NYT “fact checks” aside, the Haitians eating dogs and transgender prison operations bullshit is coming out much earlier this cycle than in past elections. Back in the good old days, Republicans would save this shit until the last moment, and they’d spread it via mailers and robocalls, so people who were going to vote would hear/see it, but it was too late for the Democrat to push back.
Instead, we have Trump and Vance pushing a bunch of horrible lies. Unfortunately for his campaign, Trump has gotten more unhinged and yells the soft part out loud more than he used to. But don’t underestimate JD: he’s halfway decent at pushing a lie and making it sound reasonable (that’s a link to a Xitter video in a scrum). Of course, in the hands of an interviewer working him 1:1, he’s still sounds shitty. (Here and here are two more Xitter vids of an interview with Kaitlan Collins).
It’s a sign of desperation and double-triple-fipling down on anti-immigrant and anti-trans hate that causes them to trot this shit out so early. It’s also a sign of how much the right wing media landscape has changed in the past few years. Steve M has a good post on this, key point:
But in recent years, as Fox News has begun losing its primacy on the right while the Internet has increasingly been the main source for what rank-and-file right-wingers believe, fringe ideas have become more mainstream: Barack Obama birtherism, the allegedly stolen election in 2020, QAnon’s notion of a vast elitist pedophile ring that somehow excludes all Republicans.
It sure didn’t help Trump that his companion on the plane ride to Philly was nutjob Laura Loomer. When you lie down with pigs, you end up covered in shit.
Anyway, in some good news, it looks like we might just have our first trans Member of Congress — Sarah McBride won her primary last night for the Delaware at-large seat vacated by Lisa Blunt Rochester, who is running to replace retiring Tom Carper. The more trans visibility, the better.
Baud
Sounds like the version of Clue they play in hell.
Ishiyama
Yes, please.
dmsilev
He sounded like a somewhat less hinged version of General Jack Ripper. ‘Children’s ice cream, Mandrake!’
(the judges would have also accepted ‘dumber and less competent Captain Queeg’)
dmsilev
@Baud: From ‘Madlibs for making Libs Mad’.
Old School
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
A 78 year old man who wears a Wig, thick make-up and 5 inch heels complaining about cross dressing. He’s always projecting.
The Audacity of Krope
I gotta admit, I heard those pet eating comments circulating around the nut jobs in my life, but my jaw dropped when I heard Trump say it live on national television.
Republicans can conjure up enough plausible deniability to satisfy their own voters out of nothing, though, but I’m hoping this turns off every theoretical persuadable.
Baud
@The Audacity of Krope:
At least he said it without stuttering.
Misterpuff
Trump is gonna lose “by many whiskers” all from those cat and dog meals.
KatKapCC
I hate to sound like I’m defending the Times at all, and I didn’t see their “context” but…it’s not wholly out of line to provide context on that particular line. Trump makes it sound like Harris wants to round up all the immigrants and force sex-change surgery on them, when in actuality the issue is simply that gender-affirmation surgery should be considered part of normal health care provided to inmates, whatever their immigration status. I think it’s okay for the media to explain that, even if it’s not going to sink into the heads of the Maga morons.
The Audacity of Krope
He isn’t, after all, history’s greatest and weakest monster…
Steve LaBonne
@Baud: And his voice wasn’t raspy!
JPL
He’s racist. BTW trump who loves women said this last night
All I can say is that I read where she was not Black—that she put out, I’ll say that
JPL
double post
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
I was disappointed with Kamala last night. I was hoping she Would have wore a tan suit.
Baud
@KatKapCC:
I don’t know what the NYT said. But “wants to do” suggests involuntariness or, at a minimum, a desire that the thing be done.
Yes, you can parse it so it’s more reasonable, but why should we? Trump hasn’t earned good faith.
And is this even something Harris has even talked about, or is health care just something we libs support?
KatKapCC
@JPL: I took the “put out” thing to mean that her not being Black was something she put out there, like that she said it herself at some point. Which of course she never did because she’s fucking Black, but everyone thinks he just randomly called her a whore in the middle of a stupid answer about her racial identity and much as I believe he THINKS that I don’t think that’s what he was trying to burble out
But also fuck him I hope he strokes out.
Trollhattan
“And yells the sofa parts out loud” is how I first read that. Prefer my version TBH.
Ruckus
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch:
He’s always projecting – his lies!
FITFY.
Starfish
@KatKapCC: When we are talking about the treatment of trans-inmates, we can’t limit it to discussions about “Are states paying for gender affirming surgeries?”
We need to look at the whole picture:
– Are trans-inmates allowed to be with other inmates of their own gender, or are trans-women being put in dangerous situations by being housed with men?
– Are trans-inmates being removed from other forms of gender affirming care like hormones or puberty blockers?
– Do trans-inmates feel safe in the restroom facilities of their jails and prisons?
Barbara
@KatKapCC: Harris went to Howard University, a historically Black university, where she joined one of the oldest Black sororities in the nation. Even the barest bit of biographical information puts the lie to this particular obsession of Trump’s.
Ken
Even in the hands of a friendly interviewer. Noted by Aaron Rupar, JD Vance said on Fox News:
OK, I guess technically it misses “shitty”, but makes up for it with a breathtaking lack of self-awareness.
Ruckus
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch:
You couldn’t hear me but I laughed out loud.
Nice.
KatKapCC
@Starfish: Of course, but that’s not really part of the response to what he said.
JPL
@KatKapCC:The I’ll say that was the tell. He was told not to go there. This is a link to Aaron Rupar on threads. link
Starfish
@KatKapCC: We should really be deeply critical about how Trump is discussing trans people to create fear and bias against humans who want to go pee and play recreational sports.
There really hasn’t been enough pushback on this because most people don’t care about trans issues.
The way that Republicans repeatedly create fear of the unknown, whether that unknown is immigrants or trans-folks, is despicable.
laura
@KatKapCC: He most assuredly said he heard she put out. It was not unintentional. One of several planned misogynoir smears was that she slept her way to the top. It’s of a piece with his bullshitting ‘almost fatal helicopter crash in which fellow passenger Willie Brown blurted out a confession about how bad she was just moments before the helicopter avoided smashing into a hillside.’ He intended to sully her character on TV, slipping it in surreptitiously, but that failed to leave much of a mark and she ignored him and kept moving. In conclusion, fuck that guy.
Citizen Alan
@Starfish: I hate to say it, but we will never be able to deal with these issues surrounding trans-inmates without first dealing with the fact that a sufficiently large percentage of the US population believes that rape and sexual assault should be a part of the prison experience to the point that it is regularly a punchline in sitcoms.
Steve LaBonne
@laura: If there’s one person in the known universe who never, ever deserves interpretative charity, it’s Donald Trump.
JPL
@laura: I put up a link, but I missed it last night. When you watch the clip and her expression it’s obviously. He’s awful
@mistermix.bsky.social
Here’s a gift link to a Philip Bump column where he makes a point similar to Steve M’s — Trump is so marinated in the right wing nut-o-sphere that he can’t talk to normal people: https://wapo.st/3zeQS5g
(via Tom Hilton in Steve M’s comments)
Starfish
@Citizen Alan: Yes, people were joking about prison rape here, and we need to do better.
