Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

I see no possible difficulties whatsoever with this fool-proof plan.

The lights are all blinking red.

Good lord, these people are nuts.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the gop

“Loving your country does not mean lying about it’s history.”

Let’s not be the monsters we hate.

Fuck the extremist election deniers. What’s money for if not for keeping them out of office?

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

Well, whatever it is, it’s better than being a Republican.

Never give a known liar the benefit of the doubt.

Many life forms that would benefit from greater intelligence, sadly, do not have it.

The jury literally has a bell they can ring to force Trump to show up on command. Greatest thing ever!

Meanwhile over at truth Social, the former president is busy confessing to crimes.

“I never thought they’d lock HIM up,” sobbed a distraught member of the Lock Her Up Party.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

Roe isn’t about choice, it’s about freedom.

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

The revolution will be supervised.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

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DNC Night One: Waiting For Joe Biden

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…do you have your tissues ready?

I thought we could use a fresh thread for the last part of tonight.

Personal Note: Hillary looked amazing and she would have been a great president. Our bench is deep (AOC rocked) and Kamala Harris opening the events – that was awesome.

And if you missed it:

Thank you, Joe Biden

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  1. 1.

    Trivia Man

    8 channels with coverage – only ABC is showing the Raskin speech. Interviewing people in the crowd while he is speaking – must be annoying.

  10. 10.

    HumboldtBlue

    Preach, Jasmine Crockett! What an impressive woman.

    Kamala Harris has a resume! Donald Trump has a rap sheet!

  11. 11.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Trivia Man:

    MSNBC showed the full Raskin speech. And Jamie was on fire — fierce and funny. (JD is Trump’s “pet chameleon,” LOL.)

    Now Jasmine Crockett. She is always good value.

  12. 12.

    Trivia Man

    @Leto: I am watching my big TV instead of a laptop screen – all I get on the TV is over the air, we cut the cable.

  24. 24.

    TaMara

    I had a conversation with a client today – I don’t normally talk politics, but he wanted to know how I felt about all of this. He was genuinely excited – generally a libertarian – but couldn’t wait for a Kamala and Tim to be elected.

    We are both from NE originally (me just a few years in my Air Force brat travels) so Walz being a Nebraskan  – he thought it was a brilliant choice and made him really trust Kamala’s decision making skills.

    Just a little report from the Mile High state.

  25. 25.

    Elizabelle

    Weirdly enough, WaPost was interviewing some  young male delegate instead of showing Crockett’s speech.  Very strange.  Heading to C-Span now.

  29. 29.

    Paul W.

    CNN max has been doing the WHOLE convention and coverage all day long too.

    gotta say, the AOC speech was ON FIRE and I can proudly say my Rep. should be down the line making an ever bigger name for herself. For me her voice is great, and she carries the New York accent and attitude in a way that Hochul who spoke right before simply felt like a nervous high school president speech.

  30. 30.

    Omnes Omnibus

    Copied from below:  AOC and Crockett are very different speakers. But they are both really good.

  41. 41.

    Steve LaBonne

    Our bench is AOC and Crockett. Theirs is Matt Gaetz and Empty Greene. Almost seems unfair. Almost.

  52. 52.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Gwen has been close to tears listening to these reproductive rights speakers. She is going to be an incredible asset to the Harris-Walz administration.

  54. 54.

    NotMax

    In other happenings,

    Former Republican U.S. Rep. George Santos pleaded guilty in federal court on Monday, avoiding a trial that was set for next month on criminal charges including wire fraud, false statements, aggravated identity theft and theft of public funds. Source

    Oh, and DJT stock closed today at an all-time low.

  55. 55.

    K-Mo

    Wow what a lineup.  Murderers Row.  And it’s only day 1.  Hillary slayed.

    I’m going to bed, though.  I hope Biden kicks ass.

