Kamala and her team will get the word out, embarrass the corporate media, and shame them into occasionally committing journalism.

    Apparent flow to more independent media still in progress. A shift is happening.

    And if we win because the opposition could not help making fools of themselves, okay. No one else is bringing that to public attention.

  21. 21.

    Dangerman

    I wouldn’t be shocked if TFG strokes before the election. He was measuring the drapes (for the love if all things decent, I hope he was just measuring the drapes) …

    … but it’s been downhill ever since Couch Tiger, Ticket Draggin was the pick. Saying shit like “last election” won’t help. His brain mighta scrambled a bit from the bullet.

  22. 22.

    WereBear

    Every step the R’s took to make it a cult and not a US political party, they shed people into “Independent.” It’s not noticeable because they still vote R significantly, but I think it’s significant they won’t identify with it so closely.

    In perception studies, the closer a witness is to the person they saw — in terms of age, race, class, gender, etc — the better they can recognize them in distinct ways.

    Seniors see a group of young people and they see a group of old people. There’s not a lot of differentiation going on.

    It’s possible that for people who go by feelings more than facts, having people easy to distinguish might actually make them pay attention.

    The “difference” light in our brains is now lit and working. People are paying attention.

  23. 23.

    WereBear

    @Dangerman: He wasn’t hit by a bullet, but debris, like many people standing around him.

    When that sinks into MAGA “minds” there will be much rending of garments, and not just Hulk Hogan.

    Somehow, this makes a giant difference to them, which is why Trump is lying.

  24. 24.

    Geminid

    @Chief Oshkosh: I think EU countries also lagged the US in their recoveries from the Great Recession. And our recovery then was fairly slow, slower than it would have been had Democrats been able to enact an adequate counter-cyclical spending program.

    As for the Covid recession, Democrats deliberately implemented a program of “trickle-up” spending, first with the $1.9 trillion American Recovery Act. Then we added the Infrastructure, CHIPS and IRA bills.

    Both the ARA and IRA were passed by the Senate with a 50+1 vote. Infrastructure and CHIPS passed with “bipartisan support;” they had to because they did not fall within the Reconciliation rule. Both bills received around 20 Republican votes in the House despite the Minority Leader’s opposition.

    We got our counter-cyclical spending in early and that is how we avoided a recession this year. The last three bills could buoy the economy for the rest of the decade, especially the CHIPS and IRA bills.

    Those two are not spending bills so much as investment incentive bills, and are projected to spur trillions of dollars in private investment. That is one reason I believe that if we can hold the White House and retake the House of Representatives this November, we’ll hold them through the next 10 years.

  25. 25.

    Geminid

    @WereBear: I think I saw this in Virginia’s Republican party over the the last 20 years; that is, the alienation of moderates and moderate conservatives. Bushes stupid Iraq War started the defections and Trump triggered the latest round.

  28. 28.

    karen gail

    I should hope that there are a large number of older women out there sitting quietly, waiting; we remember the 50’s, we remember before Roe V Wade, we remember not being able to get credit, we remember and I/we don’t want our granddaughters, great granddaughters to fight the same fights we fought. Yes, we won but the GOP is bent on taking it all away; we don’t want women to call the police for abuse and be told not their problem because a man can do anything to wife.
    I made one of those calls and was told until he killed her the police couldn’t do anything.
    This is the world the GOP is working to bring back, a world of abuse if you weren’t white man; I am old enough and I remember what it was like, I lived in that world I don’t want anyone to live in that world and more than anything I would do anything to stop my granddaughter and great granddaughters from having to live in that world.

  29. 29.

    MagdaInBlack

    I’m listening to Hal Sparks listen to j.d’s interview on Megan Kelly. All I can say is that Vance is one profoundly fucked up man

    Eta: I think he lies every bit as often as trump, ffs.

  30. 30.

    WereBear

    @Geminid: Bushes stupid Iraq War started the defections and Trump triggered the latest round.

    Exactly. Twenty years of attrition they made up for with cheating. Two decades replacing their skimpy bench with stunts to keep the crowds tossing coins.

    The RNC convention reeked of flop sweat. They didn’t even get a bump in the skeevy polls

    Turns out every delegate got a copy of Project 2025 in their swag bag.

  33. 33.

    WereBear

    @karen gail: Like you, I hope there are plenty of them.

    But a recent discussion thread covered the fact that teachers, who have a union, are 40% Trump supporters.

    It’s like finding a Trumpy in rescue. They are nice, they donate and volunteer… but then you discover it’s not about the cats.

