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ABC’s livefeed on YouTube:

 
Here’s the Guardian‘s liveblog, which is always interesting:

The Harris campaign will be fact-checking the debate in real time, on X.

ABC, meanwhile, has said that the debate moderators will facilitate the debate but not fact-check. Rick Klein, ABC News’ political director, told the New York Times: “We’re not making a commitment to fact-check everything, or fact-check nothing, in either direction. We’re there to keep a conversation going, and to facilitate a good solid debate.”

For truly unbiased fact-checking of both candidates, follow along here on the Guardian US liveblog!

CNN’s YouTube:

ETA: National Debate Watch Party with Gov. Tim Walz

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  1. 1.

    zhena gogolia

    I can’t stand any of the commentary that’s leading up to this. It’s all about “neck and neck”!

  3. 3.

    japa21

    Hate that picture of Harris on the CNN link.  She looks panicked.  Whereas he just looks smug.  Really bad editorializing.

  4. 4.

    J. Arthur Crank

    The fact that there are people who need an event like this to make up their minds depresses me.

  5. 5.

    hrprogressive

    The citizens need to disregard what the MSM says here. They are serving their shareholders, and nobody else, and the shareholders want trump.

    MVP Harris has generally been crushing it since she was rolled out, but I definitely am unsettled.

    In a “sane” world, Harris should be crushing Trump by Reaganesque numbers. That world died a long, long, time ago, unfortunately.

  6. 6.

    dmsilev

    Hah. Martha Radditz to Reince Preibus “Donald Trump persistently degrades women. How will that attract women voters?”

  7. 7.

    Geminid

    The debate is big news in the Middle East. The Times of Israel, Al Jazeera and AlArabiya have articles previewing the debate and Al Jazeera is live-blogging it.

  18. 18.

    karen gail

    Was reading about leadership; as in someone who leads from the front, someone who cares about the people, someone who supports and encourages. In these things Kamala Harris has already won, she is showing that she touches people and shows that she cares about them. She hugs them, touches them, makes personal contact; you can see the faces of those people and know that no matter what happens she has touched their lives.

  23. 23.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Huh? “You and President Trump” were elected four years ago? David Muir beclowned himself right off the bat.

  25. 25.

    hrprogressive

    The Convicted Felon looks like he’s about to fall asleep on stage, and MVP Harris is coming out with policy prescriptions, and also attacking the opponent with concrete hits.

  35. 35.

    lamh47

    Ya’ll enjoy the debate. I don’t need it, I already know who I’ve voting for and I’m sure the spin will always be against the MVP anyway. I’m reserving my peace thank you very much. Maybe I’ll rewatch after it’s all done.

     

    Reclaiming my Time

  40. 40.

    Miki

    And he takes the bait then makes it into his own crazy-ass shit. Starting to think she did exactly the right thing.

  41. 41.

    J. Arthur Crank

    @SiubhanDuinne:   The joke will be on us when at the end “Donald Trump” pulls off his latex mask to reveal himself as Biden.

    On the other hand, maybe Muir should step down and retire.

  50. 50.

    Tinare

    I wish she would explain that tariffs are not actually paid by foreign countries but by consumers. That was a missed opportunity.

  52. 52.

    PsiFighter37

    @Jackie: Maybe they gave him downers to try and ensure he wouldn’t say something extra-racist or extra-stupid.

    Kudos to all of you watching. The neurologist I visited today said I need to drink a little less, and by not watching, this is definitely helping that goal.

  57. 57.

    dmsilev

    I think this is the longest back-and-forth that I’ve seen in a Presidential debate in, well, ever.

    Nice “Wharton says you suck” reference.

  58. 58.

    J. Arthur Crank

    @dmsilev:   I was wondering if she would go for the knee to the groin right out of the gate, or run rings around him rhetorically first, then deliver the knee to the groin.

  63. 63.

    Leto

    OH, dropping the Wharton School… luuul; slip that shiv in nice and subtle

    WHY THE FUCK DID THEY TURN HIS MIC ON! HE JUST STARTED RAMBLING! Fine, let him ramble. Lost control in 10 mins.

  70. 70.

    3Sice

    They should show the shot clock on screen. Also the offsides rule is a bit hazy, maybe those two press moppets can explain.

  72. 72.

    Leto

    I do appreciate that he can’t remember the last year of his administration.

    Edit: Also Muir is calling him the President. He’s not the President, you jackass.

  73. 73.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Nix Besser: It’s his standard failure to apply orange foundation up to the top of the lower lid, and it his eyelids — my best guest is that it’s mimicking tanning bed tans from the 1980s, where you wore the little eye protecters. Plus this time, he’s also failed to work the foundation all the way down his forehead into his brows.

    I’d say his make-up artist hates him, but I’m sure they’re being told what to do.

    Sad.

  79. 79.

    Misterpuff

    Harris ignoring Trump’s trolling, and continues to hit her bullet points.

    See dick Run. Last book he read other than the speeches of Adolf Hitler.

    He really believes tariffs are paid by the exporter, not the importer.

    Harris should tell him the facts of life tariff-wise.

  81. 81.

    different-church-lady

    By this time in the first debate three quarters of the Democratic party had already given up on the entire election.

  83. 83.

    Ohio Mom

    I just tuned in.

    What’s that line, Everything he says is a lie, including “and” and “the”? (Or something like that.)

    Trump is talking about Covid, it’s one lie after the other, delivered with complete confidence. And he looks good, for him.

    Since no one on air is going to fact check, this is horrible.

  89. 89.

    hrprogressive

    Saying “Marxist” 3 times hoping something magical is going to happen is not a strategy.

    He sounds unhinged and unstable.

    She sounds clear and Presidential. AND NOT OLD.

  90. 90.

    Tom Levenson

    @John Cole: I didn’t even start.

    My 24 year old son has a watch party going, fueled by rum and cokes and Aperol spritzes. (There’s a bottle of cava in the fridge; I’m not sure what the intended final stat for that might be.)

    I had to shut all the doors between me and his gang, and am now up at my desk sending emails to students about tomorrow’s readings. Much better for my blood pressure.

  100. 100.