  60. 60.

    lamh47

    @kylegriffin1

    Rep. Jasmine Crockett describes, through tears, her first meeting with Vice President Harris: “When I first got to Congress, I wasn’t sure I made the right decision. The chaos caucus couldn’t elect a speaker and the Oversight Committee was unhinged. I was going through all of that when I visited the Vice President’s residence for the first time. As I approached Vice President Harris for our official photo, she turned to me and asked, ‘What’s wrong?’ Mind you, we’d never met, but she saw right through me; she saw the distress. I immediately began crying, and the most powerful woman in the world wiped my tears and listened. She then said, among other things: ‘You are exactly where God wants you. Your district chose you because they believe in you, and so do I.'”

  62. 62.

    lamh47

    That entire Reproductive Rights segment with 3 women discussing how the overturning of Rov vs Wade effected them was very powerful! 

  65. 65.

    Gretchen

    Yes, I had to go get the tissue box. Gwen Walz and I were both crying by the end of Hillary’s speech. AOC gave a barn-burner, and her loyalty to Joe Biden shone. She spoke for working people, and Jesse Jackson had a look on his face like he was just thinking, Wow. I’m sorry I missed Mallory McMorrow – hoping I can find it on YouTube.

  76. 76.

    David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch

    This is the best convention evah.    Better than any Oscar production I’ve ever seen.

  77. 77.

    prostratedragon

    Maybe Jasmine Crockett’s reference to TX looking to restore the death penalty was meant to fit with this reproductive freedom section — remind people how high the stakes are, without stirring up retorts that just waste time.

  83. 83.

    Elizabelle

    @Omnes Omnibus:  But, that he is the white male Democratic governor of a southern state …  Kentucky is more deep south than Virginia, which is purple/blue these days.

  85. 85.

    Scout211

    @TaMara: That’s the one I am watching but over on You Tube. Your embedded video works here, too. Jackals were  complaining about the network feeds.

  87. 87.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    PBS is more interested in broadcasting their annoying talking heads than the speakers

    I broke down and started streaming it directly

  88. 88.

    TaMara

    I agree with others that waiting so late for Biden is a mistake. Not that these later speeches haven’t been amazing, but dayum.

  89. 89.

    NotMax

    So what do y’all think of Harris’ choice of mocha attire?

    On TV, IMHO, comes across as kind of flat.

  96. 96.

    billcoop4

    I wonder if the delay in delegate arrivals caused by the protests caused delays (MSNBC mentioned early that the empty seats were caused by that).

     

    BC

  112. 112.

    Tom Q

    @Scout211: ​
     Yeah, all kinds of people are moaning “Joe won’t be in prime time”, as if the whole world lives on the Eastern seaboard.

  115. 115.

    Quinerly

    These speeches….every damn one of them….are important.

    Biden’s speech will be replayed over and over (and should be).

    This convention is about electing Harris. Telling a story with ALL speakers.

    Awesome night. Moving forward.

    Warnock BRINGING IT HOME.

  119. 119.

    lamh47

    Wolf in sheep clothing repubs like Tim Miller is truly have some nerve telling Dems how to structure OUR convention, knowing the only reason they are even w/Dems is because GOP can’t shake Chump…but when/if they do, they’ll be back on that GOP plantation chucking shit at Dems. Hey Tim…FUQ OFF!

    @Timodc

    I understand that many people that follow me like this and that the people in the room like this…but I don’t understand how this is helping Kamala beat Donald Trump. It’s fine. It’s ok! It’s not harmful. It’s just fan service for political obsessives.
    https://x.com/PettyLupone/status/1825725805592531229

  122. 122.

    TaMara

    @Tom Q: yeah, it’s only 9 here. But now that Coons is speaking, I may have to run and put the ducks to bed, LOL

    And anyone who was going to listen to Biden is going to stay up. Or watch the entire thing tomorrow.

    But I suspect many folks who may not have stayed for all the speakers tonight did so because they are waiting for Joe.

  127. 127.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I can see why Warnock was at Ebeneezer Baptist Church.  He is amazing.

    He’s still senior pastor at Ebenezer, and takes Sunday services there frequently. I should really get my ass in gear one of these Sundays and listen to him preach.

  129. 129.

