Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Prediction: the gop will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.

When do the post office & the dmv weigh in on the wuhan virus?

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Even though I know this is a bad idea, I’m off to do it anyway!

When you’re a Republican, they let you do it.

Marge, god is saying you’re stupid.

Boeing: repeatedly making the case for high speed rail.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

“That’s what the insurrection act is for!”

They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.

I was promised a recession.

I’m sure you banged some questionable people yourself. We’re allowed to grow past that.

Relentless negativity is not a sign that you are more realistic.

So many bastards, so little time.

We are aware of all internet traditions.

“woke” is the new caravan.

T R E 4 5 O N

It is possible to do the right thing without the promise of a cookie.

If you are in line to indict donald trump, stay in line.

In after Baud. Damn.

“The defense has a certain level of trust in defendant that the government does not.”

A snarling mass of vitriolic jackals

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

There are more Russians standing up to Putin than Republicans.

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am now somewhat convinced they’re gonna drop vance off on the curb like a… well, you know

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— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) Jul 30, 2024 at 5:11 PM


tbf i think it is *somewhat* unlikely because of timing

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Late Night Open Thread: Getting Vanced 1

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  2. 2.

    opiejeanne

    One surprising bit of cruelty in Project 2025 is their aim to ban chemotherapy for women. They are worried that it might have an effect on fertility, or on a child in the womb.

  4. 4.

    TS

    @opiejeanne:

    One surprising bit of cruelty in Project 2025 is their aim to ban chemotherapy for women.

    Not surprising for this lot – but they really do hate us – and want to go back to the days where we died in childbirth at child number 14.

  5. 5.

    NaijaGal

    I just have to say that Jen O’Malley Dillon and Julie Chavez Rodriguez are doing an excellent job running this campaign! I haven’t seen enough people talk about that.

  6. 6.

    Martin

    @SpaceUnit: Oh, they’re his. But you know how the loudest voices in  the GOP (or churches) that used to scream about gays had a tendency to be outed as gay. The more bizarre and strident Vance’s views on biological children that keep surfacing, the more I think that’s just the same thing but inverted – the only valid lifestyle is one that leads to biological children and he thinks about that a LOT and needs to keep reaffirming that his choice to get married to a woman and have kids was very much the correct one, because it means he’s not sociopathic, psychotic and deranged.

    He is working VERY hard at this.

  7. 7.

    Jay

    What ever you do, DO NOT SEND YOUR USED CAT LITTER to JD Vance,

    37 West Broad Street,

    Room 300

    Columbus, Ohio, 43215.

  8. 8.

    Martin

    @NaijaGal: At risk of backlash – there are a lot of questions here. The immigration ad that was just cut could have been 90% identical before Biden dropped out. Why didn’t they cut that ad? Why wasn’t most of this stuff being done before this week?

    My understanding is that Mike Donilon – the campaign strategist was viewed by a lot of people (including Harris) as a major impediment here (his name also comes up in why Biden didn’t seem to be up-to-date on polling). He’s out, and it seems like shit is getting done now. The ads so far have been really good, the rapid response seems right on point. Nobody has gone running to the NYT with inside dirt. The team knew immediately how to respond to Charlie xcx. They got Beyonce, and Megan, and everything seems to be coming together really quickly, which is great, but raises the question that if it’s the same team, what was the impediment before this week?

  11. 11.

    Citizen Alan

    @Martin: My personal suspicion is that at some point his drug-addicted, messed up mother told him to his face that he ruined her life because she couldn’t get an abortion. Honestly, I think a lot of right wingers oppose abortion because of the existential crisis it provokes when they think about how much better off the human race would be, if they’d never been born.

  16. 16.

    WereBear

    @Citizen Alan:  Honestly, I think a lot of right wingers oppose abortion because of the existential crisis it provokes when they think about how much better off the human race would be, if they’d never been born.

    You are not wrong at all. Their misery is constantly offloaded onto other people, and yet their misery continues.