Matt McIrvin
@KatKapCC: Yes, and back in 2020 I recall some primary-campaign opposition to Harris on the grounds that she had at some point *opposed* that in the past.
KatKapCC
@Citizen Alan: Truth. Prison rape jokes make my blood boil, and yet a lot of people think it’s totally fine.
RevRick
No matter how hard the MSM might try to “balance” what happened at last night’s debate, the truth is there was a homicide in the Constitutional Center. Clips of Trump being dominated and beaten will bounce around the intertubes. And the Childless Cat Lady’s post will accelerate the process.
Jay
People actually killing pets:
-Kristi Noem
-Robert Kennedy Jr.
-Sarah Huckabee Sanders’ brother
-Catturd
People not killing pets:
-Haitian immigrants
zhena gogolia
@laura: Like “stand back and stand by.” Oh, what could that possibly mean? It means what you think it does.
laura
@JPL: Thank you. I watched the entire debate and was on alert for his absolute vile attacks- and boy, did he deliver. And yet, Madam Vice President strode out on the TV’s of America and did the thing while destroying him by denying him any legitimacy as a fit candidate for the office they seek. She refused to see him as he demands to be seen. Never, in all my born days, would I imagine the satisfaction of seeing a frail old man beaten in public and unable to defend himself.
zhena gogolia
@Jay: And if we include pet torture, Mitt Romney.
Starfish
@RevRick: That was not a homicide. That was a baby getting aborted in his 78th year.
catclub
This. For instance, a normal person would say which of all fifty Springfields he means. All his people knew which one.
Urza
@Ken: As of 11am EST NPR report 306,422 visitors to vote.gov referred from Taylors Instagram. https://www.npr.org/2024/09/10/nx-s1-5107976/taylor-swift-instagram-endorse-kamala-harris
So, guess that did matter a little bit.
KatKapCC
@Urza: Nice!
Redshift
@@mistermix.bsky.social: Yeah, I was saying the same thing this morning. I think it’s less that they’re deliberately trotting out weird wingnut-sphere stuff early, and more that TCFG and Vance genuinely don’t know what reality is any more, and that the normal people they need to appeal to aren’t already familiar with this stuff.
(I mean, I’m not giving them a pass on any of it — they’re in that mindset because they actively seek to talk only to people who already agree with them.)
KatKapCC
@Ken:
Um. Isn’t that who his running mate claims to be?
Baud
@catclub:
Haitian immigrants invented Whacking Day!
Kyle Rayner
@Starfish:
The even bigger picture than that is that a large part of the population believes that:
– Inmates deserve to be put in dangerous situations via their housing arrangements.
– Inmates deserve to have healthcare that is even worse than that of the general population.
– Inmates deserve to feel imperiled in the restroom facilities of their jails and prisons.
When we talk about trans inmates being safe and having access to care, this part of the population hears exceptionalism and preferential treatment. Bloodthirsty bastards.
Jackie
@The Audacity of Krope:
He actually said he saw it on TV. The monitor said it wasn’t; DonOLD said we’ll see… 🤦🏼♀️
catclub
@Redshift: When Trump says ‘Everybody wanted Roe overturned’, he means everybody he sees at mar-a-lago. Not a representative set.
Trollhattan
But enough about Elon Musk….
Another lurking lurker
@KatKapCC: That’s my normie husband’s interpretation. I don’t think the man who told opposing counsel Roberta Kaplan, “see you next Tuesday” deserves the benefit of the doubt. Gross.
sdhays
@@mistermix.bsky.social: What’s kind of amazing is that this marinating in the right-wing nut-o-sphere is what tripped up Rmoney in the second debate in 2012. He was sooo sure that Obama hadn’t said the word “terrorist” or whatever (as if it mattered) because Fox News had been telling everyone that for days, and yet Obama had, indeed said “acts of terror” in the speech in question. Oops!
lee
My concern at this point is the current version of the Russian Asset Comey, comes up with some bullshit at the last minute again.
Bupalos
With a disclaimer that my sister is trans and I do consider expanding trans acceptance to be a matter of very literal life and death…and maybe even deeper than that…. in an electoral context, I’m going to push back gently here. Now is a counterproductive time to cheer an expanding envelope on this issue, just as it is a counterproductive time to oppose fracking. These are righteous moral issues that need to take a back seat to politics for a couple months. For the sake of these very issues.
If Kamala can beat the odds and keep Trump out of the whitehouse, if Tester and Brown can beat the odds and get us a split in the senate… THEN we will have a lot of very hard math to do about the degree to which we plow forward on gender and climate. Right now the math is not hard. We will make no progress, we will tactically retreat and leave ourselves in position to make our decisions when the snow melts..
Scout211
I’ve been offline today and am catching up just now. I am really bummed that the Harris-Walz friendship bracelets are already SOLD OUT! Damn. I missed it.
They just started taking orders for them today and won’t ship until the 24th but they already sold out. 😭
Baud
Reddit thread on the OP topic.
Baud
Is our cities learning?
Groucho48
@Trollhattan: and Peter Thiel
Trollhattan
@Baud:
Hah, Arizona yet.
I like the phrase Prepaid Po-lice Pro-tection.
“Be a shame if nobody were watching those rooftops.”
Baud
JPL
@Scout211: Same!
JPL
@Bupalos: My hope is that republicans will become discouraged and stay home in Montana.
H.E.Wolf
Maybe he thinks he’s Louis XIV (“L’etat, c’est moi”).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_Louis_XIV
Baud
@JPL:
Agreed.
H.E.Wolf
@H.E.Wolf:
ETA: Fashion-forward, circa mid-17th century.
Ruckus
@Redshift:
By this time are they going to appeal to anyone else, anyone who doesn’t already agree with them?
I seriously do not believe that more than a handful of humans will join his side now unless they are there already. There is nothing in it for them. Now that doesn’t mean he will lose a lot of support but some will gravitate away, if they hear him speak. But new supporters? I seriously doubt it.
mrmoshpotato
@Citizen Alan:
And movies (Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, for one), including one animated kids’ movie from years ago whose title I can’t recall.
Bupalos
@Baud: On the low end of the range I hoped for, but deferring to electoral reality, all that matters is what the vote share was in this year’s key swing states. Where maybe it has blown out all expectations. I have no sense of whether the people who live in the random borders that determine this election understand they get 5X the power, and are thus more engaged… while everyone else gets nothing.
Which itself is a challenge to our democracy.
Baud
@Bupalos:
It’s the most important thing, but it’s not all that matters. The Senate and House matter too
ETA: So many people watch stuff online after the fact these days.
Trivia Man
@The Audacity of Krope: I got a chuckle out of erik son of erik chastising all the fellow deplorables – Nice going crazies! You said it so loud Dear Leader heard it and repeated it on TV!!
prostratedragon
@KatKapCC: I heard a comma there, as in listing separate things. I assumed that was the reason for the rather pointed “I’ll say that” aside. The man is useless even for his own good except where slipping in some nastiness is concerned.
Bupalos
@Baud: yes, 15 comments back:
Weftage
@Ken:
Taylor herself is doubtless pretty much as insulated as she wants to be*, but her massive legion of fans come from all backgrounds. Coucho Marks hasn’t a clue what’s coming for him.
