It was a brand new day today, and another tape of JD Vance once again being unable to keep his piehole shut, this time insulting a large swath of the electorate:
JD Vance in 2021, while discussing earlier waves of immigration to the US:
"You had this massive wave of Italian, Irish and German immigration and that had its problems, its consequences. You had higher crime rates, you had these ethnic enclaves, you had inter-ethnic conflict in… pic.twitter.com/SQNPwaPBLx
— Jacqueline Sweet (@JSweetLI) August 15, 2024
For those of you who do not know this already, Scots-Irish, Italian, and German immigrants formed the basis for about 80% of the population in WV and Kentucky. If he had thrown in Slavs and Poles he would have just about covered 95% of the population of West Virginia. JD Vance nee James Donald Bowman is himself… Scots-Irish. The self-loathing in this man is something to behold, and I dare say JD hates himself as much as Trump loves himself. A weird pairing.
We’re already on the topic of JD Vance, so I will restate my unvarnished thoughts I shared on twitter earlier. Longtime readers are now thinking to themselves- “Wait, these are his polished thoughts I’ve been reading all these years? That’s fucking terrifying.” And you would be right. There is not a day that passes without me being thankful that mindreaders don’t actually exist.
At any rate, like I said earlier, because my brain and internal monologue fucking hate me, all I could think about for four hours while mowing this morning was JD fucking Vance and all these fucking nutters who won’t shut up about women having babies. I mean sweet jeebus on the cross enough with this shit:
Everyone: Stop being so fucking weird and creepy.
JD Vance: pic.twitter.com/G2m96NtlLi
— Cake or Death (@Johngcole) August 14, 2024
These guys are going on and on and on about increasing the birth rate and they are so out of fucking tough I often wonder if they have ever talked to a woman let alone seen or touched a vagina. They sound like a weird mishmash of incels and redpilled freaks and christian nutjobs. Scratch that- they sound like that because that is what they are.
Regardless, they keep saying they want more babies and then keep doing everything humanly possible for there to be fewer women willing to have babies. There are lots of things you could do to increase birth rates- the first of which is men becoming less awful, and in particular, white men. 60% of us voted for Trump in the last election, and you wonder why women don’t want to have as many babies?
As you all know, having a kid is a huge and risky sacrifice. For men, the only contribution is thirty seconds of doing one of our absolutely favorite things in the world. For women, it’s a lifetime commitment and one that can kill you and for most of human existence was one of the leading causes of death for women. JD Vance and his guys have spent the better part of fifty years culminating in the Dobbs decision to make it more fucking dangerous for women. So start there.
Be less awful and maybe more women will feel more comfortable.
Give women reproductive freedom.
Give women prenatal care.
Make giving birth free.
Give women maternity leave.
Guarantee healthcare for children until age 18.
Close the paygap between men and women.
Make housing affordable again and/or subsidize it for families with kids.
Stop shaming single women with children.
Make it easier for women to continue on a career path after taking off time to have kids.
And on and on and on.
But they don’t and won’t and do the exact fucking opposite. So please, for the sake of the rest of us, just shut the fuck up until the adults are in charge.
In other news, polling data seems to be moving in a positive direction for Harris, so I think we will just stop here on an up note. Plus, I am tired, anyway.
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twbrandt
As someone who’s German on my dad’s side, and Irish/Scottish/English on my mom’s, fuck him.
Van Buren
So now even the immigrants who came here “the right way” were a problem? Reminds me of some other folks who were obcessed with ethnicity and culture.
Jeffro
that “presser” sure was something today, wasn’t it?
you can kind of tell from the “reporting” that the “reporters” are getting tired of getting played…well, not for getting played by itself, it’s more like they’re feeling the heat from us about how stupid and biased and also stupid they are for falling for trumpov’s “press conferences”
(and we’re the only ones paying for subscriptions – it sure ain’t MAGA!)
We should probably get a pool going as to when the first “reporter” asks trumpov a “real” “question” at one of these “pressers”. It doesn’t even have to be about the $10M bribe from Egypt (although that would be great). Maybe something about him potentially fleeing to Venezuela? See what shakes loose, snooze media!
Flanders Other Neighbor
It feels like the “mind your own damn business” advice becomes more obviously relevant each day. These dopes are just never going to change course.
Leto
Just remember, it was all a plot of Deep Snek!
Steve LaBonne
@twbrandt: I like to tease my wife (who is mostly Pennsylvania Dutch) with Ben Franklin’s notorious screed against German immigrants. I am mostly Irish myself so yeah Vance can fuck himself (after he’s done with the couch).
dmsilev
Complaining about Italian and Irish immigrants? How very 1840s of him. In any event, I hear that there’s this writer guy in England who had a modest proposal for dealing with excess Irish population; perhaps Senator Vance will take inspiration from him next?
frog
“Subsidize”? The roar of conservative objections will be immediate. “That is Socialism! Only a free market solution is acceptable!”
Well, both parents now need to work to afford housing, and the free market result was let kids. Conservatives don’t like THAT free market result so they want the government to impose a right wing solution.
Steve LaBonne
@Van Buren: There WAS no “right way” for much of our history. You just got off the boat. There were no immigration laws or border officials.
Ken
That’s exactly what they’ve controlled you to think.