    I think it’s why fundamentalism in an established religion has a tendency towards apocalyptic cults, just as strict rules in a new belief system, like with the people who kill themselves, or are killed (most of the Jim Jones/Guyana victims were murdered) as a result.

    These are systems so deeply dysfunctional, and require so much control from above and survival instincts from below, that the people trapped in it do long for an end to it all.

    Some form of suicide is sure to follow if this is not corrected.

  18. 18.

    BethanyAnne

    Amplifying Charlie XCX’s positive tweet about Kamala being brat was an immediate good choice. One of the first bits of outreach to the Youngs that don’t watch politics, and it started a flood of memes. Smart move. Oh, and for my fellow olds – Charlie says brat is “very honest, very blunt, maybe a bit volatile”. It’s also the name of Charlie’s new album.

  19. 19.

    Kay

    @Martin:

    Mike Donilon. The article is from before the debate because they were in trouble before the debate.

    They were running on exactly what they ran on in 2020. Harris has changed course, which we can see – the changes you cited.

  20. 20.

    Kay

    Harris is still probably the underdog. She’s done well climbing out of the hole we were in but she’s barely even. We have to be 4 to 6 ahead to win the electoral votes. I think we will be though, but boy this was some save.

  21. 21.

    WereBear

    @BethanyAnne: I instantly thought of a previous generation’s favorite “brat.” Ramona Quimby, Beverly Cleary’s invention of a kid sister for her series.

    Appearing in 1950, Ramona was a stark contrast with her goody-good older sister. If she wanted something, she wouldn’t hesitate to make a great big noisy fuss.

    Which I admit I’ve done. It’s a power move to insist. There’s good in that, too.

  22. 22.

    Baud

    Vance praises a key leader behind Project 2025, a conservative effort Trump has disavowed

    Not thrilled with this headline, which assumes Trump is a truth teller.

  23. 23.

    JoyceH

    LOL at the notion that Trump is “connecting” because of his “pop cultural references”, when he’s obsessing on a movie that is over thirty years old!

  25. 25.

    WereBear

    @Baud: On the other hand, Vance is ALL OVER Project 2025.

    I don’t know what Vance’s problem is, but the self-hate radiates out, and now there’s a 900 page document that might as well be “The Incel’s Guide to Government for Dummies.”

    It’s the Atlas Shrugged of hating women.

  26. 26.

    Baud

    @Citizen Alan:

     I think a lot of right wingers oppose abortion because of the existential crisis it provokes when they think about how much better off the human race would be, if they’d never been born.

     

    Someone should tell them it’s not to late. #PostBirthAbortion

  30. 30.

    WereBear

    The simplest explanation for Right Wingers is that they were not loved and wanted enough.

    What turns them down a dark path is their childish belief that if they just offload their misery on others, their own will be less.

    And a refusal to admit they are wrong about that.

  31. 31.

    WereBear

    Every day brings a new and terrifying vision of our Opus Dei future.

    Women of reproductive age, or even not yet, cannot have chemotherapy or adjacent drugs for any reason, because of possible effects on their fertility.

    Full stop.

  32. 32.

    catclub

    @Kay: We have to be 4 to 6 ahead to win the electoral votes. I think we will be though, but boy this was some save.

     

    How bad was polling compared to results on post-Roe

    votes?  I thought it was off by as much as ten percent in places like Kansas and Ohio. Florida will have an amendment on the ballot protecting the right to abortion.

  33. 33.

    catclub

    @Baud: Not thrilled with this headline, which assumes Trump is a truth teller.

     

    I am confident that Trump has both disavowed and praised it, depending on circumstances.  So the statement is true, but incomplete.

  34. 34.

    Betty Cracker

    @catclub: The latest polls in FL show the abortion rights ballot initiative with more than the 60% it needs to become law. It’s running ahead of Democratic candidates right now. DeSantis and the FL GOP will pull every dirty trick to stop it, including lies in the fiscal impact statement that will accompany the ballot language.

