Kamala after the debate https://t.co/YJBnzGatMx pic.twitter.com/3hyigU4ZnR
— vituperativeerb (@vituperativeerb) September 10, 2024
"Do you have a plan?"
"I have concepts of a plan."
If Biden answered a question like this, the entire media would be talking about it for the next 48 hours.
— Destiny (@TheOmniLiberal) September 11, 2024
What made the vibes of that debate so bad for Trump is that nobody's gonna want to vote for the guy who said weird shit while a pretty girl laughed at him, this has been ingrained in our psyches since middle school pic.twitter.com/py9FlFy6Wc
— Swann Marcus (@SwannMarcus89) September 11, 2024
(A point made more crudely — using manosphere terms — by a parody account here.)
Sounds like he's having an off night. He's normally so dialed in and disciplined. https://t.co/O6QzOfIkOh
— River_Tam (@RiverTamYDN) September 11, 2024
.@jrpsaki: “Donald Trump offered no competing vision because Donald Trump has no vision. He does not even have, as he claimed, ‘concepts of a plan.’” pic.twitter.com/2BlqxSYnMI
— Inside with Jen Psaki (@InsideWithPsaki) September 11, 2024
"Harris Managed To Do TV Better Than Trump: The vice president was, simply put, better at the medium the ex-president mastered." – @samstein https://t.co/SrCbC9ccKY
— Tim Miller (@Timodc) September 11, 2024
… The defining image of the night will be the wide shots of the stage: a dour Trump—appearing joyless and increasingly agitated—never seemed to look at Harris once. She, by contrast, shifted her body to the right when he spoke, turning to him like a mother addressing a child in tantrum, or to look on confusedly as he went on a rant.
In the end, Harris beat Trump at the business of television, which is a remarkable achievement, and probably one that Trump will rue. For him, television is gospel.
Harris and her team get most of the credit for this. The preparations she made for the night were evident throughout. She and her aides went in with a plan to bait Trump into overreactions. And he took it—repeatedly fumbling debate sections that would have favored him (on subjects like immigration, inflation, and Afghanistan) to address sideshow topics that Harris tossed out like chum to a hungry shark (just how much was his inheritance???).
Which is to say that it was not just Harris’s prep work but also Trump’s shortcomings that decided the night. He was unable to keep his focus or cool. He never got around to saying he’d veto a national abortion ban, he invited the idea that he’d once more try and repeal Obamacare, and he refused to say he wants Ukraine to win. To be fair, it’s possible that he believes a veto should be off the table, that Obamacare should be repealed, and that the Russians are the good guys. But smart debaters can deftly maneuver around this type of tripwire. Trump allowed Harris to get to the right of him on China and crime. He called himself a leader on “fertilization.” He glommed on to online MAGA’s fever dream that dogs are being eaten by migrants in Ohio. His closing remarks touched on energy policy in . . . Germany…
And it was driven fully home when the debate was over, the second-most-interesting visual of the night was produced. There was Trump, coming out into the spin room, the place where a candidate sends his or her deputies to work the press—since God knows that’s the purview of the plebs, not the person in charge…
I’m not even seeing anyone on the right try and claim Trump came out on top. They’re just whining about the moderators
I’ve only seen clips and haven’t watched the whole thing, but this must have been a worse massacre than any debate in 2016 or 2020 by a wide margin
— Swann Marcus (@SwannMarcus89) September 11, 2024
Full thread of highlights from tonight's Harris/Trump debate ?? https://t.co/GTEhkjwDIG
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 11, 2024
"She wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison."
He took every right-wing fever swamp fear and rolled them into one.
— Jeremy Wilcox (@jwilcox79) September 11, 2024
Not to get too deep into the details (and leaving aside Chelsea Manning’s case): The ‘transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison‘ accusation went through the Massachusetts legal system in a case a dozen years or so ago. It was ruled that the government owes those in its custody generally accepted standards of medical care, even to particularly vile murderers, and even care that not every citizen agrees *should* be generally accepted. So a detained ‘illegal alien’ would be entitled to hormone replacement and other accommodations, though I doubt there will be a spate of cases where individuals are held in the U.S. long enough to qualify for reassignment surgery.
Trump walks into a Kamala Harris counter
Trump: She is Joe Biden.
Harris: I am not Joe Biden. And I’m certainly not Donald Trump. What I do offer is a new generation of leadership
Trump flails in response pic.twitter.com/HsRhPVjStk
— Acyn (@Acyn) September 11, 2024
You can literally pinpoint the exact moment where Trump lost the debate. pic.twitter.com/yzNV9BCpu9
— Brian Tyler Cohen (@briantylercohen) September 11, 2024
Pop Crave shares with its 1.8 million followers:
“In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs, the people that came in, they’re eating the cats, they’re eating the pets of the people that live there.”
– Donald Trump on immigration during the presidential debate pic.twitter.com/0A6UEeAwtd
— Pop Crave (@PopCrave) September 11, 2024
CNN Poll:
Pre-debate:
50% of watchers expected Kamala to win, 50% expected Trump to win.Post debate:
63% say Kamala won, 37% say Trump won
— Ben Dreyfuss (@bendreyfuss) September 11, 2024
"He's aging and it shows" — CNN is openly talking about Trump's decline pic.twitter.com/0Ve9o5CASr
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 11, 2024
Trump is in the spin room ranting about poll numbers fed to him by his campaign: "I think it was the best debate personally that I've had…She wants to do another one because she got beaten tonight…The polls are indicating that we got 90%, 60%, 72%, 71%, and 89%." pic.twitter.com/AzBCdV9eCI
— Republican Voters Against Trump (@AccountableGOP) September 11, 2024
I really should not be such a partisan Democrat given how many things I don’t like about them, but the GOP forced this on me
I learned it from you, dad!
— Swann Marcus (@SwannMarcus89) September 11, 2024
“WHY WOULDN’T YOU LOOK AT HER??”?????? https://t.co/31Ufe0bOyp
— Rex Chapman???? (@RexChapman) September 11, 2024
I’m starting to think perhaps Matt Gaetz, Laura Loomer, and Tulsi Gabbard are not top-tier debate coaches idk.
— Colton Long (@ColtonMLong) September 11, 2024
lmao whichever Trump campaign aides who allowed Laura Loomer to be the last person Trump hangs out with before the debate should be fired, and probably imprisoned https://t.co/a2OfeM8qvl
— Tony (@realtonysm1th) September 11, 2024
We are so back, the crypto-Republicans are complaining about the umpire pic.twitter.com/X4BHadiylZ
— Swann Marcus (@SwannMarcus89) September 11, 2024
Kosh III
I stole this from someone on Facebook
“So what happened wuz…a sexually repressed right winger overheard some Haitian say: “I like eating pussy.”
Princess
“Concepts of a plan” is *chefskiss* but also it insulates Harris against any whining that she hasn’t sufficiently fleshed out her policy proposals.
Baud
Good morning. Happy to hear it went well. Sounds like the moderators were a little better than last time.
From my perusing the internet, “concept of a plan” may be the long-term meme winner, although “they eat cats” will prevail in the short-term.
Tony Jay
Ken
“And when I ask people outside my family….”
Seriously, where do you suppose he got those numbers? I expect he invented them on the fly, but it’s possible the person who follows him with the emotional support printer and a mixtape of Cats had pre-printed some fake articles knowing he’d need them.
zhena gogolia
Why does Swann Marcus have Perov’s portrait of Dostoevsky as his avatar?
different-church-lady
HE NEVER FUCKIN’ “MASTERED” TV EITHER, YOU DISGUSTING HACKS.
Baud
@different-church-lady: He mastered their hearts.
zhena gogolia
@different-church-lady: I know, sigh
Ken
@different-church-lady: There are many reasons I hope for a rapid collapse of Trump and Trumpism, but one minor one is that we might finally see the outtakes from “The Apprentice”. If the production assistants are to be believed*, it sometimes took a dozen takes before he could get out “You’re fired”.
* My main reason for believing them being, as always, that what they say agrees with my priors.
prostratedragon
How alogorithms work: watched a video of highlights of last night’s debate and noticed that a couple of vids down in the queue was one offering rare color footage from inside the Hindenburg.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I was super nervous going into that debate last night. Then I thought Harris was winning, but I wasn’t sure I could trust my own biased judgement. So I was extremely relieved to see all the reactions. Harris killed it
Baud
@zhena gogolia: Why don’t you?
Old Man Shadow
Good for her.
And good to know we won’t be arguing about replacing her with Walz for a month.
Jeffro
I don’t know which I enjoyed more: the “9 years? And you still don’t have a plan to replace the ACA?” “I HAVE CONCEPTS OF A PLAN!” exchange, or that he actually DOUBLED DOWN ON THE FAKE PET-EATING STORY!
ye gods, what a night!
zhena gogolia
@Baud: I’m not on twitter.
zhena gogolia
@Old Man Shadow: A relief, right?
TBone
His big moment 😆😳
The medication wasn’t timed correctly. The entire nation is still laughing at him this morning.
Baud
Scout211
So he went from “I won” to “ABC should be shut down” for rigging the debate in just a few hours. LOL
TBone
A big moment:
His medication wasn’t timed correctly, and the entire nation is still laughing at him this morning. I’ll be laughing about all of that debate for a long time.
Kay
Not that it matters, but media and Republican complaints that the Harris/Walz website isn’t “fleshed out” are nonsense.
This is (part of) the tax section – the part that applies to 90% of people, those who make less than 400k a year:
This is complete, for the average person. What else do media and Republicans want to know about the tax plans? Can they formulate a question or are we supposed to guess what they don’t understand/need clarity on? Are they the representatives of the over 400k annual income group? Okay- ask a question.
Elizabelle
My 23 year old neighbor sent me a text overnight.
laura
I have zero regrets from watching Madam Vice President burn that gruesome shite-bag to the ground. Burnt to the ground. and he knew it too. Then I had cake.
TBone
A big moment 😆
His handlers screwed up on the medication timing and I’m gonna be laughing for a long time about all of last night
Ken
Interesting speculation from someone on bluesky: Trump may now be vulnerable to another defamation lawsuit, after saying that the exonerated “Central Park five” killed someone.
If that comes about, I’ll have to rank that statement as my favorite of the debate, even above “concepts of a plan”.
Steve LaBonne
Starting to watch some clips. A strong, smart Black woman humiliated and laughed at Assmouth on national TV, and made him go into narcissistic collapse. It’s absolutely glorious.
Baud
Oh, and the Taylor Swift announcement was a nice coup de gras for the evening.