*Well, apart from having to cancel those concerts due to terrorist threats
Bupalos
@Baud: True, but the rating number is probably a proxy for that. I’m just comparing numbers for the Biden melt down versus the Harris ninja masterclass.
zhena gogolia
I just watched Tim Walz’s interview with Rachel Maddow last night. I just simply enjoy listening to the guy. I don’t usually enjoy listening to politicians talk, even the ones I agree with. Buttigieg is an exception, and so is Walz. I could listen to him all day and night. His wife too.
TBone
@Steve LaBonne: amen!
Falling Diphthong
(rooting a little harder for my preferred outcome, that September goes so badly that in October he flees to Venezuela with the RNC’s campaign funds)
zhena gogolia
@Falling Diphthong: Oh, that would be nice. I was seeing him in a nice armored condo in Serebryanyi Bor, but this would also be good.
Bupalos
@Trivia Man: I had respect for this rightwing attempt to attract what is darkest in human beings. I even wrote a couple posts on how “eating pets” was going to work for them the same way the litterboxes did.
Trump totally TOTALLY fucked that up by airing it that way, out of his desperate feeling that he needed to turn that debate around. It’s still his election to lose, but he shows every sign of being likely to do the things he needs to do to lose it. Meanwhile Kamala has all her pitches working and a great gameplan.
Falling Diphthong
Fond Taylor Swift memory: During the pandemic, her cat was one of those strongly conveying “Why won’t the humans leave and let me sleep? You used to leave the house! Why are you changing my routine?!”
KatKapCC
@zhena gogolia: Tim totally feels like your friendly neighbor who comes over to help you repot some trees and you start chatting about sports and the new cafe in town and you mention an upcoming trip to a city you’ve never visited before and he calls up his buddy who lives there to get some sightseeing and restaurant recommendations for you.
cmorenc
@Starfish: The “whole picture” of prisons is that they are not safe places for anyone, let alone trans people. Only realistic way to protect them, as most US prisons are currently financed and run, is to put them in their own special cell block, which if there aren’t multiple trans people in a given prison effectively means semi-solitary confinement. The US prison system generally is short of cell space and staff.
zhena gogolia
@KatKapCC: You can’t fake that.
Ruckus
@Bupalos:
Advancement on issues that have 2 strong sides, even if one of the sides is a billion percent wrong will not see a lot of change without a major something. Effort, learning, law. Because those people have already made up their minds and are very likely deeply entrenched. That’s what got them be strong on one side or the other in the first place. A change in that sort of issue takes tact, work, effort, teaching to overcoming the opposition.
TBone
ABC entire debate transcript:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542
Scholars will be studying this for years to come (although it really is as simple as making the bully spit his Chiclets in front of the whole school).
CaseyL
@Trivia Man:
Tens of millions worship “Dear Leader,” but they’re not enough in and of themselves to get him elected this time around.
Erick Son of Erick is among the tens of millions more, the much more worrisome ones, who are perfectly well aware of what Dear Leader is, but are happy to have him in the WH as the front man while the *actual* rulers in his Administration turn the country into a Christo-fascist cesspool.
danielx
Not most, but sure as hell a sizeable fraction have been influenced by such a person for the better part of the last decade. Not to any good effect, either.
karen marie
@KatKapCC: But what you’re saying is not even true. Immigrants aren’t in custody long enough that any would qualify for surgery. People don’t just say “oh, I feel like the opposite sex” and book surgery. It’s a very lengthy process before a person gets near surgery.
@KatKapCC:
I check the news first thing every day when I wake up to see if this has happened.
Bupalos
@Ruckus: It takes those things and it takes time. Sometimes more, sometimes less. But time helps. We’ve made a lot of gains on people recognizing gender as having a big component of human construct in a fairly short time, considering how essential gender is to the way our societies are organized. Two months of quiet digestion will fit in the optimal trajectory of progress while reducing MASSIVE tactical risk.
rikyrah
philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) posted at 8:57 AM on Wed, Sep 11, 2024:
Fearless Fund, the VC firm that invests in women of color, agreed to end its small business grant contest for Black women business owners, ending a discrimination lawsuit
Fearless Fund was sued, accused of discriminating against non-Black businesspeople
https://t.co/eKJYzBcFX8
Hi I’m Solomon (@solomonmissouri) posted at 11:38 AM on Wed, Sep 11, 2024:
The grants were up to 20K … and helped 40 black women start and expand businesses since 2019…
Think about how sinister this lawsuit is…
EP 🤎 (@KingErin_) posted at 2:15 PM on Wed, Sep 11, 2024:
Especially when “Between 2009 and 2017, only 0.0006% of venture capital funding went to businesses started by Black women”
It’s insanely sinister.
(https://x.com/KingErin_/status/1833947460726661462?t=OetQJLLGRTgBWNc3qmLlRQ&s=03)
rikyrah
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(@RachelBitecofer) posted at 3:24 PM on Wed, Sep 11, 2024:
For nearly 3 years I had journalists ask me about Kamala’s supposed weaknesses and for 3 years I’ve told them they were manufactured by the Right to Hillary Clinton her and that actually she had immense political talent and I hope they’re thinking about that today.
(https://x.com/RachelBitecofer/status/1833964862504149092?t=KdQTa-Q5cEPgHS0WFwKKYA&s=03)
Trollhattan
@TBone:
If there’s anybody I pity is Perlstein contemplating his tome on the Trump Years.
Hell on earth, just as they were/are.
Ruckus
@Falling Diphthong:
I get it but still, you hope to inflict him on others?
We need to clean up our own mess, not send them away to even just possibly fuck over other people. Or to not pay for their part of the mess. Which for him is all of it.
rikyrah
Andrew Weissmann (weissmann11 on Threads/Insta)🌻 (@AWeissmann_) posted at 11:41 AM on Wed, Sep 11, 2024:
When do we start to reckon with the fact that we have grossly misjudged Kamala Harris – and deal with what it says about us and how we propose to learn from that error?
Uppity Black Faerie Gothmother of Metal 🖤 (@FountainPenDiva) posted at 0:37 PM on Wed, Sep 11, 2024:
#mouthypolitics101
YOU misjudged Kamala Harris.
YOU chose misogynoir.
YOU bought the legacy media’s bs about her.
YOU ignored Black women telling you her story is ours.
Do. Better.
(https://x.com/FountainPenDiva/status/1833922759921221722?t=_7QyaNvFjzSK8AdSzl_nZA&s=03)
WaterGirl
@KatKapCC: If rape isn’t “cruel and unusual punishment” I don’t know what is.
Sister Golden Bear
@Starfish:
From a 2021 CNN report, the vast majority of incarcerated trans people in America are still housed in facilities based on the sex they were assigned at birth.
2022 NPR story about how trans inmates often have to sue to get to access to gender-affirming care, including hormones.
A 2007 study from the University of California, Irvine, found that incarcerated transgender people were 13 times more likely to be sexually assaulted than a random sample of incarcerated men. Fifty-nine percent of transgender prisoners reported having been sexually assaulted within a California correctional facility compared to just 4.4% of the incarcerated population as a whole.
FWIW, it’s not just restroom facilities in jails and prison, trans women inmates are raped in their cells, often with guards turning a blind eye or actively encourage it.
KatKapCC
@zhena gogolia: True. Some people can pretend to be nice, but it’s usually pretty obvious when it’s so deeply genuine like it is with him. I also love how happy he always seems. Very jovial. I wonder if he’s ever played Santa.