  35. 35.

    Honus

    Vivek Ramaswamy:

    “This whole ‘they’re weird’ argument from the Democrats is dumb & juvenile. This is a presidential election, not a high school prom queen contest. It’s also a tad ironic coming from the party that preaches ‘diversity & inclusion.’ Win on policy if you can, but cut the crap please.”

    This is good coming from people who have childishly referred to the “Democrat party” for the past twenty yesrs…

  37. 37.

    Liminal Owl

    @Baud: I’m sure you’re partly joking, but I’ll answer seriously anyway: No, and see WereBear’s excellent comments. To be clear: I agree about the developmental factors, but I don’t think that simply giving lots of love and attention to their adult selves would fix the problem at this stage. I don’t know what, if anything, would. But your idea would only validate their worldview, in their minds and others’—leading, IMO, to further radicalization among the more moderate sympathizers.

  38. 38.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Honus:

    This is good coming from people who have childishly referred to the “Democrat party” for the past twenty yesrs…

    And Swiftboating, and the long-form birth certificate, and Butter Emails, and Biden Is Old, etc.

    They’ve always been about just piling up negative associations on Democratic candidates and the Democratic Party in general, rather than being about any serious policy debate.

    They can dish it out, and even ‘but they can’t take it’ is quite an understatement. The ‘weird’ meme has been out there for what, a week maybe, and already they’re screaming in agony.

    Poor babies, now where’s that world’s smallest violin?

  39. 39.

    Mousebumples

    From bsky, ALT text of a screenshot of a tweet –

    A post from The Hungover Pundit:

    The Hungover Pundit @hungover_the

    A friend once shared what she called the Parable of the Choir: A choir can sing a beautiful note impossibly long because singers can individually drop out to breathe as necessary and the note goes on.

    Social justice activism should be like that, she said.

    That’s stuck with me.

    Good morning, everyone!

  42. 42.

    Baud

    @lowtechcyclist:

    And Swiftboating, and the long-form birth certificate, and Butter Emails, and Biden Is Old, etc.

     

    And their newest policy proposal: Kamala ain’t black.

  43. 43.

    Mousebumples

    For reference, the author of these skeets wrote the Divergent series, if you can’t place the name –

    https://bsky.app/profile/veronicaroth.bsky.social/post/3kymq6fp4yv2a (must be logged in to view)

    I found out from a librarian at ALA who works on banned books stuff that after thinking my books aren’t really banned anywhere for most of my career… apparently they absolutely ARE and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN and it’s because they’re “anti authoritarian” can I get a hell yeah

    (Let me also acknowledge that my being pleased with a book banning is a privileged position because it won’t affect my livelihood in a meaningful way— book banning is actually awful and bad for society and not fun for most authors and we should fight its surge as hard as we can!)

    … Before I knew this I felt sort of bummed, like clearly I’m not doing my job properly if these bingbongs don’t want to ban me. There’s room for improvement of course, but: on the right track.

    … I’m not sure why I never knew this before– maybe things were just too intense when the books were coming out. I did find out that in one district in Georgia (maybe?), ONLY INSURGENT was banned last year, which was very odd. Why just book 2? why now? so weird.

     

    https://bsky.app/profile/chocluxe.bsky.social/post/3kymtkxbsz22u

    Wait. You’re a NYT best selling author. My niece requested your books as their birthday present. Those books have been loaned out to almost all her friends. How are those books ‘anti authoritarian’?? In any case, 🥂!

     

    https://bsky.app/profile/veronicaroth.bsky.social/post/3kymuynt3od2e

    It’s in a very “don’t trust authority, authority will lie to you and in fact is lying to you right now” sense. Nothing too shocking, I’m sure.

    That reminds me that I never finished reading the books. And I think only the first 2 were made into movies. I’ve seen both of those, and I enjoyed them, if that sort of anti-authoritarian thing sounds good to you.

  44. 44.

    NotMax

    FYI.

