ABC’s livefeed on YouTube:
Here’s the Guardian‘s liveblog, which is always interesting:
The Harris campaign will be fact-checking the debate in real time, on X.
Trump is going to lie tonight. A lot.
So we are going to fact check him in real time.
Follow @KamalaHQ and tap the bell icon to help amplify the truth.
— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) September 10, 2024
ABC, meanwhile, has said that the debate moderators will facilitate the debate but not fact-check. Rick Klein, ABC News’ political director, told the New York Times: “We’re not making a commitment to fact-check everything, or fact-check nothing, in either direction. We’re there to keep a conversation going, and to facilitate a good solid debate.”
For truly unbiased fact-checking of both candidates, follow along here on the Guardian US liveblog!
CNN’s YouTube:
ETA: National Debate Watch Party with Gov. Tim Walz
zhena gogolia
I can’t stand any of the commentary that’s leading up to this. It’s all about “neck and neck”!
danielx
So, gonna be the eternal Italian food vs. tire rims and anthrax debate again. Never gets old.
japa21
Hate that picture of Harris on the CNN link. She looks panicked. Whereas he just looks smug. Really bad editorializing.
J. Arthur Crank
The fact that there are people who need an event like this to make up their minds depresses me.
hrprogressive
The citizens need to disregard what the MSM says here. They are serving their shareholders, and nobody else, and the shareholders want trump.
MVP Harris has generally been crushing it since she was rolled out, but I definitely am unsettled.
In a “sane” world, Harris should be crushing Trump by Reaganesque numbers. That world died a long, long, time ago, unfortunately.
dmsilev
Hah. Martha Radditz to Reince Preibus “Donald Trump persistently degrades women. How will that attract women voters?”
Geminid
The debate is big news in the Middle East. The Times of Israel, Al Jazeera and AlArabiya have articles previewing the debate and Al Jazeera is live-blogging it.
dmsilev
OK, let’s do this.
Leto
@J. Arthur Crank: this.
Another Scott
YouTube – Watch party with Tim Walz. We’ll see if that’s watchable…
Forward!!
[eta:] That’s not a feed of the debate.
Cheers,
Scott.
Miki
Jeebus – when did shoulder pads come back? Lindsey Davis, tell me it ain’t so.
danielx
@J. Arthur Crank:
More depressing yet is the thought of those who still won’t have made up their minds afterwards.
dmsilev
OMG THEY SHOOK HANDS
TS
Ye gad – sunshine and gloo
Look at those faces
Elizabelle
No audience.
Suzanne
Love how she introduced herself to TFG and he didn’t respond.
Old Dan and Little Ann
She went right at the orange menace and introduced herself
karen gail
Was reading about leadership; as in someone who leads from the front, someone who cares about the people, someone who supports and encourages. In these things Kamala Harris has already won, she is showing that she touches people and shows that she cares about them. She hugs them, touches them, makes personal contact; you can see the faces of those people and know that no matter what happens she has touched their lives.
zhena gogolia
DAVID MUIR IS TOO OLD! HE SAID PRESIDENT TRUMP INSTEAD OF BIDEN!
SpaceUnit
Hope she had some hand sanitizer.
Elizabelle
Right off Muir misidentifies the current President.
Miki
And she doesn’t answer the first question …. This is why people hate politicians.
SiubhanDuinne
Huh? “You and President Trump” were elected four years ago? David Muir beclowned himself right off the bat.
John Cole
I lasted 44 seconds and realized I was not breathing so i stopped watching
hrprogressive
The Convicted Felon looks like he’s about to fall asleep on stage, and MVP Harris is coming out with policy prescriptions, and also attacking the opponent with concrete hits.
RaflW
Tariffs are paid by consumers.
Suzanne
What the fuck happened to his face?!?!
dmsilev
I guess we’re getting monotone lower-energy Trump tonight.
SpaceUnit
What are those weird noises coming out of its face?
wenchacha
@zhena gogolia: I caught that. What the AF, already.
Elizabelle
I like Kamala’s manicure.
dmsilev
@Suzanne: His head Tribble is finally devouring its host.
NaijaGal
What the hell is going on with his makeup? He looks so so strange.
Nix Besser
What is going on with his eyes?
lamh47
Ya’ll enjoy the debate. I don’t need it, I already know who I’ve voting for and I’m sure the spin will always be against the MVP anyway. I’m reserving my peace thank you very much. Maybe I’ll rewatch after it’s all done.
Reclaiming my Time
Suzanne
@dmsilev: He looks like he’s been irradiated. He looks orange-er than usual.
Seanly
Wow, he’s going full racist right off the bat…
J.
OMG make it stop.
Quinerly
He looks drugged.
Miki
And he takes the bait then makes it into his own crazy-ass shit. Starting to think she did exactly the right thing.
J. Arthur Crank
@SiubhanDuinne: The joke will be on us when at the end “Donald Trump” pulls off his latex mask to reveal himself as Biden.
On the other hand, maybe Muir should step down and retire.
Jackie
He looks stoned/drugged. Eyes are barely open. The bags under his eyes are very puffy.
SpaceUnit
I think it’s trying to imitate human speech.
Chet Murthy
@John Cole: Yeah, I was gonna watch, but now I just can’t be arsed. So I’ll just read what y’all write about it instead.
Leto
Did he get some type of combover haircut? It ain’t working.
dmsilev
OK, she’s getting under his skin. He really doesn’t like the Project 2025 attacks.
SiubhanDuinne
HER FACE as he responds to P25
hrprogressive
Harris is coming out swinging, and sharply.
CFDT is rambling, lying, and sounds beaten.
tam1MI
I love that little smirk she wears as he Gish Gallops on!
Tinare
I wish she would explain that tariffs are not actually paid by foreign countries but by consumers. That was a missed opportunity.
Sister Golden Bear
@hrprogressive:
So low energy. Sad.
PsiFighter37
@Jackie: Maybe they gave him downers to try and ensure he wouldn’t say something extra-racist or extra-stupid.
Kudos to all of you watching. The neurologist I visited today said I need to drink a little less, and by not watching, this is definitely helping that goal.
Nix Besser
Also, I don’t see anything wrong with his ear. It’s a fucking miracle!
Elizabelle
Good response by Kamala.
Trump has nothing to do w Project 2025. Right.
Leto
She’s looking at him like the crazy asshole he is.
“Donald Trumpov has no plan for you.” Yup!
stacib
@zhena gogolia: My thoughts exactly.
dmsilev
I think this is the longest back-and-forth that I’ve seen in a Presidential debate in, well, ever.
Nice “Wharton says you suck” reference.
J. Arthur Crank
@dmsilev: I was wondering if she would go for the knee to the groin right out of the gate, or run rings around him rhetorically first, then deliver the knee to the groin.
hrprogressive
“Donald Trump has no plan for you”.
Haymaker.
different-church-lady
He looks like a very sad Muppet.
Omnes Omnibus
Ha! She cited Wharton against him.
Elizabelle
Bounceback jobs. That’s a new one.
Leto
OH, dropping the Wharton School… luuul; slip that shiv in nice and subtle
WHY THE FUCK DID THEY TURN HIS MIC ON! HE JUST STARTED RAMBLING! Fine, let him ramble. Lost control in 10 mins.
hrprogressive
@Sister Golden Bear:
So Old! So Sad! Yugely Sad!
SteverinoCT
When does Trump dive into his pocket and haul out the ball bearings to fondle?
Suzanne
LMAO he’s bragging about where he went to college.
Geminid
@Jackie: Once the Dr. Jekkyl injection loses strength he’ll revert to Mr. Hyde.
Andrew Abshier
@SteverinoCT: “Strawberries!”
Elizabelle
Now Muir called him Mr. President.
3Sice
They should show the shot clock on screen. Also the offsides rule is a bit hazy, maybe those two press moppets can explain.
dmsilev
“Can’t buy bacon!” Is that on the bingo card?
Leto
I do appreciate that he can’t remember the last year of his administration.
Edit: Also Muir is calling him the President. He’s not the President, you jackass.
Sister Golden Bear
@Nix Besser: It’s his standard failure to apply orange foundation up to the top of the lower lid, and it his eyelids — my best guest is that it’s mimicking tanning bed tans from the 1980s, where you wore the little eye protecters. Plus this time, he’s also failed to work the foundation all the way down his forehead into his brows.
I’d say his make-up artist hates him, but I’m sure they’re being told what to do.
Sad.
Richard Fox
She’s got this. He’s playing defense. She’s brilliant. Period.
Aziz, light!
Why can’t she say, plainly, that he has no idea what a tariff is?
Leto
@Sister Golden Bear: I appreciate this :)
dmsilev
I guess Trump hasn’t heard of the CHIPS act? or Intel?
Danielx
@hrprogressive:
Not entirely true; he has any number of plans for everybody he doesn’t like.
Misterpuff
Harris ignoring Trump’s trolling, and continues to hit her bullet points.
See dick Run. Last book he read other than the speeches of Adolf Hitler.
He really believes tariffs are paid by the exporter, not the importer.
Harris should tell him the facts of life tariff-wise.
Omnes Omnibus
Marxist?!
She is almost cracking up.
different-church-lady
By this time in the first debate three quarters of the Democratic party had already given up on the entire election.
sdhays
@Sister Golden Bear: From what I’ve read, he won’t let anyone else touch his face, so he is his own makeup artist. So, yes, his makeup artist hates him.
Ohio Mom
I just tuned in.
What’s that line, Everything he says is a lie, including “and” and “the”? (Or something like that.)
Trump is talking about Covid, it’s one lie after the other, delivered with complete confidence. And he looks good, for him.
Since no one on air is going to fact check, this is horrible.
dmsilev
Abortion. This should be …interesting.
3Sice
My feed froze. He looks like he ate a bug, and Kamala is laughing and laughing….