Yarrow
@Scout211: He’s a narcissist. Both statements are true for him. Whatever he says at any time is true for him in that moment. Even if the very next second he says the complete opposite. Which is also true for him when he says it.
TBone
I want that one on repeat – the entire nation is still laughing! Donvict is scared shitless!
Steve LaBonne
@Baud: Oh,but Assmouth said she’s going to pay the price. Be very afraid!
Warblewarble
With no solid evidence Biden says that Aysenur Ezgi Eygi was killed accidently by a bullet that ricocheted from the ground, if Trump made such a claim we would have questions. Anyone with a strong enough stomach can google ” Boasts of Israeli snipers” Even the toady Blinken is not buying this.
Kay
Here’s the section that applies to multi millionaire media celebrities:
28% for Maggie Haberman, Dana Bash, Jake Tapper and Glenn Greenwald. If they have further questions about their specific asset portfolio they should consult a tax professional.
Chris
Is it bad that I feel kind of sorry that the one line that he’s going to get pilloried for all week is the one time he said something that was kind of true?
The most you can reasonably expect from any presidential candidate is “the concepts of a plan.” You can ask for an actual detailed plan of whatever it is we’re talking about, but whatever they tell you is never going to be what they actually implement as president. Not even because they’re lying to you; simply because whatever plan they have has to survive the House, and then it has to survive the Senate, and then the Supreme Court gets to go through it like a picky toddler taking all the vegetables out of their plate, after all of which the original plan will be unrecognizable.
(Of course, in this case, he’s obviously lying, either in the sense of not having even “the concepts” of a plan or in the sense that he has the plan and just doesn’t want to say it out loud. But the actual statement that you have “a concept of a plan” is… unobjectionable).
NotMax
Feelin’ good after last night’s master baiting.
Jeffro
Maybe our blessed snooze media should take note: this is what he’d do to you all if he wins. Tow the trump party line at all times, or else.
Baud
@Chris: Yes, you’re bad for feeling that way.
Gloria DryGarden
I watched 2 summaries, after a friend said the trump part was tedious. So I saw Colbert, in YouTube and a 10 min news discussion, I forget which one. I’m pretty happy. Sounds like MVP Kamala flicked away the dumb stuff sfb said, really stood up powerfully on all her points.
Heather Cox Richardson’s letter about the debate was great, too.
Wishing you all a blessed morning.
Shalimar
Maybe he shouldn’t lie so pathetically so there wouldn’t be anything to fact-check. You think, Glenn?
Baud
@Jeffro: Sulzberger’s long op/ed the other day on the Trump’s threat to the media equated the risk to Biden not doing more interviews. The media knows and doesn’t care.
Jeffro
why that’s pure blasphemy right there! – GOP, the workers’ party
Ken
In one sense so close to personal growth, in another still infinitely far away because he’s incapable of self-examination.
Reminds me of something I saw on bluesky — a screencap of some journalist who’s still on X-twitter, admitting that the place now has a bunch of racists, misogynists, and Nazis, but that there’s also fewer people disagreeing with him in the comments.
artem1s
I’d pay good money to make sure he has the direct number to Fuxnews call in line so he can hate call and stalk them until the day he dies. And all the personal cell phones of all the GOPers and pundits who helped create him. They deserve to have to wake up every morning with him ranting nonsense at them.
TBone
He is scared shitless 😆
Ken
@Baud: It is good to see that at least one undecided voter was persuaded by the debate.
TBone
He is scared shitless. 😆
Baud
@TBone: Liar!
TS
Taking to myself on the last thread. Look at those pictures of trump – and Nate Silver says
(via @Ken: on earlier post)
https://bsky.app/profile/jilltwiss.bsky.social/post/3l3tzvaknmo2f
I want what he’s smoking!
Everything I’ve read – Kamala Harris was so far ahead with body language and facial expressions – even before she answered any questions.
Jeffro
@Baud: NYT =/= the whole of the media
I get that our legacy or traditional or Beltway or whatever media often follow the Times’ lead, but not all of them, not all the time.
Let’s see how the next couple of weeks go. I’ll be interested to see how the coverage shifts.
Betty Cracker
@Chris: Trump was president for four years, during which time his party tried to repeal the ACA dozens of times. If he had a plan to replace it then, as he claimed repeatedly at the time, we could reasonably expect him to cite that same plan as a replacement now. But it was bullshit then, and it’s bullshit now.
Kay
@Warblewarble:
Agree. Embarrassing. Biden hasn’t contacted the family either.
Some Americans are worth less than others.
He has a genuine bias against Palestinians and those who advocate for Palestinians and so do the people he hired at the State Department. It’s a real stain on his presidency. The idea that some of these people are going to leave his administration and pretend to some expertise or belief in “human rights” in their next job after this is just appalling.
As I have said before the worst part is the gaslighting. That they feel free to go out there and just repeat this absolute nonsense to Americans month after month is alarming. It makes me wonder about everything else they say.
TBone
@Baud: Five attempts went kablooey into the ether and I thought I’d finally been banned! One of my attempts went into the wrong thread. Never happened to me before! Weird!
Baud
@TS: He’s going to be an NYT columnist in no time.
zhena gogolia
@Ken: Yeah!
Jeffro
110%.
Her smiling vs him snarling? Nailed it.
And that pensive, “oh really?” look she had – especially the times when she put her hand under her chin in pretend interest in what he was spouting – *chef’s kiss*!
Ishiyama
“concept of a plan” makes me think of System of a Down: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_of_a_Down
zhena gogolia
@Baud: I hope that’s a joke. You’ve probably already been corrected before I finish typing this.
TBone
@NotMax: 😊 Heather Cox Richardson nailed it today
Gloria DryGarden
@Scout211: he’s not honest with himself long enough to realize, that he gets corrected and fact checked because he lied, and she doesn’t get corrected because she’s not doing any of that
.. does he really think everyone is like him, lying all the time?
I get that his accusations are confession, but they are also projection. He thinks she should get the correction and interference he gets, because he thinks she’s doing what he does.??
How does he not see the difference?
Oh, blehhg!
Baud
@zhena gogolia: I get my coup de grace mixed up with my foie gras sometimes.
Chris
@Baud:
Eh, that’s probably fair.
Yarrow
@TS: Nate Silver has a bad gambling problem and works for Peter Thiel. Everything he says should be seen through that lens.
TS
@Baud:
Well he was, and they didn’t renew his contract – maybe this is how he gets it back.
Kay
@Warblewarble:
Go watch the State Department briefing on this – they have real reporters there. The reporters are now in open revolt, sick of being lied to day after day after day. The claims get more and more outlandish – now they just make up stories about bullets that magically change direction. The two State Department spokesmen have to be counting the days until they’re done with this job. MONTHS of stonewalling and lying. It’s excruciating to watch.
Geminid
@Ken: I’m hoping a Trump.loss will bring out more revelations as to foreign bribes. I don’t think Egypt’s $10 contribution was the only one.
Baud
@TS: Was he a columnist? I thought he ran 538 for a while, which NYT bought.
TS
@Jeffro:
The minute they came on – He scowled, she smiled. Set the scene. The world really needs to smile. We are all bemoaning something. She is such a needed ray of sunshine – I cannot believe she isn’t 10 points ahead.
TBone
@Baud: sanewashing.
Remember: Two. Weeks.
Remember:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/lesley-sthal-donald-trump-interview-60-minutes-book-b1351962.html
IMO, anyone still sitting at the table with Nazis has no excuse. Even standing near the table is suss.
artem1s
@TS:
lots of great come backs to Nate’s nonsense.
“When I couldn’t hear the tall man say all manner of racist and insane things, he seemed like a winner.”
Kay
@Yarrow:
He’s SO thin skinned. He spends whole days on petty fights with critics – just someone who has always considered himself the smartest person in the room.
He’s actually perfect for the elite media circles he longs to belong to – they’re all thin skinned and humorless and intolerant of any criticism or questioning. Prima donnas.
TBone
@TS: she strode across the stage like a boss, invaded his personal space immediately, and set him back on his heels all while IN 👠
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone😊😊😊
Splitting Image
Harris just delivered the “There you go again” moment for the campaign. If this turns into a rout, that laugh will be the moment everybody looks back on.
I’m also liking the fact that a 60 year old woman is running for President and one of the top stories is about how good-looking she is. I did not have that on my bingo card.
S Cerevisiae
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I feel exactly the same way, I wanted her to slice and dice him and I was pretty excited watching the debate but I don’t trust my reaction as being neutral so it’s wonderful to see that the consensus view is that she filleted him like a walleye.
Ken
@Yarrow: Yes, I’ve been assuming for some time he has some large bets on the outcome of the election. It’s a single hypothesis that explains so many facts, and we all know what Sherlock Holmes — or was it Richard Feynman? — said about those.
Baud
@rikyrah: Good morning.
NotMax
Almost seemed like old times.
Flight back from JFK to Honolulu 60% full, many empty seats (including the one in my two seat row). Three (!) food services: hot meal two hours in (with complimentary glass of wine) , snack 4½ hours in, sandwich box lunch 9 hours in.
Gloria DryGarden
@TBone: yes, she was really good!
Betty Cracker
Via the TPM live coverage, Erick Erickson freaked out on Twitter about the rightwing fever swamp persuading Trump to repeat the dumb lies about Haitian immigrants eating pets:
Trump has no agency, you see, and is compelled to regurgitate idiotic lies, which is exactly the quality you’d want in a president. But my favorite response to Erickson was Christopher Rufo’s:
Wait — why do Republicans hate goose hunters?
TS
@Jeffro:
WaPo headlines are doing their best to pretend there wasn’t an absolute winner. I thought they were improving, I was wrong.
One of their editorial board members said Kamala was over prepared.
So we’ll see what they do in the next 2 weeks. The comments are much more truthful than the headlines.
TBone
@rikyrah: it is a GREAT morning! Happy all day to you!
3Sice
@Ken:
Right wing fever swamps. They’re the online polls used to ID marks for goldbuggery and crypto scams.
rikyrah
Stayed up late to watch post-debate analysis.
The MSM had their stories prepared…. And the Orange Menace, with his awful performance, gave them nothing that they could use for cover..😂😂😂😂😂
Jeffro
Lincoln Project has up an ad of the moment when MVP paused and almost called trump a motherfucker (or similar), caught herself, and then went with ‘…this former president’ It’s EXCELLENT.
George Conway also has a clip up of when MVP noted that people really should watch trump at his rallies, not just for the insanity but because “…you’ll see people leaving early, because they’re exhausted and bored”. OUCH!