    A group of over 200 tech leaders and investors are pledging their support to Vice President Kamala Harris in the presidential race, countering an opposing group from Silicon Valley that has backed former President Donald Trump.

    Shark Tank star and former Dallas Mavericks principal owner Mark Cuban, LinkedIn cofounder Reid Hoffman, Khosla Ventures founder Vinod Khosla, and SV Angel managing partner Ron Conway are among the signatories. Source

  46. 46.

    MomSense

    @Kay:

    We are finally on the right track.  The turnaround in the enthusiasm numbers is encouraging.  That was one of the problems before.  Too many people were just sitting it out not donating, volunteering or even showing up for the primary.  It’s going to be a nail biter.  Trump always outperformed his polling.  Those racist assholes crawl out from under their rocks to vote for him.  Contrary to what I’ve read here, we did not over perform the polling in 2022.  There are lots of articles that show that the polling before the midterms was accurate. We outperformed some specific polls on referenda about abortion but not the midterm polling.  We need to be up a minimum of 4 but more like 6 to win.  We are still very much in for a squeaker of an election.

  47. 47.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    That women can’t have chemo thing is bonkers. I mean sure, maybe chemo affects fertility but the same can be said for male fertility and, follow me closely here because this is where it gets complicated, so does dying of cancer.

    So it’s OK for hubby to get treatment that might make him shoot blanks but the Mrs. has to die of cancer? And having died of cancer, the Mrs. won’t have kids anyway. Are they too stupid to put this together in their pea brains? Or is this just about gratuitous cruelty to women? My money is on the latter but they aren’t that bright so it could go either way.

  48. 48.

    Soprano2

    @Baud: Yes, they tried to count all the future taxes that would be lost due to losing taxpayers. 🙄 I think it was a deliberate delaying tactic because they had to know they were going to lose in court. They were trying to shorten the time the proponents had to gather signatures.

  49. 49.

    David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch

    Virtually never has it mattered.”

    Which is what he thought of Mike Dense

  50. 50.

    MomSense

    @Mousebumples:

    All three were made into movies.  I admit I watched for Theo James.  Sanditon should have kept him in past the first season. Talk about a missed opportunity.
    The books are definitely anti- authoritarian.  They are also about being true to yourself when society is so bigoted and scared that they deem you a threat instead of a gift and a wonder.

  51. 51.

    Gvg

    @WereBear: wheras if they had any positive contrasting role models, they could think, mom needed therapy. I need to turn out the way I choose. Also, my true family are the ones I choose and who stick by me. Every family has at least one black sheep.

    I can add that I have personally seen a family of losers birth a peacock that stands out just for having a good head and sense from an early age that made a success of himself and tried to help them while not being dragged down by them. Rather inexplicable. He latched onto his mother in law for emotional support later (and wife of course). Honest when they were petty crooks.

    Divorces also used to seem to destroy wives and kids esteem more. Maybe still do in more traditional areas. I mean for more than just a few years when it happens.

  53. 53.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    @What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: The reactionaries seem to want to reduce the status of women to living incubators. It’s of a piece: someone like Trump doesn’t want a partner, he wants a flashy accessory to show off in public, a servant in the kitchen, and a toy in the bedroom. Many reactionaries want one woman to fill all those roles for them (Trump notoriously had multiple women filling those roles in his life).

    The common theme, I suppose, is subservience.

  55. 55.

    Gvg

    @What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: it’s already a factor. It’s on the forms, or was 10 years ago, is there a chance you might me pregnant? It might not rule it out, but they stop and evaluate if the treatment will affect the fetus, if it can be delayed and what the woman wants to do etc. I bet doctors also think about the risk of lawsuits and the insurers do too.

    I had had to have a hysterectomy before because of where the cancer was and how big, plus I was 49 with family history of menopause around 50 so I felt there was no point in avoiding it. Moot for me, but I noticed all the questions at every step of treatment and wondered for other women.

