I love this outburst of patriotism at the DNC tonight
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/aXPK5gayEM— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) August 23, 2024
here's the entirety of Pink's performance at the DNC pic.twitter.com/KhuvifqruT
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 23, 2024
Fun fact about @Pink who is performing at the DNC tonight. She gives away 100,000’s of banned books at her concerts.
She gives away copies of books removed from schools in some areas of Florida like dictionary’s, The Diary of Anne Frank and more.
RT if you love #bannedbooks.… pic.twitter.com/ct0OLxs9UV
— Maile (@MailePRMedia) August 22, 2024
What if Taylor Swift uses the DNC to announce a new album that she’ll only release if Kamala wins
— Phil’s Wins 🥥🌴 (@philipjonathn) August 22, 2024
[mic drop]
Elizabeth Warren at the DNC: "Trust Donald Trump and JD Vance to look out for your family? Shoot, I wouldn't trust them to move my couch." pic.twitter.com/TvkxKkIwPr
— CBS News (@CBSNews) August 22, 2024
War for Ukraine Day 911: A Brief Thursday Night Update
HumboldtBlue
Warren nailed it. Just perfect. And her welcome was touching as well.
rikyrah
She was raised by the Village🤗
Baud
@HumboldtBlue:
That was something.
Maxim
MVP still speaking.
HumboldtBlue
Detail his crimes over and over again.
Baud
I think the jury is going to convict.
dmsilev
“Just imagine Donald Trump with no guardrails”.
No thanks. I’d like to sleep tonight.
3Sice
This prosecutor isn’t fucking around.
KatKapCC
“To serve the only client he has ever had: HIMSELF.”
zhena gogolia
Don Cheadle in the audience!
dmsilev
This is amusing. Post liveblog:
He’s pissed that she got such a long and sustained welcome ovation.
Princess
Every time she talks about building houses and ending the housing crisis, I think of our Suzanne.
rikyrah
@Princess:
BJ jackals be knowing👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
KatKapCC
@dmsilev: What an absolutely pathetic little loser.
Scout211
I’m beginning to think that TMZ is not a reliable news source.
dmsilev
@KatKapCC: Take solace in the thought that he’s absolutely infuriated and miserable right now.
KatKapCC
“They are out of their minds.”
DAMN RIGHT.
rikyrah
We trust women!
zhena gogolia
@Scout211: I’m glad the rumor was false. It would have distracted. The Pink performance was perfect.
cain
She is talking like a lawyer doing a closing statement. She is in a court of public opinion
M31
“When the congress sends me a bill mandating that Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito get kicked in the junk every hour on the hour, I WILL SIGN THAT BILL”
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
I’m still holding out hope for a surprise at the after party after the speech.
Scout211
@zhena gogolia: yes, I agree.
KatKapCC
@Baud: That “Angry Staffer” person, whoever they are, insisted there was going to be some amazing surprise tonight, so…if there’s nothing after Harris, then they have some ‘splainin’ to do.
Princess
@cain: That’s what I thought but I’ve never been in a courtroom. I don’t know if it’s a closing or an opening argument.
BR
I deleted my BlueSky account. Not sure I want that noise in my head after tonight.
Baud
@KatKapCC:
I’ll never trust aonymous Twitter accounts again.
HumboldtBlue
The contrast between Harris and Trump is staggering.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: At the after party, she will do shots of Malort with anyone brave enough to challenge her to a drinking contest. Put your money on Harris.
Omnes Omnibus
@BR: I am proud of you?
Baud
As a regular NYT reader, all of her success is news to me.
BR
Still watching with sound off — she’s looking much more forceful now. Dunno if that’s accurate to her tone.
KatKapCC
See, folks? It is indeed possible to be pro-Palestine AND pro-Israel!
Baud
@BR:
It is.
zhena gogolia
@KatKapCC: It was very well done.
Jeffro
I am so glad that we got a Warren Presidency with a Biden face on it! ;)
KatKapCC
Fuck me, this is an incredible speech.
zhena gogolia
I think she’s just surpassed Obama.
BR
@Baud:
Now I can see her smile coming through — projecting warmth. Is she heading for a joy ending?
Jeffro
Ok here we go…everything that had to be laid out has been laid out…time for VP Harris to let it rip!
Quinerly
@BR:
Probably a good idea.
Honestly, I don’t see how people have time for Twitter and the new Twitter replacements. Take a break from the “noise.”
We are going to win. I have no doubt. Strong feelings and vibes.
Scout211
None of us has to fail for all of us to succeed.
dm
Great maternal wisdom in this speech.
Steve LaBonne
I will be so very proud to call Kamala Harris my President.
JoyceH
Moving to the new thread. The suit still looks black to me. Not that I mind, it’s quite flattering. But I suspect there will be a lot of Analyzing about it – female pols usually wear pastel or bright. I think it’s nice to expand one’s options.
tam1MI
Not that hard at all. :)
Mowgli
Absolute FIRE.
rikyrah
Fight for this country✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
japa21
I need a cigarette.
Yutsano
Okay folks.
The fun is over.
There’s now work to be done.
3Sice
If Trump had any brain function left, he’d be hopping that fence before she finishes.
Princess
@JoyceH: I love the black.
Baud
I’d say she stepped up.
Interestingly, I don’t think she used the word joy.
SpaceUnit
Damn.
M31
She’s good! I’m voting for her
tam1MI
I just scared my cats I cheered so loud!
Baud
@M31:
Me too, now that RFK Jr has dropped out.
unrelatedwaffle
@Baud: thank you for the loud hillary cackle i emitted
Jackie
@dmsilev:
I don’t take solace; I take unbridled JOY!!! And unfettered HAPPINESS!!!
mrmoshpotato
@Yutsano: But first we must watch The Daily Show and Colbert.
Princess
They’re all in black to dark blue. They are deadly serious. They’re not messing around here.
Gin & Tonic
@Quinerly:
Exactly eight years ago I was in Ukraine for the 25th anniversary of its independence, and calmly assured my friends that HRC was going to win. I had no doubt.
HumboldtBlue
That was legendary.
Omnes Omnibus
Tim and Gwen looking endearingly like tourists in the big city.
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
TMZ’s credibility was really damaged today
Ishmael
@JoyceH: The suit looks like a dark navy blue on my tv.