Baud
Via reddit, Mike Pence is Lord of the Flies
J. Arthur Crank
Here is a theory that makes as much sense as the rest of the theories I have heard: “J.D. Vance” is actually Hillary Clinton in a clever disguise. After the 2016 election, she vowed to fuck Trump over. On early 2021 she eliminated the real Vance and took his place. She (as Vance) started to plant the seeds of getting “Vance” on the 2024 ticket. Along the way, she (as Vance) started saying stupid shit on film/tape and stashed the snippets so that they could be “found” in the middle of the 2024 campaign. Once “Vance” was nominated, she continued to hold stupid rallies and saying stupid shit.
This theory makes sense because “Vance” is doing exactly what a Democrat plant would do to bring down the GOP ticket. The proof: have you ever seen Vance and Hillary Clinton in the same room together? I rest my case.
sukabi
@Baud: he’s decaying, flies and maggots have moved in…
Baud
@J. Arthur Crank:
Nah, she’d try to win, then shiv Trump to become president, then at her first SOTU, rip off her Vance mask and exclaim “Email this, motherfuckers!”
Leto
@Steve LaBonne: There wasn’t, but the screed from conservatives for the past 40 years has been, “They need to come here the right way!” I need to ask them if that means coming here, displacing the native population, buying our land for trinkets and baubles, then if we don’t leave just slaughtering us? And for the remaining, shipping us off to reservations? Is that the right way?
schrodingers_cat
Who is the bald guy on the left and what the fuck is happening with his beard.
bbleh
@J. Arthur Crank: LOL. I was just thinking, “the guy has real talent! … for an up-and-coming Democrat, I mean.”
Hillary would have done drag better though.
Scout211
Trump’s bonkers “press conference” has been discussed in threads downstairs but the headline at NOTUS is just perfect:
J. Arthur Crank
@Baud: Hmm, this may be a fatal argument against my otherwise genius theory.
lamh47
Before the politics of it all, can I share some good news for me…
I woke up this AM with a bad headache and a big ole deposit in my bank for my the total loss cost of my stolen vehicle!!!
Now I gotta decide, should I use the money for a new car AND a new car note OR use it to plan my entire kick azz travel plans for next year??
DECISIONS…DECISIONS…DECISIONS!!
Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.)
I think you’re mistaken about Trump loving himself. I think he hates himself. He only tells everybody how utterly wonderful and amazing he is because he’s locked in a desperate lifelong struggle to convince himself how fucking awesome he is. That more than anything is what drives him: a frantic fight to forever hide from himself what he truly knows.
rikyrah
Vance hates women.
Beginning. Middle. End.
Of the story
Baud
@lamh47:
👍
Leto
@Baud: “How do you like them risottos???”
Elizabeth Warren pops up, “Mah gurl is wicked smaht.”
lamh47
Now back to the politics of it all.
I love the plain way Symone Sanders Townsend talks about politics and strategy. Seriously, her and Lawrence O are my fav people on MSNBC!
it’s a great clip, def check it out.
rikyrah
@lamh47:
Just wait and think about it, lamh.
Steve LaBonne
@Leto: They fucking revel in those things, as I’m sure you know far better than I. The fact that Europeans were the greediest, most violent thieves on earth is the proof of their superiority.
HumboldtBlue
I’ve made this statement before. As a man who grew up in a house with four amazing sisters and an awesome mother, it wasn’t until my late 20s, early 30s that I learned just how many men hate women. Despise them with a burning passion. Utterly threw me for a loop. I’m still gobsmacked and always will be.
Betsy
@twbrandt: He’s insulted me as a cat lady, as a childfree woman, a postmenopausal woman, and now as a German-American whose gg parents lived in one of those awful, awful all-German ethnic neighborhoods that had a Lutheran church and a public school on every block. It was AWFUL, I tell you, especially the all-Schwäbisch girl scout troops at each of the churches.
Every week this freak piles another insult onto the list.
counterfactual
Vance says anti-immigrant violence started with the Irish? In my hometown founded 1795, the stinky weird Frenchmen were relegated to a ghetto village half a mile from town, and east of there another group of Frenchmen were establishing a new settlement to escape discrimination in the original states.
MagdaInBlack
@Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.): I was going to say that is my only quibble with John’s post: trump loathes himself too.
Gretchen
John, did you see that Tim Walz likes white boy tacos? He might be a Balloon Juice reader!
MagdaInBlack
@rikyrah: Oh yeah.
Chet Murthy
@lamh47: In a better world, a better timeline, she’s absolutely right. But I think that in this world, in this timeline, where we know that TCFG is not held to the standards that Ms. Sanders describes, it’s a perfectly legitimate thing for VP Harris to do, to try to achieve the same treatment for her campaign. Perfectly legitimate. Heck, it might even be characterized as malpractice to -not- work hard on just flying on vibes to get as high as you can, before you have to get down to policy specifics.
After all, that’s what TCFG did in his entire political career.
HumboldtBlue
Carole King weighs in on childless cat ladies.
schrodingers_cat
Who does potato boy like? The list of who he hates is endless.
Ken
No charge for the tune-up.
In related news, my (so far) favorite meme about this is a picture f rom Terminator: Dark Fate of Linda Hamilton firing a bazooka. Caption: “The whole purpose of post-menopausal women is to prevent the rise of generative AI.”
Steve LaBonne
@Chet Murthy: White-paper “politics” has been the curse of the Democratic Party for a long time. Only weirdos like us commenters on political blogs care about long-winded policy wonkery. Thank the FSM that Harris understands actual normie voters.
Baud
@Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.):
Dammit. Now I have something in common with him.
JFitz
JD Vance is the Blake Masters of Sarah Palins.
3Sice
The Lord of the Flies reminding dimestore don of their agreement at today’s presser.
