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Editorial Board Twitter Thread

by WaterGirl|  August 14, 20243:52 pm| 326 Comments

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I heard there was a bit of a kerfuffle related to this tweet thread.  Here’s a post for those who can’t see this on twitter or don’t want to use twitter.  I did not see an unrolled version.  If there is one, someone post a link in the comments and I’ll add it.   Thanks, WereBear!

What do you guys think?  Is this a big deal?

Kamala Harris is taking power back from the press corps. She learned from Biden’s fatal error. A THREAD.

1. The first thing you need to know about the vice president’s approach to the Washington press corps is look how well she’s doing as a result. Kamala Harris is now leading Donald Trump in some national polling averages as well as in some swing-state polls.

2. True, her lead is within the margin of error in most cases, but that’s an improvement from where the Democrats were before Joe Biden dropped out of the running and orchestrated instantaneous unification around his second-in-command.

3. I don’t think I’m overstating things. Her lead, the millions she’s bringing in, the thousands who are signing up to help, the big big mo’ – I think all of it comes directly from her campaign’s decision not to give the press corps too much access too fast.

4. I think that decision comes directly from the fact that Harris saw firsthand what the press corps did to Joe Biden’s campaign.

5. Some members of the press corps have noticed how well Harris is doing without them, and apparently, it doesn’t sit right. Here’s Chris Cillizza with a representative sampling.

6. The former Post writer said the vice president has been “almost entirely” ignoring the media since she launched her campaign, and that’s bad, he said.

7. Cillizza: It “bypasses the argument that the media is a critical part of our political system and any candidate who wants to be president — whether they are winning or losing — should be regularly subjected to scrutiny from the press.”

8. Even if I agreed that candidates who want to be president should be regularly subjected to media scrutiny, I don’t think this press corps, as it is currently organized, is able to.

9. There are exceptions, of course, but this press corps is generally not equipped to scrutinize candidates on matters of fact and substance. I say this because this press corps has conspicuously traded matters of fact and substance for vibes.

10. It didn’t matter what Joe Biden did – pull the country out of a pandemic, dodge a recession, tame inflation, grow jobs, revive every single one of the “left behind” counties that voted for Trump in 2016 because of “economic anxiety” – it *didn’t matter* what Joe Biden did.

11. The press corps decided nothing was more important than his age, and lo! 2024 became an election about vibes and vibes ended his candidacy.

12. Vibes are this press corps’ forte, not fact and substance. If fact and substance were its strength, there would have been a different reaction to The Disaster Debate during which Biden talked about policy and issues while Trump didn’t bother.

13. Trump was incoherent and false, but he came off as confident and strong, and he came off as that way, because the press corps’ forte isn’t fact and substance.

14. If fact and substance were important, there would also have been a different reaction to Biden’s NATO press conference last month. He did it after the Disaster Debate to show he still had what it takes. He talked for an hour about foreign affairs, international laws and war.

15. But this press corps didn’t hear any of that after Biden said “Vice President Trump” by mistake. There’s no grace for the old in Washington, nor is there interest in anything but vibes in the Washington press corps.

16. There was a time when liberals and Democrats would have nodded in agreement with Chris Cillizza on the merit of candidates being regularly subjected to scrutiny.

17. But after this press corps made a fetish of Biden’s age, I don’t see any more room for the benefit of the doubt – and there’s no going back.

18. This press corps made the election about vibes and it’s going to remain an election about vibes, and if those vibes now grind against the instincts of this press corps, tough shit. You reap what you sow.

19. In the future, we might look back and see the most important difference between the Biden and Harris campaigns is their level of trust in the press corps.

20. The president believed voters would reward him for the substantial things he has done, and he trusted – indeed, he depended on – the press corps to inform voters, as it’s supposed to.

21. But where he saw fact and substance, the press corps saw only vibes. And in depending on the press corps to get his message across to voters, Biden effectively handed over power that was rightfully his.

22. He allowed the press corps to be the principal arbiters of his reality, rather than reserving that right for himself. You could say Biden was waiting for power to be given to him and he suffered gravely for it.

23. By contrast, the Harris campaign is not letting the press corps wedge itself between her and voters. She is not allowing the news media to mediate her message. She’s preventing the press corps from speaking for her and she’s preventing it from exercising a veto on her speech.

24. In that, she is *taking power* – defining her campaign as well as Trump’s. She is turning the narrative about Biden’s age (81) back against Trump’s (78), such that whatever he says in self-defense is seen as proof of the allegations against him.

25. This decision leaves the press corps on the outside looking in. She’s sustaining a conversation with voters directly, on her own terms, and she’s doing well as a direct consequence of that decision.

26. But being on the outside looking in feels bad to people who see themselves as the adjudicators of American politics. They have incentive to turn attention back to where they think it belongs.

27. That’s why some are busy manufacturing a phony moral standard by which to scam Harris into playing by their rules. That phony moral standard goes something like this, courtesy today of Chris Cillizza:

28. He’s being coy but, in essence, he’s saying that Harris is violating some kind of taboo, or worse, that she’s hiding something of great importance from voters. This, of course, is favorable to her opponents, but let’s be clear: she’s violating *nothing*.

29. There is no lawbook declaring that candidates shall talk to reporters. There is a playbook, if that’s what you mean, but not a lawbook. The vice president could go the whole time without talking to one reporter and she would not have done anything morally wrong.

30. I will repeat myself till I burst. This is a democracy. Harris is obliged to talk to Americans. That’s the end of her obligation. She’s not obliged to talk to the press corps, as if it were a constituency. If she stopped talking to voters, that would be disqualifying.


Link to the above article at #35.

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  1. 1.

    BR

    August 14, 2024 at 3:56 pm

    I was surprised to find Morning Joe of all places saying bluntly that the media is biased in favor of the GOP and also being very clear in agreeing with Biden and Sanders that the GOP is setting up an argument to contest the election if they lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUVHe2Tb0L0

  2. 2.

    WereBear

    August 14, 2024 at 3:56 pm

    Here’s from my history.

    Unrolled Thread

  3. 3.

    WereBear

    August 14, 2024 at 3:58 pm

    @BR: President Biden didn’t have confidence Trump won’t turn to violence if he loses.

    I figure he’s planning something.

  4. 4.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2024 at 3:59 pm

    WaterGirl, you receive the e-mail sent August 9?

  5. 5.

    columbusqueen

    August 14, 2024 at 4:00 pm

    @WereBear: Yep. It’s going to be a different ball game with Joe controlling the troops.

  6. 6.

    JaySinWA

    August 14, 2024 at 4:00 pm

    Here’s the link to the article from the last screen shot

    https://www.editorialboard.com/kamala-harris-is-taking-power-back-from-the-press-corps/

  7. 7.

    BR

    August 14, 2024 at 4:01 pm

    @WereBear:

    It makes a big difference to have the White House until 1/20/25 this time around. The thing I worry about most is there have been reports over the years that a lot of DOJ rank and file (not leadership) are MAGA. The question is whether they will follow orders.

  8. 8.

    PJ

    August 14, 2024 at 4:01 pm

    I can’t disagree with this analysis.  Kamala should talk to the press when it benefits her campaign, not when it benefits the press.

  9. 9.

    Kelly

    August 14, 2024 at 4:02 pm

    Frank Lutz can’t find enough young female undecided voters to hold a focus group. Seems they all support Harris

    https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/08/gop-pollster-on-trump-harris-i-havent-seen-anything-like-this.html

  10. 10.

    rikyrah

    August 14, 2024 at 4:03 pm

    Yeah…you saw the post….Thanks for posting this :)

  11. 11.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 4:04 pm

    The criticism about Biden doesn’t ring true to me, and in any event, it seems odd to compare Biden and Harris given in this manner given how little time has passed.

    I think there’s a universal rule that if you want to get noticed, find a Dem to criticize.

  12. 12.

    rikyrah

    August 14, 2024 at 4:04 pm

    @WereBear:

    @BR: President Biden didn’t have confidence Trump won’t turn to violence if he loses.

    I figure he’s planning something.

    He’s gutless. He will ask the rubes to commit violence.

    I shrug. If they want to go to jail for him….oh well.

  13. 13.

    BR

    August 14, 2024 at 4:05 pm

    @columbusqueen: ​

    There’s another advantage to Dems if Trump is falling back on contesting the votes — he makes it more likely that he’ll lose big, and that there’ll be states that he doesn’t have a GOP legislature to rely upon.

  14. 14.

    Kay

    August 14, 2024 at 4:05 pm

    As I said yesterday, I don’t agree with this take. I think it’s really important we stay close to normie voters – try to think like they do-  and I fear a pissing match with media takes us away from that. It’s backward looking and wholly negative IMO and I think we have a winning message that is forward looking and positive.

    I think Kamala Harris is doing well because she’s talented and people like her so far – I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that. But I’m confident Harris will do interviews with mainstream media of her choosing soon, because it’s an easy way to reach a whole bunch of people who aren’t political junkies.

  15. 15.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 4:07 pm

    @Baud: Yeah. I don’t agree with the analysis of Biden.

  16. 16.

    bbleh

    August 14, 2024 at 4:07 pm

    I’m less worried about insurrection than I am about sabotage that lands things in court, because the Supremes won’t hesitate to throw the election to the Felon (likely via the House).

    We have to SWAMP them at the polls. The Narrative must be clear and fixed by late election night.

    And yeah the article is spot-on, but it’s nothing anybody who’s been paying attention didn’t know. The Obama WH knew it 15 years ago, and I think Joe knew it too, though he tried to be a nice guy. But it’s refreshing to see it put out there in the open and so explicitly by a member of the profession.

  17. 17.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 4:07 pm

    Kamala will do the interviews but I’m not opposed to social media telling the media that she shouldn’t do the interviews.

  18. 18.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 4:09 pm

    @Baud: What is the big information value of Trump talking to the media when they stage it at his house in such a way that you can’t hear the questions, and the reporters don’t push back on the answers? (As analyzed in that Lawrence O’Donnell video.)

  19. 19.

    Sean

    August 14, 2024 at 4:10 pm

    @Kay:

    I don’t think the take is “she shouldn’t talk to the media” it is more she shouldn’t (and isn’t) letting them dictate the terms of when and how they do. Which is a good and valid point.

    She and her team can best strategize when and how to speak to the media to frame their arguments from a position of strength, rather than appeasing the NYT and WAPOs of the world hanging a countdown clock over her head saying “it’s been X amount of days WHERE IS KAMALA?” Fuck them and that.

    She’s said she’s working on a long form sit down, arena TBD, she’s definitely going to reach out to voters using news media, just not on the arbitrary and navel gazing terms they set for her.

  20. 20.

    Citizen Alan

    August 14, 2024 at 4:10 pm

    Honestly, I am disgusted by the fact that Dems were still willing to talk to that fucking pig Chris Cilliza after “Mad Bitch Beer.” That should have been the end of Cilliza being considered anything other than an enemy of the Democratic Party.

  21. 21.

    bbleh

    August 14, 2024 at 4:10 pm

    @Kelly: lol. He needs to hang out in more diners in Ohio, or maybe Alabama.

  22. 22.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 4:11 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    “Trump said X. How will Harris respond?”

  23. 23.

    kwAwk

    August 14, 2024 at 4:11 pm

    What I notice is that some of the media is demanding that Harris submit to an interview and questioning, but nobody is saying that Trump should be subjecting himself to questioning about the Mara Lago documents case, the Jan 6th case against him or the election tampering case against him in Georgia.

    He really should have to sit down and talk to the American people about these charges before he’s allowed to be President again.  His 5th amendment rights don’t apply to media interviews and if he is as innocent as he claims, he shouldn’t have anything to fear.

    The American people deserve to know what he was doing when the Jan 6th riots were happening.

    I actually support Harris not talking to the media at this point.  It’s keeping the focus on Trump and he is melting down spectacularly.

  24. 24.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    August 14, 2024 at 4:11 pm

    @Kelly: wow! Great link 👍

  25. 25.

    Sid

    August 14, 2024 at 4:12 pm

    What do I think?

    Bam!

  26. 26.

    Kay

    August 14, 2024 at 4:13 pm

    Back in the day we would have said this was too “meta”. Too much political junkies talking to other political junkies and media and rehashing old battles over and over. Obviously I’m not a normie but imagine being one and there’s this whole elaborate discussion about the NYTimes and CNN going back to Bush v Gore. They’re not going to feel part of this or get this at all, is my guess.

    The campaign has to stay grounded. I’m confident they will. If people on social media want to work the refs that’s a good thing, probably. But I don’t think the campaign should go anywhere near that.

  27. 27.

    bbleh

    August 14, 2024 at 4:13 pm

    @Baud: something something Questions something Clouds something

  28. 28.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 14, 2024 at 4:14 pm

    @Kay: ​ 

    Meh, her positions are out there and the press could report on them. They just want to be hand fed. There is still the convention, and once that’s over, the return to some normalcy in press access will shift. For now, though, ignore them all, create your brand on your terms and let them follow.

    And has been mentioned by numerous others, start off with local and regional news outlets, that reaches people in am more direct fashion than major cable news outlets.

  29. 29.

    Tractarian

    August 14, 2024 at 4:14 pm

    @Kay:

    I think it’s really important we stay close to normie voters – try to think like they do-  and I fear a pissing match with media takes us away from that.

    I agree with this sentiment. But what makes you think doing big-media interviews and frequent press conferences will allow Kamala to avoid the “pissing match”?

    Seems to me the media is mainly motivated by a relentless (and deeply misguided) desire to seem “even-handed” and “non-partisan”, which effectively means Kamala will be subject to a much more exacting standard for honestly and accuracy. That will be true regardless of how many interviews she does…

  30. 30.

    cain

    August 14, 2024 at 4:15 pm

    @WereBear:

    Roger Stone is in the thick of it. Of course, he’s a moron and perhaps the 3 letter agencies could figure it out what it is with a phishing mail.

  31. 31.

    WereBear

    August 14, 2024 at 4:15 pm

    @BR: Since Reagan they have been infiltrating.