Bupalos
I’m surprised I don’t see the word “Harris” more than I do in these threads.
Like, when I was riveted to the Cavaliers in 2016, you couldn’t go 2 sentences without coming upon “Lebron.” Y’all realize she’s ripping it up, right?
rikyrah
Jack Lobel (@jackplobel) posted at 0:10 PM on Wed, Sep 11, 2024:
“This weekend, @Swifties4kamala will host its first official phone bank in partnership with @VotersTomorrow. Members of the coalition will spend two hours on Saturday, Sept. 14 calling unregistered student voters in Wisconsin and Georgia, two swing states.”https://t.co/2Qb8VbQBSk
(https://x.com/jackplobel/status/1833916036803887432?t=ac68A1hRMPzf_4cm6IGaaw&s=03)
mrmoshpotato
@TBone: Wow. Dump went to crazytown immediately.
rikyrah
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(@skepticalbrotha) posted at 2:29 PM on Wed, Sep 11, 2024:
It will be especially sweet when Kamala Harris wins North Carolina even after the Republican NC Supreme Court put their partisan thumbs on the scale and removed RFK jr from the ballot after the deadline.
(https://x.com/skepticalbrotha/status/1833950982042014032?t=XVfs463xS35ejqy7jkjDkw&s=03)
rikyrah
Norman Ornstein (@NormOrnstein) posted at 1:31 PM on Wed, Sep 11, 2024:
It is easy to figure out what kind of deal Trump and Pompeo offered the Taliban: don’t kill Americans for 18 months, to give us political cover and after that, we will be fine if you kill as many Afghans as you want.
(https://x.com/NormOrnstein/status/1833936437055521055?t=eb8-0fjts95vj_lfN7ozPQ&s=03)
KatKapCC
@karen marie: True, though an immigrant might be arrested for something other than being undocumented. I don’t know how the process works if that happens, how long they might remain in prison here before, I presume, being sent back to their country of origin.
Re: the news — A couple weeks ago, a friend texted me early in the morning with “OMG it finally happened!!!” and I immediately checked the news thinking she meant he’d croaked, but she meant they’d gotten an offer on their house that had been on the market for a few months. I was like, woman. Do not tease me like that.
Sister Golden Bear
@Bupalos: Oh fuck off. We’re not going back in the closet until Election Day. Or ever.
rikyrah
Ian Sams (@IanSams) posted at 1:30 PM on Wed, Sep 11, 2024:
Former Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43 aide writes in The Atlantic:
“I’ve been watching presidential debates since 1976, and I’ve even been peripherally involved in a few. And I’ve never seen a candidate execute a debate strategy as well as Harris did.”
https://t.co/HKRiEBgG1V
(https://x.com/IanSams/status/1833936267622465920?t=JiDYF2dt_P4hxOhF1aXbVQ&s=03)
TBone
@Trollhattan: Were I in his shoes, I would hand in an “incomplete” on that assignment! 😂
Bupalos
@rikyrah: Yeah I wanted to ask you about what you think of the fact that Harris is laying down all time GOAT performance that is creating the hope…and somehow she’s not really the subject of most of the discussions here.
But then also about your “Biden is old because Harris is black” schtick. How do you feel about that line now?
KatKapCC
@WaterGirl: Agree 100%.
TBone
Comment of the Day:
Kirk
A slightly different topic – I’ve started wondering what we should focus on if we win bigly?
Oh, first we celebrate. But what are we prioritizing if Texas is more blue than red once the votes are counted (and litigated)? There’s enough going on here and in other places to think that if the Dobbs margin is better than 10% that’s in the realm of likelihood. So what do we do first with a landslide trifecta?
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(@eclecticbrotha) posted at 0:02 PM on Wed, Sep 11, 2024:
“The debate won’t matter” is DC punditry’s new manta.
But only because Trump lost decisively.
Had Trump routed Harris in the same way, the same pundits would be urging her to drop out of the race.
(https://x.com/eclecticbrotha/status/1833913934447014396?t=Dkl3Q-aCG7IMw5ywhFVDAA&s=03)
prostratedragon
@Steve LaBonne: Many-fold amen!
rikyrah
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(@JRubinBlogger) posted at 11:08 AM on Wed, Sep 11, 2024:
brilliantly put, from my colleague @michele_norris : “He who angers you conquers you. Wrong pronoun in this case, but she angered him. She goaded him. She pummeled him with facts. She pulled him off course. And she did it in a way that was fully authentic. But here’s the thing: He, too, was authentic. Both people showed up as themselves, and the contrast could not be more clear.”
wapo.st/3XHIODK
(https://x.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1833900422202790309?t=NdUB_ObzsHUZ2frDyPmflg&s=03)
Ken
@rikyrah: Although I doubt there will be a second Harris-Trump debate, it would be funny to see her do exactly the same thing*, and watch him fall for it again. Because you know he would, he has no ability to learn.
* That being to say “small crowds” or any of another dozen things that cause him to melt down.
Ruckus
@zhena gogolia:
You can’t fake that.
shitforbrains doesn’t even try to fake it. I don’t believe that he has a clue how to attempt to fake that.
My take is that he has aged out. Which means pretty much any thinking part of his brain stops actually working. Some bits and pieces will still have some concept of whatever it is that those parts do, but the hard stuff, the working, the logic, the things past just the minimum to stay alive start to quit doing what ever it is they do. One of the reasons we get old and stop being able to do things is that the brain gets older as well. When it gets to the basics, breathing, eating, sleeping and no more, then it’s getting close. For some this last process takes time, for others it goes at nearly light speed. SFB seems to me to be a light speed sort of shutdown type. I say this just from the evidence we all see.
rikyrah
Qondi (@QondiNtini) posted at 7:52 AM on Wed, Sep 11, 2024:
Told you all that “sorority party” comment was the end of him
It was heard loud and clear
(https://x.com/QondiNtini/status/1833851026790596958?t=9n-9UCZji2SKl5J35eXmAA&s=03)
zhena gogolia
@Bupalos: WTF are you talking about?
TBone
Mood music 🐾😹
https://youtu.be/XzOvgu3GPwY?si=7_LuP-7Pv_hHTG7k
Bupalos
@Sister Golden Bear: I appreciate the response and was of course not asking that of you, and would not ask that of my sister. To see what someone is saying you have to look at the context. Who, where, when.
What will 4th grade classrooms look like in 2 years if we time this wrong?
Ken
Although Conan’s “crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women” is appealing, I think court reform. Besides, it will have much the same result.
SatanicPanic
@Ken: he knew it was coming the first time. I think it’s important to note that last night was as restrained as he can be.
TBone
@Ken: 👍 I am too tired to put the cart before the horse today – that’s the biggest to-do on the (long ass) list.
KatKapCC
@Bupalos:
What is this supposed to mean?
Bupalos
@zhena gogolia: People not appreciating the otherworldly performance Kamala is turning in. Acting like this is normal and expected. I’m just surprised. As much as I was a “put her in” person, I didn’t expect this. I think since the switch and especially last night she’s performing in a way no one has a right to expect. No one should have expected. The way she pants Trump and turned this election around is a result of who she is. How she works. How much she cares. How cool she is.