Jay
@Jeffro:
“Sir, these huge, beautiful, massive, unprecedented crowds in history ever attending your speeches,……………….
Are they in the room with us right now?”
Scout211
We will be soon be allowed to use digital driver’s licenses in California using Apple and/or Google Wallet. My question, what is the advantage of a digital driver’s license when you still have to carry the card with you?
Chet Murthy
@Steve LaBonne: Yes! Indeed! And something else: -governing- always involves tradeoffs, and that always means that there are people who get the short end of the stick. Even if everybody’s piece of the pie increases in size, some people’s piece doesn’t grow as fast. And that’s going to cause resentment and opposition. Delaying the point at which you get specific, can be helpful to your campaign. And something else: We know that with the reappearance of The Big Lie, the bad guys are able to turn nothing into massive bad feeling about your campaign. There’s no point in giving the bad guys any ammo, none at all.
I really do wonder if the “all vibes campaign” is the only viable response to The Big Lie. B/c nothing else has worked. When the other side makes every policy discussion into a lie-fest, what else can you do, other than retreat to beauty contests, popularity contests?
RaflW
I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but did the Ohio Dem who ran against him not pay for any oppo research? It seems like Tim Ryan would have had some material to work with. Oh well.
lamh47
@rikyrah: Oh…I’m not planning to even look at buying another car or have a car note until after my birthday this year…maybe January.
Cause here I not only have to add car note, car insurance, but ALSO paid parking! So a new car could lead to at least $500 more a month.
Steve LaBonne
@Chet Murthy: You do what Harris is doing- advance a modest number of broad, popular policy goals (“lower grocery prices”) without getting into details that 1) are bound to change in the course of Congressional horse-trading and 2) give your opponent handy targets. Reporters understand this perfectly well (and DON’T understand or care about policy details themselves) so their demands for detailed policy statements are performative bullshit.
Dangerman
I’ve got bad news for JDV; unless you are Indigenous, you are an immigrant or product of immigration. So shut the everlovingfuck up (hope I spelled that right).
lamh47
SomeRandomGuy
Quick tip: Say “vulva” instead of “vagina”. It’s almost as good as knowing the difference between a magazine, and a clip, only, this involves something important, like the human body, and reproductive health. Also, this includes a clit, which should be reason enough, though I’m sure some gay men would also find the terminology useful.
Steve LaBonne
@RaflW: Tim Ryan ran a shockingly bad campaign. The Ohio Democratic Party is depressing. Sherrod Brown somehow survives (fingers crossed) pretty much on his own.
Chet Murthy
@RaflW: I sure don’t know, but perhaps this is just the effect of the gradual realization among Dems that you have to actually -fight- the bad guys, and “that isn’t cricket” isn’t going to work ? I mean, Cole remarked that Harris came up in 1994-and-after California, seeing California turn into a majority-minority state. Others cited AOC’s words that she never saw G(r)OPers as responsible partners: her entire life, they’ve been bad guys, to be opposed by all means necessary, and she’s never been afraid of them, b/c they’ve been a constant.
Shorter: Maybe it’s simply that Tim Ryan didn’t have the right stuff?
sab
Italian, Irish and German immigrants are a problem? They are the bedrock of the Midwest. 30% of Americans anywhere have German ancestry. I have no Italian, but I have Irish and German. My grandmother had grandparents from Ireland. She despised the Irish ( snob!!!) although her Irish grandparents were solid decent people who worked hard and built a life fore their kids.
lamh47
@Chet Murthy: But also…
Look here at the discussion between the two reporters who pride themselves on having Chump on speed dial…smh Of course voters don’t care…because Harris/Walz and their supporters are speaking to voters directly. Let’em keep wasting their time…the media paying Chumps adverts bills basically…
Let them waste their time as long as they can…after the DNC which will have party policy integrated with nominee policies and go into the next debate with an upswing.
TBone
Has anyone seen the story about the Rethug from West Virginia apparently pleasuring himself in public? He has been removed from his, uh, position.
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/08/wv-lawmaker-arrested-overt-act-self
Chet Murthy
@Steve LaBonne: Yyep. And I still haven’t seen any daylight between her and Biden’s governing record, either. So for any reporter who wanted to actually do even the tiniest bit of digging, they could ferret out her ostensibly policy positions, and simply write about those. But they don’t, b/c (agreeing with you) they don’t care about policy: what they care about is being able to write up fistfights, gossip, drama.
E.g. Ms. Sanders mentions fracking. I’m pretty sure I saw Harris come out and say she wouldn’t ban fracking (again, in line with Biden). I mean, Harris came right out and said it!
SomeRandomGuy
@Dangerman: I think it’s spelled “ever living, ever loving, I mean it or I’ll dopeslap the everfucking SHIT out of you so hard your own momma will slap you and call you a crybaby, fuck up.”
But I might have missed something in the middle. You were speaking Groot, right, where the emotional emphasis is intended to convey the literal meaning?
3Sice
She did policy today. What this guy is doing! It seems to be a winner among Democrats, but the press won’t ever be happy with that.
lamh47
Also, why dafuq would anyone want to talk to chump shills like this:
Black women are overwhelming voting Dem and will overhwhelming vote for Harris/Walz…but nah…CNN goes to the 1 out 99 Black woman who supports Trump…smh..really.
Harrison Wesley
@lamh47: Sarah Palin came off as clueless (to me, anyway). Vance comes off as somebody who enjoys eating babies.