    It’s about them.

    And smart organizations try to keep them gated out of tricky situations. Because they will do the wrong thing, they won’t think the way they need to.

  35. 35.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Chief Oshkosh: We were in Dublin a year ago. While there were some popular tourist locations that had good sized crowds, there were other sad things like an outdoor marketplace that had only one vendor. We had fond memories of that bustling market.

  38. 38.

    MagdaInBlack

    @WereBear: Hal’s mockery of them all has kept me going for a long time. It’s why I’m all for the ” what a bunch of flippin’ weirdo’s” angle

    Eta: the way he dismantles their bs is a thing of beauty.

  40. 40.

    rikyrah

    The only qualification Vance had were the checks that came with him;

    Thiel and Musk

     

    Stop blaming the idiot sons, when it Was greed that got Vance picked.😒😒

  41. 41.

    Barbara

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: It’s the last day of my two-week sojourn to Northern Europe, starting in Amsterdam and ending in Reykjavik, with Norway in between. It’s hard to infer much from such limited personal experience, but there are a lot of crowds nearly everywhere we’ve been. We have also seen more “transitional” parts of towns, where businesses have closed, and housing is an issue in every city we’ve been to as well. Also, places like Iceland clearly have more foreign born workers than the last time I visited.​

  45. 45.

    WereBear

    @NotMax: Oh, it’s good… at first.

    Some of us can project into the future longer than three weeks. If you reach adulthood and you still can’t… you are trapped in whatever made you that way.

    That’s what we are fighting. People who have been so conforming and so guided they can’t do anything else but what they are told.

  46. 46.

    Princess

    Took a little foray into MAGA meme world this morning. They’re not bringing their a-game this time round, at least not so far. They’re going with “I’m voting for the felon” which I don’t think will have the appeal to normies and independents they need.

  48. 48.

    WereBear

    @Princess: Laws, I hope so. Crikey.

    I think if anyone wants to get on their high horse and ride out of TrumpTown with righteous indignation, his Worst Veep Choice in American History is going to be their excuse.

    He’s humiliating them. That’s the unforgivable sin.

  50. 50.

    danielx

    @Baud:

    Mentally preparing for the tidal wave of racism and misogyny that Harris will face, dwarfing even that faced by Hillary Clinton.

    It truly amazes me how threatened some people are by smart, accomplished women.

  51. 51.

    WereBear

    The best part of this Vance Arc is how they still don’t do vetting on anybody.

    And a high school student could have done Vance, in a few hours, for a free lunch.

  52. 52.

    WereBear

    @danielx: It truly amazes me how threatened some people are by smart, accomplished women.

    The WereBear Story.

    And I’m not that globally accomplished :)

    But it explains why I refuse to date in red states.

  53. 53.

    Trivia Man

    Idea: tik tok reel with kh and tcfg dancing side by side. Joy vs that weird ymca shuffle thing.

  54. 54.

    Mousebumples

    Anthony Scaramucci (@Scaramucci) posted at 3:08 PM on Fri, Jul 26, 2024:

    I just want to personally thank  @JDVance for knocking me out of the position of the worst Donald Trump hire. I didn’t think it would happen but here we are and I am grateful. 🙏

    (https://x.com/Scaramucci/status/1816928720894169307?s=03)

    Apologies for the tweet link, but the bsky reference I saw to this was a screenshot without alt text.

  56. 56.

    Trivia Man

    @Trivia Man: I then no he enjoys dancing at rallies, basking in the warm glow if adoration. Make him worry about how he looks, make him force it to prove he can still do it.

  57. 57.

    TBone

    @Trivia Man: I saw one yesterday of Kamala dancing posted by the opposition.  In reality on planet Earth, it simply made her look cool 😎 and happy, and served as proof that RWNJs cannot recognize those characteristics in human beings.

  59. 59.

    TBone

    @Lily: yours in service,

    TBone

    💙

    I particularly liked

    I think we can all agree…it fucking sucks there. Traffic’s lousy, you can’t get decent pizza, and the less said about the water, the better. On second thought, let’s not go there. ‘Tis a silly place.

  60. 60.

    MagdaInBlack

    @TBone: Oh, they recognize those characteristics, they just hate them because they don’t have them.

    As always, they cannot stand to see anyone enjoy themselves.

    Who are the real miserable ones ? 😉

  61. 61.

    WereBear

    @TBone: They only care what it does to the Base, the cultists.

    The weirdos.

    This is what I watch the Gemstones show for. The entire world is counting on us to do the right thing in November.