    VFX Lurker

    @lamh47: That guy is wrong. This convention is amazeballs. Not sure if I’ll be able to watch all of the remaining days this week, but I am so glad I got to watch this day.

  135. 135.

    MomSense

    @Ivan X:

    Plus he is impossible for this alto to sing with – it’s either too high to harmonize or too low to sing in unison.

  138. 138.

    lamh47

    The folks who want to hear from Joe will stay up for Joe…periodt. Those who don’t won’t. Biden isn’t on yet cause the convention had to start a bit late because didn’t the protesters break the damn fence so some of the buses were not allowed through.

  140. 140.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Okay, here’s Dr. Jill.

    (That is a great color on her. Hadn’t expected this to be a fashion show, but there have been some great looks tonight.)

  141. 141.

    Tom Q

    @Ohio Mom: ​
     Hey, I’m in NY. I just recognize the universe doesn’t revolve around me. (The East Coast is pretty solid Dem, anyway. The Midwest is the battleground, and they’ll get him in their 10 o’clock hour.)

  142. 142.

    OGLiberal

    Holy shit, Clinton.  This is irrational exuberance but, fuck.  I love this fight. No more pussy shit.

  147. 147.

    KatKapCC

    Heck, it’s still going? I had to step away for other stuff for a couple hours. Are they planning to run to the witching hour or something?

  153. 153.

    RandomMonster

    Walz has genuine emotion when Jill is speaking. He’s capable of it and it’s moving.

  159. 159.

    TS

    @KatKapCC:

    Democrats allow everyone to talk – unlike trump who doesn’t want anyone to be involved other than himself. Democrats talk about all sorts of things, republicans talk about dear leader.

    And it’s great timing for my part of the world

  160. 160.

    Gretchen

    @RandomMonster: he looks angry during the speeches by the women affected by the abortion bans. I love the idea of an administration driven by understanding what ordinary people are dealing with. Also loved AOC talking about how normal people worry about making rent payments.

  164. 164.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Gretchen:

    Likewise. Everything I see or learn of her, the more I like her. And the kids come across as just great. What a great pick.

  168. 168.

    lamh47

    @twbrandt: I’ll say it again…

    The folks who want to hear from Joe will stay up for Joe…periodt. Those who don’t won’t.  Joe Biden is doing ONE day only and then leaving Chicago so that the focus can be on Kamala and Tim.

    Folks will stay up for Joe.

  171. 171.

    Ivan X

    I mean, it’s also possible that in addition to running late, they don’t want the media hyenas overfocusing on Biden’s speaking style.

  193. 193.

    Almost Retired

    @twbrandt:  this works out well for us in the Pacific Time Zone.  Just got back from dinner.  But, yeah, if I were in New York and not Los Angeles I might already be snoozing on the couch.  And so they we are clear, snoozing would be the ONLY thing I would be doing on or with the couch.

  196. 196.

    VFX Lurker

    Oh, wow, everyone’s holding up “We ❤️ Joe” signs.

    Perfect choice of music, too.

  206. 206.

    eclare

    @lamh47:

    Yeah.  I’m going to switch over to Colbert, HRC is the guest, and I’ll watch the rest tomorrow.

    CBS is showing Joe.  Good.

  209. 209.

    wjca

    @Baud: Biden had to go last, so a delay is going to be a risk.  Maybe they should have started earlier.

    I believe there were some challenges with the buses which were bringing delegates to the venue.

  213. 213.

    lamh47

    @TaMara:

     

    Joe Biden deserves every bit of that standing ovation! After this speech he and Dr Jill are going to Cali for “vacation” and not allowing his presence to overshadow the Harris/Walz ticket moment. So I say bask in that applause Joe!!

  222. 222.

    trnc

    DT explicitly promised that Joe would demand the nomination back. Can I get a refund?

    ETA: Joe is killing it.

  228. 228.

    Elizabelle

    @Almost Retired:  I do not want to see him retire.  I want to see him deployed by the Harris Walz administration.  So much work still to do, and he has earned the right to continue high level public service.

  233. 233.

    tam1MI

    His delivery of this speech is spot on.  So much for all the propaganda about him being a doddering old man in deep cognitive decline.