  56. 56.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Asked by Harris Faulkner if JD Vance is ready on day one, Trump answers: “Historically, the vice president, in terms of the election, does not have any impact. I mean, virtually no impact…Virtually never has it mattered.”

    Got to love how Mushroom Dick completely missed what the question was really about while throwing Vance under the bus.

  57. 57.

    Baud

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    I would never encourage suicide.

    But they invented this ridiculous nonsensical thing called post birth abortions, so I have no problem throwing it back in their faces.

  58. 58.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    My guess is that Trump was panic-considering dumping Vance and his keepers assured him that “historically the VP pick makes no difference.” You can almost hear the echo of them as he spits out that answer

    ETA: Last night, it was my turn to read at my writer group. I was reading along and stumbled on the fact I had named a minor character “Vance.” Now I have to global replace. Me too, Trumpy!

  59. 59.

    JWR

    About Trump’s NABJ interview… First, I watched the whole damn thing. and found that whenever I hear his voice, my brain automatically translates it into elevator music, just noise. So I missed a lot of it, but went back and listened to a few bits again, watched a few Youtube clips, (see below), and wow, he really blew it, big time! I mean, he brought up the Black jobs thing again all on his own! He’s also a complete a**hole, but you knew that. ;) Anyway, each clip is about 10 minutes. Enjoy!(?)

    MSNBC
    ‘Stunning ignorance’: Trump makes a fool of himself with obnoxious answers at Black journalism event

    CNN
    ‘Shocked’: Journalist describes moderating NABJ interview with Trump

    The Daily Show (ETA with Ronny Chieng, not Jon Stewart.)
    Trump Questions Harris’s Blackness & Megan Thee Stallion Rallies Harris Supporters

  60. 60.

    TS

    @Honus:

    It also comes from the party of trump  who has been dumb & juvenile when talking about any of his opponents.

    Weird is just so difficult for them to come back from – its not an insult or dumb or juvenile or anything other than a word to describe the way trump and his disciples behave.

  61. 61.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Honus: Would Ramaswamy rather go back to discussing how the Covid was created by the CDC in a lab for reasons, or the urgent need to spending billions of dollars to build a wall across the boarder to stop people from sneaking into this country to mow lawns, or whatever the bullshit of the season for the Right?

  63. 63.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @JWR: Yes, the whole NABJ thing is starting to feel like the press conference when Chris Christie tough guy fell apart because he started whining how the press was being mean to him.

  66. 66.

    Ken

    I wonder, what with Trump disclaiming Project 2025 while his VP pick is still on board with it, whether Vance is planning a little 25th Amendment action?

    I also wonder how I might suggest the same thing to Trump, just “as a friend who thinks you need to watch your back”.

  70. 70.

    Barry

    @TS: “Not surprising for this lot – but they really do hate us – and want to go back to the days where we died in childbirth at child number 14.”

    Or at age 14, raped by a white Church Elder.

  71. 71.

    K-Mo

    @JoyceH: Bingo.

    Also for those of us who get the reference, literally nobody except maybe the weirdest and most deranged people walked out of that movie thinking positive things about Lechter.

  74. 74.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Ken: I recall reading that the CIA used to do that to get Stalin to execute his own henchmen.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a Republican psyop trying that move on us. But it works better on paranoid authoritarians.

  77. 77.

    Kay

    @catclub:

     I thought it was off by as much as ten percent in places like Kansas and Ohio.

    I worked on the OH referendum. The public polling was dead on.
    GOP grifters and pundits predicted a Red wave, polling didn’t. Democrats outperformed historical results in 2022 – they did better than usual- but they didn’t outperform polling. Republicans won by 2 and they were up by 2.
    Harris is ahead by 6 in one national poll so far – that’s what we need consistently for a close election but one that we win. She’s on the right track but not there yet.

  78. 78.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Unearthed video: JD Vance says people who don’t have children are “sociopathic,” “psychotic,” and “deranged”

    I think the reason they don’t have children is because they are afraid they might have a child like JDV.

