Pelosi, asked at Tribfest what debate advice she has for Trump, replies, "You think he's going to show up?"
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) September 7, 2024
Harris campaign plans for aggressive outreach in swing states after Tuesday's debate with Trump https://t.co/LoKCl3Y7Wi
— The Associated Press (@AP) September 8, 2024
Per the Associated Press, you’ll need to keep up — “Harris campaign plans for aggressive outreach in swing states after Tuesday’s debate with Trump”:
… Her “New Way Forward” tour will include a new television spot, rallies, canvassing events and programs designed to target important voting groups, the campaign said Sunday, adding that the tour will culminate at the start of Hispanic Heritage Month on Sept. 15.
In a tight race against the former president, the Harris campaign sees itself as having the room to persuade voters before focusing more intently on turnout with the beginning of early voting before the Nov. 5 election. Trump has also stepped up his outreach with rallies and interviews in seemingly friendly forums.
The period after the debate in Philadelphia marks the start of the aggressive sprint toward the end of what has been a dramatic race.
“Our campaign will take the vice president’s message directly to the voters wherever they are -– on the airwaves, on the doors, and online,” said Michael Tyler, the campaign’s communications director. “With so much at stake in this election, we are blitzing the battlegrounds and leaving it all out on the field.”…
After the debate, political leaders on Wednesday are set to commemorate the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
Harris kicks off her tour Thursday in North Carolina and her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, will be in Michigan. On Friday, Harris will return to Pennsylvania while Walz is in Michigan and Wisconsin.
The candidates’ spouses will also be part of the tour. Doug Emhoff, Harris’ husband, will go to Nevada, Arizona and Florida. Gwen Walz is scheduled to be in Georgia, New Hampshire and Maine.
More details are to come.
Harris’ campaign will start running a new television ad that will speak to her plans for middle-class tax cuts, limiting prescription drug prices and addressing the housing shortage. The ads are part of a broader $370 million media investment and will be tailored state by state for voters in Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Nebraska…
There it is: @KamalaHarris just launched her policy page ahead of the debate. Good stuff, from her housing plan to affordable child care and lowering energy costs.
Can't wait for the media to move the goalposts once again for Harris' campaign. https://t.co/xLiW31aNzI pic.twitter.com/M5Goz3ApvM
— Mike Nellis (@MikeNellis) September 9, 2024
The other thing … Harris was basically expected to have a fully fleshed iron clad presidential platform within a month of Biden dropping out. She whipped this up mighty fast and I don’t think the MSM – numbed by Trump’s ramblings – is acknowledging how much effort that takes.
— Jamesetta Williams ?? (@jalexa1218) September 9, 2024
The Kamala Harris campaign ran this spot nationally on FOX this afternoon during #3 Texas at #10 Michigan —
Cost for a single 30-second spot: $425K pic.twitter.com/xTcDTVYObK
— Medium Buying (@MediumBuying) September 7, 2024
I live in DFW in Texas. The Democratic nominee for president is playing ads on TV. Biden never did that. Obama didn’t do it. Texas is in play. pic.twitter.com/Pp283KA4Vt
— Michelle (@LoneStarLeft) September 8, 2024
On The Road – Albatrossity – Photo Walkabout August 2024 – 1
Baud
National ads play in Texas too.
MoCaAce
I thought Texas had their own network television service running in parallel (but not connected) to the rest of the country… for efficiency!
Leto
The MSN doesn’t acknowledge how Trumpov can barely string together two sentences, let alone a cohesive paragraph/thought. You think they’re going to acknowledge a functioning adult’s policy page? Ha!
rusty
@MoCaAce: Paxton is suing cable providers to see which Texas households saw the ad and will soon be sending the police to “interview” them.
Kay
Oh, good. I think she still has room to grow because people polled seem to be saying they don’t know enough about her so hopefully she can remedy that. We just need her up one or two – they already adjusted polling samples years ago to allow for Trump overperforming – he’s not going to overperform.
Before anyone tells me they already know enough about Trump to pick Harris – I’M AWARE. It’s just that people refuse to do what we order them to do so we have to persuade them. It’s not our fault voters are fucking morons but it is our problem and we have to work the problem instead of insisting it should just go away.
I still think she should “flood the zone” with interviews because normies have no idea what we’re talking about with media bias but there’s still time.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@MoCaAce: which goes down whenever they livestream a large event.
Scout211
This is really great. I love to see both Doug and Gwen actively campaigning.
It begs the questions,
Where is Melania? Where is Usha?
If I was on social media, I would try to make those questions go viral, like the media did for most of VP Harris’s first three years in office.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
I’ve been trying to imagine what debate prep is like. How do you prepare for… that?
Mousebumples
Welp, I’ve got kiddos with a GI bug at home. Makes postcards and GOTV a bit more difficult when littles want snuggles for their owie tummies.
BRAT diet (*not Brat summer), electrolytes/hydration… Anything else I’m missing?
Hope others have a Monday that’s off to a healthier start.
Frankensteinbeck
I am pessimistic, or at least cautious about things like this debate. I predict Harris will be at her worst because of bad luck and how busy she’s been, but that will be fine. Trump will be at his best, like he was in the debate with Biden. Liberals will come out of it anxious and irritated that Trump got to lie freely, and because they didn’t get the curb stomping they imagined, but unlike Biden they aren’t prepped to panic. Like last time, the uncommitted will hear Trump unfiltered for the first time and go “Holy shit, that guy is Hitler, HE MUST BE STOPPED.”
Starfish
@Scout211: Usha introduced J. D. at the RNC. Melania occasionally plagiarizes a speech.
Starfish
@Mousebumples: Ooh. They have a GI bug, and you haven’t caught it (yet)? You are living a magical life.
Kay
For me, the comaprisons between how media treat Trump and how media treat Harris are a waste of time and we have so little time. It is true they give Trump special favors. But remember who it is you’re trying to reach and what you’re trying to do. Normies just don’t care about this. They don’t follow it and they’re not going to understand it. I think people on social media bringing it up to shitty political media stars is effective (working the refs) but it shouldn’t drive Harris’ strategy. IMO.
Put her out there. Everywhere. It takes away media celebrities power (Dana Bash, Maggie Haberman) when you DIVERSIFY and offer appearances to everyone. That makes them no longer exclusive and therfore less powerful. Talk to the CNN but also talk to US Today and The Today Show and The Toledo Blade and Black media and Latino media. Fucking flood. Dana Bash becomes MORE important when she gets one of the few interviews. Make her less important.
Geminid
@Frankensteinbeck: I am optimistic about viewership at least. It will be high.
I’ll be part of the listenership, on radio.
pabadger
Finally started post carding this weekend through Activate America. My household completed 30.
I also tried to figure out how to do texting for Harris/Walz. Was directed to a generic volunteer welcome event on Wednesday. I hope they’ll have the info I need.
Every little bit helps.
Still think we’re gonna win.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
Wait, Pelosi was actually asked what advice she would give to Trump, who sent a lynch mob into Capitol Hill with the intent to kill her?
Props to the former Speaker, her answer was a lot more diplomatic than the one I would have given (which would have involved a steak knife, a corkscrew, and IKEA-grade instructions on how TFG could use those two tools to successfully sodomize himself).
Mousebumples
@Starfish: eh, I’m lactose intolerant. So GI stuff is a way of life. 😅
Mousebumples
@pabadger: way to go! How do you like working with Activate America? I don’t have personal experience with them yet. 😊
Belafon
Didn’t the media get onto Hillary for having too detailed policy positions laid out?
Steve LaBonne
@Frankensteinbeck: You think she never had a belligerent hostile witness on the stand? She’s got this.
Kay
I hate to say it but I think we also have to give up on anyone in media “calling out” Trump’s lies. It’s been almost ten years. They have not gotten one bit better at covering him. I think it’s because they are rigidly conventional and brittle people who simply don’t have the capacity to adjust to changing conditions, but WHY doesn’t matter that much for our election. They are not going to help us and our candidates cannot spend every appearance pointing out GOP lies. We will never get the validation we are looking for, because media collapsed under Trump. They cannot do the job.
Instead we just have to say our part, over and over, and hope voters hear it. They will.
Steve LaBonne
@Belafon: We all know no Democrat can win this game. That’s why Harris pretty much ignores the mediots. She doesn’t need them to get her message out.
