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Spilling the end game before they can coat it in frankl luntz-approved dogwhistles.

Republicans firmly believe having an abortion is a very personal, very private decision between a woman and J.D. Vance.

When the time comes to make an endorsement, the pain of NYT editors will be palpable as they reluctantly whisper “Biden.”

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

“The defense has a certain level of trust in defendant that the government does not.”

Washington Post’s Catch and Kill, not noticeably better than the Enquirer’s.

Shut up, hissy kitty!

Come on, media. you have one job. start doing it.

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

Come on, man.

Elections aren’t won by handwringing, cowering, and/or bashing your own candidates.

If you’re pissed about Biden’s speech, he was talking about you.

If you are still in the gop, you are either an extremist yourself, or in bed with those who are.

🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

if you can’t see it, then you are useless in the fight to stop it.

The gop couldn’t organize an orgy in a whorehouse with a fist full of 50s.

The frogs are rarely mistaken.

Never forget that he train is barreling down on Trump, even as he dances on the tracks.

Marge, god is saying you’re stupid.

Never give a known liar the benefit of the doubt.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

No Justins, No Peace

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

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From the Style section of the Washington Post, “He found a Project 2025 duffel bag. Then police showed up at his house”: [Gift link]

Author Malcolm Harris opened the door of his Capitol Hill home on Tuesday morning to find a D.C. police officer on his stoop.

The officer had come to find out what Harris knew about a missing “Project 2025” duffel bag from the conservative Heritage Foundation think tank — and the documents that had been inside. But Harris wasn’t interested in chatting.

“I don’t talk to the police, so we didn’t have a very long conversation,” Harris told The Washington Post.

For the Heritage Foundation, it’s hard to imagine a worse person to come across a bag full of their internal files than Harris. A Marxist journalist with a sense of humor and three books critiquing capitalism to his name, including the 2023 national bestseller “Palo Alto,” Harris has dedicated his life to the opposite of Heritage’s conservative politics…

In Harris’s telling, he came into possession of the duffel bag on the evening of Aug. 9, as he walked to pick up a cheesecake. At the corner of Sixth and E Streets NE, Harris passed a low-set ledge where he says people often leave free, unwanted items. (As Harris reenacted his discovery of the bag at the corner a week later, someone was giving away a succulent.)

“People in Capitol Hill just leave a bunch of really nice stuff out all the time,” said Harris, who once picked up a coffee machine on the same block. “This is, in fact, not the nicest duffel bag I have found outside for free on Capitol Hill.”…

Project 2025, a wide-ranging blueprint for a second Trump presidency created by many people with close ties to the ex-president, has become a weight around Republicans’ necks and a sort of byword for Democrats’ concerns about an extremist future in a second Trump administration. Amid a barrage of criticism of its goals — which include the elimination of the Department of Education, mass deportations and new restrictions on abortion — Trump distanced himself from the program in July. That same month, Project 2025’s leader left Heritage, and the group ceased new policy work…

The files and other items inside weren’t hugely revelatory. The bag and most of its contents appeared to be part of a Heritage internship program, including a document with pictures and lengthy biographies of its interns. Still, the fact that Harris discovered the documents on the streets of Washington could be a minor embarrassment for the think tank, at a time when both Heritage and Project 2025 are under intense scrutiny…

But Harris’s plans for the bag would soon run into D.C. police. After seeing Harris’s tweets, a woman who describes herself on LinkedIn as a Project 2025 staffer called the police and filed a complaint for theft, according to a police report obtained by The Post.

In the account she gave to police, the bag disappeared in the late afternoon of Friday, Aug. 9, when she and another Heritage staffer “left a bag in a parking space while getting into their car,” in a public area a block from Heritage’s headquarters on the 200 block of Massachusetts Avenue NE. When they returned to get it 30 minutes later, the bag was gone…

On Thursday morning, after learning more about the ongoing police investigation, Harris decided to end the dispute himself. With his wife and 7-month-old baby (who was dressed in a police-abolition onesie), Harris walked to Heritage’s office to return the bag.

At no point in the process, Harris said, had anyone from Heritage just emailed him to ask for the bag back, but he was eager to be rid of it…

Inside Heritage’s lobby, Harris and a man who identified himself as Heritage’s head of security sorted through the items in the bag, so the man could give Harris an itemized receipt that he hoped would put the police case to rest. The security chief said he didn’t need to verify the bag’s contents, given that the internship documents inside were not exactly “the keys to the kingdom.”

In a statement to The Post, a Heritage spokesperson said they were glad the bag had been turned over.

“We are pleased that our intern’s property was returned and hope that in the future our neighbors will exercise basic decency so that the police need not be involved,” the statement said…

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  2. 2.

    MagdaInBlack

    Pretty sure I’m nocturnal, because I prefer this time of night. Thanks for giving me stuff to read, AL. ❤️

  3. 3.

    The Dying Gaul

    Why does Donald not appear to be giving a fuck?

    Does he have something up his sleeve – like firing JD Vance and replacing him with the feisty, unprincipled, utterly amoral Nikki Haley?

    SOMETHING’s going on.

  4. 4.

    Betty Cracker

    The Daily Show clip is funny, and the speaker who starts off by self-identifying as a “normal American woman” demonstrates the trouble these weirdos encounter when they try to talk to people outside the bubble.

    One favored “gotcha” is to ask liberals, “What is a woman?” in hopes of mining latent prejudices against trans people. A Republican weirdo asked Ketanji Brown Jackson that question during her confirmation hearings.

    It’s ripe for mockery coming from those weirdos, IMO. If Trump or Vance pose that question to their opponent in a debate, I hope the response is, “People who instinctively put a hand over their drink when you walk into a bar” or something like that.

  5. 5.

    Phylllis

    So when she thinks of climate change she thinks of population control. But they’re also all worked up over the falling birthrate. Which the fuck is it?

  6. 6.

    John Revolta

    @MagdaInBlack: Daylight is an ugly time of day. So many people are awake, and if I go outside, I know what they’re all thinking. They are mainly doing bad things. White-collar criminals fucking up the world. Phooey on them.

    Nighttime is better. It’s not just that it’s quieter, but I can feel the absence of daytime bullshit. People have stopped scurrying.

    -The Real Frank Zappa Book

  8. 8.

