Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

This blog will pay for itself.

Dumb motherfuckers cannot understand a consequence that most 4 year olds have fully sorted out.

You come for women, you’re gonna get your ass kicked.

It’s easy to sit in safety and prescribe what other people should be doing.

the 10% who apparently lack object permanence

This must be what justice looks like, not vengeful, just peaceful exuberance.

The desire to stay informed is directly at odds with the need to not be constantly enraged.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

Tide comes in. Tide goes out. You can’t explain that.

Cancel the cowardly Times and Post and set up an equivalent monthly donation to ProPublica.

I desperately hope that, yet again, i am wrong.

How stupid are these people?

The “burn-it-down” people are good with that until they become part of the kindling.

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

The fight for our country is always worth it. ~Kamala Harris

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

When do we start airlifting the women and children out of Texas?

Never give a known liar the benefit of the doubt.

President Musk and Trump are both poorly raised, coddled 8 year old boys.

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

I’m starting to think Jesus may have made a mistake saving people with no questions asked.

Relentless negativity is not a sign that you are more realistic.

America is going up in flames. The NYTimes fawns over MAGA celebrities. No longer a real newspaper.

In my day, never was longer.

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  2. 2.

    Karen S.

    Good morning, everyone!

    I’m all in for Kamala Harris. When we do our budget for August, my wife and I are going to allot some money for donations to the campaign and Higher Heights. I’m also volunteering for the Democratic National Convention in Chicago next month, the first time I’ve volunteered for anything like it. It should be interesting, to say the least.

  3. 3.

    EarthWindFire

    Dear Gabriel Sterling,

    That’s not the flex you think it is.

    Sincerely, America

  4. 4.

    Kay

    @Karen S.:

    Good for you. It’ll be fun. There’s a ton of national Democratic politicians at the convention so you’ll have that odd experience of seeing someone in person who you have only seen on television over and over and over. They’re all in one place :)

  6. 6.

    SFAW

    Yet another reason to hate the FTFTFNYT: In an instance of something I expect would prompt SubaruDianne to shake her head: one of the “headlines” on the FTFTFNYT website starts out with “Racked by Pain, … ” It’s a story about a RWMF/MAGAt and the “miracle cure” he found.

    [NB: In case it wasn’t obvious: I was highlighting that the phrase should be “Wracked by Pain …”]

  7. 7.

    Kay

    I’m just not sympathetic to the claims that people are misunderstanding Donald Trump, given that JD Vance and Donald Trump say every single day that Democrats support post birth abortion with no pushback, at all, from media. JD Vance has been saying for a week that Harris opposes the expansion of the child tax credit. This is a lie. No one has called him on it. The incessant lying is finally boomeranging on them? Boo fucking hoo.

  8. 8.

    Eyeroller

    I’m not trying to be a killjoy but how is it nobody remembers that there were pretty big golf-cart parades for Biden in 2020 in The Villages and it didn’t mean a damned thing for The Villages as a whole, much less Florida.  That was mostly in October of 2020, however, so at least this is getting going earlier.

    I’m actually a bit more optimistic about Texas than about Florida this cycle.  Texas is always the big fish that just barely got away.

    With regard to the latest atrocity, I am so tired of all the Trump Whisperers trying to “explain” what he “really means” or didn’t mean.  Why not take him literally for a change?

  10. 10.

    Kay

    Voto Latino has a bad reputation among organizers. Supposedly the CEO is toxic and they have a ton of turnover and they’re not effective. I would be interested if they could verify that voter reg number that is all over Twitter. They’re really not known for registering voters. No one really knows what they do other than appear on MSNBC.

  12. 12.

    Starfish

    Rikriyah put up this fundraiser for a friend who is having health issues sometime during the week. I asked if she could put it back up on the weekend, and I don’t know if she did so I am putting it up. This type of fundraiser drives me crazy because the dollar amount is fairly low, but it is not quite met. Can anyone help out here?

    Someone also suggested this song for everyone to listen to while you are participating in your organizing activities, and it meets the moment.

  13. 13.

    SFAW

    @Eyeroller:

    No idea. I don’t have a subscription, and I only click on the (free) games. But the headline kinda jumped out at me. Literally. [Threw that in just to annoy Steve in the ATL.]

  14. 14.

    dmsilev

    @Kay: Yeah, anyone whose instinct is to give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt on something he says is either a Trump supporter or naive to the pint that newborn infants are shaking their heads at how silly that person is.

    Or both.

  15. 15.

    Expletive Deleted

    Yup, the women who experienced decades of Hillary attacks and have sat through *years* of people nodding along to “of course America wont elect a woman” in spite of her literally getting millions more votes that TFG, we are ready for Kamala.

  16. 16.

    Tony Jay

    Ah, now, I was thinking just this morning while brushing my teeth (many times, extended family get together in Town, Australians, beer, bleaugh) that the very excitement and positivity around the Harris Campaign is going to have the Heritage Media fuming, and they’ll be up there in their corner offices brainstorming over what Narrative will best undermine Democratic chances and aid Stench and the Party of Hench.

    One of the nasty ideas I came up with was pushing the idea that voting Kamala = Taking revenge on America for rejecting Hillary Clinton. They haven’t had 20+ years to shitty up Kamala, so the next best thing in their eyes would be to report on her through. Clinton 2.0 lens. After all, if Kamala isn’t out to redo 2016, doesn’t that mean she’s rejecting Hillary’s legacy? Wedges and smears and just asking questions, etc.

    They’re also almost certainly working on a Narrative about Democratic overconfidence and how they’re taking the whole thing for granted. They’ll want to move the lens away from how Stench fucked up with Vance when he really needed a VP who could project a false facade of normality to the norms, especially now that his age and general physical unfitness for office is going to become a loud contrast thing, and J. D. Vance is the back-up plan? He’ll no! So spinning it around to claim that Harris and Co are taking the votes of Americans as their rightful due and being arrogant, that’ll be their line going forward.

    Plus, of course, lots of ink spilled on the idea that Democrat Elites forced Kamala down the throats of a Party that desperately needed to hash things out at the Convention and she’s UNVETTED. Remember how only the Heritage Media had the right to decide if Biden had the right stuff to deserve another 4 years? Expect that dialled up to 11. Kamala Harris is a mystery to most Americans, it’s the duty and responsibility of the likes of the FTFNYT to tear down the curtains and show America who she really is, etc.