    MAGA are the mindless hordes all those movies warned us about. We got us a real GD Jungian Zombies THING.

    Think of what they yell. It’s about what they lack.

  62. 62.

    Bugboy

    Republican’ts select lickspittle VP’s worthless for succession purposes, the main reason the VP exists in the first place.  They cannot grok that the Democratic Party would have a fully capable presidential candidate BACKUP ready to go, because that’s the very GD purpose of having a VP.  Democrats do not elect lickspittle VP’s, and never have.  We had SOME Democrats that did not get this, but I had faith that Biden did.  I don’t know about you, but I sat up and noticed how he picked one of the meanest fighters of the bunch to be his VP.  SAY IT IS SO, JOE!

  63. 63.

    Suzanne

    @Princess: Agree.

    I think we’re underestimating the power of good memes. This whole couch-fucker thing is obviously not real, but the sense that Vance is just kind of icky and weird is accurate! And they get shared so fast, and for free! And they’re often really funny! The campaigns that use them well, even if they’re just picking up on unofficial stuff….. that’s a sign of having smart people working for you, I think.

  64. 64.

    WereBear

    I see the guided missile quality of Vance’s particular deficits. Our facts can rain down on the MAGAs and they laugh and dance around the drops.

    They run on their feelings. And they never liked Vance. Who on earth thought they would? People who have no feelings, and don’t get the signal from their nervous system to smile, leave the area, and block the host’s number.

  65. 65.

    TBone

    @MagdaInBlack:

    @WereBear:

    In the two videos that were posted trying hard to make fetch happen be insulting, it was obvious that what really, truly upset the poster was the type of music Kamala was jamming to as well as her hip hop moves. It’s always racism.

  66. 66.

    Suzanne

    @TBone:

    I saw one yesterday of Kamala dancing posted by the opposition.  In reality on planet Earth, it simply made her look cool 😎 and happy 

    Remember when the GOP tried to dunk on Beto O’Rourke for skateboarding, and instead everyone was like, “Um, he looks cool as hell, and fun, and hot”? They did something similar with AOC and an old video of her dancing in college. Like….. y’all. She’s beautiful and fun and the only reason y’all find that scandalous is because you’re repressed and awkward.

  67. 67.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Suzanne: that’s a sign of having smart people working for you, I think.

    Smart people with really strong stomachs. Myself, I’d slit my wrists after paying attention to the assholes for a 1/2 hour.

  69. 69.

    p.a.

    From my Common Cause email:

    … I have great news: President Biden has just taken a crucial step towards firing Trump administration holdover and Republican megadonor Louis DeJoy as Postmaster General. [1]

    By nominating former Rep. Val Demings as the final member of the USPS Board of Governors (as well as another pending nominee) required to get rid of DeJoy, President Biden is showing he’s heard what you and thousands of others across the country have demanded – that he take bold action to save our Postal Service.

    As you know, the current Postmaster General, Louis DeJoy, has a history of undermining vote-by-mail and the USPS at every turn. That’s why, since Biden took office, we’ve been urging him to fill vacancies on the Board of Governors needed to remove DeJoy – since the president can’t fire him on his own.

    Thanks to your action, the President finally has put forward the nominees who can get rid of DeJoy.

    We took on this fight knowing it was an uphill battle – with DeJoy hoping to steal away our right to vote by mail without us noticing. But now, our collective action and persistence have finally paid off.

    Not only have we forced DeJoy to postpone his attacks on vote-by-mail until after the 2024 election [2] – but now, if the Senate confirms Demings to the USPS Board of Governors, he could be out of a job entirely!

    With this step forward, we have the momentum to guarantee that our USPS will be safe from DeJoy’s schemes for good. And I’ll be in touch soon with updates about the confirmation process – because we’ll need your help to urge the Senate to take swift action to save our Postal Service.

  70. 70.

    Trivia Man

    @Bugboy: Iistened the excellent History of Rome podcast. About 200 episodes and a major take away is: choose a competent successor BEFORE you die. The sheer number of chaotic transitions was amazing. So much death and stymied progress.

    If your main criteria is “cant empower a possible rival”, you’re gonna have a bad time.

  76. 76.

    WereBear

    Another reminder of the channel (Podcast and Youtube to my knowledge) Shrinking Trump.

    When I was a child, and a group of prominent psychiatrists tried to get out a message of Presidential fitness, they would have made a dent. Something would have happened, because something should.

    This is part of the Duty to Warn group, which I have followed from the beginning. They were doing their job.