SiubhanDuinne
@Elizabelle:
I’ve never seen Muir before tonight. AFAIK I’ve never even really heard of him. Suffice it to say, I am underwhelmed.
Anyway
Is Humboldt watching the debate or the game?
Misterpuff
Trump calls Harris a Marxist.
Her daddy was a Marxist professor.
hrprogressive
Saying “Marxist” 3 times hoping something magical is going to happen is not a strategy.
He sounds unhinged and unstable.
She sounds clear and Presidential. AND NOT OLD.
Tom Levenson
@John Cole: I didn’t even start.
My 24 year old son has a watch party going, fueled by rum and cokes and Aperol spritzes. (There’s a bottle of cava in the fridge; I’m not sure what the intended final stat for that might be.)
I had to shut all the doors between me and his gang, and am now up at my desk sending emails to students about tomorrow’s readings. Much better for my blood pressure.
Primer Gray (formerly Yet Another Jeff
@danielx: I was saying that to my wife about when the debate started…about undecided voters…
zhena gogolia
@different-church-lady: I just gave up on listening. We can’t stand to listen to that asshole. And the “moderators.”
Omnes Omnibus
This man is fucking nuts.
Another Scott
West Virginia!!
[ groucho-roll-eyes.gif ]
Cheers,
Scott.
TBone
Off the rails 👀
😆
Leto
@dmsilev: Lays or Doritos?
SpaceUnit
Word salad. That didn’t take long.
dmsilev
I’d say this is word salad, but salad doesn’t deserve that comparison.
Omnes Omnibus
They just fact checked him!
TS
@Miki:
I caught a little of that on subtitles – it seemed so easy from the cheap seats to answer the question – which she did not. But the glimpses I have had since – she is going strong.
Just saw trump mention 9 months abortions – the insanity MUST come across to women (and sane men) with that
zhena gogolia
@TBone: He’s exactly the same as he was in the Biden debate.
HeleninEire
Nope. I said in an earlier thread that depending on how many glasses of wine I have at dinner I will watch.
Just ended glass #4. That is a whole bottle. I turned it off. I can’t listen to his horrible voice.
HumboldtBlue
@Anyway:
Both, just turned off the debate, just angers me while the Phils bring me joy.
Miki
Post-birth abortion isn’t a thing, Donold. Sheesh ….
Sister Golden Bear
That side eye as Trump talks about abortion!
SiubhanDuinne
Woah. He’s going scarlet in the face. Is he actually going to stroke out on national TV in front of us all? Does YHWH love me that much?
RaflW
He is already off the rails. She got him riled in like minute six with that Wharton jab, and he’s losing it already. His last two ‘answers’ were just bonkers.
zhena gogolia
@SiubhanDuinne: Okay, let me know and I’ll turn it back on.
different-church-lady
@zhena gogolia: But Biden is very different.
Leto
@Omnes Omnibus: yes, but tell us about his mental state…
Elizabelle
@Another Scott: Who was this previous WV governor who was killing newborns?
I think Trump’s performance is going over well with people who live in Trump world.
Omnes Omnibus
@zhena gogolia:
We know.
opiejeanne
@SiubhanDuinne: We should be so lucky.
The lies are astonishing.
3Sice
Donnie went bye-bye.
Elizabelle
I hope this is the only debate.
FelonyGovt
OK I’m not watching, but I feel rather relieved reading all your comments here (at least so far).
zhena gogolia
@different-church-lady: True. We’ll see if it makes any difference.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: He is drugged to the gills.
J. Arthur Crank
@Omnes Omnibus:
Is “fucking” used as a verb or an adjective here? Both uses could be true.
realbtl
I love how Kamala gives T that “Oh that poor old man is losing it” look. At least when she isn’t laughing at him.
TS
@zhena gogolia:
I have subtitles on – just watch the face & read the word salad – works for me. I’m also working so only catch snippets
Tinare
She is doing awesome now.
Leto
Surgical in her precision in dismantling the bullshit. And now back to him for gishgallop.
different-church-lady
WaPo: “Trump just mixed up the states of West Virginia and Virginia as part of his abortion answer.”
Suzanne
I wish that, even if it’s just one time, she says, “I will proudly sign that into law — with a goddamn sparkly pen.”
Danielx
Can’t stand to listen any more. I could hear the screams of brain cells dying with every word It spoke.
Quinerly
I have never seen him look like this. His eyes, expression.
lamh47
Not watching LIVE, but just from clips, MVP looks fantastic!!!
Leto
@Elizabelle: same. There’s no reason to do any more.
JPL
so is she tearing him apart
dmsilev
OK, now he’s just completely gone random word association.
hrprogressive
CFDT telling the theocratic right he won’t sign an abortion ban on live TV is gonna go over well.
Elizabelle
Trump runs with “there she goes again.”
Leto
Avalune’s student loans were terminated…
3Sice
Watching w/o sound. He’s delaminating. How much longer are they gonna keep him on stage?
dmsilev
Under the bus goes JD.
Frankensteinbeck
Well, she lured Trump into bragging about overturning Roe vs Wade. She handed him the knife and he cut his own throat.
Leto
HERE COMES THE BUS JV! WOOOO WOOOOO!
Seanly
She’s getting to him. He’s such as asshole…
dmsilev
He’s just regurgitating the output of Wish.com ChatGPT.
Old Dan and Little Ann
What a rambling, orange, shitshow. Yikes.
different-church-lady
Will be interesting to see if we get a similar flood of unfamiliar nyms running through the comments this time.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@danielx:
Cole will go down in blogging history for that analogy.
citizen dave
She’s great. Orange Man is melting down and sounds like a crazy man. Why is he getting the last word so often–just starts talking when it isn’t his turn. I’m sure Kamala will take note at some point. The bullshitter is such an asshole.
hueyplong
Not watching, but enjoying the comments a lot more than last time.
Danielx
@different-church-lady:
Eh?
different-church-lady
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6juDPbCcAAkyb4.jpg
Another Scott
@Elizabelle: He was thinking of Virginia Governor Ralph Northam (an MD) and a lie made up about what he said.
He got the state wrong. Very wrong.
Cheers,
Scott.
sdhays
@Elizabelle: I’m not watching, but man… if MVP just stopped the whole thing and said, “Hold up, Mr. Trump just accused a former governor of West Virginia of infanticide. This is the first I’m hearing of this heinous crime, and I would like him to name names and and give us details.”
Elizabelle
Reminding young voters about abortion roulette and that Democrats care about student loans.
She brings up IVF. And refers to abortion as healthcare.
Suzanne
“I have been a leader on fertilization.”
NOT WEIRD.
CaseyL
@Leto:
“Terminated”? That does mean cancelled, right? She no long has student debt?
That’s terrific!
Jackie
@Sister Golden Bear:
It’s been reported he does his own hair and makeup. He doesn’t trust anyone else to do it “right.” And, I believe this.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@hrprogressive:
I’ve said this before but I now have an understanding about what pre-Civil War USA must have felt like.
Misterpuff
He is ranting.
Did you talk with JD about abortion bans? The quick step of denial, denial, denial is a tell when he is lying on the fly.
Oh he’s an IVF hero.
Wait, wasn’t it the ex-governor from Virginia who was linked to that claim? Bedtime for Bonzo.
Matt McIrvin
@different-church-lady: It’s been a while since the UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH guy popped up!
Lily
“and probably after birth”
dmsilev
@Suzanne: Explains why he’s so fond of Elon Musk.
zhena gogolia
@hueyplong: Haha, yeah. I dip in to hear her every once in a while. She is great. I SIMPLY CANNOT LISTEN TO HIM
different-church-lady
@Suzanne: Well, he’s certainly tried.
twbrandt
Since I can’t stand listening to him, I’m following along here and on bsky. Seems to be going well for the home team.
LeftCoastYankee
She’s “working the body” in boxing parlance. There won’t be a single KO shot, but he will wilt and collapse into gibberdom before this is over.
opiejeanne
@Elizabelle: How Reaganesque of him.
zhena gogolia
@sdhays: I know!
Elizabelle
Abortion after birth. Uh huh.
Did Virginia Governor Northam say what is alleged? Ridiculous.
3Sice
He looks like his upper fell out?
Tazj
He’s been a leader on fertilization, IVF?
So weird. Fertilization maybe, pervert that he is. This new found love of IVF? He’s never talked about before the last few weeks.
Finally he’s been fact checked on the killing of newborns.
Omnes Omnibus
She is calling him out.
SpaceUnit
Holy shit.
dmsilev
Mock him. Mock him to death.
Lehrjet
Whelp, I’m done watching that travesty. Ain’t no amount and/or combination of weed and whiskey to handle that mess. Gonna just monitor the comments here.
Never get out the boat,man!
Almost Retired
I don’t know why I was so anxious about this. She is absolutely killing this. And now she’s bringing up his rallies to get under his skin. I’m not objective, but she is fucking fabulous.
Also her facial expressions are spot on.
hrprogressive
Okay, Harris just invited people to go to CFDT’s rallies to hear him spew shit about windmills and electrocution but not talk about you.
Wow.
That’s a sucker punch that Joe wouldn’t have ever thrown.
dmsilev
“The biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies”. Needs more “big strong men with tears in their eyes calling me sir”
Elizabelle
People start leaving his rallies early.
Kapow!!
SiubhanDuinne
Oooh, I think he’s “weaving.”
ETA: YIKES, and he’s repeating the “immigrants eating pets” thing. LOL.
Jeffro
Can I get a Hindenburg gif yet people?
OMG this is SOOOOO good!
MVP for the win!
RaflW
OMG she is playing him like a fiddle!
He’s raving about his rallies and then “weave” to rave about eating the dogs!
He’s off the rails completely.
dmsilev
OK, here’s the “eating the pets” slander.
