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Do you ever have a moment when suddenly you see something in a completely different light?

That happened to me last night when I looked at (fake) Jack Smith’s twitter feed.

How is it possible that the crackpot who would write these things can be seriously in the running to be president of the United States?  For a second time!  Is half the country under a spell?

Calling people stupid names like a 10-year-old boy might do, and thinking it’s funny.

It’s totally absurd.  The man needs professional help.

I know we’ve seen these rants for years, but this is nuts.  Have we seen so much of this that crazy-meters aren’t picking up the signal?

Enough from me, I’ll let Liberal Redneck take it from here.  It only took him one line to describe Trump exactly as I did up top.  h/t eclare for Liberal Redneck.

Open thread.

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  2. 2.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    It pained me to hear Kamala say at the PA rally, “we are the underdog”  I am very optimistic, more so every day. But how is being the underdog even remotely plausible?

    I think what I mean is that it pains me to think any human could hear what comes out of that guy’s mouth and think, “yeah I want that guy in charge.” Let alone almost half the country.

  8. 8.

    E.

    I have spent so much energy in the last eight years trying to understand how any of this is even possible. How people I know and formerly respected can fall for it. I haven’t gotten any closer to the answer, either. I’m completely bewildered.

  9. 9.

    waspuppet

    Let’s not forget Trump’s split-screen “Don’t I look like Elvis?” tweet.

    And by some incredible coincidence, our wealthy media class have suddenly decided that actually they’re NOT board-certified geriatric neurologists and that they WON’T be speculating on an elderly presidential candidate’s mental fitness for the next three months. Truly there is no explanation whatsoever for this.

  10. 10.

    Steve LaBonne

    We had better have an underdog mentality all the way to November, no matter what. Complacency would be deadly.

  12. 12.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    He “hears there is a big movement.”

    Uh oh, hearing voices is not a good sign.

  13. 13.

    Old School

    Biden is going to try to reclaim the nomination and the first thing he’ll do is challenge Trump to a debate?

    The Underpants Gnomes had better strategic thinking.

  14. 14.

    Steve LaBonne

    @waspuppet: Especially when we know they’ll try every trick in the book to steal it. The bigger the margin, the harder that will be.

  15. 15.

    JoyceH

    I had the exact same feeling earlier today. How is it even POSSIBLE that this obviously deranged man can be seriously considered to be given the ability to commit troops to combat, to launch nukes? I sort of get the GOP politicians. They want power. But what are the voters getting out of it? How can it not embarras them to put a Trump sign in front of their house?

  16. 16.

    CaseyL

    Why is the race a tie? Many reasons.

    The rich love, not Trump, but his movement: no taxes, no regulations, and no protections for lesser beings.

    The scumbags of the US love Trump because he makes them feel powerful and righteous.

    The media loves Trump because he pleases their owners (see “the rich”) and makes their own jobs absurdly easy.

    The US has, over the past 40 years, gutted its public school educational system of curricula teaching critical thinking, and of most if not all civics classes, so we have an ignorant, credulous population that doesn’t know how government works and is vulnerable to plausible con artists.

    The US has also, for the past 30 years, allowed a foreign-controlled media empire to blast anti-American propaganda 24/7, with no restraint, no controls, and no pushback from other media outlets.

    That’s how and why.

  18. 18.

    UncleEbeneezer

    Not sure if this has been posted in the multiple threads yet but Teen Vogue has the story on the camo hat:

    On August 6, VP Kamala Harris posted a video asking Minnesota Governor Tim Walz to join the ticket as her vice presidential nominee. He gleefully accepted from his living room, where he was sitting on a wicker chair wearing a black t-shirt, khakis, bright white sneakers, and a camo hat. He was projecting, wittingly or not, those same everyday-person values the Republican Party has desperately tried to claim. Except he is different. He is a champion for so many issues that the party rails against – LGBTQ+ rights, abortion rights, gun reform (though he says he’s a proud gun owner), and more.