  235. 235.

    Fake Irishman

    He is older, but the cadence and the fire from the old Joe is still in there.

    So far it seems like the speech team has worked well to set him up well to emphasize those strengths. 

  241. 241.

    Quinerly

    Loving this love for my party’s prez. Handsome Joe’s speech is on fire.  Most consequential prez of my life. This speech will go down in history.

    In unrelated news…..what a wonderful fitting and beautiful suit, Joey B. Sleeves, cuffs. Color, contrast. Your women dress you well.😎

  247. 247.

    Fake Irishman

    It’s interesting to see how political rhetoric evolves. He’s forcefully denouncing Trump, insurrectionists and the GOP, but he’s still nodding to the Old Obama “I don’t see red states and blue states, Insee the United States”

  249. 249.

    Elizabelle

    You can see how much respect and affection Kamala has for Joe.  This has to be a tad bittersweet for her too, in addition to exhilerating.

  254. 254.

    KatKapCC

    Okay, I like what I think just happened there. It seemed that his stutter started to kick in a bit and he took a pause, and the crowd started to chant to fill the moment of silence. Like a supportive thing to give him a moment to get back into it. Very kind and thoughtful.

  256. 256.

    Elizabelle

    Trump promises  “… and he never built a damn thing.”  Love that line.

    It’s so true about the infrastructure spending. You can’t miss it, if you venture a few miles from your home.

  257. 257.

    lamh47

    @tam1MI: The body may be slower and looking older, but the brain is still there.

    Where folks like Clyburn, Waters even Pelosi have been able to stave off the visual sights of aging, the are all in the same age.

    Proving once again, that optics truly can be the begin and end of politics.

  258. 258.

    Fake Irishman

    @trnc:

    I was a little nervous, but I’m enjoying this. And he is too.

    The dig at ”Infrastructure week was every week” and “never built a damn thing” brutal. (and a callback to Obama and Romney)

    Followed by an Hillary-style detailed list of policy accomplishments.

  259. 259.

    Soprano2

    Josh Marshall called him “Feral Joe” on Twitter. 😅😅 I think it’s Joe Unleashed.

  265. 265.

    Darkrose

    @lamh47: The weight of the office ages most presidents. Trump is largely the exception, because he’s incapable of appreciating the gravity of the job.

  266. 266.

    Bupalos

    The reception for Biden had me tearing up, but shouty Joe isn’t my favorite Joe and the general theme here so far of “I did this whole laundry list, and Kamala was kinda there too” isn’t that great.

  270. 270.

    lamh47

    I see protestors tried it, but the audience was like…NOT today!

    @prem_thakker

    Audience members at the DNC in Chicago unfurl banner that says “Stop arming Israel.” After audience sees the banner, they begin chanting “We love Joe.” Man tries to rip banner away. Stadium lights over this spot then dimmed and banner was ripped away.
    https://x.com/prem_thakker/status/1825739025606390163

  273. 273.

    Weetabix

    Yeah, Joe’s playing to the rafter’s too much and going on a bit too long. Nothing about Kamala either. Oy.

  274. 274.

    wjca

    @Darkrose:  The weight of the office ages most presidents. Trump is largely the exception, because he’s incapable of appreciating the gravity of the job.

    The job visibly ages Presidents.  Except Trump, because a) he couldn’t be bothered to do the job, and b) he uses such a heavy hand with the makeup that nothing could be visible.

  280. 280.

    KatKapCC

    @Bupalos: When he says “we” he means his administration, including Harris. The point is to remind people of all the good things that happened under a Dem admin, and that if they want to keep those things, we need to keep a Dem admin. I think it is perfectly fine and I think he has earned some bragging rights. As far as shouting, do you want him to sit there and whisper and mumble?

  283. 283.

    Fake Irishman

    @Bupalos:

    Opinions differ, but you’ve got to take credit and let an audience know what Dems have done. And this is a huge uncontested unconstrained forum to do so.

  284. 284.

    Elizabelle

    Knows all the world leaders “because I’m so damn old.”  Like that.