It fits great and she looks wonderful!
twbrandt
Obama-level speech. Damn
dmsilev
“Release the balloons. All of them. “
zhena gogolia
@Baud: 😂
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Great speech!
piratedan
I think the “surprise” is that she went ahead and took on both the Immigration and Gaza/Israel issues straight on in her acceptance speech.
They may not have been the words that our know-betters may have wanted to hear, but essentially that she is not changing course at this time. What gets done afterwards, who’s to say what type of House and Senate she might have. This is to get us past the next three months and to kick the electoral hopes of DJT in the nads.
Richard Fox
I think there’s a real future for Kamala Harris in politics lol. 🌞🌞😎😎 What a memorable speech. She has my vote. ❤️👍
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Was there ever anything even officially teased by the DNC for a special guest? Or was it entirely rumor
zhena gogolia
@Gin & Tonic: I always have doubt. That’s why my blood ran cold when she said imagine Trump with no guardrails
frosty
@Princess: Yes, it’s nice having an architect on the site. And so many other experts too. Even the lawyers! And the union buster!!
Baud
Biden chose well in 2020.
tam1MI
So is this the part where Joe Biden parachutes in and takes back the nomination? ;)
Mike E
She went there on policy, no threading of the needle attempted or required.
ETA Robert Costa both-sidesing and concern trolling on CBS per usual
SFBayAreaGal
@japa21: I don’t smoke, but dang I want to light one up.
rikyrah
@Baud:
Yes. JoeyB chose well.
Baud
@Mike E:
Eh, not really. It was more goals than policy.
ETA : which I approve of.
KatKapCC
Partner and I are just grinning and sniffling like a couple of dorks. What an amazing night.
Omnes Omnibus
Just sent the campaign some cash.
Baud
@rikyrah:
It’s a much better Harris than I remember in 2020. She really grew in the job.
JWR
I love it when she uses her deep, strong, and oh so commanding voice. Sends shivers down me spine, in the same way a professional singer I used to hang out with would sometimes do.
And I was very glad for the strength of her words not just for Israel, but for the Palestinian people, too.
dmsilev
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Pretty much all just rumor/wishful thinking.
JoyceH
I’ve decided the suit is the same blue as Navy Dress Blues (which are actually black).
Ivan X
That was some hot stuff. Feels great to be a Democrat tonight.
mrmoshpotato
@Baud:
Nominated.
FelonyGovt
I’m remembering how emotional I felt when Hillary accepted the nomination. I so hope this time we prevail.
SiubhanDuinne
@Ishmael:
DEEP Blue. It’s a telling metaphor.
:-)
KatKapCC
@HumboldtBlue: It was. Put that one in the record books.
Jeffro
@M31:
@Baud:
Ha! You two
HumboldtBlue
@JoyceH:
She looked like the prosecutor. That’s almost a uniform.
Fair Economist
@BR: I don’t know how Bluesky is, but in Mastodon I can curate who I follow and who I mute and it’s not hard to keep my feed pretty nice.
mrmoshpotato
@FelonyGovt: Same!
dc
Donate to the Harris/Walz campaign if you can! Money talks (but is NOT speech!)
Baud
So nothing like 1968. Media sad.
Steve LaBonne
@Baud: I very very much wanted him to choose her and I’m just gonna quietly gloat about how right I was.
sanjeevs
Has TMZPitchbot weighed in?
M31
OK Aretha when that song goes up a step is BOSS
BR
@Fair Economist:
BlueSky isn’t nearly as full featured as Mastodon for that kind of stuff — Mastodon has way more filtering, muting, etc. types of features, and video. I tried BlueSky this week because more of the semi-big-name lefty types converged there but the horseshoe left did too and it drove me crazy. Despite the occasional pedantic commenter that I run into on Mastodon, it’s way more generally interesting.
BenInNM
@Omnes Omnibus: Me too – and just to spread it around I picked Jon Tester at random and sent him some cash too. Gotta keep the Senate!
Baud
I hope the young people enjoyed it.
Jeffro
@Baud: I (seriously) look forward to all of the various books and what not that will take us behind the scenes and hopefully show how Biden and/or his team at the very least made an impression about what it really takes to get shit done at that level
(to take nothing away from MVP whatsoever)
in the meantime…Godspeed and good luck, Harris/Walz!
M31
@sanjeevs: TMZPitchbot hahahahahahahahaha snort
frosty
@Steve LaBonne: Ha! Me too. She was my favorite in the primary and I was really glad she was his VP pick.
Trivia Man
My wish was an explicit statement “he appointed 3 supreme court justices who lied to me in their confirmation hearing about respecting Roe vs Wade. They lied and he knew they were lying when he chose them. And now he brags about it.” She did a good job laying it out clearly, I just wih their bald face lying under oath was mentioned more. That would help reform the court.
She gets an A tonight.
Old School
Shalimar
Trump has something scheduled tomorrow in Arizona and then Nevada. It would be hilarious if Harris/Walz have a rally tomorrow somewhere with Beyonce and Taylor Swift to stomp on his pathetic counterprogramming.
Westyny
@HumboldtBlue: Amen.
mrmoshpotato
@Baud: As a Chicagoan, I’m happy for that.
piratedan
@BR: to be honest, when I run into the “purer than thou” types on threads, I simply mute that account so I don’t have to see them fucking that same chicken.
Baud
@mrmoshpotato:
Your city did good.
Fair Economist
@BR: I was planning to check out Bluesky and Threads too – but – I tried Mastodon, and I like it, and I never got around to checking the others. Feels like too much hassle to have multiple accounts.
Jackie
Here’s the “surprise”:
Hope Bret Baier’s rating hits a record low.
japa21
In a sane world, she would get 73% of the vote.
KatKapCC
@Gin & Tonic: Oh hey, thanks for the rain cloud, it was definitely getting too sunny.
Come on. What’s the point of comments like this, on this night especially?
trnc
Me, assigned the task: “Whoops, looks like I’m early. Again.”
oldster
She did good. She needed to land that speech in a big way, and she did it.
I’m going off to bed a very happy old man. America is a mystery, and sometimes it’s a happy surprise.
Gin & Tonic
@KatKapCC: Enthusiasm is good. Complacency can be fatal.
Feel free to pie me.
Citizen Dave
@Steve LaBonne: Same for me. I read her book in 2019 and was very impressed. Had the only car in my metro area with a Kamala sticker…I liked so many things in the speech, but the overall seriousness prevents the pundits from saying she isn’t. The very dark blue added to that.