Percysowner
@Mousebumples:
My grandson had what we thought was a food reaction last week, but yesterday I had it and last night his mom came down with it as well, so I’m thinking it’s something going around. YUCK!
Butch
Journamalism is just not going to let go of this “tight race” horserace stuff…you look at new registrations (probably not being polled because the registrations are new), volunteers, donations, versus what Trump is doing, and you can’t tell me this race is tight. I’ve been reading about the problems with polling since I was working on Capitol Hill (which is some 30 years ago now) and I’m tired of treating every new poll as news.
The other thing is that in 2020 there were constant parades (just about every weekend) of side by sides driving down our country road bearing Trump flags. This year I’ve seen exactly one of these pathetic processions, and the Trump yard signs are pretty scarce. I don’t think the enthusiasm is there.
Betsy
I’m so glad I have been giving money to her, so these *damned expensive* ads can play everywhere they need to.
And then some!!
Kay
@Belafon:
They did. They said she was overprepared.
They’re horrible at their jobs and they’ve gotten not one bit better since 2016. They’re not resilient and they didn’t hold up. Give up on them. If they couldn’t adjust practices to deal competently with Donald Trump over the course of almost 10 years they’re just not capable of it. They don’t have the skill set or industry leadership to meet this challenge.
Betsy
I live in a horrible red area where people are ignorant, racist, and just plain stupid.
I’m so sick of encountering idiots.
The misogyny is so deep around here; even women hate women, becuase most women here are completely defined by their status in relation to some stupid man.
Even the smart people around here are kind of stupid.
Heaven help us, we must win.
Also, I need to move.
Matt McIrvin
@Butch: Aren’t the Republicans *also* getting a lot of new registrations? I mostly hear happy talk about our side but not about theirs
edit: from what I’ve been able to find, the Republicans are kicking our asses with new registrations in PA, but not in Arizona. So, mixed news.
Kay
Anyone can watch a Harris debate online. She debated Pence for example and was widely considered to have won that. Lopsided too, with viewers. It was 60-40 Harris.
TS
@Bruce K in ATH-GR:
They always ask democrats about what republicans think do and say. The media has no interest in anything else. MVP has by far the best answers – “same old” next question.
Marmot
Yes. This may be the first time in my adult life seeing national Dems give Texas any attention.
Our Electoral College problem exacerbates our political problems in one way I really hate: National Dems (in our case) don’t bother trying to influence anyone outside of swing states, so red states simply fester.
JPL
@Kay: True!
jackmac
Had a triple-play of vaccinations on Thursday (COVID-19, flu and shingles). I hurt everywhere the next day (especially arms where shots were administered plus back and legs which sometime bother me). But I was pretty much pain-free by Saturday morning.
Get the shots, but make sure your insurance covers them. Medicare took care of everything for me, but my 30-something son faced a $150 COVID vaccine charge. The dirty little secret of this round of COVID shots is that the feds aren’t fully covering them anymore.
H.E.Wolf
Electoral-Vote.com has a detailed answer.
(Note: On Mondays and Thursdays, the more pessimistic of the 2 bloggers writes the entries.)
https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2024/Items/Sep09-1.html
Starfish
@Betsy:
Internalized misogyny is everywhere, and I am pretty sure there were some women who were not going to vote for Hillary because they didn’t think she had a chance, so they made their prophecy self-fulfilling.
Ken
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: You’re thinking of Twitter streaming.
Steve LaBonne
@Matt McIrvin: From my cursory Googling I think you are seeing numbers from no later than July, largely before Biden dropped out (and even then the gap was nowhere near “kicking our asses” territory.) There is one story about a more recent surge among Black and young voters in the Philly area.
Marmot
@Kay:
It really is striking, the lengths standard news outlets will go to in order to avoid saying someone is lying, or is wrong, or is incoherent, or avoiding the question. Doubly so when that someone is Repub. The repercussions are so severe, you know!
Steve LaBonne
@Marmot: They ONLY have that “problem” with Democrats. They had no problem trashing Biden.
Matt McIrvin
@Steve LaBonne: Oh shit, you’re right. I was looking at a Newsweek story from mid-August but the data the story was using was *really old* at the time (despite the story identifying it as new data). Teaches me to trust them.
Ken
Part of it is getting someone to play the role of your debate opponent. If I remember correctly, Trump has Tulsi Gabbard pretending to be Harris, which doesn’t sound like a particularly good match to me. (I’m imagining “Oh President Trump sir, you are totally right as usual, and I simply cannot say anything to contradict you!”)
I haven’t heard who the Harris team has for their pseudo-Trump. Possibly that head of lettuce that outlasted Liz Truss — I know it’s been over a year, but the lettuce is probably still more coherent than whatever’s going on inside his head.
Kosh III
@Marmot: National Dems (in our case) don’t bother trying to influence anyone outside of swing states, so red states simply fester.
Welcome to Tennessee
Gretchen
I wish MVP would go on Hot Ones. He does well with prepared interviews while the guest eats increasingly hot wings. I think she’d be great on it and he gets a lot of views. The average episode gets 3 million views and the most popular with Gordon Ramsey got over 100 million.
Marmot
@Steve LaBonne: I sit corrected.
Gretchen
I’m hoping there will be security close to Harris. I’m thinking if she laughs at him he might lose it.
Starfish
@Ken:
Harris: I need someone to be a total jackass for debate prep.
Staffer: Sure, we will call up Rahm Emmanuel and see if he can help.
Shalimar
@Starfish: I think Usha learned from the RNC to continue with a very low profile, so the white supremacist Fuentes-followers forget about her. She is not a positive for the anti-immigrant campaign Trump is running.
Shalimar
@Ken: Has Gabbard been in the same state as Trump within the last month? I know they say she is their Harris, but I don’t think he is actually doing any prep.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin: Trust no one.
Steve LaBonne
@Shalimar: Incoherent ex tempore bullshit doesn’t need to be rehearsed, really it can’t be.
Baud
@Starfish:
Add to that the people who thought they could teach her a lesson because she was a shoe in, and Hello Fascism!
Marmot
@Kosh III: Yep. I’ve been through Tennessee in the last few years, and there’s no Dem promotional presence at all.
It’s like the Electoral College is protecting itself.
jonas
They simply can’t get it through their goddamn skulls that Trump is not a normal presidential candidate — he’s a megalomaniacal, cognitively impaired, convicted felon who wants to seize power, blow up the Constitution, and burn the country to the ground. He is, literally, a fucking supervillain and their take is to do a deep dive into yet another poll in Michigan that has him within one point of Harris, or wonder if Harris’s hair and fashion style will connect with female swing voters in key states.
Ken
@Shalimar: I was of course speaking in theoretical terms about any Trump debate prep. He knows everything already, you know, so there’s no point in doing the work that his campaign people keep talking about.
Steve LaBonne
@jonas: It is difficult to get a person to get something through their goddamned skull when their paycheck depends on not getting it through.
Marmot
@Marmot: Actually, the newspeople fret Dems to death. They won’t say “Biden is lying,” even if he is, and instead it’s “should Biden worry about how PA dipshits feel about inflation???” (When inflation is back to normal.)
Edit: Or “how can Biden ‘reach out’ to PA dipshits ‘on’ the economy?” You’d think the news should be doing that.
Alice
I was excited to see Tim Walz in Reno today but he’s had to cancel because of a wildfire pushing into town. Will work on Postcards instead.
The usual neighbors seem less aggressively Trumpy this year – yard signs but no flags. It makes my walks more pleasant, though I still gesture at each sign as I pass by.
TBone
@rusty: I wish that were funnier…I want to laugh (good eye is what I’m really saying – that’s so close to true).
BR
@Kay:
Well put. I agree with every single point you wrote.
The one thing I’m hoping for coming out of the debate is a clear message on who Trump “is”. I mean we all know but there’s a basic thing that folks need to be reminded about — that he sees the world through a personal lens. We all know that it’s all about him, but the dots need to be connected. Something like: “At a basic level Trump can’t own up to his mistakes, because he thinks he can do no wrong and only cares about what’s good for him. Trump inherited hundreds of millions from his dad, bankrupted most of his businesses, and yet stiffed the workers he owed along the way. Four years ago he gave a massive tax giveaway to rich people like himself, the middle class be damned. He thinks clean energy is bad not because he understands anything about it but because he hates seeing windmills from his personal golf course in Scotland. Everything is about him, and he can never admit he’s wrong.”
zhena gogolia
@Frankensteinbeck: I predict Harris will be fabulous.