    Ukai

    This is my shocked face that the assholes at Heritage would choose a heavy-handed approach to retrieving lost property.
    Also, it’s pretty rich for them to wish for basic decency when Project 2025 is pretty much the antithesis thereof for anyone who’s not a white straight dude.

  9. 9.

    Tony Jay

    “We are pleased that our intern’s property was returned and hope that in the future our neighbors will exercise basic decency so that the police need not be involved,” the statement said…

    Every day and in every way they expose themselves as terrible excuses for human beings.

    Because of course the P25 ferals just wanted their ‘stolen’ property back. Anyone suggesting that if they thought a Marxist writer had really stolen it they’d have gone hell for leather to have him arrested and charged – if only to drag him into a costly courtroom scenario – as a warning to everyone else that you don’t fuck with the Bluesuit Klan, is just a partisan lunatic. Honest.

    They lie like they breathe, fully autonomically.

  12. 12.

    Betty Cracker

    George Santos to cop a plea, according to TPM:

    Victims of former Rep. George Santos (R-NY) have been told that he is expected to plead guilty in federal court on Monday after being charged with multiple counts of fraud related to his campaign operation…

    “They told me that he is pleading guilty on Monday,” one of the [GOP] donors said, adding, “He should be held completely accountable and he is, as far as I can tell, guilty of quite a bit. I know for certain that he lied to my face.”

    Will he do some time?

  13. 13.

    BellyCat

    @Tony Jay: you don’t fuck with the Bluesuit Klan

    Perfect description of the Idiot Class and their fucked up attitudes about power, privilege, and conformity.

  14. 14.

    WereBear

    @Ukai: Slight correction:

    Project 2025 is pretty much the antithesis thereof for anyone who’s not a white straight dude who worships Christian Nationalism.

    It’s also a requirement, per Project 2025. It sounds good to MAGA because they can’t think very well, for whatever reason. But once we abolish the Department of Education there will many many more of them.

    Much like the South celebrated the white man, but most of their white men got hookworm, pellagra, and Civil War ruin out of the deal. And still do.

  15. 15.

    WereBear

    @Tony Jay: Delusions require ever more care and feeding, which uses up the brain power that is better diverted to other channels.

    They all became mini-Trumps because they were leaning hard that way in the first place. Rush Limbaugh helped prepare the ground.

  16. 16.

    TBone

    A study in contrasts, per Heather Cox Richardson:

    …on Wednesday, Republicans in Minnesota nominated Royce White as their candidate for the U.S. Senate. “We face an enemy that intends to bastardize our citizenship through an idea called globalism,” White has said. “We must begin to understand how the global affects the local and take a stand for God, Family, and Country.” White has also said that “women have become too mouthy,” and that “Donald Trump could get up on stage, pull his pants down, take a sh*t up at the podium, and I still would never vote for you f*cking Democrats again.”

    https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/august-16-2024

    Mouthy!

    They are terrified.

    Meme of the Day:

    Meme them until they cry, then make memes about them crying. – The Art of War

  18. 18.

    Jeffg166

    @The Dying Gaul:

    I think it is too late to fire Vance. The ballots have gone to the printer.

    Don Old expects the GQP to steal the election for him and the Supreme Court to approve the theft.

  23. 23.

    TBone

    Meme Runner Up:

    The first reporter to shout out “What the fuck are you talking about?!” wins the Pulitzer Prize.

  24. 24.

    lowtechcyclist

    @WereBear: ​
     

    Funny about ‘Christian’ nationalism. Jesus, quoting Isaiah, said “These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.” That was not praise, that was exposing the vacuousness of their faith. Yet the goal of ‘Christian nationalism’ is to create a nation of such people.

    Again, Jesus tells the Pharisees, “You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.” And again, ‘Christian nationalism’ has the goal of creating a nation of people who act Christian on the outside but are dead inside.

    Gotta wonder what these people have against Jesus that they want to turn our nation into something that he very specifically condemned.

  25. 25.

    hueyplong

    @TBone: Three reactions:

    1.You kind of feel like there is a limited period of time in American history when someone would feel comfortable being quoted like that, the quote would then appear in a format accessible for everyone, and it would then be met by a collective shrug of the shoulders.

    2.So “mouthy” was the word he chose when told that he really shouldn’t say “uppity?”

    3.His theory about his reaction to Trump shitting on a podium will soon be put to the test.  He will no doubt “pass” that test.

  29. 29.

    Tony Jay

    @prostratedragon:

    It’s taken him years of patient window-scratching, but Rick Scott’s legions of Undead are finally numerous enough for them to march openly in the moonlight. Unafraid and ready to suck America dry.

  30. 30.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @TBone:

    children women are to be seen and not heard.,,,

    Too mouthy!

    just wondering how women feel hearing this kind of stuff. And men who are allies and partners.  Because, sheesh.

    I need a thesaurus for synonyms for anger. But it’s not a good internal feeling to live with all the time; we just keep being pounded with these weird Harmful ideas.  Now I need to wring a towel hard, to get this tension out of my neck.

  31. 31.

    MagdaInBlack

    @raven: Arlington Heights.  ( Ottawa IL area originally, I’m a transplant)

    Eta: make that a fed up with the suburbs transplant.

  32. 32.

    lowtechcyclist

    @TBone:

    Let’s see: ‘globalists’ – isn’t that the current term replacing the more dated ‘rootless cosmopolitans,’ IOW Jews?  He’s off to a good start there.  And ‘God, family, and country’ – we live in a country where people are free to worship God or not, as they choose.  And have families or not, as they choose.

    And if women are too mouthy for him, maybe he’d better move to Hungary or somewhere like that. Because here, they can say whatever they damn well please.  He’s pretty mouthy himself, and it sounds like maybe by his own standards, he ought to have his mouth washed out with soap.  I bet we could find a few volunteers.

  33. 33.

    Gloria DryGarden

    I trùst mr Harris took photocopies of all that stuff in the duffel.

    The middle of the night is psychically quieter, for me.

  36. 36.

    JWR

    On last night’s PBS News Hour, David Brooks had a conniption fit over Harris’s economic plans, saying that high grocery prices is a problem that “does not exist”, because hey, look at current interest rates!