SpaceUnit
Holy shit! He’s coming off the rails.
Tinare
She lured him like a wild animal into the crowd size…
Omnes Omnibus
She is literally laughing in his face.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
I’m upstairs while my normie wife is down stairs watching the debate (I’m “following” it here) and all I hear is her snorting/laughing at shit Hair Furor is saying. I can almost time the snorts with comments here.
LeftCoastYankee
“what they have done to our country…”
“Eating the dogs!”
TheronWare
Dotard is getting his arse kicked!
H
@Elizabelle: OF COURSE NOT. He was talking about comfort care for newborns that could not survive. He is a pediatric neurologist.
cain
haha! He’s embarrassing himself. She hit him with his rallys and he’s gone nuts.
Wag
Holy shit, he went there. Eating pets. Getting fact checked.
Miki
Holy fucken moly – if he can’t stay away from the cray cray.
japa21
Not watching the debate but following on Kamala HQ twitter account. I love her face when he is talking.
Kirk
In Springfield they’re eating the dogs…
SpaceUnit
Venezuela on steroids!
dmsilev
Fuck. Lie-checked by the moderators.
zhena gogolia
@hrprogressive: Brilliant.
Old School
Dogs and cats! Being eaten together!
Almost Retired
Springfield pet eating! Fact checked by Muir!
Old Dan and Little Ann
This is remarkable.
BlueDWarrior
@danielx: that is what happens when you have people brain rotted by negative partisanship. They will eat an entire nightshade plant just to “own the libs” and then wonder in their last moments where it all went wrong while they are puking their guts out.
Elizabelle
First let me respond to the rallies. She is bussing them in and paying them.
And now dogs and cats and pets being eaten!!!
Misterpuff
Harris has brass balls to go at Trump by accusing him of boring this fans. Its an affront!
She’s lit the fuse, he’s going off.
RinaX
There’s always a moment at the start of a debate when I worry that Trump will manage to hold it together. Then, he disproves it within ten minutes. And now he’s descended into loon territory. She broke him with the rally stuff.
Richard Fox
They’re eating cats! They’re eating cats! Meow! Yikes!
comrade scotts agenda of rage
What everybody is seeing here is a veteran prosecutor showing how verbal vivisection is done.
zhena gogolia
Muir is actually somewhat doing a job.
hrprogressive
This motherfucker out here citing Elon AI Memes while being fact-checked by David Muir (!!??!) and MVP just slapping him down repeatedly.
This is like night and day compared to the june debate.
Lily
He’s getting wild eyed.
“People on television say…. “
Seanly
I’m loving her “oh the poor dear” face while Trump is going on about people eating dogs.
RaflW
Now she’s doing the deep pity look at him. Wow he looks sooo crazy. And she’s talking about the 100s of Repubs who have fled him — because he’s unstable and dangerous.
Elizabelle
Venezuela on steroids.
Jeffro
OMG HERE IT COMES!!!
”200 former Republicans…”
Anne Laurie
Here it is: At 9:29pm, Trump announces that ‘immigrants in Springfield are eating peoples’ dogs’.
Harris’ expression is *perfect*: She’d laugh out loud, if it weren’t so damned serious.
David Muir is pushing back!
Tinare
Her look of pity and concern to him with the dog eating thing was so very awesome.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Kirk:
Three-eyed dogs.
Miki
And Kamala looks worried about the Donold.
She is, truly, on fire.
Misterpuff
She just hung the weirdo sign around his neck, and he got to hear her laugh!
mudslide567
Dogs being eaten in Springfield OH.
lamh47
Ok…I couldn’t resist. I turned it on. SHE LOOKS FAN-FUQ’N-TASTIC!!!
Elizabelle
Giggles. Talk about extreme!
brings up 200 GOP endorsements, including Cheneys.
Kamala is good at this.
Primer Gray (formerly Yet Another Jeff
He seems hinged…very hinged. Big strong men come up to him with tears in their eyes…telling him he’s the most hinged man they’ve ever seen in the history of hingedness
Leto
We fired the person responsible for the shitty deal struck with the Taliban. Stupid fucker.
LeftCoastYankee
The “pity face” before rolling out the list of Republican endorsements. She’s on fire.
Omnes Omnibus
@Misterpuff: I am waiting for her to actually call him weird.
3Sice
What a weirdo.
sixthdoctor
God bless you all for reporting on this. I’m just hoping that the pinprick hemorrhages that are popping in the rotten mango that is his brain manifest in agony during his prison term.
Wag
Ooh. Deportations next. Gonna be insane
Elizabelle
Note that Trump avoided answering about immigration by bringing up his rallies and pet consumption.
Aziz, light!
Madam VP is bringing it.
It’s a mystery why anyone would ever believe a word he says, but here we are.
Ohio Mom
@Elizabelle: The Virginian governor was talking about comfort care for babies born to die — neonates with such servere deformities that they can not survive.
BlueDWarrior
Trump believe we live in a world of bedlam and anarchy and he is the bronze god that will solve everything forever.
And if that isn’t true he will make it true.
cain
Millions of criminals – good grief.
Geminid
Trump teased World War III before he started in on people eating pets. I don’t why Trump thinks scaring people about WW III makes them want to vote for him. Seems like it would be the opposite.
Primer Gray (formerly Yet Another Jeff
And another one writes a book. Another one writes a book. And another one’s fired and another one’s fired, and another one writes a book.
Almost Retired
If you’re following the comments but not watching it for understandable anxiety-related reasons, trust me….it’s okay to wade in now. This is awesome.
citizen dave
I hope the Simpsons are hiding Santa’s Little Helper in Springfield.
As said on the Shrinking Trump podcast–if millions of criminals were coming in, wouldn’t we notice? Where are they???
Wag
And Harris is looking presidential.
CaseyL
A million thanks to everyone here reporting. Some good stuff on BlueSky, too.
I may watch some “highlights” later, but for now am just enjoying the live-blogging.
Leto
So many words for so little content/meaning.
Tinare
Seriously, he sounds more crazy than anyone’s crazy uncle,
Quinerly
The drugs are wearing off.
citizen dave
Now all the trump crimes!!!
hrprogressive
He’s quite literally just hitting buzzwords he thinks his fascist thugs want to hear.
To the extent anyone is actually a true “swing voter” at this point, there’s no way anyone is being moved to the Trump Column by this performance.
Not unless they were already Trump Curious.
Omnes Omnibus
Called him a criminal!
zhena gogolia
@Almost Retired: EXCEPT FOR having to listen TO TRUMP
Scout211
I took a peek several times early on and while Kamala Harris is freaking brilliant, he was doing far better than I had hoped. I just peeked in again and he is starting to come apart. He’s really on the defensive and not making sense anymore. Whew! She is playing him so well.
Thank you all for commenting. I can’t watch except for short snippets.
dmsilev
Hah. This is like the third or fourth time the moderators have called Trump a liar.
And now Harris points out Trump’s …legal problems.
Kirk
34 felony counts. Jab.
Misterpuff
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
And served on a platter by Marge Simpson.
Elizabelle
Venezuela is crime free because all their criminals are here. She brought them in.
Steve in the ATL
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: lawyers rule!!! Except, of course, for Omnes, Baud, and me.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Elizabelle:
She wasn’t in my Top 5 in 2020…but she was one of the best debaters in 2020, that much was patently clear. Why Felonious D’s campaign clowns didn’t see that…
tam1MI
She is not giving an inch on anything. Every thing he throws at her, she just flings it right back at him.
And she got him doing what he loves to do best – whining about how mean everybody is to him.
lamh47
Even when I put him on mute. MVP’s facial reaction are STELLAR!!!!
Gin & Tonic
@zhena gogolia:
Yeah, I can’t do it. My wife is calling me from the other room, saying it’s awesome to watch, and I have to say “no thanks.”
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: To be fair, I did rule when I was an ALJ.
hueyplong
I swear I’ll still love you all in the morning.
karen marie
I am stunned that anyone would think that watching the debate on CNN or ABC or any other corporate media outlet is their first and/or only choice to watch the debate.
I’m team CSpan all the way. Fuck those fucking fuckers of corporate media. They can shove their oversized paychecks and self-regard straight up their asses.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I love Wonkette’s live blogging.
Matt McIrvin
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: I recall she got some good hits in on Biden in one of the primary debates, and I suspect he was impressed.
Gin & Tonic
@Steve in the ATL:
Eh, Baud’s OK.
Elizabelle
Kamala brings out the big guns on Trump’s criminal record..
Trump accuses Dems of weaponizing the Justice Department. Says Cannon threw out the documents case.
frog
I’m watching Mary Trump’s channel. Do you guys here think Trump is winning? (ha ha ha)
More seriously, do you think the public views this as Trump is winning?
Tazj
He’s losing it and I love it.
Leto
FFS, THE MIC IS SUPPOSED TO BE TURNED OFF! I mean, let him ramble and look like the insane clown he is but c’mon now…
sdhays
It sounds like the moderators are also considerably higher quality than CNN’s.
Not that MVP needed the help, it seems, but credit where due.
Omnes Omnibus
@Gin & Tonic: No, he isn’t.
Nix Besser
I’m fairly impressed with the fact checking. It’s subtle, with a single sentence now and then, but it’s more than I expected.
Elizabelle
Trump says Dems responsible for him getting a bullet to the head.
(Narrator: fired by a Republican.)
zhena gogolia
@Nix Besser: Much more than in the CNN debate.
Betty
I am sorry she didn’t emphasize renewable energy on the fracking question. The problem isn’t just foreign oil.
Hoppie
@Jeffro: You could politely ask Odie Hugh Manatee, I guess.
hrprogressive
“I wasn’t handed $400M and then declared bankruptcy 6 times”
stiff uppercut, MVP!!
