We’re running this ad on Fox News this morning for no particular reason pic.twitter.com/3F77xxAiDG
— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) September 10, 2024
Man, I dunno if she’s gonna win or lose but finally someone is standing up to this fuck to his face and hitting him right back.
Yes it was great to have Joe laugh at him and tell him to shut up.
But she’s going for the jugular. And I’m here for it. https://t.co/4RvMPp1zbp
— LadyGrey ???????????? (@TWLadyGrey) September 10, 2024
Say Middle Class Working Families a lot, Kamala. https://t.co/qE1fBd8RIK
— Clean Observer (@Hammbear2024) September 10, 2024
From the Philadelphia Inquirer, “If debate moderators want to hold Trump accountable, they need to ask him these questions”:
… Harris’ every response and clothing choice will be hyper-analyzed as she is pressed on a wide variety of issues, including crime, taxes, immigration, and abortion. But parsing Harris’ policy positions and pantsuit preferences seems trivial given her opponent lacks the character, temperament, and fitness to be president.
That’s why the biggest challenge on Tuesday falls to the debate moderators at ABC News, and subsequently the media at large. Will ABC’s Linsey Davis and David Muir press Trump to give substantive responses to their questions?…
This is not a comprehensive list, but here are questions the debate moderators and political reporters should ask Trump to help voters make their decision:
Federal investigators received classified intelligence that suggested the president of Egypt gave you a $10 million “cash bribe,” but your attorney general blocked the probe, according to the Washington Post. Democrats on the House Oversight Committee last week asked you to provide the funding source of a $10 million donation you gave your campaign around the same time and how it was repaid. Will you make that documentation public? You have flip-flopped your position on abortion over the years, including saying you were “very pro-choice” and later claiming women who get abortions should be punished. Last month, you gave two different answers within 24 hours regarding Florida’s six-week abortion ban. Can you clarify your position and whether you support a national abortion ban?
You called for prosecuting President Joe Biden, executing your former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley, and jailing former Rep. Liz Cheney. If elected, will you follow through on any of these threats or go after other political enemies?… During your first term, you left the country the most divided since the Civil War. Do you have any specific plans to unite the nation? You never take responsibility. Any time you get investigated, indicted, impeached, convicted, accused of sexual harassment, or faced a civil judgment, you claim it is fake news, a hoax, or blame someone else. Have you ever owned up to a mistake or apologized for a failure?…
My concrete prediction for the debate tomorrow is that Harris is going to successfully goad Trump into losing it and saying something truly unhinged https://t.co/yobKeLZxXF
— vituperativeerb (@vituperativeerb) September 10, 2024
Does that include the ones in your shoes? pic.twitter.com/6RRll5YV6j
— Patrick (@QuadCityPat) September 7, 2024
I would genuinely love it if pre-debate they had to have a public neutral height check with bare feet because Trump claims to be 6’3” and I’m sorry but there’s no fucking way in the world.
— The Fig Economy (@figgityfigs.bsky.social) Sep 7, 2024 at 12:52 PM
Baud
I think Trump getting schooled by a short lady would actually be more impressive. But that’s just me.
cain
Harris bringing in
Anthony Scaramucci, and national security official Olivia Troye is some next level shit.
Fucking superb. She’s playing mind games with that asshole. This reminds me of the scene from “A Few Good Men” where Tom Cruise brings airman o’malley and airman rodriguez into court just to fuck with Jack Napier.
Trump cannot stand disloyalty. Their presence is going to fucking throw him into a loop. he’s going to fucking lose it.
Old Dan and Little Ann
Obama’s voice makes me happy.
zhena gogolia
I predict: Harris will be excellent.
Trump will not lose it.
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
Concur.
Mousebumples
Happy Tuesday, and gooo Kamala!
I’m not planning to watch live, but I’ll probably follow threads and live blogs. Though if any of the talking heads try to nitpick my MVP, I’ll be ignoring them.
I will be postcarding, though! And planning on a $20.24 donation at some point during or shortly after the debate, even though I’ll have to re unsubscribe from everything.
SatanicPanic
@zhena gogolia: I think this is correct.
SpaceUnit
I’m not sure if I’m going to watch it or not.
Guess I need to see what I’ve got in the liquor cabinet.