Quinerly
@Gin & Tonic:
I never felt HRC was a sure win. Neither did Rep Debbie Dingle. I also felt a huge black cloud after Comey.
Short campaign cycle also really helps us this time around.
This isn’t 2016.
BTW, toasting the speech with a variation of your nym.
A “St. Charles”….a G&T with extra lime and Peychaud’s Bitters. My favorite summer cocktail.
danielx
She is SO good. Totes awesome as da yoots say, at least in my imagination. Clear, concise, serious, emotional, everything. Damn I will be proud to vote for that woman. If anybody didn’t know where she stands on just about anything, they can’t say they don’t know anything about her now.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@KatKapCC:
Nothing against HRC, she would’ve made a great president, especially compared to what we got, but she had to deal with decades of smears that ultimately dragged her down I think, in addition to everything else arrayed against her and us
patrick II
“Simply put, they are out of their minds.” — Kamala Harris
Steve LaBonne
@danielx: But where were the detailed policy proposals? - FTFNYTmrmoshpotato
@Baud: Thanks.
BR
@Quinerly:
Yeah, I never felt good about 2016. It wasn’t the polls, but rather that I never got over that hill with HRC. I agreed with her on policy, but you can just tell when someone is a natural politician, and HRC was like Kerry in that way — good but not great.
BR
@Fair Economist:
Yeah, I can get my political feeds on Mastodon (general news, not random big name lefties) and then so much other interesting stuff. And so many cat and dog and capybara and sheep and kangaroo and … photos from all over the world.
FastEdD
That was Serious Prosecutor Harris who showed up tonight, as is befitting the occasion. In demeanor and presentation. I liked when she slowed down and spoke softly for contrast before picking it up again. Republicans like Rove were scared and trying to stop her in 2010. They should be scared. They won’t stop her. Ever.
hitchhiker
@Princess: I was on a federal jury once for a case that went on for six weeks … this was a closing argument.
And a great one.
clay
@patrick II: Honestly, that should be a tag. Attribution and all.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
I think one of my favorite lines about Kamala came from Doug in his speech (possibly paraphrasing): “Remember that a joyful warrior is still a warrior.”
cain
@BR:
Mastodon’s first wave of people were LBGTQ fleeing Nazis and so they needed stronger tools to be able to deal with anxiety of dealing with assholes.
The 3rd wave is when the others showed up and had a culture clash.
BR
Josh Marshall says Trump called into Fox just now and melted down and even the Fox hosts couldn’t really talk him down.
mrmoshpotato
@FastEdD:
Ham Rove was trying to stop Kamala Harris?
stinger
@dmsilev: Wouldn’t it have been cool if instead they’d released 100,000 hounds?
KatKapCC
@Gin & Tonic: I’m not going to pie you over this, sheesh. But I don’t see anyone being complacent. I see them being fired up, being enthusiastic, being hopeful, being ready to work. None of that equals complacency unless you view everything through the most pessimistic lens imaginable.
trnc
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Yup. Also, I know Hillary voters who complained that she didn’t sound completely sincere during speeches, so I wonder if that had any impact with independents but I suspect that people generally understand not every candidate can be a gifted speaker.
She’s great in interviews. I assume the back and forth with people in a conversation is just a more comfortable place for her.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@BR:
Speaking of capybaras, I think you’ll enjoy this
mrmoshpotato
@BR: LOL! WEAK! SAD! POOP! (h/t Wonkette)
BR
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Haha. I love how chill they are. They don’t mind any other animals sitting on them or even trying to eat them.
Eolirin
@trnc: HRC often felt like she was trying to carefully manage her language to avoid giving the press reasons to attack her. There was a defensiveness there. Given the distortions and pile on around the deplorables thing, she wasn’t wrong about it per se, but it comes across as inauthentic, I think. She’s felt a lot looser since she stopped trying to run for anything, and she’s much more effective for it.
narya
@BR: and I feel that way about Bluesky as my mastodon account languishes…I’m just glad there are alternatives to the Bad Place(s).
trnc
Ha! I’ll be looking for those clips tomorrow.
Side note: I’m able to write all my comments in the visual section instead of having to use the Text tab, so I guess Kamala fixed that.
rikyrah
LarryO bringing up that Karl Rove saw it when she ran for Attorney General of California. How Rove went out of his way to try and defeat her before she blooms… And, he failed😂😂😂😂
JWR
@Quinerly:
I’m keeping my eyes and ears open for any fuckery from F.B.I. director Wray, who’s fulfilling the role of Always A Republican FBI Director, just like it says in the constitushun.
Quinerly
@trnc:
We need clips.
Jackie
I hope Kamala and Doug ditch the parties and elope to celebrate their 10th wedding anniversary!🥰
2liberal
@Angry_Staffer
rikyrah
@mrmoshpotato:
Yes. He was directly involved in the campaign
Eolirin
@Quinerly: Comey made my stomach sink, but just listening to Trump a couple of times made me nervous. He’s degraded substantially since 2016, but if you ignored what he was saying back then and just listened to how he spoke, it was pretty evident that he was way more compelling to his base and ‘normal’ (white) people than anyone “serious” was giving him credit for and was going to do much better than people were expecting. That plus the convention bullshit from the Bernie delegates, Russian influence ops, etc, it was a perfect storm.
And for all of that, she only missed it by that much.
Quinerly
@BR:
Did Fox carry her speech?
I didn’t watch any of the RNC. Now I am slightly regretting that. Would love to compare the 2 from production aspects. Especially what came after Trump’s speech. Was it at all festive?
MisterForkbeard
I’m only able to start watching her speech now. This is a fantastic speech. Even in the beginning – full of emotion, clearly spoken from the heart. And intense at the same time.
Quinerly
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
Yes! Great visuals.
SiubhanDuinne
@stinger:
Puppy Galore
Chet Murthy
@KatKapCC: I’m not going to rain on your party; and I know that for many people, being optimistic goes hand-in-hand with taking action. Others are different, and …. well, for some realism is just unavoidable. I know I tend much more towards @Gin & Tonic: in the way I interpret events, and after the nightmare that started on Nov 9 2016, I can’t get enthusiastic: I just can’t anymore.
rikyrah
Michelle Obama (@MichelleObama) posted at 10:45 PM on Thu, Aug 22, 2024:
What an inspiring and historic night — a true representation of what it means to be an American. @KamalaHarris delivered an impassioned and powerful speech tonight that showed the country and the world that she is ready to lead us forward.