    I’ve come to see right wingers as having a dysfunctional mindset. Might be individually bright, but their Swiss Army knife has only three useless gadgets.

    This is how their thinking becomes set in stone.

  32. 32.

    WereBear

    August 14, 2024 at 4:16 pm

    @Kelly: The ladies are not undecided.

  33. 33.

    BR

    August 14, 2024 at 4:16 pm

    @Sean: ​

    I think I agree with Kay and you. Harris should set the terms, not the media. And I would love it if she ignores the NYT specifically. But it’s also a bad idea to just do one “big” interview because the media will try to blow anything from that out of proportion. Better for her to do a dozen interviews back to back in two days, so no one interview is that big of a deal.

  34. 34.

    TBone

    August 14, 2024 at 4:17 pm

    It’s kinda like the old saw about sobriety – if you’re walking down the street and fall into a big hole, next time you walk around the hole. Eventually, you just find a new street.

    Fuck those assholes.

  35. 35.

    WereBear

    August 14, 2024 at 4:17 pm

    @rikyrah: Oh, not worried about MAGAs. But the rest of us.

  36. 36.

    Kay

    August 14, 2024 at 4:18 pm

    @Sean:

    OK. I said my piece. We just have so little time. I hope she stays focused on positive,  forward looking and bringing people in. I’m fairly confident no normie is interested in media analysis and criticism, coming from either the media or the candidate. I know the GOP base eats it up with a spoon when Republicans do it over and over and over but our thing is different (and better).

  37. 37.

    Chris

    August 14, 2024 at 4:19 pm

    To add to the FDR thoughts I had in the last thread:

    FDR had fireside chats because he knew he had to take his case directly to the American people.  If he’d allowed the media to be the unchallenged filter between what he said and what people heard, they simply would have lied their asses off about everything he did.  Because then as now, regardless of their stated or assumed partisan identity, most media outlets were reactionary rags owned by robber-barons who had no interest in seeing liberal politics succeed.

    Finding a way to talk around the media has always been crucial for any liberal administration.  They are not and never have been friends, or even impartial observers.

  38. 38.

    divF

    August 14, 2024 at 4:19 pm

    @Kay:

    But I’m confident Harris will do interviews with mainstream media of her choosing soon, because it’s an easy way to reach a whole bunch of people who aren’t political junkies.

    Assumes facts not in evidence, i.e. that there exists MSM that will allow any sort of communication to occur ?

    (1) Where do normie voters get their news? Certainly not the NYT, which has been a lifestyle paper for the UMC for years now.

    (2) As a business matter, the elite political press has a vested interest in not having anything resembling a good-faith discussion on policy with any democrat – it’s gonna be gotcha questions all the way. What is the value proposition in that for Harris ?

  39. 39.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 4:19 pm

    @Baud: Yeah this thread leaves out the part where Biden was relentlessly bashed for lack of press conferences.  The notion that Biden may have overemphasized the effect of policy on voters is fair.  But saying he had some sort of naive trust of the media, goes against everything we saw over the past year.  Biden had downright contempt for the press corps, and for good reason.

  40. 40.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2024 at 4:20 pm

    shorter:

    this press corps is generally not equipped to scrutinize candidates on matters of fact and substance. I say this because this press corps has conspicuously traded matters of fact and substance for vibes.

    “I’ll hold a press conference when you all agree to actually act like reporters – deal?” – KH, I wish

    and although this is a given and goes without saying, I’m going to say it anyway: fuck Chris Czillizza 

  41. 41.

    gratuitous

    August 14, 2024 at 4:20 pm

    All that and more. But here’s a bit of gristle for the political media to chew on: Why should Vice President Harris give you the time of day when for the past eight years, the felon has called you the enemy of the people? What has been your reaction to that? Do you defend your position as privileged and unique under our Constitution? Or do you let the felon run you down like that without a meep of protest? Do you have that little respect for your own profession? Why is that? The famous formulation is “without fear or favor,” but you’re showing lots of both in the face of the felon’s antipathy.

    If I thought you had an ounce of shame, I’d say, “Shame!”

  42. 42.

    TBone

    August 14, 2024 at 4:21 pm

    @Chris: 👍

  43. 43.

    WereBear

    August 14, 2024 at 4:21 pm

    @cain: Rudy Giuliani was their security consultant. I remember the R’s disastrous first canvassing app. They constantly have audio and video surfacing.

    They aren’t subtle.

  44. 44.

    oldgold

    August 14, 2024 at 4:22 pm

    Like with the age issue, here Trump is being hoisted on his own petard.

    Trump spent considerable time and money making age an issue. Now, he is the oldster in the contest.

    Trump spent considerable time and money deriding the national media as fake. Now, he wants to make an issue of Harris being wary of the national media.

  45. 45.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2024 at 4:23 pm

    @kwAwk: the media is demanding that Harris submit to an interview and questioning, but nobody is saying that Trump should be subjecting himself to questioning about the Mara Lago documents case, the Jan 6th case against him or the election tampering case against him in Georgia.

    THIS

    Or the $10M bribe from Egypt, or the Epstein files, or or or

    Heck, if they’re bored, they should just ask him again about E. Jean Carroll and watch as he costs himself another $80M

  46. 46.

    JCJ

    August 14, 2024 at 4:23 pm

    Hot Ones.  Start there.  Mr Cole posted a link to the interview with Lupita Nyongo’o a while ago.  I just checked – it has 1.7 million views on the Hot Ones youtube channel.  The Jennifer Lawrence interview from last year has 16 million views.  More people would see MVP interviewed on Hot Ones than on any teevee show.

    I am kidding, but many people enjoyed the video where she cooked with Mindy Kaling, so why not.

    Here is the Lupita Nyongo’o interview.  She is great

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv6lwXOff3I

  47. 47.

    cain

    August 14, 2024 at 4:25 pm

    @Kay: I think the problem is that the media is the one who wants the pissing match. Harris will pick the time and place not them. They are trying to force her to the table – just like how the NYT was doing the same to Biden.

  48. 48.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 4:25 pm

    @JCJ:

    She should definitely do new media as well.

  49. 49.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 14, 2024 at 4:26 pm

    OK, I honestly did not have “evangelicals for Harris” on my election bingo card.

    But here they are.

  50. 50.

    Spider-Dan

    August 14, 2024 at 4:26 pm

    Outstanding thread/article.  Perfectly captures the moment.

    The US mainstream media, as currently constructed, cannot be salvaged and should not be trusted.  The Republicans made this decision decades ago, and their constant working of the refs has destroyed the media beyond repair.  All mainstream media should be treated like Fox News at this point.

  51. 51.

    Chief Oshkosh

    August 14, 2024 at 4:26 pm

    @Baud: I agree. Biden did NOT do what the OP is saying. In fact, arguably part of the issue was that Biden refused to interview with the FNYTimes and the rest of the press took it as an insult. Good. they deserved it. Biden didn’t cede any powers to those fucking assholes.

    What actually happened (IMO) is that the press had a hobby horse — ageism, and they rode that horse like a rented mule, like they pounded on butteremails in 2015-16.

    Things have moved too fast for the lazy bums to figure out something to ding Harris with. That, coupled with Harris’ decision to hold rallies with “vibes” (I agree with the OP there – Harris is smart) has kept the lazy bums off balance, and momentarily dazed.

    Fuck ’em, I hope they all fall off an iceberg like the lemmings that they are.

  52. 52.

    Ksmiami

    August 14, 2024 at 4:26 pm

    @divF: unironically, aside from the wsj editorials, business publications have been more reasonable and realistic on the economy and Trumps insanity. It’s a super weird disconnect

  53. 53.

    Sean

    August 14, 2024 at 4:27 pm

    @BR:

    I think she should do as many media avails as she and her team think benefit her message. They’re clearly smart and are on their game, so I think they’ll manage well. I only mentioned the long-form deal because Kamala had already noted it as something she wanted to do at the end of August after this first set of campaign swings. Their strategy will probably morph a dozen different ways by the end of the month, especially post-convention.

  54. 54.

    Scout211

    August 14, 2024 at 4:27 pm

    @Kelly: That was surprisingly good.  Frank Luntz?  Who would have thought?

    For those who can’t link to the article, here’s some highlights.

     

    Republican pollster Frank Luntz appears stunned at the current state of the Kamala Harris-Donald Trump matchup and this year’s presidential election.

    Luntz, who’s been called “The Nostradamus of pollsters” and conducts focus groups, had been bullish on Trump defeating Joe Biden and returning to the White House. Now, he says, he can’t believe what he’s seeing among his focus groups and in the polls.

    “She’s bringing out people who are not interested in voting for either Trump or Biden, so the entire electoral pool has changed and if it continues in this direction you have to start to consider Democrats winning the Senate and Democrats winning the House,” Luntz said Wednesday on CNBC.

    “She’s got intensity now. She’s got an intensity advantage. She’s got a demographic advantage and I haven’t seen anything like this happen in 30 days in my lifetime,” he said. “Now my groups are broken up by young women saying, ‘I’m not voting for him anymore.’”

    He added: “The people who are undecided have all collapsed towards Harris. The people who are ‘weak’ Trump have all collapsed towards undecided.”

  55. 55.

    Chris

    August 14, 2024 at 4:27 pm

    @Baud:

    it seems odd to compare Biden and Harris given in this manner given how little time has passed.

    Yeah, I’d agree with that.

    A ton of the reason Harris is doing so much better is simply because she’s had all the spotlights trained on her for less than a month, after being largely ignored for the last four years and not all that much talked about before then.  As opposed to Biden, who’s had to endure the concentrated fire of every media outlet in the nation for four years, and was already much more defined – and caricatured – in people’s minds even before 2020.

    That and the fact that after nearly a month of utter panic from “knowing” that Biden was screwed and couldn’t win this, Democrats were desperate for a fresh start (and the ones who were sticking by Biden were largely “party not person” enough to transfer loyalties to Harris immediately once the changeover happened).

    None of this is to dump on Harris.  She’s played the hand she has probably as well as could be.  But a ton of what she’s got going for her right now is inevitably going to fade, though hopefully not until after the election.

  56. 56.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 14, 2024 at 4:27 pm

    @Kay: Of her choosing and in her own time.  That’s the key.

  57. 57.

    Dangerman

    August 14, 2024 at 4:28 pm

    I love sweet bread. Some butter, some Ollalieberry Jam (Lynn’s, natch), coupled with a tea, nothing better on a ….

     

    ….oh, shit, needed my glasses. Tweet thread. Carry on.

  58. 58.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2024 at 4:28 pm

    @TBone: thank you!  I had not heard that one before, but just looked it up and wow – what a great metaphor for sobriety and/or ditching things that just aren’t working.

    (There are several versions out there, all of them inspiring!)

    Let’s all find a new street, America!  I hope Harris/Walz work that into their speeches.  It’s past time, that’s for sure.

  59. 59.

    CHETAN R MURTHY

    August 14, 2024 at 4:29 pm

    @JCJ: I read Ariana grande went on hot ones and hit a high note after consuming a particularly spicy one.  I do not mention it to joke, but rather to illustrate its reach: I know nothing of her, yet I learned this

  60. 60.

    SatanicPanic

    August 14, 2024 at 4:30 pm

    3. ALL of the enthusiasm for Harris is because she’s ignoring parts of the media? That’s kinda nuts. People weren’t immediately jumping up to do TikTok edits two days after Biden dropped out because she was ignoring the old line media. They were doing it because they like her.

  61. 61.

    lamh47

    August 14, 2024 at 4:30 pm

    So basically like I’ve said before, the media trying to hard to set narratives against Kamala Harris either to aide chump or just casue they mad that Kamala HQ is so good at setting it’s own narrative and doing so by going around the media’s bias…

  62. 62.

    Ksmiami

    August 14, 2024 at 4:30 pm

    @Chris: no. I think you’re heavily discounting Dobbs and Project 25. And the economy is good, solid. Once normie  people get a good look at the real Republican agenda, they run screaming as they should.

  63. 63.

    Frankensteinbeck

    August 14, 2024 at 4:30 pm

    What this thread leaves out is that the national press creates the vibes.  ‘Biden is old’ became the vibe because the press decided it was, in the same way as ’emails’.  It’s not a simple process, thank goodness.  They have to settle as a group on something that has at least a little traction, and it takes time to turn a molehill into a mountain.

  64. 64.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2024 at 4:31 pm

    @Chris

    “Collapsed” is a loaded term.

  65. 65.

    lamh47

    August 14, 2024 at 4:31 pm

    DAFUQ!!

    how dafuq did Tim Ryan lose to this guy…smh

    I know, I know…it’s Ohio, but come on!!!

    NEW VANCE AUDIO: In an interview from 2020, JD Vance agrees with a podcast host who says having grandmothers help raise children is “the whole purpose of the postmenopausal female.” He also agrees when the host says grandparents helping raise children is a “weird, unadvertised feature of marrying an Indian woman.”
    https://x.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1823811043375907296

  66. 66.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2024 at 4:32 pm

    OT but for what it’s worth, Harris appears to be ahead in polling averages in AZ, and is less than a point behind in NC.

    =)

  67. 67.

    Scout211

    August 14, 2024 at 4:33 pm

    @Kay: As many of us have said, she is planning a sit-down interview at the end of the month. She is not refusing, she is just making sure it’s the right network or news service and the right interviewer.  And she is making sure she gets her message out to the voters FIRST.

    Plus, she was interviewed in Essence Magazine.  There are many normies who read Essence.  

  68. 68.

    Chris

    August 14, 2024 at 4:34 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    Yeah this thread leaves out the part where Biden was relentlessly bashed for lack of press conferences.

    In fact, I remember when people were making this exact argument for Biden, whose comparative reticence to talk to the press was favorably compared to Hillary Clinton’s and held up as a sign that he’d learned the lessons of 2016.

    It didn’t ultimately help, because the press is going to suck up all the air in the room trying to create a scandal whether or not the Democrat engages with them and regardless of how the Democrat engages with them.