Harrison Wesley
@TBone: Uh oh. Toobin Syndrome raises its head…, maybe I should rephrase that.,,,
George
@Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.):
Trump loves himself. At a minimum he is a malignant narcissist. Likely he is a psychopath. People like him enjoy causing pain. The more they cause, they more satisfied they are.
I do wish people would stop trying to argue that he is a broken person, that he is trying to find his daddy’s love, or whatever. That stuff is good for movies, I guess, but Trump never will have a “rosebud” moment because psychopaths never do.
Gretchen
It’s true that the Irish and Italians tried to stay separate and didn’t get along all that well at first. And then their kids started marrying each other. There are as many Irish/Italians as people who are just one or the other. My Irish cousin married an Italian. My Irish self married an Italian. My parents really wanted me to marry a nice Irish boy who didn’t drink (sure, Mom). My dad, who prided himself on being able to pronounce all the Detroit Slavic names that didn’t have enough vowels, was still mis-pronouncing my husband’s name after we were married as his own little rebellion. I told him that he sounded stupid not being able to say his own daughter’s name (the one and only time I was disrespectful) and he suddenly got it right.
Cousin’s Irish/Italian son married a Jewish/Italian girl. My Irish/Italian/Czech daughter married an Indian guy. He was scared to tell his parents he was dating a white girl, but when they found that she was Catholic (as they are), they were ok with it. Cousin and I both now have happily married offspring and lovely grandchildren.
That’s really what these bozos are afraid of: that it will really be fine, and they won’t be able to divide us and make us scared of each other. I just can’t figure out how Mrs. Vance and her family fit into Mr. Vance’s doom-scrolling vision of how this is all terrible.
lamh47
@lamh47:
Or how about this cutting journalism…
I love that majority of the responses are… did he “grow” them himself…cause…I have feeling…other “people” grew it FOR him, likely against their will
Peke Daddy
@Betsy: What are the Portuguese, model citizens here? Our sausage is too spicy and we smell of salt cod?
Jeffro
“I’ll take ‘how much inside baseball can you fit into 9 words’ for $400, Alex”
(seriously, bravo!) LOL
TBone
@Harrison Wesley: 😁
NotMax
“Please proceed, weirdo.”
Harrison Wesley
@lamh47: What was Jefferson vice president of in 1767?
Gretchen
My (Irish/Italian) daughter lived for awhile in Medford, MA, outside of Boston, in a 3-family flat typical of the area. I was amused to learn that the city didn’t want people putting an apartment in the basement, so they decreed that you could put either a kitchen or a bathroom in the basement, but not both. The Italians put in a summer kitchen so they could can their pasta sauce. The Irish put in a bathroom so they could have a party room.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@lamh47:
And honestly? Who the hell would know about that little obscure factoid, anyway? Talk about being pedantic and petty. This is not something you fact check over
Jeffro
oh my
now see, THAT would be a good question for some “reporters” to ask at trumpov’s next “press conference”…
…”sir? JD Vance is now the most unpopular vice presidential nominee in modern history. Does that reflect on you, your team, JD, or some other entity?”
(and then just let him go on…=)
bonus points* for the follow-up: “sir…what happened to your last vice president and why isn’t he running with you or even endorsing you this time around?”
*never happen, I know, I know…
Jay
@lamh47:
@Harrison Wesley:
and ratio’d. She said she “might be”.
funny how words have meaning.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jeffro:
“That’s a very unfair and stupid question.”
Jacqueline Squid Onassis
The GOP was taken over by the Birchers some time between 2012 and 2016 and that was fucking horrifying. Since 2020, however, the Birchers have been dislodged by the incels, MRA’s, MGTOW and all the other extra-online misogynist nazis. We’re sure about to see what the country thinks about those groups and I’m hopeful it’ll be the same thing I think – absolute fucking creepy weirdos who shouldn’t be allowed within a universe-length of power.
lamh47
@lamh47:
Oh maybe Harris/Walz should to the journos at CBS…I mean as meandering as that Chump “presser” was…THIS is the headline CBS goes with…not biased at all!
I say Harris/Walz should continue to say FUQ’EM for as long as they can.
Leto
Days since JV Vance insulted women:
10Honestly there’s no point in changing that number, ever.
chrisanthemama
@sukabi: I call shenanigans: there are some things even flies won’t touch.
BR
The rumors are hilarious that with Trump’s old-new campaign manager back in charge, he will try to push out Vance and replace him with Noem since they were an item.
Poe Larity
@Gretchen: When JD hears Melting Pot, he thinks Hansel & Gretel.
M31
yup — knew someone who was worse off after Obamacare was implemented — his state was more generous on some things specific to him prior. Didn’t ruin his life but still was a serious financial burden
I mean, the country as a whole, and most people, were better off, but not him.
Scout211
@Jeffro: He’s already answered that question by saying that Vice Presidential candidates aren’t that important. Then Vance was asked about it and (of course) he agreed with Trump:
So there you have it. Vance is worth jack shit.
dmsilev
@BR: She’ll take Vance out to that gravel pit?
BellyCat
Just needed to see that again.
lamh47
of course we’ll see when the votes are counted, but it does feel different.
scav
We played with this stellar piece of outreach yet? TFCG, not the talented sidekick.
And to think he’s apparently trying to be the CIC of those he considers losers.
Darkrose
@lamh47: Yay!!!
Chet Murthy
@scav: MSM: “ehh, it’s priced-in: we all know this is what Donnie’s like, snooooore”
Jeffro
@Scout211: yeah but at the time of the pick, it was genius; since then, trump has ‘discovered’ that VP picks don’t (usually) matter too much.