    It’ll get ugly, because ugly is all they got.

  17. 17.

    JML

    The “Kamala is their revenge” bit feels a bit off to me. It suggests that liberal boomer women intended this, and I’m not feeling that. Do I think they find Kamala inspiring and want to work for her? You betcha.

    Here’s the other bit: I think there are also boomer women who feel like they let Hillary down and didn’t do enough for her. Because it was Hillary, who struggled with “likability”, was treated horribly by the press, didn’t have the same level of devotion, and got beat and blamed. (anecdotally, I’ve heard and seen this)

    I hope women totally dominate the vote.

  21. 21.

    Kay

    I am (somewhat) sympathetic to Vance for the truncated quote that is being used to indicate that he didn’t defend his wife from racists. I think it’s clear in the longer quote that he did defend his wife. I just don’t think we have to invent quotes. He’s a charmless lump who lies constantly. Nothing to do with his wife.

  22. 22.

    sixthdoctor

    Some white guys I’d like to see in the White Dudes for Harris zoom tomorrow in order of how much I think they should be there…

    Stephen King – Called for Joe to drop out publicly.

    Rob Reiner – Called for Joe to drop out with about 100 times more vitriol than Steve.

    Bernie Sanders – Not that I’d like to see him but Christ man get with the program. The hell is wrong with him? OK I know what’s wrong with him…

    And just a couple more thoughts, how friggin awesome would it be if Joe himself showed up?

    Oh, and Gojira should kick it off with a repeat of their Olympic performance.

  25. 25.

    SFAW

    @Tony Jay:

    They haven’t had 20+ years to shitty up Kamala, so the next best thing in their eyes would be to report on her through  Clinton 2.0 lens.

    Even as we speak, Mike Johnson is asking Gomer Comer to start an investigation into MVP’s part in spreading COVID, killing Gazans with her bare hands, and the disappearance of Judge Crater.

  26. 26.

    Expletive Deleted

    @JML: I think it is a bit all of the above. Young people genuinely excited, middle aged women pissed at the betrayal of our progress, older women who have Seen Some Shit.

    Something something context in which you live and what came before you.

  27. 27.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @SFAW:

    Quite right. I do spend an inordinate amount of time shaking my head. Had not seen this one, but smh now.

  29. 29.

    WereBear

    My favorite café was semi-crowded but I was seated in a remote corner under an open window.

    Twice now people have asked why I’m so happy, I smile at them and say I’m a Democrat.

    Because we’re a blue dot in a red area. So when we do a happy dance together, no else knows why.

  30. 30.

    Kay

    @dmsilev:

    I’m just not bending over backward to parse his speeches. It’s not my job to clean up his tiny vocabularly and ridiculous way of speaking where he can’t describe anything because he uses the same 300 words over and over.

    I’ll do it if it’s reciprocal. If one person in political media will call out the post birth lie.

    We have an entire newspaper team to clean up Donald Trump’s rambling nonsense in the US and present it in the best possible light – his hometown paper and biggest fans, the NYTimes. They’re paid for that work. I’m not.

  31. 31.

    Jeffg166

    @Eyeroller:

    It’s four years later. Desantis hasn’t found an insurance company to cover their homes being destroyed in a hurricane. Both legal weed and abortion are on the ballet. Kamala might just flip Florida with turnout. It could happen. It will be very close.

  32. 32.

    SFAW

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I’m assuming my grammatical knowledge is a poor second to yours, but that one was pretty bad. I expect numbskullery like that from NewsMax et al., not from The Paper of Record.

  33. 33.

    BR

    @Kay:

    I have no sympathy for her. She’s like him. She was as recently as a year or two ago writing to friends about how much she hates Trump and MAGA and now is happy to be their mouthpiece for the DEI attacks because they need someone who looks like her to be a shield as they are racist.

  34. 34.

    Karen S.

    @Kay: I hadn’t thought about that aspect of it, other than seeing Kamala and Joe. That will be fun!

  35. 35.

    Splitting Image

    @Tony Jay:

    It’ll get ugly, because ugly is all they got.

    I’m fond of how the Wall Street Journal handled it. They went straight from arguing that Harris was the right candidate to arguing that she was the wrong candidate. And all it took was her getting the job.

    Oceania press couldn’t have done it better.

  36. 36.

    Kay

    @BR:

    I don’t. Ohio is bad for Latino politics because we have a relatively small Latino population. I think Chicago is probably a sleeper in that category. I don’t think people recognize how important Latinos are in Chicago politics now. I would look there, see if they have any orgs that are or could be national.

  38. 38.

    SFAW

    @Kay:

    Are you still in Ohio? For some reason, I thought you had moved to (???) some months ago, but now I’m unsure.

  39. 39.

    piratedan

    starting to see dark money anti-Kamala ads here in the desert southwest during Olympics viewing.

    The tack here in 30 seconds scary imagery is that Biden placed Harris in charge of the border and her response has been “disasterous”.

    so, going after low information voters with fear factor..  Looks like the same MO, with ads likely updated to substitute Harris for Biden (i.e. the time was already bought, just a swap out on the name of the target).  The plan must be to sell fear again (in those places where those issues “work”) on the issue of their choosing, placing the blame on a failed policy that they refused to fix.  Don’t expect much in the way of context from these ads, but I do wonder if a response ad showing that the DJT scuttled bipartisan immigration reform might work in that the GOP really doesn’t care about the border, they just want an issue to use.

  40. 40.

    Kay

    @Karen S.:

    Find out the hotel where your state delegation is staying (each state stays together) All your state pols will be there, holding court in the lobby. You can just go and mingle like you’re staying there.

    My husband and I got into an elevator at the Ohio delegation hotel and there was an expensively dressed woman on there. My husband said “hi, are you a delegate?” and she said rather sternly “no, I’m a donor“. We rode the rest of the way in silence. You just have to sort of roll with it. Anderson Cooper is better looking in person than on tv – turns out that is possible.

  42. 42.

    RaflW

    That video from the Villages is wild. I had heard that FL might be in play this November. I was highly dubious, but now less so.

    I don’t think we should do an McGrath/McConnell and go all overboard when there are a lot of competitive races coast-to-coast to fight. But this year feels like one where long-stuck places like Florida could get some Democratic mojo back. It’s a state party that, from what I understand, has been a mess for years.