Elizabelle
400 million on a platter and declared bankruptcy six times
sanjeevs
Surely Trump has won the night with that zinger.
Wapiti
@Tinare: i was hoping she would point out the China put tariffs on soybeans and the farmers lost that market.
SpaceUnit
Many many billions and when people see it they’re very surprised.
Almost Retired
@zhena gogolia: Yeah, there’s that.
zhena gogolia
@sanjeevs: Hahaha
Betty
The lies are just awful.
SpaceUnit
She did things that nobody would ever think of.
Elizabelle
Trump’s lies are constant. The projection.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Matt McIrvin:
Oh, she nailed him brilliantly and as everybody here knows, I’m a massive Biden supporter.
But give props where props are due in a setting like back then and now, she’s experienced at it.
Anybody who has watched CSPAN when the Dems controlled the House and they’d have hearings on whatever, they always had prosecutors running the show and it was a marvel to watch them bulldoze whatever RWNJ they’d call in front of them.
This is that…only vs a far better target.
dmsilev
“Transgender operations on illegal immigrants who are in prison”
I think that makes Trump Bingo in a single sentence.
Wag
Transgender operations on illegal aliens who are in jail????? WTF?
Old Dan and Little Ann
BINGO!
sdhays
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: He has one setting. His campaign staff may have seen the potential for this coming, but the only thing they could do was to convince him to not show up. And that would have been pretty bad on it’s own.
He went into the debate needing a trajectory reset. He may get it, just not in the direction he wants.
Elizabelle
@sanjeevs: Good catch! Lol,
grubert
Transgender operations on illegal aliens!
SpaceUnit
I’m fucking dying here.
tobie
Did I get that right? Mandatory transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison?
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@sdhays:
Higher than Tapper and Bash? That’s an incredibly low bar.
hrprogressive
He literally just vomited a bunch of nonsense out after mocking Harris’ “I’m Speaking” from 4 years ago.
None of that is gonna go over well with women voters, and with anyone who isn’t in the cult.
zhena gogolia
THEY BURNED DOWN MINNEAPOLIS! I MISSED THAT!
SiubhanDuinne
@Jeffro:
O/T, but whatever happened to Odie Hugh Manatee? Haven’t seen them around for quite a while.
Leto
Just… insane ramblings of a delusional mad man.
On to Jan 6th!
tam1MI
I swear after Harris brought up the $400 million he started speaking in tongues.
TS
He can’t stop – fracking oil police etc etc – in response to MVP saying he got all his money from his Dad
SpaceUnit
I wasn’t sure I wanted to watch this debate but I could watch this every fucking night!
frosty
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I’m flipping back and forth between you all, Wonkette, the Guardian, and TPM. But not watching. I can’t stand his voice and I can’t stand looking at him even with subtitles.
Miki
Whooboi …. Donold should not be talking about 1/6.
geg6
@Leto:
That’s wonderful!
Leto
It’s a very simple question… hahahaha
SiubhanDuinne
JFC, his handlers sure misjudged the timing of his meds, didn’t they?
Drunkenhausfrau
Transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison!!! DRINK!
TS
What a question – on January 6, and he’s ranting again – into the millions of immigrants
Quinerly
@Wag:
I think he is mixing up the transnational gangs Harris prosecuted with transgender.
hrprogressive
“Do you regret anything about January 6th?”
‘LET’S TALK ABOUT THE BORDER!!!’
Seriously, anyone who isn’t already a fascist thug isn’t buying any of this. Not one lick of it.
Elizabelle
Ashli Babbitt shot by an out of control officer. Right.
sanjeevs
@dmsilev: Is transgender operations on illegal aliens supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing? I’m so confused.
HumboldtBlue
Jesus Christ smashing his head into the wall repeatedly, he whines like a fucking 10-year-old boy! He sounds like a child!
Lily
go get him
Torrey
The question about January 6 sent him over the edge. At least the moderator is correcting him.
TS
He’s calling it a rally – insurrection by any other name
Elizabelle
Lots of women have rejected you, Donald.
Spanky
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
Same scenario here.
Leto
@geg6: It was! We did photographs and everything! It’s why this, “terminating student loans was horrible” is just so stupid.
I’m appreciating Muir’s responses to Trumpov: you didn’t answer the simple question we asked, but we have to move on.
zhena gogolia
He said “Nobody on the other side got killed!” “the other side,” Congress and the police, I guess
hueyplong
Trump’s whirlwind policy tour de force likely to energize his base
— NYT
Primer Gray (formerly Yet Another Jeff
The Pelosi tapes!!!!!
I wonder how this is coming across to normies….
RinaX
“We’re not going back.” Insert Leo Dicaprio pointing gif.
The Thin Black Duke
This sounds like the best Law and Order episode ever.
lamh47
Transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison..Ya’ll it’s so bad, my mommy had to call me…like “WTH is this guy talking about”…LOL
Leto
@HumboldtBlue: it wasn’t me! It wasn’t me! It wasn’t my fault! I didn’t do it! It’s like Jake Blue’s speech to Carrier Fisher in The Blues Brothers.
Misterpuff
He is a gaping open wound, walking talking ball of grievance.
Now the MVP going poetic on his ass, a statement of ethics.
Elizabelle
President Kamala Harris.
And we don’t have to go back. This is like her closing statement.
TS
Madam Vice President – take a bow
I am not getting my work done – I did not think I would get so engrossed in watching this intelligent, knowledgeable, amazing president to be
dmsilev
He’s really losing it.
And thank you, Trump, for bring up Project 2025 unprompted.
Omnes Omnibus
@Leto: It was Jake’s speech.
Leto
@zhena gogolia: yeah, those cops don’t count. Obviously! /eyeroll
Scout211
Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham as fact checkers?! Ha ha ha
Tom Levenson
TBogg unit in view.
RaflW
Is he gonna stomp out at some point? He’s really pissed and raving.
Leto
@Omnes Omnibus: doh! Yup.
hrprogressive
Harris literally tied together J6, Charlottesville, the Proud Boys, very nicely.
CFDT responds with something about the energy sector (???) and then goes back to the border.
This is a mugging, and MVP is doing the slugging here.
TS
Its the millions of immigrants – again!
SpaceUnit
This is the funniest thing I’ve ever seen.
Aziz, light!
Go down to Washington and sign a bill!
Regnad Kcin
@Spanky: dit-the-f-to
sab
Now he wants to go home because “we are wasting so much time here” LOL.
zhena gogolia
@The Thin Black Duke: DUNH DUNH
HumboldtBlue
@Leto:
He’s so fucking angry, he’s got the spittle flying, I’m pretty sure he’s shit himself as well.
Torrey
Nice use of “We’re not going back” and indirectly invoking Trump fatigue (“turn the page,” etc.). And Trump is going on and on. It’s really getting under his skin.
And now, ooh, the moderators are going for the Big Lie about the election.
SpaceUnit
Our elections are bad!!!
Elizabelle
His Fox peeps debunked Charlottesville. Uh huh.
Just called her so bad it’s ridiculous.
Says she can wake Biden up at 4 pm to sign a bill.
RaflW
Oh now he said the “lost by a whisker” was sarcastic. Huh.
Dang the moderation is strong tonight.
dmsilev
“I didn’t detect the sarcasm”
David Muir has no fucks left to give tonight.
hrprogressive
“I didn’t detect the sarcasm”
Leto
@Tom Levenson: and no stopping till morning!
zhena gogolia
@Leto: But it’s the phrase “the other side” that gets me.
Elizabelle
Trump does not acknowledge he lost 2020.
Send it back to the legislatures.
frog
Trump: Immigrants are the root cause of EVERYTHING.
Tazj
Muir gave him a chance to correct himself and admit he lost the last election and he still says he won the 2020 election.
Chief Oshkosh
Tuning in late here. Because I’m so virtuous. Just wrote, addressed, and stamped 20 more postcards to MI voters.
What have I missed? ;)
Leto
@HumboldtBlue: well he can take the diaper from his ear and use it on his ass.
dmsilev
“Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people”
Almost Retired
Is it too soon to say I”m impressed by the moderators?
Leto
@Chief Oshkosh: that Donald Trumpov was fired by 81 million people, and he’s having a hard time processing that – MVP
Misterpuff
Go Donald, the election Big Lie, and the rant goes on.
Its all about him, always always. I am the Only One Who Can Fix This horrible horrible country!
kalakal
“They said we didn’t have standing” “a technicality!”
sdhays
“Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people, and he’s clearly having a hard time processing that.”
Mowgli
“Having trouble processing it…”
She is gutting him so beautifully.
hilts
Kamala is crushing it against this pathetic clown.
Chet Murthy
Goddamn, I’m glad I decided to start watching (around when they were talking about abortion). This is lit!
Another Scott
Viktor Orban!!
Cheers,
Scott.
SpaceUnit
Honestly I didn’t expect ABC to manage this debate. They’re doing quite well so far.
zhena gogolia
VICTOR ORBAN LIKES ME
Bill Arnold
Praising Viktor Orban, pro-Russia former bagman for the Russian mafia (Bratva),
Hah.
Leto
Doesn’t know what a “strongman” is, but that applies to like 99% of existence for him.
SiubhanDuinne
I’m taking back my criticism of David Muir upthread. He gets more and more impressive as this continues.
Mousebumples
@Chief Oshkosh: way to go! I have got 10 more done to Wisconsin, more in progress.
I’m watching now. Kamala is masterful.
zhena gogolia
@Almost Retired: They’re certainly better than CNN, by a long shot.
dmsilev
Wasn’t there supposed to be a commercial break by now? Not really complaining.
SpaceUnit
Drop the Russian puppet line now, KH!
Lily
Make him madder
Mousebumples
@Leto: looooove that.
You’re fired, Trump!
Elizabelle
We have a nation that is dying ….