2liberal
@Matt McIrvin: re: registrations
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pennsylvania-republicans-are-registering-more-new-voters-than-dems/ar-AA1pvIuk
Frankensteinbeck
@Starfish:
I know one who did vote for Hillary, but with great reluctance because she detested Hillary for not divorcing Bill when he was caught committing adultery.
TBone
@Betsy: hugs
Marmot
This is a classic of the genre:
For serious? This only serves to generate some dumb, meaningless verbal slapfight text. It’s for getting your sources to say bad things about an opponent so you as a newsperson don’t need to.
Steve LaBonne
@2liberal: Same July data I already mentioned, as the story says right in the first paragraph.
Betsy
@TBone: thank you.
Coming here gets me through some days when I just need to hear sense and not non-sense.
(And at least the nonsense here is liberal, lol)
TBone
@Steve LaBonne: I posted article about the current Pennsylvania surge in registrations twice yesterday. I like the numbers better than poling because the numbers are facts, not speculative bloviating that’s inherently biased.
NotMax
@zhena gogolia
Absolutely,
;)
TBone
@2liberal: Axios is lying.
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/politics/a-surge-of-black-women-and-young-people-registering-to-vote-in-pennsylvania-spells-trouble-for-trump/ar-AA1q8kx7
TBone
@Betsy: 💜 we’ll hold hands and get through this together!
Betsy
@Starfish: absolutely.
Women (like those around here) who have never had opportunity or were only taught they could be valued for the way they decorated the outside of their heads instead of the inside, these women often feel envy and misplaced hatred for women who did well and developed their minds and talents.
i’ve lived in two different stupid rural places in two widely separated states where I owned my home, and people couldn’t wrap their head around that fact.
They assumed I was a renter, even some left-leaning folks assumed I must be renting my nice house, and people would ask weird questions, like “oh who’s your ex-husband?” or “so you’re divorced?”
And I would say Uh, nope, nope, I’m completely single, never married, and they would say “well uhh .. wait, … how did you get the house?”
Butch
@TBone: AXIOS? Axios is lying? I must lie down….
TBone
@Betsy: I have been a victim of similar assumptions and so have friends who remained single. My female therapist once gave me the best advice ever, in a single sentence, when we spoke of politics right before the pandemic hit:
TBone
@Butch: 😆
frosty
@pabadger: I just got 50 addresses for CA47 from Activate America. I like that they give me a script. I don’t want to have to wing it.
I lived in Huntington Beach for awhile after college. I liked it and I’m going to try to make it less Trumpy.
jonas
@Steve LaBonne For a lot of the political press, it will always be that warm, sunny afternoon in 2008 when they were all together on that tire swing in McCain’s backyard and no amount of batshit insane fascism can disturb their beautiful minds.
Almost Retired
I am confident that MVP’s criminal prosecution background will serve her will in this context.
Most of my law practice involved representing plaintiffs in employment discrimination cases. The defense lawyers – usually BigLaw grads – came to the plaintiffs’ depositions meticulously prepared with binders and exhibit books, accompanied by second year law grads paid $180,000 a year to hand documents to the partner. They methodically slogged through their outlines without really listening to the answers.
Once I had a former prosecutor who jumped to the civil law side, an African American woman who had worked for the DA in Alameda County (Oakland) and King County (Seattle). She took the Plaintiff’s deposition. She had notes, of course, but she listened to the answers. Carefully. And followed up. And hammered on discrepancies, logical fallacies, factual improbabilities. And she only returned to her outline after exhausting her line of questioning on the subject at hand. It was devastating. I immediately settled the case and considered changing careers.
Hoping that DJT feels the same joy I felt that day….
lowtechcyclist
I’d have answered, “you know how after that other debate, y’all were saying how Biden was old and wasn’t up to being President and should step aside? Well, listen to Trump for five minutes (if it takes that long) tell me with a straight face that he’s up to running a McDonald’s, let alone the United States of America. So my advice to him would be the same as you folks gave to Biden: STEP ASIDE. And you should be telling him the same thing, because if it was true for Biden, it’s a hundred times as true for Trump.”
OId Man Shadow
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: You practice rolling your eyes a lot and making the crazy and the wanking gestures while pointing at your Trump stand-in as he speaks.
Then you open your replies with, “Well, that was a load of nonsensical horseshit, wasn’t it?”
BR
Also, if anyone needs a reminder of how good Kamala Harris can be in interview settings that reach normies where they are at, I’m reminded of her interview with Drew Barrymore from just a few months ago (but feels like a lifetime ago):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgXwr9Cpgn8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_XCKpxsp5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay7TKTVMKl4
Lacuna Synecdoche
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oldgold
In tomorrow night’s debate we know Trump is going to employ the gish gallop technique.
What is the best way to deal with this?
If you try to refute, you risk getting tangled in the mire.
If you ignore, the lies stand.
If you do some of both, the middle approach, you risk becoming a dead armadillo on a yellow line.
In a perfect world, the moderators would help rein in the gish galloping; but, of course, that will never happen in this world.
Baud
@zhena gogolia: 👍
TS
@TBone:
Always a must win for Harris – every state – never a must win for the weird old person.
Jackie
Is hell freezing over?!?
Jeffro
I’m sorry but I want the arsonist-in-chief arrested all over again, now, NOW.
Between his sickening attempts at voter intimidation this weekend and his call for a ‘bloody’ deportation of 20 million people* this weekend, I’ve had it. I don’t care if it riles up his base (narrator: they’re already riled up, they ALWAYS ARE). Just fucking arrest him and show him that the rest of us have rights too.
*speaking of that mind-boggling figure, which should be nothing but headline news for the next two months, here’s some exciting questions for our snooze media to put out there:
FUCK this guy. ARREST him already.
Steve LaBonne
@oldgold: Harris will allude very briefly to the idiocy of whatever word cloud Trump just spewed, then focus on making her own points crisply. She’s not there to try to level him, she’s there to introduce herself to the voters who are just starting to pay attention.
mrmoshpotato
@MoCaAce:
Have they winterized it? Bad things can happen to vital infrastructure that isn’t winterized.
Nelle
Yesterday, I left a note about doing GOTV in my neighborhood. While I appreciate those who thanked me for doing it, that wasn’t the point. So here’s the math. There is a 63% increase in registered Democrats in my small neighborhood since 2020 (from 75 to 122). In very red Iowa. That was the point. (I hurt from climbing steps without railings, but the guy doing the next neighborhood is older than me and he just had back surgery a little over a month ago. We old people are going to do this.)
CaseyL
@Jackie:
The FTFNYT does stuff like that the same way MSNBC allows Lawrence O’Donnell to rail against the MSM.
It’s a single gesture on a single day meant to give them credibility in the face of their complicity every other day of the week. Their remaining subscribers can point to that single editorial and think the NYT is reliable and honest.
It means nothing, without sustained, consistent, factual coverage that does not “sanewash” Trump. Which is not going to. happen.
mrmoshpotato
@lowtechcyclist:
Just 100 times as true?
TBone
@Nelle: 🤩🎯 especially us olds with icky lady parts!
Geminid
Yesterday Politico put up a pre-debate story titled, “Trump’s allies fear he’ll blow the debate— and his best chance to regain ground against Harris.” There’s nothing extraordinary, but the underlying message was that Republicans do in fact view this debate as a critical event and they’re worried.
Blog favorite Rep. Don Bacon gets a quote:
And this made me think of a Four Dollar-Store Horsemen of the Apocalypse:
I wish I was a decent artist. I’d draw a cartoon of those four careening across the landscape on horses and brandishing a broom, a toilet plunger, a mop and a bucket.
TBone
How many truth sandwiches can VP Harris make during ninety minutes? ALL OF THEM, KATIE!
RevRick
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: The debate will all about dominance display. Policy, schmolicy, hah!
You remember that famous picture of Nancy Pelosi standing across the table from a sitting, Trump, she lecturing him, and he looking like a scolded school boy?
That is the key to the debate.
Ksmiami
@oldgold: you just break the fourth wall. Tell the audience someone needs to get Grandpa his warm milk and speak to the American ppl… you can’t engage w the Orange mass.