    Within minutes, social media picked up on the outfit, comparing the hat to the one singer Chappell Roan sells with her merch and calling them both our countries’ Midwest princesses. The campaign quickly launched a version of it on its official merch site, which they say is union-made in the United States—an important note when labor rights and climate change are at the top of the Democratic policy list. The campaign confirmed to Teen Vogue that 3,000 hats were made and sold out in 30 minutes and as of publication, nearly $1 million worth of hats have been purchased. The camo hat now has a meaning beyond what it ever did before.

    Of course, the camo was everywhere before this year, from its history in military uniforms to the heads of hunters in Ohio to the fashionable streets of New York City and Los Angeles. You can buy in at an army surplus store like a Realtree or, in contrast, from luxury brands like Acne or Givenchy. It’s already a signifier of something for people who both sincerely wear the trend (maybe they hunt, or are in the military, or are just a dad who likes the woods) and people who ironically wear the pattern for fashion (they’re in on a trend that takes something not necessarily meant for style and made it fashion).

    Now, young people are not only claiming it, they are changing its meaning. Where the camo cap was a symbol of conservatism, particularly because of its association with guns and the military, it now represents a different kind of freedom. Walz’s version of freedom is where you can live in a small town and “mind your own business” about what others want to do with their bodies and lives. Or Chappell Roan’s, where you can come from a small town and maintain that aspect of your identity alongside being part of the “pink pony club.”

    While the Trump campaign also sells a camo hat, its weight isn’t the same. They have their sartorial symbol already. The camo hat might just be the one that breaks through for the Democrats, who haven’t had the simple signifier of shared values.

  19. 19.

    KrackenJack

    I wonder if TCFG’s team is keeping him away from rallies by telling him that he has “the votes he needs” and that Vance can do the hard work of campaigning. They know any exposure beyond incel interviews would be catastrophic.

  20. 20.

    JML

    this is just attempts to draw “cheap heat” in pro wrestling parlance. He’s fine with democrats being furious at him, all that matters is getting the spotlight back on him. Boos, cheers, doesn’t matter to TFG’s strategy so long as he sucks all the oxygen out of the room, as long as he keeps the camera on him.

    It’s been somewhat effective for him before, and it keeps him from having to talk about anything policy-related. I assume he’s doing this to try and drown out all the attention being put on Walz before Walz has a chance to define himself for the voters and while they’re riding all this earned media for the ticket.

    Not sure it’s going to fly this time because a) it’s so unhinged, and b) right now the fickle media is perfectly happy to fill it’s airwaves with the flavor of the month in Tim Walz so long as he draws the ratings that TFG would have given them. And right now…Harris and Walz are better draws.

  23. 23.

    Scout211

    @BR: The electoral college. Dems need 5-6% nationally to take the EC.

    Center for Politics has updated their electoral college ratings. (I can’t remember, is this a quality group?)

    Georgia
    Leans Republican>>>Toss-up

    Minnesota
    Leans Democratic>>>Likely Democratic

    New Hampshire
    Leans Democratic>>>Likely Democratic

     

    These changes mean that all of the electoral votes that Trump carried in 2020 continue to at least lean to him, although we do wonder if North Carolina may become a true Toss-up if Harris’s upward trajectory continues. All of the electoral votes in places where Biden did better than his 4.5-point national popular margin at least lean to Harris. The 6 states that Biden won by smaller margins than his national margin are Toss-ups.

     

    In terms of the overall trajectory of the 2024 race, there has been no shortage of whiplash since late June. The fast-breaking developments since the debate have been a lot for those of us who follow politics for a living to process, let alone for voters who are just tuning into the campaign. Perhaps by Labor Day, when both of the party conventions will have concluded, the nature of the race will be less fluid. But for now, we feel its warranted to move at least a few states back in the Democrats’ direction.

  28. 28.

    Steve LaBonne

    @JML: And a lot of his stuff, like the debate chickening, comes across as weak. His whole appeal to the scumbags is based on dominance, and right now he’s the one being dominated. With a bit of luck this could become a real problem for him, dampening the enthusiasm of his voters and making it less likely they’ll bother voting.

  29. 29.