David Muir: Thank you Mr President.
Kamala: Donald Trump was fired by 80 million people. Says world leaders are laughing at him.
Brings up his temperament.
He rebuts by quoting Victor Orban,
hrprogressive
When your first defense about world leaders that support you is Viktor Fucking Orban…
Not the W you think it is, Old Man.
lamh47
Here’s how you know Chump is losing this debate so far…folks like Julia here…trying to do the “well HRC won the debate…” and not acknowledging that Harris is doing more than what HRC did… This way once the debate is over and Harris is likely the clear winner…they can say…”oh but HRC won vs Chump too…”
sixthdoctor
I hope Joe Biden is watching this with an ice cream cone in one hand and a phat blunt in the other.
Torrey
@SpaceUnit:
Me too. Is our journalists learning?
BlueDWarrior
I really like how he was talking about “closing the border”. To close the border by executive fiat would basically be akin to shooting our macro-economy in the belly. May or may not be fatal depending on exactly where and how long you bleed.
Elizabelle
David Muir has done well here.
Trump Says Biden hates Kamala.
zhena gogolia
@lamh47: God, I hate that blase attitude.
Geminid
@SiubhanDuinne: Trump’s doctors:
“Weird comes in, weird goes out. You can’t explain why.”
Elizabelle
I think foreign leaders are watching this debate and spitting their coffee.
hrprogressive
MVP’s refrain of “Let’s understand how we got here” before she gives her answer is a nice way to let people know that she’s gonna explain a situation to them.
SpaceUnit
@Torrey:
Maybe? Dare we hope?
Barbara
@SpaceUnit: From what I remember they were the best moderators in 2012.
lamh47
BLOOP…
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@zhena gogolia:
My old, blind, hard-of-hearing cat, would have done better than Tapper & Bash…by a long shot.
But good on the two at ABC for showing how it can be done.
sdhays
Trump doesn’t know that Russia was in Ukraine during his entire Presidency.
TheronWare
Why are they calling him “President Trump”?
Lily
She hates *you* D. J.
Leto
How would you solve the Israel/Palestine conflict?
Harris: thoughtful, compassionate answer
Trumpov: ISRAEL WILL NO LONGER EXIST! SHE HATES ARABS! SHE HATES EVERYONE!
Terrah… big spears (not spheres) of terrah!
wenchacha
Like we all think Orban is a great guy
RaflW
Trump says Biden hates her.
Says she hates Israel.
It’s clear he’s the one consumed with hate.
eta: @Lily That’s possible, though I think she really just pities him.
Elizabelle
Kamala is an equal opportunity hater of Israel and Arabs. Uh huh.
Misterpuff
I’ve been pretty good at predictions.
Yeah Biden was going to bust into the DNC and take his candidacy back like the Kool-Aid Man!
SiubhanDuinne
@lamh47:
That was a moment of pure beauty. (One of many MVP has provided tonight.)
hrprogressive
“It is so well known that all these autocrats are rooting for you, because they know they can manipulate you with flattery”
Damn! Lit him up.
Bill Arnold
He is easily manipulated with flattery and favors. :-)
SpaceUnit
You are a disgrace.
Holy shit.
HumboldtBlue
What the fuck is “historic” about this debate? This is a clown show.
Mousebumples
He’s talking in circles. Lying circles, but still circles. Running out of talking points?
Elizabelle
Calls Trump weak on foreign policy. Autocrats want him back because he is so easily manipulated.
Leto
Laying out what a boot licker to dictators he is… love letters to Kim.
The moderator tried to interrupt Harris and MVP gave her the “nope, not today” hands. And then they just let the asswipe blurt on in.
SpaceUnit
Goddamn. I’m going to take advantage of this break to pour a drink.
3Sice
Who the hell is Victor Orban?
dmsilev
OK, take a deep breath.
For those unicorns known as undecided voters, this should have been …clarifying.
Elizabelle
Only one of these candidates lives in the real world.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@sixthdoctor:
Most people I know 75+ who use such products, use edibles.
That being said, as a Federal employee, it’s still illegal to use marijuana in any form. That goes back to a Fucking Reagan Exec Order. The Biden Administration has been taking very slow steps to declassify pot as THE MOST DANGEROUS DRUG EVER but it’s been a slow road.
RinaX
Damn. I mean, damn. She is killing him. Please don’t stop, even if he seems dead.
Chief Oshkosh
@Mousebumples: Good job, Mousebumples! That’s at least 30 tonight.
Sadly, I’ve run out of gin, though. It’s my postcard-writing rocket fuel.
Ah well, that’s why god made liquor stores, and in his great beneficence, planted one right on my way home from work.
Seanly
I would like if the moderators would stop letting Trump have another minute to close out each topic.
Old Dan and Little Ann
I bought my wife a Kamala action figure about 4 Christmas seasons ago. It’s still in the box and has been sitting on our bookshelf since. Tonight she is on our coffee table next to some red wine.
trollhattan
Welp, a few random minutes seals the notion of nah-gah-watch.
How can one human be such an enormous pile of sewage? (TBF: his practically saying “I was born a poor black child” was pretty epic and on-brand.)
Elizabelle
And. The ad is for a Joker movie.
Placement! Lol.
Kay
Erik Erikson and Christopher Rufo are upset too. It’s great.
zhena gogolia
@dmsilev: I do feel she is making more of an impact than is usually possible during one of these. But what do I know? I thought Mondale kicked Reagan’s ass.
dmsilev
@SpaceUnit: Yeah, this is quite something.
RaflW
@Bill Arnold: Kamala has also shown that he’s easily manipulated by just saying “People leave your rallies because they’re confusing and get bored.”
hrprogressive
@3Sice:
Hungary’s autocratic leader.
Leto
@Mousebumples: listen: much like the Apollo computers, Trumpov’s magnetic tape storage system can only hold so much. Immigration, migrants, Nord Stream… I think we’ve hit our limit. Trumpovbot v1.1 will launch soon. Just as soon as Apartheid Clyde fixes the bugs…
Central Planning
I hope nobody is playing the “Drink if Trump lies game”. Lots of death by alcohol poisoning if so.
Mousebumples
@Chief Oshkosh: nice! Happy postcarding to you and others. 👏👏
Misterpuff
Seems like that needs a Simpsons reference.
dmsilev
@Kay: It’s a tag-team, so to speak, because his lies have been so blatant and so continuous that even professional journalists couldn’t overlook them. Which is quite a feat, when you think about it.
Elizabelle
Is anyone gonna watch Fox News after this one?
The Audacity of Krope
It is being recorded. Not much technically required to be history.
Sally
On the abortion Q (I know I’m behind on this). Does he consider all the children shot in schools “post birth abortions”? So they can blame democrats for school shootings.
RaflW
@Kay: Ohhh, the cries about ABC being soooo unfair will be endless. We need to just laugh our assess off at them for how pathetic their whining is.
Leto
@dmsilev: MSNBC has two of the same
moronsback from the first debate so they can talk about this debate, along with like 4-5 other new undecideds. I just can’t with these people. I don’t know what magical phrase MVP has to utter for the scales to fall from their eyes. I think it’s performative on the “undecided” people just to get on tv.comrade scotts agenda of rage
@zhena gogolia:
So, so true. But it’s a totally different media environment. Wait, wtf did I just say? I’ll need to wait and hear what my wife says the Totebagger Radio shits say in the morning to know what really happened.
//
dmsilev
@Central Planning: Anyone stupid enough to play that game killed their liver years ago.
lamh47
Not him taking digs at the AKAs…smhChile…where is the “throw in the towel” GIF…cause baby he needed this break. She was TEARING him up. She had him on the ropes at the “crowd size” quip and was NOT letting up
TS
@SpaceUnit:
Excuse me – they are so biased, the only media that can run an unbiased debate is FoxNews – and that’s where any further debates will be held
hahahahahahahaha
hrprogressive
The first debate thread was full of dread.
Not seeing it here.
For good reason. MVP is crushing it. She took a few minutes to steady herself at the outset, but since then, she’s been pitch-perfect.
CFDT has sounded like a low-energy, brain-addled madman who needs to be committed for his own safety, not ready to be POTUS a second time.
He’s not doing a damn thing to convince anyone to vote for him who wasn’t already gonna do it, and there’s no “Sleepy Joe” for the so-called “double haters” to not enjoy.
I know in the modern era debates isn’t exactly the best predictor of future performance, but I can say Kamala Harris is doing very well, and CFDT doesn’t sound nearly as focused or on message as he did in the first half an hour of the original debate.
Mousebumples
Central Planning
Does Trump think we can control what other nations do in their best interests, like the Nordstream pipeline?
sdhays
I started watching. I hate debates, but it’s not bad. MVP is obviously doing well.
They’re letting Trump word-vomit too much. He just seems to be allowed to go on and on and on and always gets the last word. I wish the moderators would be more disciplined, but I’m not sure it really helps him because he’s just spewing random verbal diarrhea.
Leto
@Sally: the logic on that is sound, so I don’t see why not.
Primer Gray (formerly Yet Another Jeff
This is becoming a very uncomfortably gritty reimagining of Death of a Salesman….
John S.
@Seanly:
That was my initial complaint. But by letting him do it, it completely negates having his microphone muted.
So yet again, Trump undermines his own campaign.
Chet Murthy
@Leto: He keeps coming back again and again to immigration. He -doesn’t- keep coming back to trans folks, or LGBTQ folks. I think this means they’ve decided who their bogeyman is for the rest of the campaign: it’s immigrants.
I expect a dramatic runup in the number and severity of libels against immigrants.
RaflW
Trump won’t say he wants Ukraine to win.
“I want it settled.” Fucker.