Geminid
@Jeffro: I listened to the debate and had only second hand descriptions until this morning. Then I saw a pic in an Al Arabiya article of Harris giving this knowing smile as Trump spoke. She looked strong, in control.
David Anderson
@Princess: a concept of a plan is my current grant submission
rikyrah
@TS:
Oh Lord…
The famous “over prepared”
😒😒😒😒
Matt McIrvin
@Betty Cracker: Someone synced up Trump repeating “They’re eating the pets” to Vince Guaraldi’s “Linus and Lucy” from the Peanuts cartoons. Can’t find it now.
Yarrow
@Gloria DryGarden:
It’s not about being honest. He’s a malignant narcissist and as such will never “realize” something like this. He sees things only as being good or bad for him.
He doesn’t think of other people at all. They exist only as people who can do things for him or who are in his way.
You’ll make yourself crazy wondering why he doesn’t act like most people. This is how narcissists get away with what they do – people keep expecting them to “learn” or “change” and have normal human responses. They don’t. They won’t. The faster people recognize that, the easier it is on them – they stop expecting it – and the sooner they can manage any interaction with the narcissist.
Chris
@TS:
Yeah, I logged onto the NYT and WaPo websites this morning just to see what the headlines were, and both are studiously avoiding declaring any winner. The former says Trump is “defensive,” while the latter he “retorted with fiery rhetoric” to Harris’ “crisp” attacks.
TBone
@NotMax: that’s great to hear, glad you had a good experience. Hopefully not an anomaly.
TS
@Baud:
That’s what I meant, I’m nowhere near as good as Kamala in explaining things – he worked for them with 538 for 3 years (I think, could have been less). He tried to be a political columnist with his explanations for the polls – he was never very good at it – maybe that was why he wasn’t kept there.
rikyrah
@Yarrow:
He is bought and paid for by Thiel everybit that Vance is😠😠😠
TBone
@Gloria DryGarden: good morning, it’s gonna be a fun day!
rikyrah
@laura:
What kind of cake?🤗🤗🤗
Jeffro
True. Fox (and the rest of the Republican Noise Machine) really does keep the GOP’s “floor” around 45% no matter how poor the candidate quality is.
Let’s put in the work and get her the other 55%, so we can get that 10 point win! =)
Scout211
More of Trump whining this morning. He still claims he won, but he’s rethinking another debate and is rethinking even Fox News unless he can pick the moderators. So it’s okay if he rigs a debate? LOL
LOL. She’s “familiar” with the questions, you idiot, because she was prepared for the debate and is prepared to be president.
Yarrow
@Kay: His goal is to maintain his seat at the big stakes gambling table with his billionaire buddies. Everything he says comes back to that.
TS
@TBone:
Post of the day!
raven
Former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris shook hands after arriving for the 9/11 memorial ceremony on Wednesday morning.
The handshake comes in the wake of the two presidential candidates meeting face-to-face for the first time last night at ABC News’ historic presidential debate, where they traded barbs over inflation, abortion, immigration and foreign policy.
Baud
@Scout211: I vehemently oppose bigotry, but I can kind of understand it. I will never understand people viewing this WATB as some kind of alpha male.
Yarrow
@rikyrah: He certainly is. Nothing Nate Silver says should be seen as anything else but words from a Thiel mouthpiece who’s desperate to protect his high stakes gambling habit.
Splitting Image
@Matt McIrvin:
Here ya go!
https://x.com/NoahGarfinkel/status/1833708370974695574
TBone
@laura:
@rikyrah:
I had thick chocolate fudge Victory Cake at Casa TBone.
I won’t need to eat till tomorrow 😆
TBone
@Splitting Image: 💙😆
RandomMonster
I watched the thing in real time and genuinely enjoyed watching Harris rope a dope and land blow after blow.
Baud
@Splitting Image: That’s cute.
Chris
@Betty Cracker:
What, like, Canadian geese? What the fuck are Ohioans doing keeping these things as pets? They’re cranky, mean, and bitey! And I thought the Miamians with their exotic reptiles were bad.
MazeDancer
Hope Trump doesn’t pay some monsters to kill and eat pets and record it for “proof”.
He never lets anything go. And he will sense it will get much attention.
ETA: Sorry I posted this. Guess I was trying to ward off the thought.
Jeffro
Right?
Someone please ask Erick to explain why trump doesn’t have smart, capable, non-liars around him. You know, so that – helpless regurgitator that he is – he’d have better info and at least be able to repeat things that are real/make sense.
Why is that, Erick? Shouldn’t a candidate for president attract the best & brightest talent in the country?
artem1s
@Jeffro:
I wouldn’t assume she isn’t. this is not 2016 or even 2020. and the ‘polls’ Nate are quoting aren’t polls. They are odds from betting sites. They are including this shit Polymarket in aggregate polling on 270toWin.
Just because some addict puts money on their Alma Mater to win the big game does not influence how the players perform. But 270 gets big ad dollars from them I guess.
K-Mo
@Baud: She totally pantsed him. You would have fared better.
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: Trump behaves exactly like a school bully. Pick on people far weaker than yourself, gloat about it, whine and work the refs whenever anything doesn’t go your way. This is “strength” to a large fraction of the population. I’ve been seeing it all my life.
Anyway
What, they’re in jail?! thought the illegal aliens were all wandering free taking out jobs and our benefits (and late breaking, our pets).
Jeffro
“I NEED MY TV FRIENDS TO
LOB ME SOFTBALLSASK ME QUESTIONSAND HOLD MY HANDFOR 90 MINUTES, BECAUSE I AM WINNER TYPE PERSON!!”just pathetic
Baud
@K-Mo: I am impossible to pants!
TS
@rikyrah:
from WaPo
Shadi Hamid Columnist & Editorial Board member
the danger, as some of us may have realized in college, is that there’s such a thing as over-prepping for an exam. And that’s even more true for public speaking. You want to be prepared, sure, but you need to also be loose and flexible and if you have all these scripted answers in your head, it becomes harder to do that.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/09/10/live-commentary-trump-harris-debate-opinions/
Baud
@Matt McIrvin: I’ve seen the first part. I’m less used to the whining being seeing as strong.
NotMax
@TBone
Plane from jFK boarded on time, took off an hour late.
“Pilot has requested additional refueling.”
Which I had NO quibble with.
;)
TBone
@Baud: 😆
Baud
@TS: That reads like it was written before the debate.
Matt McIrvin
@MazeDancer: Sounds like a Jacob Wohl or James O’Keefe kind of thing to do. But O’Keefe is dead.
TBone
@NotMax: that’s a loooong flight, refueling is a welcome announcement and something I’d gladly wait for too!
Jeffro
here’s Four Seasons Total Landscaping, on Twitter:
rusty
@TS: The built in misogyny with that statement, on average women are shorter and thinner than men. It reminds me when my church was conducting a search for a new pastor. An old guy complained that it wasn’t that he was opposed to one candidate because she was a woman, he opposed her because her voice was too high. To be a good pastor you needed a low voice. Nate Silver needs to take the rest of the election off and spend that time in self reflection.
Baud
@Jeffro: Hot damn.
Jeffro
also
OUUUUUUUUUCH!
Another Scott
I listened to the debate via MSNBC’s YouTube channel live. I missed the first couple of minutes.
She did very well. A master class. And she stumbled very briefly a couple of times – once calling him the “former vice president”, and getting a little tangled up when she started talking about his history of being a slumlord in NYC – but she quickly recovered. That shows that she’s human and that she wasn’t coached within 10% of her life. Being “too slick” is a turnoff to some.
A good night for her, for Democrats, and for America.
Forward!!
Cheers,
Scott.
Baud
@Jeffro:
Trump is trying to relate to the average voter.
TBone
@Jeffro: I read yesterday that Lara Loomer was his top advisor for debate prep (there was a photo of her getting off the plane with his “team”). Explains a lot 😂
TBone
@Jeffro: Philly style! 💚
Kay
The first woman US President means a lot to me. I have to sort of tamp it down in my real life because I feel as if mentioning it sets her up for the charge of “special treatment as a woman” and I think she’s very talented and competent but it’s always in the background. I’m 64 and I had given up on seeing it in my lifetime. It’s exciting and I feel like it’s LONG overdue in the US. Come on Pennsylvania. Come thru for us.
3Sice
Silver and Luntz clearly have patrons paying for a narrative, or strait up don’t like women.
The side by sides were awful for concepts of plans.
Ken
@Betty Cracker: My favorite bit is that Erickson’s “STUPID MFERS” includes Vance, who’s been dutifully amplifying away.
As for your question, I saw a response — might even have been here — that Republicans are fine with goose hunters, provided they’ve spent $6000 on a shotgun, $12000 on a weekend cabin rental, $3000 on a camouflaged blind, $8000 on a purebred retriever, ….
prostratedragon
@TBone: I tried unsuccessfully 3 or 4 times in the late night thread.
Warblewarble
@Kay: Colonists can do no wrong occasionaly “there are accidents or mistakes are made” Colonists can do no wrong, especially colonists armed and supported by the United States.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Jeffro: “Professor,while I didn’t turn in my paper at the first deadline or the extension deadline you gave me, I have a concept of a paper which I will send you at some point in the future.”
3Sice
@Baud:
He dismissed those memes until he sat on a sticky couch.
Matt McIrvin
@Chris: Hmm… Looks like the Ohio goose-hunting season hasn’t started yet, but… y’know… there IS a goose-hunting season. Are they just wild geese?
TBone
@prostratedragon: WTAF. It’s hard to recover an original thought after losing that many times! (SWIDT?)
Anyway
What, they’re in prison?! I thought illegal aliens were wandering free taking our jobs and our benefits (and late breaking … our pets)
Matt
Only the neocon clowns at the Bulwark would regard overtaking a literal fascist from the RIGHT as a positive.
Ken
@TBone: Indeed, some of my most brilliant compositions — or at least, concepts for a composition — have been lost to computer glitches.
Though I will admit that more have been lost when I re-read what I typed and decided it best not to send it.
TBone
Has Alexandra Petri written this up yet? That’s gonna be LIT.
satby
@Baud: yep, Twitter is still fun.
OT, but people who spoke up to adopt one of the senior cats previously, please get in touch with me so we can work on transport. I or Anne Laurie have emailed you. Thanks! (And fu autocorrect)
TBone
@Ken: 😂
satby
@Ken: that was Jay, I believe.