    Ohio Mom

    I always go back to the moment Trump started stalking Hillary on the debate stage. That was a pivotal moment for me.

    I could hardly believe what I was seeing, that was as far as possible from being “presidential.” I was sure it had to be the end of him.

    But it wasn’t, and I have remained gobsmacked ever since. So I know the feeling WaterGirl is describing.

  32. 32.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @KrackenJack:

    Can’t remember where I saw it, but the Harris HQ social media team posted (on Truth Social, which was most excellent burn!) comparative candidate rally schedules for the week:

    Kamala Harris

    • 8/6: Pennsylvania
    • 8/7: Michigan
    • 8/7: Wisconsin
    • 8/8: North Carolina
    • 8/9: Arizona
    • 8/10: Nevada

    Donald Trump

    • 8/9: Montana

     

    L.O.L.

  33. 33.

    Scout211

    @Ohio Mom: I always go back to the moment Trump started stalking Hillary on the debate stage. That was a pivotal moment for me.

    For me it was the Access Hollywood tape.  And I didn’t have anything good to say about him prior to that.  And after the Access Hollywood tape it went down further.  I had no idea of just how low my opinion of anyone could sink.  And it’s not over yet.

  34. 34.

    Hoodie

    @Steve LaBonne: He seem to have lost his touch in playing his typical dominance games.  He fucked up slagging on Brian Kemp.   There was no reason to do it and that guy could get pissed and pull the rug out from under him.  Now he’s got JD chasing Kamala and Tim around the country and a stalking tour while he sharts out this nonsense.  It makes him look weak and weird.  Dumbass JD is telling reporters Kamala should debate him, which also makes Trump look weak.

  37. 37.

    Steve LaBonne

    @Baud: And vicariously, via Trump, being the vicious bullies they wish they could actually get away with being in their sad little lives.

  38. 38.

    Leto

    @CaseyL: lot of truth with this.

     

    @UncleEbeneezer: while I won’t wear camo due to its specific meaning to me, I’m also glad that we’re reclaiming more symbols that conservatives have perverted. Good on’em.

  39. 39.

    dmsilev

    @Ohio Mom: I really wish that, in the moment, she had whipped out a can of pepper spray and given him a good solid dose straight in the face.

  40. 40.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    @Ohio Mom: I always go back to the moment Trump started stalking Hillary on the debate stage. That was a pivotal moment for me.

    Same for me. I wish, wish, WISH she had had the presence of mind to turn to him and say, “back off!”

  41. 41.

    catclub

    @Steve LaBonne: And vicariously, via Trump, being the vicious bullies they wish they could actually get away with being in their sad little lives.

     

    Go look up ‘Authoritarian Followers’ and there will be a picture of them.

     

    The problem is how many people have been raised to be that way.

  42. 42.

    suzanne

    Have we seen so much of this that crazy-meters aren’t picking up the signal?

    I mean….. what are we gonna say at this point? He’s been saying batshit crazy nonsense for almost a decade and we all know it’s bad and yet a large swath of the country is absolutely unconvinceable. Like, by now…. the only thing left to do is beat this guy.

  44. 44.

    Leto

    This was from yesterday, but this is wild. Def click over to view the video:

    U.S. Artistic Swimming Team Moonwalking While Underwater Is Wildest Video of Olympics

    The U.S. artistic swimming team hit the pool Monday in Paris and put on quite a show, which included them moonwalking to Michael Jackson’s classic song, “Smooth Criminal.”

    The team, which consists of nine women, had too much fun with this routine. It helped them get into fourth place after the first day of the competition.

  46. 46.

    different-church-lady

    What are the chances that… [insane blather that will never go questioned by the media]

    Uh… zero?

  47. 47.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @Leto: My wife is considering buying one, once they are available again, but I don’t know if I could.  I’ve been avoiding camo forever because to me it has always been associated with dudes cos-playing as soldiers/warriors and gun-nuts.  I also just don’t really like the way it looks for my personal style.