    Apparently, David Brooks doesn’t do the shopping, because yes, Davie boy, grocery prices are nearly as high as they were during the pandemic. But he goes on to talk about Communism and Price Controls and black markets and on and on, suggesting that everyone read the latest article from Catherine Rampell, which I’ve yet to do. Anyway, here’s the full Dumb and Dumber episode:

    Brooks and Capehart on Harris’ economic policy proposals

    And here’s Brooks having his fit. What say you, economists?

    I also caught a bit of tonight’s DW News, and they did a segment on Harris. They asked a few Indian American’s what they thought about the job she’d done so far, and after a few people spoke highly of her, one woman said, paraphrasing here, “she was given the job of fixing the border, and just look at it! It’s still broken!” No, Ms. dumbell, she was NOT given the task of “fixing” the damn border! Geez, this country is gonna die of ignorance.

  37. 37.

    Central Planning

    @TBone: I guess shitting on the podium is the new version of shooting someone on 5th Avenue.

    If I were a political cartoonist, I’d have a picture of that with him shitting on the Constitution with MAGA/GOP characters saying “I’d vote for him” and “Better than a Dem”

    Sadly, my artistic skills don’t even include drawing a straight line.

  39. 39.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @MagdaInBlack: I’m from Arlington heights. I went to south jr high, . Then we bussed over to rolling meadows hs, where there was an excellent marching band. It was such a cool excellent  school district.  If we hadn’t moved away, I would have gone out for orchesis. But you came there as an adult, you might not know what it is. I still remember some of the major cross streets we lived by, and I wasn’t driving yet when we left there. I used to ride my bike over to the forest preserves. We don’t have those in Colorado.

    Arlington heights was a good place, when I was a kid.

    raven, we heard about barrington..

  40. 40.

    Tony Jay

    @BellyCat:

    With the added twist of relocating their fellow supremacists’ red armband to around the neck where it can double as a symbol of how the Cultural Marxist Deep State wants to lynch them for their freedoms!

    Hugo Boss is spinning in his grave.

  41. 41.

    TBone

    @Central Planning: 👍

    Donold using our Constitution as toilet paper is a meme/cartoon I think I have, but I am too lazy to look through my oversized collection because it’s a lovely, rainy, cool morning and coffee tastes real good.

  43. 43.

    MagdaInBlack

    @Gloria DryGarden: I grew up on a farm outside an itty farming town, Sheridan, Il, and went to Serena HS, student pop 430-ish. I moved up here in “97 when my husband passed, because this is where the jobs are. I am kinda tired of it tho. Retirement is a year or so away, thank all the small and large gods 🌻🌻

    Eta: Arlington Heights is still a good place, but omg aint no biking to the forest preserves, the traffic is horrendous. Also too I live near Hersey HS.

  44. 44.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @TBone:

    they constantly use the language of oppression, and thereby quickly identify themselves as our enemies.

    well said. And so calm. I need to get there.

  49. 49.

    TS

    I was brought up in the days of yore, when we talked about “ladies and gentlemen”.  Then I look at the people attending a trump rally – and I just can’t any more.

    Tim Walz is restoring my faith in country folks – I can’t believe the trump supporters are the country folk I grew up with – I can believe Gov Walz was one of them.

  50. 50.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @MagdaInBlack: im thinking by now, Arlington heights is a pretty big city. I used to ride the northwestern into the city for museums, the shedd  aquarium. I think I begged my parents every weekend for years to take us back to the science and industry museum, which I thought was fabulous..how could two scientists fail to take this one extra step toward a future in stem for their smart kid? Too late to ask them why, now, but I always wondered.

    incidentally my hs in golden was a class if around 400, oh, right, so I guess the whole school had 1200 students.

    I bet you can find raspberries and blackberries ripening as you walk around in some neighborhoods or a community garden. We lived across from an undeveloped few blocks, and it was full of milkweeds, and berries, and other interesting stuff. Oh the lush memories of a place w rain and excessive humidity.

    im happy your large and small gods will grant you retirement soon.

  51. 51.

    MagdaInBlack

    @raven: Oswego was where everyone ( but me ) went for prom dresses. I have no memory of the drag strip, tho I think we have talked of it before. We gravitated towards Ottawa, which was a big town to us farm kids.😉

  54. 54.

    MagdaInBlack

    @Gloria DryGarden: Prom = Ick, nope. Just not my thing,  so I didn’t go. I was dating my future husband at the time and he was damned relieved. We did, of course, make all the after-parties 🤗

  55. 55.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @MagdaInBlack: no jets from O’Hare?

    once when a friend from rolling meadows   came out west to visit, we asked how we

     

    could make her more comfortable, and she asked if we could

    fly some jets over, at intervals, so we could

     

    keep having to pause our sentences, and wait.

    happy you got to all the prom after parties…

  56. 56.

    MagdaInBlack

    @Gloria DryGarden: In the wee small hours, for a brief hour or 2 maybe, there are so few its pretty quiet.

    And LOL @ your friend. They’re usually not so loud here as to stop conversation. Now and then tho I wonder if I should duck.

  57. 57.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @raven: I don’t know the cellar. I was in 9th grade when we left. I knew the magic pan, downtown, and I knew woodfield mall.

  58. 58.

    topclimber

    My malignant Congresswoman, Elise Stefanik, is sending out $4 million from her personal stash to help GOP colleagues who suddenly face funded Dem opponents. Moses has urged all the brethren of the House to do likewise.

  59. 59.

    TBone

    @prostratedragon:

    Bryn Mawr Trust ???  Holy shit, my old alma mater neighborhood bank seemed smarter than that!  Stodgy and old fashioned, formerly highly respected bank is now tits up in this mess!

    It’s heartwarming to see E. Jean Carroll and Letitia James there on that list 🤣

  62. 62.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @MagdaInBlack: we were at Arlington heights road and central, near Kirchhoff. We def had to pause.. maybe you’re at a different spot in town, the planes are higher up, perhaps?

    Made me laugh, about ducking.

  63. 63.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @TS: it didn’t happen overnight. It took a solid 25 years of Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, AEI, AFP etc.  My niece was in a good public  HS five years ago and did a project in her senior year US history where she was told that National Review was a legit news source but nothi equivalent from the left. They also had other standard sources such as.the NYT, CNN, WSJ etc. but National Review really stood out.