(except as usual with trump…everything he touches turns to shit…so this time around, it probably is costing him votes)
I just want some “reporter” to needle him about it, fwiw
Jager
@schrodingers_cat:
Another guy wondering why women tell him to piss off all the time.
scav
@Chet Murthy: Ah, but since when have we played following MSM rules?
Gretchen
@sab: The Irish despised everybody else, too. They even despised members of their own group. There were multiple layers of the Irish-immigrant hierarchy. There were lace-curtain Irish, shanty Irish, and, worst of all, Achill Irish. I didn’t know what that meant until I was an adult, but my mother criticized Aunt Rose as a hillbilly sort, an “ackill’ Irish. Her family was from a nearly-unpopulated island off the coast of the west Ireland where my starving, ragged ancestors came from. But at least they weren’t hillbillies from Achill. And they were pretty smug about their bona-fides, and sure didn’t want their daughters marrying Italians.
dmsilev
@scav: I read that earlier and was impressed; even by his standards, that’s pretty horrible.
Chet Murthy
@dmsilev: The day’s gonna come when he makes his golf caddy a Cabinet Secretary. I mean, since he doesn’t have a horse.
ETA: ha, but he -does- have the equivalent in Johnny McEntee. So in a TCFG Restoration, which Cabinet post does McEntee get? sigh.
Jeffro
btw this is interesting: FBI raids farm of Russian cut-out er excuse me Putin friend er excuse me “Russian”
is it time to roll ’em all up?
*the report concluded, or Bill Barr concluded???
Harrison Wesley
@lamh47: I’ve spent a few hours this week at the Manatee County Democrats greeter table for early voters in my area. The response has been amazing, especially in such a red county. And I don’t get excited about politics. Wild enthusiasm by every person you could imagine. Going back tomorrow for some more. It’s been a lot of fun.
Gin & Tonic
@Jeffro:
That’s a very interesting development.
NotMax
@lamh47
Perhaps we all hallucinated him explicitly stating at the RNC that would be “the only time” he’d bring up the incident.
Jager
@Gretchen:
An Italian pal of mine told me it was easier to have your mom teach your Irish wife to cook, rather than put up with a temperamental Italian girl.
HumboldtBlue
@Gretchen:
Damn skippy.
brendancalling
@lamh47: they are desperate for a horse race. It’s pathetic and hilarious. So out of touch and irrelevant.
cain
@schrodingers_cat:
I was thinking the same thing . Looks like he modeled the wall Trump would like to build.
HumboldtBlue
@lamh47:
In fairness to Jacobs, he was being tongue-in-cheek, I believe.
Wombat Probability Cloud
@schrodingers_cat: Anton Chigurh would approve the dye job on that beard. Not weird at all.
brendancalling
@sab: Im going to have to make some calls tomorrow.
HumboldtBlue
@scav:
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!
Gretchen
@Jager: Interesting. I can confirm that we Irish aren’t great cooks. An Indian girl I went to school with asked me what spices my mom used, and I said, um, salt? Pepper, sparingly? She was horrified.
I related when Walz told Harris that black pepper is at the top of the spicy pyramid for him. I hate black pepper.
Kayla Rudbek
@Gretchen: I’m not sure whether it was the GI generation or the Boomers who really started marrying across ethnic lines first (my family it was the GI generation aka my grandparents, Andrew Greeley writing about Chicago Catholics from the 1960s-2000s had the intermarriage across ethnic lines being more the Boomers and Gen X)
Lily
I think many GOP and libertarian guys have been troubled since women became able to press charges against white rapists of their income and class level. And plagued by workplace harassment laws that can get you fired just for ‘fooling around,’ ‘having a little fun’ or relieving stress.
Enraged that ‘taking advantage’ has been turned into a nightmare. Now that any woman can unfairly claim molestation or rape even if you were drunk, or if she was drinking or flirting, in college, caught out alone, or tricked by superior male intelligence.
Hundreds of years of tradition, passed down from one guy to another, have been made illegal. Guys like Trump, Kavanaugh, probably Vance, their supporters and admirers feel called to destroy the liberal society that allows women to hold this power over them. (And that’s just the women part.)
Tehanu
Just saying thanks, John, for that list of what mothers actually need.
HumboldtBlue
Acyn has compiled another long thread from the Trump event.
If you’re willing to watch…
He’s the stupidest motherfucker to ever appear in the main spotlight. He’s so fucking stupid, he makes Palin seem bright. The motherfucker is stupid in a generational way, in that, folks 100 years from now will know just how fucking stupid this stupid motherfucker is.
TF79
@Dangerman: Sounds just like something a sneaky German immigrant would say, Dangerman… or should I say DanGERMAN *rips off rubber mask
lamh47
Chile, not me watching Con Air for the first time in decades!
“I’m going To Save The Fucking Day”
https://youtu.be/4CFMtlo22pY?si=XwyV9Q2sT68j1ve5 via @YouTube
HumboldtBlue
@HumboldtBlue:
I’m an idiot, that thread is from Aaron Rupar.
schrodingers_cat
@Wombat Probability Cloud: Who?
Jay
@HumboldtBlue:
For those for whom the Dead Bird site is dead,
https://nitter.poast.org/atrupar/status/1824179800887451952#m
Kayla Rudbek
@Jager: LOL – apparently Mr. Rudbek’s Sicilian grandmother? (Great-grandma? Need to verify with him) would throw knives at people when she was mad and in the kitchen.