Ksmiami
@Jeffro: I’m there with you. He deserves prison- in fact, I think the firing squad after the insurrection should have happened.
zhena gogolia
@CaseyL: My present mantra about everything is, “It’s better than nothing.”
Geminid
@RevRick: I think Harris’s main task is to project honesty and trustworthiness. Trump can’t.
TBone
@TS: as always ever thus. We go to Election Day with the press we have, not the press we wish we had. That’s why Kamala’s campaign methods of mostly ignoring the MSM and taking the fight directly to We the People are such an effective stroke of genius!
Chris T.
@MoCaAce:
No, you’re thinking of their separate reality.
BR
@Jackie:
Nah, NYT needs to issue these kinds of ed board statements every once in a while to “balance” their coverage of Dems. For every one of these they can run 100 stories that frame everything anti-Dem.
TBone
@Geminid: I think her main task is to not get pwned by anything that comes out of that anus-mouth, but to remain calm, cool, and collected the entire time, while making sure to mock him (undermine his confidence) as effectively as possible at every opportunity. She’s a prosecutor and her task has been well practiced over the years.
I hope she is coolly vicious.
Melancholy Jaques
@Geminid:
Kamala Harris’s only task is to act and look and sound like a president. Getting into a back & forth with Trump will not do that. Trying to respond to his lies will not do that.
These stupid shit shows are not debates, they are side by side comparisons.
narya
Just finished my first ten postcards for Tony Vargas (running against Bacon) in NE! I’ll drop them at the PO when I take my walk.
mali muso
@narya: Yay! I did 15 of them this weekend too and got them in the mail this morning.
TBone
Some pre-debate morale music 😍😎
https://youtu.be/1FUvF04vzPE
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@H.E.Wolf:
I still love the fact that at the top of the main Electoral Vote dot com page when they show the current projected electoral vote count, they use Hair Furor’s mug shot.
Baud
@Ksmiami:
“I’m here tonight because Americans made clear that they hate old people. Well, folks, my opponent is really old.”
Dorothy A. Winsor
@narya: @mali muso: I’m writing postcards for Wisconsin–just GOTV. But they’re part of a timed campaign, so I can’t mail them until Oct. 16. They’re piling up and looking pretty. :-)
karen marie
@Mousebumples: Ginger ale and toast.
TBone
@karen marie: and a Covid test.
zhena gogolia
@Baud: I would be so happy if she did that.
UncleEbeneezer
One more day of this bullshit heat. Gonna be 103 here today and then finally start moving back towards sanity (91) starting tomorrow. This has been the most miserable stretch of heat I can remember in 25 years living in Southern California. We’ve had our 105’s, 110’s and even a 114 here and there (114 record from 2020, now broken the other day) but usually it was only 2-4 days of extreme heat, not 7-9. To make matters worse I had to attend a CPR class yesterday evening in Pasadena, when it was 106 degrees andof course the A/C at the class was broken. Fortunately we were done in 90 minutes and it was very warm, but not crazy-hot in the space. Anyways, fuck global warming!
Kay
@Jackie:
Sorry- it’s an editorial. Not good enough.
People are asking the news division to do their jobs and stop rewriting Trump statements.
This is not even an ACT, what we’re asking for- they just have to stop replacing Trump’s words with the reporters words.
They ADD WORDS. Why do we have to tell this elite newspaper that adding words is bad?
JFC. Bring back the ink stained wretches with the high school diplomas. They did better quality work and they had some common sense.
TBone
More pre-debate morale music 💖🏆
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ooYExfw9lLY
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone 😊 😊 😊
Geminid
@Melancholy Jaques: Yeah, no back-and-forth. Harris can be dismissive but that will take up little time.
One thing I keep in mind: for many viewers this will be their first good look at Vice President Harris. Issues will count of course, but issues won’t count as much here as character, I think.
The campaign has plenty of other ways to pound the issues, but this is their chance to highlight the question of character. From the anecdotal evidence I see from disaffected Republicans and Independents, Trump’s character in its broadest sense is their biggest sticking point.
Baud
@rikyrah: Good morning.
Kay
No one in the billion dollar political media industry can figure out that the way to cover Donald Trump is just to quote him?
Just print his words. DON’T replace his words with the reporters or editors or owners words. Why is this so hard?
Remember when we used to call them stenographers? The quality is SO low now I would welcome stenography. Print the fucking transcript. It’ll be more informative than what they’re doing now.
Kent
Short answer?
You get someone really good to play Trump and study the kinds of things he is likely to vomit out during a debate. Then you practice responding and spend time with your staff crafting the best answers to whatever you think Trump will say or do. They no doubt have the best political minds working hard on how to best respond to every Trump utterance.
Probably also some brushing up on policy talking points. But that is the easiest part of it. If Harris doesn’t already have set talking points on every policy subject from Immigration to climate change then she is not doing her job as a candidate. It is about being disciplined and sticking to your talking points and not getting baited by questions, which I think she is very good at.
TBone
Here’s to you, tweeter and monkey man, may you rot in your self-imposed hell for eternity 🎶♾️
https://youtu.be/wcI1GKikLg4
Elizabelle
@Kay: Yup. MSM is “sanewashing” Trump. Sad!
Betsy
@Geminid: I love your idea! So creative! And so apt! That would make an awesome editorial cartoon.
Kay
Nate Silver
@NateSilver538
42m
Some of those stories don’t click well because, believe it or not, the audience isn’t interested only in stories that say Orange Man Bad, Don’t Worry Harris Will Win or Liberals Are Right About Everything. But there are other outlets you can go to if that’s what you want.
It is incredible how insufferable they have gotten. It’s all this self promoting, jeering nastiness.
Turning media into celebrities was a horrible idea. They’re all like this now. They talk about themselves and their stupid fucking industry CONSTANTLY.
Dana Bash interviewed Harris and Walz and then gave an interview about how much they suck. She’s what’s important here! “ME,ME,ME”
INSUFFERABLE people.
Of course, Nate Silver has another book so we all have to suffer thru his self promotion and think skinned nastiness. Don’t take a job in the public eye if you hate people, Nate! Go back to grifting off athletes.
Jackie
@RevRick: I still have that photo on a postcard on my refrigerator! I never tire of smiling and giving it a 👍🏻!
Kent
Actually it is possible for both articles to be correct.
are not mutually exclusive statements.
Harrison Wesley
@TBone: Just sandwiches? Hah! Wait until he counters with the world-famous Mar-a-Lago Diaper Roll!
Kay
Here’s a multi millionaire media personality sitting for an interview with another multi millionaire media personality ABOUT her work and their ridiculous, useless industry:
They’re completely up their own ass now. It’s a closed circle. Someone told these people they were more important than they people they “interview” and they really and truly need a manager to tell them that was a mistake. Letting them use their own judgment like they’re professionals is a disaster. It’s not a profession. It has no standards and no qualifications and no accountability mechanism. They shouldn’t be treated like professionals who can use discretion. They do shit work.
Jackie
@TBone: I know Harris has too much class, but I’d LOVE to see her laugh at him and tell him he’s WEIRD!
TBone
@Harrison Wesley: that’ll go over like a fart in a court room 😆
Man who farts in church sits in pew! 😎
Gawd I hope she remembers to rub some Vicks Vap-O-Rub under her nostrils!
TBone
@Jackie: I think she’ll use that word at least once. It’s a winner!
trollhattan
Remember Tina Fey’s Sarah Palin? She repeated things Sarah Palin said verbatim and the absurdity was laid bare for all to hear and see.
Seem to recall Shatner giving it a go, too.
Ah, the good old days.
Kay
@Elizabelle:
It’s not a real market. If it were a real market they all wouldn’t be following the NYTimes like lemmings. It’s not competitive in any real sense.
They’re also acting as a cartel in refusing to print the Trump campaign emails. Also not real competitive market behavior.
EVERY SINGLE US news agency and reporter went along with Trump’s wishes not to print those emails. No competitive incentive at all.