She did her part with grace, strength, and determination. And now, it’s up to us, regardless of how we identify politically, to do the same. Each of us must do what we know in our hearts is right.
We must vote like our lives depend on it. We must rally our neighbors and communities. And we must start now. Don’t wait. We can’t let this momentum die down.
Because there is only one choice for in this election — and that is the next President of the United States, @KamalaHarris!
(https://x.com/MichelleObama/status/1826828163810304054?s=02)
mrmoshpotato
@rikyrah: Can you give me more information about this?
Trivia Man
@trnc: let me guess – grandpa phoned it in instead of doing a video link. What is he hiding? Why won’t he do interviews on camera? And where are his tax returns?
NotMax
Hecukav night, eh wot?
prostratedragon
Mike Pence unchained!
“At least I know how to order donuts.”
I thought it might mean something when he posted those Wyoming photos during the RNC.
rikyrah
Renee 🪷 (@PettyLupone) posted at 10:47 PM on Thu, Aug 22, 2024:
Kamala didn’t need Beyonce or Taylor.
She was the star tonight. She was like Muhammad Ali with that speech. She just kept throwing punches. Perfect pace. Perfect pitch. And even perfect personality.
And she will be our pragmatic President. https://t.co/AKWj2pxtQd
(https://x.com/PettyLupone/status/1826828551078957237?t=d0fnCTpcsMpXKqmLJrgNuQ&s=03)
BR
I’m finally getting to watch her speech with sound. I have something in my eye.
rikyrah
@mrmoshpotato:
I mean directly involved. Raised tons of money. Flooded the CA airwaves with ad after ad. Remember, Rove was in the White House ..and you had him managing the Attorney General race for the Republican candidate.
Omnes Omnibus
@narya: I think each attracts a different kind of Twitter refugee. I tried Mastodon and did not feel like I fit. Bluesky works better for me.
Eolirin
You know, I know there are a lot of reasons why it’s probably not a good idea to do this, but I’m constantly disappointed that our politicians keep treating the presidency like it has any say over what laws get enacted, rather than what laws don’t get enacted.
And I get why, because of the cult of the presidency, it makes more sense to make the election about how Trump is uniquely awful. But it should really be about how Trump doesn’t even have policy positions, doesn’t make any decisions, is completely unserious about doing the job of being president, is fundamentally weak and easily manipulated by the people around him, and the problem is actually groups like the federalist society and other organizations run by crazy right wing billionaire Christian nationalists who can use his administration to push their own agendas.
FastEdD
@mrmoshpotato: Yes, when she was a DA. She told us that story in a labor caucus meeting in 2016. They’ve been trying to stop her for a long long time.
cain
@Eolirin:
Yeah and that’s why they are scared shitless of Tim Walz. Kamala too considering how she presented herself today.
Speaking from the heart and without guile. Trump had a speaking style that spoke of white supremacy plus the mythical businessman behind him.
rikyrah
MVP did the Uno Reverse on patriotism…
Snatched it completely from the GOP✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
SatanicPanic
No Tay Tay and no Queen Bey. I want a refund ☹️
Edit- I kid that was great . Harris and Walz are the perfect people for this moment.
Quinerly
@Chet Murthy: sorry that you can’t get enthusiastic. Keep in mind this time we aren’t running the wife of an ex president. (Personally as much as I loved the Clintons, I never completely felt comfortable with that narrative). This is a totally different kind of campaign. 2016 is a lifetime ago in politics. Plus, I feel confident my party is more unified now than in 2016. The Bernie Deadenders did us no favors in 2016.
Right now I am just thanking my lucky stars that the most consequential president of my lifetime had the good judgment to step aside. At least with Harris we have a chance at winning now.
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
@Ivan X:
I agree, Whitmore is hot stuff
Quinerly
@BR:
You take your speech watching very seriously.
Endearing.
Steve LaBonne
@rikyrah: That seemed like the main theme of the whole convention and it’s about damn time. This is why the flag is flying from my porch along with a Progress Pride flag, and there are Black Lives Matter, Reproductive Rights Are Human Rights, and Hate Has No Home Here signs in my front yard. I want my MAGA neighbors and every MAGA motherfucker who drives past my house (and where I live there are plenty of them) to know they don’t fucking own our country and our flag.
Eolirin
@cain: Trump spoke like Hitler in 2016. Not just in terms of content. The cadence was there. It was really charismatic, if you were blind to the horribleness of what he was saying.
But I don’t think he can pull that off anymore. It gives us an edge this time around. He’s tired, and rambling, and it all just feels old. He can’t keep to the rhythm that made him dangerous in 2016, at least not consistently.
BR
@Quinerly:
It’s interesting that she has gone through so many different voices, if I can call it that, in this speech. Quiet and conversational, explainer in chief, stern and forceful, and lots more.
stinger
@SiubhanDuinne: LOL
Steve LaBonne
@BR: A skilled prosecutor giving her closing argument.
dm
@Omnes Omnibus: you’re not alone. Act blue raised $11.5 million from 10pm to 11pm Eastern this evening.
SatanicPanic
@Steve LaBonne: about fucking time too. America has plenty of issues but it’s great. I’m so over liberals and leftists who can’t look around and see great things going on. We invented almost everything cool.
Chet Murthy
@Quinerly: “Keep in mind this time we aren’t running the wife of an ex president.”
Thing is, I have -always- been a big Hillary fan. One of the reasons I supported Bill, was “two for the price of one”. I was always a Hillary-stan. And I never believed that “wife of a President” gibe: remember the old joke: “what would the world be like if Hillary Rodham had married GHWB? He’d have been a two-term President and Bill Clinton would have topped out someplace in Arkansas.”
She was the real deal for me from the jump. So seeing her lose was pretty damn traumatic. And the years after were more trauma. COVID was trauma. Learning that my countrymen wanted me in camps, wanted my family in camps, wanted us dispossessed, was traumatic.
So I can’t be optimistic. What I -can- be, is grimly determined. It’s what got me thru life, frankly.
I do agree with you about President Biden: the Best President of my lifetime, an American Cincinnatus for the 21st Century.
Lyrebird
@Eolirin: Hey, fwiw I think you’re making an excellent point.