H.E.Wolf
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXqwDlWYAAyOS7?format=jpg&name=small
Baud
@H.E.Wolf:
I thought she was great. Although I think the angle of that shot accentuates the height difference.
dm
@zhena gogolia:
But say something unhinged? Strong possibility of that.
zhena gogolia
@dm: That won’t make any difference. He said a thousand unhinged things in the debate with Biden. No one noticed.
Just in that first segment, he said that democrats kill babies. No one noticed or cared.
WaterGirl
@cain:
Where did you see that?
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
Concur again.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
I saw it here so it must be true.
SpaceUnit
She should call him a Russian puppet. About a dozen times. And then hold up one of those classified document folders and claim she has proof.
It sent him off the rails in 2016.
piratedan
yeah, I fully expect Trump will recreate his Gish Galloping performance from the Biden debate and the media will do nothing, no follow ups, no fact checks.
I anticipate that Harris will do well, but will be criticized for not decpatitating Trump in a hitherto unexpressed preferred manner.
SatanicPanic
Will he mention Hannibal Lector?
Electric boats?
Sharks?
Dave
@zhena gogolia: I will happily accept if he does but agree he’s unlikely to lose it in any manner that is sufficient to break through the protective bullshit barrier.
Keeping in mind he is always graded on the very special Trump curve.
Not impossible but I certainly wouldn’t go in to this anticipating it.
SatanicPanic
@Dave: I’ll be happy if he comes off as rambling and weird. I don’t think people have really seen much of his obvious decline firsthand.
Baud
Via reddit, a pre debate chaser.
Urza
I’ll be happy if he stroke out. But short of that I don’t actually think much of anything changes.
Dave
@SatanicPanic: Agreed.
Kirk
One minor push-back I’d like to see is for Kamala to reprove the moderators if/when they address him as President Trump. He’s not, no more than Bush or Bush or Clinton or Obama or Carter. It is a job title, not a life title.
Of course, if she does so it will undoubtedly be seen as rude and uncivil if not untrue by the village.
Dave
@Baud: Trump losing and taking Ted down with him would be positively delectable.
Not sure that the various gods likee enough for that to happen but I would laugh and laugh.
Baud
@Kirk:
It’s standard form, whether you agree with it or not.
Baud
@Dave:
No kidding.
CaseyL
@piratedan:
I know what preferred manner of decapitation I’d like to see.
(Calling Havelock Vetinari! Havelock Vetinari to the courtesy phone!)
JaneE
Trump is 6’3″ like I am 5’5.5″. I was at one time. About 50 years ago. Now they measure me at 5’2″.
My husband has shrunk also. Maybe Trump used to be 6’3″, but maybe not so much any more.
Hoodie
@zhena gogolia: He probably will not lose it, but it will be interesting how he reacts if she levels some of the criticisms that Hillary did in 2016. His reaction there was to call Hillary “nasty,” which is the kind of thing he does to women (e.g., Rosie O’Donnell) he deems unattractive . However, he’s already shown that he worries that Harris is attractive in the sense he recognizes, as evidenced by his obsessing about the Time cover making her look like a movie star. He tends to think people, especially women, are judged by appearance and that aspect of Harris may scare him. It’s what he hated about Obama, he was a good looking, charismatic guy who made him feel inferior. In the case of Harris, Trump might say something inappropriately sexual rather than the insults he directed at Hillary.
Another Scott
@zhena gogolia: Yup. There’s no One Weird Trick. There’s never One Weird Trick.
Maybe there will be a few days of good memes. Maybe.
Forward!!
Cheers,
Scott.
Baud
@Hoodie:
Trump also had a lot more social support when it came to Hillary hate.
Kirk
@Baud: Is it?
I do not recall the others being addressed as such. I could be mistaken on that, of course – a not uncommon experience i fear.
But I don’t recall it being standard form.
The Audacity of Krope
@Kirk: Yes, former Presidents are routinely referred to by that title.
cain
@Kirk: I bet they will call her Kamala and him Mr. President.
Baud
@The Audacity of Krope:
Other officials too. It’s still Secretary Clinton.
SiubhanDuinne
@zhena gogolia:
If he says that tonight, I seriously doubt MVP will let it pass — even if she has to shout down the moderators to make her point.