When you see a fucking GOAT you usually hear the name. I put “harris” and “kamala” in the search here and the majority of mention’s were “Bupalos” and I was like WTF??!?!?
That’s all. I’m just like “how am I the one who’s talking about Kamala here?”
I think you people should think that’s weird.
rikyrah
Matt Murphy
@MattMurph24
Trump literally said about VP Harris last night “that she put out” and it’s not really getting any national news coverage.
1:09 PM · Sep 11, 2024
https://x.com/MattMurph24/status/1833930858820239421
SFAW
@KatKapCC:
Despite all the jackals disagreeing with you, it seems pretty clear to me that your interpretation is correct. DonOld does non-sequiturs from time to time, but generally only when he’s on one of his stream-of-(un)consciousness things, such as at a rally. In the context of his before-and-after sentence fragments, he was actually staying on topic.
Sure Lurkalot
@Ken:
With one minor edit, Peter Thiel would like a word with his puppet (that would be you, JD).
zhena gogolia
@Bupalos: I seem to recall a 700+ comment thread last night that was entirely about her astounding performance, followed by several more threads with lots of comments. Most people don’t put the words “Harris” or “Kamala” into their comments, because it’s understood. You are really taking the cake in finding things to complain about.
Citizen Alan
@Ken: Voting Reform. If we win big, it’s because the Dems were good enough and the GOP was awful enough to break through the power of gerrymandering. We must do whatever we can to destroy their ability to gerrymander us.
My dream is that we increase the size of the House to 4000 and neuter the power of the Electoral College, but I’m also realistic about that. But if we can break voter suppression in Texas and Florida, the EC may well cease to be a problem.
Old School
zhena gogolia
@rikyrah: Neither did “black jobs” until Michelle Obama highlighted it.
TBone
@mrmoshpotato: I said here yesterday – VP Harris has the built-in advantage over his confidence:
– she is a female
– she is Black
– she is a former prosecutor
– she is literate
Blam! He’s shook right off the bat!
SatanicPanic
@Bupalos: I dunno dude people seem pretty impressed
KatKapCC
@Bupalos: There has been plenty of discussion about it. But you also seem to think we all expected her to tank, which I’m guessing was not the case for most people here. And the more you insist on acting like her doing well was some kind of mind-blowing, shocking event, the more condescending you sound, like you just can’t believe the little girl actually did a good job.
different-church-lady
Saw a poll that had Harris up by 7 in Virginia and suddenly I’m not worried.
Citizen Alan
@Bupalos: It is interesting to me to contemplate how badly both Kamala and Hillary performed in their first Presidential runs. And how they both learned from that experience, became strong supporters of the men who defeated them in those runs, and were vastly better in their second runs.
Sister Golden Bear
@karen marie: I’ll add that getting bottom surgery in the U.S. requires getting approval letters from two mental health professionals (typically requiring months of counseling).*
It’s the only surgery with such a requirement, and the heavy gatekeeping is one reason genital reassignment surgery has the lowest regret rate (0.2-0.3%) of any surgery. For reference total knee replacement surgery regret rate is 6%. It’s also far lower than the regret rate for getting a Harry Potter tattoo.
For trans men, a 2023 JAMA Surgery article found that between 5% and 14% of all women who receive mastectomies to reduce the risk of developing breast cancer say they regretted doing so. However, less than 1% of transgender men who receive the same procedure report regret.
*Some surgeons also require trans women to get a mental health professional’s approval letter for facial feminization or breast augmentation—something cis women aren’t. Although if you’ve every watch Botched, there’s a good argument to be made that everyone should do some counseling before getting these sorts of body modification surgery (although requiring therapy does definitely pose some body autonomy issues).
Kayla Rudbek
@rikyrah: yeah, it’s maddening. The Patent Office had a presentation yesterday where the lack of VC funding for Black inventors was mentioned, and some of the panelists cited this organization https://inventtogether.org. Their estimate is that if BIPOC people and women of all races invented at the same rate as white men, it would boost the US economy by $1 trillion a year.
And that only 2 percent of all intellectual property lawyers are Black (I’m not sure if that’s just the patent lawyers or if they’re including trademark and copyright lawyers in that as well).
I am sorely tempted to have my IP 101 slide deck for the engineers have these two things: 1) everyone can be an inventor, and if you think you can’t, tell yourself “Lord, give me the confidence of a mediocre white man” and 2) don’t try to do the patent examiner’s job for them by talking yourself out of filing
Our society is like trying to drive a car whose alignment is so out of whack that it keeps on trying to pull you off the road (my personal summary of Critical Race Theory for engineers). You have to keep constantly steering to correct for this and move forward. And the really annoying thing is that half of the people in the car insist that there’s no problem.
zhena gogolia
@different-church-lady: Oh, goody! I want to stop worrying.
cain
@zhena gogolia:
They are really afraid of Walz. He’s so damn relatable. He will eat up all the midwest states. He looks and breathes like them. His hunting cap he wears is genius.
The Thin Black Duke
@zhena gogolia: Bizarre as it sounds, I think he’s implying that Kamala is being disrespected here.
zhena gogolia
@cain: I just look at him and think, he is going to get a lot of votes. The combination of the two of them is just DYNAMITE.
Kayla Rudbek
@Kirk: 1) voting rights 2) Supreme Court reforms
zhena gogolia
@The Thin Black Duke: I really don’t know what that is based upon.
HumboldtBlue
Bupalos
@zhena gogolia: I’m not complaining. I read this entire thread and had a reaction because a name was mostly missing. You probably aren’t going to read it because you and I have engaged ego’s before and that’s probably why you were attracted to respond here. But I’m telling you. People aren’t sufficiently appreciating Kamala and what they owe a very real, very particular, very unique person for what she’s done for them.
The subject of this post is “going full nutcase early.”
That didn’t just happen, isn’t just happening. That needed someone to make it happen, someone to perform. Someone to prepare and strategize and lay it out and walk out on a stage and make it happen. Who is that someone?
Citizen Alan
For the record, I have no regrets about my Harry Potter tattoo,
zhena gogolia
@The Thin Black Duke: I have not seen the slightest criticism of Harris’s performance, and I have taken today off to just read comments here and watch videos. The only thing I could see as even the slightest disparagement was somebody saying she was nervous for the first 5 minutes. (I didn’t appreciate that, because I DON’T GIVE A F–K ABOUT THE FIRST 5 MINUTES, but you can hardly call that disrespect.)
Lyrebird
Earlier is better for countering the nastiness, agreed!
I am overly optimistic, but I hope that this idea that some of the immigrant slander might cost Rs some seats in Florida.
TBone
@Old School: so proud to be from Philly, PA (well, really, really close, anyhow). I frickin’ love Four Seasons Total Landscaping.
I’m tellin’ youse guys, we need to erect a monument there!
Chet Murthy
@Ken: Abortion rights, Voting rights, then court reform. The latter two, I don’t know what order.
zhena gogolia
@Bupalos: I was attracted to respond by your ridiculous comment.
SatanicPanic
@KatKapCC: there were plenty of people (maybe not here) suggesting she’d be worse than Biden because her first campaign imploded and because her approval ratings were lower. But again I think people are suitably impressed
rikyrah
@KatKapCC:
Once again..