Jackie
😂🤣😂 Fox cut DonOLD OFF!
cain
@SatanicPanic:
They are like the Trumpists, they only have hate and loathing. They can’t see anything good because they only see bad things.
Nothing is good. Horrible way to exist.
KatKapCC
@Chet Murthy: Ask yourself: What good does permanent pessimism do anyone?
This is not 2016. Stop living in the past and help us fix the future.
BR
I’m realizing this speech is really a conversation — it’s not a big punchline kind of speech.
Eolirin
@SatanicPanic: We’ve been simultaneously one of the biggest boosters for civil rights as well as awful bigotry on the world stage for a long time.
While the Russians and maybe the Saudis give us a run for our money on the latter, no one really competes with us on the former. The US not falling into darkness is pretty damn necessary for the rest of the world to have a fighting chance.
KatKapCC
@dm: Dang!
wjca
No Biden swooping in to seize the nomination either. ☹️ Definitely deserve a refund.
What can you trust anymore, if you can’t trust rumors?!?!?
KatKapCC
@Chet Murthy: Optimism doesn’t mean you believe anything is guaranteed. It means you believe anything is possible.
SatanicPanic
@Eolirin: I agree. The world needs us. We’re trying, and that alone is pretty great.
HumboldtBlue
@rikyrah:
Yeah she was.
prostratedragon
A simple flip of the switch.
Urza
I did not want Biden, and Harris was my last choice in 2020. I’m rather glad to be wrong on those. I was wrong because they changed from who they were before 2020, but I absolutely appreciate people who can learn and grow. Though Warren still would have been nice.
cain
@KatKapCC:
I don’t think asking someone to get over it is going to help. It is clearly a trauma. He will come around at his own pace.
We aren’t out of danger and we still need to work our ass off. But it was a fun 4 days but now it’s time to get to work.
lamh47
Best picture of the night.
https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1826835582158291181?s=46
Enhanced Voting Techniques
This election is certainly different than 2016 and 2020.
I think Anne should to a post about that weird ass call to Fox Trump did. That felt like Trump is losing his shit.
Quinerly
@lamh47: wow!!!
dm
@Chet Murthy:
Best President in your lifetime so far.
I always thought it was amazing that each successive Republican President managed to make the previous one look good in comparison, appealing though they were.
With Democrats, they just keep getting better.
Chet Murthy
@KatKapCC: “This is not 2016. Stop living in the past and help us fix the future.”
As I said, I understand that for “normal” brains, optimism and action go together. They don’t for me, and perhaps they don’t for G&T either. As I said, “grim determination”. I made my decisions about what I would do during this election cycle when things looked bad.
KatKapCC
@cain: People can wallow in the past if they like, but insisting on dragging the rest of us down into the muck with them is gonna get pushback. If they don’t like it, there is a simple solution.
Eolirin
@Lyrebird: I think it’s the core of why the white Evangelical Christian Nationalists are happy to ignore his personal violations of their rules; he’s a gaping void where a person should be, he has no values at all, and will sign off on anything without understanding it, so the people around him have all the actual power, and those people are part of the movement.
Part of why his first administration failed to do as much damage as it could have was because those people were often at war with each other, and there were some establishment types getting in the way.
That won’t happen this time around if he wins.
But the flip of this is that he’s fundamentally weak. He’s fundamentally not in control of anything. He has no idea what’s even going on most of the time. He has no policy positions, no vision, no direction. That’s all being driven by other people. What’s particularly dangerous about framing Trump as having agency and power in the face of that is that those people don’t go away when Trump goes away. That threat will remain as long as we don’t turn the spotlight on the Christian Nationalist movement itself and drive them far from any levers of power.
BR
@KatKapCC:
We’re a big tent.
Chet Murthy
@KatKapCC: “This is not 2016.”
Over at LG&M, the famed commenter Murc noted many months ago that given the structural advantages that the G(r)OP enjoys in our political system, and given Duverger’s Law, it was a lead-pipe cinch that sometime in the next 15 year they -will- take the trifecta. Since they are at this point a Fascist party, that moment will be lights-out for our Republic. This remains true even if Harris wins in November.
Things are -worse- than they were in 2016. Worse.
KatKapCC
@Chet Murthy: As I said in a later comment, you seem to be operating from an odd definition of optimism.
wjca
I must protest. GHW Bush did not make Reagan look good by comparison! But it’s definitely been down hill since then.
cain
Hahaha ! Fox is calling into Fox and Newsmax hyperventilating. Fox had to cut him off.
Quinerly
@KatKapCC:
Thanks!
I really can’t see how anyone can compare where we are now, what we know, and the candidate we have now in 2024 to 2016.
Kent
Perhaps.
But both Biden and Harris were subjected to a media filter in 2020 that painted them differently than they really were. We should have learned that lesson by now. It might not have been so obvious as the 2016 “but her emails” and the 2024 “Biden is soooo OLD” but it was the same game played by the same players who were happy to keep fluffing Trump and cast aspersions towards every Democrat for slights however small.
RevRick
Thank you, President Biden for choosing Kamala Harris as your VP and for mentoring her so well. She will assume the mantle seamlessly.
Chet Murthy
@KatKapCC: You said optimism means believing anything is possible. But that’s patently false. Not all things are possible. As I noted above, it’s a lead-pipe cinch that the G(r)OP will take the trifecta sometime in the next 4-ish cycles. No amount of optimism will change that.
KatKapCC
@Chet Murthy: Okay, well, you clearly want nothing other than to get everyone to be doom and gloom, to think nothing matters, nothing will work, nothing will change, everything is horrible forever.
You do not need to tell me that things are scary. I’m a queer Jewish woman. My partner is trans and disabled. We are well aware. We are also aware that nothing is written in stone, and that nothing ever got accomplished by people sitting around and insisting that nothing will get accomplished.
Editing after your 213: Fine, I cry uncle then. YOU ARE RIGHT. Everything is awful, nothing will ever be good again, let’s all just go jump into the ocean with cement shoes on.
Stop it. You can operate the way you want, though I don’t know why you think mainlining despair is helpful, and I will operate the way I want, which is to DO SOMETHING and work for something better. If we get that victory, I hope you won’t claim any part of it
Now I have to help my partner to bed so we can be up tomorrow to phone bank. Because doing work is better than doing nothing.
Quinerly
@Chet Murthy:
Glad that I don’t spend my time on LGM.
cain
@KatKapCC:
He aired his comment. You can scroll past. I frequently don’t care about a lot of people’s comments and I just scroll past.