TBone
@Kent: I am actually aware that one article is outdated and the other is current. But Axios is frequently a piece of shit source, so…
*shrugs
Jackie
@TBone: So’s her laugh! Which TCFG HATES! Especially when she laughs AT HIM!🤭
Kay
If yu buy their books you’re just encouraging their shitty, petty, nasty behavior. They all have books now. Stop buying them. Don’t buy Maggie Haberman or Nate Silvers or Dana Bash’s next beach house for them. These people are multi millionaires and they do garbage work. Honestly, it’s patriotic and a defense of MERIT at this point to boycott whatever they’re selling.
Ocotillo
I saw yesterday on the CBS Sunday Morning show Ted Koppel (did you know he’s old) interviewing people at the Wisconsin State Fair and the latest angle from the Trumpers appears to be “I don’t like him but I am voting for him because things were so great when he was in office”
I believe they are lying realizing he is radioactive but they still love how he hates the right people to hate.
So much for voting for who you want to have a beer with.
TBone
@trollhattan: 💜
TBone
@Jackie: 🏆
Kay
Has a media personality like Dana Bash ever given an interview where she takes apart a Trump interview she conducted?
Or is this shitty self promotion tactic only used for Democrats?
Anoniminous
*sigh*
This shit again.
surge of Black women and young people registering to vote in Pennsylvania spells trouble for Trump
TBone
@Kay: that’s why I use a free library to read stuff if I’m interested. I’d much rather support the library system than those dumb fucks.
Kay
@Ocotillo:
Well, they were told over that the Trump economy was great and the Biden economy sucked. Over and over and over. Of course they believe it.
The economy will be exactly the same if Trump is elected and all of a sudden it will be covered as “great”. I guarantee it. Just like Presidential communications were no longer a national security concern once Trump was elected.
They were fed pro Trump propoganda for 4 years.
Anoniminous
(And might as well ….)
Again I say ….
Poll shows Kansans closely divided on constitutional amendment on abortion
“As things stand in the Co/efficient poll shared with FiveThirtyEight, 47% of the more than 1,500 voters sampled support the so-called “Value Them Both” amendment, and 43% are against it. The remaining 10% are undecided.”
The Abortion Vote In Kansas Looks Like It’s Going To Be Close
“On Aug. 2, Kansans will vote on a state constitutional amendment that would clarify that the state’s bill of rights does not protect Kansans’ right to an abortion. And even though the state leans Republican, new polling and fundraising numbers suggest it’s a close race.”
Kansas voters defeat abortion amendment in unexpected landslide
“Kansas voters in a landslide Tuesday defeated a constitutional amendment that would have stripped residents of abortion rights, defying polling and political observers who expected a close result.
The ballot measure was failing by a 60-40 margin late Tuesday after voters responded to an intense and costly campaign marked by dubious claims by amendment supporters and the unraveling of protections by the U.S. Supreme Court.”
Kay
@TBone:
If people would just not buy the books we could probably tame the celebrity media beast. They got much, much worse when they all started selling books. DO NOT BUY.
TBone
@Anoniminous: I’m not seeing the problem you have with reporting actual numbers – the opinions can be taken with a huge grain of salt but the numbers are a fact.
JWR
Something weird about the pre-debate network coverage is that Harris is always depicted as being hidden away, doing ultimate debate prep like some overprepared nerd girl, (meaning she’s askeard?), and Trump is cast as an easy going power guy who knows how to handle anything she might throw his way. I don’t know, but it seems to me that Our Media is somehow weighting this “debate” in Trump’s favor. We’ll see.
Also, and I know there’s been some back and forth over his methods, but if anyone’s interested, Allan Lichtman has a brand new prediction! (HINT: he chooses the gurl. ;)
TBone
@Kay: amen, sista!
I keep my library books overdue for a short while every time so I can “tithe” by way of late fees. Never more than a week but always giving some $.
Tony Jay
“Could Mister Off please come to the Reception Desk? Mister Off, could you please come to the Reception Desk? Your Fuck has arrived and is waiting in Short Stay Parking.”
Kay
@TBone:
There could be a huge spike in Black womens registration and Trumpists could still prevail in new registrations because for one thing Black women are only 7% of the electorate and white men are 35%. Non Hispanic white people are still 70% of the electorate and more than that in PA, WI and MI. In those states it’s 85%.
Jeffro
100%
Just like the Harris
RecessionGreat Depression will begin 5 minutes after she’s declared the winner. They won’t even wait for the Inauguration.Geminid
@Betsy: The cartoon’s audience would be a little niche though. Many people only vaguely know Gaetz, and even fewer know who Wiles, LaCivita and Miller are.
But this reminds me that all three of Trump’s top advisers are still on board the campaign. There were rumbles of dissatisfaction a month ago but now it looks like those three will be along for the duration.
Kay
@TBone:
I vote for library levies and I ran one once (we won) but I confess I don’t go anymore. I use the library app. But I’m glad it’s there.
JWR
@trollhattan:
Pew, pew pew! (Yes, I remember it well.)
zhena gogolia
@TBone: The day I buy a book by any of those people (or even borrow one from the library) will be a cold day in Hades.
TBone
@Kay: of course! But that surge is still a good thing and makes me happy.
I take every victory, no matter how miniscule, and celebrate it. These are the things that keep me going at it.
Anoniminous
@TBone:
The ACTUAL numbers tell us Democrats are kicking GOP’er ass in voter registration in Pa.
The daily hysteria over one silly article from July written by a half-wit is getting tiresome
TBone
@zhena gogolia: 👍
TBone
@Anoniminous: 💜 some of us Jackals are afraid that too much hope (confidence) will dampen and depress action (actual voting). I am obviously not of that opinion! I use hope to charge up my batteries.
I am sorry I forgot your stance, which you made clear just yesterday! Something about your nym gets me in my feels 😆
Kay
@Jeffro:
I went to a giant Trumpist wedding over the weekend – just crazy elaborate, ice scuptures and two bands and women my age in horrible jewel toned gowns with cutaway backs- but no one was having much fun. I did get to say to a Trumpist that Trump is too old and he had no comeback whatsoever. I guess that has never occurred to him.
Cheryl from Maryland
@Gretchen: I want Harris and Walz together on “Hot Ones.”
TBone
@Kay: oh, great field report! Did you wear your vintage outfit proudly and did you get to call anyone “Madame?” 😆
H.E.Wolf
The math is awe-inspiring!
As Bill Clinton said at the 2012 Democratic convention about how his administration achieved so many budget surpluses? “Arithmetic.”
I do the math on postcards, too. At my glacial pace, I’ve written 350 cards so far this year. If only 1 out of 10 recipients is persuaded to vote, that’s 35 votes in the Democratic column.
Add that to the impressive totals of narya and eclare and mali muso and CaseyL and Mousebumples and VFXLurker and Hungry Joe and Dorothy A. Winsor and MazeDancer and BlueGuitarist and I know I’m forgetting a host of others, and it starts to look like a movement. :) Might make a difference!
Kaye Ralene White-Hancock
@Cheryl from Maryland: Great Idea!!!
SW
Well if Trump is the President next year I predict that the state funeral is going to be the greatest funeral in the history of the republic.
wjca
And nothing persuades people like calling them “fucking morons.”
Quantum man
Here is my fear for the debate. Harris is human and does not perform up to the superhuman level some expect. She does not destroy him. Some will be disappointed she did not appear superhuman and destroy him; she will not live up to expectations. As a result a chorus of OMG, she is not the candidate we need will begin to percolate and spread. Almost certainly she will not live up to some folks idea of what “beats the snot out of him” is in their minds. I hope this does not lead to the kind of despair that occurred after the Biden debate.
zhena gogolia
@TBone: Yes, I get motivated by hope.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@Jackie:
FTFNYT uses an inverse of the model employed back in the day by the Wall Street Journal.
It used to be that WSJ gave room on the editorial & opinion pages to batshit insane right wing nuttery. But the news stores buried in the back were for business people making hard decisions with real money on what was going on with the economy and where it was likely to go next. So, those stories were relatively straight shooting – a little bit of right wing bias, but not so much as to lose touch with reality altogether.
The NYT is the reverse of that – they will toss out an editorial like this to preserved their supposedly liberal credentials – an editorial which will influence nobody – because “of course, what do you expect, it is the ultra-liberal NYT speaking”.
And then they will resume with their normal routine of being Fox News in pinstripes when it comes to the daily & weekly political coverage.
A nice little racket, if you can get it.
zhena gogolia
@Quantum man: I’m hopeful that won’t happen. It’s too late for that.