  65. 65.

    sab

    We are finally fully moved to our new house on the railroad tracks. A friend who has lived on the same tracks for 25 years says you can judge the state of the economy by the number of trains.

    Three trains per day means sluggish economy. Six or more trains means economy is good. So I say the economy is booming, judging by train traffic.

  67. 67.

    Betty Cracker

    According to the excellent Merlin birdsong ID app, there’s a Prothonotary Warbler singing nearby. I’ve never seen one but would love to spot it. Currently searching for a flash of brilliant yellow in nearby trees…

  68. 68.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @TBone: reading this Jill stein announcement, suddenly I’m thinking why doesn’t president Harris give dr stein an agency to run or some bigger seat at the table, even cabinet position. Isn’t she Green Party? Give her a bigger voice.

  71. 71.

    TBone

    @Gloria DryGarden: she is a useful idiot for Putin and Russia.  She should not be anywhere near power in the USA.

    That is why the meme shows Kamala on a throne surrounded by skulls.

  73. 73.

    Percysowner

    @JWR: ​
     I’m not an economist and i refuse to listen to Brooks, so with that in mind, I have been around long enough to remember when Nixon imposed price controls on, well just about everything. It didn’t work all that well. I worked in a law library and one of the resources was on Federal Controls. It was a loose-leaf publication where you took out the old pages and put in the new ones to reflect the current law. During the price control era that publication had hundreds of pages of updates once or twice a week. I’m not sure price controls are actually effective.

    I’m guessing that Harris is pretty sure the Supreme Court is just about to gut Antitrust law, because breaking up the monopolies in the food chain would certainly help, so this may be what she sees as her only option. Plus it’s a nice promise that probably won’t actually get enacted. It sounds good, but I don’t think it will come about.

  74. 74.

    Ken

    So Project 2025 isn’t just taking notes on a criminal conspiracy, they’re having dufflebags printed with its logo.

  75. 75.

    WereBear

    @lowtechcyclist: Fundie Christianity, of all kinds, have banded together to worship Trump, instead.

    Honest. That’s many professional assessments. But it was bound to happen, what with all the Rapture preaching. Search engine images with “rapture diagrams.”

    It’s not in the Bible. But it’s Millerism, which will not die.

  80. 80.

    hueyplong

    @Percysowner: I thought the main thrust of the price gouging thing was to outlaw the new technological practice of constant price changing during the course of the day. I saw an ad (probably during the Olympics) comically depicting grocery store employees leaping over shelves to slap higher pricing tags on items as customers were reaching for them.

  83. 83.

    TBone

    @WereBear: yesterday on TCM they ran a short production about court and legal stuff in the movies, which featured as one of the speakers a young Alan Dershowitz.  I couldn’t stop laughing, everything he said about the subject was wrong 😆

  84. 84.

    hueyplong

    @Baud: The only such version is panic-stricken, pissy Brooks, and it has not been spotted in the wild unless the segment being discussed is viewed that way.

  85. 85.

    Chris Johnson

    @The Dying Gaul: There’s a reason Donald Trump doesn’t appear to be giving a fuck.

    The trick with being the putative head of a giant movement of evil traitors running on conspiracy theories and foreign influence blackmailing people so you can get into power and further more conspiracy theories whilst selling everything out to Putin is, that was never a coherent plan, or a management strategy.

    It’s the same shit it’s always been: double down, threaten, try to run a coup. The guy was never supposed to win the first time! Having won, he wasn’t even organized enough to take over the country, and lost, and then he was fucked. Still is.

    The only tools Trump HAS are treason, Russia, and conspiracy theories. At this point even insisting the economy is doomed is a conspiracy theory people must be made to believe, because typically Dems get in and patch the economy up in time for Republicans to get in and redirect all the money to the wealthy again. That’s happening now but Trump must make people believe everything is shit, which is now a conspiracy theory (outside the known failings of capitalism, such as trying to make healthcare run on it)

    The thing is that shit’s failing but it’s the same thing he’s always had, and that’s why he doesn’t act different. He’s deeply lazy and stupid and depends on his patron to get him the win or at least fake one, and he’s too old and sick to try and help much, so you’re seeing a lot of reality poke through this time.

    When he ‘won’ it was really no different: it’s like his properties, rotting under the gilt and filthy. The only difference is by now we know where to look. But he’s not different and the underlying situation is not different and that’s why Donald doesn’t give a fuck. He never did in the first place and he’s not capable of changing. He depends entirely on other evildoers being able to run a dictatorship FOR him, and to give him it, or at least to pretend they’re giving him that.

    When it fails, he sulks and blames.

  87. 87.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @The Dying Gaul: HCR took a semi-deep dive into this and found that when Trump replaced the head of the RNC with his two additionally-sycophantic shits, they pulled all of the funding from the ground game and used it instead to hire a bunch of lawyers to figure out how to fuck with the vote (legally, of course!) in all of the swing states.

  88. 88.

    p.a.

    Multi-millionaire FTFNYT columnist (and others) don’t know the diff between price controls and investigating price gouging?  Puh-leeze.  When don’t these people expose themselves for the frauds they are?  At least the Fox bullshitters are open about what they are about.

     

    Also too, just the threat of investigating gouging may be enough to tamp down price gouging.

  90. 90.

    TBone

    @p.a.: they out themselves constantly, using the language of oppression.  Words have meaning, and they’ll try to defeat progress by using scare words every time.  All they have is fear and hate.

  93. 93.

    hueyplong

    @Baud: Definitely secure, definitely not panicking for himself personally.

    But maybe a little on-air show of fan support for his team is what secures his sinecure. I haven’t actually interacted with any of those people so I’m limited to the multitask of imagining what it’s like to be in their position while holding down breakfast.

  94. 94.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Percysowner:

    I have been around long enough to remember when Nixon imposed price controls on, well just about everything. It didn’t work all that well.

    They worked great for him! They controlled prices long enough for him to win a landslide victory in 1972.

    Oh you mean from an economist’s POV. Yeah, by early 1973, we were having shortages of all sorts of goods, just like one would expect. Basic Econ 101 stuff, as I recall.

  95. 95.

    TS

    @JWR:

    suggesting that everyone read the latest article from Catherine Rampell, which I’ve yet to do.