    Our corporate media is STILL not doing theirs.

  77. 77.

    MagdaInBlack

    @TBone: Ok, I guess I did recognize that when I saw it. I went with the lofty explanation when your simple one works best.

  78. 78.

    TBone

    @Princess: I fucking love Dark Brandon SO much and cannot wait to behold his antics over the next six months!  LET ‘ER RIP!!!

    I’m certain he’ll be an advisor for as long as possible, also too!

  79. 79.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Trivia Man: I do wonder if this is going to be seen as a one-off engendered by unusual circumstances, or if it’ll change the behavior of incumbent Presidents when they’re not running again. In 2016, Barack Obama was very careful not to endorse a primary candidate before the Democratic convention, or at least before the nominee was a completely foregone conclusion. He was following modern tradition for a second-term incumbent President. But I remember it leading to a perception that he was cool on Hillary Clinton as a candidate and maybe even preferred someone else (VP Biden was not running).

  81. 81.

    ssdd

    If you think Trump looks exhausted and angry now, just wait a few weeks. Harris will be hitting rallies and events practically every day. There’s no way he can pace her. But he will wear himself out trying because he can’t stand to not be the center of attention.

  82. 82.

    MomSense

    @Suzanne:

    My mom has been enjoying the memes and said “people are having fun again”.  She had a very successful career and I think aside from being wicked smart, she made work fun.  Her laugh is even bigger and more outrageous than Kamala’s.  My oldest is really pleased about Kamala and said that she comes across as a joyful warrior.  It’s good energy and obviously has fired up Democrats.  My middle son said that in 2016 the country took a sharp reality shift into a very dark place and that Kamala signals a turn back into a better reality.  His wife has loved the Kamala memes for years because they are so fun and sometimes silly.  They actually watched her rally speech and fell in love.  Also, the population is changing.  My DIL is half Korean.  When they married they incorporated traditions from all sides into the ceremony.  Their friends are diverse, they had men and women their bridal party – if you thought all the women were in the bride’s party you would have been wrong.  And this is how the millenial and zoomers are.  The worse the attacks on Kamala are, the more creative and mocking the response will be.

    I laughed my ass off when I saw the Ikea “notfurfucken” couch with chaise.  Instructions not included!  Vance is toast.  They cannot match the creativity and fun of the youngs.

  83. 83.

    Suzanne

    @OzarkHillbilly: Oh, absolutely. But, like, that’s what media people do.

    One thing that always makes me shake my head, especially having worked in advertising early in my career…. I’ll read these snarky comments, usually from older people, about “the intern who runs the social media page”. My guy. Advertising, PR, social media…. that is all high-priced shit. There is a strategy there. There is data and analytics.

  86. 86.

    Suzanne

    @MomSense: Oh agreed, absolutely. This is Spawn the Elder’s first presidential election! He is excited to vote for Kamala (was going to vote for Joe, but is honestly thrilled that he dropped out). Our text chain for the last week has been hilarious.

    I’ve been sharing some of the couch memes with SuzMom. Rolling with laughter. Make my enemies ridiculous, indeed.

  87. 87.

    TBone

    @WereBear: I remember that Presidential Fitness campaign very well – in our elementary school, everyone participated.  I sucked at pullups but gave it all my best effort!

  89. 89.

    Bugboy

    @Trivia Man: Oh I am absolutely a student of history, something I try to use in an effort to penetrate the MAGA fog in my staff.  Some success there, but like Dark Brandon, I know this could be a generations long project here.  But as for Rome, part of that history involves the fact that Rome sat on a swamp, and when invading armies came a-knocking, the “bad air” would defend the city.  A.K.A., “Malaria”…

  92. 92.

    Geminid

    I was checking out the Times of Israel and saw this headline:

    Poll gives Kamala Harris slight lead over Trump in head-to-head race.

    US VP’s 44% national support to GOP nominee’s 42% is within margin of error, but she opens up.a bigger gap over him in a three-way race.

    The TOI is citing a Reuters/Ipso poll.

    Besides reports on the fighting in Gaza and up north with Hezbollah, there were articles about the Israeli Olympic team. Israeli female judokas qualified in all seven weight categories, something that only Japan and Italy also managed.

    There was also a story on Thursday’s White House meeting between Israeli hostage families, President Biden and the Israeli PM:

       The families read aloud a prayer urging Israeli leaders to “accept responsible proposals” for a ceasefire at the end of their meeting with Prime Minister Netanyahu and US President Biden at the White House on Thursday, participants told the Times of Israel.