Sanjeevs
Good inflation figures,
CPI at 2.5% down from 2.9%
Eunicecycle
@Matt McIrvin: I think they’re talking about Canada Geese, because the “stories” talk about ducks and geese missing from a park. Canada geese are protected and can’t be hunted. They also migrate, so maybe that’s why they are missing?
Lapassionara
@Matt McIrvin: they should be given a medal. Wild geese hang out at a pond near my hospital complex, and they are a menace.
jonas
It’s probably a set of bullshit numbers he’s been reciting since 1982 to get people to invest in his condos or something. Whether it’s healthcare, foreign policy, or the economy, he’s always just in unloading shitty timeshares mode. Always has been.
Jeffro
My understanding is that she has a concept of a column… ;)
K-Mo
@Matt McIrvin: Here’s a pretty good Simpsons version
https://x.com/FearghasKelly/status/1833826081754808363?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1833826081754808363%7Ctwgr%5Eb90833d4309c8a38ff71c381ce992fe7773fdc2c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Farts-entertainment%2Ftv%2Fnews%2Ftrump-dogs-eaten-simpsons-memes-b2610851.html
Betty Cracker
@Kay: After 2016, I gave up on seeing a woman president during my lifetime too. It means a lot to me as well. I don’t know that we’d have this opportunity again under “normal” circumstances, but if Harris wins (and I think she will), a huge barrier will fall for half the population.
TBone
@Kay: we’re definitely working on it!
TS
@Baud:
It was 15 minutes in, they had a group of pundits commenting as the debate went along. It has got 11.15am (my time, which google insists on doing) which was 9.15pm last night Eastern Time
He said it in response to McArdle (and I hadn’t previously read what she said because I ignore Megan McCardle) – so here it is
Matt McIrvin
@rusty: There’s an old factoid that the taller candidate “always” or usually wins Presidential elections. There’s a list of height comparisons on Wikipedia and I think you could make a case for it being a factor in the age of television, but it’s far from determinative… and, you know, the most obvious theory of why that is (the people want big strong daddy) would imply that women have a huge disadvantage regardless.
The effect seems weaker in recent cycles but it’s maybe just because all the major candidates were tall men, except for John McCain (who was pretty average-sized), Hillary Clinton, and Kamala Harris herself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heights_of_presidents_and_presidential_candidates_of_the_United_States
Baud
@Sanjeevs:.👍
@Betty Cracker: Yep. 🤞
BC in Illinois
Oh, wow.
Taylor AND Caitlin ! ! ! !
TBone
@jonas: wanted to see it again
Baud
@TS:
Thanks for validating my hatred of them.
Another Scott
@Ken: Q – Did you make any mistakes on January 6?
Turmp – Not my fault, I had nothing to do with it. Nobody died. I’ll free the patriots. No, I didn’t say I lost – that was sarcasm. And what about the millions and millions of insane criminals who are invading America and eating everyone’s cats and dogs?! I saw it on TV so it must be true!!11…
The man’s brain is broken. We’ve known this for many years, but it was clear to anyone paying the least bit of attention last night. He’s the crazy uncle or the crazy neighbor down the street. He must be kept away from power.
And the cynical GQP that gave him power to win elections needs to be thrown in the trash heap as well.
Forward!!
Cheers,
Scott.
TBone
@Betty Cracker: 🎶💋
https://youtu.be/VUjNbeAFal8
Heard on PA college radio on The Day that her campaign began.
Honus
@Scout211: maybe they didn’t correct Kamala as much because she wasn’t lying as much.
Chief Oshkosh
@Chris: Yeah, I thought that Taylor Swift encouraging people to go watch videos of the debate for themselves, was in some ways a dig at trad media.
Chris
@Matt McIrvin:
Well, no, because the GOP has assured me that it’s people’s pets that are being killed.
And if you can’t trust the GOP, what’s the world come to?
Jeffg166
@Matt McIrvin:
We all know who the smaller person is in this election.
mrmoshpotato
“and probably imprisoned” LMAO!
Chris
@Chief Oshkosh:
Good for her.
The only reason Project 2025 became a household name is because another celebrity said something about it at an award ceremony. Sad that they’re doing the media’s job for it, but better than no one doing it.
Yarrow
@TS: In his recent book he says he was gambling $10k a day at the same time he was trying to run 538 at the NYT. It was at this time that they let him go.
TBone
@Jeffg166: the ad that the Harris campaign put out yesterday (Obama “crowd size” accordion hands) was *chef’s kiss
Jeffro
btw if anyone wants an extra serving of MAGA tears, here you go (from ‘Dan McLaughlin’ on Twitter)
LOLWUT?!?
I distinctly remember telling the RWNJs in my life that at some point, they were going to have to draw a bright line somewhere – “this is what will cause me to stop supporting trump and find another candidate.” Obviously, two impeachments and an insurrection and 34 felony counts later…THEY DIDN’T LISTEN.
They didn’t want to put in the work. They didn’t want to admit why they’re drawn to him. And now they’re stuck with him. They’re going to ride this Hindenburg all. the. way. in.
Too bad, so sad!
TBone
@mrmoshpotato: transgender surgery will be served up on a prison tray by a Black woman 😆
TBone
@Jeffro: 😆 so delicious
Matt McIrvin
@Jeffro: It’s not fair! She’s just winning because she’s good and he sucks!
mrmoshpotato
@Jeffro: One of the moderators smacking down Dump’s post-birth-abortion bullshit was great!
Matt McIrvin
(I was going to say Harris, if elected, will be the shortest President of all time, but she might be tied with James Madison.)
Yarrow
@Baud: My take on why he’s seen as “strong” is that he says he’ll hurt people – immigrants, LGBTQ+ people, women, etc. The cruelty is seen as strength. The whining doesn’t really factor into it.
TBone
@Chris: the rumpy neighbors advised that they don’t need us to care for puppy today while they’re at work/school. Coincidence, I’m sure…
JPL
@Betty Cracker: I did watch last night and came away thinking that Kamala will be our first female president. She’s ready for this.
Matt McIrvin
@TS: McCardle claims she’s voting for Harris but was complaining about Harris’s performance all through the Post liveblogging. The other person there who did that was Ramesh Ponnuru; no surprise there.
Sanjeevs
@Jeffro: Trump is polling ahead of the GOP Senate candidate in almost every race.
Yarrow
This one made me laugh
zhena gogolia
@Splitting Image: I AM DYING OF LAUGHTER
Belafon
@TS: By Hamid’s own summary, Harris wasn’t overprepared then, because she kept up a really effective plan of getting Trump to react to her.
RandomMonster
They’re just random high numbers that fell out of his head. Person Woman Man Camera TV.
Thylacine
@Ken: William of Ockham was there first.
Yarrow
@satby: Twitter is still fun. But it seems like Bluesky is getting a lot more fun, especially since the Brazilians arrived.
The Thin Black Duke
@MazeDancer: Trump (tapping the keys on his phone): Hello? Kristi Noem?
zhena gogolia
@Another Scott: Nobody ON THE OTHER SIDE died. He considered Congresspeople, the police, and his own VP to be “the other side.”
Captain C
Greetings from Amsterdam where I have arrived after 4 days in The Hague, Rotterdam, and environs where I was attending a family reunion (descendants of mom’s dad’s dad, 35 or so people across 3 generations and two continents). It was fantastic! I have lots of interesting relatives and everyone’s chill.
As the debate was around 3am my time I blissfully slept through it but from here and BlueSky I gather Kamala Harris beat TCFG like a drum in a way that only a seasoned, joyful prosecutor who’s been hanging out with a teacher can do.
Doug R
@different-church-lady:
Yup, word is on that “reality” show that shall not be named is that he’d make a decision on who gets fired and it was the edit team’s job to go back and try to craft a narrative that made sense.
SatanicPanic
I clicked on the “they’re eating pets” clip. It’s crazy he was ranting and angry for so long that I kinda got numb to it. But just watching the clip- he was fucking unhinged. He looks like a lunatic.
Yarrow
@zhena gogolia: Well, yeah. Because “sides” for him are if people support him or they don’t. Pence went against his wishes so now he’s on the other side. Congress went against his wishes – also on the other side. Nothing but him exists. Classic narcissistic behavior.
TS
@Baud: Any time – I didn’t gift link the garbage because much of it was similar. I would have been dead from alcoholic poisoning if I had a sip of wine every time the said something against MVP
Belafon
@Chief Oshkosh: She also treats her followers as intelligent people that can make up their own minds.
Doug R
@Chris: NO. He’s had 8 years, 9 if you include pre-debate.
waspuppet
The enduring paradox* of Donald Trump is that he insists that the only way to fix his problems is to talk even more, uninterrupted and at length — when in fact it’s the only thing that’s ever caused him serious trouble. He has a coterie of aides, flacks and hangers-on in his camp and the wealthy media class all eager to clean up his messes for him, but he refuses to rely on them.
*(Although that’s far too interesting a word to describe him — it’s actually more like, being the domestic abuser that he is, he can’t perceive of a problem other than “I haven’t been allowed to talk enough.”)
Hoodie
@Jeffro: The irony of reasoning like McLaughlin’s is that the reason the GOP has Trump as their standard bearer in the first place is because all of their other candidates sucked. Remember the flavors of the month, e.g., Herman “9-9-9 Cain” and the short and happy life of Ted Cruz, GOP presidential frontrunner? Trump capitalized on the howling vacuum in the GOP leadership ranks.
Barbara
@Yarrow: Oh dear. I had not heard that, but it would not surprise me to learn that Silver thought his mathematical chops would make him good at gaming. I don’t doubt that some people are better at poker and games than others, but I once read that the proof of the high level of random luck in even more skilled games is that almost no one retains championship status over time.
@Baud: His schtick, If I recall correctly, was that he would bring “data” to school the non-quantitative opinion mongers. His problem — and this was evident to me reading his 538 chats prior to NYT — is that his “insight” was pedestrian, and not very insightful. I have a lot of problems with NYT political coverage, but, for instance, Nate Cohn can read a poll and interpret data better than Silver. Cohn’s problem, indeed the problem with all NYT political coverage, is that someone is putting a thumb on the scale in order to drive a preferred narrative. But Silver was clearly not the corrective for that.
Baud
Did Arlington come up last night? He still hasn’t released the video.
schrodingers_cat
@satby: It is indeed. Despite Apartheid Clyde’s best efforts to kill it.
narya
As soon as he said “concept of a plan” I turned to Downstairs Neighbor and said “That’s the quote of the night.” Two other things: a lot of the time, I had absolutely no clue what he was talking about. There were little blurts (like the pets) that made “sense,” but a lot of the time I just could not tell what point he was circling around. Second, I thought it was brilliant that he made a whole bunch of personal attacks of her and Biden and she . . . ignored him. Just refused to engage on that, in any way whatsoever, and just came back to her plans for the future. It made him sound petty and demented, wasting time on those attacks, while she kept telling us what she’d do.