    TS

    @Miki:

    I caught a little of that on subtitles – it seemed so easy from the cheap seats to answer the question – which she did not. But the glimpses I have had since – she is going strong.

    Just saw trump mention 9 months abortions – the insanity MUST come across to women (and sane men) with that

  102. 102.

    HeleninEire

    Nope. I said in an earlier thread that depending on how many glasses of wine I have at dinner I will watch.

    Just ended glass #4. That is a whole bottle. I turned it off. I can’t listen to his horrible voice.

  106. 106.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Woah. He’s going scarlet in the face. Is he actually going to stroke out on national TV in front of us all? Does YHWH love me that much?

  107. 107.

    RaflW

    He is already off the rails. She got him riled in like minute six with that Wharton jab, and he’s losing it already. His last two ‘answers’ were just bonkers.

  116. 116.

    FelonyGovt

    OK I’m not watching, but I feel rather relieved reading all your comments here (at least so far).

  120. 120.

    realbtl

    I love how Kamala gives T that “Oh that poor old man is losing it” look.  At least when she isn’t laughing at him.

  124. 124.

    different-church-lady

    WaPo: “Trump just mixed up the states of West Virginia and Virginia as part of his abortion answer.”

  125. 125.

    Suzanne

    I wish that, even if it’s just one time, she says, “I will proudly sign that into law — with a goddamn sparkly pen.”

  126. 126.

    Danielx

    Can’t stand to listen any more. I could hear the screams of brain cells dying with  every word It spoke.

  132. 132.

    hrprogressive

    CFDT telling the theocratic right he won’t sign an abortion ban on live TV is gonna go over well.

  142. 142.

    different-church-lady

    Will be interesting to see if we get a similar flood of unfamiliar nyms running through the comments this time.

  144. 144.

    citizen dave

    She’s great.  Orange Man is melting down and sounds like a crazy man.  Why is he getting the last word so often–just starts talking when it isn’t his turn.  I’m sure Kamala will take note at some point.  The bullshitter  is such an asshole.

  148. 148.

    Another Scott

    @Elizabelle: He was thinking of Virginia Governor Ralph Northam (an MD) and a lie made up about what he said.

    He got the state wrong.  Very wrong.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  149. 149.

    sdhays

    @Elizabelle: I’m not watching, but man… if MVP just stopped the whole thing and said, “Hold up, Mr. Trump just accused a former governor of West Virginia of infanticide. This is the first I’m hearing of this heinous crime, and I would like him to name names and and give us details.”

  150. 150.

    Elizabelle

    Reminding young voters about abortion roulette and that Democrats care about student loans.

    She brings up IVF.  And refers to abortion as healthcare.

  153. 153.

    Jackie

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    I’d say his make-up artist hates him, but I’m sure they’re being told what to do.

    It’s been reported he does his own hair and makeup. He doesn’t trust anyone else to do it “right.” And, I believe this.

  154. 154.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @hrprogressive:

    In a “sane” world, Harris should be crushing Trump by Reaganesque numbers. That world died a long, long, time ago, unfortunately.

    I’ve said this before but I now have an understanding about what pre-Civil War USA must have felt like.

  155. 155.

    Misterpuff

    He is ranting.

    Did you talk with JD about abortion bans? The quick step of denial, denial, denial is a tell when he is lying on the fly.

    Oh he’s an IVF hero.

     

    Wait, wasn’t it the ex-governor from Virginia who was linked to that claim? Bedtime for Bonzo.

  162. 162.

    LeftCoastYankee

    She’s “working the body” in boxing parlance.  There won’t be a single KO shot, but he will wilt and collapse into gibberdom before this is over.

  167. 167.

    Tazj

    He’s been a leader on fertilization, IVF?

    So weird. Fertilization maybe, pervert that he is. This new found love of IVF? He’s never talked about before the last few weeks.

    Finally he’s been fact checked on the killing of newborns.

  171. 171.

    Lehrjet

    Whelp, I’m done watching that travesty.  Ain’t no amount and/or combination of weed and whiskey to handle that mess. Gonna just monitor the comments here.

    Never get out the boat,man!

  172. 172.

    Almost Retired

    I don’t know why I was so anxious about this.  She is absolutely killing this.  And now she’s bringing up his rallies to get under his skin.   I’m not objective, but she is fucking fabulous.

    Also her facial expressions are spot on.

  173. 173.

    hrprogressive

    Okay, Harris just invited people to go to CFDT’s rallies to hear him spew shit about windmills and electrocution but not talk about you.

    Wow.

    That’s a sucker punch that Joe wouldn’t have ever thrown.

  174. 174.

    dmsilev

    “The biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies”. Needs more “big strong men with tears in their eyes calling me sir”

  176. 176.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Oooh, I think he’s “weaving.”

    ETA: YIKES, and he’s repeating the “immigrants eating pets” thing. LOL.

  178. 178.

    RaflW

    OMG she is playing him like a fiddle!

    He’s raving about his rallies and then “weave” to rave about eating the dogs!

    He’s off the rails completely.

  183. 183.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    I’m upstairs while my normie wife is down stairs watching the debate (I’m “following” it here) and all I hear is her snorting/laughing at shit Hair Furor is saying.  I can almost time the snorts with comments here.

  190. 190.

    japa21

    Not watching the debate but following on Kamala HQ twitter account. I love her face when he is talking.

  198. 198.

    BlueDWarrior

    @danielx: that is what happens when you have people brain rotted by negative partisanship. They will eat an entire nightshade plant just to “own the libs” and then wonder in their last moments where it all went wrong while they are puking their guts out.

  199. 199.

    Elizabelle

    First let me respond to the rallies.  She is bussing them in and paying them.

    And now dogs and cats and pets being eaten!!!

  200. 200.

    Misterpuff

    Harris has brass balls to go at Trump by accusing him of boring this fans. Its an affront!

    She’s lit the fuse, he’s going off.

  201. 201.

    RinaX

    There’s always a moment at the start of a debate when I worry that Trump will manage to hold it together. Then, he disproves it within ten minutes. And now he’s descended into loon territory. She broke him with the rally stuff.

  203. 203.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    What everybody is seeing here is a veteran prosecutor showing how verbal vivisection is done.