    I hope the little I’ve heard about Nikki Fried is true, that she’s doing good work!

  43. 43.

    noncarborundum

    @SFAW: “Racked” is actually correct in that context.  It comes from the use of the rack as a torture device. You can look it up.

  45. 45.

    cmorenc

    @Eyeroller:

    I’m actually a bit more optimistic about Texas than about Florida this cycle.  Texas is always the big fish that just barely got away.

    North Carolina is the other perpetual heartbreaker where in Presidential elections, we are always 1 to 2% away from turning the state blue.  A big factor in that is that the influx of red-leaning retirees from northern states to e.g. coastal Brunswick County so far almost exactly counter-balances the influx of blue-leaning younger voters in tech industries in more urban areas.  And like elsewhere, the small towns away from more urban areas are full of the same sort of redneck yahoos who turned out for Jesse Helms 30 years ago and Donald Trump today – they live in a closed epistological Fox-addled loop and reinforce each other on Facebook.  I grew up in one of these small eastern NC towns, and have known ’em close-up all my life., though I’ve long since moved to the Raleigh-Durham area (blue).

  46. 46.

    rikyrah

    @Tony Jay:

    There is an entire group that has been defending Kamala Harris for 5 years now.

     

    The thing is they have been heartened by all the youth that have caught on to the disinformation about Kamala and have stepped up.

    Then there are those Hillary supporters who were bullied in 2016, who have stepped up and said not again.

    The lies from the MSM will come…we know..it is absolutely expected.

  47. 47.

    Kay

    @SFAW:

    I’m still an Ohio resident. We’ve always had a Michigan house and we’re sort of gradually retiring and moving there. I have 15 more months – I don’t think my husband will actually retire. He may! I just don’t believe him. Which is fine. We’ll figure it out. I want to see more of our grandchildren – serious time, like months of every year – and he can join me when he can. We’ve been married a long time and we’re both really independent people.

    But that’s the situation. We’ll be Michigan residents in a year and change.

  48. 48.

    Expletive Deleted

    @JML: Yeah, revenge is not the right word and definitely not how I was thinking of it myself.

    From where I sit it looks more like “not this time motherfuckers” meets “fuck yeah, about time” maybe?

  50. 50.

    Starfish

    @BR: There are probably some state specific ones. CLLARO did a good job here in Colorado with Latino interests in redistricting. They are not a GOTV organization.

    They did recommend Colorado Latinos Vote in their directory, and they explain to you what they are looking for in orgs that they put in their directory.

    It looks like they want people to be associated with UnidosUS in Washington, DC.

    Is the United Farm Workers of America putting anything together for GOTV?

  51. 51.

    SFAW

    @noncarborundum:

    Yes, I know what a rack is. Although “wracked” is described (by Merriam-Webster, for example) as a “variant” of “racked,” its usage has been far more frequent than “racked.” But, that’s only over the last, oh I don’t know, 50-or-so years, so I’m undoubtedly worng.

  52. 52.

    Geminid

    @Kay: One dignificant demographic shift in the electorate between 2012 and 2020 was that Hispanic vote-share increased from 10% in 2012 to 13% in 2020: an increase of 30% in 8 years.

    According to Wikipedia’s article, Hispanic women accounted for 8% of 2020 voters while Hispanic men accounted for 5%.

    Looking at the numbers for the 1976 election between Carter and Ford: back then Hispanic voters accounted for only 2% of the electorate.

  53. 53.

    NorthLeft

    Why anyone would give Deadbeat Donald the benefit of the doubt by now is freaking incomprehensible to me.

    He means exactly what he says…which is exactly why MAGAts love him so much.

  54. 54.

    Anyway

    I saw my first anti-KH ad last night. It was — how many ways can we say “Liberal” and “San Francisco” in 30 seconds. They even threw in a bonus pic of KH and Nancy Smash together. It didn’t seem that different than “illegal hordes are flooding the country” ads that are constantly seen during Phillies games.

  55. 55.

    SFAW

    @Kay: ​
     
    Got it, thanks.
    I just hope I don’t keep asking you this. [For what I hope are obvious reasons, since I’m an Old.]

  56. 56.

    Barbara

    @Kay: ​He really did say that she obviously wasn’t white in juxtaposition with her good qualities even if the quote is being truncated. There are so many better ways to address this, like, “when I see Usha I see a woman I love, not her race or skin color.” He put his response in terms of her skin tone. It was jarring.​

  57. 57.

    SatanicPanic

    My wife who previously thought we were going to lose and who accurately predicted a Trump win in 2016, is now convinced Kamala Harris is going to win. She said “I think I love her”. Fingers crossed my wife is right again.

    In the time we’ve been married she’s been more right than Alan Lichtman.

  58. 58.

    SFAW

    @Anyway:

    “illegal hordes are flooding the country” ads that are constantly seen during Phillies games.

    Which is sort of ironic, because the rest of the country — well, the rational parts, I guess — fear an invasion of Phillies fans more than they do “illegal hordes.”

  59. 59.

    RaflW

    I am loving that Harris & Dems are running as the party of freedom.

    When you see that people under 30 have to show ID to enter a public library in Idaho, one begins to realize just how terribly pinched, controlled and pushed around everyone would be under Republican rule.

    Of course on the huge issues, like abortion, birth control, gender care, and the right to vote, the GOP is anti-freedom. But they reach down into such minute levels of intrusion. I don’t have a strong feel one way or the other on Walz as Veep, but he’s damn right when he says “Mind your own business.” Get outta mine, thank you!

  62. 62.

    Mousebumples

    @piratedan: seeing the same on Wisconsin.

    Also Hovde has an ad about “we need to fix X and Y and Z” with zero solutions offered and generic athletes in the background.

    I am not persuaded but idk if others are as skeptical as me. It’s strangely less anti-Baldwin and more “things are broken, vote for me!”

  63. 63.

    Mousebumples

    @RaflW: I’ve heard FL and TX might be in play. Or maybe just the Senate seats.

    I have no idea, but I’m on board with making MAGA think about redirecting some money from Trump’s pocket to either of those states.

  64. 64.

    MattF

    Whatever Marc Thiessen is claiming (no link) is usually a big clue about the line R party operatives are pushing. Latest is, at first, all over the place, but then goes straight for ‘Harris is a dangerous left-wing radical’.