OGLiberal
I can’t watch, won’t watch, but debates don’t matter until the decide one of the participants is great-grandpa wandering around in a robe talking about sock hops. Also, his insanity is normal wing-nut speak. You may hear it rarely when they mistakenly let their guard down around some normals. That’s why this is a battle to the end, no matter how well she does. For every Cheney who switches sides there are 20 lunatics who would crawl over racoon inards to vote for this nut. That said, glad to hear she’s doing well…need that for enthusiasm for the folks committed to Harris or leaning towards.
Leto
@Mousebumples: caught those lying Dems again!!! /s
dmsilev
“I want to ask you a simple question”
….says something completely different.
(shock, surprise, shock…)
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Central Planning:
Ah, that brings back memories of playing “The Bob Game” in college and “The Dick Game” for several years after college. (both Bob Newhart-related to the binge-drinking uninitiated).
Elizabelle
Do you want Ukraine to win this war?
Trump talks about money and NATO.
Mousebumples
PsiFighter37
Someone needs to tell me if Dave Wasserman is making stupid comments tonight or not. He blocked me after I drunkenly called him a name in response to one of his asinine race change ratings.
Nate Silver is awfully quiet so far.
p.a.
Can’t watch him. Following here & tpm. Sounds good! Sounds like Muir may need protection from t’s goonsquad after this.
Soprano2
I’ve been laughing, he’s so out of control. The people who like him don’t understand how he sounds to normal people. Half of what he babbles is incomprehensible to normies.
frosty
May I just say I love the REFRESH button. Kudos to JGC and WG and all the rest who set it up. The other three things I’m following don’t have this. I have to click on the URL then scroll back down to where I was. REFRESH is great!
Chacal Charles Calthrop
I think she’s stealing the scene by rolling her eyes and reacting to his nonsense. She acts as if the camera is always on her, which is good.
Andrew Abshier
@zhena gogolia: Mondale did in the first debate. It was like Trump-Biden this cycle but with St. Ronnie in the Biden role. But second debate, St. Ronnie rolled out his quip about not making an issue of the youth and inexperience of his opponent, and that’s all that got reported.
Scout211
Every time I peek in and watch, there is that flying right hand of his moving back and forth with every word. If they handcuff him will his speech stop?
Someone please handcuff him.
SpaceUnit
Let’s get this war done!!
Ceci n est pas mon nym
I think she’s doing a marvelous job of needling him, and basically every Gish Gallop has circled back to “immigrants ruining our country”. You’d have to be pretty clueless to notice that he hasn’t answered any questions.
And yep, he pulled out the “Haitians are eating pets” thing. That was so blatant that the moderators did point out it’s caca. Didn’t slow him down.
Leto
@Chet Murthy: agreed, though that’s what he’s been running on for at least the past month if not more. The down ballot slimes are starting to pick up on that line as well. Living here in PA, seeing/hearing more of those commercials on tv/radio. They’ll slip in some other things, but it all centers on immigration.
Threw him out of the campaign like a dog… haven’t heard the “like a dog” line in quite a while. Falling back on the oldies now.
Trivia Man
Screaming at my TV… if you negotiate with Putin after the election but before innauguration that is a crime. Logan Act rig a bell?
lamh47
All the proof you need is to read some of the blue check MAGA responsed to Jemele’s tweet.
Citizen Alan
@Geminid: The evangelicals would be thrilled by world war 3. They think they’ll be teleported up to heaven before the bombs start falling.
Elizabelle
Unfortunately, left because our country has gone to hell.
In other words, they fired him.
Trivia Man
“I remind you, Biden is not running, you are running against me”
Leto
Reminding him he’s not running against Joe Biden, he’s running against her… hahahahahaha
Geminid
@3Sice: A lot of viewers are saying that. Maybe they’ll look Orban up. If they do they won’t be very impressed by that tinhorn or his endorsement of Trump.
I wonder if Orban considers himself a MAGA-yar.
hrprogressive
“Good to remind the former president he’s not running against Joe Biden, but me”
HAHAHA
Elizabelle
Trump would not say he wanted Ukraine to win. Wouldn’t touch it.
Wag
Righteous defense. And righteous anger. Harris is doing well.
Torrey
He’s yelling now.
And MVP just reminded Trump that he’s not running against Biden. Good one! She clarifies what needs to happen WRT the Russian invasion of Ukraine, points out that Trump would “solve the problem” by giving up.
And she is great on NATO and Polish Americans.
Leto
@Trivia Man: Only if you’re prosecuted!
HumboldtBlue
Eat you for lunch.
SpaceUnit
Damn!
Bostondreams
@Chet Murthy: he DID combine the two though, with a bit of ‘criminal’ thrown in too.
zhena gogolia
@Geminid: Oooh, bad.
Mousebumples
@PsiFighter37:
Elizabelle
I see a President debating a criminal.
Ohio Mom
@Geminid: That is a terrible, delicious pun.
Sign me,
My maternal grandmother was Hungarian
lamh47
“You’re not running against Joe Biden, you’re running against me!”
LET HIM KNO KAMALA!!!!!!
dmsilev
Nobody ever thinks about Russian nuclear weapons?
citizen dave
@sdhays: Have also noted that–trump getting so many improper rebuttals. Of course, he is bat shit crazy so letting him talk helps our cause anyway. But would love Kamala to point it out at some point, how this cowardly man HAS to get the last word
SpaceUnit
Nuclear weapons. Nobody ever thinks about that.
JoeyJoeJoe
@Misterpuff: there is one; from the Homey the Klown episode. Homer, playing Krusty, visits a KrustyBurger and beats the hamburglar until a boy starts crying and begging Homer to stop, saying “he’s already dead “
zhena gogolia
@Elizabelle: This is what makes it impossible for me to watch. How can we be here as a country????
Leto
“Who would eat you for lunch” – STOP, STOP! HE’S DEAD ALREADY!
Ramblings of an insane raccoon caught in the trash can.
Tony G
@hrprogressive: Actually, in a sane world Reagan would never have been elected president.
Omnes Omnibus
@Misterpuff: Maybe this?
Central Planning
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: our binge drinking game was called “you drink”’and it goes pretty much how you would think. Thankfully our frontal lobes were developed enough to get us to pass out quickly.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
DougJ on target:
Harris seems a little overprepared for this debate.
Elizabelle
Trump brings up Putin’s nuclear weapons.
I give him points for being able to pronounce nuclear.
Blames the Ukraine war on Kamala.
Anotherlurker
@RaflW: Madam VP should start calling him Donnie. I’m sure that would further rattle the psyche of this legacy WATB.
Leto
@Omnes Omnibus: always that. So, so good.
Mousebumples
lamh47
sdhays
JFC, why the fuck do they keep letting him demand the last word.
Why bother with rules?
Andrew Abshier
@Anotherlurker: HRC did that in her debates. She knew he hated being called “Donald.”
hrprogressive
@Tony G:
True!
Elizabelle
Kamala has been amazing.
HumboldtBlue
He looks like a toad in profile.
Marleedog
Shooting for the coveted 498th slot so that Cain can get 499.
Leto
Good, bring that fucking question back to his shit agreement with the Taliban. Motherfucker.
Gin & Tonic
TBogg?
Regnad Kcin
@Tony G: preach, brother
Omnes Omnibus
@HumboldtBlue: Don’t defame toads.
zhena gogolia
@HumboldtBlue: He keeps making that Joker face while she’s talking. HOW CAN ANYONE WANT TO VOTE FOR HIM
Starfish
@sdhays: I am not bothered. That just shows who he is and how she is getting under his skin.
Elizabelle
Great. She brings up the Afg constraints.
dmsilev
“This …. ….. …. former President”
I really want to know what she was thinking in that pregnant pause.
SpaceUnit
@sdhays:
Actually, I’m now sorta glad he’s getting the last word.
Leto
@Gin & Tonic: you know it.
sdhays
“And this…………..former President…”
Hahaha! She almost said, “This mother-fucker…”
Leto
@dmsilev: well, she had the right to choose…
Wag
Trump looks like Gollum. Making faces and looking like he wants his precious again.
Elizabelle
Kamala has made a lot of closing statements in this debate.
hrprogressive
MVP just spent the last 5 minutes sounding strong as fuck on national security, foreign policy, and the type of American patriotism one can actually be proud of.
HumboldtBlue
HE’S NOT THE FUCKING PRESIDENT
Omnes Omnibus
Beautiful military equipment?
Gin & Tonic
@Elizabelle:
Nobody in the current administration will say that either.
Leto
She’s shaking her head like he’s lost his goddamned mind… and she’s not wrong.
Trivia Man
“Those are your words”
“I don’t know” <shrug>
Misterpuff
Harris pinned the Afghan Pullout on Trump, and its not FAAAAAIIIIRR!
Chet Murthy
@SpaceUnit: “I’m now sorta glad he’s getting the last word.”
It’s so true, innit? He just -rants-. Rants.
Eolirin
@Gin & Tonic: They’ll say it, they just won’t do what’s necessary to make it happen.
citizen dave
His “Abdul” kills me. I wondered if somehow the Alec Baldwin version of the guy is doing this event
Orange Man “I don’t care what she is”
Trivia Man
@citizen dave: I think the gem of the night was her invitation – Go see his rally.
Implied: it will terrify you
Trivia Man
Central Park 5 shout out – awesome
Kay
Bernard Goldberg
@BernardGoldberg
18m
I don’t like Kamala Harris. I don’t trust her. I don’t like her policies. And, as a friend says, she’s mopping the floor with him.
Leto
@HumboldtBlue: yeah, I have the same problem here. She’s the sitting VP, he’s currently a felon. The current President is sitting in 1600 Penn atm. Stop addressing him with that title and use the proper one: felon!
tam1MI
Did he just say Kamala Harris put out?
Omnes Omnibus
She just called him a racist slumlord.