  205. 205.

    hrprogressive

    This motherfucker out here citing Elon AI Memes while being fact-checked by David Muir (!!??!) and MVP just slapping him down repeatedly.

    This is like night and day compared to the june debate.

  208. 208.

    RaflW

    Now she’s doing the deep pity look at him. Wow he looks sooo crazy. And she’s talking about the 100s of Repubs who have fled him — because he’s unstable and dangerous.

  211. 211.

    Anne Laurie

    Here it is: At 9:29pm, Trump announces that ‘immigrants in Springfield are eating peoples’ dogs’.

    Harris’ expression is *perfect*: She’d laugh out loud, if it weren’t so damned serious.

    David Muir is pushing back!

  218. 218.

    Elizabelle

    Giggles.  Talk about extreme!

    brings up 200 GOP endorsements, including Cheneys.

    Kamala is good at this.

  219. 219.

    Primer Gray (formerly Yet Another Jeff

    He seems hinged…very hinged. Big strong men come up to him with tears in their eyes…telling him he’s the most hinged man they’ve ever seen in the history of hingedness

  221. 221.

    LeftCoastYankee

    The “pity face” before rolling out the list of Republican endorsements.  She’s on fire.

  224. 224.

    sixthdoctor

    God bless you all for reporting on this. I’m just hoping that the pinprick hemorrhages that are popping in the rotten mango that is his brain manifest in agony during his prison term.

  226. 226.

    Elizabelle

    Note that Trump avoided answering about immigration by bringing up his rallies and pet consumption.

  227. 227.

    Aziz, light!

    Madam VP is bringing it.

    It’s a mystery why anyone would ever believe a word he says, but here we are.

  228. 228.

    Ohio Mom

    @Elizabelle: The Virginian governor was talking about comfort care for babies born to die — neonates with such servere deformities that they can not survive.

  229. 229.

    BlueDWarrior

    Trump believe we live in a world of bedlam and anarchy and he is the bronze god that will solve everything forever.

    And if that isn’t true he will make it true.

  231. 231.

    Geminid

    Trump teased World War III before he started in on people eating pets. I don’t why Trump thinks scaring people about WW III makes them want to vote for him. Seems like it would be the opposite.

  232. 232.

    Primer Gray (formerly Yet Another Jeff

    And another one writes a book. Another one writes a book. And another one’s fired and another one’s fired, and another one writes a book.

  233. 233.

    Almost Retired

    If you’re following the comments but not watching it for understandable anxiety-related reasons, trust me….it’s okay to wade in now.  This is awesome.

  234. 234.

    citizen dave

    I hope the Simpsons are hiding Santa’s Little Helper in Springfield.

     

    As said on the Shrinking Trump podcast–if millions of criminals were coming in, wouldn’t we notice?  Where are they???

  236. 236.

    CaseyL

    A million thanks to everyone here reporting. Some good stuff on BlueSky, too.

    I may watch some “highlights” later, but for now am just enjoying the live-blogging.

  241. 241.

    hrprogressive

    He’s quite literally just hitting buzzwords he thinks his fascist thugs want to hear.

    To the extent anyone is actually a true “swing voter” at this point, there’s no way anyone is being moved to the Trump Column by this performance.

    Not unless they were already Trump Curious.

  244. 244.

    Scout211

    I took a peek several times early on and while Kamala Harris is freaking brilliant, he was doing far better than I had hoped.  I just peeked in again and he is starting to come apart.  He’s really on the defensive and not making sense anymore.  Whew!  She is playing him so well.

    Thank you all for commenting.  I can’t watch except for short snippets.

  245. 245.

    dmsilev

    Hah. This is like the third or fourth time the moderators have called Trump a liar.

    And now Harris points out Trump’s …legal problems.

  250. 250.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @Elizabelle:

    Kamala is good at this.

    She wasn’t in my Top 5 in 2020…but she was one of the best debaters in 2020, that much was patently clear.  Why Felonious D’s campaign clowns didn’t see that…

  251. 251.

    tam1MI

    She is not giving an inch on anything.  Every thing he throws at her, she just flings it right back at him.

     

    And she got him doing what he loves to do best – whining about how mean everybody is to him.

  256. 256.

    karen marie

    I am stunned that anyone would think that watching the debate on CNN or ABC or any other corporate media outlet is their first and/or only choice to watch the debate.

    I’m team CSpan all the way.  Fuck those fucking fuckers of corporate media.  They can shove their oversized paychecks and self-regard straight up their asses.

  257. 257.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    I love Wonkette’s live blogging.

    9:34: Trump, how will you deport all the millions of people you want to deport? This is a question where you can say all the weird insane asylum things!

    TRUMP: NO CRIME IN VENEZUELA ANYMORE! KAMALA HAS ALL THE VENEZUELA CRIMINALS! OTHER NAZI WORDS ABOUT IMMIGRANTS!

    He is so, so mad.

    9:35: Moderator: Actually, violent crime is down.

    TRUMP: WAAAAAAAH!

    HARRIS: It’s funny because he’s a criminal who’s been held liable for sexual assault and his next big court appearance is for his sentencin

  260. 260.

    Elizabelle

    Kamala brings out the big guns on Trump’s criminal record..

    Trump accuses Dems of weaponizing the Justice Department.  Says Cannon threw out the documents case.

  261. 261.

    frog

    I’m watching Mary Trump’s channel. Do you guys here think Trump is winning? (ha ha ha)

     

    More seriously, do you think the public views this as Trump is winning?

  263. 263.

    Leto

    FFS, THE MIC IS SUPPOSED TO BE TURNED OFF! I mean, let him ramble and look like the insane clown he is but c’mon now…

  264. 264.

    sdhays

    It sounds like the moderators are also considerably higher quality than CNN’s.

    Not that MVP needed the help, it seems, but credit where due.

  266. 266.

    Nix Besser

    I’m fairly impressed with the fact checking. It’s subtle, with a single sentence now and then, but it’s more than I expected.

  267. 267.

    Elizabelle

    Trump says Dems responsible for him getting a bullet to the head.

    (Narrator:  fired by a Republican.)

  269. 269.

    Betty

    I am sorry she didn’t emphasize renewable energy on the fracking question. The problem isn’t just foreign oil.