I was surprised at how well the moderators did–calling out the infanticide thing in particular.
Baud
Via reddit, photo of Trump from last night.
Doug R
@Warblewarble: Is that what Biden actually said?
I know the Wiki article mentions that one activist was hit in the leg by a ricochet, did something get confused as to who was hit how?
Yarrow
@Barbara: He talks about his gambling in his very recent book. As I said upthread, he said he was gambling $10k/day while he was running 538 at the NYT. It was at this time they got rid of him.
I personally wonder if he’s betting on the election. Was he betting on the last election when he was running 538 and at the NYT? Maybe that’s part of the reason he was let go. We won’t know but it doesn’t seem completely out of the bounds of possibility.
schrodingers_cat
@TS: She is not 10 points ahead because too many white people will vote for a door knob with an R after it.
Hoodie
@waspuppet: He never listens to anyone. I bet all that talk about him not really doing debate prep was bullshit; the reality is that he is completely uncoachable and they either did a lot of prep and it didn’t stick or they just gave up. Irony was that someone was saying that Trump’s hair looked almost normal in the debate. I bet that’s because he finally let someone else – a professional – do it for him. His makeup also wasn’t as ghoulish, although he looked very old.
Harrison Wesley
A concept of a plan? Well, yeah, it’s like what Emily Dickinson wrote, “A plan is a thing with feathers” or some shit like that. Whatever.
Steve LaBonne
@Baud: Are you sure you didn’t mean to link to this?
PST
@rusty:
I hold no brief for Silver and see no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt at any time. However, I do think that there are people out there who are ignorant as hell about almost everything who will always be drawn to a large man over a small woman. It is simply one of the factors we need to overcome by force of voter numbers. There exist numbskulls paying scant attention to the debate playing silently on one of the TVs behind the bar who will notice that Trump is much bigger, which maybe they didn’t think much about before. I know that sounds absurd, but it is one manifestation of misogyny.
narya
@Baud: It did not. And I thought she handled the Afghanistan follow-up pretty well, noting that HE negotiated the withdrawal with the Taliban.
SatanicPanic
@Baud: he had a weird red line across his forehead that kept getting more prominent. I wonder if his anger melted his makeup off
The Audacity of Krope
@schrodingers_cat: A doorknob is too functional and internally complex for Republicans.
Baud
According to reddit, Taylor Swift is from Pennsylvania. I did not know that.
TS
@Barbara:
The House always wins – is what it takes most gamblers a long time to understand. Only time I’ve heard anything against this was that Trump owned Atlantic City Casinos that went bankrupt.
How did he manage that?
schrodingers_cat
BJ Hive mind, I have a question. I went through the entire AP US history course. The period I find our current era most akin to is the post Civil War period. Failure of reconstruction and the rise of the robber barons. Can anyone suggest a book covering this period
narya
@TS: By using the casino as a money-laundering and/or tax-avoidance operation?
trnc
The media are definitely talking about this, as well as the cat eating delusion.
Also, too.
Steve LaBonne
@TS: By treating them as a piggy bank, as he does with all his businesses and with his campaign.
TS
@Baud: Begosh Baud – that needs a warning
Almost Retired
@schrodingers_cat: Eric Foner, Reconstruction
Baud
@TS:
“photo of Trump” is pretty much a warning.
danielx
@waspuppet:
Trying to recall the legislative deal that Trump blew up by running his mouth during his term in office. Some Republican congressional staffer snarling that (Trump) “couldn’t keep his fucking mouth shut for eight fucking hours. Fuck him.”
Warblewarble
@Doug R: Suggest you google “Boasts of Israeli snipers” there is a pattern here, there is also a pattern to the US. giving cover to the colonialists crimes.
schrodingers_cat
@Almost Retired: Thanks!
TS
@Baud: late at night in my part of town – I should have thought about that – but gotta admit – close to the worst one I have ever had the misfortune to see.
If the disciples see that and still vote for him – there is no hope for any of them.
Doug R
@TS: Most mobsters accept a small percentage loss to launder their money, I’m guessing Trump gave such good rates he lost money?
3Sice
@Baud:
A poster last night was wondering why his weight is constantly yo-yoing.
Doug R
@Warblewarble: So only Biden has agency?
mdblanche
Baud
More fun
sdhays
I find it gratifying how so many pundits are shocked at Harris beating Trump on the Afghanistan question. Even Josh Marshall, who is much, much better than most, was genuinely surprised.
The reality is that Trump bears most of the responsibility for how things went down in Afghanistan. He’s the one who shut out the Afghan government and “negotiated” with the Taliban to give the Taliban everything they wanted so that he could run on no deaths in Afghanistan in 2020. He pulled out faster than the military advised – he even tried to pull all troops out before November, 2020! He set up the circumstances in 2021 where Biden’s decision was either go ahead and pull out all the way or re-invade.
The media has never provided that context and Trump has been coddled on this question especially, which was why he (and the pundits) were so shocked that she took him to the cleaners over it.
I didn’t think too much about the debate before it happened, but she did exactly what I wanted her (or someone!) to do on this topic. I’ll bet not a few people were surprised to learn those facts that MVP shared.
The Audacity of Krope
So, I was pretty against the notion of watching the debate yesterday; but when I saw it come up on CSPAN, I decided they deserve their advertisers’ dollars.
I must say I was pleasantly surprised. The questions were actually somewhat thoughtful and framed in a way to consider prior on-the-record responses. The moderators directly challenged both debaters. Hell, this might have had a chance at being informative if one of the participants wasn’t Trump
BR
OMG, the TikTok account that does all the amazing remixes has a cats and dogs one from the debate:
https://www.tiktok.com/@casadimusic/video/7413373925276831022
lowtechcyclist
Still catching up on all the commentary, but it sounds like this was the Billie Jean King v. Bobby Riggs of Presidential debates.
The Audacity of Krope
@Doug R: What are you talking about? Support for colonialism is bipartisan and longstanding.
sdhays
@Baud: I thought she was from Tennessee.
3Sice
Concepts of a plan:
There is no path to 270, much less 50%+1 for this shit show. His “braintrust” is constantly pulling on a string trying to shore some votes up, only to cause something to unravel somewhere else. It is all so hamfisted, with a candidate that can’t stop admiring and reacting to his reflection on FOX.
Baud
@sdhays:
Don’t know. Reddit could be wrong.
Matt McIrvin
@Eunicecycle: Looks like there is a short season for Canada geese in Ohio, which recently ended:
https://www.eregulations.com/ohio/hunting/waterfowl-migratory-bird-hunting-seasons
But, clearly, it’s regulated as such things usually are.
matt
@Scout211: After hearing for the last 3 weeks that Tulsi was going to magic bullet this debate for Harris, this is a pretty big reversal and retrenchment. Our guy got stomped because it was rigged.
Warblewarble
@Doug R: I did question what would be the response to Trump making misleading claims?
SatanicPanic
So should Harris want another debate or should she take the W and ignore him if he tries to ask for a redo?
laura
@rikyrah: it was this cake- and I made the boiled cider with a pint of farmer’s market apple juice. I used gravenstein apples, but would highly recommend honeycrisp: https://www.kingarthurbaking.com/recipes/old-fashioned-apple-cake-with-brown-sugar-frosting-recipe
Another Scott
@zhena gogolia: Even that, unsurprisingly, isn’t true. Three people in the crowd died that day.
[eta:] Reading your comment more carefully, “the other side”, isn’t true either (his people were fighting police who died). Parsing his lies is a waste of time and aggravating. (Not picking on you. :-)
Grr…,
Scott.
TS
Latest headline from the post
What did they say when Biden debated
zhena gogolia
@TS: Mais bien sûr
Baud
@TS:
I actually can’t blame them there. The headlines reflect the voters of each party.
Trivia Man
@Ken: As i recall, he said “they pleaded guilty” and therefore no matter what happens after it is ok to execute them. They did plead guilty. And later they recanted those pleas AND then PROVED the so-called confessions were coerced. And THAT is why they were freed.
Its always nice when he gets specific with his lies – it can be clearly rebutted. Name names or GTFO. Who says xyz? Which law do you disagree with. He lives on insinuation and innuendo.
TBone
@TS: thank you!
Belafon
@SatanicPanic: They asked for a debate immediately at the end of last night’s debate. I place it in the category of them challenging Trump to leave the mic on, but there’s one person dumb enough to fall for it.
Geminid
@SatanicPanic: The CBS radio newscast reported that Harris said afterwards that she wants another debate, and that Trump told Fox News he wasn’t sure. He claimed he won this one.
Trivia Man
@Chris: Normally yes, a concept of a plan is sufficient. But he has been hammering this for 9 years as a centerpiece of his competence. And the most detailed explanation i can recall is that “it’s better.”
Completely in line to mock and scorn.
zhena gogolia
@Baud: True.
TBone
@waspuppet: 👍
The Audacity of Krope
And cheaper!!!
He says he doesn’t have a plan because he isn’t President yet. He has been President.
trollhattan
This just in: Trump wants to debate Taylor Swift.
SatanicPanic
@Belafon: yeah I imagine the Harris campaign figures it can do it again
JAFD
@NotMax: Could you drop me an email when you get the chance? Thought I had your eddress on my system, found out I don’t. Thanks very much.
kindness
I wasn’t worried about how Kamela would handle herself last night. I was worried how ABC would manage the debate. I went to bed breathing a big sigh of relief last night. The morning web agrees with me.
It doesn’t end here. Go out and help get out the vote. The Electoral College is tilted Republican. Reason # infinity it needs to be dumped to help save the Democratic Republic.