  80. 80.

    Kay

    @prostratedragon:

    I saw that too. I think it’s because he was really mad – close to losing control – because he knows it’s going badly. He’s using the bottle to get back under control. But it is weird as hell.

    You forget how angry he is until he’s back in an unscripted environment. He’s a fucking miserable person.

  82. 82.

    Kay

    @K-Mo:

    He’s helpful right now though because he’s admitting they’re doing poorly v Harris. He’s said none of the attacks are working, they need to change course, etc. I sort of admire it. The GOP is a cult. They can’t be happy he’s criticizing the Trump campaign.

    I think he’s done after this no matter what happens. If Trump loses they’ll hate him because he was right and if Trump wins they’ll punish him. You can’t tell the truth and remain in the GOP. He’ll end up like Yang – sort of a gadfly.

  83. 83.

    different-church-lady

    So, basically the campaign can’t understand the cannibal stuff either.​

  86. 86.

    Soprano2

    @Kay: He gets angry whenever he’s challenged, because he’s used to not being challenged. I’ve seen it in others before.

  92. 92.

    Ruckus

    @Martin:

    He is working VERY hard at this.

    And the more one hears, the more obvious it is that he is FAILING at it constantly.

    I’m not sure but I think that wanting life to be some nightmare horror film doesn’t quite make a decent concept of political thought.

  93. 93.

    Ruckus

    @WereBear:

    Vance has so many problems that the list, in very small type, is longer than any arm. He wants to lead but has zero idea how to do that – which fits the political side he’s on, where control is the point, but stupidity is the methodology.

  94. 94.

    Ruckus

    @WereBear:

    Well current day rethuglican leaders do seem to want the world to both go backasswards about a thousand years, and also do seem to not realize that doing that would make them even less popular. I’m not sure why they think being less popular is the way to go, but then gross stupidity does seem to be their most used and strongest “thought” process.

  95. 95.

    artem1s

    @catclub:

    How bad was polling compared to results on post-Roe votes? I thought it was off by as much as ten percent in places like Kansas and Ohio. Florida will have an amendment on the ballot protecting the right to abortion.

    The problem with all these states that have abortion protection on their ballots is the the usual “I got mine fuck you GOPers” will vote R because they think they’re going to be protected because their not in one of those states. Just like when they convinced themselves it was OK to vote for W or Raygun because SCOTUS would never overturn Roe. It’s why, not matter what voters in Ohio have supported post Dodd, it’s highly unlikely their POTUS EC votes will go to a Democrat.  There might be some blue movement in state and local races though.

  98. 98.

    Bill Arnold

    @opiejeanne:
    Here’s the only paragraph in the project 2025 pdf document that mentions chemotherapy. It is saying that statistics for the death of fetuses(& embryos?) should have many categories. “treatments that incidentally result in the death of a child (such as chemotherapy)” is one of those suggested categories. (Also, “child” in this context is an anti-abortion perversion of the English language)
    Have to say, doing searches on this document, the authors have the sort of obvious disrepect for science that is common among lawyers and especially ideologue lawyers. Extremely irritating.

    Because liberal states have now become sanctuaries for abortion tourism, HHS should use every available tool, including the cutting of funds, to ensure that every state reports exactly how many abortions take place within its borders, at what gestational age of the child, for what reason, the mother’s state of residence, and by what method. It should also ensure that statistics are separated by category: spontaneous miscarriage; treatments that incidentally result in the death of a child (such as chemotherapy); stillbirths; and induced abortion. In addition, CDC should require monitoring and reporting for complications due to abortion and every instance of children being born alive after an abortion. Moreover, abortion should be clearly defined as only those procedures that intentionally end an unborn child’s life. Miscarriage management or standard ectopic pregnancy treatments should never be conflated with abortion.

  99. 99.

    brantl

    What’s with JD Vance and the constant jazz hands, anyway? Both he and Trump waved their hands around all the time; I don’t get it.

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