  281. 281.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Oh, she nailed him brilliantly and as everybody here knows, I’m a massive Biden supporter.

    But give props where props are due in a setting like back then and now, she’s experienced at it.

    Anybody who has watched CSPAN when the Dems controlled the House and they’d have hearings on whatever, they always had prosecutors running the show and it was a marvel to watch them bulldoze whatever RWNJ they’d call in front of them.

    This is that…only vs a far better target.

  282. 282.

    dmsilev

    “Transgender operations on illegal immigrants who are in prison”

    I think that makes Trump Bingo in a single sentence.

  285. 285.

    sdhays

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: He has one setting. His campaign staff may have seen the potential for this coming, but the only thing they could do was to convince him to not show up. And that would have been pretty bad on it’s own.

    He went into the debate needing a trajectory reset. He may get it, just not in the direction he wants.

  290. 290.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @sdhays:

    It sounds like the moderators are also considerably higher quality than CNN’s.

    Higher than Tapper and Bash?  That’s an incredibly low bar.

  291. 291.

    hrprogressive

    He literally just vomited a bunch of nonsense out after mocking Harris’ “I’m Speaking” from 4 years ago.

    None of that is gonna go over well with women voters, and with anyone who isn’t in the cult.

  293. 293.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Jeffro:

    Can I get a Hindenburg gif yet people?

    O/T, but whatever happened to Odie Hugh Manatee? Haven’t seen them around for quite a while.

  296. 296.

    TS

    He can’t stop –  fracking oil police etc etc – in response to MVP saying he got all his money from his Dad

  298. 298.

    frosty

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I’m flipping back and forth between you all, Wonkette, the Guardian, and TPM. But not watching. I can’t stand his voice and I can’t stand looking at him even with subtitles.

  306. 306.

    hrprogressive

    “Do you regret anything about January 6th?”

    ‘LET’S TALK ABOUT THE BORDER!!!’

    Seriously, anyone who isn’t already a fascist thug isn’t buying any of this. Not one lick of it.

  309. 309.

    HumboldtBlue

    Jesus Christ smashing his head into the wall repeatedly, he whines like a fucking 10-year-old boy! He sounds like a child!

  314. 314.

    Spanky

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage:

    I’m upstairs while my normie wife is down stairs watching the debate (I’m “following” it here) and all I hear is her snorting/laughing at shit Hair Furor is saying.  I can almost time the snorts with comments here.

    Same scenario here.

  315. 315.

    Leto

    @geg6: It was! We did photographs and everything! It’s why this, “terminating student loans was horrible” is just so stupid.

    I’m appreciating Muir’s responses to Trumpov: you didn’t answer the simple question we asked, but we have to move on.

  316. 316.

    zhena gogolia

    He said “Nobody on the other side got killed!” “the other side,” Congress and the police, I guess

  318. 318.

    Primer Gray (formerly Yet Another Jeff

    The Pelosi tapes!!!!!

    I wonder how this is coming across to normies….

  321. 321.

    lamh47

    Transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison..Ya’ll it’s so bad, my mommy had to call me…like “WTH is this guy talking about”…LOL

  323. 323.

    Misterpuff

    He is a gaping open wound, walking talking ball of grievance.

    Now the MVP going poetic on his ass, a statement of ethics.

  325. 325.

    TS

    Madam Vice President – take a bow

    I am not getting my work done – I did not think I would get so engrossed in watching this intelligent, knowledgeable, amazing president to be

  333. 333.

    hrprogressive

    Harris literally tied together J6, Charlottesville, the Proud Boys, very nicely.

    CFDT responds with something about the energy sector (???) and then goes back to the border.

    This is a mugging, and MVP is doing the slugging here.

  341. 341.

    Torrey

    Nice use of “We’re not going back” and indirectly invoking Trump fatigue (“turn the page,” etc.). And Trump is going on and on. It’s really getting under his skin.
    And now, ooh, the moderators are going for the Big Lie about the election.

  343. 343.

    Elizabelle

    His Fox peeps debunked Charlottesville.  Uh huh.

    Just called her so bad it’s ridiculous.

    Says she can wake Biden up at 4 pm to sign a bill.

  351. 351.

    Tazj

    Muir gave him a chance to correct himself and admit he lost the last election and he still says he won the 2020 election.

  352. 352.

    Chief Oshkosh

    Tuning in late here. Because I’m so virtuous. Just wrote, addressed, and stamped 20 more postcards to MI voters.

    What have I missed?  ;)

  357. 357.

    Misterpuff

    Go Donald, the election Big Lie, and the rant goes on.

    Its all about him, always always. I am the Only One Who Can Fix This horrible horrible country!

  359. 359.

    sdhays

    “Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people, and he’s clearly having a hard time processing that.”

  362. 362.

    Chet Murthy

    Goddamn, I’m glad I decided to start watching (around when they were talking about abortion).  This is lit!

  368. 368.

    SiubhanDuinne

    I’m taking back my criticism of David Muir upthread. He gets more and more impressive as this continues.

  375. 375.

    Elizabelle

    We have a nation that is dying ….

    David Muir:  Thank you Mr President.

    Kamala:  Donald Trump was fired by 80 million people.  Says world leaders are laughing at him.

    Brings up his temperament.

    He rebuts by quoting Victor Orban,

  376. 376.

    hrprogressive

    When your first defense about world leaders that support you is Viktor Fucking Orban…

    Not the W you think it is, Old Man.

  377. 377.

    lamh47

    Here’s how you know Chump is losing this debate so far…folks like Julia here…trying to do the “well HRC won the debate…” and not acknowledging that Harris is doing more than what HRC did… This way once the debate is over and Harris is likely the clear winner…they can say…”oh but HRC won vs Chump too…”

    @juliaioffe

    Hillary Clinton also won the debates against Donald Trump.

  378. 378.

    sixthdoctor

    I hope Joe Biden is watching this with an ice cream cone in one hand and a phat blunt in the other.

  380. 380.

    BlueDWarrior

    I really like how he was talking about “closing the border”. To close the border by executive fiat would basically be akin to shooting our macro-economy in the belly. May or may not be fatal depending on exactly where and how long you bleed.