My first-generation Italian-American grandfather married a woman of Irish descent. Grandpa would grow peppers and tomatoes in his gardens and cook them up himself, along with making zucchini bread. I don’t remember much about Grandma’s cooking, but the food at the Italian family parties (Christmastime and summer) was always good. And I still need to find the recipe for the jumbadeens (fried dough, not too sweet and not too savory, a bit like beignets or funnel cakes but a lot less sweet, no powdered sugar involved. Some sort of Calabrese dialect term, I think. I only had them at Great-Grandma’s and I could barely understand her accent),
HumboldtBlue
@Jay:
Thanks, Jay.
lamh47
@lamh47:
Listen…I like LeAnn’s version, but you can’t beat that Tricia Yearwood! It’s the difference between a woman singing “How Will I Live” vs a teenager/young woman singing…it changes #ConAir
https://youtu.be/_1TLXRCiR1I?si=O-lbpcbT9axjhVAh
schrodingers_cat
@Wombat Probability Cloud: Google told me who that was. I haven’t seen the movie, so didn’t get the reference.
Old School
In case this hasn’t got posted yet:
Chris
Well. Blaming Italian, Irish, and German immigrants of a hundred years ago for increased violence and social problems had as much basis in fact as blaming Middle Eastern and Latin American immigrants for those things today, so if you’re going to do one of those things you might as well do the other.
Chris
@counterfactual:
Huh. Given the dates, I’m curious, were the stinky weird Frenchmen immigrants from Canada coming down here to the newly independent nation because anything was better than living under the redcoats?
tam1MI
Being kind of pedantic here, but he is the most unpopular in the history of polling, which, granted, has been around for over a hundred years now.
Besides…
::Cough cough:: Aaron Burr ::Cough cough::
Jay
@Chris:
funny that,
https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/statistical-briefing-book/crime/faqs/ucr_table_2
Ivan X
Not everyone has what it takes to see or touch a vagina (without paying for it, anyway), but they can shut their dumb mouths about it, as opposed to trying to bend the world to their deprivation and resentment.
Lyrebird
@lamh47: Thanks for posting the folk guitar inspiration! Love it.
And yeah I am not a financial planner. Friends of mine encourage always putting a cut into savings before I plan what else to do with money coming in, plus a little fun.
lamh47
OOOH…maybe Kamala should speak to the media like CNN who allowed Nancy Mace to misprounce Kamala Harris name the entire fuq’n time until Eric Dyson called her azz out.
And this is the media folks trying to shame Kamala Harris for not talking to…FUQ that I hope Harris/Walz keep taking it directly to the people instead of biased shit like this…smh.
Someone said she went full fuq’n KKK
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1824278406059758026
Citizen Alan
@tam1MI: Aaron Burr was pretty popular as VP seeing as how he nearly beat Jefferson for President, IIRC. His unpopularity came later with that whole treason thing.
Chet Murthy
@lamh47: I have to say, when I hear someone mispronounce her name, I automatically write ’em down as a MAGAt. It’s automatic.
HumboldtBlue
Seeing as though it’s a universal and timeless sentiment:
I have always wanted to smoke a joint with these two brothers.
Counterfactual
@Chris: Mostly from Europe. You had royalists fleeing the revolution, republicans fleeing the terror, different republicans fleeing Napoleon and finally Napoleonists fleeing the new monarchy. And they brought all their feuds with them.
KatKapCC
Gave me a chuckle:
Jay
@Chris:
It was a combination of the seigneurial system and a recession in British North America. Family farms by laws of inheritance had to be divided up amongst the male heirs. Most farms fronted a river, (the trade route and source of irrigation) and with in a few generations, became narrow ribbon strips impractical for supporting a family. The recession severely impacted the “bush” industries.
The borders were just a suggestion, so from the Great Lakes to Maine, Quebecqois and Acadians sold up and moved to the US.
Ivan X
I don’t know why, but reading Cole’s impassioned post made me wonder if RedState was still there. So I looked. It is! Except you can’t read most of it, or the comments, without logging in and being sold on “VIP” benefits, and most of it that you can read sounds like the reheated crap you’d expect it to be. Sad!
Ohio Mom
@lamh47: Hate to be the party pooper but probably makes most sense to make the next car note as small as possible. You’ll save a lot on interest.
Maxim
@Baud: That needs a trigger warning.
Chet Murthy
@lamh47: I clicked-thru, started watching, and closed the window pretty quick when I saw where it was going. Later I found a RawStory article about it, and … yeap, Nancy Mace went full-on race-baiter and all. In the face of the entire panel saying “wtf, nancy?” Glad I didn’t continue to watching. Don’t need that agita.
HumboldtBlue
Trump gets fact-checked by MSNBC.
danielx
May have noted this before, but JD Vance is the gift that keeps on giving.
Purely anecdotal, but I’ve been observing American politics a long long time. I cannot think of a politician of any description who has insulted so many different groups in this short a period of time. SFB tends to pick out particular groups and keep on picking on them, but JD Vance appears to have objections to everybody. Everybody in this here US of A comes from one of four backgrounds – indigenous, slave, refugee or immigrant. That’s it. Where the fuck does he think HE came from?
Okay, need to back down, it’s too late to get my blood pressure up.
wjca
Well, at least that clarifies when he wants to go back to.