Mousebumples
How long is this going to go? We’re getting to my bedtime but I’m wanting to see her closing argument…
hrprogressive
@Gin & Tonic:
And unfortunately she didn’t say it explicitly either.
But I am hopeful her team will be more robust than Biden’s has been.
Central Planning
Jonny Worldbeater @jonnyworldbeater.bsky.social
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10m
I’m just picturing everyone at Fox News freaking out an impotently demanding they turn the feed off like Don Ameche at the end of ‘Trading Places’. “TURN THEM OFF! TURN ALL THE FEEDS OFF!!!”
Wag
Harris is on fire. Trump is going to melt down after this and I’m here for it.
hrprogressive
@Mousebumples:
It should be wrapping up shortly, they claimed it was only 90 mins and it started at 9pm EST
Trivia Man
@Tony G: Reagan as governor set these wheels in motion. Slippery slope in action.
2liberal
Texas is in play.
SpaceUnit
@Chet Murthy:
Yeah. That’s what I want the normies to remember.
HumboldtBlue
He can’t look at her, she’s talking directly to him, he can’t look back at her.
wombat probability cloud
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: We used to do it with how many people The Rifleman shot per episode in college. Oy.
Elizabelle
She brings up his division by race. Now the Central Park Five. Birther lies.
dmsilev
@Omnes Omnibus: Well, he got that from his father.
TS
@lamh47:
Of course they are – and they will blame MVP because she is an uppity woman who knows too much. Can’t have a president who knows too much, they might do well by the American people rather than enhance themselves.
Trivia Man
@Anotherlurker: or emphasize the second syllable … Don OLD
Harrison Wesley
@grubert: There’s a 1950’s sci-fi movie wandering around there…..
Mousebumples
@hrprogressive: 👍 Thanks!
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
@Kay:
when Dump’s own propagandists admit he lost, he lost
tam1MI
@HumboldtBlue: He has avoided meeting her eyes the entire time they have been on stage. Like the coward he is.
Leto
If you want to see his plan, just look at Project2025. Ezpz
Trivia Man
@Elizabelle: One of my key points for tonight – she nailed the specifics that can be replayed and dissected at leisure. Concise, true, devastating.
hrprogressive
“I am clearly not Joe Biden nor am I Donald Trump. I am a new generation of leadership”
Well, there you go.
zhena gogolia
@tam1MI: Her walking over to shake his hand at the beginning was a great way to start. He was caught off guard.
Torrey
“New generation of leadership”; “let’s talk about plans” and she points out that he’s constantly putting down the US, “belittling” and “name-calling.”
Mousebumples
He’s like a chatty Cathy doll. Same things every time he opens his mouth.
citizen dave
@2liberal: Texas has shitload of solar of wind; and oil and gas.
Looked it up: Far and away #1 in wind; #2 in solar, but roughly half of California in solar.
WaterGirl
@frosty: That was my request to the developers because it made me crazy trying to refresh on the phone on the old site. (pat, pat, pat)
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
Super TBogg
tam1MI
THEY EFFIN’ SHUT HARRIS DOWN WHEN SHE TRIES TO REBUT BUT THEY HAVE LET TRUMP REBUT EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!!
Chet Murthy
He’s losing it!
Kay
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch:
Mychael Schnell
@mychaelschnell
Debate reax from a House Republican who backs Trump: “I’m just sad.” “She knew exactly where to cut to get under his skin. Just overall disappointing that he isn’t being more composed like the first debate. The road just got very narrow. “This is not good,” they told
@thehill
citizen dave
@zhena gogolia: Had the same thought about 45 minutes ago. Hopefully he’s not carrying something–covid.
Lindsey Davis to Orange Man after his BS: “Just to be clear, you still don’t have a [health care] plan” ?
He is the crazy man on the train/plane ranting that you want to get far far away from.
hueyplong
Any mention of Hannibal the Cannibal?
Leto
Do you have a plan? Seriously? C’mon now…
dmsilev
He’s not doing himself any favors with the rambling and interjections.
Chet Murthy
@tam1MI: I actually think it’s great! He’s ranting and raving, and everybody sees it! I mean, sure, in academic terms it’s unfair. But given what TCFG is, it’s great!
Mousebumples
He admitted he’s not President right now! That must have hurt.
Leto
@tam1MI: Yup; not happy with that.
dmsilev
“I have concepts of a plan”
We’ll all take that as a no.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
I’m irritated that he’s going to have the closing statement.
Omnes Omnibus
@hueyplong: Harris called him out on it.
Trivia Man
“You still don’t have a plan?” to replace ACA
“I’m not president. If I’m president we’ll come up with a plan”
Elizabelle
@tam1MI: noticed that
Another Scott
I have concepts of a plan!! Options!!
Cheers,
Scott.
w_seattle
awesome: “concepts of a plan”
HumboldtBlue
“I have concepts of a plan” he mewls in his little boy sing-song voice… What the actual fuck…
sdhays
Oh, Donald Trump saved Obamacare! Wow! I missed that!
Leto
Yes or no, do you have a plan? He goes on insane ramble, and you can hear her laugh in the background; luuuuul
Nix Besser
So, you don’t have a plan. Brilliant.
Chet Murthy
“So just yes or no, you still do not have a plan?”
What a weak-ass fucking grifter.
SiubhanDuinne
ABC Mod: “Do you have a plan?”
(TCFFG): “I have concepts of a plan.”
hrprogressive
She went back to respond!
“Tim Walz and I are gun owners, we aren’t coming to take your guns away”.
Boom.
Misterpuff
I have concepts of a plan ….. it’s called Project 2025.
Trivia Man
McCain taunts and hammer it hard!
Leto
@dmsilev: And Rmoney had binders of women.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
Prediction: “No, I capped the cost of drugs”
Chet Murthy
Oh yes! Pre-existing conditions Yes! Hammer that fucker!
lamh47
they are allowin him go overspeak and not muting his mic
Letting him speak is helping her, but yes, it’s noticeable!
SpaceUnit
I love the camera shot from the side that makes trump look like a toad taking a shit.
Almost Retired
Look at Trump while she’s speaking. He’s recreating his mug shot.
SiubhanDuinne
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
I was too, at first, but now I think it’s perfect — the last things viewers will remember is some insane drug- and rage-fuelled rant. That should leave a strong negative impression.
TS
She has ALL the right facial dynamics – He has hate – nothing else there and the disciples see it and copy it. She knows when to laugh, cry, frown, smile. brilliant.
And they let him interrupt again and again
Soprano2
Why don’t they mute his mic?!!!
SiubhanDuinne
@Almost Retired:
Exactly what occurred to me!
SpaceUnit
And I love these debate moderators cutting trump off.
lamh47
“concept of a plan” reminds me of Romney’s “binder full of women”
Bill Arnold
The moderators are treating Trump like an unruly obnoxious child. And rightly so.
Kent
OMG, I think this is literally the first time Climate Change has ever come up in a debate. Seriously.
TS
Seems I was right (not like me), they are going to continue till they run out of questions!
Elizabelle
They should cut Trump’s mike.
climate change Q
WaterGirl
@Almost Retired:
Yes! I have been thinking that since nearly the beginning of the debate.
Chet Murthy
I gotta say, I’m glad I’m listening to this. I feel much better for having listened to this.
Leto
@lamh47: @Soprano2: noticed it all night, and it’s irritated the shit out of me all night. I know the Harris campaign wanted it, but it’s fucking disgusting. I hope the normies feel the same.
Mousebumples
His new name is Concepts For A Popehat
citizen dave
On twitter now: “Bats now use the term “Trumpshit Crazy” “
Bostondreams
@Soprano2: Honestly, I think it works for her. He will accuse the moderators of bias…but it can be pointed out that he talked WAAAAAAAY more than her..plus he sounds like a loon.
Spanky
@Soprano2: The Harris campaign wanted them unmuted and the Trump side refused. This isn’t a problem.
TheronWare
They keep letting him run is flatulent mouth when it’s time to move on to the next topic!
hueyplong
@SpaceUnit: How do you know Trump isn’t taking a shit?
Leto
Ofc he jumps on the economic part, but we all know he doesn’t have a climate plan. Fucker stares directly into the sun. Dumbass.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
Did Hunter Biden just get namechecked?
TS
Word salad when asked about climate change.
HumboldtBlue
THE MAYOR OF MOSCOW’S WIFE HAS ENTERED THE MOTHERFUCKING CHAT!!!!!!!!
Elizabelle
These people.
Central Planning
China? Every accusation is a confession.
Leto
Someone remind him again that Biden isn’t running, nor is Hunter.
Yarrow
@tam1MI: The more he talks the worse it is for him. I’m okay with it.
zhena gogolia
@citizen dave: lol
Chet Murthy
@TheronWare: If he could use the time profitably, it’d be a problem. But he just rants and raves! Now he’s bringin’ up Hunter Biden! It’s brilliant!
Wag
@TS: They’re letting him dig himself deeper and deeper.
hrprogressive
“Hunter Biden! China! Russia!”
Not a damn word about climate change, just more fascist buzzwords.
Harris has crushed him.
dmsilev
I don’t normally do this, but I think I’ll keep the tv on after the closing statements. Morbidly curious to see how ABC’s talking heads wrap themselves around this.
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
@Kay:
Leto
@Central Planning: excuse me, that’s GYNA!
SpaceUnit
@hueyplong:
Having watched this debate, I’m assuming he is.
Sister Golden Bear
@WaterGirl: And Trump has never looked at it her. He can’t look at her.
SiubhanDuinne
Just gonna say this once. I’m really, really glad I quit smoking 30-odd years ago, because otherwise I would have killed a couple of packs already just since this began.
tam1MI
@Kent: I seem to recall that Al Gore identified Climate Change as the single biggest issue facing the country when he was running in 2000. I believe he reiterated that sentiment at a debate or town hall.