    I have read it so you do not have to. I commented that she should hang her head in shame, as did most others commenting about it.

  98. 98.

    p.a.

    @Rusty: The social media power of this top 10,000 blog!!

     

     

    Surely with all the good people here have done supporting liberal causes & pols the blog should be top 9,000 by now?!  It’s a conspiracy!

  99. 99.

    Betty Cracker

    It’s an inept photo, but here’s that Reddish Egret I’ve been telling y’all about…

    Late Night Open Thread: Spoilers

  101. 101.

    K-Mo

    This story low-key captures the dynamic of the Heritage intern.  Sorority girl with a bunch of nice business outfits shows up for the summer and is very go-team for conservatives.  Completely oblivious to the fact that she’s working for an organization that is plotting to run the lives of millions of people, or that anyone might be concerned about that fact.  Let me just leave my duffel bag in a public area while I track down my car for a half hour.  I hope my neighbors are decent to me.

  103. 103.

    Steve LaBonne

    @JWR: Didn’t anyone ask Brooks how he feels about the current price of a burger and three double Scotches at Newark Airport?

  105. 105.

    Betty

    @TS: She has since recanted because she actually read the proposal instead of offering a knee-jerk reaction. Wonder if Brooksie knows that.

  111. 111.

    Another Scott

    @Percysowner: I was a kid making plastic model cars back in those days.  And I noticed that Testors paint (in the little tiny jars) kept going up in price and wondered why that was happening when there were supposed to be price controls…

    A few weeks later, I saw on the evening news that the federal government was taking them to court… (paywall).

    Yeah, I don’t think we’ll be returning to those days.  But Kamala’s shot across the bow, and increased scrutiny of anti-competitive behavior, etc., is a very good thing.  There’s a lot the feds can do to let companies know that things have changed and old practices by rentiers will no longer be tolerated.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  115. 115.

    TBone

    @Baud: posted here yesterday by someone, can’t remember nym. I hope to see MSM follow up but won’t hold my breath.

    I remember the estate they raided is named Patria.

    Raid the Patria-rchy!

  116. 116.

    Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg

    @Baud: It’ll undoubtedly be enjoined nationwide by some Textard Federal judge, and any stay denied by the Fifth Circuit, and that appeal will simply be allowed to languish on the SCOTUS shadow docket.

    Expand SCOTUS to 25 to destroy its outsized importance, double the appellate judges, and rotate the district judges to districts in other circuits every 3-4 years. Wanna be a district court judge at 40? Enjoy telling your partner that you’re gonna be relocating constantly. Wanna keep on doing it when you’re 70? Enjoy the constant moves.

  117. 117.

    TBone

    @Baud: where?  I haven’t seen anything but cheap gold sneakers, knock off bibles, improbable NFTs, and stankass perfume.

    ETA I almost forgot:  adult diapers that go on over your clothes.

    Are you referring to the P2025 duffel bag? 😆

  120. 120.

    Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg

    @TBone:

    “Trump Cologne – for when you want to smell like the throat cheese under Trump’s fat wattle.”

  121. 121.

    pinacacci

    @Betty Cracker: I love Merlin!  Apparently there is a red-eyed vireo around here. Also a chuck-will’s-widow.  And so many more.  All I ever see is the cardinals and wrens.

  123. 123.

    Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg

    @Baud:

    Originalism, baby!

    When Alito complains that his ass is sore from the ride, throw him some 17th century medical treatise.

  124. 124.

    Another Scott

    @Betty Cracker: Google Image Search pointed me here – indicating it seems to think it’s a “little blue heron”.

    Neato.

    An excellent puzzle on a Saturday morning!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  128. 128.

    Eolirin

    It’s troubling to me that Harris’s anti-price gouging push is already being morphed into price controls successfully enough that people here are messing it up.

    Shades of Al Gore invented the internet, but even more deceptive on the part of the media. This is how we start to lose. I hope things move on quickly and that the Harris campaign learns from this and stops offering concrete policy positions on anything. It’s only downside to talk about policy instead of values in this country.

  129. 129.

    Scout211

    @Betty:She has since recanted because she actually read the proposal instead of offering a knee-jerk reaction. Wonder if Brooksie knows that.

    This?

    in response this criticism from Matt Yglesias on X:

    After all the tweets, I’m pretty sure Harris did not in fact propose price controls on groceries — just kind of vaguely said that antitrust enforcement is good (it is good).

    Rampell posted this:

    Yes there was still some silliness in her speech, but her comments on prices were more toned down than campaign factsheet sent to reporters (punishing companies that raise prices above their costs etc). A generic call to increase antitrust enforcement is fine and I support it

    I’m not sure that is recanting, but after a full day of TV appearances and the awful “straw man” opinion piece, she is definitely softening her criticism.  She read the campaign material and went off on that but after a day of being criticized, she realized that Kamala Harris didn’t actually say what she claimed she said.  Will there be a correction in her print column?

  130. 130.

    mrmoshpotato

    These leaked Project 2025 training videos aren’t helping conservatives beat the “weird” allegations

    What about helping beat the “fascist shitstains” allegations.

  131. 131.

    Betty Cracker

    @Another Scott: I’m fairly confident (and unsurprised) that Google Image Search is wrong. Easy mistake to make since Little Blue Herons and Reddish Egrets look a lot alike. But I’ll await a final ruling from Albatrossity, who is far more trustworthy than Google! ‘-)

  132. 132.

    Baud

    @Eolirin:

    The media will misrepresent her position in order to encourage her to set the record straight by sitting down for interviews.

    And the reason the media is considered liberal is that they own half of the liberals.

  133. 133.

    Kay

    @Betty Cracker:

    You probably know this but a Merlin is a small falcon. We were sitting in the backyard in Michigan with our middle grandaughter (3 years old) and we heard what sounded like a higher-pitched hawk. She heard it too and asked my husband what it was – he used Merlin app to identify it as…a Merlin. It had touched down in a spruce right above our heads so he used the Merlin app to sound the call – the bird called back. This went on for three minutes or so then another one appeared. Just the wildest thing.

    I worried about it a little though. People send in the calls to Cornell. I wonder what we were saying to him.

  134. 134.

    Ken

    @Betty Cracker: I’m fairly confident (and unsurprised) that Google Image Search is wrong.

    But it’s AI-enabled now!