Chris
@Jeffro:
Said this before, but the number of national security and foreign policy types who’ve turned up in bed with foreign governments and organizations that are unreliably friendly at best and outright hostile at worst should goddamn terrify us. A former DIA director (Michael Flynn) becoming a consultant for the Turks and Russians, and a former private security giant (Erik Prince) for the Saudis and Chinese. A former FBI director (Bill Sessions) ending up legal counsel to the biggest mob boss in Russia. An active FBI director (James Comey) interfering in the 2016 election to help a Russian asset make it to the White House. A major tech contractor (Elon Musk) sharing information from his defense satellites with the Russians at the same time we’re trying to stop them in Ukraine. Now apparently this prick. It’s enough to make you seriously wonder about the origins of Henry Kissinger’s “don’t be so mean to Russia!” admonitions at the end of his life.
The Blob is more badly in need of cleanup than it or its predecessors have been at any point in our history.
HumboldtBlue
@scav:
That the media will completely glide over this extraordinary, and in times past, career ending burst of insulting and disgusting behavior, will be the hallmark of this era of politics and Trump.
danielx
@wjca:
Yep, the good old days when white men ran everything and everybody who wasn’t a white adult male knew their place and kept to it, or else. Through the use of fists, whips, guns or whatever else worked.
Oh wait, that was the 1950s. I’m so confused.
Frankensteinbeck
@Jager:
This amuses me, because in Mary Shelley’s last book, waaaay back around 1840, one plot point is how Italian women have a ferocious temper. I guess some stereotypes last.
Fake Irishman
@Kayla Rudbek:
Andrew Greeley! Interesting sociologist who never minded being blunt. I remember reading one of his books in a class I took on American Catholicism, and wondering why his name sounded so familiar. Then I remembered the stacks of romance novels on my mother’s and grandmother’s desks by him.
BR
https://bsky.app/profile/rismith.bsky.social/post/3kzsp24nw7u26
KatKapCC
@Ivan X: I severely do not want to know what ““VIP” benefits” means at a site like that.
Ivan X
@KatKapCC: Same, so much same.
Maxim
@Kayla Rudbek: I know of some Greatest Generation relatives on my dad’s side (Scots-English) who married Italians.
KatKapCC
@lamh47: I’m sorry, but I want her to be punched in her bigoted face. Multiple times.
The tolerant left has left the chat.
HumboldtBlue
Phillies outfielder Weston Wilson hit for the cycle against the Marlins tonight.
Go Phightin’s!!!
KatKapCC
@Ivan X: Pandora’s box, but worse.
Wombat Probability Cloud
@schrodingers_cat: Sorry, didn’t mean to be cryptic. I was reacting to the beard on the “bald guy on the left,” as if Santa Claus took fashion advice from Steven Seagal. Embarrassingly strange.
Maxim
@KatKapCC: Same.
BigJimSlade
@J. Arthur Crank: Now we just need a clip of Hillary doing the evil mwhu-ha-ha-haaa laugh!
Chet Murthy
@KatKapCC: I had this (completely fanciful) momentary dream of the entire panel deciding to call her by different and insulting names: “Ninny”, “Nancy McBigot”, “Rep. Dimbulb” etc. But that would never happen. Decorum and civility, etc, etc.
KatKapCC
@Chet Murthy: I have another name I would call her, but I won’t use it here since I know many find it verboten.
But they could have also said, “Wow, it must be tough going through life being so stupid that you’re incapable of pronouncing a three-syllable phonetic word correctly.”
ArchTeryx
@brendancalling: And the hilariously ironic thing is, they have a horse race now. Because the D side of the track isn’t hogtied by them any more.
What they wanted was Trump to romp to victory. Period. And now that they aren’t going to get that, their fascist-billionaire owners are having a sad, and so are the multimillionaire anchors and pundits. Let me get out my tiny violin.
HumboldtBlue
This joint needs more Maru.
Gretchen
@lamh47: Even when they called her out she kept doing it and complaining that she was the first woman at the Citadel and she faced discrimination too so she could just keep doing her thing and nobody should criticize her. I hate her.
Gretchen
@Chet Murthy: I think you’re correct to dismiss anyone who can’t be bothered to pronounce her name correctly as someone who is doing it deliberately to be disrespectful. And they won’t get my respect, ever.
Jackie
@lamh47: Speaking of reaching out:
TCFG will flip his ragtop!😂
TS
@danielx:
donald trump? I have never known another politician that insulted the military of their country – they insult all sorts – but not the military. trump won the award with this.
Jay
@Gretchen:
It’s not that hard to pronounce Madam Vice President Kamala Devi Harris properly.
wjca
It’s real simple to see the difference. In the 1950s, they let black men play major league baseball with white men. Never happen in the 1840s.
Jinchi
For anyone still with doubts, even the former guy thinks Kamala will win this:
Gretchen
@lamh47: why didn’t they pin her down? She kept mispronouncing Kamala, and when they called her on it, she changed the subject to her experiences at the Citadel. No, that’s not what we’re talking about! We’re talking about her name! Why won’t you say it correctly? And stay on it rather than letting her change the subject
Jay
@Gretchen:
because they are gutless,…………
HumboldtBlue
DougJ does it again…
A different kind of Trump goes on display
Chet Murthy
@Gretchen: My entire life, people have been unable to pronounce my name. They get it wrong, and even after being gently corrected, continue to get it wrong. So eventually I Anglicized it. Easier than having to put up with mispronunciation. The root? Racism. And why don’t people confront it? B/c there are (or were) more of them than us. It’s that simple.