  385. 385.

    hrprogressive

    MVP’s refrain of “Let’s understand how we got here” before she gives her answer is a nice way to let people know that she’s gonna explain a situation to them.

  389. 389.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @zhena gogolia:

    They’re certainly better than CNN, by a long shot.

    My old, blind, hard-of-hearing cat, would have done better than Tapper & Bash…by a long shot.

    But good on the two at ABC for showing how it can be done.

  393. 393.

    Leto

    How would you solve the Israel/Palestine conflict?

    Harris: thoughtful, compassionate answer

    Trumpov: ISRAEL WILL NO LONGER EXIST! SHE HATES ARABS! SHE HATES EVERYONE!

    Terrah… big spears (not spheres) of terrah!

  395. 395.

    RaflW

    Trump says Biden hates her.
    Says she hates Israel.

    It’s clear he’s the one consumed with hate.

    eta: @Lily That’s possible, though I think she really just pities him.

  397. 397.

    Misterpuff

    I’ve been pretty good at predictions.

    Yeah Biden was going to bust into the DNC and take his candidacy back like the Kool-Aid Man!

  399. 399.

    hrprogressive

    “It is so well known that all these autocrats are rooting for you, because they know they can manipulate you with flattery”

    Damn! Lit him up.

  405. 405.

    Leto

    Laying out what a boot licker to dictators he is… love letters to Kim.

    The moderator tried to interrupt Harris and MVP gave her the “nope, not today” hands. And then they just let the asswipe blurt on in.

  408. 408.

    dmsilev

    OK, take a deep breath.

    For those unicorns known as undecided voters, this should have been …clarifying.

  410. 410.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @sixthdoctor:

    I hope Joe Biden is watching this with an ice cream cone in one hand and a phat blunt in the other.

    Most people I know 75+ who use such products, use edibles.

    That being said, as a Federal employee, it’s still illegal to use marijuana in any form.  That goes back to a Fucking Reagan Exec Order.  The Biden Administration has been taking very slow steps to declassify pot as THE MOST DANGEROUS DRUG EVER but it’s been a slow road.

  412. 412.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @Mousebumples: Good job, Mousebumples! That’s at least 30 tonight.

    Sadly, I’ve run out of gin, though. It’s my postcard-writing rocket fuel.

    Ah well, that’s why god made liquor stores, and in his great beneficence, planted one right on my way home from work.

  414. 414.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    I bought my wife a Kamala action figure about 4 Christmas seasons ago.  It’s still in the box and has been sitting on our bookshelf since.  Tonight she is on our coffee table next to some red wine.

  415. 415.

    trollhattan

    Welp, a few random minutes seals the notion of nah-gah-watch.

    How can one human be such an enormous pile of sewage? (TBF: his practically saying “I was born a poor black child” was pretty epic and on-brand.)

  417. 417.

    Kay

    Dave Portnoy

    @stoolpresidente

    14m

    I dont think this is going well for Trump so far at all. Probably doesnt help that it’s a tag team match, but yeah not great.

    Erik Erikson and Christopher Rufo are upset too. It’s great.

  418. 418.

    zhena gogolia

    @dmsilev: I do feel she is making more of an impact than is usually possible during one of these. But what do I know? I thought Mondale kicked Reagan’s ass.

  422. 422.

    Leto

    @Mousebumples: listen: much like the Apollo computers, Trumpov’s magnetic tape storage system can only hold so much. Immigration, migrants, Nord Stream… I think we’ve hit our limit. Trumpovbot v1.1 will launch soon. Just as soon as Apartheid Clyde fixes the bugs…

  423. 423.

    Central Planning

    I hope nobody is playing the “Drink if Trump lies game”. Lots of death by alcohol poisoning if so.

  425. 425.

    Misterpuff

    Damn. I mean, damn. She is killing him. Please don’t stop, even if he seems dead.

    Seems like that needs a Simpsons reference.

  426. 426.

    dmsilev

    @Kay: It’s a tag-team, so to speak, because his lies have been so blatant and so continuous that even professional journalists couldn’t overlook them. Which is quite a feat, when you think about it.

  428. 428.

    The Audacity of Krope

    @HumboldtBlue: What the fuck is “historic” about this debate? This is a clown show.

    It is being recorded. Not much technically required to be history.

  429. 429.

    Sally

    On the abortion Q (I know I’m behind on this). Does he consider all the children shot in schools “post birth abortions”? So they can blame democrats for school shootings.

  430. 430.

    RaflW

    @Kay: Ohhh, the cries about ABC being soooo unfair will be endless. We need to just laugh our assess off at them for how pathetic their whining is.

  431. 431.

    Leto

    @dmsilev: MSNBC has two of the same morons back from the first debate so they can talk about this debate, along with like 4-5 other new undecideds. I just can’t with these people. I don’t know what magical phrase MVP has to utter for the scales to fall from their eyes. I think it’s performative on the “undecided” people just to get on tv.

  432. 432.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @zhena gogolia:

    But what do I know? I thought Mondale kicked Reagan’s ass.

    So, so true. But it’s a totally different media environment. Wait, wtf did I just say? I’ll need to wait and hear what my wife says the Totebagger Radio shits say in the morning to know what really happened.

    //

  434. 434.

    lamh47

    Not him taking digs at the AKAs…smhChile…where is the “throw in the towel” GIF…cause baby he needed this break. She was TEARING him up. She had him on the ropes at the “crowd size” quip and was NOT letting up

  435. 435.

    TS

    @SpaceUnit:

    Excuse me – they are so biased, the only media that can run an unbiased debate is FoxNews – and that’s where any further debates will be held

     

    hahahahahahahaha

  436. 436.

    hrprogressive

    The first debate thread was full of dread.

    Not seeing it here.

    For good reason. MVP is crushing it. She took a few minutes to steady herself at the outset, but since then, she’s been pitch-perfect.

    CFDT has sounded like a low-energy, brain-addled madman who needs to be committed for his own safety, not ready to be POTUS a second time.

    He’s not doing a damn thing to convince anyone to vote for him who wasn’t already gonna do it, and there’s no “Sleepy Joe” for the so-called “double haters” to not enjoy.