  65. 65.

    JML

    It’s going to be interesting over the next few weeks to get a good look at what the electoral math looks like post the DNC. Be very exciting if Harris can expand the map, and I’m hopeful that she can. Previously, the GOP was looking at scenarios of winning either PA, 2 of MI, WI, or AZ, or MI & NV…which is a little nervous for Dems.

    But that’s reliant on GA and NC being in the bag for the GOP. Are they?

    FL & TX seem like moonshots still (though if TX flips it could be like CA and be gone for generations and FL is risky to make assumptions about) and sadly SC is still fairly far away.

    But if GA goes for Harris, things get a lot easier for freedom.

  66. 66.

    Belafon

    I think we all have to watch the “I don’t remember X being like this.” There was a lot of excitement with Hillary. Biden was attacking Trump before the debate. In both cases, though, the media found their story to turn things against the candidates. I think people are conflating their feelings of when they had to get defensive with that time.

  67. 67.

    SFAW

    @RaflW:

    When you see that people under 30 have to show ID to enter a public library in Idaho,

    WTF?

    So, I just looked it up. JHC Idaho (or their Lege, I guess) is fucked up. And why are RWMFs always so screwed up regarding anything to do with sex (the alleged reason why the passed that idiotic bill)?

  68. 68.

    Geminid

    @Barbara: There is a lot of “weird shit” going on in right-wing circles about Usha Vance’s ethnic background. I’ve seen Vance defenders claim that Usha clearly has a Macedonian genetic heritage! I was reminded of Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady:

    “And not only that; she is a Princess.”

  69. 69.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    “You won’t have to vote again in four years” quote from Trump. Since Trump is always talking about the one thing in the world he cares about, Trump, it might mean Trump is worried he won’t be around in four years.

    Still, make Trump deny he wants to be dictator. Nothing says strong man like a guy in clown make up.

  71. 71.

    Starfish

    @SatanicPanic: To deal with the book banning attempts, the libraries said “Okay, we are adults only now” so we don’t have to ban whatever book the Christian nutters are pissed off at this week

    Everyone else is being more accurate about this than I am.

  72. 72.

    cmorenc

    @dmsilev:

    @Kay: Yeah, anyone whose instinct is to give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt on something he says is either a Trump supporter or naive to the pint that newborn infants are shaking their heads at how silly that person is.

    Most especially trying to deflect and dilute Trump’s “after 2024 you won’t have to vote again” as having been taken unfairly out of some originally innocent context than the sinister interpretion being given the literal words.  Trump could have easily and simply expressed himself clearly if he had only meant that he’d deliver everything evangelicals wanted in lastingly durable fashion by 2028.  Given his prior speeches and behavior, it’s far more credible that he instead said exactly what he was intending, nothing less, nothing more.

  73. 73.

    SFAW

    @SatanicPanic: ​
     
    Apparently, Idaho passed a law mandating there be an “adults only” section in libraries, where books (etc.) containing “sexual content which might be harmful to children” must be located. One library was so small that creating a separate “safe space” was impossible, so they chose to make it “adults only” for the entire library.
    Pretty fucked up, all in all.

  75. 75.

    hueyplong

    This thread is really making me relive the visceral anger at the success of the 24/7/365/20 campaign against Hillary Clinton, made even more intense by the recency of similar 24/7/365/4 attacks on Joe Biden* and his family.

    Hoping that feeling is so widely shared that it provides an almost unbreakable imperviousness to the coming attacks on Kamala Harris.  Surely living through the Clinton and Biden experiences has made the public less credulous about Harris horrors suddenly discovered by the diligent and good faith actors the public knows Trumpers to be.  Well, at least slightly less credulous.  Well, at least no more credulous.

     

    *Absolutely not attempting to relitigate the Democrats’ actions at the end of that campaign, when its success seemed to have been assured per bad polling numbers.  Merely lamenting the fact that he has been slimed nonstop since the Afghan withdrawal and his remaining son’s gun violation and drug addiction turned from the plead-out anyone else would have experienced into The Crimes of the Century within the nation’s most notorious Crime Family.

  76. 76.

    Tony Jay

    @Geminid:

      I’ve seen Vance defenders claim that Usha clearly has a Macedonian genetic heritage!

    That is just choice. “She’s not one of ‘Those People’, she’s a descendent of Alexander’s Achaean pure bloods! Like that blue eyed babe Danny Dravot was going to marry until Michael Caine messed it up.”.

    They’re just a bunch of  Mirror Universe Historical-Fantasy arseholes.

  78. 78.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Kay: ​
     

    My husband and I got into an elevator at the Ohio delegation hotel and there was an expensively dressed woman on there. My husband said “hi, are you a delegate?” and she said rather sternly “no, I’m a donor“. We rode the rest of the way in silence. You just have to sort of roll with it.

    I’m thinking a big smile and “Well, la-di-dah” would have been the perfect response. But it’s always hard to think of these things in real time.

  80. 80.

    schrodingers_cat

    @Geminid: Indians come in all shades and with all types of features. RWNJs have never opened a real history book.

    I have zero sympathy for Usha Vance who went to Yale and clerked for RWNJ Justices of the Supreme Court. She chose this.

  83. 83.

    SFAW

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: ​
     

    Since Trump is always talking about the one thing in the world he cares about, Trump, it might mean Trump is worried he won’t be around in four years.

    The most charitable interpretation of his comments is that he left out a few word, meaning that he intended to saying “if you vote for me this year, you won’t have to worry about voting for ME in four years, because I’ll be termed out.”
    But that’s a big leap, especially considering how often he’s talked about being a dictator, putting his enemies in prison (or killing them), etc.

  84. 84.

    Scout211

    As a Democrat, a female and a boomer, I think we have often been misunderstood. Or maybe it’s just the Democratic women in my own sphere.  We don’t resent young women rising up and gaining personal and political power that we never had, we actually love it and support it fully.  We paved the way in our careers and in working most of our lives to improve the rights of women and to fight back against misogyny and discrimination.

    We do joyfully support Kamala Harris.  Because for many of us, we did that.  We helped paved the way.

  85. 85.