    Calls Trump a loser.  Gloves off, from here on out.

    “Trump continues to LIE about crime in America.”

    I wonder if our leading newspapers could learn that word.  LIE.  Shorter than “falsehood.”

    Prosecutor in office, instead of a convicted felon.

  287. 287.

    RandomMonster

    @Bupalos: The reception for Biden had me tearing up, but shouty Joe isn’t my favorite Joe and the general theme here so far of “I did this whole laundry list, and Kamala was kinda there too” isn’t that great.

    Oh FFS please Jesus Fuck

  290. 290.

    Fake Irishman

    Without Trump on stage and without a 2 minute clock in his head, he can ease around his stutter and get those stats out.

    (incidentally this is why we have disability accommodations , so we can let students with disabilities show what they know without having to fight through their disability)

  292. 292.

    Bupalos

    @SpaceUnit: it’s ok. There’s just a kind of delicate thing here handing off to a veep, where the nominee gets bigfooted. I think it could use a little more lifting her up. Probably coming.

  296. 296.

    PJ

    @Bupalos: He’s listing what Democrats have done and what they stand for.  This is why the party exists, why everyone is there in that arena, why we are voting for them.

  301. 301.

    Quinerly

    @eclare:

    I guess I sound silly. I love clothes. I love seeing beautiful clothes that fit well on good looking people. Joe B always looks good in his suits. This one is particularly great looking. Fit on shoulders, etc.

    Pres Obama always wore his suits well. Including that tan one.

    Walz…different style, body. But his suits always look great on him.

  306. 306.

    randy khan

    @Bupalos:

    He just ticked off a bunch of her campaign talking points.

    And he seems pretty happy about attacking Trump directly, too.

    So I think he’s doing his job.

  317. 317.

    eclare

    @Quinerly:

    You don’t sound silly, I always pay attention to fit/tailoring.  That photo of TCFG in a horribly fit tux at a state dinner at Buckingham Palace is burned in my brain.

    Did he not realize he would be photographed with then Prince Charles?  Who reportedly has his shoelaces ironed every day?  It was a fucking disgrace.

  318. 318.

    Fake Irishman

    @clay:

    Look, for all intensive purposes, you really don’t have to be more pacific with your exclamations or explanations.

  319. 319.

    Quinerly

    @Bupalos:

    It’s a great speech.

    Honestly, the hand off was done 3 weeks ago. This speech should be all Biden.

    And Biden/Harris team accomplishments.

    My take/opinion.

  326. 326.

    Jackie

    @HumboldtBlue:

    On another note: The Democrats have a fucking deep, deep bench of extraordinary people, and that is in full view tonight.

    TCFG says the first night of the convention is for second rate losers (like MTG 🤣)

    The problem with that scenario is the Democratic bench is ALL Super Stars!

    He’s got to be going apeshit crazy!😂

  327. 327.

    Fake Irishman

    This has been pretty balanced

    1. America is something incredibly important and worth it.

    2. My administration did a ton.

    3. Trump sucks

    4. Kamala is going to be great.

    5. But I’ve still got five months left, I’m not dead yet, and I’ve got work to do for you.

  329. 329.

    Quinerly

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    He has strong women around him. I think Jill dresses him. He probably picks his fantastic footwear on his own, though.😉

    (I’m in love with his suit. Will you find out “who” he is wearing and report back. Thanks!)

  336. 336.

    Quinerly

    Tim is about to cry. I really want to hug him.

    He appears to be very huggable. Adore him. Perfect pick.

    America needs Tim (and Gwen) Walz.

  346. 346.

    Quinerly

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Not looking for an argument. Was mostly teasing. Southern chick in me comes out occasionally.

    Tim Walz is crying. Love these men…..Biden…..Walz.

  348. 348.

    danielx

    I was cutting onions earlier, scent must be lingering. One of the best speeches I’ve ever heard.

  355. 355.

    VFX Lurker

    OMG, the video screen behind him is now showcasing “We ❤️ Joe” and “Thank You” signs.