But I also understand his position and I am empathetic. As I said eventually people come around. I have plenty of optimism enough for both of us!
moonbat
@BR:
You should give Spoutible a try. The vibes there are immaculate.
BR
General recommendation to folks: click on any positive stories about Harris on various sites over the next days and ignore Trump stories (even if negative). We need to show the media that Harris draws clicks. (Sad to say, but that’s how it goes.)
patrick II
@clay:
I agree.
wjca
They don’t go away. But without his cult followers, they are hard pressed to win elections.
@Chet Murthy
The other Republican politicians with anything like a national profile, however odious, just aren’t in his league when it comes to conning the rubes. And they know it; which is why they are so desperate to win this time.
SiubhanDuinne
@lamh47:
Same feels as little Parker Curry gazing up at the portrait of Michelle Obama, remember?
Omnes Omnibus
@Chet Murthy: Nothing is a lead pipe cinch. The future is unwritten. And as long as I am spouting cliches, “What do we say to the god of death?” “Not today.”
BR
@moonbat:
I like the idea but Spoutible is too niche for me. I want some politics but also want jokes and science and totally random hobbies and art and animals and so much more, from all over the world, which is what I have found in my follows on Mastodon.
Chet Murthy
@KatKapCC: “If they don’t like it, there is a simple solution.”
Look: I didn’t offer my own pessimism until you got a little shirty with G&T. Not all of us here are blessed with the luck of always looking on the bright side of life. Perhaps you know a little about G&T’s background, and if you don’t, I’d just suggest that they have good reason for seeing the glass as half–full sometimes, seeing the world thru a dark glass.
And I will also add that on November 6 2024, if we wake up with a reinstalled TCFG, I will not have any regrets. None. Not. One. Damn. Regret. That also is due to my seeing the world thru pessimistic eyes. Any action, ANY ACTION that I would wish I had taken on that day in November, I am already taking today, now.
Eolirin
@Chet Murthy: Yeah, that’s bullshit though. It assumes there’s no significant shifts in those structural issues over that time period. I think that’s assuming facts not in evidence.
It’s one thing to say if you were to run 4 presidential year elections with the state of the country exactly as it is now, there’s a very high chance the republicans end up with a trifecta. That’s probably true. But by the time you get to the second, third and especially fourth presidential election, you’ve got significant demographic shift, as well as potentially large changes to our laws, depending on how this cycle goes. We’re not dealing with a system that’s steady state.
Kent
A second Trump term would be an epic disaster. But not because the right finally figures out how to control Trump. No one has yet figured out how to do it and he isn’t going to start being controllable at age 78.
He’s just as likely to appoint his golf caddy to some crucial administrative position as he is the pre-curated Heritage Foundation Yalie with the chops to actually be effective.
His one operating principle in appointments and the people he surrounds himself with will be unwavering loyalty to Trump. Not to conservatism, to Trump. Which will mean amoral suck-ups not competent people. I would expect a future Trump administration to be riddled with horrid un-confirmable cretins who are serving in acting roles just like before. And they will fuck up the works, just as before, but not really get the complete dismantling of the administrative state accomplished. Because Trump doesn’t actually give a shit about any of that.
At least that is what I tell myself.
Kent
They have already gotten most of what they want vis a vis the Supreme Court.
Eolirin
@wjca: I think the assumption that his cult followers are following him specifically, rather than seeing in him the best chance to get what they want is dangerous.
They’ll win elections if someone else comes along who they can use as effectively. We need people to recognize what’s going on at a deeper level than Trump is scary bad man. We need people to abandon the Republican party and its policy objectives in a way that’s durable and more than just a rejection of Trump. Otherwise, we’re just going to keep having the same fights over and over.
Quinerly
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Eolirin
@Kent: I don’t think Trump is as with it this time. I don’t think he’s as able to tell when someone is genuinely loyal and when they’re blowing smoke up his ass. So I think this doesn’t work the same way as it did the first time.
Dude’s dealing with some pretty serious cognitive decline.
SatanicPanic
@Chet Murthy: Murc is a smart guy, but that’s shaky logic. We don’t know what Republicans will be like, and it’s also quite possible they never get the trifecta in 16 years. We just don’t know.
Chet Murthy
@Quinerly: OK, I’ll back up to the biggest-picture level:
I think slagging on G&T b/c he expressed pessimism is bullshit, and so I expressed my support for his position. Period. That’s it.
That’s It.
As for your questions:
Again, back to the big picture: I think it’s pretty shitty to slag on G&T for his pessimism, and so I pushed back. That’s it.
West of the Rockies
@Eolirin:
Trump sounds wheezy, weak, and uncertain. The loser stink is obvious, and it’s no aphrodisiac.
Jackie
Sheesh, can’t we just CELEBRATE tonight?!?!!!
https://youtu.be/3GwjfUFyY6M?si=SVwkw1XB6y6OUYZy
SatanicPanic
@Eolirin: ahem.
I have been told it is irresponsible and wrong to diagnose cognitive decline from afar. That requires medical training and extensive in-person observation.
oh wait we’re talking about Trump, nevermind 😈
BR
Thinking about Harris’s speech some more. The word that I’d use is “presidential”. It wasn’t a generic soaring speech — not like what you’d see in a movie with a fictional president, or what Josh Shapiro would do emulating Obama.
scav
I think somebody at this just ended convention should have added an explicit line about the freedom to have whatever the hell individual mood we want to as we’re moving forward together.
Eolirin
@Eolirin: Since I’m out of the edit window, take for instance, the case of the EC, which is, at least right now, making things way closer than they should be on a consistent basis, and favors the Republicans.
Well, if PA, WI, MI and AZ all continue the trajectory they’re on, and every presidential year election looks more and more like 2022 in those states, if there’s no massive fall off in any currently solidly blue state, the EC suddenly no longer benefits Republicans, it makes it impossible for them to win the presidency. They already can’t win the popular vote. A trifecta is quite impossible without the White House. All four of those states currently have completely Democratic executive branches, Michigan has a Democratic trifecta, WI has new maps that may allow Democrats to take control of the state legislature, PA is very close to having a Democratic trifecta, and AZ’s GOP party apparatus is collapsing into infighting and bankruptcy.
It really doesn’t take much to make it so that we have a lock on the White House.