  69. 69.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2024 at 4:34 pm

    PS: has anyone else seen Eric Swalwell’s new ad, with trump as a back-to-school bus driver?

    I’m dyin’ here…  =)

  70. 70.

    lamh47

    August 14, 2024 at 4:34 pm

    Also…why say anything when your opponent is crashing on their own?

    Case in point:

    @PettyLupone Advisor: Ok go out there and just talk about the economy. Remember, people want more policy, less Harris attacks. trump: Yeah sure. Advisor: Ok! Good luck, sir! trump:

    @Acyn

    Trump: Now they are putting her on the covers of Time Magazine with an artist sketch. They don’t use a picture. They don’t use a picture, they use an artist sketch. I want to use that artist. I want to find that artist, I like him very much.

    https://x.com/PettyLupone/status/1823819045390762000

  71. 71.

    rikyrah

    August 14, 2024 at 4:34 pm

    @kwAwk:

    What I notice is that some of the media is demanding that Harris submit to an interview and questioning, but nobody is saying that Trump should be subjecting himself to questioning about the Mara Lago documents case, the Jan 6th case against him or the election tampering case against him in Georgia.

     

    Exactly.

  72. 72.

    Sean

    August 14, 2024 at 4:34 pm

    @Kay:

    I’m not arguing with you on that point, but I also don’t see KH or her people taking the approach of antagonizing the press. A lot of folks like the unrolled thread are, but they’re making huge assumptions about KH and her campaign and motivations. I don’t think KH or Walz are interested in a big inside baseball fight with media organizations, or we’d see her rapid response team picking those fights too, and so far, that has not been the case. I think they are looking to get past what is hopefully a successful convention before anything else. If I was betting on anything, I’d guess we’d see a news media rollout strategy after that. I’m curious how they approach it, but given what we’ve seen in 3 weeks, I’m confident they know what they’re doing.

  73. 73.

    Lacuna Synecdoche

    August 14, 2024 at 4:35 pm

    WaterGirl @ Top:

    Here’s a post for those who can’t see this on twitter or don’t want to use twitter.

    As one of the many (I presume) who don’t want to sign in to twitter: Thank you!

  74. 74.

    rikyrah

    August 14, 2024 at 4:35 pm

    @Kelly:

    Frank Lutz can’t find enough young female undecided voters to hold a focus group. Seems they all support Harris

    Gonna say this again…

    Frank is trying to find relevancy.

    The Orange Menace broke up his grift too.

    And, he’s desperate to get it back.

  75. 75.

    Chief Oshkosh

    August 14, 2024 at 4:36 pm

    @Jeffro: Or the $2 BILLION dollars to his fucking son-in-law.

    Hell, the fact that they have access to the hacked emails but won’t touch them tells you everything you need to know. I don’t advocate for doing that per se, but they sure as shit DID do it with Hilary and WILL do it with Harris if presented the opportunity.

  76. 76.

    Betty Cracker

    August 14, 2024 at 4:37 pm

    @Kay: I think you’re right about the political junkie Dem vs normie voter outlook being wildly different as regards the media. I can tell when I’ve lost a normie while making a point that requires that shared backstory.

    One of the many mistakes DeSantis made in his delightfully humiliating presidential run was to assume voters were as online and in the wingnut bubble as he is. Even Iowa primary voters were baffled, and they aren’t as normie as general election voters.

  77. 77.

    Kay

    August 14, 2024 at 4:38 pm

    @Sean:

    but they’re making huge assumptions about KH and her campaign and motivations.

    Agreed. I’m confident it will be fine.

  78. 78.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2024 at 4:39 pm

    @rikyrah

    Luntz is the Carville of the right. Any relevance expired with the last century.

  79. 79.

    sentient ai from the future

    August 14, 2024 at 4:39 pm

    some wag, commenting on how Ol’ Handsome Joe had frozen out FTFNYT, and good lord they were so thirsty over it, especially after going on Howard Fucking Stern, said that he’d be on an episode of Hot Ones before he gave those fash an interview.

    Well, Harris DID grow up in a household eating indian food. and her dad is half-Jamaican. I’m pretty sure she has a pretty decent tolerance for capsicum-based heat, based on those data points alone.

    it’d be pretty awesome, too. Have Walz on in a second episode, for contrast.

  80. 80.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 4:39 pm

    @Kay:

    If things go south, Walz seems well liked and would be a good replacement.

  81. 81.

    Chris

    August 14, 2024 at 4:39 pm

    @Ksmiami:

    I think she’s good through November, barring a major misstep, though partly for the reasons I said.

  82. 82.

    Scout211

    August 14, 2024 at 4:40 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Frank is trying to find relevancy.

    The Orange Menace broke up his grift too.

    And, he’s desperate to get it back.

     

    Good points.  The modern day Trumpist Republicans don’t care about what voters want or what voters think. Luntz is irrelevant as a campaign consultant because they won’t buy what he sells.  LOL

  83. 83.

    Xavier

    August 14, 2024 at 4:42 pm

    In #10, the list of things Biden never got credit for, I’d add the Afghanistan pullout.

  84. 84.

    KatKapCC

    August 14, 2024 at 4:43 pm

    What really baffled me was this whining from the media started almost immediately after Biden said he wasn’t staying in the race and endorsed Harris, and then just keep amplifying exponentially every day. They were acting like she had nothing else to do. Even if, as I suspect, she knew this was coming for days, maybe even weeks, before Biden made it public, she still had a heck of a lot of work in front of her. And they want her to take time to sit with them while they ask disingenuous loaded questions and criticize her using right-wing talking points?

    Other than Trump, I’m not sure there is anyone more full of themselves than journalists.

  85. 85.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 4:43 pm

    @Xavier:

    The media put that in the blame column. 

  86. 86.

    BR

    August 14, 2024 at 4:44 pm

    @lamh47: ​

    Not beating that weird label too well…

  87. 87.

    JML

    August 14, 2024 at 4:45 pm

    While I’m generally in agreement with the idea of the Harris team controlling their own narrative and not kowtowing to a media establishment that has been deeply aligned against Democrats while giving the GOP a pass…I do think they need to de-fang this issue. Do a sit-down with a couple of more local papers in battleground states, do an interview with unrepresented media.

    Don’t bow before the altar of the deeply stupid entrenched DC political media, and especially no favors for the NY Times. But make them look petty, stupid, and entitled if they keep trying to run this line of attack, while avoiding picking a fight with people who make ink by the barrel as they say.

    Make the NYT say “it doesn’t count unless it’s US” or the Chris Cilizzas of the world and see how well that goes over with a) their own colleagues and competitors, and b) the public.

    But they’re way smarter than I am on media strategy, so I think it’ll be fine.

  88. 88.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 4:45 pm

    @SatanicPanic: Agreed.  I think Kamala is managing her media approach wisely.  She understands that this sort of lightning in a bottle enthusiasm means she doesn’t have to rely on the MSM.  It’s just too much for the media to counter.  But the enthusiasm isn’t because of that strategy.  I think Harris sort of hit a royal flush by being (relatively) young, attractive, cool, charismatic, brilliant, experienced, fierce and a Black Woman etc., at a time when our side was finally ready for some joy and hope.  It’s not something she cultivated and it’s not something anyone could have predicted.  People are fickle and crowds can go from negative to positive (or the other way), in the blink of an eye and often do so for the dumbest possible reasons.  Harris is definitely doing things to keep that enthusiasm going, but it somewhat came out of nowhere even before she had started doing appearances.  I think a lot of this shift was just pure, dumb luck, but I’ll take it!!

  89. 89.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    August 14, 2024 at 4:46 pm

    I’m all in favor of her doing interviews with local press and non-traditional outlets like Teen Vogue. Trump doesn’t give interviews with unfriendly press. Why should she?

  90. 90.

    K-Mo

    August 14, 2024 at 4:47 pm

    I commented on this in the other thread, didn’t realize it had taken on its own thread.  Anyway, here’s what I said there:

    This is a powerfully true encapsulation of how the national press has lost its claim to being an essential intermediator.

    I think it overattributes Harris’s success relative to Biden to her handling of the press, though.  It’s not just that she has eschewed press conferences.  Is that she has brought an energy and an excitement to the campaign that wasn’t there before.  Her rallies, her social media, her message…all of it has been a massive improvement.

    AND sooner or later I think she will fare much better in a debate with Gish Gallop and much better in a sit-down with the TigerBeat Press than Joe did.  She’s better at this.

  91. 91.

    KatKapCC

    August 14, 2024 at 4:47 pm

    @Scout211: Hmmm gee, why would most people in the mainstream press not consider that particular publication to be worthy of note? Such a mystery!

  92. 92.

    patrick II

    August 14, 2024 at 4:48 pm

    @Kelly:

    issues and the conditions favor Donald Trump. He should be winning this election.

    What issues and conditions favor Donald Trump? Low unemployment? Rising wages? > A woman’s right to choose? Healthcare? The growing economy? Not being a fucking Nazi?

  93. 93.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 4:49 pm

    @JML: She should do interviews with PBS, McClatchey, AP and local stations/journalists/podcasters.

  94. 94.

    JWR

    August 14, 2024 at 4:49 pm

    Trump said last week that “Kamila” hasn’t done an interview since this whole “scam”, (swapping Biden for Harris), began, which was what Jeffrey Goldberg was bitching about while opening last Friday’s Washington Week in Review. He mentioned how much fun Harris seems to be having, ‘perhaps because she hasn’t done a serious interview’, and it just went downhill from there. Aside from a few murmurings in support of Harris from, I think it was Susan Glasser, it was a Repub cheering section all the way down.

    And yes, I know how easy it is to avoid these shows, I’m just curious about how Big Media™ is reacting to feeling snubbed by VP Harris, and they are not amused. ;)

  95. 95.

    rikyrah

    August 14, 2024 at 4:49 pm

    @lamh47:

    DAFUQ!!

    how dafuq did Tim Ryan lose to this guy…smh

    I know, I know…it’s Ohio, but come on!!!

     

    No vetting at all.

  96. 96.

    rikyrah

    August 14, 2024 at 4:50 pm

    @Jeffro:

    and is less than a point behind in NC.

    =)

    That’s GOTV

    That means NC is worth the investment.

    Yeah, let’s put NC in serious play.

  97. 97.

    lamh47

    August 14, 2024 at 4:50 pm

    Soooo basically Chump’s entire speech is ridiculously full of insults and ramblings…smh.

    @Acyn on twitter watch and clips so we don’t have to here: https://x.com/Acyn

    @Acyn

    Trump: That’s the laugh of a crazy person, I will tell you. She’s crazy. She’s crazy. She doesn’t laugh anymore. It’s smart, but someday it’s going to come out. That’s the laugh of a person with some big problems…

    @Acyn

    Trump: Kamala! You’re fired! Go, get outta here! Get her out! Boom.

  98. 98.

    M31

    August 14, 2024 at 4:51 pm

    test

  99. 99.

    Westlake

    August 14, 2024 at 4:53 pm

    Who died and made Cillizza boss

    She’ll get around to talking to whoever she wants whenever she feels like it

    Meanwhile, tfg will never release his taxes

  100. 100.

    Anonymous At Work

    August 14, 2024 at 4:54 pm

    When did her “Whatcha Got?” conference, she just got one question about doing more formal interviews and a few questions about things TFG said and was asked her response.  The press covered itself with something, not glory.

  101. 101.

    brendancalling

    August 14, 2024 at 4:54 pm

    I’m glad she’s stiffing the press. They’ve been worse than a failure—just look at their pathetic “coverage” of Trump’s public meltdown last week.

    Just yesterday, as I was heading out to do Instacart, someone from WHYY public radio was on my street putting promo materials in people’s mailboxes. He asked me if I wanted one and I declined, saying I never listen, because the news shows are so bad and seemed to have it in for Biden. “Biden recession!” “Red wave!” “Biden ruined Afghanistan!” “He’s OLD!!111”

    The fellow said “well, are there other programs on WHYY you value?” He actually said that, “value.” So I said no, all the good original programming like Radio Times and You Bet Your Garden are gone, and your local news is farmed out to KYW (their “news partner,” and our CBS affiliate).

    If Kamala talks to the press, she should set the time and tone. Because if there’s one thing Trump DID get right, it’s that our legacy media is fucking GARBAGE (takes trash to know trash, I guess).

  102. 102.

    lamh47

    August 14, 2024 at 4:55 pm

    CBS sent out invites for VP debate on Oct 1!

    @Tim_Walz
    See you on October 1, JD.

    https://x.com/Tim_Walz/status/1823824781873176770

  103. 103.

    KatKapCC

    August 14, 2024 at 4:55 pm

    @lamh47: I’m not gonna listen to explanations of laugh types from someone who literally never laughs.

  104. 104.

    p.a.

    August 14, 2024 at 4:55 pm

    @Ksmiami: unironically, aside from the wsj editorials, business publications have been more reasonable and realistic on the economy and Trumps insanity. It’s a super weird disconnect

     

     

    The Big Money Boiz, whatever their political persuasion, need accurate info.  The WSJ news division (well, it’s been a looong time since I perused it) makes the WSJ commentary seem as if from a different planet.

    It’s also the reason FoxBusiness is a flop.  Tainted by their “news” division, no one pays attention even on the odd chance they don’t b.s. the info.

  105. 105.

    Hoodie

    August 14, 2024 at 4:56 pm

    @JCJ: I was thinking something like this except have her invite a few of these hacks over for South Indian food, the hotter the better.  They can only ask a question after taking a bite.

  106. 106.

    brendancalling

    August 14, 2024 at 4:56 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: she should absolutely not talk to PBS or NPR. They are horrible. There’s a reason we used to call them “totebaggers.” NPR in particular has been disgraceful since Biden was elected.

  107. 107.

    3Sice

    August 14, 2024 at 4:57 pm

    Boring, low energy, and in an empty house. He and the audience run on hate. Absent that, silent flaccidity.

    And in other news, the Dow closed over 40k today….