SANESPLAINING
Nope nope nope
zhena gogolia
@SatanicPanic: I DID NOT SEE ANYONE HERE SAYING THAT
KatKapCC
@Bupalos: Are you trying to sound as patronizing as possible? Because mission accomplished.
HumboldtBlue
Kamala HQ is on fire.
zhena gogolia
@rikyrah: He knew exactly what he was saying.
I’ll say it again: “stand back and stand by”
They tried to explain that one away too.
NeenerNeener
@Ruckus: And if he wins that’s what Vance will use to shove him out using the 25th Amendment. It doesn’t seem to have occurred to Trump that he himself is in danger, although maybe that’s why he’s so indignant on Biden’s behalf and thinks Biden should demand his spot on the ticket back.
Bupalos
@zhena gogolia: right. That’s what I said.
Sister Golden Bear
@Bupalos: Your concern trolling is duly noted. Now fuck off some more.
TBone
@HumboldtBlue: the perfect date for that article, too.
SFAW
@Old School:
That’s pretty effing funny.
Sure Lurkalot
@@mistermix.bsky.social: I usually cringe a bit reading Steve M (No More Mister Nice Blog) because he too often grants right wingers superpowers and can be Debbi Downer on steroids, but today’s post was spot on.
I’m reposting from this morning some tweets from David Frum (of all people, yikes) because he makes the same observation. Republicans are fully vested in Trump’s version of America and it’s a closed loop of crazy conspiracies and lies.
The Thin Black Duke
@zhena gogolia: Hey, I wasn’t pushing that peculiar narrative, I was just trying to decipher what Bupalos was putting out there. I’m sorry for not communicating that clearly.
KatKapCC
@rikyrah: That is not what I’m doing. I think he’s a raving loon and a bastard. I saw that clip in question and I simply interpreted that one clause differently. I can fully admit that I might be wrong. But I’ll ask you not to imply that I am somehow trying to buttress him as a candidate or a person or that I don’t think he’s one of the worst people to ever walk the Earth simply because there might be more than one way to take something.
TBone
@Bupalos: I been talking ’bout VP Harris here all damn day.
zhena gogolia
@Sister Golden Bear: 😂
zhena gogolia
@The Thin Black Duke: I know. I was agreeing with you. Sorry if I wasn’t clear.
Ken
I had to click through to check whether you meant literally. Yet another reason to crush Trump.
zhena gogolia
@TBone: But did you use the words “Harris” or “Kamala”?
Sister Golden Bear
@zhena gogolia: Concern troll gonna concern troll.
Anoniminous
With Teh Yooths registering in record numbers the stage is being set for a D landslide. Tufts has the info: Top 50 U.S. House Races Where Youth Can Shape 2024 Election Results
Baud
@HumboldtBlue:
I hadn’t seen the “sarcastically” part. That’s pretty funny.
TBone
@Lyrebird: I am attracted to optimism, thank you for sharing.
HumboldtBlue
@zhena gogolia:
Hahahahahaha…
KatKapCC
@Sister Golden Bear: I’m pretty sure this is the same person who would not shut up for days about whether or not Michelle Obama had second thoughts about discussing generational wealth since her children will have money thanks to their parents.
Baud
@TBone:
Here you go
prostratedragon
@H.E.Wolf: Can anyone imagine 72 years of TFG in the White House? Dude managed to get his great-grandson killed.
The Thin Black Duke
@zhena gogolia: Well, I started it by engaging with what you-know-who said in the first place. It’s frustrating. He seesaws between an insightful commentator to an agent of chaos.
Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled blog: KAMALA IS A GODDESS.
(is that loud enough?)
HumboldtBlue
The drone show for Kamala last night was pretty epic.
rikyrah
@Bupalos:
Harris having to run for President like this is the most Black woman thing ever.
100 days in order to save democracy.
Nothing heavy on her shoulders.
She was my first choice in 2020. Nothing that has happened from her surprises me. Because, I know that any Black woman who has gotten to the heights that she has….is far and above the crowd.
And, no….will never let folks forget the routine forgetting of Harris by those trying to push out President Biden.
SFAW
@HumboldtBlue:
I liked the “[Trump’s] always well prepared” comment.
Well, if “snorting and rolling my eyes” == “liked,” that is.
Bupalos
@Sister Golden Bear: Quick translation of your (understandably) thoughtlessly aggressive post: “It doesn’t matter what 4th grade classrooms look like in 2 years, if you pretend to think that matters you’re a concern troll.”
For the record I 100% support you just going online and flaming everything in sight that looks a little like something. You see, I grew up in the same room with someone suffering gender dysphoria and I have a perspective on this. When she found where she was supposed to be, all the violence and anger was gone and she was who she was the best person she could be and (with complications) I gained the sibling everyone told me I had the first 13 years. Which sounded like they were insane to me.
Before that? She was firing high-powered slingshots at birds to kill them. She was all in black leather and studs and carried “throwing stars.” She was inviting other destabilized people around who got off on shocking cis 12 year olds with a peak at their violent concepts.
You don’t know how deep I’m in this or how committed I am.
Mike E
@Citizen Alan: yeah except that it’s more of an indictment on the way candidacy and campaigning is so uniquely distorted in this corporate-controlled media landscape. Oftentimes whomever survives the death march to the final election is the result of a capricious and random frivolity, not competent scholarship of the issues. But here we are… what’s different now is a shortened election window, something other democracies do that we ought to adopt (that, and killing Citizens United).
Dan B
@rikyrah: This news boils my hide. There’s outright direct discrimination and then there are the subtle versions. Harvard’s an example. Since the Supremes decided that it was illegal to assist black applicants the number of black students is down 20%.
Racism doesn’t have yo be cruel to result in cruelty it only has to crush advancement and hope.
SFAW
@HumboldtBlue:
Holy shit, that was real? Not CGI? Fucking amazing.
TBone
@zhena gogolia: 🤣
I started calling her VP Harris in every comment recently. It’s a respect thing.
Bobby Thomson
Lisa Blunt Rochester will be a tie for the U.S. Senate’s third elected Black woman and the fourth overall.
KatKapCC
@Bupalos:
You think you have more of “a perspective” on the topic than Sister Golden Bear, who is trans? You think knowing someone who is trans means you understand it better than she does? You think you’re more committed than she is?
I used to think you were just irritating. Now you’re proving to be a complete and utter asshole.
Dan B
@Ruckus: I don’t think Maduro would tolerate Trumps egotistical shenanigans for a second. Trump would be gone or locked up with great speed.
Chet Murthy
@TBone: Ditto here. Same reason.
SFAW
@Bupalos:
This is the most interesting comment of yours that I’ve ever read. I’m being serious. I’m glad your sister is OK.
Now, if only you would STFU about politics and concern trolling and complaining and similar. You’re really kinda tiresome in that arena.
3Sice
Soylent Green is dog!
TBone
Thanks, Baud, more music to my ears!
Old School
@HumboldtBlue:
Here’s another little clip from the drone show.
Bupalos
@rikyrah: Explain that last bit. I never got that.
“Biden is old because harris is black.”
For me, Biden was old because “THAT GUY ISN’T FUNCTIONING and the ONLY reason you’re sticking with him is you don’t trust Harris.” Which is the opposite of Biden is old because Harris… Though if we continue to “is black…” I can see “don’t trust the American people to support her…”
But…. WRONG!!!! WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!