West of the Rockies
Fuckin’ A. This is why Balloon Juice can’t have nice things.
Eolirin
@SatanicPanic: Hey, I’m not saying he’s got some specific medical condition. ;p
Kent
Not so fast. The 2030 redistricting will likely take enough electoral college votes from the rust belt and solid blue states and give them to states like TX and FL that the blue wall will no longer be enough. After 2030, Dems will likely have to run the gamut of all 6 current swing states to eek out a win (PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) or at a minimum, win 5 of the 6.
Quinerly
The Hill reporting on Trump on Fox tonight.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4843455-trump-dismisses-harris-poll-gains/
mrmoshpotato
@rikyrah: I see. Thanks.
SatanicPanic
@Eolirin: I’m just being a pest, probably anyone inclined to take issue with my comment probably is already asleep. I’m too wired after that convention
Eolirin
@Kent: Given the issues with housing affordability in Florida, and the consequences of the infrastructure investments in the Midwest and its favorability in the face of climate change related problems, I’m not sure that’s true.
You can’t just extrapolate population trends out 6 years from current baselines either.
Quinerly
Trump calling into Fox tonight
https://youtu.be/LiLCMFvELME?si=dRBDC9GgCnvKb2AB
Maxim
@trnc:
She’s an introvert. People who encounter her one on one or with small groups find her warm, intelligent, even charismatic, but it doesn’t translate to a crowd.
JWR
From tonight, Trump really thinks Harris is the *actual* president. “Why doesn’t she do this, why doesn’t she do that?” Mainly because she is NOT THE PRESIDENT, you dumbass! (Youtube link)
Eolirin
@JWR: Also most of what she’s talking about doing requires acts of congress, and guess who holds the House of Representatives right now. :P
PJ
FWIW (which is absolutely nothing), I think we may see the end of the Republican Party soon. People can only lose for so long before they get a clue. If the GOP loses big enough this election, they will lose the House and not take the Senate. If this happens, you’ll see an end to the filibuster, which, in addition to leading to the enaction of a host of Democratic policies long overdue, will mean an expansion of the Supreme Court and the addition of DC, at least, as a state. This will be the end of the Republican projects to undo the New Deal and civil rights for the near future.
Obviously, the people who are Republican voters aren’t going anywhere, they’ll still be a problem, but I can see a realignment with the hardcore haters (Trump’s base) separating into small pustules of grievances, while the Chamber of Commerce/I-got-mine-fuck-you types coalesce into a larger one. That party will eventually get bigger by peeling off Jon Chait-type centrists from the Democrats, and within 8-12 years should be big enough to win national elections.
The longest sustained period of Democrats holding the White House (and Congress, mostly) in the 20th Century was from 1932 to 1952. Twenty years – let’s do it again.
ColoradoGuy
The reality-TV novelty factor that helped Trump in 2016 is now completely gone. His circus-barker act (and it is an act) is very stale.
His base are now the most radical religious extremists, a small group of authoritarian billionaires, and hostile nations engaging in hybrid warfare against the USA. It’s a different base than 2016, and I would guess more crazy but also much smaller.
The Democrats have greatly expanded their base with Kamala. Everyone, male or female, who opposes the fanatics on the Supreme Court. Everyone who recognizes the USA is an immigrant nation, and is proud of it. In addition to the traditional progressives, liberals, and centrists.
thylacine
Boy, I had to scroll past a bunch of, umm, stuff just to post that Harris totally nailed it tonight. She needed to show she could be a President and she did.
Kent
That was just two presidents though. And one of them was FDR.
charon
@Kent:
There is a stronger trend red trending towards blue in TX than anywhere else. The 18 to35 yo age cohort in TX already leans blue more strongly than the national average.
Going forward from 2032 onwards TX will be a blue state and the GOP will be locked out of the White House by the EC.
TX will be in play in 2028
And, BTW, TX is an outlier in how rapidly it is adding new young voters.
West of the Rockies
@ColoradoGuy:
Trump’s act is now like a boring teacher trying to make hip references to a (2024 class of college freshman) about Seinfeld and Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo.
Fair Economist
@Eolirin: It is WAY too early to feel confident about the “Blue Wall” in the future, especially when the margins in in WI have been so insanely narrow.
Fair Economist
@BR:
Just repeating this.
brklyWest
@Gin & Tonic:
I understand your concern. We have a lot of work to do. But let’s celebrate tonight and enjoy it. Let it propel us forward.
Gloria DryGarden
While watched tonight’s live, I glanced at comments. On the pbs stream.
I feel appalled and aghast at the sorts of flaming blaming bs comments, clearly Fox News watchers, calling everything Kamala says a lie, dissing Walz. Really hateful stuff. Unbelievable.
i want to get mean and call them a bunch of child-abusing cat haters. Which may be true in some cases. (Although child abuse statistically knows no class or group, it crosses all groups. horrors!)
scav
@brklyWest: Excuse me. You are also policing emotions and the open expression thereof. Care to equally police the free and open expression of how and who to love?
Gloria DryGarden
Speaking of creeps and hostile word-spewers, isn’t Tanya Chutkan’s case in D.C. Moving forward?
Anyone know anything about that?
prostratedragon
@Gloria DryGarden:
Remark from Ghandhi on the courage to love, quoted in response to bullying of the Walzes. These horrendous people are also cowards.
mrmoshpotato
Misread. Deleted.
prostratedragon
@Gloria DryGarden: It is. Something is scheduled for mid-Sept, either a filing or a preliminary hearing.
prostratedragon
@prostratedragon:
Roger Parloff:
Sister Golden Bear
We’ll get back to the fight tomorrow, but tonight I choose to celebrate. Tonight I choose to feel (cautious) optimism for the first time in a long, long time.
I can be optimistic and still expect this election will could well be a rock fight—and that we need to act as if it will be a rock fight. Better to be pleasantly surprised than being complacent now and bitterly disappointment.
Adam has said hope is not a strategy, but I think it’s more apt to say that hope alone isn’t a strategy. However, hope with a plan for/call to action is one.
I guess what I’m saying is that it’s not either/or. I, for one, can multitask.
The Audacity of Krope
I love the simplicity of characterizing Republicans as weird. It frees me to not get angry and just laugh.
The Audacity of Krope
And Kamala Harris is a godsend.
This deserved a separate comment. And its own line within.
dm
@Kent: dunno. There’s six more years of climate change between now and 2030.