  108. 108.

    sdhays

    August 14, 2024 at 4:57 pm

    @CHETAN R MURTHY: I don’t watch it often, but the Conan O’Brien episode is out of this world. I actually watched it twice. Conan commits to it 1000% and gives both a hilarious and thoughtful interview.

  109. 109.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 4:58 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh: Come sit by me.

  110. 110.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 4:58 pm

    @Chris: the press is going to suck up all the air in the room trying to create a scandal whether or not the Democrat engages with them and regardless of how the Democrat engages with them.

    Their attempt to manufacture a scandal only works if we take the bait, give them clicks and spend all day “debating” it.

    We (collectively, not you or I, per se) took the bait several times with Hillary.

    We took the bait on Biden-So-Old.

    But we aren’t taking it for their attempts to create a scandal for Harris.  We aren’t letting them knee-cap Kamala.  More importantly, we aren’t helping them do so.  That’s the big difference.

  111. 111.

    rikyrah

    August 14, 2024 at 5:00 pm

    @lamh47:

    tee hee hee

  112. 112.

    WaterGirl

    August 14, 2024 at 5:00 pm

    @JaySinWA: Thank you!  I added that up top.

  113. 113.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 5:00 pm

    @brendancalling: No NPR for sure.  I thought there were still some decent (non-hack) shows/reporters at PBS, but I haven’t watched it for news in a very long time (like early 2000’s) so I could be unaware of how bad they’ve gotten.

  114. 114.

    Ruckus

    August 14, 2024 at 5:01 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    As someone not all that much younger than Joe Biden I do somewhat agree with the analysis of him. Because it’s not saying he can’t do the job OK, it’s saying he does not run a campaign all that well. He just doesn’t think that way as much as necessary in this country. I don’t know if it’s his age or him or both.

    Your question at #18

    There is no value in anyone talking or listening to shitforbrains. His brain has gone so far past it’s prime (which of course has never been all that and a box of crackers but is now far, far worse) that he actually seems to be ready for the jacket with the wrap around sleeves.

  115. 115.

    Danielx

    August 14, 2024 at 5:01 pm

    Perhaps if political reporters like Cillizza didn’t act like whiny little brats…,”pay attention to meeeee!”.

    Fucking Villagers.

  116. 116.

    M31

    August 14, 2024 at 5:01 pm

    lol Frank Luntz’s grift wasn’t working any more, poor baby
    though you know, at least he didn’t find some weird fundy Indiana homeschool cult and claim it was ‘heartland undecided voters’ lol — is that good?
    it’s like trying to do a study where you have to find a group of young men who haven’t ever seen porn (it’s not possible)
    or, in my field, to find people who have NEVER been exposed to movies or Western pop/radio/classical music — you can’t ask questions like ‘why do we think major key music is happier’ without a control group without all the associations! lol but some researchers did go way up the Amazon and did it, some tribes that never were even exposed to radio. Turns out ‘major key’ music isn’t intrinsically happier. But that it gets hard to distinguish pitches when they get really high, that seems to be innate. Cool, eh?​

  117. 117.

    WaterGirl

    August 14, 2024 at 5:02 pm

    @Kay: I think local press interviews are a better way to reach mainstream normies than interviews with the national press.

  118. 118.

    JWR

    August 14, 2024 at 5:02 pm

    @patrick II:

    What issues and conditions favor Donald Trump?

    Immigration and the economy, neither of which are understood by the vast majority of Americans. I think those two issues loom large in people’s minds, and they just regurgitate their “concerns” back to pollsters, never knowing who’s policies work for or hurt them while never encountering an immigrant.

  119. 119.

    lamh47

    August 14, 2024 at 5:03 pm

    I hope MVP Harris does not one damn interview with the political media…CNN GOP on the panel literally talking about Chump’s North Carolina speech as if it was coherent and just IGNORING that majority of what he did was insult Harris…smh…

     

    FUQ this media.

  120. 120.

    frosty

    August 14, 2024 at 5:04 pm

    Thank you yet again WG. To be clear, I’m not avoiding Twitter because of Musk. I’ve never signed ip and never felt a need to – I have enough time-wasters already!

    I’m just hoping that people who post links give some thought to how I and others can read the threads. And if that’s my job, OK. I’ll probably just continue to ignore them.

  121. 121.

    piratedan

    August 14, 2024 at 5:05 pm

    it’s just my opinion, but I think Ms. Harris should be able to pick and choose who she sits down with and when.

    I remember back just a month or so ago, when President Biden sat down with George S to alleviate fears of his ability to lead the nation and I harken back to the quality and tone of the questions that were offered.

    Now even a twink like Cilizza feels emboldened to take potshots at VP Harris for what?  You think they want to ask her questions that Americans might have on their minds about what she proposes to do once elected?  The answers to that are Fuck! and No!  They want to try and institute some kind of bullshit character debate and have her “justify” who the fuck knows what.  The 4th estate is making this about THEM and have completely put their own agenda instead of you know, actually talking about issues.

    As we’ve seen repeated over and over again, when someone shows you who they are… believe them. These asshats are no more caretakers of the sacred flame of journalism than I am an Olympic athlete.  Harris and Walz should run their own campaign how they see fit.  There’s an atrocious double-standard in place and the Media as a whole refuses to address it.

  122. 122.

    Kay

    August 14, 2024 at 5:05 pm

    @lamh47:

     “the whole purpose of the postmenopausal female.”

    Oof. Mr. Vance is going to be hearing that a lot. Did everyone know the men of the far Right spend their days talking about what “females” should or should not be doing? I didn’t know how pervasive this is until this weirdo went national.

  123. 123.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 5:05 pm

    @JWR: Also, a nine month media smear campaign against Biden.  The media is big-mad that it wasn’t enough to hand Trump an easy win.  He should be WAY AHEAD!!!

  124. 124.

    cmorenc

    August 14, 2024 at 5:05 pm

    @Kelly: That Luntz is reprehensible for applying his talents on behalf of a reprehensible party does not negate the fact that he is extremely skilled and clinical in figuring out what makes people’s opinions tick- where the most advantageous fulcrums are in their psyche to craft campaign messaging to reach.  I wish he worked for our side instead of theirs.

    Sometimes he will deliberately skew how he selects and handles a focus group if the main thing his client wants is a propaganda piece.  But his real unique skill is his ability to suss out feedback from more representatively chosen focus groups to find the available levers of persuasion (when he is working for eg CNN) and how to best leverage them (in ways both fair and unfair) when he is working on behalf of his GOP political clients.

    Dislike what Luntz uses his talents for, but foolish to disrespect or deny that he is one of the very best at his craft.

  125. 125.

    Barbara

    August 14, 2024 at 5:05 pm

    @K-Mo: Another way to think about it is that the press should be reporting on Harris’s campaign — the energy, the events, and so on.  Its coverage should reflect what the campaign is doing, which includes policy statements that you can find on any website, or just, you know, by analyzing the record of the current administration of which she is an integral part.

    They didn’t seem to have any issue with this kind of reporting when Trump was running in 2016, and we were barraged with endless coverage of rallies and speeches (many of which were sanitized).  Cillizza is whining about what he sees as losing the opportunity to define the campaign through the lens of the press.  No candidate should be willing to let the press define them.

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    SatanicPanic

    August 14, 2024 at 5:06 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: yes , exactly.

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    M31

    August 14, 2024 at 5:07 pm

    @Anonymous At Work: ​
     

    that “watcha got” was great, but the press questions were moronic, EVERY SINGLE ONE was about Trump, wtf

    whar policy questions whar

    Teen Vogue first, then some Black TikTokers, mabye Philly Inquirer as the trad newspaper, MAYBE, then Highlights for Children Goofus and Gallant edition, then the newsletter for her sorority, then Minnesota Farm Radio Soybean Futures Update Show, then maybe schedule a few NYT interviews but cancel them all

  128. 128.

    scav

    August 14, 2024 at 5:08 pm

    The important thing the candidate has to do is communicate to the public.  The professional press is only one / a few of the ways by which information is passed.  They cannot anoint themselves the one, the only, the true path of all valid communication — it’s rather like the buggy whip naming itself the singular method of producing acceleration in travel.

  129. 129.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 5:08 pm

    @piratedan: She should do like a pay-per-view special, broadcast on every major news network who wants it, but the interviewer has to be Melissa Harris-Perry.

  130. 130.

    cain

    August 14, 2024 at 5:09 pm

    @lamh47:

    Oh, go fuck yourself, Vance. JFC.. My parents are not caretakers of my brother’s kids.

    Also, didn’t they attack Forever FLOTUS’s mom for taking care of the kids at the white house? Inconsistent much?

  131. 131.

    gvg

    August 14, 2024 at 5:09 pm

    @Ksmiami: Trump is not good for business. He is good for crooks and money hoarders, but not stable economies, people growing businesses, making long term investments etc. And the republican constant threat to default on the US debt is terrible in a lot of ways and would tank a lot of lending. Its only simple thugs and greedheads that think he is a good idea, but a lot of people think they know more than they do.

  132. 132.

    Chet Murthy

    August 14, 2024 at 5:10 pm

    @Kay: These fucking misogynists want to pretend that evolutionary fitness is everything.  Sure, let’s pretend that current …. hypotheses about the reason that human females experience menopause are correct.  Sure, let’s go with that.  The male is useful for only one thing: providing semen.  And you want to get that semen when it’s as young as possible, b/c older men’s semen is much, much lower-quality.  So we need to milk young men, around age 18, and then sterilize ’em.  Sterilize the lot of ’em, so that all children are born from semen we milked from young men.

    It’s what’s best for the species!  You wouldn’t want to stand in the way of having the best sperm fertilizing eggs, would you, JD?

    They’re fucking moral idiots.

    P.S. And “is” != “ought”.  Just because evolution selected for a trait or even a behaviour, doesn’t mean that that’s what humans should be condemned to do or be.

  133. 133.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)

    August 14, 2024 at 5:10 pm

    @Kay: I’d like to see her doing interviews with regional media outlets—the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Kansas City Star, the west coast papers, some from Texas and the southeast as well.

    I think they’d be more likely to ask questions their readers care about. I think they’d do their homework better. I think they’d be more willing to look at how X piece of legislation had produced Y effect in that area.

    And I think it could be used to her advantage: “Harris agrees it’s important you know her plans and positions, so she’s reaching out to talk about these things without national media trying to play it for clickbait and letting the message get lost.”

    Plus the effect of “She knows you won’t let her off easily, but she also knows you & your readers really care about the nitty-gritty of what these mean to the American people, all labels aside,” is the sort of thing to flatter non-national media into giving her a better chance to talk about actual things, instead of just vibing about the vibes.

    And if FTFNYT and the WaPo fume about it, well, hey. Maybe they can reprint some of them.
    Local media is a good place to bring up Project 2025 as well—Social Security, veterans’ benefits, child labor, education—these aren’t political theory here in flyover country, they’re daily life & if they don’t directly affect you they do affect people you know.

  134. 134.

    HeleninEire

    August 14, 2024 at 5:10 pm

    That tweet thread is spot on. But it also speaks to where we are as a country.

    Everything is changing.  We thought we were there when Obama was elected.  We were ecstatic.  But they weren’t. They were appalled. And they’ve spent every day and hundreds of millions of dolars since then fighting against change.

    But a lot of America is tired. We want peace. We want to not be stressed all the fucking time.

    We want JOY!

  135. 135.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 5:11 pm

    @lamh47:

    I have a much better understanding of his economic vision. Thanks.

  136. 136.

    Ksmiami

    August 14, 2024 at 5:11 pm

    @gvg: he’s a complete effing fraud. His chaos would throw the economy in the shitter.

  137. 137.

    SatanicPanic

    August 14, 2024 at 5:12 pm

    @Betty Cracker: the tail end of the Biden campaign was the largest gap between normies and online liberals I’ve ever seen. Harris doesn’t seem to be catering to too many traditional online sources either and I think that’s to her benefit.

  138. 138.

    Chet Murthy

    August 14, 2024 at 5:12 pm

    @M31: In my moments of craziness, I wish VP Harris would get herself an “Anger Translator” (or maybe better, a “Scorn Translator”) who would step in when somebody asks a ridiculous question, and rip the reporter a new one.  She could have a phalanx of comedians on tour with her, so they could take turns. It could be like an improv show.

    And she should require that any outlet that reports on her press conferences must also give equal billing to her Scorn Translators’ remarks.

    But I’m crazy, I know.  Na ga ha pen.

  139. 139.

    M31

    August 14, 2024 at 5:13 pm

    @lamh47: ugh leave it to the incel crowd (anyone who uses the term ‘females’ like that needs to be kicked in the nuts) to take a kind of cool question of evolutionary biology (why menopause instead of just trying to have as many offspring as possible until you die?) and turn it into something creepy

    and then to bring in his Indian wife? lol as though that’s a special trait just for them? THAT’S RACIST.gif lol

  140. 140.

    BR

    August 14, 2024 at 5:13 pm

    @Kay: ​

    What’s notable about this is that this new Vance clip is from an interview he did with the director of Thiel’s VC firm, Eric Weinstein, who is a really prominent VC. This isn’t some conversation with some random 4chan podcaster like some of his others but one of the big names in tech investing. As Anil Dash has written, these guys are in the throes of VC Qanon:

    https://www.anildash.com/2023/07/07/vc-qanon/

  141. 141.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2024 at 5:13 pm

    @JWR: Susan Glasser said something nice? I change the channel every time she shows up on MSNBC. Fully over her sour face and snotty comments. She and Peter Baker can take their nepo baby and move back to Russia where they belong.

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    KatKapCC

    August 14, 2024 at 5:14 pm

    @lamh47: Pardon me, I have to clean up because my head just exploded.

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    rikyrah

    August 14, 2024 at 5:14 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    But we aren’t taking it for their attempts to create a scandal for Harris.  We aren’t letting them knee-cap Kamala.  More importantly, we aren’t helping them do so.  That’s the big difference.