UncleEbeneezer
@zhena gogolia: I don’t know who this SwannMarcus89 guy is but I was following him for awhile until I noticed some weird tweets in his timeline earlier this Summer. On June 4th he tweeted (since deleted) about Ibram X. Kendi:
Kendi is the author of Stamped From The Beginning which is possibly the best book about the history and workings of systemic racism in our world. It argues that most of the stuff we think of when we think about racism (interpersonal examples like people using the N-word, lynchings, cross-burnings etc.) is just the tip of the iceberg with the really big damage done by systemic racism that is often much harder to see. He argues that people need to understand how systemic racism harms PoC and vote accordingly. And the earlier we can recognize these systems of oppression (learning to understand this stuff even as kids, just as kids-of-color are forced to do) the better we can be as people. Hardly a “moronic” idea. Along with Nikole Hannah Jones, Kendi is probably the other Black author who has done the most for popularizing the emphasis on systemic racism that has become a crucial part of Dem policy and is one of the biggest positives of Kamala Harris’ positions on criminal justice reform, Black maternal healthcare, focus on environmental concerns of urban communities etc. I guarantee Kamala Harris doesn’t look at Kendi and think he’s a moron or grifter with nothing to say. I’d wager she probably knows him and greatly admires his work. It’s everywhere in her policy stances and worldview. But naturally Kendi (and Hannah Jones) have become the evil villains in the minds of right-wing screechers who love White Supremacy and are panicked about “Wokeness.” Seeing Swann tweet what could have just as easily been a diatribe from Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, Stephen Miller or Trump, really raised my hackles.
In May this Swann guy tweeted:
And…
Which, again, just sets off my racism spidey-senses. Trying to get attention by defending Kyle (fucking) Rittenhouse, is a strange move for anyone who positions themselves somewhere on the Left. Nobody’s perfect. People are complicated. And I actually appreciate (and agree with) some of Swann’s critiques of our side’s tactics. But these couple examples, and a few others I’ve seen here and there, give me extreme pause. He seems way too similar to Chris Rufo, for my tastes.
Jeffro
@Matt McIrvin: from John Harwood, former WSJ and CNN reporter:
“they whine about moderators rebutting lies
they whine about FBI “fraud” when the data shows crime rates have fallen
they insist the city manager just hasn’t seen the dog-eating
the Republican problem isn’t with any of those people
the Republican problem is with reality”
so true, so true
#FoxBubble
lollipopguild
@Yarrow: Trump has said that “everyone” lies, cheats, steals. Since “everyone” does it, it means that he is no worse than anyone else is. Not that he needs an excuse.
Belafon
https://twitter.com/teddyschleifer/status/1833740738485481899?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
SW
Undecided voters are not going to determine the outcome of this election. After a decade of Trump undecided voters are a tiny cohort of morons. This election will be determined by enthusiasm and turnout. That is why this debate was a much bigger deal than most realize.
Jeffro
So true. And the few who showed even a moment of spine (Haley, Sununu, etc) just wilted like daisies.
AFTER J6, too!
The intimidation and threats and blackmail going on behind the scenes in the GOP must be absolutely bonkers. I know many of them are just bad people who’d follow trumpov anyway, but whew.
Yarrow
@TS: His Atlantic City casinos were a money-laundering operation for the Russian mob. Link. When TFG was no longer useful for them in that capacity they left him holding the bag.
Trivia Man
@Splitting Image: thanks
Bonus fun fact: Vince used to hang out with the Dead, he was considered as the replacement when Pigpen died. Very intrigued by that alternate timeline.
Ken
I’m surprised you don’t recognize the Devil’s Mark.
TS
@Baud: The headlines for Biden reinforced the thought that Biden failed, trump won, which helped the democratic party panic spread
The headline this time – is to tell the trumpers, you are doing OK, it doesn’t matter.
zhena gogolia
@UncleEbeneezer: And Dostoevsky is no progressive hero!
zhena gogolia
@SW: Good spin! I’m looking for stuff like this.
zhena gogolia
@TS: But those Biden headlines were fueled by “insider” Democrats calling them up and texting them with their panic.
Yarrow
@lollipopguild: He does it, therefore everyone does it. He is the only thing. To him, I mean. He doesn’t see anyone else as anything other than a useful tool or an obstacle in his way. He certainly doesn’t seem them as actual people with their own agency.
TS
@Yarrow:
been working for them for longer than I ever knew – thanks
Warblewarble
@Doug R: Whatever agency Biden has is only used at the bidding of the colonists, so the colonists have the greater agency.
Jackie
@Another Scott:
“Those were rehearsed flubs!!!” said the media 😉
Spc123
@Kay: She probably wouldn’t be able to quite get that, even with a D congress – but a rollback to 20 and 25% percent rates overall would be good. There is already a 3.8% excise on capital transactions over 100k in one year; not sure how that plays into these rates. They should also eliminate passive capital gains taxes for incentive options and treat them all as earned income (the way many other countries do – all NSOs). Any increase on buybacks would be good as well. All of this requires control of the Senate, of course.
Yarrow
@TS: He visited the Soviet Union in 1987. They’ve owned him since then. You can read all about how they cultivated him here.
He’s been owned by and/or a useful idiot for Russia ever since.
TS
@zhena gogolia: Could well be, I didn’t take part in the conversation re Biden after his debate. Gave up reading anything political until Biden announced his decision.
My point still stands that the Post has a foot heavily on the scale for trump, they have not had a headline saying trump lost, other than from the very few anti trump opinions.
I am still amazed that Jennifer Rubin changed so much – her column used to be called “turn right”. Today she has
Harris excels. ABC does its job. Both were deadly for Trump.
Booger
Chief Oshkosh
@Captain C: I was in Amsterdam this summer – my first visit there. If you have time and (a lot of other people’s) money, I highly recommend the Rijks restaurant, which has a Michelin star. The 6-course lunch with wine pairings took over 4 hrs and was one of the best meals of my life. It is next to, but not officially part of, the Rijks Museum.
frosty
@narya:
Bingo! I’ve read that it was a classic Mafia bustout. The casino and its shareholders went bust and he walked away richer.
SatanicPanic
One thing I think maybe Democrats could make clear about why limits on when you can get an abortion or bad is because problems that could endanger the health of the mother can come at any time in the pregnancy.
Booger
@satby: These are the tasty and succulent Ohio cats, Correct?
Jeffro
btw I heard from Froette this morning…here’s what she heard from my RWNJ dad (her grandad):
In response to her surprise re: trump/facts, and her saying that she thought the moderators did a good job, he said
LOL
so I passed along that great, simple reminder I saw on Twitter: “asymmetric lying results in asymmetric fact-checking.” =)
too bad, so sad, GOP!
They’re going to pretend that “debates don’t matter” – THIS ONE SURE DID
They’re going to pretend that the moderators “didn’t fact-check Harris” – THEY DIDN’T NEED TO
They’re going to pretend that all is well and polls are still tight – LET ‘EM and LET’S GO!
JAFD
A lot of our suburbs and exurbs – golf courses, office parks, etc, with catchment basins and settlement ponds for the water coming off roofs and parking lots – is ideal habitat for geese, who rapidly become a pest. If there were way to hunt them without endangering neighborhood – crossbows ? slingshots ? – ‘twould be meat source.
Note that back in ’74-’75, it was the Vietnamese and Cambodian refugees, claimed to be hunting and eating dogs and cats. IIRC, that eventually died down, no internet in those days…
Is there anywhere on the ‘net where one can read or download a complete transcript of the debate ? Thanks, very much!
Glory b
@Chris: BUT it is. Not many people seem to remember, but in 2015, while he was running against Hillary, he was asked about the ACA.
He said he’d already written his own plan, it was better than Obamacare, it would cover lots more people, would give us much more comprehensive coverage and would be cheaper & easier to administer, but he wouldn’t reveal it unless he won.
So, according to the 2019 version of Trump, a new plan was already created.
I remain upset that no one in the media ever seems to have mentioned it again.
Sure Lurkalot
Posting a link to David Frum was not on my bingo card but this is right on the money. They live in Trump’s vision of American Carnage while at the same time creating that reality with their love of guns and disparagement of everyone who doesn’t think or look like them.
SatanicPanic
@TS: “Harris Dominated Trump” is a terrible headline for Trump. That’s the last thing he’d want to admit.
Ken
Sounds a lot like his plans to end the war in Ukraine and the Israel-Palestine conflict, and to rebuild US infrastructure and manufacturing. Well, at least when it comes to the release date.
suzanne
i am sitting at the airport in Ft. Myers, waiting to go home. This entire region is designed to appeal to old people and it feels like I have stepped back to the 80s. I want to get out of here. The music they are playing is eaaaaaaasy listening.
I went to the Gulf yesterday and put my feet in it. The water was hot. Need to get back to leaves!
Very happy that MVP led the charge last night.
ETA: “Biggest Part of Me” by Ambrosia is playing. FUUUUUUUCK.
Yarrow
@Sure Lurkalot: David Frum has had some good observations in the last several years about his former political associates. Also he’s been funny from time to time. I always keep a skeptical eye, though.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@SatanicPanic: WaPo headline
Harris dominated Trump in debate, but will it matter? (gift link). This is analysis, not opinion.
VOR
He’s also a bullshitter, as Frankfurt defines it. A liar knows the truth and seeks to conceal it. A bullshitter doesn’t necessarily know or care what’s true, they just say whatever they think will be persuasive at that moment, for that audience. A bullshitter can say X in one moment, then turn around and say Y to a different audience. We can argue if his malignant narcissism is a contributing factor to being a bullshitter, but IMHO he is clearly a bullshitter rather than just a liar.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@suzanne: are you traveling without noise cancelling headphones?
suzanne
@Mr. Bemused Senior: Yeah. I don’t have any!
trnc
I hope someone gets around to saying “The reason fascists like Orban say you’re the toughest guy he’s ever seen is that they know flattery will get them anything they want from you.”
Soprano2
@Kay: It means a lot to me, too. My reaction to 2016 was bad to say the least, I was sure Hillary was going to win.
SatanicPanic
@Mr. Bemused Senior: i didn’t think it was particularly problematic when I saw it. They have since changed it on the front page “Harris Dominated Trump in the Debste but Tight Race is Still Ahead”.
Will it matter is a question I think everyone is asking
Mousebumples
Agreed – but I love that Harris/Walz have multiple paths. Pennsylvania is simplest, but there are multiple possibilities for victory.
TBone
Video at end of article (xit) of VP Harris onstage with Taylor Swift song “The Man” at the Cherry Street, Philadelphia after party.
https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/harris-trump-debate-watch-parties-philadelphia-20240911.html
Soprano2
@Yarrow: This, and he says everything forcefully which gives the impression of strength. The truth is that he’s weak and easily manipulated by flattery, but the way he talks gives some people the impression of strength, and to them that’s all that matters.
Mr. Bemused Senior
In my opinion those people have the wrong idea of what strength is. Alas, there seem to be millions of them.
Gin & Tonic
@Baud:
Ha! ISWYDT.