    Seriously, from what I’ve read, the problem isn’t so much the AI in the search algorithm, as the flood of AI-generated images that are being examined by the algorithm — a form of model collapse, or “Habsburg AI” as it’s sometimes called. The algorithms no longer have a firm model of what a “reddish egret” or “blue heron” looks like, so they confuse them.

  135. 135.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @lowtechcyclist: Let’s see: ‘globalists’ – isn’t that the current term replacing the more dated ‘rootless cosmopolitans,’ IOW Jews?

    Come on now, it’s 2024.  The Anti-Semitic dog-whistle most currently in fashion is “Zionists.”

  138. 138.

    TS

    @Betty:

    I haven’t seen that – she still has her drivel up at WaPo, although I notice there is an update asking about price control.

  141. 141.

    Betty Cracker

    @Ken: “Hapsburg AI,” lol — that’s perfect!

    @Kay: I’ve never seen a Merlin falcon — that’s so cool that y’all got to experience that together!

    We’ve played Merlin app recordings to flush out nearby birds a time or two ourselves. Usually it’ll say where the call was recorded, and I often wonder if the local birds hear an accent if it’s out of state…

  142. 142.

    Steve LaBonne

    I think if Harris actually did call for price controls on groceries that would be pretty popular (“food costs to much and the government should do something about it!”). Nixon’s were until the ill effects became apparent under Ford. So from a political standpoint I’m not particularly worried about Rampell et al.

  144. 144.

    yellowdog

    @Jeffg166: That’s the plan. I don’t see a way to stop them. All they have to do is delay certification in one state so it goes to the House or SCOTUS depending on how they play it.

  145. 145.

    Eolirin

    @Baud: She shouldn’t have been that specific in the first place is the thing.

    My administration will fight corrupt corporate practices that put profits above consumer needs like those that are driving up food and drug prices to enrich wealthy shareholders and CEOs at the cost of every day Americans would have given them much less to work with since no one actually cares about policy details and soaking the rich is very popular.

    Making statements that can be easily shifted to a specific policy proposal, like price controls, even if that’s not what you’re proposing, was an own goal.

    It should be clear by now that this is a vibe election. We should only ever be talking about values and never getting bogged down into details that are more easily distorted and can be used to create associations that cut against the on-brand vibes we’re trying to generate

    Like: Harris wants people to be able to afford to eat. She cares about people. She doesn’t want rich people to steal all the money from everyone else. She’ll fight them for you, normal person on the street. Policy proposals get us into debates about what actually works, what the consequences of things are, and away from the feels of this person has my back. We do not want those things to be what’s being talked about. The way they get discussed by the media is designed to lead people into a sense of despair about nothing actually working.

  146. 146.

    UncleEbeneezer

    Damn, Cornell West’s campaign is a full-on, Republican rat-fucking OP.
    Her name was on a filing agreeing to be a Cornel West elector. Her question: What’s an elector?

    Jacoby’s firm, Let the Voters Decide, was investigated for using questionable signature gathering tactics during a 2020 petition drive in Michigan that sought to roll back some of Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s emergency powers during the coronavirus pandemic. No charges came of the investigation.

    He was accused in 2008 of tricking voters into registering with the California Republican Party by telling them they were signing an initiative to strengthen penalties for child molesters, the Los Angeles Times reported.

    Jacoby did not answer a call at a number listed to him and his voicemail inbox was full.

    Similarly unusual efforts have unfolded in other states, as well.

    In April, The Washington Post reported pro-Trump activist Scott Presler was gathering signatures for West outside a Trump rally in North Carolina. In a video posted online, Presler described West, an academic, as a “far-left Marxist” who “if we get him on the ballot he could take a percentage point away” from Biden.

    But Republican involvement in getting West and his Justice For All party on the ballot in North Carolina ran far deeper.

    At the beginning of June, disclosures show, West had spent just $2,400 this year to gather the signatures needed to qualify for the ballot in states across the U.S.

    But then Justice For All submitted well over the roughly 13,800 signatures needed. State government emails obtained by The Associated Press show current and former employees of Blitz Canvassing, a Republican firm that earned millions of dollars doing work for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, helped West pull off the feat. The emails, previously reported by NBC News, show the employees affiliated with Blitz Canvassing were the designated representatives to pick up and drop off petitions for West’s campaign.

  147. 147.

    Kay

    @Betty Cracker:

    He’s been doing it for a while – I didn’t know. He says he’s called cardinals and bluejays too. We were able to show her a cardinal too – they don’t have them in Denmark.

  148. 148.

    TBone

    @Eolirin: I have been wanting to say that!  Thank you. “Price controls” is language of oppression.

    It’s troubling to me that Harris’s anti-price gouging push is already being morphed into price controls successfully enough that people here are messing it up.

  150. 150.

    Geminid

    @Baud: From the video it looks like it was mostly just two Assembly members fighting with others mobbing them to pull them apart. At least, only the two were disciplined, an AK Party member and an opposition politician.

    The argument began during debate over the status of a member whose parliamentary immunity has been revoked and is now in prison because of his participation in anti-government protests back in 2013. There is now a dispute between two higher Turkish courts over his case.

  151. 151.

    Eolirin

    @Baud: Also, the damage will be already done by the time any interviews or clarifications happen. We’ll have had a bunch of time with price controls!!!!! headlines, and then the interviews with the clarifications will reach a tiny fraction of the people who saw them.

  153. 153.

    BellyCat

    Elizabeth Warren was really great about spelling out details of her presidency if elected in clear, simple terms. Lesson (hopefully) learned by Kamala.

  156. 156.

    UncleEbeneezer

    You can see the feeding frenzy of knives out for Kamala from the press as soon as she announced policy. They literally didn’t wait a second, they just pounced. No thinking was involved. This is why people are disgusted with them, it’s just such transparent bad faith

  158. 158.

    Geminid

    @Geminid: Those Turkish legislators are lucky their fight wasn’t at a football game. Last December a team owner punched a referee after a game and he couldn’t get a bail hearing for 11 days. Turkiye strictly enforces laws regarding violence at sports events.

  160. 160.