     

    Those that would have been so inclined know that they’re already on thin ice.

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    Barbara

    August 14, 2024 at 5:15 pm

    @lamh47: Her mom was able to live with them for a year and take care of their firstborn because she had a job she knew she could go back to — she took a sabbatical from her job as a tenured professor at the University of California at San Diego.  Does JD Vance thank the great state of California for being willing, as an employer, to have employment policies that permit people to better integrate their personal and work lives?  No he does not.

    But let it sink in that statement — “the whole purpose of a postmenopausal female” — is said in context about a woman who is still a full-time professor of biology at the University of California.

  145. 145.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 5:15 pm

    @KatKapCC:

    my head just exploded

    Could be a post menopausal thing.

  146. 146.

    scav

    August 14, 2024 at 5:17 pm

    @M31: What he loves about his wife is she’s a good mother, which clearly means equipped with the unpaid post-menopausal help.  Maybe a sister or two to handle the vacuuming and cooking.

  147. 147.

    KatKapCC

    August 14, 2024 at 5:17 pm

    @Baud: Sadly for my sanity and temperature regulation, I am CURRENTLY menopausal. Eagerly awaiting the post days.

  148. 148.

    lamh47

    August 14, 2024 at 5:17 pm

    harris campaign IS NOT playing around.

    EXCLUSIVE: Evangelicals For Harris drops their first media spot TODAY in an effort to win over some of those “on-the-fence” Conservative Evangelicals in swing states who are lukewarm when it comes to Donald Trump.Specifically and most interestingly, Evangelicals For Harris will be targeting conservative Christian media websites. This is NOT just a play for liberal Christians. The group already has over 200,000 Evangelical Christians who have signed a pledge to volunteer and vote for the Harris/Walz ticket. Big Zoom call tonight FYI. They ain’t playin’.

    Ad here: https://x.com/DBrodyReports/status/1823659987475804626

  149. 149.

    Kay

    August 14, 2024 at 5:18 pm

    @BR:

    Oh, thanks. Interesting! I struggle with this because I think he’s horribly disrespectful to his wife but I also want very much for Democrats to use it against him, which will of course be painful for his wife and her family

    It’s this weird clinical remove they have about women – they genuinely do not see us as people.

  150. 150.

    cain

    August 14, 2024 at 5:18 pm

    @JML:

    I don’t think anybody is saying ‘Don’t talk to the media’, just pick the right media – Essence, ProPublica – you can pick who you want to talk to. You don’t need to talk to the NYT.

    If you’re running into a city, talk to the local press – you are reaching normies that way.

    #150 – oh mmmy!

  151. 151.

    M31

    August 14, 2024 at 5:18 pm

    lol there’s going to be a weekly drip drip drip of creepy incel shit from Vance from now on, isn’t there?

    and all from interviews that I assume were out there, sure, not in the Lexis database but these aren’t homemade recordings, these are under the radar but actual media, yes?

    so it means Trumps people saw all these and thought they were fine

    which I believe, actually — they’re so stewed in the MAGA fever swamps that weird stuff about ‘females’ and ‘ethnic grandmas’ isn’t weird to them

  152. 152.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 5:19 pm

    @lamh47:

    At this rate, we’re soon going to have Bigots for Harris.

  153. 153.

    BR

    August 14, 2024 at 5:19 pm

    @Barbara: ​

    Just this morning Vance was saying that professors are the enemy. Martin had been saying that he knows Vance’s in laws at UC San Diego — I wonder what they think about all this.

  154. 154.

    JWR

    August 14, 2024 at 5:19 pm

    @frosty:

    I’m just hoping that people who post links give some thought to how I and others can read the threads.

    I rarely post links to “X”, but when I do, I at least add enough to get the gist of the thing across. And I never post or even bother opening a bare or naked link.

  155. 155.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2024 at 5:20 pm

     

    @cain: but melon’s parents took care of Barron, so it’s okay now. (Gagging)

  156. 156.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 5:20 pm

    @KatKapCC: Is it better than the “Peri” stage?  Asking for a friend wife (she’s also a friend:)).

  157. 157.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 5:20 pm

    @BR:

    Republicans always get a pass because they’re just saying it to win.

  158. 158.

    BR

    August 14, 2024 at 5:21 pm

    @Kay: ​

    This bit from Anil Dash’s piece describes Vance (and Thiel, Musk, etc.) perfectly:

    So you have a cohort that is, counterintutively, very easily manipulated. If you have access to a billionaire (and billionaires all have access to each other, because it suits their ego to think of each other as peers), most are very easy to program by simply playing to their insecurity and desire for acknowledgement of exceptionalism, and so they push each other further and further into extreme ideas because their entire careers have been predicated on the idea that they’re genius outliers who can see things others can’t, and that their wealth is a reward for that imagined merit. “I must be smart, look how rich I am.” The rising power of movements meant to counter their influence has catalyzed a vicious, and frankly very weird, backlash where they want to put everyone else in their place. And, due to the insularity of their lifestyles, they very seldom have any corrective voices pointing out when they’ve clearly lost the plot. If it weren’t for the deep harm they were doing to so many with these radical ideas, I’d have a lot of pity and empathy for the fact that they’re clearly acting out due to social isolation and the existential emptiness that must come from pursuing wealth and power to such an extreme degree that there’s no room left in life for someone to call them on their bullshit.

  159. 159.

    JMG

    August 14, 2024 at 5:21 pm

    Let’s not overthink where this race is now. It was very clear that a decisive bloc of voters, maybe 20 percent or more, were completely repelled by the idea of Biden vs. Trump. That’s unfortunate, but it’s reality. People wouldn’t respond to the “Biden’s too old” stories if they hadn’t had the thought in their own minds. Now, however, they don’t have to choose between two alternatives they didn’t like. There’s a new one, Harris, who is not Biden, while Trump, equally unpopular remains himself. Harris has done a tremendous job capitalizing on the change, primarily through amazing Democratic mobilization, but it’s the fact she’s (relatively) new that’s driving her rise in polls, fundraising and such.

    As for talking to the press, the problem is, the mutual jealousies of the media (I was a member, I know) will mean that just giving a couple big interviews will not stop the bullshit, because those not picked to do them will howl as if they never happened. One thing she could do is give interviews on specific topics, like the economy, or immigration, or whatever, to the reporters who cover those topics, not the horse race crowd. If the Times (which has many such reporters) doesn’t like the idea, too bad. No interview for you.

  160. 160.

    KatKapCC

    August 14, 2024 at 5:21 pm

    @Kay: I recall an old George Carlin line, probably from the 90s, where he said anti-abortion conservatives think a woman’s* role is to be a broodmare for the state. Even more true today!

    (*dependent on skin tone in many cases, of course…)

  161. 161.

    M31

    August 14, 2024 at 5:21 pm

    @Baud: ​
     

    At this rate, we’re soon going to go have Bigots for Harris.

    ok I snorted
    that is really funny

  162. 162.

    Steve LaBonne

    August 14, 2024 at 5:22 pm

    Just a note to say that you can also read Stoehr’s stuff in non-Xit format on his own site (The Editorial Board).

  163. 163.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2024 at 5:23 pm

    @cain: MVP sat for an excellent interview with Essence. I think someone linked to it yesterday.

  164. 164.

    Ruckus

    August 14, 2024 at 5:23 pm

    @Danielx:

    Do remember that their careers are based upon being recognized for their outstanding commentary. And just because they actually have zero outstanding commentary to get paid for doesn’t mean they don’t think they are the very, very best.

  165. 165.

    KatKapCC

    August 14, 2024 at 5:23 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: They are each their own type of hell. For me, perimenopause was annoying mostly for how long it took and getting used to my historically regular cycle now being a total sporadic mess. At least being in actual menopause means I’m in the final stage, ROFL. Could do without all the sweating, though. Ick.

  166. 166.

    cain

    August 14, 2024 at 5:24 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:

    1000% this.

    We have to change the playbook. Shake it up, baby. Twist and shout.

  167. 167.

    waspuppet

    August 14, 2024 at 5:24 pm

    If I’m not mistaken, at least two of the five questions she HAS been asked are “When are you going to answer some questions?”

    [Great-job-everyone dot gif]

  168. 168.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 14, 2024 at 5:25 pm

    @BR: My understanding is that the tactic they’re going to try this time doesn’t involve legislatures at all–it’s a new theory, that any red county election official in any state that Harris won can just nullify the whole state’s electoral vote by refusing to certify the vote from their own county (even if they claim the trouble is somewhere else), which by state law will prevent the governor from certifying.

    It’s very “the card says Moops”. It also implies that any such official who didn’t like a presidential election result could have sabotaged it at any time in history (or could in the future), and I have a hard time believing that even this Supreme Court would go with that if they didn’t accept Eastman’s crackpot theory.

  169. 169.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 5:25 pm

    So I was just out getting tacos in my Kamala 2024 (pink, in Barbie font) tee shirt and I see this older, white dude giving me the once over.  As I’m leaving he leans towards me and says “Nice shirt!” and I thanked him and smeyezed (smile-with-eyes, since I was wearing a mask).  I was totally getting myself mentally ready for some kind of snide, MAGA bullshit, so it was a nice surprise.

  170. 170.

    BruceFromOhio

    August 14, 2024 at 5:26 pm

    Happy to see the rest of the world finally catching up to Steve Gilliard.
    May you rest in power, you saw it coming and said so long before anyone else did.

  171. 171.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 5:28 pm

    @KatKapCC: We knew things were happening when my wife started complaining “is it hot in here?”  I was like “who are you?”  I’m the one usually taking the “it’s hot” side when we disagree about the 75 degree temperature.  She’s almost ALWAYS cold…until now.

  172. 172.

    BR

    August 14, 2024 at 5:28 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: ​

    The good news, in the scheme of things, is that certification is a process that happens way later on — weeks after the election. So our job is to win so decisively on election day that the day after it’s clear who won and half of the GOP is running sideways from Trump as fast as they can in the morning.

  173. 173.

    SatanicPanic

    August 14, 2024 at 5:28 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: if I had to knock any part of the campaign it’s that their official tshirts are kinda lame. I was stoked they came out with that retro one, but I already ordered a plain Harris-Walz one. They really need more fun ones tho. I don’t think they could do like the one you have for IP reasons but I’d love it if they got a little more creative.

    Update- then again the hats are apparently a hit.

  174. 174.

    David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch

    August 14, 2024 at 5:29 pm

    Listening to a sports podcast and they have Nate Silver on to talk about the betting odds and he’s gone nutz. He says JV is a drag on the ticket and Walz is a positive for the race, but Kamala is a neutral factor. WTF? Hundreds of millions of dollars donated, hundreds of thousands of volunteers, jammed packed arenas and it’s because of her, yet Nerdlinger thinks that’s neutral.

  175. 175.

    Kay

    August 14, 2024 at 5:29 pm

    @BR:

    and that their wealth is a reward for that imagined merit.

    I think that goes to gratitude too. The lack of gratitude. How miserable and put-upon they are. Wa wa wa, poor me, people don’t love me.
    They won’t (can’t?) recognize that external factors helped them succeed. Entitled.

    I do get a kick out of how bad Musk is at politics. I forgot that he publicly announced that DeSantis would win “and wouldn’t even have to campaign”. Good call, Elon. Brilliant.

  176. 176.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 5:29 pm

     

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    https://youtu.be/GeZZr_p6vB8?si=XTCeSRdudnpcjkAT

  177. 177.

    cain

    August 14, 2024 at 5:30 pm

    @Barbara: If I was her, I would be fucking pissed. You can bet that there will be some words exchanged because he just devalued everything she worked for as a professor. If all he sees is someone to take care of his spawn.

    I don’t think Vance is going to stay married for long. He’s going to make a slip and disrespect his wife or someone is going to disrespect her and he’s going to keep his mouth shut because he’s a coward.

  178. 178.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 5:31 pm

    @David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch:

    Neutral compared to what?

    “Kamala doesn’t add anything to Kamala” is technically accurate.

  179. 179.

    cain

    August 14, 2024 at 5:31 pm

    @lamh47: Full on media panic. Forget the GOP, they are gonna get panicked.

  180. 180.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2024 at 5:31 pm

    @rikyrah:

    NC is worth the investment.

    Yeah, let’s put NC in serious play.

    I signed up earlier today to write postcards, specifically for NC

    Y’all know what?  You know what?  I think it’s going to…

    …GO BLUE!!!

  181. 181.

    KatKapCC

    August 14, 2024 at 5:31 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: Same!! I was always the one turning the heat up before.

  182. 182.

    Princess

    August 14, 2024 at 5:32 pm

    @Kay: I agree. Of course Harris is going to do interviews. When she decides the time is ripe. And she’ll do a good job because understanding how to respond to malicious or obtuse questions was part of her day job for years. I hope she does a whole range of venues, and does a lot of them. I’m sure she will.

    If she feels she needs to do NYT, maybe she could sit down with Ezra Klein.

    Frankly I’d be glad if both candidates would sit down with interviewers who would challenge them on policy and on their past actions. That’s how it’s meant to be. The worst interview I saw Obama do in 08 was with Olbermann because it was nothing but flattery and softballs and Obama was rightly fed up.

    The press will do what it does regardless. They didn’t hammer on Hillary’s emails because of some interview. If they think an interview with Harris will magically give them the key to defeat her, I suspect they’re out of luck.

  183. 183.

    cain

    August 14, 2024 at 5:32 pm

    @Manyakitty: Someone should ask Trump if he agrees with JD Vance that Melania’s only role now is to take care of grandkids?

  184. 184.

    StringOnAStick

    August 14, 2024 at 5:32 pm

    @M31: Your job description is intriguing!

  185. 185.

    Trollhattan

    August 14, 2024 at 5:33 pm

    @Chet Murthy:

    I’m 100% behind this and further, nominate Leslie Jones as Kamala’s Anger Translator.

    https://www.facebook.com/NBCSports/videos/leslie-jones-and-katie-ledecky-have-breakfast/1028862958291214/

    Change we deserve, change we need.