    MVP Harris and the Second Husband are embracing President Joe Biden and First Lady on the stage…this is so beautiful.

  358. 358.

    Bupalos

    @Quinerly: Really I just think it’s not his most effective mode. Beautiful ending.
    probably the best pure human being to ever be president.

  360. 360.

    Quinerly

    Kamala to Joe on stage, “I Love you.”

    Who else can lip read? The look she gave him. Eyes.

  362. 362.

    Elizabelle

    And they got through that entire evening without having to flash a urine cup.

    I iz impressed.

  366. 366.

    Fake Irishman

    And notice that all of his kids and grandkids are there on stage. They don’t make a big deal about it one way or another, but Hunter is a part of the family.

  378. 378.

    JWR

    @mrmoshpotato:

    PBS is more interested in broadcasting their annoying talking heads than the speakers

    They’re usually a better than this, but geez, they cut away from Jasmine Crockett and Jaime Raskin to make room for their mostly inane pitter patter. No cable here, so I watched NBC. I know I could’ve switched to C-SPAN, but I don’t like watching major events on my little 20″ monitor.

  382. 382.

    mrmoshpotato

    @JWR:

    They’re usually a better than this 

    No they aren’t.  PBS Snoozehour regularly has on David Brooks. :)

  383. 383.

    banditqueen

    @JWR: I watched it on deutsche welle — no chatter, no interruptions — I’m sure other options are available as well but I don’t know which channels specifically.

  385. 385.

    lamh47

    Ugh.  I’m just trying to pack a travel bag, so I’ve got MSNBC on to scream at the commentators…so of course they have Psaki on their 🙄😡

  386. 386.

    Elizabelle

    @JWR:

    Did everyone catch his line about Kamala, like most of our best presidents, have also been great vice presidents?

    I liked that.  He said he was joking, but it is true for several VPs.  Don’t even want to think about the ones who fell short.

  388. 388.

    eclare

    Colbert should be interesting.  He’s live this week, so the show will start past midnight.  HRC and Julia Louis-Dreyfus are the guests.

  389. 389.

    Soprano2

    @Quinerly: Me too, I’m of the firm belief that how you look is part of how you feel and how people see you. TCFG’s ill-fitting suits have always rubbed me the wrong way,  there’s no excuse for them.

  391. 391.

    SFBayAreaGal

    John Biden, the sacrifice he made for our country, I will never forget. George Washington did the same thing.

    One of the things I hope someone will bring up is his bringing our troops home from Afghanistan.

  392. 392.

    mvr

    Trump could not have pulled off that speech on his best day in his thirties. Let alone in his dotage.

  394. 394.

    KatKapCC

    @mvr: By five minutes in, he’d be talking about cereal and sharks and windmills and trucks and hamburgers and China and G-d only knows what else.

  397. 397.

    JWR

    @mrmoshpotato:

    David Brooks.

    Lol! Just as I posted my comment I thought of the PBS line-up, and his was the first name that came to mind in describing why they’re so sucky. ;).

  398. 398.

    Villago Delenda Est

    OHJB knocked it out of the park with direct attacks on the convicted felon.

    I am all smiles.

  399. 399.

    WhatsMyNym

    ‘Democrat National Convention’ has their own live stream on YouTube.  No interruptions.

  400. 400.

    Quinerly

    @Ramona:

    Thank you! Thank you!

    I realize a lot gets lost when we are just throwing around comments on a blog….I can be a joker. With that said, clothes are impt (perhaps why Baud might not ever be president????? Pants are not optional in the Oval Office).

    Pres Biden is a very handsome man who wears his suits well. I am a bit old fashioned. Love seeing well dressed men.

  405. 405.

    Quinerly

    @KatKapCC:

    Yet, we are a 50/50 country.

    When that reality hits me, I step back. For my survival, I take a break. How on fucking earth is this country so evenly divided?

  406. 406.

    tam1MI

    @WhatsMyNym: ‘Democrat National Convention’ has their own live stream on YouTube.  No interruptions.

    That is what I have been watching, and it is so refreshing to watch something without a bunch of idiot pundits telling how I should think about it.