JWR
Can anyone tell me if it’s possible to live stream Colbert on tonight’s debate, and if so, is it worth it?
cain
@WaterGirl: https://newrepublic.com/post/185784/kamala-harris-trump-officials-debate-guests
mrmoshpotato
I hope Harris calls Dump a liar to his disgusting, orange, lying, fascist face.
Maybe we’ll get a masterful retort of “NO LIAR! NO LIAR! YOU’RE THE LIAR! YOU’RE THE LIAR!”
Ishiyama
I saw one of Kamala’s aides outlining the problem created by the limited time format, and Kamala’s proposed tactics.This isn’t like a jury trial, where the attorney can argue to the jury as long as she desires; it’s more like appellate argument, where the total time you get is predetermined – usually 30 minutes, and you have to make your points, while also answering the questions from the panel.
Since he was echoing my own opinion, I was, of course, satisfied that she will make a good showing. What Trump will do can’t be predicted.
Kirk
@The Audacity of Krope and @Baud:
Thank you for the correction.
Rusty
Harris has done a very good job picking her battles. Most of what rolls out Trumps mouth should be ignored, the insults, his weird, wandering, off topic ramblings. She can control the debate by keeping it to her issues with rational explanations, and respond to only the most blant Trump lies with dismissiveness and condescension. That wounds him more than anything.
frog
@SatanicPanic:
Drink bleach? Oops, he said you’re supposed to mainline bleach, not drink it.
K-Mo
My predictions:
wjca
Note, however: calling him “President Trump” would be routine. But calling him “Mr. President” would not. The latter being reserved for the current President only.
WaterGirl
@cain: Thank you!
Another Scott
@Hoodie: I liked it when Biden called Turmp a “loser”. He should have done it more often.
We know that Turmp has said that “all that matters is ratings”. MVP should needle him a time or two about the DNC getting much better ratings than his pathetic convention show. Stuff like that.
She should also talk about his proposal for menstruation police. We know he hates blood.
But, I’m sure she will do well no matter how she decides to battle him tonight.
Forward!!
Cheers,
Scott.
prostratedragon
DirectTV customers won’t have ABC for the debate. DTV gave an explanation that should not have been able to drag itself out the door. They were concerned about “customer confusion” if viewers suddenly lost ABC again after being allowed to see it for three hours. (DTV and Disney have an ongoing dispute about carry charges.)
mrmoshpotato
@frog: Inject disinfectant and “get light into the body” – most likely by shoving a lightbulb up your ass in Dump’s syphilitic, decaying mind.
SiubhanDuinne
@JWR:
Don’t know the answer to that, but I do know he’ll be doing his show live at 11:30 (or 11:35, whatever it is), if that helps.
Baud
I wouldn’t mind hearing that a moderater asked Trump if he lost in 2020. Not that I expect Trump to give a straight answer.
cain
@K-Mo: They are totally going to ask her if she’s black.
It’s going to trigger the fuck out of me and every other non-white person.
cain
@Baud: We can get chatgpt to give us the answer.
Jackie
@WaterGirl: I posted about it earlier; here’s the link:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4871303-harris-trump-debate-scaramucci-troye/
middlelee
@Kirk: According to Emily Post it’s nuanced and in person he should be addressed as Mr. Trump but if talking about him or introducing him it would be Former President Trump.
cain
I think for Harris, shes’ going to have to keep hammering him with accusations. Do not answer any of the moderator’s questions – they are all dumb. This should be about maximizing the amount of tiktok videos you can create.
If the media whines, and they will – tell them they are irrelevant and then start reading out all the headlines and then shrug and say “irrelevant”.
Nukular Biskits
While you guys/gals will be watching the debate tonight, I’ll be watching the National Hurricane Center’s updates.
Already picked up stuff in the yard. Tomorrow the porch.
Fired up generator, just in case.
I’ll catch the clips in the morning but I hope MVP rips Trump a new asshole.
mrmoshpotato
@Baud:
And then call Dump a lying loser?
cain
@Nukular Biskits:
I’ve made homemade kulfi to be had after Kamala kicks Trump’s ass.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
Right. It’s normally whatever is the highest title the person has held (unless it’s a current title).