  186. 186.

    Chief Oshkosh

    August 14, 2024 at 5:33 pm

    @cmorenc: Yep. Same thing with Republican strategist (and current “Never Trumper”) Mike Murphy. Incredibly skilled, but works for the wrong team. He’s a Never Trumper who willfully ignores how the Republican Party ever got within a country mile of Trump. Fuck ‘im, but he gave a great (and smarmy) interview on The Fully Charged Show about how to get RWNJ to buy EVs.

    https://youtu.be/TCguBYiEVhY?si=yiuK2q_2Knr-TAUc

  187. 187.

    cain

    August 14, 2024 at 5:33 pm

    @Manyakitty:

    Vogue’s piece on Walz’s dog was precious. Including how Scout locked himself in the closet and Walz’s tweet ‘this damn dog..’ – haha – it’s so NORMAL.

  188. 188.

    BR

    August 14, 2024 at 5:34 pm

    @David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch: ​

    I’ve seen a lot of that kind of thing lately — folks who have to acknowledge the momentum of Harris but don’t want to give her credit, so they say “everyone just wanted to move on from Biden” or “the party [note: not Harris] was smart to pick Walz because he energized the base”. Fortunately I think most folks aren’t seeing it that way — they recognize that Walz really is a good hype man for Harris, and it’s what makes him a good VP pick.

  189. 189.

    cain

    August 14, 2024 at 5:35 pm

    @Jeffro:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BinWA0EenDY [I’m Blue]

  190. 190.

    NO one You Know

    August 14, 2024 at 5:36 pm

    @kwAwk: 100% agreement! Kamala talks to the voters. The press corps talks to itself and the disgruntled. And doesn’t even check its own work.

  191. 191.

    Kirk

    August 14, 2024 at 5:36 pm

    @lamh47: Oh my. That’s a direct play to take over the GQP’s largest volunteer GOTV network. If not take over, certainly disrupt.

    It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

  192. 192.

    strange visitor (from another planet)

    August 14, 2024 at 5:36 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: i didn’t chime in on the other thread, but i gotta tell you, as a red-sea pedestrian, i am ASTONISHED that there are regular commenters at this blog jawing up and down the hamas/IDF, I/P, muslim/jew conflict, that have no goddamn idea what the zionist occupational government is.

    like, i mean. why bother having proper context on an issue when there’s shit-talking to be had.

    FFS

    eta- and the fucking “free palestine” set jumped the fucking shark a while back, when they started going after random fucking jews in nyc. guess they too, make no difference between an israeli and a jew.

  193. 193.

    Chet Murthy

    August 14, 2024 at 5:37 pm

    @Trollhattan: I of course thought of Leslie Jones, but maybe we need more than one?  B/c there are just so, so, SOOOO many mediots to be put in their place.  Not sure Ms. Jones can handle the workload yanno?  Surely there are a bunch of other female comedians who could fit into a rotation?

    And it’s not just anger, but also *scorn*.  That look your grandma gives you when you really fucked up.  So much room for comedic improvisation.

  194. 194.

    Kay

    August 14, 2024 at 5:37 pm

    @Princess:

    I watched the clip of her taking Tulsi Gabbard apart in the 2020 primary debate. I watched those debates and had forgotten that. Yikes.

    She’s just not going to have any trouble with CNN hosts reciting Donald Trump’s insults at her and asking her to respond. She should be positive and calm and make them look hectoring and petty and grubby.

  195. 195.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 5:37 pm

     

    @BR:

    I suppose savvy people can speculate about how well Harris is doing compared to some other replacement for Biden. But they’d mostly be pulling the analysis out of their asses based on pre-withdrawal polling.

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    BR

    August 14, 2024 at 5:38 pm

    @Kirk: ​
    @lamh47: ​

    Wow, this is turning out to be a BIG tent.

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    Anonymous At Work

    August 14, 2024 at 5:39 pm

    @Chet Murthy: Nah, hold a presser and say that anyone asking anything but a policy question will be ignored from there out, and then enforce it.  Goes double for “TFG said X on Twitter, how do you respond?” questions.  A few might understand but WaPo, NYT, CNN, and most broadcast reporters won’t.

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    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2024 at 5:39 pm

    @cain: brilliant! Let’s see if he remembers who she is.

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    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2024 at 5:40 pm

    @cain: exactly one hundred percent weird-free.

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    jonas

    August 14, 2024 at 5:42 pm

    @WereBear:  I figure he’s planning something.

    I can only assume he’s getting briefings from the FBI and other LEA’s about what they’re picking up on their surveillance of violent right-wing groups these days.

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    MisterForkbeard

    August 14, 2024 at 5:42 pm

    @Chris: I think it helped quite a bit in 2020 during the campaign – Biden basically let the press bark and ignored the Very Online stuff and it worked pretty well. He did stuff and laid out policy and people paid attention.

    It worked a lot less well when Trump wasn’t the direct contrast and there wasn’t an active campaign going. Press went after him for stories and Republican framing was unchallenged by the press, and that became accepted wisdom.

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    Turgidson

    August 14, 2024 at 5:42 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    I think the thread makes a lot of good points about press coverage overall, but agreed that it didn’t quite describe the Biden dynamic accurately.  I think it’s fairer to say that Biden relied *indirectly* on the press to accurately report out on the work he was doing.  He didn’t try to *work with* the press or enlist them in a PR effort, but he did expect that his accomplishments, which were many, would be reported on, accurately, with some amount of proportion to the scale of his achievements.  He thought his record would speak for itself; the missing part was that no one other than Jen Psaki, KJP, and occasionally people like Buttigieg, were doing that speaking.  The media surely wasn’t.  The Inflation Reduction Act is a good example.  The process-related drama with Manchin and Sinema, bad faith GOP howls about sockulism and banning cheeseburgers and the like garnered exponentially more coverage than the contents of the IRA, what its effect on the country would be, and whether voters understood and/or approved of the bill’s substance.  Similar dynamic with the Afghanistan withdrawal.  It was pointed out from time to time that Trump’s shitty deal with the Taliban had tied Biden’s hands, but the one word that people remember from coverage of that event is “chaotic”.  As if pulling scores of personnel, military hardware, and more out of a failed state being overrun by the Taliban freakshow would ever be anything but.  And the pullout was actually quite a logistical feat.  But.  Chaotic.

    Biden never figured out what to do about this, and before he had a chance to really start making the case for himself as a candidate, BIDEN OLD became, almost literally, the only thing the media cared about.  And any attempt he made to change that narrative seemed to backfire.

    But the thread’s discussion of how the Harris campaign is doing things differently rings true.  It’s all happened (and continues to happen) so fast that I’m not even sure the campaign is even making deliberate choices about this.  They have their hands full transitioning to a new candidate, lining up delegates, barnstorming the key states, and preparing the DNC for a new candidate.  There’s only so many hours in a day and MVP can’t afford to spend all that many of them tending to Cillizza’s tender fee-fees.

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    Kirk

    August 14, 2024 at 5:43 pm

    @Anonymous At Work:

    “TFG said X on Twitter, how do you respond?”

    “He’s lying. Next question?”

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    Scout211

    August 14, 2024 at 5:43 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: Is it better than the “Peri” stage?  Asking for a friendwife (she’s also a friend:)).

    Everyone is different and there is no one way that women go through peri-menopause and menopause.  But for me, yes.  The worst symptoms were in the peri-menopause stage. When you are one year past your last period, you are considered in menopause.  For me, all symptoms stopped then.  So it was like I was home free.

    I just consider peri-menopause the first stage of menopause because that’s how we experience it. But doctors see them as separate.

    Sorry if this is TMI for balloon-juice.  No, actually, not sorry.  😉

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    M31

    August 14, 2024 at 5:43 pm

    @Kay: ​
     

    I do get a kick out of how bad Musk is at politics. I forgot that he publicly announced that DeSantis would win “and wouldn’t even have to campaign”. Good call, Elon. Brilliant.

    lol well there you go — DeSantis made the fatal mistake of actually campaigning, where everyone could see what a musty toenail fungus in human form he was

    shoulda taken Elmo’s advice, my man

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    prostratedragon

    August 14, 2024 at 5:46 pm

    @Baud:  Yeah, what he here calls Biden ceding power to the press looked to me more like doing his very all-consuming job. Being out there on the stump all the time i a job in itself, one which Harris is fortunately able to do right now as Vice-President.

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    Wvng

    August 14, 2024 at 5:46 pm

    A NYTimes economics reporter, a few months ago, posted on X how hilarious it was that his elite friends in NY, people with the Times bookmarked, had no idea about the many transformative legislative victories by Biden that were transforming our economy. When challenged that “isn’t it your job to report in this stuff” he dismissed that by saying “not my job to do PR for Biden.” Most Americans have no idea how successful Biden has been in large part because of “journalists” like this clown. FTFNYT.

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    NotMax

    August 14, 2024 at 5:47 pm

    @KatKapCC

    Lebensborn.

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    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 5:48 pm

    @Wvng:

    “It’s my job to do PR for Trump!”

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    pacem appellant

    August 14, 2024 at 5:48 pm

    Markos at the GOS weighs in. Unsurprisingly, he is more than comfortable with Harris ignoring the Beltway media, recommending that Harris stick to the campaign trail and local media. I am in agreement. When the Beltway media decides to behave, maybe they can get a scrape from the table.

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    jonas

    August 14, 2024 at 5:49 pm

    Here’s the bargain Harris should drive with the MSM: tell the WaPo, FTFNYT, and CNN that she’ll do a 30-minute, sit-down interview — no holds barred, chock full of exciting, exclusive scoops and crucial policy reveals, like what kind of flowers she likes to get from Doug on Valentine’s Day — with the first network who matches or exceeds, *in the next 15 days*, the same word count or on-air minutes dedicated to Trump’s mental condition and fitness for office that they spent covering Biden’s age issues this past year. Ready..set…go!

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    SatanicPanic

    August 14, 2024 at 5:50 pm

    lol, from WaPo:

    Though Donald Trump’s appearance in North Carolina was billed as remarks on the economy, and he began his speech staying on message, the former president has since been falling back into parts of his stump speech, making inflammatory attacks on undocumented immigrants and voicing other sentiments he has repeated consistently throughout his campaign.

    Trump’s little “I’m gonna talk about the economy “ Trojan Horse caught fire? You don’t say

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    Poptartacus

    August 14, 2024 at 5:50 pm

    lol Chris Cilliza? Fuck him in his goat smelling ass.

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    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 5:51 pm

    @SatanicPanic:

    “He’ll do better next time, after the reset.”

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    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 5:51 pm

    @Turgidson: Exactly!  Simply put: I think Kamala understands that Twitter, Tik Tok etc., can essentially be a direct-marketing, work-around (and a great opportunity) in a way that Biden didn’t.  Wouldn’t count out the possibility of her doing a Red Table Talk interview with Jada Pinkett-Smith.  Whereas Biden wouldn’t even know what that is, lol.

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    MisterForkbeard

    August 14, 2024 at 5:52 pm

    @pacem appellant: I think most of us are entirely down with Harris doing interviews and discussions with local media. Kay’s “Flood the zone” approach is my personal favorite – start by doing three in a single day, then give a couple of local (non-nutcase) reporters a 15 minute interview whenever she stops for a rally.

    Just don’t let the prestige media (and especially not the NYT) get involved until they start acting responsibly.

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    Chet Murthy

    August 14, 2024 at 5:52 pm

    @Turgidson: A couple of friends and I have been remarking on the following two data-points:

    • Biden’s social media outreach was nowhere near as -aggressive- and rapid-response as Harris’.  As you write, at some level Biden was (somehow) expecting the media to discuss his policy achievements, and when that didn’t happen, he didn’t have an effective plan B
    • Harris’ campaign inherits the same people from Biden’s campaign.

    Which made us wonder why Harris’ campaign -feels- so different from Biden’s.  I chalk it up to direction from the top.  Biden’s great, the best President of my lifetime.  But I guess maybe he’s not as good a campaigner, and it shows in the direction he gave to his campaign via his senior staff.  And maybe Harris is just giving different direction, and it shows in the ways that the same mid/low-level staffers are doing their jobs.

    Idunno.  Just spitballin’ here.

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    K-Mo

    August 14, 2024 at 5:53 pm

    @Barbara:  I think we’re on the same page re Cilizza and the press POV.  I was trying to push back gently on the notion that Harris solved the problem with the simple tactical decision of cutting them out.  I think handling the press and more generally running a campaign is a tricky and complex undertaking and she has done a bang up job so far.  Somewhere under there I am noting that Biden was failing in this regard, no matter how great his actual record of governing is.

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    catclub

    August 14, 2024 at 5:53 pm

    @Baud: The media put that in the blame column.

    But the American People are glad we are out and happy to forget about the whole thing.

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    stinger

    August 14, 2024 at 5:54 pm

    Sit-down interviews with big-name media mattered pre-Internet, pre-social media. Since no one can campaign in every town in every state, using CBS or Time or the FTFNYT got your face and your positions in front of large chunks of Americans. Now, her rallies are live on YouTube, where they can be watched later if you can’t catch them live, and her supporters make TikToks, and there have been probably dozens of “XXX for Kamala” zoom calls (I’ve been to two already), and there can’t be too many people who don’t know who Harris is and if they like her “policies”.

    It’s a different world, Mainstream Media!

  221. 221.

    jonas

    August 14, 2024 at 5:55 pm

    @Wvng: Conversely, it isn’t Harris’s job to do PR for the DC press by giving interviews to organizations who maintain an insanely unfair double standard when it comes to covering politics (namely that Democrats get scrutinized like actual grownups while Republicans are graded on a curve developed for spoiled toddlers).

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    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 5:55 pm

    @Chet Murthy:

    Is it possible that the need for a different strategy is a reflection of the role Harris was very quickly thrust into, regardless of whether Biden should have done something differently?