  48. 48.

    different-church-lady

    Okay, first of all, +.5

    With that acknowledged, WHAT THE EVERLOVING FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE MEDIA IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE THEY SEE THE GOP NOMINEE BLATHERING THIS SHIT AND THEY’RE JUST LIKE “uhh, well, a lot of people want to vote for him so I guess we just have to ignore it and pretend this is normal…”

  50. 50.

    different-church-lady

    @Scout211: I admit to somewhat hiding my head in the sand. So this looks great, not trying to debate that, but I’ve only had the courage to look at the WaPo averages and they don’t seem to be moving at all during the past 3 or 4 days.

  51. 51.

    Anyway

    I was in the car and heard some of the Eau Clare rally where the crowd burst into chants of “Thank you Joe” after KH brought up Pres Biden and how much he had done. The DNC is going to  be a love-fest for Biden.

  53. 53.

    Scout211

    @Leto: That link goes to Apple News. I went looking for other sources and was glad I did. That was cool!

    Here’s a clever You Tube version interspersed with clips of Michael Jackson himself.

  55. 55.

    Leto

    @UncleEbeneezer: you know, I thought it was cute. Avalune considered buying one but she doesn’t really wear hats. But for me camo was my professional uniform and I don’t wear it anymore. Also, and I freely admit it’s my own bias, I associate it with rednecks and hicks. Not to mention the Meal Team 6 cosplayers.

    But if people want to buy it, and wear it, in solidarity, and a way to repudiate some of those stereotypes, more power to them. Two thumbs up here.

  58. 58.

    Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)

    So, the Tangerine Scrotum is admitting that Biden’s the president? Finally? That means the 2020 election was legitimate. The MAGAt crowd will be amazed.

  59. 59.

    KatKapCC

    @JoyceH:

    But what are the voters getting out of it?

    Watching other people suffer. That’s it. They know that women*, gay people, POC, trans people, immigrants, poor people, etc etc will suffer. And they want them to. That’s it.

    (*Yes, a lot of women vote for Republicans. Call it ingrained misogyny, call it pickme, call it Cool Girl, call it whatever…they know other women will suffer and they think they themselves won’t. Same as with members of any other marginalized group that supports the GOP.)

  61. 61.

    The Kropenhagen Interpretation

    @Anyway: The DNC is going to be a love-fest for Biden.

    He deserves it. And this will be a killer opportunity for Ds to set the narrative around Biden stepping down and how the work he and Harris were doing together continues to be necessary.

  62. 62.

    Rick Taylor

    After George Bush flubbed his first debate with Al Gore, I was convinced he  couldn’t possibly win the election. I was shocked when he became President (even if it was as close as it was).

    When George Bush ran for a second term, I was convinced he couldn’t win. The economy was down, and by that time it was obvious to everyone he’d taken us to war and there were no weapons of mass destruction. I was shocked when he won a second term.

    When Donald Trump ran to be the Republican nominee, I was convinced he couldn’t win. He was an obvious con man, with no qualifications for the office President; he made George Bush look like a great statesman in comparison. I was shocked when he won the Republican nomination.

    But of course I was convinced he couldn’t win the election against Hillary Clinton. That was impossible.

    Suffice it to say I’ve come to the conclusion I have no idea how half this country thinks. It doesn’t make any sense to me, and I no longer make any predictions.

  67. 67.

    chrisanthemama

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Being the underdog is motivating for a lot of us–and at this point, with the structural inequity of the Electoral College, being up 2-3% in national polls (when you need to clear 6-7% to offset the EC’s fckery) really is being the underdog.  ETA:  I see other commenters have made the same point I’m belatedly making :+)

  70. 70.

    catclub

    @snoey: sensible explanations are no fun.

    It could be fun if he makes enough of a hash of supporting anyone besides himself.

  72. 72.

    West of the Rockies

    I hear a lot about how the cult of Trump ends (with his arrest, death, or a new leader steps up).  Here’s my take…

    It’s predicated on Trump losing.  If he does (I think he will), he will be too old in ’28 to go again.  I think a whisper campaign begins about his age, infirmity, growing confusion.  Maybe they admit dementia or serious heart disease.   Maybe, at worst, if convicted he is held in Mar-a-Lago.

