Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

No one could have predicted…

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

We can’t confuse what’s necessary to win elections with the policies that we want to implement when we do.

Pessimism assures that nothing of any importance will change.

rich, arrogant assholes who equate luck with genius

America is going up in flames. The NYTimes fawns over MAGA celebrities. No longer a real newspaper.

Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

He wakes up lying, and he lies all day.

Let’s bury these fuckers at the polls 2 years from now.

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

We’re watching the self-immolation of the leading world power on a level unprecedented in human history.

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

How any woman could possibly vote for this smug smarmy piece of misogynistic crap is beyond understanding.

If ‘weird’ was the finish line, they ran through the tape and kept running.

Those who are easily outraged are easily manipulated.

Disagreements are healthy; personal attacks are not.

“But what about the lurkers?”

Do we throw up our hands or do we roll up our sleeves? (hint, door #2)

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

We cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation.

… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

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Well, that was at least a half box of tissues speech. Looks like we could use a new thread before I head off. I missed this, but I LOVE it! One of the signs at the DNC

Late Night Open Thread: It's About Madam Time

Chat on about all the good things we are feeling now. We’ve got a few more days to bask and then it’s time to get down to work (well, except for you post card writing heroes!)

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  6. 6.

    SatanicPanic

    AOC was great , didn’t know she could speechify so well. Definitely have to watch her in 2032.

  7. 7.

    KatKapCC

    If I was the CEO of Doritos right now, I’d offer a special limited edition flavor only in red states with Kamala’s picture on the bag, called “Donald’s Nacho President Anymore.” It’s like regular Doritos, but extra salty. pic.twitter.com/t7UTLqJ6py
    — 🌊Rhonda McMillan 🎨3D Artist (@SilverARTicfox) August 19, 2024

  8. 8.

    lamh47

    First Lawrence O correcting Chris Hayes with that bullshit Joe Biden got “ego” shit!!!

    then Symone Sanders Townsend with the MIC DROP before the break!!! Not even Rachel wanted to follow that!!!

  16. 16.

    FelonyGovt

    We Dems have an amazing bench of brilliant, impressive and attractive younger folks. Jasmine Crockett, AOC, Pete … Does me so much good to see this.

  17. 17.

    UncleEbeneezer

    Missed most of the action because I had to work.  Just got home and caught second half of Biden’s speech.  Loved it.  Also watched Hillary’s which was SO GOOD!  Looking forward to watching the other great ones tomorrow morning but now I gotta get to bed.

  18. 18.

    brendancalling

    Walz got wicked weepy. As a fellow weepy-guy I like him even more.

    Biden fucking slayed. I gotta get up in 5 hours for bullshit professional development but wow—worth it.

  21. 21.

    lamh47

    @Quinerly: they got rid of her right after Biden speech and replaced her with Symone Sanders for the 15min segment before Pskai and crew came on

  26. 26.

    JWR

    Tamara: Thank you for the “It’s about Madam Time” image. I’ve already posted it to my FB page.

  29. 29.

    Quinerly

    @eclare:

    Cool.

    Damn. Totally missed it. Outside drinking a PBR and hanging with the huge super blue moon. Lots of coyotes howling.

    My JoJo is not amused.

    Incredible sky.

  31. 31.

    piratedan

    JB… man, what do you say.  A man who understands that it’s really not about HIM, it’s first and foremost about the COUNTRY and in a way, about his Party and their unique place about how they have evolved like the country itself and how they still honor the ideals of what America could be.

    I’m not sure that we’ve seen such a selfless act since Washington himself.  Politicians usually manifest a certain amount of ego and while Biden has his own, it’s never been out of balance with his sense of duty and his love of country.  I hope that we can continue his legacy but after the speeches tonight, I have a lot of faith of those that are in the party and their belief in making the country a better place, for everyone.

  32. 32.

    eclare

    Watching Hakeem being interviewed during the convention on the DVR.  Alliteration and rhyming.  Love it.

  33. 33.

    TurnItOffAndOnAgain

    @piratedan:

    I’m not sure that we’ve seen such a selfless act since Washington himself.

    We all love Joe Biden in this house, but we can tone it down a little.

  35. 35.

    ColoradoGuy

    Joe Biden is keenly aware of the history of the Democratic Party in the 20th Century. FDR saved the country from complete collapse during the Great Depression, which would have set us up for a fascist party. And then not only fighting German and Japanese fascism in WWII, but arming both the UK and Russia with American weapons.