    I know in the modern era debates isn’t exactly the best predictor of future performance, but I can say Kamala Harris is doing very well, and CFDT doesn’t sound nearly as focused or on message as he did in the first half an hour of the original debate.

  438. 438.

    Central Planning

    Does Trump think we can control what other nations do in their best interests, like the Nordstream pipeline?

  439. 439.

    sdhays

    I started watching. I hate debates, but it’s not bad. MVP is obviously doing well.

    They’re letting Trump word-vomit too much. He just seems to be allowed to go on and on and on and always gets the last word. I wish the moderators would be more disciplined, but I’m not sure it really helps him because he’s just spewing random verbal diarrhea.

  441. 441.

    Primer Gray (formerly Yet Another Jeff

    This is becoming a very uncomfortably gritty reimagining of Death of a Salesman….

  442. 442.

    John S.

    @Seanly:

    I would like if the moderators would stop letting Trump have another minute to close out each topic

    That was my initial complaint. But by letting him do it, it completely negates having his microphone muted.

    So yet again, Trump undermines his own campaign.

  443. 443.

    Chet Murthy

    @Leto: He keeps coming back again and again to immigration.  He -doesn’t- keep coming back to trans folks, or LGBTQ folks.  I think this means they’ve decided who their bogeyman is for the rest of the campaign: it’s immigrants.

    I expect a dramatic runup in the number and severity of libels against immigrants.

  445. 445.

    OGLiberal

    I can’t watch, won’t watch, but debates don’t matter until the decide one of the participants is great-grandpa wandering around in a robe talking about sock hops.  Also, his insanity is normal wing-nut speak.  You may hear it rarely when they mistakenly let their guard down around some normals.  That’s why this is a battle to the end, no matter how well she does.  For every Cheney who switches sides there are 20 lunatics who would crawl over racoon inards to vote for this nut.  That said, glad to hear she’s doing well…need that for enthusiasm for the folks committed to Harris or leaning towards.

  447. 447.

    dmsilev

    “I want to ask you a simple question”

    ….says something completely different.

    (shock, surprise, shock…)

  448. 448.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @Central Planning:

    I hope nobody is playing the “Drink if Trump lies game”. Lots of death by alcohol poisoning if so.

    Ah, that brings back memories of playing “The Bob Game” in college and “The Dick Game” for several years after college. (both Bob Newhart-related to the binge-drinking uninitiated).

  451. 451.

    PsiFighter37

    Someone needs to tell me if Dave Wasserman is making stupid comments tonight or not. He blocked me after I drunkenly called him a name in response to one of his asinine race change ratings.

    Nate Silver is awfully quiet so far.

  452. 452.

    p.a.

    Can’t watch him.  Following here & tpm.  Sounds good!  Sounds like Muir may need protection from t’s goonsquad after this.

  453. 453.

    Soprano2

    I’ve been laughing, he’s so out of control. The people who like him don’t understand how he sounds to normal people. Half of what he babbles is incomprehensible to normies.

  454. 454.

    frosty

    May I just say I love the REFRESH button. Kudos to JGC and WG and all the rest who set it up. The other three things I’m following don’t have this. I have to click on the URL then scroll back down to where I was. REFRESH is great!

  455. 455.

    Chacal Charles Calthrop

    I think she’s stealing the scene by rolling her eyes and reacting to his nonsense. She acts as if the camera is always on her, which is good.

  456. 456.

    Andrew Abshier

    @zhena gogolia: Mondale did in the first debate.  It was like Trump-Biden this cycle but with St. Ronnie in the Biden role. But second debate, St. Ronnie rolled out his quip about not making an issue of the youth and inexperience of his opponent, and that’s all that got reported.

  457. 457.

    Scout211

    Every time I peek in and watch, there is that flying right hand of his moving back and forth with every word. If they handcuff him will his speech stop?

    Someone please handcuff him.

  459. 459.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    I think she’s doing a marvelous job of needling him, and basically every Gish Gallop has circled back to “immigrants ruining our country”. You’d have to be pretty clueless to notice that he hasn’t answered any questions.

    And yep, he pulled out the “Haitians are eating pets” thing. That was so blatant that the moderators did point out it’s caca. Didn’t slow him down.

  460. 460.

    Leto

    @Chet Murthy: agreed, though that’s what he’s been running on for at least the past month if not more. The down ballot slimes are starting to pick up on that line as well. Living here in PA, seeing/hearing more of those commercials on tv/radio. They’ll slip in some other things, but it all centers on immigration.

    Threw him out of the campaign like a dog… haven’t heard the “like a dog” line in quite a while. Falling back on the oldies now.

  461. 461.

    Trivia Man

    Screaming at my TV… if you negotiate with Putin after the election but before innauguration that is a crime. Logan Act rig a bell?

  462. 462.

    lamh47

    All the proof you need is to read some of the blue check MAGA responsed to Jemele’s tweet.

    @jemelehill

    But here’s the reality, the people who will vote for Trump don’t see him as an idiot. He’s speaking to them with this unhinged ranting. He’s not moving anyone over to his side, because the people that love him won’t leave him.
    https://x.com/jemelehill/status/1833686620786262349

  463. 463.

    Citizen Alan

    @Geminid: The evangelicals would be thrilled by world war 3. They think they’ll be teleported up to heaven before the bombs start falling.

  467. 467.

    Geminid

    @3Sice: A lot of viewers are saying that. Maybe they’ll look Orban up. If they do they won’t be very impressed by that tinhorn or his endorsement of Trump.

    I wonder if Orban considers himself a MAGA-yar.

  471. 471.

    Torrey

    He’s yelling now.
    And MVP just reminded Trump that he’s not running against Biden. Good one! She clarifies what needs to happen WRT the Russian invasion of Ukraine, points out that Trump would “solve the problem” by giving up.​
     
    And she is great on NATO and Polish Americans.

  482. 482.

    citizen dave

    @sdhays: Have also noted that–trump getting so many improper rebuttals.  Of course, he is bat shit crazy so letting him talk helps our cause anyway.   But would love Kamala to point it out at some point, how this cowardly man HAS to get the last word

  484. 484.

    JoeyJoeJoe

    @Misterpuff: there is one; from the Homey the Klown episode.  Homer, playing Krusty, visits a KrustyBurger and beats the hamburglar until a boy starts crying and begging Homer to stop, saying “he’s already dead “

  486. 486.