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    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 5:55 pm

    @SatanicPanic: Yeah the official stuff didn’t really appeal to me either.  I like the one with the chucks that says “she’s got next” but most of the others are far less interesting than stuff you can find on Etsy or Teepublic etc.

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    StringOnAStick

    August 14, 2024 at 5:55 pm

    @Chet Murthy: Hey, you asked me a question last night when i’d left for awhile.  If you’d like to go into more depth, the front pagers  have my permission to give you my email address.

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    catclub

    August 14, 2024 at 5:56 pm

    @K-Mo: Somewhere under there I am noting that Biden was failing in this regard, no matter how great his actual record of governing is.

     

    That was my view, also.  She promptly hired a bunch of Obama pros… who Biden had failed to hire.

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    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 5:57 pm

    @stinger:

    Eh, can ≠ will. She’ll choose a strategy based on where the voters she wants to reach are, and will not depend on voters seeking her out.

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    Jay

    August 14, 2024 at 5:57 pm

    MVP Kamala Harris should only do interviews with “vetted” media.

    The “vetting” is really easy to do, only one question to be answered.

    Did the proposed Media outlet slobberly knob polish Sundowning 34 Felonies Rapist Pedo’s speeches at anytime to make him seem less insane?

  228. 228.

    Chet Murthy

    August 14, 2024 at 5:57 pm

    @Baud: I have no idea, but I kinda feel like this moment was waiting for somebody like Harris to step into it, to take advantage of it.  We’ve seen for the last few cycles that social media plays a bigger and bigger role.  We’ve seen Biden’s admin reach out social media influencers, but ….. well, it felt a little stilted, a little artificial, a little “how do you do, fellow kids!” meme.  Harris’ social media campaign and outreach feels ….. authentic.

    I just had the thought: maybe this is the equivalent of the Kennedy-Nixon debate?  One candidate knew how to use the new media, and the other simply …. didn’t?

    Just spitballin’.

  229. 229.

    prostratedragon

    August 14, 2024 at 5:58 pm

    @prostratedragon:
    FDR in 1942 speaking about his fireside chats, of which he gave only 30 over nearly 150 months as President:

    Every time I talk over the air it means four or five days of long, overtime work in the preparation of what I say. Actually, I cannot afford to take this time away from more vital things. I think we must avoid too much personal leadership …

  230. 230.

    M31

    August 14, 2024 at 5:58 pm

    @StringOnAStick: Your job description is intriguing!

    lol it’s not as interesting as heading waaaay up the Amazon to find the elusive people who never heard a radio

    I’m in mainstream classical music — but there’s tons of bad history there where its norms and conventions were assumed to be universal or applicable to all humans (people love to say “Music is a universal language” but that’s just not true!) so I am interested in what is leaned/absorbed convention and what is innate to humans.

    It’s true that every human culture has some kind of music in it, and that humans have a unique ability to process sound in time — as in keeping a beat! Only a very few animals (a few birds, really, and not our close primate relatives, which is pretty weird) can keep a beat, and it’s interesting to ask why that is, or better, to what use did humans put it — and cultural cohesiveness through music/drumming/singing/dance/rhythmic play is actually pretty universal, and probably a key factor in creating social community which is a big factor in the success of our species, which is pretty cool

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    SatanicPanic

    August 14, 2024 at 5:58 pm

    @Baud: “Have you tried turning him off and turning him on again?”

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    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 5:58 pm

    @Turgidson: Good comment.

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    Chet Murthy

    August 14, 2024 at 5:58 pm

    @StringOnAStick: Hi, I live in SF, so maybe your experience in OR isn’t as useful?  But if you think it might be, could you drop me a line at [email protected] ?  That’s an address I use -only- for this sort of exchanging emails in public, so I’d reply to you from a different email.

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    jonas

    August 14, 2024 at 5:59 pm

    @SatanicPanic: “Although Lucy had positioned the football properly and promised not to pull it away like she has in every instance previously, once again, this reporter has ended up on his back wondering where it all went wrong…”

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    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 6:00 pm

    @Chet Murthy:

    Yeah, I don’t know. I wasn’t following campaign strategy closely. What you said sounds more like the whole “vibes” thing. She’s just a better messenger for a certain segment of voters that we need simply because of who she is and who they are.

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    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 6:00 pm

    @jonas: I love it.

  237. 237.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 6:01 pm

    @Baud: Alles in ordnung

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    Trollhattan

    August 14, 2024 at 6:01 pm

    @SatanicPanic: IMO Republicans have zeroed in on immigration, scary furriners, and those emptied asylums.

    That’s their campaign.

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    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 6:01 pm

    Maybe Harris should have an Apprentice style audition where national reporters compete for the first interview.

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    jnfr

    August 14, 2024 at 6:04 pm

    @Kelly:

    This makes me smile a lot!

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    M31

    August 14, 2024 at 6:05 pm

    @Baud: they could submit sample questions one by one:

    “How do you respond to President Trump’s assertion that . . ”

    ZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTT

    “When will you have a full sit-down . . . .

    ZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTT

    “Isn’t it disrespectful to the Presidency to call Trump ‘weird’ . . .

    ZZZZZZZZZTTTTT

    “Trump said you were

    ZZZZZZTTTTTT

    “Trump

    ZZZZZZZTTTTTT

    “Tr

    ZZZZZTTTTT

  242. 242.

    Trollhattan

    August 14, 2024 at 6:06 pm

    @stinger: I remember when Obama traveled to Marc Maron’s home, garage I think, to do his WTF podcast. I expect the media betters are still butthurt over that.

    Kamala has a vast set of options to choose from.

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    schrodingers_cat

    August 14, 2024 at 6:06 pm

    @Baud: A Survivor style contest would be more fitting.

  244. 244.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 6:06 pm

    @M31:

    I’d pay good money to control the buzzer.

  245. 245.

    M31

    August 14, 2024 at 6:07 pm

    @Baud: lol auction off the electroshock button, when Doucy or some NYT smarmhole gets up we could retire the national debt

  246. 246.

    M31

    August 14, 2024 at 6:08 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: lol who says there has to be a survivor?

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    SatanicPanic

    August 14, 2024 at 6:09 pm

    @jonas: I thought the reporter was fine. I’m sure these “watch the conference and write what’s happening “ live streams are just an opportunity to fuck around on the clock.

    And I implied I thought this speech was a bait and switch but then again- Trump probably can’t stay on topic. So who knows

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    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 6:10 pm

    @SatanicPanic:

    The quoted report is fine. The buildup to the speech was nuts given Trump’s history.

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    Jay

    August 14, 2024 at 6:10 pm

    He’s not poor or a hillbilly

    Vance did come from a troubled family. His mother was — like so many Americans, whether they’re poor, middle class or rich — addicted to painkillers. In the book, Vance searches for an explanation for his traumatic relationship with his mother, before hitting on the perfect explanation: his mother’s addiction was a consequence of the fact that her parents were “hillbillies.”

    The reality — one that Vance only subtly acknowledges in his memoir — is that he is not poor. Nor is he a hillbilly. He grew up firmly in Ohio’s middle class.

    In my coming book, Poor Things: How Those with Money Depict Those Without It, I detail how Vance’s work is actually part of a genre I call “poornography.”

    Created mainly by middle- and upper-class people for like-minded readers, this long line of novels, films and plays can end up spreading harmful stereotypes about poor people.

    https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2024/08/14/JD-Vance-New-Prince-Poornography/

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    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 6:12 pm

    @Jay:

    Now I’m jaded. Next you’ll tell me that OzarkHillbilly doesn’t live in the Ozarks and is not a hillbilly.

  251. 251.

    Scout211

    August 14, 2024 at 6:12 pm

    24 people showed up at JD Vance speech today. (Link goes to Twitter with photo).

  252. 252.

    catclub

    August 14, 2024 at 6:13 pm

    @stinger: ​
     

    there have been probably dozens of “XXX for Kamala” zoom calls

    How about “XYZ for Kamala”? Not sure if the adult film industry is what you had in mind. Although it would be great to have Stormy Daniels on the call.
    “KKK for Kamala” would be interesting.

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    David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch

    August 14, 2024 at 6:13 pm

    Dump is soooo old.

    Disturbing photo from today (link)

    Media won’t admit it, because its okay if you are republican.

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    KatKapCC

    August 14, 2024 at 6:13 pm

    @Wvng: The fact that they view reporting on positive stories regarding Dems = “doing PR” for them kind of tells you all you need to know about these nudniks.

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    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 6:13 pm

    @Scout211:

    How many weren’t reporters?

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    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 6:14 pm

    @M31: Love it!

  257. 257.

    Subsole

    August 14, 2024 at 6:14 pm

    @rikyrah:

    A sorrier ship never met a more worthy foundering…

  258. 258.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 6:15 pm

    @Jay: This is what I thought of Demon Copperfield after fifty people recommended it to me. I didn’t get past the Amazon sample.

    I know, I know, Dickens did the same, but with greater artistry.

  259. 259.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 6:16 pm

    @Baud: Oh, no, that is not true!

  260. 260.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 6:16 pm

    @Scout211: Love it!

  261. 261.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 6:16 pm

    @David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch: Gaaaah!

  262. 262.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 6:22 pm

    @Scout211:

    Jesus. He’s heading into Mike Pence territory.

  263. 263.

    Scout211

    August 14, 2024 at 6:22 pm

    In Asheville today, Trump continues to air his grievances. Every rally is Festivus for him.

    Trump Complains About Harris’ Time Magazine Cover

    While whining about Vice President Kamala Harris’ ongoing success in her campaign, Trump also appeared jealous of her recent cover in Time magazine.

    “She went from being a totally disrespected person six weeks ago, nobody thought she had a chance,” Trump said during his rally. “And now they’re putting her on the cover of Time magazine with an artist’s sketch. They don’t use a picture, they use an artist’s sketch.”

    “I want to find that artist,” Trump added. “I like him very much.”

  264. 264.

    KatKapCC

    August 14, 2024 at 6:22 pm

    @David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch: Looks like he fell asleep in the tanning bed.

  265. 265.

    Subsole

    August 14, 2024 at 6:23 pm

    @Kay:

    I spent far more time on certain chanboards than I should have, many many moons ago.

    Part of my borderline-unhealthy loathing of the modern right is because I know exactly what they are.

    Also a large part of why I keep punching the goddamn hippies who threatened to hand us over to these people so they could feel important.

  266. 266.

    M31

    August 14, 2024 at 6:23 pm

    @Jay: another terrible thing about Vance is that he’s been trying to blame drug addiction on immigrants and Mexican drug cartels, when his mother got her opioids by stealing them from patients.

    So to deflect the blame from the Sacklers and lack of good addiction treatment and poor control measures of addictive substances in the medical setting to ‘the illegals’ is just grotesque, and of course isn’t going to help the many many opioid addicts in this country.

    and it’s not like Vance has a good drug addiction policy to fall back on, like more treatment centers

  267. 267.

    prostratedragon

    August 14, 2024 at 6:27 pm

    @M31:  Or use a big hook like the Apollo talent shows.

  268. 268.

    Chief Oshkosh

    August 14, 2024 at 6:27 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    and I see this older, white dude giving me the once over. As I’m leaving he leans towards me and says “Nice shirt!”

    Jayh-zus, but that Tim Walz is EVERYwhere.

  269. 269.

    Geminid

    August 14, 2024 at 6:29 pm

    @David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch: The guy keeps looking rougher and rougher.

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    3Sice

    August 14, 2024 at 6:31 pm

    DemDifference

    The Democratic Difference
    @DemDifference
    Economy when Reagan-Bush ran Morning in America reelection ad:

    • Inflation 4.3%; Unemployment 7.3%

    Economy today under Biden-Harris Great American Comeback:

    • Inflation 2.9%; Unemployment 4.3%

  271. 271.

    Jay

    August 14, 2024 at 6:32 pm

    @M31:

    He had a “charity” grift to raise funds “aiding” Ohio with there opioid addiction problem, and spend all the money on political consulting for his campaigns.

  272. 272.

    M31

    August 14, 2024 at 6:33 pm

    @Jay: jesus, that is disgusting

    no wonder he gravitated to Trump

  273. 273.

    3Sice

    August 14, 2024 at 6:35 pm

    @Scout211:

    He opened with pissing and moaning about his handlers wanting him to stay on approved attack lines.

    He wanted to hammer the immigrant crime wave occuring in his mush brain.

  274. 274.

    3Sice

    August 14, 2024 at 6:36 pm

    @KatKapCC:

    I can’t not see the stubby fingers.

  275. 275.

    artem1s

    August 14, 2024 at 6:38 pm

    @Kay: ​ 
    I disagree. I think most normies would be insulted if a candidate played along with this game that they can only communicate with voters if some High Priest of Journalism interprets their positions and policies for them.
    I’m a Protestant dammit. I don’t need a fucking priest to talk to God for me.

  276. 276.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 14, 2024 at 6:38 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Meh, her positions are out there and the press could report on them. They just want to be hand fed.

    This. Any network, any newspaper, any other media outlet, could post a list of the major issues of the day, and put where the Dems stand on them in one column, and where the Rethugs stand on them in the other.  Voting rights, women’s bodily autonomy, climate change, Ukraine, minimum wage, gun control, unions, you name it.  They could summarize both parties’ positions without having to look anything up. (They’d probably soft-pedal the Rethug positions, but readers/viewers could call them out on it.)

    Would MVP’s positions differ appreciably from the Dem positions in such a list?  Not enough to remotely confuse them with the Rethug positions.  If the Dem positions are Earth and the Rethug positions are Mars, Harris’ positions wouldn’t be any further out than the Moon’s orbit.

    So they don’t need this sit-down with Harris, they know where she stands well enough on pretty much everything.  They’re just upset that she’s not genuflecting to them, and not giving them a gold-plated opportunity to show her who’s boss.

  277. 277.

    Geminid

    August 14, 2024 at 6:38 pm

    @M31: Trump endorsed Vance in the 2022 Ohio Senate primary and Vance still only won 32% of the vote. That was enough to win a crowded primary, but it was a weak showing.