VOR
@Soprano2: As Bill Clinton said, “When people are insecure, they’d rather have somebody who is strong and wrong than someone who’s weak and right.” Trump will say crazy, objectively wrong, things but say them forcefully
Back in 2018 Trump cited Kim Jong-Un as a character witness, so at least Victor Orban is a slight improvement.
HumboldtBlue
All I remember from the debate was… THE MAYOR OF MOSCOW’S WIFE HAS ENTERED THE CHAT!!!!!
I’m still howling 12 hours later.
Leto
Huh, they actually found someone eating a pet in Springfield. Stopped clock and all.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
A random thought about the Haitian slur. Some on the right have tried to play it off as “a joke, like the couch thing.” That they can’t see the difference between blood libel designed to get people hated if not killed, and poking fun at a weirdo national figure, is one more symptom of whatever it is that prevents Republicans from understanding humor.
And it’s honestly puzzling no matter how many times I see it. Humor seems so basic to being human.
narya
@frosty: Also, IIRC, a few of the casino execs died in a copter crash–TCFG was supposed to be on it but changed his mind or something. I’ve seen speculation that they were going to testify in some way about what was going on. I want to say it was either Lincoln’s Bible’s podcast (The World Beneath) or Mueller, She Wrote.
TBone
@Jeffro: tee hee hee hee! 😆
zhena gogolia
@HumboldtBlue: Even I don’t effing know who the mayor of Moscow’s wife is. I assume he’s talking about Luzhkov, by the way, not the current mayor.
ETA: looked it up, indeed, he’s talking about Luzhkov’s wife. Luzhkov died in 2019. And she didn’t give Hunter Biden anything.
HumboldtBlue
WHERE IS ABDUL???? YOU KNOW… ABDUL, THE TALIBAN GUY!!!!!
Jinchi
The one thing I learned from the outtakes of that debate is that Trump really believes the nonsense about Haitians eating their neighbors pets.
JD Vance and Ted Cruz seem like racist trolls who are at least in on the joke, but TFG is the gullible fool who falls for it.
I’m starting to wonder if he really believes that children are getting sex change surgery from the school nurse.
TBone
@HumboldtBlue: 😆🏆
The Audacity of Krope
Of course they can. The former are nobodies, the latter is an accomplished gentleman of high esteem. Really we’re in the wrong here…
Dave
@Baud: To be fair basing his campaign on “doesn’t talk to JD Vance” would probably be the most relatable thing he could campaign on.
Ksmiami
@Matt McIrvin: but young and good-looking probably overtakes the height factor.
Wapiti
@Soprano2: The truth is that he’s weak and easily manipulated by flattery…
He’s also easily manipulated by taunts. /Harris
Dave
@3Sice: Silver ultimately works for Thiel who I’m fairly sure would keep all women sedated in special breeding farms (and of course euthanize any that are infertile or have aged out of fertility) if we had the technology and he thought he could get away with it soooo that checks out.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@schrodingers_cat:
Others here have already made good suggestions.
If I may be so bold as to make them, here are some book suggestions veering a little bit off the topic of Reconstruction era USA, but which I think you may find useful in thinking about past historical parallels with our current situation.
Dreadnought: Britain, Germany, and the Coming of the Great by Robert K. Massie
This is about how great powers, one of them the at the time global hegemon and the other an ambitious, restless, rising power, mis-managed their relationship with tragic results. The parallels with the USA and China today are obvious. Hopefully we will do a better job of it.
It is very detailed, getting into the personality, outlooks, and flaws of the people involved, and very much the politics of it. A good antidote to purely structuralist accounts of this era.
Rites Of Spring: The Great War and the Birth of the Modern Age by Modris Eksteins
covers the some of the same era but from a very different perspective, focusing on cultural but not political elites and popular moods & attitudes. Very, very, relevant to our current social media dominated era and how politics is influenced not just from top down leadership but also from other directions too. Reveals a mood of reckless & irresponsible narcissism and nihilism in European elite culture in the decades leading up to and thru the First World War which is astonishingly similar to some of our cultural currents today.
Best wishes
Anoniminous
@Barbara:
Casinos can calculate almost minute-by-minute how much money they are making. Gambling is a positive sum game for the house and a negative sum game for the gambler. The fact little Natie-poo doesn’t know that is indicative of his ignorance of statistical analysis.
SW
Immigrants are eating people’s tropical fish. Scooping them right out of their aquariums.
Trivia Man
@Sanjeevs: My biggest beef is the bad baseline. Example:
2019 – 100
2020 – 85 (pandemic! Especially noted in gas prices)
2021 – 105
That shows as +24% inflation YOY. It is more accurately called “average of 2.5% per year”. This SCARY INFLATION OMG is driven by 2 factors… the cratered economy + record corporate profits.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
My Mom had a system she claimed worked for her. My parents were once a year gamblers, on an annual trip to Vegas. Mom figured the house was crooked and she would bet against high rollers at the roulette wheel. So if somebody put $5000 or whatever on red, she’d bet black.
TBone
@HumboldtBlue: 😆
Matt McIrvin
@Ksmiami: A world in which a woman even conceivably could be President and it’s not a joke is uncharted territory. For most of the history of US Presidential politics, this was not really a thing.
I remember when Mondale ran with Geraldine Ferraro–the whole question of whether you’d really want a woman a heartbeat away from the Presidency was something that got openly debated. All that “what if she’s on her period” bullshit.
I think Hillary Clinton changed a lot just by being a serious major-party candidate (and winning the popular vote, such that she clearly provides an existence proof that this isn’t an impossible thing to think about).
And the further existence proof is that Kamala Harris is the Vice-President. She already won an election in which one of the premises was that she was qualified to take on the job of President if needed, and it was a possibility that people were definitely actively thinking about.
Dave
@Jeffro: And once he’s gone they will never ever examine and admit why this was the case; at least not in way that would indicate that THEY need to change their behavior and maybe do some real self-examination.
Parfigliano
@Eunicecycle: Where cant canadain geese be hunted?
The Audacity of Krope
I don’t know, but I’ll go out on a limb and suggest Kenya.
Matt McIrvin
@Parfigliano: Seems like they can be hunted in most places in their range, but you need a license and a stamp and there’s a pretty short season, etc.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
👍
JML
@Anoniminous: It doesn’t matter how smart Silver is or isn’t, or whether his math and stats skills could give him an advantage or not: if he’s gambling $10K daily, then he’s an addict and addicts will always lose in the end because they simply can’t stop. It’s possible for the individual to win against the House and even consistently come out ahead…for a while. Sustaining it when you start going with big numbers all the time? doesn’t happen. Ever.
If Silver has the significant gambling problem that it appears that he does, then he’s cooked until he gets help and stops.
E.
@Jinchi: You can see his Truth Social site without an account. He is currently posting weird videos from unheard of sources about people’s cats getting eaten and blurry photos of police logs referencing Haitian women with geese. It’s beautiful to see.
schrodingers_cat
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ: Thanks. I have done a fair bit of reading around WWI around its centenary. I am particularly looking for the period between the Civil War and the Great War in the US.
Another Scott
@Hoodie: It seems like most people forget that Turmp announced a day after JEB! And he hated JEB! because JEB! vetoed a casino he wanted in Florida. He wanted to crush JEB! more than anything, but then saw that he could actually win the nomination…
Every response by TCFFG is related to petty grievances.
And everyone in that party was afraid of him – afraid of being sued, afraid of his minions coming after them, afraid of whisper campaigns from the National Enquirer, afraid of breaking St. Ronald’s 11th commandment. JEB! wilted, and the PTB in the party were unwilling to see the danger of letting a petty tyrant get ahold of power. Even those who spoke out against him and the dangers (like Lindsey Graham) quickly fell in line.
And here we are.
Let’s run up the score! Forward!!
Cheers,
Scott.
pluky
@Baud: Hey, it’s “coup de grâce”.
Matt McIrvin
@JML: Supposedly casinos in Vegas stopped hosting mathematics conventions because mathematicians weren’t gambling. There are some games like poker where you could theoretically win by taking from someone other than the house, but there aren’t many.
You’d think that, if anything, someone whose expertise is all about odds and statistics would be working for the house.
Captain C
@Chief Oshkosh: Thanks for the tip. Probably not this time, but I will put it in my pocket if I ever have lots of (probably other people’s) money. Going to Kantjil & de Tijger with my sister tonight.
Another Scott
@Baud: Nope.
Cheers,
Scott.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Matt McIrvin: In fact probability theory began with a nobleman gambler who wanted an analysis to support his betting.
Kent
They had another chance after the 2020 elections. All it would have taken is a cascade of GOP leaders to congratulate Biden for his win in November after the election was called. And it would have completely deflated all of Trump’s stop the steal lies and most likely would have prevented 1/6 and Trump’s takeover of the GOP which he accomplished in the wake of the election by all his “stop the steal” fundraising. I think Romney was the only one with the guts to actually congratulate Biden.
But no, they did nothing when he doubled down, and mostly just joined in on the election denial even though all but the most stupid ones actually knew better. Which let Trump keep command of the GOP for another 4 years and here we are
The only reason why Trump is still in command of the GOP is because they just let him. Only a tiny minority like Liz Cheney and Romney even objected.
Kent
It is the same in any other field. For example in finance, the big money is mostly gained by the hedge fund types who just take a cut of other people’s money rather than gamble their own. The Warren Buffet types who consistently beat the market are very rare.
mrmoshpotato
Fixed.
Another Scott
@suzanne: 🎶🎵🎼 “Easy like a Sunday morning!!” 🎶🎵🎼
Have a good flight!
Cheers,
Scott.
stinger
@Dorothy A. Winsor: She owned him from the opening moments. When she promptly strode to center stage, then pursued him into his own corner to introduce herself, he got so flustered that he didn’t even do that handshake yank-dominance thing by jerking the other person toward him and then covering their hand with his second hand. Seven years ago, Justin Trudeau (or possibly Macron) was prepared and held steady, but most people are taken off guard. Harris didn’t even allow him to think about it!
ETA: He wasted his closing remarks by just complaining about her the entire time. And in the middle, the saddest moment of the whole thing was “I saw it on TV!” Like that PROVES it. Like he wasn’t the star of a “reality” show which was the opposite of real, so if for no other reason he should know better. Just sad.
Ruckus
@Ken:
He was talking about lamp poles indicating.
How hard is it to understand completely senile ?
Another Scott
@Jinchi: He saw it on TV! It must be true!!
[ groucho-roll-eyes.gif ]
Cheers,
Scott.
Matt McIrvin
@Ruckus: The lamp poles are not acting convincingly at all! We need Method lamp poles!