She was immediately a little more popular than whitegramps, and in like 2 minutes was more popular because DUH. And now is doing stuff Biden could never do. NEVER. Not at 25,35,45,55,65,75… Biden at 65 would lose this election, and she might win it.
TBone
@Baud: thank you! More music for my ears 😊
Starfish
@Sister Golden Bear: Thanks for looking up various reports and linking them! I am hoping that Harris will revisit some of these issues in her administration.
I liked the work that Clinton was doing to get teens out of adult prisons.
TBone
@HumboldtBlue:
💙💚💙
so homesick now (in a great way)
Thank you!
SFAW
@KatKapCC:
Maybe I’m not reading Bupalos’s comment correctly, but I didn’t see it as I trying to one-up Sister Golden Bear.
Bupalos deserves getting flamed for the concern trolling (etc.), but maybe not for talking about his family?
But, as Omnes could tell you, I’ve been worng plenty of times in the past.
Bupalos
@SFAW: Sorry, without aggression, I’m (shockingly) not here for you, I’m here for me. I’m here to work out my own thoughts and have them challenged by the internet-infected part of the spectrum that I respect the most. No I will not STFU, and if you missed that my sis is trans, you just aren’t that engaged. Probably the 90th time I’ve raised it, was engaged in the Planet Eddy phase… don’t know what to tell you.
Dan B
@rikyrah: What seemed apparent to me is Harris started out rather tame and lured Trump into thinking he’d have an easy time with her. After fifteen or twenty minutes she ramped it up and kept building her intensity with occasional reductions, quite likely to lure him into believing he would have some openings. She played him.
KatKapCC
@SFAW: He can talk about his family without the very clear implication that because his relative is trans, he has some super special insight into trans issues that an actual trans woman simply could not understand. He’s being a prick.
Sister Golden Bear
@SFAW: Drone shows have become amazingly impressive.
A behind-the-scenes video about how they’re done.
lowtechcyclist
@Kyle Rayner:
This. Too many people seem to think it’s OK if prison is a jungle where nobody is free from the threat of violence. It’s not. Incarceration is a sufficient punishment by itself; violence and sexual assault shouldn’t be added on top of that. Physical safety, adequate nutrition and medical care shouldn’t be something that inmates of any sort have to do without.
Sister Golden Bear
@Dan B: She did an impressive rope-a-dope. With an actual dope.
Starfish
@Bupalos: Rachel Levine would like to have a word with you.
There are several trans politicians in state politics, and it is only a matter of time before we start seeing more in federal politics.
—
Climate is not a negotiable. We have one planet, and if we continue to screw around on this issue, we destroy the only planet we have.
Some people want to get into petty slap fights between environmental capitalism and degrowth, but the captured capitalistic systems that we are operating on are going to have to be changed.
We can’t have companies arguing to mislead consumers on whether a plastic is recyclable or not.
Bupalos
@lowtechcyclist: This is a kinda silly comment from me but… as a norm I’m legit surprised Shawshank Redemption did nothing for prison reform.
As someone who spent a looong time in postgrad education…People across societies have a deep need to inflict harm on the folks that step outside the social boundaries. And some of the ways prisons in america became humane in physical terms around 1900 probably dictated the current toleration or celebration of psychological cruelty.
Mike E
Keep feeding the vampire troll, brilliant strategy.
Bupalos
@Bupalos: Rachel Levine would like to have a word with you.
Well the point is I’d like to encourage her to have that word with me (who will be all YOU FUCKING GO GIRL!!! THANK YOU!!!) and not on a billboard in UP Michigan in late 2024 as Trump looks for the last 300 votes he needs to take power.
Timing is everything.
Bupalos
@Mike E: I forgot. Who would you prefer as our candidate again?
You the vampire, yo.
Sister Golden Bear
@SFAW:
I’m glad things worked out for his sister, but it’s far from the first time he’s told me that he as a cis “ally” knows trans issues and stakes better than I, an actual trans woman do, and that if I and other trans people don’t go back into the closet until Election Day, then we’ll be responsible for all the hell that a Trump administration will unleash on us. Victim pre-blaming anyone?
It’s become more than just concern trolling and straight up fauxgressive asshole behavior.
Bupalos
@Sister Golden Bear: I never said I know them better than you. Cite it.
I’m giving you my experience as someone who grew up cis in the 1980’s in the same room as someone struggling with this. Where we didn’t have the language, the resources, the scope to know what we were looking at.
You should really retract that thing about “he’s told me he knows more about….” or else cite. Even one post. Even just from memory. You’re lying and it makes me angry.
MagdaInBlack
@rikyrah: Wait, what??
( i did not watch, catching up now)
Bupalos
@Sister Golden Bear:
Cite it. You’ll know the rage I feel right now. Cite it.
Maybe you don’t.
Where ONE TIME ONE FUCKING TIME did I tell you “as an ally” that I know the issues and stakes better than you???!!?!?!?? Where. When. I don’t need you to search, I’m inviting you to make up the words you think you heard. Just imagine what it is you are even trying to accuse me of and write it down
Since it’s FAR FROM THE FIRST TIME you should be able to come up with some kind of version of what you think you hear from someone you think was me. Let’s hear it.
Dan B
@cain: During the debate I kept thinking of how Tim Walz would have responded to questions and to Trump. As a prosecutor she has vast expertise in making sure that judge, jury, and witnesses understand what she’s saying but that can include a lot of words. Walz, as a teacher, National Guard leader, and coach understands how to get people to think so if they encounter different experiences they can reach an appropriate decision. And he knows how to get people to feel good even as he’s showing them that their thinking may be narrow or flawed. Kamala, the prosecutor, has little need to praise the criminal or those whose judgement is wrong. Much of the time Walz would flatten Trump and DJT would not realize he’d been whipped. I could see Trump smiling that “Walz must be complimenting me!” when Walz had demonstrated Trumps loathsome ideas, or lack thereof. I’m looking forward to Tim, the emotionally brilliant, versus the JD lost in intellectual labyrinths and Gordian knots.
zhena gogolia
@The Thin Black Duke: Good!
zhena gogolia
@HumboldtBlue: I love that! (I hate fireworks)
zhena gogolia
@Sister Golden Bear: 😄😂💜
Bupalos
@Bupalos: I’m going to (probably) finish this conversation myself. Golden Bear probably and understandably heard something in this exchange that sounded like something she’s heard a lot of times before and transposed me into the place of the person or people she’s heard that from.
I’m pretty confident I’ve never written anything here or elsewhere that could even be interpreted the way she is suggesting. I’m confident of that because it’s just not possible. If she finishes this exchange, it won’t include anything I’ve written before. She just confused me with the dozens or hundreds of other personalities that are involved with running down trans people in various ways, some of them subtle. And it would be exhausting to keep track. But you missed on this one.
Dan B
@Bupalos: I believe you’re saying that the public is not yet fully on board with the need for trans people to have robust rights, that more marketing and education is necessary. But you seem to be using your words poorly, if I’m reading you correctly. You came across as though trans people need to wait their turn, perhaps even go back in the closet. At any rate I believe it would behoove you to stop trying to prove that your intentions are good. There are times to be quiet, especially when you’ve accidentally stirred up a beehive. They’re not going to listen to soothing mouth sounds. Please call it quits for everyone’s sake.