    Soprano2

    @Kay: ITA. He said what he said, and I think he’s said things like that before. Make him explain it. It’s gross how the press lets him lie constantly and doesn’t call him out on the grossest ones, like the “they want to execute babies” lie. I know they’re basing that on something that happened, I think in VA, but I don’t know what exactly it was.

  86. 86.

    zhena gogolia

    @hueyplong: I share your hopes, but the NYT is INSANE now. It’s no longer a journalistic enterprise. I have been ignoring their political coverage since their coup against Biden, but I peeked at the interview with Buttigieg. It’s insane — I mean that literally. They want him to tell them that their coverage of Biden has been fair and balanced. I’m serious when I say that Jesse Watters would have done a fairer interview.

    Anticipating what they’re going to do with Harris makes me sick, although they can’t use their classism, ageism, or ableism against her. They’ll think of something. They’re like Captain Ahab.

    ETA: And as we’ve seen, the cable news, including MSNBC, all follow them like lemmings.

  87. 87.

    TBone

    @Starfish: love that song!

    Alas we are already on a payment plan to the local hospital for medical bills.  Despite qualifying for and participating in their victim patient charity program.

  88. 88.

    EZSmirkzz

    via Atrios,

    There is something almost too perfect about the demand from The Bitcoin Community for the federal government to buy up hundreds of billions of their libertarian fake money.

    Gimmetarianism every time.

    Like I said, if we elect a Republican Congress they’ll make America look like Sears.

  89. 89.

    Anyway

    OT I went to a coin convention yesterday- a friend needed a ride. I was probably stereotyping a little but the vendors looked like Ron Paul voters from back in the day. There were no overtly political messages a couple of NRA, back the blue type shirts. Middle-aged and older white folk for the most part.

    The coin thing was in one half of the building the other half was setting up for an Indian dance recital later in the day. Lots of South Asians in saris and colorful attire decorating the lobby with pedestals, flowers and mandalas – all looked very festive.

    The whole scene felt like a RL split-screen of the November election.

    Thus was in NoVa- I sent out a RIP to Steep.

  92. 92.

    Nelle

    @Starfish: Done.  Thanks for reposting this.  One of my NZ friends said, “They call themselves Christians in the United States?  They are barbarians for the way that they will let those who are sick suffer and die if they don’t have money.”

  94. 94.

    lowtechcyclist

    @SFAW:

    The most charitable interpretation of his comments is that he left out a few word, meaning that he intended to saying “if you vote for me this year, you won’t have to worry about voting for ME in four years, because I’ll be termed out.”

    But that’s a big leap, especially considering how often he’s talked about being a dictator, putting his enemies in prison (or killing them), etc.

    Not to mention, he’s insisted since about 2017 that he was owed a third term because the Dems have been so mean to him during his first one, or something to that effect.

    If he wins in November, he will still be President come February 2029, one way or another, unless he’s dead by then.

  95. 95.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @Belafon: Also the “Dems never fought like this!” shit.  Like, am I the only one who remembers 2018-2020?  Or Biden’s SOTU address only a few months ago?

  96. 96.

    Kay

    @Soprano2:

    Im not cleaning it up for him. Again, that is the job of the NYTimes and they’re well compensated with both salary and book deals.

    Normal people don’t have to volunteer to drag their piece of shit candidate over the finish line. It’s not my fault he can’t impart a simple idea coherently. It sounds like he’s saying elections are over – I listened to the extended blather – it never becomes clearer. Let him explain it – I’m not.

  98. 98.

    Leto

    @Anyway: wanted to reply to your advertising comment from above, because we’re in the same region, to say that I’ve seen the same ads and I just laugh. I think they started last night? We have YouTubeTv, so I don’t exactly have a way to block them, but man is that some 80s flop sweat advertising. I also saw a few more ads against Casey, and a woman rep (I can’t remember who), but basically they’re attacking them along the same lines: hordes of immigrants are just flooding the country, illegals are getting benefits that tax payers are footing, and specific to Casey, they’re attacking him on inflation.

    Again, it smells of desperation and flop sweat to me.

  100. 100.

    Phylllis

    @Anyway: It didn’t seem that different than “illegal hordes are flooding the country” ads that are constantly seen during Phillies games.

    I’ve been wondering if those were specific to Braves games. Interesting.

  101. 101.

    Splitting Image

    @rikyrah:

    And, that was pointed out. Same publication, same writer, literally 14 days apart

    I’m glad to see so many of these things being pointed out this year. Along with the general enthusiasm surrounding Harris, it makes me very hopeful for the future.

  102. 102.

    Kay

    Elon Musk is promoting fake videos of Harris to media on Twitter and I’m supposed to clean up Donald Trump’s slurred rambling and add words to make it clear for him?

    When pigs fly.

  103. 103.

    hueyplong

    @lowtechcyclist: I have a pretty good guess why Trump would have left out the “because I’ll be termed out” part.  It’s because he’s never referenced leaving office and has never thought about leaving office voluntarily.  As for what he’s actually verbalized on the topic, it has always – 100% – been about exceeding the time period the Constitution permits, on one narcissistic ground or another.

    FFS.  Now we’re being asked to say he actually means something he has never meant, ever.

  104. 104.

    Expletive Deleted

    @Scout211: Right? I mean I am Gen-x and have no children, but one of the joys of the past ten twenty years has been seeing this generation of women absolutely flourishing in the public sphere: artists, athletes, directors, politicians, activists.

    The women born post Title IX and RvW passage sure, but even more so their daughters. As much as anything I think thats the heart of what the RW is terrified of: we won, we are seeing the incredible results in every facet of society and culture, and it is beautiful.

  105. 105.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    @Kay: He didn’t misspeak and he meant what he said. He tried to overturn the last election. People committed to democracy don’t do that. Since then not accepting the results of any election he loses, and making himself a dictator, either outright saying it or hinting at it, have been constant themes in his speeches. He’s been saying this less bluntly for years. He meant every word no additional context needed.

  106. 106.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @RaflW:

    I am loving that Harris & Dems are running as the party of freedom.

    As opposed to the GQP which is running as the party of Freedumb!

    It’s nice to see Democratic messaging not only “take back” words and their meaning after they’ve been hijacked and perverted by the GQP (classic conservative messaging techniques) but turn them right back against them.

  107. 107.