Glory b
@schrodingers_cat: Exactly. Everyone should read “Dying of Whiteness: How the Politics of Racial Resentment is Killing America’s Heartland,” by Jonathan Metzl.
catclub
@Leto: and he said just ‘Springfield’ when there is one in every state. He is wrapped into the online right wing echochamber.
Barbara
@Betty Cracker: Only weirdos like my sister in law keep geese as pets. I served goose for Christmas dinner one year. Wasn’t Dick Cheney duck hunting when he nearly killed his friend?
I’m just trying to wrap my brain around what the heck is so odd or crazy about hunting geese. It’s probably out of season but that is a different issue.
Ruckus
@Yarrow:
He’s a narcissist.
That is the least of his issues.
But he has so many negative issues that a book could be written about them. A thick book. He is pompous, arrogant, narcissistic, senile, male human who has never held any concept of even close to normal human as his basis. IOW this is who he is and has been his entire life. He was just more capable of hiding it before he started down the senile road as a pompous, arrogant, narcissistic male human. For someone like him (thankfully there are few humans with this level of arrogant, pompous, narcissistic, senility) what we are seeing would normally have happened long ago and with much less fanfare because that wouldn’t have ever gotten to this place in public. This is, well, semi normal behavior for someone with this bundle of issues and this much spotlight. Given his entire picture, any human with his grab bag of issues would be acting the same. He’s just in a national spotlight and not wearing the jacket with wrap around sleeves.
geg6
@Baud:
But, believe me, everyone in PA knows it.
geg6
@schrodingers_cat:
Chernow’s Grant bio is a pretty good overview of the post-war period from his perspective (also the pre-war and actual war). Give me a while to think and I’ll try to come up with others off the top of my head.
geg6
@Almost Retired:
Yes!!!!
JustRuss
I only watched a few clips, but damn, Kamala went full mean-girl on Trump, and damn is she good at it. And no one deserves it more.
artem1s
@Scout211:
too prepared, oh the humanity.
UncleEbeneezer
@schrodingers_cat: Henry Louis Gates has a series on PBS called Reconstruction, that is supposed to be great too. And Ta-Nehisi Coates’ essay collection, We Were Eight Years In Power features a great essay about the period.
Ruckus
@Chris:
He has a concept of a plan because he is no longer capable of even forming a basis of a plan. What he knows is that he needs a plan. Everything stops at that point.
The big problem here is that he is melting down IN PUBLIC. Humans do on occasion melt down as they age out. He is a bit more about doing everything as a pompous, arrogant, entitled, 6 yr old brat in public than most people that have this level and full box of issues. Most people with this level of issues would not have gotten to be president, on this big of stage, at this level of those issues. And when he was MORE capable of hiding them – he did. Now that he’s arrived at the stage where self control is impossible, he’s showing everything and in the national spotlight.
Soprano2
@catclub: Not exactly – there are 14 Springfields in the U.S., which I found out where there was a contest to determine which one was the Simpson’s Springfield. My city didn’t win that, although they would fit right in here.
Another Scott
@Soprano2: That seems low. Google’s AI tells me there are 67 Springfields. There are 288 Fairviews.
;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
Msb
@Scout211:
no, trump made up that proposal from whole cloth; neither Fox nor Harris knew anything about it.
Matt McIrvin
@Ruckus: I can just never tell what will get public traction.
There were many moments during the 2016 campaign that were characterized at the time as Trump melting down or decompensating, just saying crazy stuff on camera. Time ran multiple covers showing him melting into orange goop. People were taking bets on when he’d drop out or get kicked out.
And he won the election. It just didn’t matter. A lot of voters kind of liked those meltdowns.
Is it different now? Maybe. I can’t tell because it’s hard for me to gauge the minds of other people.
Ruckus
@Another Scott:
When there is an argument to be made, politicians will make one. It might or might not be a good argument but it will get made. Along comes petty grievances, in all his, what’s that word, doesn’t come to mind, oh yes it’s termed bull and shit. This human being has always been this guy. Winning that first election told him that he is superior to everyone else, FINALLY. And he’s run with that selfish concept of his lack of humanity ever since. And he won’t change because he got to be the leader of whatever. He’s 9 yrs old, mentally. He’s still playing games – he just doesn’t know it. And it boils down to – He Was Important! Which means he’s STILL, and always will be IMPORTANT. And as any 9 yr old playing that game in earnest every last thing rotates around him. He doesn’t know how to let go, he became president, even though he could not do the job, he discussed being president with all the wrong people and for all the wrong reasons because HE IS THE MAN. What do you mean he’s no longer THE MAN? He is 78 yrs old, with the maturity of an 8 yr old who isn’t trying all that hard. Especially not that man who is no longer THE MAN.
What I’m saying is that this human is way, way out over his skis and just dived off the top of Mt Everest. It won’t go well for him, and he’ll never understand how or why.
Ruckus
@Matt McIrvin:
Never forget the old adage – IT TAKES ALL KINDS. I’ve never been sure it does but that old adage has stood the test of time. To me what it should say is life HAS all kinds. I don’t think the two are the same…
My point is that I used to be a mental health counselor and the different levels and personality traits of humans fills a huge, huge, huge box. And some find/dig for all the shitty ones. Some look for all the best ones, but mistake some of the bad for good ones, because it is humanity, in all it’s highs, all it’s lows, and in all it’s searches for perfection. Look around and tell me that anyone has ever found them all. Look at shitforbrains and tell me he found one. Or even looked.
geg6
@suzanne:
Oh god, Ft. Myers…tied for the second worst place I’ve ever been in FL. Number 1 is Orlando, for the obvious reasons. No beach and nothing but Disney and Disney-fied stuff. I hate everything about it. Ft. Myers and Panama City come in second worst just based on the populations in each. Just my worst nightmare. I can tolerate Tampa for a short visit. Same with the area my sister used to live: Stuart/Jensen Beach/Palm City/Hobe Sound/Jupiter/Palm Beach Gardens. I do really, really like the Keys, but, sadly, I will not be visiting there ever again in my lifetime because I refuse to ever step foot in that godforsaken state unless they regain some sort of sanity. Which I don’t ever anticipate.
Ken
@Scout211: It’s progress, or at least as much as you can expect. Last night Trump was sure he’d done great and won the debate. Today he’s realized that the debate situation developed not entirely to his advantage*. That gets us to the “as much as you can expect” part, because of course it couldn’t have been his fault, so Harris cheated.
* As Hirohito put it in the WWII surrender broadcast, forever setting the standard for “tell me you’ve lost without saying that you lost”.
CaseyL
@schrodingers_cat:
This might be a later period than you’re looking for, but I **highly** recommend Barbara Tuchman’s The Proud Tower: A Portrait of the World Before the War, 1890-1914 which is about pre-Great War Europe, Russia, and the US.
Wonderful writing on the social upheavals in Europe and Russia, and the nascent imperialist movement in the US (regarding the Philippines).
It leads more or less directly to Tuchman’s equally outstanding The Guns of August (actually written a few years earlier than Proud Tower) which is about the first four months of the Great War.
schrodingers_cat
@CaseyL: I have read the Guns of August and liked it, so I will look up the other book. Thanks for the rec.
schrodingers_cat
@geg6: Thanks,
@UncleEbeneezer: Thanks.
Any recommendations for the robber baron era and expansion west.
Bill Arnold
@TS:
Dunno. Those Atlantic City casinos were expensive construction projects, though. It was a (metaphorical) gold rush. My father was the project manager on a Bally casino there in the same time frame. The floor space (including parking) tripled from the initial plans/ground breaking, and they were (from memory) working three construction shifts (overtime involved) because (from memory) they were losing 30M per month (revenue? profit?) when it wasn’t yet in operation.
Matt McIrvin
@Jeffro:
They know this–it’s why they’re obeying in advance. A hedged bet, like Pascal’s wager. If Trump loses, they don’t pay much penalty for this behavior and they can even play it heroically as opposing the party in power. If Trump wins, they’ve avoided the stick by sucking up.
Ruckus
@CaseyL:
There is no Great War.
All wars are SHIT, PURE UNADULTERATED SHIT.
I know that wars that people win are often considered great events but war and humanity really don’t go together. I’m also sure that in the entirety of humanity many people have considered war to be great, because they won. But war is not great. It is FUCKING WAR. A lot of people die and a lot of property is destroyed.
This rant brought to you by someone who served during a war. And no I was not sent to fight in that war but a lot of people died during that war, a lot were disabled, some massively so. I see some of them because I use the VA and because I spent 2 months in a military hospital while serving. And there have been more lost and disabled veteran citizens since.
Humanity needs to find a better way, because humanity has been building better weapons of death since I was in and we had more than enough of them then. All that brings is a lot of death and all the aftermaths of that. I see those aftermaths every time I go to the VA. The ones you don’t see are the ones six feet under or the ones that never even made it back.
The military strength may stop or slow war, but for some it is another lever of power to use against others.
I want a better humanity.
I’m not holding my breath.
End of rant.
Bill Arnold
@JAFD:
ABC has a full debate transcript:
READ: Harris-Trump presidential debate transcript (ABC, Riley Hoffman, September 10, 2024)
Hamlet of Melnibone
There are areas of gambling where there are people who win more than they lose over the long haul. Poker is the most obvious one. It’s a game of skill where the casino takes a little bit out of every pot. If a player has enough of a skill advantage over the other players at the table, they’ll tend to win over time. It will be bumpy, and judging whether that skill advantage exists is really hard, but there are people who make a living playing poker.
Likewise, DFS (Daily Fantasy Sports) is a game of skill that the sports book is just taking a cut of. A lot of the people playing it aren’t good at it. A few are very good. Those few tend to win money at it over time from the people who aren’t good at it.
The biggest issue is that the number of people who think they are good enough to win is at least an order of magnitude higher than the actual number of people good enough to win.
Bill Arnold
@The Audacity of Krope:
Punching down vs punching up.
Authoritarians believe, genuinely believe, that punching up is wrong and that punching down is simply executing the will of god.
Colette South
@Baud: Dare I say it was a coupe de foie gras?
TerryC
@Eunicecycle: Ohio has a Canada goose hunting season.
Colette South
@sdhays: The family moved to Tennessee so Taylor could further her career.
AnthroBabe
@Chris: No, just…no. He was president and he kept saying he would come up with a plan YEARS ago on healthcare. It shows, at the very minimum, that he isn’t as prepared to be president. The fact that he actually held this job makes having only a “concept” BULL SHITE
ETA: I see that many commenters have said this and I CONCURRR.