    Leto

    “Who would eat you for lunch” – STOP, STOP! HE’S DEAD ALREADY!

    Ramblings of an insane raccoon caught in the trash can.

  491. 491.

    Elizabelle

    Trump brings up Putin’s nuclear weapons.

    I give him points for being able to pronounce nuclear.

    Blames the Ukraine war on Kamala.

  495. 495.

    lamh47

    @Bakari_Sellers
    The talking points have gone out, Trump is getting so humiliated they are blaming the moderators. Check your feeds….

  509. 509.

    dmsilev

    “This …. ….. …. former President”

    I really want to know what she was thinking in that pregnant pause.

  516. 516.

    hrprogressive

    MVP just spent the last 5 minutes sounding strong as fuck on national security, foreign policy, and the type of American patriotism one can actually be proud of.

  525. 525.

    citizen dave

    His “Abdul” kills me.  I wondered if somehow the Alec Baldwin version of the guy is doing this event

    Orange Man  “I don’t care what she is”

  528. 528.

    Kay

    Bernard Goldberg

    @BernardGoldberg

    18m

    I don’t like Kamala Harris. I don’t trust her. I don’t like her policies. And, as a friend says, she’s mopping the floor with him.

  529. 529.

    Leto

    @HumboldtBlue: yeah, I have the same problem here. She’s the sitting VP, he’s currently a felon. The current President is sitting in 1600 Penn atm. Stop addressing him with that title and use the proper one: felon!

  532. 532.

    Mousebumples

    How long is this going to go? We’re getting to my bedtime but I’m wanting to see her closing argument…

  544. 544.

    TS

    @lamh47:

    Of course they are – and they will blame MVP because she is an uppity woman who knows too much. Can’t have a president who knows too much, they might do well by the American people rather than enhance themselves.

  552. 552.

    hrprogressive

    “I am clearly not Joe Biden nor am I Donald Trump. I am a new generation of leadership”

    Well, there you go.

  554. 554.

    Torrey

    “New generation of leadership”; “let’s talk about plans” and she points out that he’s constantly putting down the US, “belittling” and “name-calling.”

  556. 556.

    citizen dave

    @2liberal: Texas has shitload of solar of wind; and oil and gas.

    Looked it up: Far and away #1 in wind; #2 in solar, but roughly half of California in solar.

  559. 559.

    tam1MI

    THEY EFFIN’ SHUT HARRIS DOWN WHEN SHE TRIES TO REBUT BUT THEY HAVE LET TRUMP REBUT EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!!

  561. 561.

    Kay

    @David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch:

    Mychael Schnell

    @mychaelschnell

    Debate reax from a House Republican who backs Trump: “I’m just sad.” “She knew exactly where to cut to get under his skin. Just overall disappointing that he isn’t being more composed like the first debate. The road just got very narrow. “This is not good,” they told
    @thehill

  562. 562.

    citizen dave

    @zhena gogolia: Had the same thought about 45 minutes ago.  Hopefully he’s not carrying something–covid.

    Lindsey Davis to Orange Man after his BS: “Just to be clear, you still don’t have a [health care] plan” ?

    He is the crazy man on the train/plane ranting that you want to get far far away from.

  566. 566.

    Chet Murthy

    @tam1MI: I actually think it’s great!  He’s ranting and raving, and everybody sees it!  I mean, sure, in academic terms it’s unfair.  But given what TCFG is, it’s great!

  572. 572.

    Trivia Man

    “You still don’t have a plan?” to replace ACA

    “I’m not president. If I’m president we’ll come up with a plan”

  576. 576.

    HumboldtBlue

    “I have concepts of a plan” he mewls in his little boy sing-song voice… What the actual fuck…

  578. 578.

    Leto

    Yes or no, do you have a plan? He goes on insane ramble, and you can hear her laugh in the background; luuuuul

  582. 582.

    hrprogressive

    She went back to respond!

    “Tim Walz and I are gun owners, we aren’t coming to take your guns away”.

    Boom.

  588. 588.

    lamh47

    they are allowin him go overspeak and not muting his mic

    Letting him speak is helping her, but yes, it’s noticeable!

  592. 592.

    TS

    She has ALL the right facial dynamics – He has hate – nothing else there and the disciples see it and copy it. She knows when to laugh, cry, frown, smile. brilliant.

    And they let him interrupt again and again

  603. 603.

    Leto

    @lamh47: @Soprano2: noticed it all night, and it’s irritated the shit out of me all night. I know the Harris campaign wanted it, but it’s fucking disgusting. I hope the normies feel the same.

  604. 604.

    Mousebumples

    https://bsky.app/profile/kenwhite.bsky.social/post/3l3tv44hu542v

    OK I turned it on for a second and got a new screen name.

    His new name is Concepts For A Popehat

    https://bsky.app/profile/kenwhite.bsky.social/post/3l3tv6zs6mo2n

    Also: if you ran for President, served as President for four years, hung out griping for four years, then ran for President again, I think it’s reasonable to expect you to have some kind of plan about something you want to talk about. You can’t Infrastructure Week people forever. Can you?

  606. 606.

    Bostondreams

    @Soprano2: Honestly, I think it works for her. He will accuse the moderators of bias…but it can be pointed out that he talked WAAAAAAAY more than her..plus he sounds like a loon.

  610. 610.

    Leto

    Ofc he jumps on the economic part, but we all know he doesn’t have a climate plan. Fucker stares directly into the sun. Dumbass.

  619. 619.

    Chet Murthy

    @TheronWare: If he could use the time profitably, it’d be a problem.  But he just rants and raves!  Now he’s bringin’ up Hunter Biden!  It’s brilliant!

  621. 621.

    hrprogressive

    “Hunter Biden! China! Russia!”

    Not a damn word about climate change, just more fascist buzzwords.

    Harris has crushed him.

  622. 622.

    dmsilev

    I don’t normally do this, but I think I’ll keep the tv on after the closing statements. Morbidly curious to see how ABC’s talking heads wrap themselves around this.

  623. 623.