But that’s changing now. And I think that VP Harris’ name is a harbinger of that change. Hopefully the day will come when it’s acceptable to mispronounce a person’s name a few times, but after being corrected 2-3 times, then continued mispronunciation will be viewed as the same as farting in an elevator, or at a meal: a sign of poor breeding, of impoliteness. Something not done in civilized company. At a minimum.
Jay
@Chet Murthy:
I am old.
When I started at Raider, the guy who fixed the camera snakes and press tools was an electrical engineer going for his masters, they called “Crab”.
I looked his first nym up in the employee directory, and it was Phrabinder.
I asked if it was okay to call him Phrab.
He said, yes, that’s what his family called him.
When I left, (quit) they were still calling him Crab.
JFCH on a Cracker. We have had South Asians here since the 1900’s, it’s not that hard to get their names right.
John Revolta
Guy looks like a whisk broom with a prick for a handle
scav
@HumboldtBlue: I am a bear of very little brain, When the media channel isn’t working as O! so self-promotingly advertised, I tend to want to kick it very hard in sensitive places with fearsome boots while also working around the rotted infrastructure as much as possible. I also write rude words outside the colored lines, or actually often rather very much inside the colored lines just to play with their ossified little minds.
K-Mo
Epic rant, Iohn!
Chief Oshkosh
@lamh47: That presser was absolutely bizarre. Truly weird. There’s clearly something wrong with Trump.
And the press continues to treat him like he’s normal.
BethanyAnne
@Old School: That’s great. Thanks for sharing it!
Gloria DryGarden
@Jay: I love this cartoon, it’s come up on my Facebook feed 3 or 4 times now.
Gloria DryGarden
John cole, thank you for this, it deeply nourishes me to read your list
Gloria DryGarden
Speaking of men hating women, which I seem to avoid knowing about unless it’s directed at me, here’s a thing I sometimes notice.
ive seen and heard guys, angry at each other, and calling each other “pussy”
i cant help but think, if this is your insult, which is insulting to women’s bodies, how do you ever expect to get any, later.
PS for any childless, post menopausal or otherwise valueless irrelevant cat women who aren’t busy with someone else’s grandchildren, we’re setting up an imaginary yurt/ garden /fire pit area, for story telling, drumming and dancing. All that weird insomnia, might as well do something fun with it. Come on down.
Jay
@Gloria DryGarden:
Don’t forget the cauldron and the eye of newt,…… : )
Baud
@Chet Murthy:
It’s hard to say Chad Murphy?
Gloria DryGarden
@Jay: I hear eye of newt is actually an herb. I don’t have a cauldron, but I’m fine w Dutch ovens and other cast iron cookware for the fire. We can probably have some honorary men-inclusive nights..
if you bring the cauldron we can cook up some nice mulled spiced apple cider, while we weave our herbal wreaths for protections against horible people such as some named in these threads.
or steep some Essiac tea for your partner, if she wants to include that in her pathway forward. I hear good things. I don’t have a good current file on alternatives, but I really should ask around…
Gloria DryGarden
Copied from google page.
not even sure the medicinal purposes of these
Bugboy
Please. Just fucking stop trying to makes sense of this “makin’ babies” horse shit. The minute anyone asks them about POC “makin’ babies” the entire edifice crumbles into a racist “replacement theory” rant. Just stop it.
brantl
You didn’t have to use that picture JC, you could have used any picture of JD Vance with his mouth open (which is any picture really, when does he have his mouth shut?), you know, he always has that stunned- cow expression on his face.
brantl
@KatKapCC:
Gave me a chuckle:
brantl
“… you had that inter-ethnic conflict, where you hadn’t had that before” ; good way to say that you haven’t read history, JV, without just saying “I haven’t read history, I’m a lazy drooling idiot!”.
Maybe that brainy wife of yours can teach you some.
Dave
@counterfactual: Ironically enough I’m sure JD would claim that is his point. That immigration always brings with it disruption!
Overlooking the fact that he is the sort of person that makes it true to the degree that it is true. Certainly there are challenges that come with a diverse multicultural society as well as advantages but those that love to harp on that ignore or try to hide two salient factors:
1) That 90% of those challenges come from assholes like our boy JD that make it a problem.
2) We currently have a diverse multicultural society and there is no method to change that which wouldn’t involve devastation and atrocities and that those wouldn’t only go one way. Even if we wanted to change it and I for one am not interested.
Which should lead to the conclusion that we should all work to embrace and maximize the advantages and minimize the challenges and should be grateful that minimizing the challenges mostly involves just not being assholes.
AM in NC
@Lily: Yep. The number of men who have gone full-on authoritarian/MAGOP, in business, the media, on social media, in government, etc. because of how they might need to be decent to women or face repercussions if Democrats/liberals prevail, has sure been eye-opening.
I just didn’t want to believe so. many. men want us to essentially be servants with benefits, or breeders for the cause. Just horrifying.
And even worse, how many “good men” who don’t prey on us themselves just can’t be bothered to do anything to stop the assholes. EVERY political meeting I go to is filled with women, and very few men.
The male Jackals here give me hope.
Paul in KY
@lamh47: Travel!!!
Paul in KY
@BR: Noem sorta shot herself (and a poor dog) in the foot with that book. Before it came out, I thought she was gonna be the one.
Paul in KY
@scav: Would be nice if the one he gave to Rush could be rescinded. Adelson too!
Chris T.
@SomeRandomGuy:
But then half the men will think you’re talking about a Swedish car.
(I suppose we could Saab about this.)