    And then they simply stop talking about him.  Irrelevance is his legacy.  The GOP acts like he never happened.  Possibly Limbaugh (were he still alive) could have stepped up and taken over, but no one else has Trump’s bizarre hold on wingnuts.

    Instead, I think a small group of semi-sane moderates steps up to lead the party out of darkness, all the while simply ignoring the old man.  Sort of like how Jack Nicholson and Gene Hackman and Bruce Willis all stopped acting and kind of faded away.

  73. 73.

    The Kropenhagen Interpretation

    @catclub: sensible explanations are no fun.

    And no more likely than an insane explanation when discussing Trump

  74. 74.

    Sure Lurkalot

    @CaseyL: Let’s not forget Buckley v Valeo, Bellotti, Citizen’s United.

    I don’t see the corporate personhood/money is speech fuckery ending anytime soon.

  75. 75.

    JaySinWA

    @Steve LaBonne: We also need some choice words for the “reporters” and “editors” who continue to pretend that this is normal.

    They’ve got their horserace blinkers on (or blinders) making sure they don’t see the inconvenient truths coming at them.

  76. 76.

    Hoodie

    @catclub: And which he will win quite easily.  I guess this is about going after Tester, but the GOP candidate should have his head examined for having Trump show up there.  He doesn’t need Trump’s help and it can only do harm.  My guess it’s just because he thinks he’ll get an adoring audience.

  78. 78.

    WaterGirl

    @dmsilev: Nah.  Whip ut the spray, sure, and turn to Donald and say “this is the spray I keep in my purse for stalkers.  Are you going to step back, or am I going to have to use this?”

  79. 79.

    Citizen Alan

    @Sure Lurkalot: People are always proposing Constitutional Amendments. I would propose the following:

    Amend. XXVIII. The word “person” as used in this Constitution shall refer exclusively to natural persons. Fictitious persons shall have no rights not expressly granted by Congress or the states.

  81. 81.

    WaterGirl

    @Leto: Too much fun?  What does that mean?

    edit: Stupid Apple News.  If you have a mac and are not set up with News, which i am not, it doesn’t let you see anything.

  82. 82.

    Dangerman

    My great grandmother would have checked out if she voted for a Democrat. Hmmm, she dearly departed in 72, no idea if she voted for Nixon.

  85. 85.

    karen gail

    @Ohio Mom: I remember seeing that and asked a friend if she still planned to vote for Trump; she wanted know why I thought she would change her mind. I told her that he was a sexual predator willing to stalk Hillary on national media and a person who couldn’t be trusted. Ex-friend had no clue what I was upset about, but then I remembered she has been “safe” all her life and has no idea how evil a person can be to do that without remorse or fear of consequences.

  86. 86.

    Chacal Charles Calthrop

    @West of the Rockies: Bush got memory-holed pretty quickly, as I recall.  Trump will be the same.  I am curious as to who will be next in line as the Republican candidate, though.

    Pretty sure it won’t be Vance……

  87. 87.

    Scout211

    @WaterGirl: If you have a mac and are not set up with News, which i am not, it doesn’t let you see anything.

    Yeah, we are an all Apple household but refuse to set up Apple News.  I did post a you tube link at #53 of the performances interspersed with old Michael Jackson clips.

  88. 88.

    NotMax

    @Citizen Alan

    The Mr. Natural amendment?
    :)

    (Actually, I’d suggest altering it to living persons, quashing a possible legal challenge in favor of generated likenesses and voices of the deceased by Hollywood and suchlike.)

  90. 90.

    JaySinWA

    @Chacal Charles Calthrop: The Bush memory hole was easier to manage since George went largely into seclusion.

    Unfortunately I suspect posthumous Trump will be Reagan-ized with hagiography religiously applied, pancake makeup style. They already do it while still alive.

  91. 91.

    Geminid

    @snoey: I’ve been seeing internet Tim Sheehy ads with a picture of him standing next to former Rep. Tulsi Gabbard. She endorsed him a couple months. Weird.

  92. 92.