    David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch

    @Kay: ​
     

    the war debate situation has developed not necessarily to Japan’s Dump’s advantage, while the general trends of the world have all turned against our his interest.

  627. 627.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Just gonna say this once. I’m really, really glad I quit smoking 30-odd years ago, because otherwise I would have killed a couple of packs already just since this began.

  628. 628.

    tam1MI

    @Kent: I seem to recall that Al Gore identified Climate Change as the single biggest issue facing the country when he was running in 2000.  I believe he reiterated that sentiment at a debate or town hall.

  630. 630.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @sdhays:

    Oh, Donald Trump saved Obamacare! Wow! I missed that!

    Not to mention all those consecutive Infrastructure Weeks. I know them well because Elaine Fucking Chow would always email everybody in DOT about them.

    //

  639. 639.

    TS

    I think I heard Rachel say  Tim Walz is going to be on MSNBC after closing statements – anyone else hear that?

    Looking forward to Trump’s closing – going to be a dozy – and I mute him 99.9% of the time. Might listen this time

    Not getting any work done today, going to be a long night on this side of the equator.

  641. 641.

    Geminid

    @WaterGirl: That’s what I did when I found this place 5 years ago. Then one day I noticed the refresh button and thought, “I wonder what this does?” I’m what they call a slow adopter.

  642. 642.

    Mai Naem mobile

    He’s just throwing whatever he can at the wall to see what will stick and he sounds bigly pissed off. I love the way Harris keeps on going back to positive stuff after she skewers him.

  649. 649.

    Primer Gray (formerly Yet Another Jeff

    Closing my remarks…he’s going to break my heart again. I keep hoping beyond hope that every time he finishes a speech or a comment, that he’ll pause…look directly into the camera, and say “The Aristocrats!” before walking away, never to be heard from again…

  651. 651.

    David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch

    ActBlue is exploding 🎇 in response to Kamala kicking his ass. It’s 11 PM and a staggering $6.5 million raised in the past 30 minutes.

  659. 659.

    Leto

    @Mousebumples: and man did he take the bit and run with it. Brilliant strategy.

    “Why hasn’t she done it?” Because she’s VP you moran! But don’t worry, in 56 days she’ll be President-elect, and in Jan she’ll be President.

  665. 665.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Shallow but heartfelt observation: MVP looks absolutely gorgeous. Her hair looks great; her colorist is a genius. Not a requirement for POTUS, but it’s nice to be reminded that she can and does bring the glam.

  673. 673.

    Central Planning

    She gave the military to Afghanistan and the taliban? I know I’ve thought this about 1000 times during the debate, but WTAF?

  674. 674.

    Leto

    For people who had Hannibal Lector as their final Bingo square… well, the bar is over there. Good night!

    Edit: 669 and doin’ fine… nice…

  683. 683.

    sdhays

    The Donvict just spent the entire time of his closing statement talking about Kamala Harris. Not one word about what he is going to do or how great he is. I wonder if that was the plan or if she so goaded him into a rage that he got completely stuck on whining.

    I’m skeptical that was an effective use of his time.

  686. 686.

    frosty

    Josh Marshall, TPM. In any war, in any sport, you maintain the initiative and you’re on the road to victory. Harris has controlled the entire debate. She’s effectively baited him in a way no other candidate has ever been able to do. It’s not like she’s going to rocket into some big lead. People aren’t going to abandon Trump. But she needed to show she can dominate him, be the one in control. She has. It’s as simple as that. She’s also gotten him to spend most of the debate showing his most feral and angry self. This debate was a rout. I don’t think there’s any other way to put it.

  687. 687.

    Another Scott

    @Kent: Yup.

    Something something goaded by a Tweet.  – HRC.

    Masterful performance by MVP.  Anyone undecided who saw this and decided based on it to vote for him, well, there’s something really wrong with that person.

    Team D should be fired up!  Forward!!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  688. 688.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    We’ve seen a lot of the joyful Kamala. Tonight she showed us the passion and anger and seriousness, which I think can only help.

    And we also saw the smile. But it was a mocking, incredulous, “how does this guy remember to inhale and exhale” smile.

  691. 691.

    Kent

    @tam1MI:@Kent: I seem to recall that Al Gore identified Climate Change as the single biggest issue facing the country when he was running in 2000.  I believe he reiterated that sentiment at a debate or town hall.

    OK, he probably did.

    I think this was the first time it came up as a moderator question.

  694. 694.

    lamh47

    they already were going after the moderators, so that’s what Faux News is doing now, but even Brit Hume had to admit

    @VoteDarkBrandon

    Brit Hume on Fox News right now: “Make no mistake about it, Trump had a bad night”.

  702. 702.

    Torrey

    I have just turned off NBC, since they’ve gone to the “spin room” and are more interested in reporting on what each of the campaigns SAY happened than on what an expert (like, oh, I don’t know, maybe Michael Beschloss or a professional debate coach or a professor of rhetoric with a specialization in political rhetoric) has to say.

  705. 705.

    hrprogressive

    MVP Harris was concise, poised, and masterful in the way she responded.

    I didn’t hear anything I didn’t like, save one small piece on fracking which I thought was a missed opportunity to talk about clean energy.

    MVP was viscous when she attacked him, but did it with a smile, and a “I wish a motherfucker would” attitude.

    She articulated concrete proposals, concrete ideas, and stood fast on her principles.

    To everyone who thought Joe got clobbered by CFDT 2 months ago…this is the complete opposite.

    MVP just annihilated a man who sounds like he’s out of his league, out of his gourd, and out of touch with what everyone outside of the Fascist GOP alone want.

  710. 710.

    Seanly

    Tim Walz just mentioned about Trump looking like an old man yelling at the clouds which is what I was feeling.

    Not going to listen to Vance as he’s just as bad as Trump.

  713. 713.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    Don’t know if this point was already made, but if possible throw a few bucks into kamalaharris.com tonight, on top of what you may already be giving, to give them fundraising stats to crow about tomorrow.

  721. 721.

    Boomzilla

    @hrprogressive:

    To the extent anyone is actually a true “swing voter” at this point, there’s no way anyone is being moved to the Trump Column by this performance.

    I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. “Can I interest you in the chicken?” she asks. “Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it? To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked.”
    ― David Sedaris

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