Ukai
@Kay: Dave Karpf has a loooong takedown of Nate Silver’s weighty tome here.
(You may remember Dave from when he called Bret Stephens a bedbug, causing Bret to absolutely lose his shit.)
jonas
@Jackie: Headline on the front page of the same paper today:
Because of course. FTFNYT.
UncleEbeneezer
Steve LaBonne
@Quantum man: As I already pointed out, Harris is not there to “destroy” Trump (Clinton leveled him and it didn’t make a damn bit of difference). She is there to look plausibly Presidential to people who feel they don’t really know her yet. She will do that job just fine. And the talking head spin doesn’t matter.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Ukai:
pretty much says it all. One grifter emulating another.
TBone
VP Harris comes out of the gate with four distinct advantages over Donvict’s confidence, which is why he is afeared:
– she is a female
– she is Black
– she is a former prosecutor
– she is literate
BLAM! He’s toast in his own mind when she holds her own 😆
TBone
@UncleEbeneezer: 🎯💜
SatanicPanic
@Steve LaBonne: I agree with this. In some ways I think fighting with Trump isn’t going to help anything.
Citizen Dave
@Ocotillo: I’m a regular Sunday Morning viewer but absolutely cannot stand Ted Koppel. His boring voice, boring manner, incessant both-sides-ing. I turned it off as soon as I saw him.
Re: Kamala being hidden away. How much more out and about can you be than be at Penzeys Spices. Yet another example of our failed media.
Kay
@Ukai:
Of course he absolutely lost his shit. They’re thin skinned prima donnas. Again- if you make hundreds of thousands of dollars in a public-facing job learn how to handle criticism.
Dana Bash should not be sitting for interviews that are ABOUT her interview of a Presidential candidate. Media celebrities do not get “equal time” with the candidates. That makes THEM the story and that’s bad. Giant fucking egos. ENORMOUS.
Kay
@wjca:
Well, not to their faces.
Citizen Alan
@Kay: I maintain that the worst thing to happen to journalism In this country was the growth in prominence of journalism schools, especially the elite ones. Journalism went from being a blue collar profession, where people started working as copy boys and worked their way up to being reporters and instead became an easy major for rich dilettantes whose parents paid their way through Columbia.
sdhays
I think we should bash them over this for the next 50 years. Maybe in 10 years, the people who replace the current crop of “journalists” will have internalized a bit of sensitivity to this type of criticism and they’ll be marginally better.
That’s a major component in how the right wing bashed the MSM into a defensive crouch.
Kay
@Citizen Alan:
I think I agree.
There must be a model for journalism re: fascist dictator wanna be. Someone must have done it right, in history. I understand that they can’t be pro Kamala but it’s been almost a decade and them just rigidly following what they’ve done re Trump is a huge failure. It’s their industry. Why can’t they put some real thought into it and try to find an approach that would be useful? They probably don’t have to invent it. What were the effective journalistic approaches with fascists in the other countries where this has happened?
Another Scott
@Gretchen:
Doug will probably be there…
Cheers,
Scott.
Kay
@sdhays:
We don’t have as many grifters as the Right. We have some, but they’re not as influential and there are fewer. I think working the refs is effective. I just don’t think the candidate should do it or make it a campaign strategy. We can parcel out these jobs. This part isn’t her job.
Citizen Alan
@wjca: Well, obviously we shouldn’t call the fucking morons that to their face! Use a little discretion!
The Audacity of Krope
I recently learned that even their choices of which stories to prioritize are poll-driven. So they write a story, that story becomes the conventional wisdom because of conglomeration, they poll the public on their opinion of that story and what are important stories going forward. No wonder all they’re hearing is themselves.
Public polling is one of the most abused sciences in today’s society.
Omnes Omnibus
Trump will be seen to exceed expectations and Harris will not. That’s the way it’s probably going to play in the media. It doesn’t matter. Do not buy into spin.
We can and will win if we all work at it and we don’t panic.
Shalimar
@Kay: I knew Nate in the 90s through rec.sports.baseball when he was a know-it-all teenager. He has always been insufferable, and even then he had fans because he was a stats guru in groups dominated by stats guys.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@Kay:
The writers & reporters at the Munich Post, in the 1920s and up until they were murdered in 1933.
Of course that last part is a bit of a hard sell to people looking to live a long & comfortable life.
Ron Rosenbaum in Explaining Hitler dedicated the 3rd chapter of his book to a detailed and moving account of their efforts. The Nazis called them “The Poison Kitchen” and they got under Hitler’s skin like nobody else did, back in that period.
wjca
And was Clinton’s “deplorables” comment made to their faces?
Marmot
@Kay: Oh my gawd it’s my hobby horse!
This is exactly what I rant about! They’ve discovered a niche of Dems and liberals who absolutely clamor for things to fret about. “Omg should Dems worry about the perception that inflation is still on the rise?”
The sunny, good-news stories don’t get as many clicks by nature.
CCL
@Citizen Alan: This.
Another Scott
@Jackie: Made me look…
FTFNYT from 8/12:
Emphasis added.
[ groucho-roll-eyes.gif ]
Maybe FTFNYT’s management and ownership are a little confused about the difference between news and opinion as well. Maybe!
“Our readers can’t tell the difference between news and opinion, therefore we will only explicitly endorse presidential candidates (of course our endorsements have no relationship at all to our news coverage) and keep muddying the waters and both-sidesing on all other races…”
🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡
Grr…,
Scott.
jonas
I agree. Trump’s “debate” style — if you can call it that — is basically a Gish Gallop of bullshit and lies that will tie you up in knots if you try to respond to all of it at once. Simply say “Virtually everything he just said was just wrong.” Pick the stupidest/weakest/most outlandish claim and demolish that as an example, then state the alternative she and Walz represent, and try to project calm, normal leadership. I think she’s got this.
Barbara
@Marmot: Well they have misjudged me badly. I have so little trust for the political coverage of any MSM sites that I have stopped reading altogether. I am not Pollyanna who can’t deal with bad news, I just don’t trust that they are neutral or — and this is what really burns — that their opinion about these things is more informed than mine. I have no fucking clue where they get their “conclusions” from but most of it seems to be pulled out of their ass. It’s a big fat fucking waste of my time to read it.
Barbara
@Another Scott: It’s not news or opinion when it’s all basically just made up for some hypothetical reader no one has ever met. Even an opinion is supposed to be informed by something.
Kent
They could also both be simultaneously true. Registrations of Black women could be up 100% or 200% while at the same time, overall registrations of Republicans are outpacing Democrats. Because the rate at which young Black women are registering says nothing about the rate at which Republicans are registering.
Look, I’m a Democrat and want Harris to win. But I’m also not grasping on every news story as a sign of anything in particular. I think this is going to be a razor thin election like the past couple because that is the country we currently live in.
I also think all the negative stuff about Trump misses why most MAGA people vote for him. They aren’t Trump voters because they think he is some sort of genius political leader. Or even sane. They vote for him simply because that he how they wield political power over the libs. They could give a shit about how senile or unhinged he is. And more news to that effect isn’t going to change their votes. Because voting for Trump is a means to an end, not the end itself
This election won’t be won by flipping Trump voters because that isn’t going to happen, at least not very much. It will be won on the margins by getting disengaged and frankly clueless swing voters to flip for Harris.
Baud
@Marmot:
Niche?
Belafon
@Omnes Omnibus:
I would argue that we let Wonkette and DougJ watch the debate and we all watch them discuss it. Political junkies on the left are the last people that should be watching it.
zhena gogolia
@Barbara: I know. It’s really hurt my score on the NYT Friday News Quiz, but I don’t care!
The Audacity of Krope
My media boycott includes debates; especially debates, in fact.
Marmot
@Baud: Well yeah, there’s me n’ Omnes, I guess. The rest of y’all are a niche.
The Audacity of Krope
If the New York Times actually publishes anything of value, you will be able to find it elsewhere.
PAM Dirac
@Anoniminous:
I guess it depends on your baseline. The total registrations since 2020 don’t look so great. The pre-2024 numbers come from here and the 2024 to date numbers come from this page.