  407. 407.

    Ramona

    @Quinerly: You are very welcome! Yours was a very good question. He uses a lot of good designers. I too look forward to finding out which designer he wore tonight. It wasn’t until you mentioned it that I noticed the fine cut and fit of his suit.

    Also, I love that he carries a handkerchief! I noticed that right away and Kate Riga on TPM remarked, “Of course, he carries a handkerchief!”

  408. 408.

    Elizabelle

    @Quinerly:  I don’t actually think we are a 50/50 country.  I think support for Team Blue is drastically undercounted.

    Were it not for the Electoral College.  And knowing that Democrats represent millions more Americans than Republicans do, even if they don’t get the equivalent seats in the House and Senate because of EC apportionment.

    Our cowardly MSM certainly wants to go with “polarized 50/50” nation. Gee.  How might that have happened, MSM?

  410. 410.

    wjca

    @Quinerly:  How on fucking earth is this country so evenly divided?

    At least in part because we have spent two centuries absorbing large numbers of immigrants.  Even with our occasional bouts of serious restrictions (including the current one), it’s a lot of change for many people to absorb.  There are other factors, but that’s a major driver IMHO.

  412. 412.

    Eric S.

    A set of helicopters just flew over my place in the Northside of Chicago. I assume that’s Joe leaving.

  413. 413.

    Ramona

    @Quinerly: I too love looking at well-dressed men. I still remember fondly the days when I discovered that the better-dressed the man the more fun de-dressing him. (I figure the word “undress” might prove too saucy :-}

  414. 414.

    Quinerly

    @Ramona:

    Hankerchief with Joe has always been a given. As I recall, the same with Bill C.

    Old school.

    Love that you weighed in. Thank you.

  417. 417.

    Jackie

    @Fake Irishman:

     Quite a contrast from the RNC convention

    You’re surprised? This is ONLY THE FIRST NIGHT!

    I’m going to be seriously sleep deprived by Friday!😂

  418. 418.

    columbusqueen

    @Quinerly: As a matter of fact, Joe has said that his father is the one who taught him to dress well. I’ve seen a photo of Joe Sr. in his 20s, in full formal fig, & he looked like the Arrow Collar man.

  423. 423.

    Ruckus

    @MazeDancer:

    One thing about Joe Biden. He understands being a leader. That it is about making the entire thing work, not jacking up your own BS – which is what SFB thinks being president was about – being royalty, not leading, being worshiped, not being someone working for everyone else. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris believe in making the government work, SFB believes in him getting rich and standing on top of something.

  424. 424.

    Ruckus

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Democrats are about everyone.

    Rethuglicans are about themselves.

    There are multiple parts to democratic principles, and they are all about the whole.

    There is one part to the rethuglican lack of principles and that is that their leader is a supposed monarch. They don’t give a rat’s ass about anyone but themselves. Their policies suck and their politicians suck. They are actually far less than a political party. They are the bad kids in the neighborhood who have stolen someone else’s treehouse. They could be the party of never go too fast, but that is a bunch of yesterdays ago. They are stuck in reverse, trying to go backwards, at top speed, back into a system that pads their bank accounts and fucks up an entire nation.

  425. 425.

    Ruckus

    @Quinerly:

    Why does it blow your mind?

    Not everyone wants to be in this century. Some think or believe that we should be the country that existed over 100 yrs ago because that was better. They can never explain how it was better but as someone who goes back quite a few decades, I can tell you it wasn’t better in so many ways. And politics was one of those ways. The world has always changed, unless the powers that be didn’t want change – then it was just slower change. (Those in charge in Russia didn’t want change for everyone, just for themselves. But to get what they want most everyone got to see the change, especially the leader’s changes, while nothing did for them.) And at some point it all changes or the leaders often cease to exist. That has been humanity since day one.

    My point is that some want things to change for them so that they come out at what they perceive to be – on top. This is SFB, he wanted to be on top worse than anything else. And as most humans realize – rather easily, SFB is what one scrapes off their shoes after walking the dog.

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