….Looking forward to Vermont’s 10 electoral votes.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@dm: Six years is an eternity in representative politics.
Which is kind of a major part of the problem this country is facing.
Jay
@The Audacity of Krope:
Seconded.
Gloria DryGarden
@Sister Golden Bear: in Spanish, hope is also the same word as expectation, and waiting. As a verb anyway, it’s the same word, you conjugate it. The noun forms sort of differentiate. It blurs together a bit.
In English, hope seems like a state of expectant optimism. I’m thinking, let the hope and optimism of the dnc raise our spirits, and then from a higher vibe place inside, keep working to create the positive outcomes we want.
prostratedragon
An afterword from Michelle Obama:
prostratedragon
Not the Black Lodge.
TEL
I was feeling great after watching the dnc. Then I came here – I am so sorry I read the comments in this thread. If bj commenters can’t even agree that tonight was a good night and Kamala did great then why the hell bother being here at all. This isn’t a community, it’s a war zone where we’re far too busy fighting each other to even bother fighting for democrats and democracy.
raven
@TEL: This is nuthin!
Tony Jay
@TEL:
It can be annoying, but IMHO you’re misdiagnosing the problem there. Everyone seems more than happy with Kamala’s speech and the general fantasticness of the Convention as a whole, and are likewise fuelled up and ready to burn their tail feathers off getting her, Tim, a majority of Senators, Representatives, State and County candidates and even the odd dog-catcher or two elected in November.
There is an issue with the self-elected Monitors of Glee trying to turn threads into a one person-one vote managed democracy where acceptable ways to be a Good Democrat are concerned, but that’s a different problem that will fester on until it comes to a head in its own good time.
And at the end of the day, imagine how bad it feels to be a MAGAweirdo now. Now that’s a war-zone.
Geminid
@TEL: You are basically right on this point, I think. I just see the pessimism as an expression of PTSD from the years 2016-2020. That experience still haunts people.
Princess
@Jackie: Of course we can’t. We’re Democrats.
Ken
I once tried to come up with a SHAZAM-style acronym for Trump, based on the idea that he combined all the worst characteristics of the previous Republican presidents. Senility of Reagan, Cluelessness of GHW Bush, and so forth. Didn’t get anywhere with it.
Gloria DryGarden
@TEL: sometimes I refer to BJ as bickering jackals. Just hot air on the gerbil wheel.
I didn’t let it get to me tonight.
Eolirin
@Fair Economist: I don’t have confidence, but the assertion I’m responding to is that Republicans will definitely get the trifecta in the next 15 years, and there’s an entirely plausible path to that being impossible for them, depending on how things progress in those states. The trend right now in those places is continued improvement for us at the state level, which means less voter suppression.
If we lose this election, which we still might, there won’t be any more real elections. Things can go bad too. But the assertion I was responding to was based on the idea that things won’t change as time goes on, and they definitely will, and it isn’t remotely certain that it won’t be for the better.
JML
You’re throwing out NC, which should be swingy, especially by 2030. We don’t know where TX and FL will be in 6-8 years. And we don’t know if some of those states will stay swing states or become a new bastion. States can move quickly from being solid one way to solid the other way.
California was the most republican of states, for 40 years it was THE republican stronghold, and after Clinton won it in 1992 it hasn’t been any real consideration again. Texas used to be blue AF for president, and once it flipped in 1980 it hasn’t gone back.
Being certain of which states will and won’t be in the bag in 2032 or 2036 or 2040 is fantasy-land. And yes, if the map stays exactly the same as it is going into this election, it might be challenging…but if Texas or Florida flips the GOP have no path to victory. Demographics have been moving people south in recent years, but while that’s adding electoral votes to some states and away from the NE, it’s also adding people that want the policies the Democrats are promoting.
What if the battlegrounds are NC & GA? What if AZ isn’t a swing state any longer because people there are sick of GOP craziness and keep voting for Dems?
Goldman’s words about Hollywood apply to future-casting the electoral maps: Nobody Knows Anything.
(emphasis on KNOWS. we guess, we speculate, we doomcast, we hope…but we don’t fucking KNOW)
Uncle Cosmo
Let’s not miss the opportunity the calendar affords, as October approaches, of augmenting that simplicity with CREEPY.
The Rethuglican Party is America’s Creepshow – pass it on and pass on them (and piss on them while we’re at it).
Dave
@wjca: They are both afraid of him and also afraid that they won’t keep the low info schmucks that he activated in his first run.
LGM runs on a sort of just world idea in their hearts if not their minds so any optimism is the most foolish position one can take. I’ve known plenty of people like that and they are often wonderful people though they can be downers.
I have tendencies that way myself but it’s more trauma based which Chet’s seem to be as well just from how they wrote about the impact of 2016.
On the long view nothing lasts forever not the good and not the bad. It’s possible they will gain the trifecta and that things will becomes very bad but even if so that won’t be forever either (though the people harmed and the lost opportunities will never be able to be made whole) or they gain it and it destroys them or that we are really in the beginning of a sea change and this particular bunch will never gain it.
I don’t know but at the moment I’m optimistic and to those warning against complacency well I don’t see it 2016 was a sufficiently searing event that it will probably be at least one and probably two or more Presidential cycles before complacency becomes a real risk again.
Dave
@Eolirin: That’s beautifully said.
Yes we will always the fascist types with us but they tend to wax rapidly and then wane for a few generations.
Am I copacetic about things as they stand? No, Chet is correct that we are still in a window of significant risk but to your point the environment isn’t static.
Dave
@Eolirin: Or the political climate; six years is a very long time in politics. Where Florida or Texas are if there are new states, if we expand the house change the calculation regarding the EC.
Do any of these seem likely? Not really but a lot can happen and change in six years. Especially if there is a sea change that occurs. Things are the way they are until they aren’t.
The flip side to this is actions create counter reactions and unintended consequences and so on and so forth. Particularly as climate change continues to ramp up ten six to ten years from now might look not that different from today or it might look radically different.
Ruckus
@3Sice:
He would have had to have had brain function in the first place to have any left.
Ruckus
@piratedan:
This is to get us past the next three months and to kick the electoral hopes of DJT in the nads.
Steel toed shoes may become in short supply……
way2blue
Pink. Wow. I’m not familiar with her music—so surprised & appreciative. Thanks for posting that clip. (I only watched Kamala in realtime last night.)