This is not the case in, e.g., Canada. Years ago I went to a thing at the Carter Center which featured former President Carter and his good friend former P.M. Joe Clark. During the Q&A I addressed a question to Clark and opened with “Prime Minister, what is your view on [whatever it was]?” He smiled broadly and said, in essence, “This is why I love to come to the States. I never get my former title in Canada, but you Americans always remind me that I was once a Somebody” (I’m paraphrasing, but that was the gist and it brought a big, good-natured laugh).*
*ETA: Including, maybe especially, from Carter.
geg6
@JWR:
Does he do debate commentary in real time? I thought he just broadcasts his show live at the usual time. That’s what he’s done for past debates and for the conventions..
Another Scott
Seen on a pickup in “very red Rockbridge County, VA” – I’m a Republican / But not a fool / Harris Walz 2024
(via Fritschner)
Cheers,
Scott.
Baud
@Another Scott:
👍
BlueDWarrior
@Nukular Biskits: hrm you and me both. I’ll have the debate on the PC and my phone on the charger. I know action day is really more tomorrow but better safe and all that.
Nukular Biskits
@cain:
Had to look that up. Learned something. Looks and sounds delicious!
Scout211
Are you in the direct path right now? What does your area expect for rain/wind?
Take care! Let us know how it goes for you.
KrackenJack
Per Josh Marshall at TPM:
Add to that the impact of the eventual media narrative and I’ll just luxuriate in my epistemic bubble of Harris highlight videos, thanks.
JWR
@SiubhanDuinne: Thanks! I usually just watch the show “live” in PDT, such as that may be, but I was curious if a “live” live stream might include a bit of Colbert’s audience kicking in with a few natured gufaws and applause. ;)
Harrison Wesley
@mrmoshpotato: BIGLY! YOOGE! ONLY THE BEST LYING!
SiubhanDuinne
@geg6:
His normal shows are live-on-tape. He tapes around 5:00pm and whatever they capture is broadcast at 11:30(ish). For special events, like tonight, his show will be broadcast live (not l-o-t) at 11:30, so he’ll have watched the debate and have hot-take commentary.
Scout211
This is so cool. The Harris campaign wins the cool factor.
Nukular Biskits
@Scout211:
I live in Gulfport, MS, which is roughly 120 miles east of where the center of the storm is expected to pass over LA (just east of Baton Rouge). At least that’s as of the 7 PM CDT NHC forecast.
The system has been drifting a little to the east as it moves north.
I don’t anticipate a direct hit but, unless it make a dramatic move to the east, we’ll be on the eastern side, which is NOT where I want to be. Tropical storm winds should be arriving around 5 pm tomorrow, give or take.
JWR
@geg6: It’s my understanding that when the little chyron on the lower right is there, then it’s live. Otherwise his taping for today’s show would already be done. That’s my understanding, anyway.
kalakal
@Nukular Biskits: Take care, hope the worst you get is a power outage
Harrison Wesley
@Scout211: Very cool indeed. I lived for a bunch of years near the Art Museum. Great place to stage stuff (like the 4th of July fireworks). Should be great.
Craig
I think she should take a page out of Reagan’s book and when he spouts a bunch of word salad, just side eye him and say, ‘ There he goes again… Rambling on.’ Repeat. Repeat.
Steve in the ATL
@Another Scott: glad to see I have moved W&L to the left!
John S.
@Craig:
That would be brilliant! Only people of a very particular demographic would understand the callback, but it would still play well with the uninitiated.
BC in Illinois
@The Audacity of Krope:
Or not. In 1962, for a “Pageant of the Arts” for what would later be the Kennedy Center, when Former President Eisenhower was introduced, (2:42:02) he was introduced (and referred to earlier by JFK) as “General Eisenhower.”
[The pageant is well worth watching. Seven-year-old Yo Yo Ma. Bob Newhart. Andre Previn. Harry Belafonte. Marian Andersen. Robert Frost. Nat’l Symphony Orchestra. Navy Band. Ballet. Leonard Bernstein. etc.]
TBone
Donvict’s top debate advisor is…Lara Loomer?!
https://digbysblog.net/2024/09/10/top-adviser/
Gvg
@Kirk: I disagree, until recently the point was made rather strongly that you did NOT use the title as current. You said former, if you mentioned it at all. Not sure exactly when that changed, but I think the official government protocol is to not use the title. Now, the press and the public are more variable. It used to be that the political press, especially National Political journalists were careful. It had to do with showing that they knew the correct answers I think. Now, eh who knows.