    And the fascists have returned in our own time, sponsored by Putin, a worldwide alliance of oligarchs (including Rupert Murdoch), and the majority of the GOP. And once again, it falls to the Democratic Party to save the country and fight the fascists, while the media looks the other way and pretends none of it is happening.

  36. 36.

    TurnItOffAndOnAgain

    @Chet Murthy: I’m gonna to be real. As great as Biden has been, it kind of grinds my gears noticing the daylight between how Balloon Juice and other places has treated him during his presidency and how it treated his black Democratic predecessor.

    And while it’s looking like we just might have a chance to pull off the VP to President switcharoo, part of me feels a little sick about it, because just like Obama was elected as the economy was going into a horrific freefall, a POC has again been appointed to step in and clean up a mess. And for a lot of people, all the blame’s going to fall on Kamala if she can’t pull this off, never mind that the move to switch Biden out so close to the election was never guaranteed to work, no matter how good Kamala was and is at what she does.

    NOT trying to rain on anybody’s parade tonight. But we can celebrate all Joe’s done without putting him up on a pedestal.

  37. 37.

    Chet Murthy

    @TurnItOffAndOnAgain: wait, wut?  I think many of us still wear our hearts on our sleeves for PBHO (PBUH *grin*).  I know many times people here call Michelle “Forever FLOTUS”.  I think we’re quite aware of how hard Obama’s job was, and how good a job he did.[1]  But many of us were -surprised- at how good a job Biden did.  You can say that he was playing the game on an easier mode than Obama, b/c Biden was white.  But OTOH, Biden was fighting a fully MAGAfied G(r)OP, where it was -getting- MAGAfied during Obama’s time.

    I was -surprised- to find that Biden was the best President of my lifetime, and when I said that, I would often add “and I remain an enormous fan of President Obama”.

    Shorter: I don’t think anybody around here discounts Obama’s accomplishments; but many of us found ourselves surprised to reckon Biden’s as even more consequential.

    [1] For instance, I remain convinced that the reason that progressives got their mojo back, is that Obama showed them that government could improve people’s lives, e.g. with the ACA, but other things to (like the ARRA).  Obama helped to close out the period of “we have to always compromise with the right-wing” of the 1990s.  It’s because of his successes, that progressives began to expect more and more from government.

    P.S. And a President’s legacy isn’t just up to them: it also depends on events — the events they must deal with.  Biden was given a particularly full plate, what with both COVID and MAGA.  Full even in comparison to Obama with the Great Recession (b/c the COVID-induced recession was pretty terrible too).  Biden performed very, very well, but if he’d had more normal times, it’s likely he wouldn’t have been such a outstanding President in many people’s reckoning.

  39. 39.

    JWR

    PDT programming note: Colbert “LIVE” just came on, at midnight! That’s a wonderful theater he’s using. Said Colbert: “This is the first theater I’ve ever played where the upper balcony comes with supplemental oxygen.”

  41. 41.

    piratedan

    @TurnItOffAndOnAgain: I agree that a certain amount of the Obama Presidency has been going thru some revisionist history.  He did have to rescue the entire western world from the economic ditch that Bush drove it into.  He also had to deal with a press and a GOP that examined each act with such scrutiny that we had to cope with the optical disasters that were the Tan Suit Controversy and criticizing the PoPo for fucking with a Black Academic on his own porch.

    The ACA was monumental, getting OBL was breath-taking.

    We’re well aware of what Biden had to inherit and guide us thru without triggering a Civil War with a government he couldn’t really trust until he could staff some positions.  I don’t want to get into who was better, each had challenges that needed competency and courage to solve them.  we’ve needed both of them and I am hopeful that Harris will use their administrations as a template for how she will govern.

  44. 44.

    LadySuzy

    @TurnItOffAndOnAgain: Kamala Harris will inherit a country in good shape. The “mess” that you seem to refer to was simply a presidential campaign in difficulty. NOTHING comparable to an economy in free fall and two wars.

    The Biden campaign was not in full speed mode yet, but the campaign headquarters were already there, lots of staff in place, many field offices in the swing states were already organized. And Kamala was already part of the campaign. Of course there were readjustments, and the vetting process for a new VP candidate had to be organized at warp speed, but come on, Kamala didn’t inherit a “mess”.