    TBone

    Video at link:

    In his first TV interview since exiting the 2024 race, President Biden tells CBS News’

    @costareports

    he’s “not confident at all” that a peaceful transfer of power will happen in January 2025 if former President Donald Trump loses. “He means what he says. We don’t take him seriously. He means it.” Watch more of the interview this Sunday on CBS Sunday Morning.

    https://x.com/CBSSunday/status/1821291679921422394

  98. 98.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    Late to this thread but as many others have said already, you’re far from alone. What’s even more bizarre to me is how much the “Grey Lady” – the sophisticated grad Damme of American journalism – and other prestige news outlets are actively carrying water for this ludicrous, mean,  crass, boorish, dipshit moron.

    Like, shouldn’t they be looking askance through their lorgnettes tisking loudly as they say “How gauche! Such things are just not DONE in American politics!” Instead they’re actively working against the forces of normalcy. It’s truly nuts.

  104. 104.

    TF79

    I used to read/hear stuff from Republicans and think “well, I disagree with that!” Now I read/hear this stuff and honestly have no idea what they’re talking about – there’s no “there” there to even disagree with. All the real “there” is buried in Project 2025-esque stuff

  105. 105.

    Dadadadadadada

    So, let me get this straight: Kamabla (sic) and company unconstitutionally stole the nomination from Joe Biden, who is unfit for office and was in fact never the legitimate president, having stolen the 2020 election from its true winner, one Donald J. Trump? Is that what happened?

  107. 107.

    kindness

    So…When it comes to pass after election day that there is going to be a Democratic trifecta taking over all 3 branches of Congress, when will the right wing nutz stage their coup?  Won’t be Jan 6th.  On January 6th the House will be controlled by Democrats.  Guess they have some decisions to make.

  108. 108.

    Slightly_peeved

    @The Kropenhagen Interpretation:

    as someone who thought Biden stepping down would be a bad idea, particularly because of the lack of representatives getting behind Harris, one of the things that made me feel like this might actually work was the immediate narrative that Biden stepping down was a noble sacrifice in the vein of Cincinnatus or Washington himself. I think you want to hammer that narrative as much as possible. Keep people thinking Cincinnatus rather than Caesar.

  109. 109.

    Slightly_peeved

    @chrisanthemama:

    I’m not sure this is still true, though; this article from 538 before Biden dropped out calculated that Biden only had a 1 point deficit in the EC compared to polls. It modeled Harris as having a 4-point deficit, but that was based on the polling of Harris before she was the candidate and a lot’s changed since then: https://abcnews.go.com/538/kamala-harris-stronger-candidate-biden/story?id=111656941

    You may want to claim underdog status regardless of the evidence for it, of course.

  110. 110.

    Misterpuff

    @kindness:

    I don’t think they’ve gamed it out (as usual, since they seem to be firm believers in the underpants gnomes).

    They seem to believe

    If the returns are against them:

    1.  A blizzard of lawsuits (hoping Trump judges come through)
    2. Suborned Secretaries of State withhold certification of the balloting.
    3. The House under Pastor Mike tries to mess with Constitutional Count of Electoral College voting
    4. Something
    5. Something
    6. Donald J. Trump named POTUS.

    Of course, this time the Vice President leading the count will be Kamal Harris (MAGA will make a big point of a VP overseeing her own election, although they never complained when Mike Pence was presiding over his own ticket’s election until he failed to support the Dear Leader.)

    But SCOTUS can def screw with the whole thing. Maybe they are The Underpants Gnomes!

  111. 111.

    bluefoot

    @CHETAN R MURTHY: Yeah, the EC is big a structural problem.  Plus the last few years (2016 onward, but especially 2020 onwards) have taught me not to underestimate the difference in what people say and what they do….even as a WOC I hugely underestimated the misogyny and especially racism in the country, even in people close to me.

    Still, I have hope, not just for the election but perhaps the MAGA fever will break.

  112. 112.

    WaterGirl

    @Misterpuff: I think they have gamed it out.  I think there’s a whole team of people planning and coordinating to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

    If I’m right, I hope those people are immediately arrested for sedition or whatever legal term best fits.

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