Elizabelle
More Joker movie advertising.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@sdhays:
Not to mention all those consecutive Infrastructure Weeks. I know them well because Elaine Fucking Chow would always email everybody in DOT about them.
//
No One of Consequence
@Leto: *eclipse* no less
cain
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
His closing statement can be summarized by applying chatgpt on the debate and just summarize the 3 themes of his debate
SatanicPanic
Trump is so mad
Buggrit
Wow. This is Batshit vs the Barrister.
SiubhanDuinne
@Yarrow:
Okay with it? I’m fucking LOVING it!!
The Thin Black Duke
Now we know why Trump’s lawyers didn’t let him speak at the E. Jean Carroll trial.
lamh47
@Bostondreams: Oh…the talking point is already out that it’s the moderators.
Spanky
@tam1MI: Yeah, but Al Gore was fat, so climate change is a hoax.
TS
I think I heard Rachel say Tim Walz is going to be on MSNBC after closing statements – anyone else hear that?
Looking forward to Trump’s closing – going to be a dozy – and I mute him 99.9% of the time. Might listen this time
Not getting any work done today, going to be a long night on this side of the equator.
lamh47
One more break!
LET’S FINISH HIM KAMALA!!!
Geminid
@WaterGirl: That’s what I did when I found this place 5 years ago. Then one day I noticed the refresh button and thought, “I wonder what this does?” I’m what they call a slow adopter.
Mai Naem mobile
He’s just throwing whatever he can at the wall to see what will stick and he sounds bigly pissed off. I love the way Harris keeps on going back to positive stuff after she skewers him.
Central Planning
@Leto: I apologize. I was acting like big media and correcting what he said.
Elizabelle
@Buggrit: love it
sdhays
@lamh47: Yeah, I think this is going to be a viral moment. It’s so mockable.
Leto
@Central Planning: 😜
Mai Naem mobile
@TS: yes I heard that. I hope Pete’s going on FOX.
Elizabelle
@TS: If I may, where are you??
Primer Gray (formerly Yet Another Jeff
Closing my remarks…he’s going to break my heart again. I keep hoping beyond hope that every time he finishes a speech or a comment, that he’ll pause…look directly into the camera, and say “The Aristocrats!” before walking away, never to be heard from again…
khead
@Mousebumples:
Nine years. It’s like being a senior in high school but you still haven’t completed your 3rd grade final project.
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
ActBlue is exploding 🎇 in response to Kamala kicking his ass. It’s 11 PM and a staggering $6.5 million raised in the past 30 minutes.
Sally
@WaterGirl: You did a brilliant job.
Geminid
@Sister Golden Bear: He’s scared of Harris.
tam1MI
That and the “80 million people said you’re fired” line.
Mousebumples
zhena gogolia
Uh-oh, “lethal fighting force.” I want one of those flower power armies!
Omnes Omnibus
@khead: I have a recurring dream that’s like that.
Lobo
@tam1MI: What’s the viral moment?
Leto
@Mousebumples: and man did he take the bit and run with it. Brilliant strategy.
“Why hasn’t she done it?” Because she’s VP you moran! But don’t worry, in 56 days she’ll be President-elect, and in Jan she’ll be President.
TS
@Elizabelle:
Australia – its 12.45pm here & I thought I could work while watching the debate – MVP stopped all that
w_seattle
also awesome: “we’re not going to frack”
tam1MI
@Lobo: “Concepts of a plan”.
No One of Consequence
Is anyone else as happy as I am that they did not broadcast this in Smell-O-vision?
sdhays
@tam1MI: Oh, yeah. That’s going to be an ad running just in West Palm Beach.
SiubhanDuinne
Shallow but heartfelt observation: MVP looks absolutely gorgeous. Her hair looks great; her colorist is a genius. Not a requirement for POTUS, but it’s nice to be reminded that she can and does bring the glam.
Ken
Nominated!
Bostondreams
@Lobo: he has a ‘concept of a plan’ for replacing Obamacare
Kent
He doesn’t even have prepared closing remarks. He is just ranting at random
lamh47
MVP Harris had him azz shook since the crowd size comment. https://media1.tenor.com/m/6C-6YhMqTPYAAAAd/the-simpsons-heart-broken.gif
Elizabelle
Fantasy Land.
K-Mo
Very happy with the results tonight. She word the floor with him. It was brutal and thoroughgoing.
Chet Murthy
Well, Gooooooolllllyyyyy! Shazam Shazam! Just amazing.
Central Planning
She gave the military to Afghanistan and the taliban? I know I’ve thought this about 1000 times during the debate, but WTAF?
Leto
For people who had Hannibal Lector as their final Bingo square… well, the bar is over there. Good night!
Edit: 669 and doin’ fine… nice…
zhena gogolia
OMG his closing statement is FRIGHTENING
lamh47
TS
Rachel is killing it on the body control!!
mrmoshpotato
The orange shitstain really needs to smile more and stop being a pouty sack of shit.
SpaceUnit
The ABC moderators did well, but I think I’m going to switch over to maybe MSNBC for the follow up.
HumboldtBlue
THE MAYOR OF MOSCOW’S WIFE HAS ENTERED THE CHAT!!!!!
tam1MI
ABC moderators saying that Harris mopped the floor with Trump.
Regnad Kcin
@lamh47: random punct peeve: especially when praising MVP, use the appositive comma… la?
sdhays
The Donvict just spent the entire time of his closing statement talking about Kamala Harris. Not one word about what he is going to do or how great he is. I wonder if that was the plan or if she so goaded him into a rage that he got completely stuck on whining.
I’m skeptical that was an effective use of his time.
Trivia Man
@Chet Murthy: I was a definite watch tonight – happy I did. IMHO clips and summaries only go so far.
Elizabelle
Raddatz didn’t hear any policies or plans from either side.
Bullshit.
frosty
Another Scott
@Kent: Yup.
Something something goaded by a Tweet. – HRC.
Masterful performance by MVP. Anyone undecided who saw this and decided based on it to vote for him, well, there’s something really wrong with that person.
Team D should be fired up! Forward!!
Cheers,
Scott.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
We’ve seen a lot of the joyful Kamala. Tonight she showed us the passion and anger and seriousness, which I think can only help.
And we also saw the smile. But it was a mocking, incredulous, “how does this guy remember to inhale and exhale” smile.
Elizabelle
@lamh47: Truth
Yarrow
Best debate ever. Kamala Harris was amazing. Glad I watched.
Kent
OK, he probably did.
I think this was the first time it came up as a moderator question.
zhena gogolia
@Elizabelle: Oh my f-ing god what an idiot
Chet Murthy
lamh47
they already were going after the moderators, so that’s what Faux News is doing now, but even Brit Hume had to admit
Marleedog
@WaterGirl:
Now just get the back button to work.😎
Leto
@Elizabelle: hard to hear anything with her head so far up her own ass.
Spanky
@zhena gogolia: Just earning her paycheck.
Ksmiami
I didn’t watch, only saw his visage on screen when I went for a water… Trump is Ooooollllddddd
zhena gogolia
@lamh47: Oh, that’s also BS. He’s the same as he always is. They just decided to notice. She was brilliant.
Elizabelle
Is there a post-debate thread?
Scout211
Post-debate thread upstairs.
Torrey
I have just turned off NBC, since they’ve gone to the “spin room” and are more interested in reporting on what each of the campaigns SAY happened than on what an expert (like, oh, I don’t know, maybe Michael Beschloss or a professional debate coach or a professor of rhetoric with a specialization in political rhetoric) has to say.
Leto
@Elizabelle: no; double TBogg or bust!
zhena gogolia
@Ksmiami: He looked bad. That Joker face he makes would embarrass Cesar Romero.
hrprogressive
MVP Harris was concise, poised, and masterful in the way she responded.
I didn’t hear anything I didn’t like, save one small piece on fracking which I thought was a missed opportunity to talk about clean energy.
MVP was viscous when she attacked him, but did it with a smile, and a “I wish a motherfucker would” attitude.
She articulated concrete proposals, concrete ideas, and stood fast on her principles.
To everyone who thought Joe got clobbered by CFDT 2 months ago…this is the complete opposite.
MVP just annihilated a man who sounds like he’s out of his league, out of his gourd, and out of touch with what everyone outside of the Fascist GOP alone want.
Leto
FYI- MSNBC is supposed to have Tim Walz coming up soon.
Ksmiami
@zhena gogolia: his face looked stringy
Elizabelle
@Leto: That will be election night.
catclub
@sdhays: yep
Seanly
Tim Walz just mentioned about Trump looking like an old man yelling at the clouds which is what I was feeling.
Not going to listen to Vance as he’s just as bad as Trump.
SatanicPanic
Good job by Harris. Trump looked angry and nutso.
zhena gogolia
New thread up.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
Don’t know if this point was already made, but if possible throw a few bucks into kamalaharris.com tonight, on top of what you may already be giving, to give them fundraising stats to crow about tomorrow.
WaterGirl
@Marleedog: You’re on Chrome? Or Firefox?
Leto
@Elizabelle: we’ll make it so
Marleedog
@WaterGirl: Samsung s21 w/Chrome.
Sometimes works, mostly doesn’t, but in the big scheme of things, ’tis a minor complaint.
Elizabelle
@Leto: Yessss!
Elizabelle
Taylor Swift endorses Harris Walz.
SectionH
@Geminid: I usually lurk and it’s probably too late but that was just excellent.
Boomzilla
@opiejeanne:
@Elizabelle: How Reaganesque of him.
Yeah, maybe if Reagan was a doddering old fool with dementia.
Boomzilla
@hrprogressive:
To the extent anyone is actually a true “swing voter” at this point, there’s no way anyone is being moved to the Trump Column by this performance.
I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. “Can I interest you in the chicken?” she asks. “Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it? To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked.”
― David Sedaris