    Leto

    @Nelle: It’s part of the Puritanical strain we’ve kept alive since forever. That people who are sick, poor, and/or need help have had some type of moral failing. And if they just get right with Gawd, then all with be rainbows and sunshine… Ofc we know the modern incarnation of this as the Prosperity Gospel. And they wonder why religion is being rejected in such numbers.

  108. 108.

    Kay

    I saw the BLM themed Harris ad they’re running in MN. It will probably be effective with white people.

    But this is not our first rodeo. We went thru this with Obama when media and Republicans promoted birtherism and did that insane weeks-long blatantly racist attack on the AA minister. We just have to get around them. Not hide from it or pretend it isn’t happening –  work around it.

  110. 110.

    Betsy

    @cmorenc: you’re so right.
    Everyone thinks that the northern retirees and northern mobile workers are turning North Carolina more blue. In fact, those are the very reactionaries who moved to the south because they think it’s OK to be a racist here.

    It was New Jersey and Ohio and Midwest Republicans who moved to North Carolina and tried to re-segregate the most successful, diverse school district in the nation. It was locals who turned them back.  It was Northern Republican pig people who have led many of the most reactionary legislative successes in the newly republican legislature.

    Also, I want to point out that native North Carolinians 30 years ago were much more decent in manner and less likely to be racist than nativeNorth Carolinians today.  I am still trying to figure out the reasons why.  It has partly to do with the creeping  confederatization of the whole country in the last generation or so, I think.

  113. 113.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @lowtechcyclist: If he wins in November, he will still be President come February 2029, one way or another, unless he’s dead by then.

    Which means all hail President Couch Fucker

  115. 115.

    Scout211

    Not that opinion polls are the best measure, but it’s nice to cite the positive ones.  Some highlights:

    ABCVice President Kamala Harris is enjoying a bounce in her favorability rating among Americans just days after President Joe Biden bowed out of the presidential race and endorsed her, according to an ABC News/Ipsos poll released Sunday.

    . . .
    Forty-four percent of independents have a favorable view of Harris, up from only 28% a week ago. Her unfavorability rating among independents is now 40%, which is a slight drop from 47% last week

    There have been no discussions of another Democrat challenging Harris for the nomination and a slight majority of Americans, 52%, say she should be the Democratic nominee, the poll found. This number jumps to 86% among Democrats, compared to 51% of independents and only 20% of Republicans.

    Harris has an edge over former President Donald Trump when it comes to how much enthusiasm Americans feel for them as nominees. Forty-eight percent of Americans say they would feel enthusiastic if Harris becomes the Democratic nominee. Fewer, 39%, say they are enthusiastic about Trump being the Republican nominee.

    Trump’s favorability rating among independents also saw a drop in the last week. Twenty-seven percent of independents have a favorable of Trump, which is down from 35% last week.

    ETA:

    Trump’s running mate JD Vance saw no change in his favorability rating in the last week, but the proportion of Americans viewing him unfavorably has increased.

    The Ohio senator’s favorability rating is 24%, similar to his 23% rating in last week’s poll. But the proportion viewing him unfavorably has increased from 31% last week to 39% now, according to the poll.

  117. 117.

    UncleEbeneezer

    People get mad at me when I say it, but the Democratic Party is fantastic at politics. It’s a well-organized, professional operation that has thus far held the GOP to a draw despite the massive advantages Republicans get from Senate malaportionment and the Electoral College.

    This!  When you take into account the structural advantages Republicans have through the EC, Wyoming getting the same # of Senators as CA, gerrymandering and the always-present appeal of Racism, Misogyny etc., what Dems have done since 2016 is incredible!  And they rarely get the credit they deserve.  Even in spaces like this.

  118. 118.

    Geminid

    @SFAW: Trump may have expressed several ideas in his muddled-up way. One is that a lot of his supporters were infrequent or voters or did not vote at all until he came along; people with little civic engagement outside his campaigns. He wants to string them along one last time.

    This does not exclude other intentions.

  119. 119.

    Starfish

    @Leto: It is more twisted than that though.

    Right now, keeping people’s chronic conditions (like their diabetes, asthma, and so on) in check so they can work is beyond the concern of the medical system as it exists, so they are putting corporate profit above “Hey, these folks could engage in the Puritan work ethic if they could afford their meds.”

    The pharmacy benefits managers and other entities that have no business existing in the medical sphere at all have been allowed to thrive. Lina Khan is coming for all sorts of anti-consumer stuff, and companies are trying to get her fired.

  120. 120.

    p.a.

    Just click my nym & the 1st photo (a download) is tRump followers’ and the MSM’s explanation of any and all tRumpism-du-jour.

     

    ETA: keep an eye out for anti-K ads darkening her skin à la Obama🤬

  122. 122.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Eyeroller:

    I no longer have a subscription so what was the miracle cure?  A cloth Trump touched?

    One of his diapers. The Shroud of Urine.

  123. 123.

    hueyplong

    @Betsy: “Everyone thinks that the northern retirees and northern mobile workers are turning North Carolina more blue. In fact, those are the very reactionaries who moved to the south because they think it’s OK to be a racist here.”

    You’re also so right.  Manhattan and Brooklyn didn’t empty into Charlotte; the Buffalo suburbs did.  Nearly every northern transplant I know is a Republican.

  124. 124.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    @Kay: The anti- BLM stuff is mostly based on white people’s fear of being a victim of crime. They know they and their properties rely on police protection. Kamala is a former prosecutor. She has to address that fear head on, and she can.

  125. 125.

    Randal Sexton

    I cannot wait for the zoom meetings of the:

    Redheads for Harris-

    Left Handed Folks for Harris-

    People with detached earlobes for Harris-

    People who say cilantro tastes like soap for Harris-

    People who spell potato POTATOE for Harris-

    Lots of other groups too!

  128. 128.

    Jeffro

    @SFAW: this

    Anyone making excuses for trumpov or saying “he won’t be that bad this time” is just beyond kidding themselves.

    Last time we imagined the worst, and he went lower than that.

    This time around he’ll go for broke, openly loot the Treasury, fire experienced civil servants en masse, jail his enemies, and destroy every last alliance the US has.  HE WILL BE WORSE THAN ANYONE IMAGINES

    …which is why we have to go all-out and win this thing!

  132. 132.

    delphinium

    @Hungry Joe: Awesome-keep up the good work!