    UncleEbeneezer

    I know, I know…polls…but still…

    In AZ, relative to NYT/Siena’s previous poll (Biden vs Trump) Harris made double-digit gains among:

    • Rural (+20)
    • College+ (+19)
    • Women (+18)
    • Age 30-44 (+17)
    • Age 45-64 (+15)
    • White (+14)
    • Indies (+13)
    • Suburban (+12)

  161. 161.

    Eolirin

    @UncleEbeneezer: The communist label is what they’re gonna go with. It’s what’s gonna get any traction. And almost entirely because of the price gouging ban proposal being made, and the ease with which it was able to be converted into the spectre of failed Nixon era price controls.

    I think it’s weak sauce, especially in the Midwest, and extra especially with young people, but in a wave election it may provide the margin in Florida.

  162. 162.

    Ken

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Congress also passed some laws to formalize how the electoral votes are counted by the House. They had been running on “the words of the Constitution are clear”, but, well, you know….

    IIUC, one of the “clarifications” is that the President is the one who gets a majority of the counted votes. So if (say) Georgia hasn’t been able to certify due to ratfucking, their 16 votes aren’t counted, but now there are only (535-16) votes total so it becomes 260 to win.

    Personally I would have liked a provision saying “Since your election officials can’t come up with a result, your House Representatives and Senators won’t be seated until you straighten that out,” but that’s probably too much to ask. (And also probably susceptible to ratfucking.)

  163. 163.

    prostratedragon

    (Don’t want to post this on the accomplishments thread below)
    One of this week’s many right wing normalization pdojects is the trashing of hundreds of books by the New College libraries, including many of the Gender and Diversity Center holdings. They have done this before students arrive for the new term, so there was no chance for them to come by and make selections for themselves. The comments in the new dismissive style are quite something. The original Herald Tribune article and an article on the social media reaction.

  164. 164.

    Betty Cracker

    @Kay: She must have been thrilled with the cardinal! They’re such stunning birds but so commonplace in the U.S. that we sometimes forget how impressive they are.

  165. 165.

    Betty Cracker

    @prostratedragon: The big local dailies are running with the NCF book-trashing story, and also with the shenanigans Ben Sasse pulled off at UF. Proof of egregious GOP corruption and grotesque authoritarian maneuvers never seem to move the needle, but I keep hoping!

  166. 166.

    Geminid

    @Eolirin: I read that Republicans stopped  calling Democrats “Socialists” when focus groups indicated that socialism was no longer considered  such a bad thing, especially by younger voters. So Republicans started using “Communist” instead.

  167. 167.

    Starfish

    The details make the story.

    With his wife and 7-month-old baby (who was dressed in a police-abolition onesie), Harris walked to Heritage’s office to return the bag.

  170. 170.

    RevRick

    @JWR: I agree with Brooks that the inflation for grocery store prices has eased to the point of irrelevance, but that doesn’t mean there hasn’t been some price gouging by major food manufacturers. And that is not the same as price controls, which, by the way, we had during WW II. I also disagree with Brooks comments about the source of the inflation outbreak blaming spending by the Biden administration.

    Historically, we’ve had nasty bouts of inflation after events that throw the economy out of whack. The oil shocks of 1973 and 1979. The ends of WW I and II. The Civil War and Revolutionary War.
    What the Biden administration did was choosing to bring the economy back to full employment, having learned the consequences of an inadequate stimulus to deal with the Great Recession during the Obama era. And I believe that was absolutely the right decision. They chose a robust economy over low inflation.

  171. 171.

    raven

    @Gloria DryGarden:

    The Cellar became a popular venue, providing teenagers from the region with a place to congregate, listen to British-tinged Chicago blues rock, and to dance.[3] It also hosted talented psychedelic rock regional house bands, such as the Shadows of Knight (who recorded their Raw ‘n’ Alive at the Cellar, Chicago 1966! album there),[4] The Ides of March, The Buckinghams, The Mauds, H.P. Lovecraft,[5] Saturday’s Children, The Huns, The Flock, The Raevns, The Other Half,[7] and The Little Boy Blues.

    Despite the fact that it was a modest warehouse in a northwestern suburb of Chicago, The Cellar attracted national and international rock bands, such as The Who,[8][9] The Cream,[10] The Byrds,[11] Buffalo Springfield,[12] The Spencer Davis Group,[13] Three Dog Night, The Steve Miller Band,[3] and the MC5.[14]

  172. 172.

    K-Mo

    @Eolirin: She needs to be very careful about how she frames this.   Making sure everyone plays by the rules and emphasizing fairness is a winner.  Cutting prices directly is a minefield.

    AND she needs to keep her vibes as someone who does the former, not the latter.  Gore’s vibes were totally consistent with the internet thing, just as Vance’s vibes are consistent with the couch thing.

  173. 173.

    raven

    @Gloria DryGarden:

    The Cellar became a popular venue, providing teenagers from the region with a place to congregate, listen to British-tinged Chicago blues rock, and to dance.[3] It also hosted talented psychedelic rock regional house bands, such as the Shadows of Knight (who recorded their Raw ‘n’ Alive at the Cellar, Chicago 1966! album there),[4] The Ides of March, The Buckinghams, The Mauds, H.P. Lovecraft,[5] Saturday’s Children, The Huns, The Flock, The Raevns, The Other Half,[7] and The Little Boy Blues.

    Despite the fact that it was a modest warehouse in a northwestern suburb of Chicago, The Cellar attracted national and international rock bands, such as The Who,[8][9] The Cream,[10] The Byrds,[11] Buffalo Springfield,[12] The Spencer Davis Group,[13] Three Dog Night, The Steve Miller Band,[3] and the MC5.[14]

  175. 175.

    jackmac

    @raven: Very late to this thread, but I live in Oswego (we bought a house here 35 years ago and raised a family).  The place where prom dresses were sold was probably The Jacqueline Shop (still in downtown Oswego and operating as The Prom Shop).  The Drag Raceway is long gone, but one day a few years ago I went exploring and found decaying asphalt strips hidden behind trees  a bit north of Route 34. While much of the land in and around Oswego has been developed for housing and retail space, the dragway site remained untouched.

  176. 176.

    RaflW

    @TBone: What is clear is that no rational Republican wants to take a beat-down from Amy Klobuchar.

    I am not a huge fan of her. I think my friends characterization of AmyK from years ago (a la Elton John) “she lives he life, like a finger in the wind”, isn’t far off — though TBF as general Dem politics has moved a bit away from defensive crouch, AK has moved with that.