2020 D 4183292 R 3517090 Ot 1303722 D+666202
2022 D 3957613 R 3450718 Ot 1292495 D+506895
2024 D 3916743 R 3568954 Ot 1394053 D+347789
Also as of 9/9/2024 changes in registration are
to D 46084 to R 72829 net D change -26745
trends since July might be better and obviously you never see 100% turnout, but as Kay says, it always useful to look at total numbers and be cautious of percentages.
trollhattan
@PAM Dirac:
How does Pennsylvania population divvy up between Pittsburgh-Philly and Pennsyltucky?
PAM Dirac
@trollhattan: The sources include data by county but I’m no where near familiar enough with PA geography to make any useful summary along those lines.
Kent
No, the actual numbers do not tell us anything of the sort. News articles which provide this sort of information:
Tell us exactly NOTHING about how many Republicans are also getting registered. Or what TOTAL Democratic registrations look like compared to TOTAL Republican registrations.
Geminid
The New Mexico 2nd CD has swung back and forth since 2018, and 40 year-old Democrat Gabe Vasquez holds it now. A week ago Albequerque’s KOAT-TV reported on a poll showing Vasquez leading former Rep. Yvette Herrell by 9 points. Vaquez beat Harrell by less than 1%.
This is Herrell’s fourth Congressional race. She lost to Xochitl Torres-Small in 2018, then won a rematch in 2020. I suspect Herrell won’t run a fifth time, and she’ll return to petroleum industry lobbying with a .250 batting average in politics.
Democrats control the statehouse, and after the 2020 Census they used their redistricting power to good advantage. Some more Republican counties in the southeast of the state were shifted into the district to the north. A counter-clockwise shift ended with districts in south Alberquerque pushed into the 2nd. One effect: the percentage of voting age Hispanics rose from 51 to 56%.
The same poll showed Vice President Harris leading Trump by 10% in New Mexico.
trollhattan
@PAM Dirac: From three times zones away I know bupkus, just that it contains Gettysburg and is kind of rectangular.
TBone
@Kent: I live in Pennsylvania. I read the Philadelphia Inquirer and the Delaware County Daily Times, as well as my now-local (Union County) Daily Item and frequent emails from Spotlight PA and other PA-centered news sites. If there were a surge in Rethuglican registration here in the Commonwealth, I’m pretty sure one of these sources would be reporting it. But, as always, I could be wrong!
(I also get emails from my rethuglican rep who always takes credit from Biden projects and passes it off as his own…)
JustRuss
@Butch: I was a journalism major many eons ago. Nothing got the “serious” types juiced like election night. They love the horse race.
TBone
Courtesy of Spotlight PA News roundup, the outrage continues (why isn’t this story a big deal?)
https://whyy.org/articles/temple-juntos-moshannon-valley-processing-center-immigrants-conditions-pennsylvania/
JustRuss
@Another Scott: Actually, I’m glad FTFNYT isn’t giving endorsements anymore. They endorsed Hillary in 2016, while their coverage was non-stop clouds-and-shadows-but-her-emails. So the endorsement let conservatives label them as Liberal, even though their coverage was all-in for Trump.
Don’t tell me who you are, show me. And boy has the Times been showing us.
Jackie
@Kent: Also… What percentage of Pennsylvanians are Black? Shouldn’t that data be part of the equation?
We’re not discussing a southern state, after all.🤷🏼♀️
TBone
@Jackie: we call it Pennsyltucky for good reason.
That is the area between Philly and Pittsburgh, where I now reside.
I’ve seen many more people of color here over the last ten years. I’ve been coming up to this area from the Philly suburbs for forty+ years. Never have I seen as many of color, and even my hoity toity suburb is integrating! I used to see exactly NONE.
JWR
@Jackie:
According to the Google:
I’ll leave the breakdown by voting age to others. ETA Fixed.
pabadger
@Mousebumples: It was very easy to get addresses and instructions. I liked that I could choose which state to work in (I live in PA) and that they were all swing states.
Yutsano
Nominated!
pabadger
@Starfish: it’s Philip Reines I think?
pabadger
@frosty: woohoo!
One thing my household noticed is they all felt better after doing 10 postcards…dare I even say empowered!
pabadger
@narya: yes! Every little bit helps.
pabadger
@mali muso: yay! One card at a time!
Msb
@Kay: great points; all the MSM will do is raise ne hurdles for MVP to hop over. Going around them is a great idea.
pabadger
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Must look nice. Thank you! (I grew up in WI)
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Citizen Alan:
Just for the helluva it, I plowed thru CNN’s lineup:
https://www.cnn.com/profiles/faces-of-cnn
to see what their edumacational bona fides are.
Acosta: BA JMU, Mass Communications, minor Poly Sci
Amanpour: BA Rhode Island, Journalism
Anderson: MA ASU, Mass Comms
Asher: MA Columbia, Journalism
Axelrod: BA Chicago, Poly Sci
Bash: BA GWU, Political Communications
Berman: BA Harvard, Social Studies
Blackwell: BA Howard, Broadcast Journalism
Blitzer: MA Johns Hopkins, International Relations
Bolduan: BA GWU, Journalism, minor Poly Sci
Brown: BA UNC, Broadcast Journalism (I didn’t know that Phyllis George was her mother)
Burnett: BA Williams College, Political Economy
Camerota: BA AU, Broadcast Journalism
Church: BA Univ of Canberra, no major given
Coates: BA Princeton School of Public and International Affairs; JD Minnesota Law School
Collins: BA Alabama, Journalism & Poly Sci
Cooper: BA Yale, Poly Sci
Cornish: BA Univ of Mass-Amherst, Journalism
Davies: BA St Edmund Hall, Oxford, Geography
Foster: MA Highbury College, Portsmouth, Broadcast Journalism
Freeman: BA Dartmouth, Government, minor Theater
Golodryga: BA Texas, Russian/East European Studies, minor Econ
Hill: BA Boston Univ, Journalism
Hunt: BA GWU, International Affairs; MA St John’s College, Cambridge, Sociology
Holmes: Not college degree. Starting working at the Daily News in Perth when he was 17.
Jones: BA UT Martin, Communications & Poly Sci
Keilar: BA Cal Berkeley, Mass Communications & Psychology
Kinkade: BA Univ of Technology Sydney, no major given
Okay, I gave up at that point, there’s still 25 more people listed but you get the point. One thing that jumps out in those bios is that almost all of them came from privileged backgrounds, went to private prep schools etc. Not all but most.
trollhattan
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
Pretty high-falutin’ bunch of degrees for the most part.
prostratedragon
Gotta say, this upcoming Atlantic cover is cherce.
Msb
@oldgold: Mehdi Hassan said you pick out one lie from the flow, disprove it and use it to taint all the others. Never tried to do it myself.
Spc123
@Kent: yeah, it is all about turnout and the ground game (reg and voting day). Trump won in 2016 but activating infrequent or nonvoters.
trollhattan
@prostratedragon: McNaughton eat your heart out.
Good stuff, that.
Geminid
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: Israeli journalist Noga Tarnopolsky probably isn’t on that list because she only occasionally appears to talk about Israeli politics. I follow her on Twitter and I was interested to see recently that she is an Amherst grad
Ed. Another Israeli I follow, author and former Knesset member Einat Wilf, did her undergraduate work at Harvard. Wilf’s indicated that she went to work for the Mossad intelligence agency after graduation.
Msb
@RevRick: bingo, bingo, bingo! This is a dominance game.
love that photo, with Nancy Smash saying, “With you all roads lead to Russia.” Another favorite bit of that picture is Mark Miley, with bowed head, plainly dying of shame.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Geminid:
I just quickly clicked thru the other 25 people and sure enough, the majority have similar majors and backgrounds as the ones I listed.
JaySinWA
I don’t get it. Rawstory uses the term reissued, and links to the July 11 editorial with that July 11 date stamp in the URL. I can’t find any reference to it on todays nytimes website. Is it in the print edition? Was it pulled back?
Kay
Incapable of telling the truth.
The only people in the world who believe this are those few remaining people who still believe the Biden White House on Gaza.
JWR
@prostratedragon:
Wow! Talk about cherce! That’s awesome.
Scout211
Here is the web archive version.
Geminid
@Geminid: Einat Wilf’s Wikipedia biography says nothing about Mossad service. I got that from a post on her Twitter account. Wikipedia does say Wilf served 3 years in the IDF’s Unit 8200 before attending Harvard. That’s Israel’s equivalent to our NSA.