    FYI for post carders, Postcards to Swing States now has address for competitive US House Districts too. I am going to sign up for at least 1 in NY since we lost some winnable races last time which led to the Dems losing the House.

  133. 133.

    schrodingers_cat

    @Eyeroller: If by now Dems don’t know what NYT is, shame on us.

    They are Fox News with a thesaurus and more outward polish. But from the Push Biden Out campaign we saw that shallowness and bigotry has a home among many Democrats.

  134. 134.

    oldgold

    This morning:

    RADDATZ: What the heck did Trump mean in saying his supporters won’t have to vote again in four years?

    CHRIS SUNUNU: Haha. I think that was a classic Trumpism, if you will.

    RADDATZ: Ok. Let’s turn to President Biden and Kamala Harris.

    Lordy!

  136. 136.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Scout211: The Ohio senator’s favorability rating is 24%, similar to his 23% rating in last week’s poll. But the proportion viewing him unfavorably has increased from 31% last week to 39% now, according to the poll.

    This is why I am highly skeptical of polls, How can a man who went in one week from just some senator from Ohio to one of the biggest joke’s in American political history not show a significant shift in their numbers.  This really feels like the pollsters are just going through the motions and simply turning the same poll in again, and again.  After all, who is going verify their numbers?

  137. 137.

    bbleh

    It took the MSM a LONG time to get around to calling the Felon’s lies out as actual LIES (or “untruths” or whatever).  They whitewashed and tap-danced as long as they could.

    And now they’re doing the same about his explicit plans and sentiments to undermine and destroy American democracy.  They’re even publishing “explainers” by their own writers of what he “meant to say.”

    But at least they’re reporting on it now, instead of ignoring it entirely, which is very much a step in the right direction.

    Speaking of “honeymoons” coming to an end …

  139. 139.

    edgefigaro

    Unpopular opinion: I’m really frustrated with the literal interpretation crowd re: won’t have to vote again.

    It’s totally unnecessary. You don’t have to drive an anti-democracy fascism narrative that hard, because the other resulting narratives are also really, really good for us.

    If someone said “it’s just trump claiming he’ll fix everything in four years,” an incredibly charitable interpretation, I think its really easy to be engaging and ask “do you believe that?”

    There is easy profit there. There is easy value there. There is easy conversation there.

    I would only want to shove the maximal fascism narrative towards people who already believe that, or are very close to it.

    Just keeping the quote in the news without driving towards a conclusion is really good, it’ll be the gift that keeps on giving. You can engage with it from all sorts of different directions for profit.

  142. 142.

    edgefigaro

    @Randal Sexton:

    Two days ago I met a person who said they (1) thought cilantro tasted like soap and (2) liked cilantro.

    I didn’t know that venn diagram existed.

  144. 144.

    brendancalling

    @schrodingers_cat: Yup. She sure did.

    It would be HILARIOUS if after all this, with her reputation in tatters, that Usha divorces JD and tries (unsuccessfully) to start over.

  145. 145.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Geminid: This does not exclude other intentions.

    Trump Razor means as stupid as it sounds, it will only get stupider. So, with that “logic”, it’s clear

    “They won’t have vote again because they will be future foot soldiers in The Trump War Against Sharks (broadcasted live), who will make the ultimate sacrifice to our Nation Under Trump by fighting into the radioactive ruins of Bismark, North Dakota after the preemptive nuklur’ strike on the city (and suck it up, you libertards with your false news about sharks in the Bismark Sea, Trump’s big brain sees through your tricks)”

  147. 147.

    TBone

    @TBone: that clip is pretty short and it’s the one where Karen gets Grace a gig to decorate the oval office. 😆 Karen shall live in infamy!

    “I spoke with Melanio last night…”

  149. 149.

    evodevo

    @Soprano2: I’m wondering if it was that abortion doc in Philly Kermit Gosnell who ran a non-compliant clinic starting in the Seventies until his arrest in 2010 or 11

  150. 150.

    KatKapCC

    @Kay: It has really been annoying that some on the left are deliberately misquoting it to make it sound like he said “I know my wife isn’t white, but I love her anyway”. Come on, people. I’m not saying we have to “go high” but let’s not sink to their mendacious level.

  151. 151.

    RaflW

    i don’t know how well I’ll do with this, but I realized after seeing yet another perfectly accurate but depressing Aaron Rupar skeet about Martha Raddatz’s daily failure to do a journalism, that:

    1. I am thankful every day that the Sunday shows, etc, are utterly irrelevant to most people under 50.

    2. What Rupar and Acyn do has value. It is important to have some idea of the endless media failures and rightwing echo chambers.
    But Dems have a positive vision for the future. We’re fighting to restore personal freedoms. Fossils like Raddatz have no idea what’s going on outside a Beltway studio.

    3. Maybe kidz today have the right mindset: Ignore all that chatter most of the time. Check in occasionally, maybe, but move forward with purpose and f* legacy media.

  153. 153.

    Mousebumples

    @edgefigaro: Two days ago I met a person who said they (1) thought cilantro tasted like soap and (2) liked cilantro.

    I didn’t know that venn diagram existed

    Is soap cheaper than cilantro?

  158. 158.

    Glidwrith

    @edgefigaro: As someone who is watching the discussion that women’s voting rights should be stripped away, whose daughter is now less human because they don’t get a say on what happens to their body if they live in the wrong state, I will absolutely drive the narrative that of COURSE he wants to be a dictator.

    There is no margin, no gray space left. You vote for the Nazis or you vote for freedom.

  160. 160.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    @Kay: That Sterling guy… it’s his job to rewrite what Trump said. When he says what he means too bluntly it’s guys like that who come along and try to invent some nuance that creates plausible deniability that he said what he said. Nobody should fall for it. He’s twisting Trump’s plain language to hide the truth. The Democrats in these news talking head shows need to make that point constantly. That my Republican colleague is spinning to try and hide the fact that Trump meant exactly what he said. Because that’s what’s happening here and really everywhere.

  161. 161.

    Betty

    @Scout211: Well said. Thank you. There are many of us who have been thrilled to see the success of younger women and helped when we could.

  164. 164.

    gwangung

    @KatKapCC: Yeah, let’s not emphasize that. He answered like a typical clumsy white guy with a non-white wife. Lord knows there are loads of them in left leaning circles.