    Anyway, her brand of moderate Minnesotan sells really well. Like noticeable crossover voting well. So the MN GOP has had to find willing sacrifices. Not fun, but that was the gig.

    Well, the MN GOP has gone more and more to the looney side of things in the past 5 – 10 years, and Royce is the predictable result. So sad, too bad.

  177. 177.

    artem1s

    So when she thinks of climate change she thinks of population control. But they’re also all worked up over the falling birthrate. Which the fuck is it?

    Gonna go out on a limb here because we’re gonna hear more about this. the reality is as we’ve reached a tipping point in carbon levels, the usual solutions to combating climate change aren’t going to be enough to reverse the changes back to what we’d like to consider ‘normal’. Taking your recyclables out to the curb just ain’t gonna cut it.
    More extreme measures will be necessary and many researchers who ID’d humans as a major cause have been promoting the idea of reducing the population. This isn’t really new. Having 3-4 more billion people on the planet than there was a few decades ago has always been a major concern for a lot of researchers who deal with resource management (agriculture, energy, supply chains). And the population is still growing.
    White Christian Nationalist have been picking up on this in predictably weird ways. For these weirdos the question isn’t how can we help solve the problem, it’s how do we ensure that we are the largest demographic when the climate apocalypse happens.
    For them, having their kids support efforts to quell climate change is the worst thing imaginable. Their kids and neighbors are telling them stuff like this… “hey, I don’t need to live my life vicariously thru my offspring or have to prove my manhood by sowing my seed around to a dozen or more babymommas. I’m gonna adopt or maybe take care of my spouses kid from a previous relationship. It’s important to me that everyone’s kids get to share resources and won’t have to live in a world without clean water or air” They hear stuff like this and they freak out. They hear One Child Policy, not let’s take care of the planet and not be so wasteful.
    This is why VJ thinks it’s OK to call women who don’t have children not-human. This particular brand of weird is probably not going away anytime soon.

  178. 178.

    K-Mo

    @artem1s: My read out was, she doesn’t believe in climate change and she thinks abortion rights are a green conspiracy.  But I didn’t think real hard about it.

  179. 179.

    S Cerevisiae

    @Betty Cracker: you are correct about the reddish egret. I do a lot of birding and know both these and the LBH.

    Merlins are feisty little falcons that can fly like fighter planes through the forest, catching small birds on the wing. I have seen them chase off Eagles and Great Blue Herons that got too close to the nest, they have no fear.

  180. 180.

    frosty

    @Betty Cracker: Nice! Hope you saw the Prothonotary Warbler. Last February in Florida I picked up 15 lifers. Harns Marsh was where I saw my first Reddish Egret. That place and Fort DeSoto Park were great!

  181. 181.

    Ruckus

    @Ukai:

    I’m an old, white, straight dude and it’s the antithesis of decency to me as well.

    They are pompous, arrogant, assholes, who think the world revolves around the street lamp post they have stuck up their butts.

  182. 182.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Baud: An anecdote from my 1996 vacation in Türkiye:

    On a bus from (IIRC) Bergama to Izmir, in a traffic jam (not all that uncommon). Middle-aged bus driver threw an empty soda can out his side window at a black BMW trying to nose in front of us. Three large guys piled out of the car with what looked like billyclubs, and our driver stopped the bus and was about to charge out the door to take them on –

    Allah be praised for the attendant (whose official duty was to pass us snacks and water bottles). The young man jumped into the exitway and blocked it while he persuaded the driver to calm down….and we made it to our destination after all.

    I loved most of the Turks I met – unfailingly courteous and curious about a Yank traveling alone – but man, they can go from zero to knockdowndragout brawl in a few seconds…

  185. 185.

    Geminid

    @Uncle Cosmo: That is why Turkiye enforces its laws against violence at football games so strictly. They nip brawling in the bud because they know how bad it could be if they let it get out of hand.

    After Iran’s missile and drone attack on Israel in May, Turks had a fun time dunking on Iran for their attack’s lack of effect.* One wag jibed, “More men are injured at a Turkish wedding!”

    * There was a one serious casualty though: a 7 year year old Bedouin girl hit when a missile fragment crashed through her family’s roof. She spent 2 weeks in a coma. A few weeks and 4 surgeries later she was able to speak again but she is still hospitalized.

  186. 186.

    Geminid

    @Uncle Cosmo: I saw a funny video on Turkish Twitter last Fall. A well dressed man had left his upscale sedan and was walking back to cuss out the truck driver he had blocked. When he got to the truck the woman truckdriver started shouting back and shaking her fist at him. They jawed for a minute and then he threw a hand up in disgust and walked back to his car.

    This was one time I wished I could understand Turkish. There is a saying that “Arabic is made for prose, Persian is made for poetry, and Turkish is made for cursing.”

  187. 187.

    Another Scott

    @Betty Cracker: @S Cerevisiae:

    Though I’m not a birder, you folks made me look some more…

    Gustaviatex.com:

    June 30, 2017 ~ Last week I showed you the Purple Gallinules at Cullinan Park but we have also seen a Little Blue Heron hunting in the Water Lettuce. There is at least one adult and also a second-year guy hanging around the same area as the Purple Gallinules. I posted some of the Little Blue Heron images on Facebook and several times people have thought they were Reddish Egrets.

    So, I thought it might be helpful to do a bit of a comparison of the two.

    […]

    The pose of the Little Blue Heron does look a lot like a Reddish Egret’s way of hunting, but it is deceptive. Look back at the Little Blue. He is hunting in the shallows filled with Water Lettuce so there is no need to “shade” the water. Reddish Egrets hunt in shallow open water. Look at this Google Image search for Reddish Egrets. All of the images are in the open, not thick vegetation.

    Actually, the Little Blue is doing his best to walk on the vegetation; hence the outspread wings are to help keep his balance and not sink below the surface.

    […]

    You were there, I wasn’t.

    Birds are weird.

    I’m reminded of Albatrossity’s descriptions of various red-tailed, but not red-tailed, hawks. “No, that’s not a Red-Tailed hawk, that’s a … hawk, you can tell by the extra band on the tail feathers and the extra scaliness on …” ;-)

    Happy hunting!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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