    She is an excellent candidate though and kudos to her for stepping up.

  46. 46.

    columbusqueen

    @TurnItOffAndOnAgain: Guess what? When the histories are written, Biden will be ranked above Obama. He has accomplished far more in a shorter period of time. One of the biggest reasons for that is the outstanding Cabinet Biden assembled, & allowing them to do their jobs instead of letting a bunch of West Wing aides sandbag them. I think restoring the Cabinet to proper primacy in both making & executing policy is huge, & a Biden achievement that’s rarely discussed.

  47. 47.

    columbusqueen

    One further point: as much as I admire Obama, I was never thrilled with his overall economic policies. He was far too corporate oriented for my tastes. Joe’s policies have helped everyone, including me, a hell of a lot more.

  49. 49.

    eclare

    @NotMax:

    I wonder if HRC only got one interview slot because it was so late, and she had to be exhausted after giving a speech.  Julia Louis-Dreyus, the second guest, got two interview slots, which never happens.

  53. 53.

    Dan B

    @rikyrah: FOX censored some of the most exciting and dynamic speakers but people keep asking why the country is so divided and nearly 50/50.  FOX and the spinoffs are much of the reason.  There are millions of Americans who don’t hear from amazing black people but hear from white nationalists who have carte blanche on right wing media.  They’re owned by billionaires, BTW.

  56. 56.

    TurnItOffAndOnAgain

    @LadySuzy:

    Kamala Harris will inherit a country in good shape. The “mess” that you seem to refer to was simply a presidential campaign in difficulty. NOTHING comparable to an economy in free fall and two wars.

    Democrats still had her come in under the wire to fix what they perceived to be a problem big enough to warrant switching out the candidate less than six months before the election. Not that she can’t handle it, but they put all that on her shoulders. And it just makes me a little tired.

    @piratedan: This, exactly.

    I’m all for appreciating Biden, especially for his stepping aside with such grace, but it definitely feels like people are indulging in some revisionism, yes. And the fact that no one ever seems to factor in Presidenting While Black when they compare Obama and Biden gives me more than a little pause. You can’t tell me several congressmen/women didn’t run away from him and subsequently lose their jobs in 2010 because they thought it would be the better political strategy to put distance between themselves and their black president.

  57. 57.

    Ishiyama

    I watched the whole thing on tape delay. Great to see some well-crafted and compelling speeches.
    Where was that Hillary Clinton in 2016?

  58. 58.

    lowtechcyclist

    @TurnItOffAndOnAgain: ​
     

    Democrats still had her come in under the wire to fix what they perceived to be a problem big enough to warrant switching out the candidate less than six months before the election. Not that she can’t handle it, but they put all that on her shoulders. And it just makes me a little tired.

    So you’re saying what, that the job should have been given to Gavin or Gretch instead, so that we weren’t sticking a Black person with the cleaning up? I don’t get you.

    Of course you don’t mean that, but what other alternative is there to the thing you’re complaining about?

  60. 60.

    opiejeanne

    @Ishiyama: She was out there, giving those speeches while the network cameras showed an empty podium waiting for TFG to arrive, late as usual. I was privileged to hear her speak when she visited Seattle, and she was electric.

  61. 61.

    Dark Patriot

    Good thing no Democrat ever ran away from Biden, though some were throwing him under the bus and /or stabbing him in the back

  63. 63.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @columbusqueen:

    One further point: as much as I admire Obama, I was never thrilled with his overall economic policies. He was far too corporate oriented for my tastes. Joe’s policies have helped everyone, including me, a hell of a lot more.

    Bingo.  His economic team was a who’s who of neolibs.  It didn’t stop there….

  64. 64.

    cmorenc

    @Chet Murthy:

     if he’d had more normal times, it’s likely he wouldn’t have been such a outstanding President in many people’s reckoning.

    Nor “in more normal times” would Abraham Lincoln have been such an outstanding President – what exactly would he have been remembered for if the southern states hadn’t immediately freaked out at his election? – he’d likely be known for crafting yet another band-aid compromise deal to mollify both northern and southern interests, until it blew up again into civil war for the next or 2nd president after him to deal with.

  65. 65.

    Another Scott

    @cmorenc: ?

    Transcontinental railroad.

    Land-grant colleges and universities.

    The Homestead Act.

    The National Banking Act.

    Etc.

    Lincoln was much, much more than the protector of the Union and the Great Emancipator.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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