Axios reporter Barak Ravid also did his military service in Unit 8200, before entering a career in Israeli journalism.
Wilf acts more as an academic than as a journalist. She argues more general issues concerning Israel’s place in the region and avoids the current political wrangling. That could be because she intends to sit in the next Knesset. Several parties might recruit Wilf for their slates when the next election is called.
TBone
@Yutsano: 💙 I truncated (for effect) the sentence she uttered on my way out her door that day:
TBone
The Philadelphia Inquirer is running a series about PA political outlook. Today’s entry:
https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/harrisburg-suburbs-voting-trends-2024-election-trump-harris-20240909.html
Citizen Alan
@Betsy: I’ll say it again. Conservatives are the worst, but conservative women are the worst of the worst. Vengeful people who regret most of their life choices and resent anyone who makes a different one and is happy as a result. They think men are naturally superior to women and that they should be rewarded for their self-subjugation because that makes them “better women” than those who fight to aspire to be equal to if not better than a man. And they will burn the nation to the ground out of their anger and bitterness that they were not born a man themselves and therefore a natural master of the universe.
trollhattan
Say it ain’t so, New York.
Jackie
@JaySinWA: I didn’t catch reissued!
I have no clue 🤷🏼♀️
Ksmiami
@trollhattan: and no math in sight…
Ksmiami
@Kay: Hamas brought this all on themselves. I feel sorry for bystanders and I hate Netanyahu, but Hamas is the worst. I’d caution against rooting for them.
JWR
A good, 12 minute clip from MSNBC via Youtube:
TBone
@Citizen Alan: I have a saying I made up after moving to red country:
Nothing is worse than a resentful redneck.
I stand by my prejudice in this regard. I truly love some of the redneck people in my life, but the resentful ones are the worst.
TBone
@JWR: even more fuel for that fire:
https://x.com/RealDLHughley/status/1832352501904920846
(Click on photo to play the video)
Kent
@TBone: Look. I live in WA and I have no idea what is happening with voter registration in PA.
I’m simply making the very obvious point that an article about the rise in young Black women registering doesn’t actually tell us anything about which party is winning overall voter registration in PA.
There is a lot of wishcasting here on this site. This is going to be a razor thin election just like the last two. There is nothing that tells us otherwise.
Ken
@TBone: More UNFAIR liberal ATTACKS on PRESIDENT Donald Trump, using the SNEAKY and NASTY trick of quoting him.
Citizen Alan
@Barbara: I wish there was a requirement that any time a political journalist appears giving news and/or opinion, the chyron below them would give their name, their annual salary, and their net worth.
Like this:
Let’s see how that affects their appearance of impartiality.
TBone
@Ken: 😆🎯
TBone
@Kent: it’s all good my dude! I happen to “see” indicators literally all over the place, but only have my female intuition and anecdotal evidence (besides my wide-ranging reading tastes and items such as comment #243). I believe in hope and joy and therefore do everything I can to promote their spread.
UncleEbeneezer
Dana Houle on Twitter:
...now I try to be amused
@Citizen Alan:
The most bitterly regretful conservatives are the ones who let others make their major life choices for them. I’ll bet there is a lot of envy mixed with the bitterness.
At its core, social conservatism is about coercion. Force the square pegs into round holes so everyone can be as miserable as they are. Every nonconformist living a happy life they chose for themselves is a little Ukraine the little Putins want to subjugate because they hate — and fear — the example they set.
Belafon
@Ksmiami: My theory is that the White House left off the words “this week.”
Baud
@UncleEbeneezer:
That one seems even more unthinkable than the black vote one.
JWR
@TBone:
I’ve really warmed to Alex Wagner since I’m now seeing her solo gigs, and not those with the two other guys. She was excellent on Colbert the other night. But TY! That was really good.
Baud
Via reddit
We are all Balloon Juice now.
JaySinWA
@Baud: Time to bring back the “Trump, that boy don’t act right” sign.
ETA to fix the quote.
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/fort-worth/article206942739.html
Ksmiami
@Citizen Alan: pikers…
Scout211
@Baud: Rex Huppke’s opinion pieces on USA Today are always great. He definitely could be a front pager here, for sure. I’ve posted links and excepts here of his opinion pieces many times. He has all the good words when describing Trump.
2liberal
@Steve LaBonne @tbone thanks for the updates, I’m not great on details sometimes
Geminid
@Ksmiami: I ran into a John Kenneth Galbreath quotation yesterday:
Manyakitty
@Jeffro: inject this in my veins. Righteous.
TBone
@Baud: 💙😎
TBone
@JaySinWA: I love that guy!
Princess
@UncleEbeneezer: I think Dana Houle is great but I also think he’s using wishful thinking here. I think enough Black men could be going for Trump and enough leftish 18-29 year old could be sitting it out because of Gaza that the Siena poll could be spot on. That’s based on what I’m hearing from people I know. I think that poll, with its margin of error, is where the race is now.
And you never want to be the next digging into the cross-tabs to unskew the polls. That side is always the losing side. Let’s not do that.
UncleEbeneezer
@Baud: Only 12% of Black Men voted for Trump in 2020 according to the Pew Verified Voter Poll (the gold standard of polls). The idea that that would double for 2024 (which it would pretty much have to since Trump is definitely not picking up those votes from Black Women) is laughable.
zhena gogolia
@Princess: Does “sitting it out” mean voting for Trump, in your opinion?
gwangung
@Princess: Hm yes….but there should be other concurrent indicators in order for that to pass the sniff test. E.g., in the younger co-hort, I don’t buy that Gaza is that salient for the overall nation (I’m not sure it’s that salient outside of Arab American communities).
The results of a poll are the results…but the cross tabs are not making a good case for generalizability.
Princess
@zhena gogolia: “Sitting it out” means the ones who would be inclined to be our voters don’t answer polls, or choose third party candidates, meaning that more young Trump voters get counted.
Princess
@gwangung: If you don’t think Gaza is salient, you’re not talking to enough young potential voters. Believe me, it’s affecting the youth vote.
Do I think they’re fools? Yes. But it is what it is.
Baud
@UncleEbeneezer: The change in the youth vote would be even more drastic.
UncleEbeneezer
@Princess: Where exactly, are you hearing this about Black Male voters? People have been pushing this racist myth that Black Voters (specifically men) are eager to go for Trump and yet here are Pew’s verified numbers of Black voters:
2016: Clinton 91%, Trump 6%
2020: Biden 92%, Trump 8%
Both years I remember pearl-clutching about how Black Men were gonna go Trump-curious to the point of sabotaging the Dem candidate’s chances. Didn’t happen either time.
And I highly doubt enough young, Black Men, care so much about Gaza that they are going to sit out this election, en masse. Polls have shown that even among young voters (even PoC) Gaza isn’t even in the top 5-10 of their biggest ranked issues/concerns.
I repeat, the idea that Harris will go from 91-2% of the Black Vote, to only 75% is laughable.
UncleEbeneezer
@Baud: You’re right. I misread what you wrote. But I see both scenarios as equally ridiculous. The idea that Hillary gets 91% of Black Voters, Biden gets 92% but Harris only gets 75%…absurd.
BritinChicago
@Matt McIrvin: “the Republicans are kicking our asses with new registrations in PA, but not in Arizona. So, mixed news”
Looking at the number of EC votes in the two states, that seems to me worse than mixed. If she loses PA but wins AZ then she needs at least one other toss-up state.
PatD
@Ksmiami: Hold up, why would you throw out a slur that disagreeing with the Biden administration on their spin over what’s actually holding up a ceasefire deal is “rooting for Hamas”? That’s way over the line. Stop it.
Princess
@UncleEbeneezer: I’m hearing it from a Black woman activist whom I know personally. She’s really concerned.
And in the 2020 primary, the loudest voices against Harris on my corner of twitter were Black men.
Ksmiami
@PatD: Kay has been bending over backwards for months wrt the Palestinians without any acknowledgement that Hamas did this.
Ksmiami
@Geminid: but it’s also stupid and small. Wealth in America doesn’t have to be a zero sum game. In fact, with a growing middle class, and shared prosperity, even the billionaires get richer
Ksmiami
@Princess: then I guess they’ll be better off when Trump throws a lot of them in jail… because that’s what he thinks of black men
Kayla Rudbek