Quiltingfool
@Sister Golden Bear: Thank you for explaining surgery requirements for trans women/trans men. I’m so tired of people thinking anyone can get those procedures quickly. Really? Have these people ever had ANY surgical procedure?
To get a knee replacement, well, I had to lose weight, then have several X-rays to show there was no cartilage anymore, plus I went to a Joint Replacement seminar, where I learned all sorts of good-to-know things. I’m one of the 94% that has zero regrets about getting a new knee!
I am so glad you are here.
SFAW
@Bupalos:
Is this where I’m supposed to say “get over yourself”? Seems about right.
I am sure that I’m a bad person, because I didn’t know — or forgot? I dunno, maybe I’m getting forgetful — that your sister is trans. And I guess I should be oh-so-grateful that you did not preface your reply with “are you a troll, person-that-I’ve-never/rarely-seen-before-and-who-doesn’t-know-my-life-story?” [Well, actually, my being a bad person has nothing to do with you, fortunately for you.] But thanks for sharing. And it’s certainly a thrill to have you attempt to shit on me after I made what passes for a nice comment to you (about your sis).
And I didn’t really expect you to STFU about politics — an area where you some to be out of your league, but Professors Dunning and Kruger would have a sad if you did.
Bupalos
@Dan B: I’m not trying to prove anything. It’s a bad idea to talk about trans rights for the next two months. It’s a bad idea to talk about how fracking and low gas prices are going to end civilization. Those are both real moral issues. Sometimes we retreat and wait.
I’m also increasingly angry about people (not GB) who haven’t actually lived with this issue lecturing me. Trans rights are human rights, gender definitions are the opposite of freedom. Also this is not popular in America in mid september 2024 and we’re about to decide between a right winger and a centrist so yes let’s shut the fuck up for a minute LIKE WE’RE PRETENDING FRACKING IS AWESOME which is a LIE that we’re FAKING that will END THE WORLD if we keep on with it after December.
SFAW
@KatKapCC:
@Sister Golden Bear:
Thanks for the insights. [Being serious, not snarky.] Nothing I can add.
Well, I could, but it would be useful-content-free. [Which would be par for the course for me.]
Bupalos
@SFAW: Couldn’t read this one after the second sentence. I’ll engage later.
I’m really really up in my emotions right now about being accused this way. It’s 12 year old stuff, it runs deep.
SFAW
@Bupalos:
I’ll probably ignore it, so save your energy.
Bupalos
Retract or cite. “FAR from the first time.” Should be easy. You should remember, just like I will always remember this accusation.
SatanicPanic
@zhena gogolia: fair enough
SFBayAreaGal
My pie filter is getting quite the workout from one troll.
Bupalos
@SFAW: No, like I said, I’m not here for you, I’m here for me. I’ll continue to be honest and see what people are like.
Though I’ll also always do the math for “people act differently online than they would if they really thought that was a real person.”
Bupalos
@SFBayAreaGal: when you want to do a cruelty, but want it to be laundered.
KatKapCC
@Bupalos: On top of IN THIS VERY THREAD you claiming you have unique and special insight and commitment to trans issues, you are now being harassing and abusive toward a trans woman and calling her a liar. If you don’t want people to think you’re a bigoted jerk, you might want to rethink your commenting strategy here.
Shalimar
@KatKapCC: He gets off on arguing and insulting people over the stupidest things, to the point where he has derailed entire threads into hundreds of posts just about what a jerk he is. Bupalos is why we have a pie filter.
Shalimar
@SFBayAreaGal: Same here. I only have one person pied, so it’s always easy to know who everyone is wasting their time talking to.
piratedan
@Kayla Rudbek:
There’s a LOT that can be done… I think back on what the campaign has made an issue of….
voting rights, judicial reform and expansion, gun control, debt relief, climate change, bodily autonomy and self identification
and there’s more that have been back-burnered due to the GOP making drama over shit that they’ve committed to… no more government hostage taking on the budget, ditching the filibuster, making DC a state, allowing people in US territories self-determination and representation.
Bupalos
@KatKapCC: Nope. I was accused very specifically.
I’ll wait for a response to what Golden Bear was thinking of. She won’t come up with anything, because she was mistaken. Most people here won’t credit that the accusation was hurtful to me and that’s why I’m flying off the handle, because a cis person who grew up with this issue in the 80’s is not part of the conversation here. How it affected my mother who was born in 1940 and ended up navigating this like a champ is not part of the conversation. That’s fine.
I’ll wait. We have a statement. This is FAR FROM THE FIRST TIME I’ve offended GB. OK, cite one. Just make it up. These people will all believe whatever you claim.
Bupalos
Cite it.
KatKapCC
@Bupalos: Cis people’s experiences will never take precedence over trans people’s lives in this discussion. If you refuse to accept that, you are not an ally.
You have also proven that you are not worthy of having a conversation, because you don’t know how to have one.
Bupalos
@KatKapCC: I think that’s probably true within the context here. Internet conversations are not the same as real life conversations, they have their own rules, and their own algorithmically defined spaces that they occur within.
Golden Bear didn’t respond with a cite for her accusation because she was mistaken.
Ruckus
@KatKapCC:
This. All of it.
I’ve voted for Kamala Harris prior to the upcoming vote and more than once because I live in CA. I’ve seen what she can do, that she’s not aged out but is experienced. Sure she can get mad/exasperated when dumb asses(shitforbrains….) do/say stupid things but she was CA attorney general, and one of our senators. She is smart, well educated and takes her jobs seriously. SFB wants to be president to keep his ass out of jail. And that’s just one issue that shows that he was crap the first time and will be dramatically worse if he gets back in.
Matt McIrvin
@sdhays: He never once used the phrase “radical Islamic terrorism”! He phrased it in some slightly different way instead, proving his perfidy I guess.
Matt McIrvin
@Citizen Alan: Increasing the House only fixes the small-state bonus, not the outsize influence of winner-take-all electoral voting in large purple states. (Which there is not an obvious good solution for because it’s a collective-action problem: if only the states controlled by our party abandon it, it makes everything worse.)
Ruckus
@zhena gogolia:
As someone who used to be involved in professional sports part time for over 2 decades and full time for a decade as an official, I can attest that standing in front of a large audience in a tuxedo working award banquets or working public events with 30K to 100K spectators or even just being among a lot of sports personal, some of whom are/can be just a BIT pompous, even someone like me can be a bit on the defensive side. But having done this for over 3 decades I can attest that I’m not even close to how some people feel in any sized crowd. I’ve had to get in the middle of fights, had to work in the rain, or more often stand in the sun all day, on occasion drive a large truck with a 50 ft trailer across the country, be on first name basis with flight attendants, eat most of your meals in restaurants of varying quality, sleep in hotels of varying quality, sometimes carry tens of thousands of dollars back to the office on public airplanes and mostly smile all the while. I have stories….. most of them will remain untold stories on the internets.
Ruckus
@NeenerNeener:
I think this is a good take, (been away and on the phone for a while…) Very little of anything in any way intellectual happens in that excuse for an operational brain that shitforbrains carries around and has mostly turned on to some sort of idiotic dumbass station. Which may just be the way his brain actually “works” – such as it is…
So little actually occurs to him, it’s almost always just his very defective character arguing that he’s the best human on the planet, when he’s not even in the top
75%95% of humans.