  165. 165.

    hitchhiker

    @edgefigaro:

    Thank you.

    My immediate reaction to that quote was, why the fuck does he think voting is such a burden?

    Like, this is your prize, people, you only need to do this dreadful, painful, awful thing one time — and then you’re done.

    Dude, it’s filling in bubbles on a paper. Tapping a spot on a screen. We can handle it.

  166. 166.

    Renie

    My son jogs around the neighborhood every day.  I live in a red area on Long Island, New York and he said since Kamala being the candidate a lot of trump signs went up (surprisingly not after the shooting). So today I just ordered my Kamala lawn sign. Got two in case someone takes it.

  167. 167.

    RaflW

    @hueyplong: Maybe I’m naive, or overly optimistic, but I want us to think about ways that we can just ignore the news industries efforts to frame things.

    It’s patently obvious that, as a conglomerate of businesses, they no longer have journalistic interest in bettering our county (or even accurately reporting on both threats and improvements) in mind.

    So, how do we stop echoing their framing by endlessly responding to it and trying to ‘correct’ it?

    Media peeps are clearly totally disinterested in responding to reader/viewer demands that they change. Accelerating their irrelevance seems like the remaining option.

    That’s why, above, I said about Rupar that maybe we not spend so much time with guys like him. Not write him off, he does good work. But where are we going, rather than what the media misrepresents about where we are headed.

  169. 169.

    RaflW

    @hueyplong: On that last point, props to Joe for walking out to Marine One on Friday with a cool jacket on, big waive, and Hunter and Hunter’s significant other, all together and being the loving family they are.

  170. 170.

    Eyeroller

    @RaflW: The Sunday political shows should be irrelevant to most people, period. Their viewership numbers are tiny. They remain because (1) they fill dead time, but most especially because (2) they influence the more popular media, especially the talking heads.

  172. 172.

    hueyplong

    @RaflW: It is my hope that you are in fact not being overly optimistic.  My own, darker, POV is based in part on where I live.  I wouldn’t even consider a Harris yard sign, though I consider her victory a matter of life and death.  The optimism seen in the coal mine by this particular canary is that there aren’t very many Trump signs, either.  Yet.

  173. 173.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    @bbleh: Yeah a couple weeks back one of the MSNBC talking heads was pontificating again on how should the news media handle Trump’s constant lying. I’m like you’ve fing had 9 years to figure that shit out. Either stop pretending you’re trying or admit you’re incompetent and find another line of work.

  174. 174.

    Eunicecycle

    @RaflW: I saw RWNJs trying to say, “That’s not Joe! It’s a body double! That’s not how he walks! He’s dead and they’re hiding it!” And comparing his height to the blonde woman with him, assuming it was Jill. Of course Jill Biden is in Paris, and someone said it was Joe’s sister, which I didn’t even know he had one.

  175. 175.

    cvannatta

    Anecdotal report from northern Colorado: A friend invited me as her “plus one” at the irregular county Democrat Party potluck in the park. She went because she wants to volunteer and she was tired of phone tag with the coordinator. Apparently, they usually have maybe 8 or 10 people show up. When we arrived, easily 70 people were crowded under the pavillion and the “donate to GOTV efforts” tip jar was pleasantly full.

    I am encouraged! 😺

  176. 176.

    Cheryl from Maryland

    @RaflW:  some polls for Muscarel-Powell vs. Bat-Boy Scott are within two points.  If Balloon-Juice has the band width, I think partnering with a GOTV group in Florida may not win the state for MVP Harris, but could help the Senate.

  177. 177.

    RevRick

    @Kay: Latinos are a growing factor in Pennsylvania, especially along the RT. 222 corridor from Allentown to Lancaster. Since we’re THE swing state, that matters… a lot.

  179. 179.

    Bill Arnold

    @bbleh:

    They’re even publishing “explainers” by their own writers of what he “meant to say.”

    If the elderly confused felon utters an ambiguous statement, he owns every possible interpretation of his utterance. The press can a assign estimated probabilities to each interpretation, as long as they add up to one. They cannot legitimately assert that only one is correct, even if they ask the campaign and it deigns to provide a a clear unambiguous response. (Too much of an irrefutable history of lying.)
    I’m a lousy proofreader when in regular-reading mode; I literally autocorrect typos to what my subconscious thinks is the intended meaning, without conscious intervention.
    With Trump’s utterances, this does not work for me; they are too gibberish-y.

  180. 180.

    persistentillusion

    @Renie: In 2012, a liberal friend in my old neighborhood in a very red part of town, put up an Obama sign.  Gone the next day.  Put up another.  Same thing happened.

    Then she got an old real estate sign (you know, the heavy metal ones) affixed the Obama signs on both sides and chained it to a large tree.  And then, she put up another sign that said: “Steal this one, I’ve got three more, fool.”

  181. 181.

    Lyrebird

    @rikyrah:

    Kenny bringing another big helping of truth!  I still remember white demagogues claiming to be progressive trying to shame voters re: Obama for not being this enough or that enough.

    And, bitter stubborn person that I am, I still wish we could turn back the clock so whoever that mouthpiece (Mike maybe?) was from Bernie’s campaign who called SC Dems “low info voters” for backing Biden instead could lose his job for the insolence.

    But, ONWARD!  ANd thank you once again Rikyrah!

  183. 183.

    Geminid

    @Lyrebird: Michael Moore was the man who made that comment about “low information” voters deciding the South Carolina primary. I also tthought it was outrageous. But I think Moore was a freelance alliy not on the campaign’s payroll. Sanders still could have and should have disavowed the statement, but Sanders likely believed it himself.

  184. 184.

    Subsole

     

     

    @Tony Jay: Also, maybe I’m overthinking it, but putting her ancestry in the Balkans seems a kind of dogwhistle. The Balkans are European, but not good, proper European. White enough to watch the slaves, not quite white enough to allow inside the manse unsupervised.

  186. 186.

    Subsole

    @RaflW:

    I dunno man. I’ve seen where a lot of the kids seem to be getting their news today and…um…it’s not great, Bob.

     

    @rikyrah: These folks absolutely and without a lack of irony believe children belong on the Spinning Jenny, or working a sugarcane mangle. They don’t need booklearning for that.

    That’s part of the plan. Throw the cheap labor immigrants provide out, replace with literal children.

    This is, of course, insane.

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