  278. 278.

    Betsy

    August 14, 2024 at 6:38 pm

    That was amazing. I’d never thought of the press “corpse”  problems that way before, and now that I’ve seen this analysis, I can’t unsee it.

    It nailed it.

    Thank you for putting it here.

  279. 279.

    Albatrossity

    August 14, 2024 at 6:40 pm

    If the MSM opinionators want to be considered an integral part of the political system, they need to do their job of communicating facts re policies, legislation, and other aspects of politics that affect our everyday lives. If they continue to treat this horse race as an excuse to talk about anything but facts re policies, etc, they can expect to be on the outside looking in.  Poor sods.

  280. 280.

    Geminid

    August 14, 2024 at 6:43 pm

    @3Sice: Trump hates to be constrained. That is a point of conflict between him and his campaign managers. There is a significant chance he’ll ditch them before too long I think, even though he knows he needs them.

    Ed. Wiles and LaCivita have enemies and rivals among others in Trump’s circle, and these sycophants will egg Trump on to “shake things up.”

  281. 281.

    schrodingers_cat

    August 14, 2024 at 6:44 pm

    @cain: Usha clerked for Roberts. I am sure her parents are pretty conservative too and right wing. She said grew up in an ultra religious family. Wouldn’t be surprised if they are Sangh supporters too.

  282. 282.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2024 at 6:45 pm

    @cain:  awesome!

     

    @BR: “Evangelicals for Harris” might just cause the Mango Menace to stroke right the fuck out.  I approve.

  283. 283.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 14, 2024 at 6:45 pm

    @BR: I was thinking a possible approach could be mutual assured destruction–get some officials lined up in Austin, Dallas, Orlando and Cleveland who are willing to retaliate by blocking red-state electoral votes if it comes to this.

  284. 284.

    Gretchen

    August 14, 2024 at 6:45 pm

    Harris did talk to the press when she got off the plane last Friday. They asked 4 questions about what she thought of what Trump said the day before, and one about Willie Brown, whom she dated 30 years ago. She should talk to journalists when they act like journalists and not gossip columnists.

  285. 285.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2024 at 6:46 pm

    @Trollhattan: I’d love to hear her on WTF. The Obama interview was beautiful. I listened to it repeatedly during the dark times, whenever I needed a good cry.

  286. 286.

    KatKapCC

    August 14, 2024 at 6:46 pm

    @3Sice: I also see an ear that most definitely did not have a bullet tear through it a few weeks ago…

  287. 287.

    Gretchen

    August 14, 2024 at 6:47 pm

    Did everyone see the Vance quote from a radio show a few years ago that the entire purpose of post-menopausal women is to take care of grandchildren? And that the hidden benefit of marrying an Indian woman is that her parents will take care of your kids? This guy could have been made in a lab for bad candidates.

  288. 288.

    Chief Oshkosh

    August 14, 2024 at 6:47 pm

    @David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch: God, he DOES have tiny hands.

  289. 289.

    lamh47

    August 14, 2024 at 6:48 pm

    Speaker roster for DNC:

    https://x.com/BmbEmpower/status/1823754803450658917

  290. 290.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2024 at 6:48 pm

    @David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch: ew.

  291. 291.

    Gretchen

    August 14, 2024 at 6:48 pm

    I’m really rooting to see Harris on Hot Ones, where the guy does an interview with increasingly hot wings. The interviewer takes the interview part seriously, and she’d probably be good with the hot stuff. The one with Conan O’Brien was hilarious – he said he didn’t encounter spice until he was 50.

    https://youtu.be/FALlhXl6CmA?si=ChEkMxs5FRZSebGE

  292. 292.

    Baud

    August 14, 2024 at 6:48 pm

    @lamh47:

    Excluded again.

  293. 293.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 6:49 pm

    @Manyakitty: Me too.  Maron is a great interviewer.

  294. 294.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 14, 2024 at 6:49 pm

    Why, oh why, is Chris Cillizza still a thing?

  295. 295.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 6:53 pm

    @Gretchen: Do they ever ask him about what she says? I heard a clip today where I couldn’t hear the reporter, and I heard “FBI,” and I thought, wow, they’re asking him about the documents. No, it was about his “hack,” and he went on and on about how it was Iran because they don’t like him. No pushback.

  296. 296.

    KatKapCC

    August 14, 2024 at 6:53 pm

    @Gretchen: It’s in this comment thread :D

  297. 297.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2024 at 6:53 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: plus, he channels my anxiety. His podcast is cathartic!

  298. 298.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 6:54 pm

    @lamh47: Nice looking people!

  299. 299.

    zhena gogolia

    August 14, 2024 at 6:55 pm

    So what is it about podcasts that makes it impossible to listen to them? Someone here recommended a podcast that had Patton Oswalt as a guest, and I love Patton Oswalt, and it was on Youtube, so I put it on while I was doing postcards, but I just COULD NOT LISTEN TO IT. They just ramble and mumble and make jokes I don’t understand.

  300. 300.

    Geminid

    August 14, 2024 at 6:56 pm

    @zhena gogolia: The Russians likely told the Iranians, “Why in the world would you hack the Trump campaign? We could have told you anything you wanted to know. All you had to do was ask!”

  301. 301.

    Chris Johnson

    August 14, 2024 at 6:58 pm

    I do not buy that mainstream media is in any way good faith or honest, and I am a little shocked how deep the rot’s been revealed to go. Obviously I think I know why this is (Putin, manufacturing support for imperialism, using the same techniques by which he conquered the Republican Party), but I don’t know the details of any of it.

    I just know that no good can come of giving these people any sort of opportunity to act as anything other than, it would appear, enemy soldiers tasked to defend the chances of Donald Trump. Because that’s what they’re going to do, whatever you might WANT them to do or wish they did or used to do.

    I don’t know how to fix it. Villago delenda est. I don’t think it’s their fault, exactly. I think they’re hostages. With information bombs strapped to their chests. If they were able to be more coy about all this, they would, knowing their exposure and the risk of burning their credibility. Apparently there’s something more important than their own survival and well-being. I don’t think they’re all true believers and MAGAs, I think they’re under duress and trying to pretend everything is normal when it is very much not.

  302. 302.

    UncleEbeneezer

    August 14, 2024 at 7:01 pm

    @catclub: This seems relevant (Magdi Jacobs again on Xitter):

    I don’t think that, in general, people realize just how horny conservative men are for liberal women.

    It’s weird. Like there’s these men who are legitimately intimidated by liberal women and they think they can “fuck” their way out of itl, but then liberal women are like, “Having a conversation with you makes me feel like a desert in Arizona,” & the men can’t stand it.

    Kamala Harris is bringing this out to some extent. The Republican Party seems steeped in a “deeply frustrated boner” aura.

    Liberal women are the “whore” in the conservative man’s Virgin/Whore paradigm except there are a few problems, the first of which is that liberal women have no respect for conservative men & the second of which is that liberal women won’t have sex with conservative men.

    The whole atmosphere turns into a type of “raging-blue-balls” situation wherein the frustrated conservative man cannot fuck his way into being respected, or talk or think his way into being respected, & so he then starts just sputtering random insults that make no damn sense.

    Anyway, that’s the process conservative men go through when speaking to liberal women on the internet and also in real life. It’s so predictable that it’s become somewhat sad. Or “Sad!” in terms conservative men might understand.

  303. 303.

    strange visitor (from another planet)

    August 14, 2024 at 7:02 pm

    @Gretchen: sean evans. it’s a great show, he’s a well-prepared, gifted interviewer.

  304. 304.

    Kay

    August 14, 2024 at 7:02 pm

    @artem1s:

    I know she does rallies and anyone can watch You Tube. But a lot of people watch ordinary news! They don’t delve into this that deeply where they’re considering the candidate’s relationship with the media or how that intersects with them. I don’t think we can tell them what they should be doing. Maybe they care about other things and just want the government to run in the background. That’s allowed. We want them – all of them. This isn’t an elaborate social commentary. It’s sales and marketing. We want people to see and hear her. It doesn’t matter at all who is sitting across from her, unless this is “payback” or some kind of round about way of “improving” media. She has enough to do without worrying about their stupid industry. Book a whole bunch, half hour each, over a 48 hour period and move on. No “exclusives”, no “specials”, just a series of low stakes opoortunities for her to use to her advantage, one after another.

  305. 305.

    Manyakitty

    August 14, 2024 at 7:02 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I still don’t care for audiobooks, but there are a few podcasts I can listen to. WTF was my entry point, because I already liked Marc Maron’s comedy. He is audio only, if that makes a difference. I also listen to Jack, about the special counsel cases. Oh, and I’m about to start Books of All Time.

    My recommendation is to go to wtfpod.com, find the Obama interview or anyone else who looks interesting and give it a try. He spends the first several minutes talking about his life, his cats, the news, etc, then gets down to it.

  306. 306.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2024 at 7:02 pm

    @zhena gogolia

    Come grumble by me. I don’t get the attraction either.

  307. 307.

    matt

    August 14, 2024 at 7:09 pm

    @David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch: He’s probably resting that on Harris’ fairly neutral favorability polling (which is that way because of partisanship and high name recognition).

  308. 308.

    matt

    August 14, 2024 at 7:12 pm

    @David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch: he’s looking a little like he had some polonium.

  309. 309.

    Captain C

    August 14, 2024 at 7:24 pm

    @BR: Gonna be an interesting Thanksgiving table for that family this year.

  310. 310.

    catclub

    August 14, 2024 at 7:26 pm

    @3Sice:HA!  I was suggesting that ad  three weeks ago!  They did not give me credit! UNpossible that anyone else could think of that.

  311. 311.

    SW

    August 14, 2024 at 7:49 pm

    Probably past time to start ignoring Twitter X.

  312. 312.

    Chris

    August 14, 2024 at 8:00 pm

    @artem1s:

    From a Catholic, please accept a hearty congratulations for your last two sentences. You win the thread.

  313. 313.

    Ksmiami

    August 14, 2024 at 8:03 pm

    @Turgidson: from now on, the press team in a democratic wh needs to be messaging about the successful policies every damn day.

  314. 314.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 14, 2024 at 8:06 pm

    Folks, 30 points and there is MORE????

    Look, if you haven’t done it in 3 or 4 posts, it’s done. You blew it.

  315. 315.

    Gloria DryGarden

    August 14, 2024 at 8:08 pm

    @Jay: I grew up in a middle class family. My sister told me our mom told her we were poor. Too late to ask my mom about it. We always had food, a home, clothes dr visits, a car, vacation camping trips, separate bedrooms. I guess middle class folks are unaware there are people who don’t have that.

    im intrigued by Portugal’s approach to drug addiction; they’ve decriminalized it. It’s more about getting people help and community connection.

    meanwhile laws to control addictive pain meds have made it so a friend of mine can’t get the dosages he needs. It’s limited such that he can only get so much. In this case, it’s a bad fit; he is in an agony of serious chronic pain for a spine condition he has.
    im pretty sure it has very little to do with “immigrants”

  316. 316.

    stinger

    August 14, 2024 at 8:31 pm

    @Jeffro: ​
     Or even just an extreme closeup of his ear so we can all see the scar.

  317. 317.

    K-Mo

    August 14, 2024 at 9:05 pm

    @Jay: thanks- great link!

  318. 318.

    Shalimar

    August 14, 2024 at 9:12 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer: Incels use “whore” as a slur for women who won’t fuck them.  The woman doesn’t even have to be fucking anyone else.  It’s hilariously stupid.

  319. 319.

    stinger

    August 14, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    @Baud: Sure. I was just “telling” the MSM that they don’t matter much any more.

  320. 320.

    stinger

    August 14, 2024 at 9:24 pm

    @Trollhattan: Obama did Between Two Ferns, as well.

  321. 321.

    stinger

    August 14, 2024 at 9:30 pm

    @catclub: ​
     Hah! I didn’t want to say “X for Kamala”, which would imply that Musk Melon is a supporter. Guess I didn’t think it through far enough!
    “So-and-sos for Kamala”?

  322. 322.

    StringOnAStick

    August 14, 2024 at 10:10 pm

    @M31: That’s even more interesting than you’re first intriguing comment!  Music is a huge part of my life as a singer and musician, and one of the guys who lives behind us is a classical oboe player with many recordings to his name; as a teacher he’s gotten 5 kids into Julliard.  The best part of retirement for me and my husband is we’ve found a musical community that rewards growth and improvisation, so we’re very happy with the place we moved to when we retired.

  323. 323.

    way2blue

    August 14, 2024 at 11:54 pm

    If/when Kamala does interviews with journalists, I wonder whether sitting down with a couple well regarded reporters in a swing state (with topics tailored to that state) would be more effective than sparring with the horse-race crew.  Then another swing state, and another…

  324. 324.

    Darkrose

    August 15, 2024 at 3:17 am

    @Jay: Really good article, and an interesting site. Thanks!

  325. 325.

    Ramona

    August 15, 2024 at 3:19 am

    @JML:

     

    @KatKapCC:

     

    @KatKapCC: Duloxetine => no hot flashes for me…

  326. 326.

    Darkrose

    August 15, 2024 at 4:21 am

    @zhena gogolia:  I don’t like most podcasts that use a lot of music, or that run ads. I prefer two people; more than three and I have trouble telling who’s talking. I burned out of fiction serials early with Welcome to Night Vale; now I mostly listen to nonfiction deep dives into a specific topic.

    And when I say listen, I mean “My wife and I can quote parts of episodes of Maintenance Phase and If Books Could Kill from memory. I frequently fall asleep to the dulcet tones of Michael Hobbes and Aubrey Gordon, or Hobbes and Peter Shamshiri. They’re smart and funny leftists who do their research–I have the “Methodology Queen” t-shirt from Maintenance Phase–who talk about interesting stuff in a way that I find very engaging. And I learn so much stuff, especially stuff that’s relevant to my job as an academic librarian.

    Books did a Patreon episode about Chris Cillizza last year; I should go back and listed to it again.

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