    The prayer reads:

       “May it be Your will, Lord our G-d and G-d of our forefathers, that you send your Light and Truth to the Prime Minister, ministers and advisors of the government of the State of Israel, and guide them with good counsel.

    Enlighten their eyes to accept responsible proposals placed before them in order to bring about the release of our loved that are hostages. Father, our King, help us to bring our captives from darkness to light, so that we may be crowned with the crown of victory and life, and let us say: Amen.”

  93. 93.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Geminid: It had been too painful to look at polls up to now, but I’m belatedly doing it. All it’s really possible to say right now is that it’s close–it’s suddenly become close. That may be all we can ever really say.

    Unsurprisingly, the polls with the biggest Republican house leans are really flooding the zone. The most prolific one is, a bit ironically, HarrisX (I remember them from 2016 and 2020).

  94. 94.

    Scout211

    Don’t you think that Trump looks . . .tired?

    Why yes, yes I do.  Just look at this tired old man in this photo:

    Trump meets with Netanyahu

    Did he just roll out of bed and forget his makeup and hair coloring?

  95. 95.

    Liminal Owl

    @Jay: Jay, I’m so sorry you and T are facing this. Sending what positive energy I can, and best wishes.

  96. 96.

    WereBear

    @Scout211: I’ve been noticing his hair game slipping.

    And I’m sure he’s always done it in private and he has no backup if he can no longer perform the mystic passes that gets it all locked in place.

    This is a three level combover. Trump might be the only Master left in this dark art.

  97. 97.

    Gvg

    @Martin: you are thinking fairly and logically. Forget that. It might take a few weeks though. The attacks against Hillary and other women for too much ambition have almost never made sense or been fair. And they haven’t been received in peoples guts fairly either.

    Also the longer they go on, the more low information voters and young not yet voters assume they are true.

    I found out that liberals who were too young to watch the start of the Hillary attacks but grew up with them everywhere “knew that she was corrupt” without examining the facts, but where much more aware of the background of smears that started and happened to newer politicians after they got older. They could be very aware of how rumors worked and the need to know sources reputations and biases, but completely miss that it had been going on all along.

  98. 98.

    Ken

    I see Dana Houle is using “morons Uday & Qusay” without crediting Balloon Juice. Still, it’s good to see some people putting it out there.

  99. 99.

    Ken

    @WereBear: Before recent developments I was leaning into a mob with pitchforks and torches chasing Trump into a windmill.

    Delightfully ironic, given his hatred/fear of the things.

    (Windmills, not pitchforks and torches, although he may have weird ideas about them for all I know. The shark thing came out of nowhere, after all.)

  100. 100.

    Ken

    @WereBear: And a high school student could have done Vance, in a few hours, for a free lunch.

    Phrasing!  We haven’t heard any rumors involving that about Vance.

    Though I’ll add “yet”, because Vance reminds me of Matt Gaetz in ways I can’t quite place, and of course was picked by Donald “Epstein who?” Trump.

  101. 101.

    Chris Johnson

    @Geoduck: I mean, my take on ‘there won’t be any voting in four years’ is YES THERE FUCKING WILL BE.

    Full stop. Fuck you that’s why. Yes there fucking will be. This is not a discussion.

  103. 103.

    Albatrossity

    Not sure if CouchHumper Vance is the most pro-Putin stooge in the Senate. There are a lot of contenders, starting with two whose combined IQ doesn’t rise above that of a turnip — Ron Johnson and Tommy Tuberville.

  104. 104.

    EarthWindFire

    @Baud: So when they said Obama was really running the country, they meant Michelle? Damn, she’s done a good job.

  107. 107.

    Hoodie

    @Ken: After the Vance debacle I’m inclined to refer to them as Kendall and Roman. This thing plays like a Succession episode. I guess Vance is Tom Wambsgans except he’s in an open marriage with a couch.

  109. 109.

    brantl

    Why the hell is everybody surprised that one unlikeable pervert picked another unlikeable pervert? Seriously?

  111. 111.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Suzanne: Just to be the wet blanket… I don’t mind “going low” or dirty jokes, but I hate that this one is all based on a hoax. It’s not an obvious joke, either, since a lot of people were taking the “first edition had the quote” story as real.

    I don’t want to give any energy to hoaxes, even if they’re attacking people I hate. Go as low as you want but don’t lie.

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    Jack the Cold Warrior

    Anne, Love the DR Who reference in your header, “Don’t you think Trump (the Prime Minister) looks tired?”

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