This probably came up in a thread I missed about the Taylor Swift endorsement, but GROSS: (Source: Rolling Stone)
[O]ne major Trump supporter, the always-thirsty Elon Musk, thought he could weave viral magic by responding to her with an offer of insemination. “Fine Taylor,” Musk posted on X, the website he owns that continues to smolder in the ruins of Twitter, “you win … I will give you a child and guard your cats with my life.”
Good gravy, what a slimy creep! Also, does Musk realize Swift’s boyfriend is a rather large fellow?
Swift can take care of herself, but it would be immensely satisfying if Mr. Kelce publicly punched the frog-faced fuck-stick Musk into the sun.
Open thread!
Jeffro
I think someone mentioned in an earlier thread that we’re all just hoping one of his blessed self-driving cars, with him in it, decides that the shortest route home is right off a cliff.
AMEN
RaflW
Schumer just blasted Johnson on his pulling of the bill to avert a shutdown. Keep at ’em, Chuck.
HumboldtBlue
oldster
Musk is a rapey misogynst creep, and that’s exactly what you get when you vote for Trump.
For 50% of the men, that’s an attraction. For 97% of the women, that’s a big red flag.
We need to wave that flag high, so it is seen by every woman in the country. Targeting Taylor, the world’s biggest celebrity, will certainly bring it to the attention of many more women who might have missed it otherwise.
Falling Diphthong
I think the best response to this is the one Swift already did: Someone searched Twitter, and while he has tried to post to her, she has never once replied to him, mentioned him, or recognized that he exists.
Served
@Falling Diphthong: That’s exactly how celebrities are told to deal with stalkers
schrodingers_cat
@oldster: And yet over 40% women have voted for the rapey Orange guy two elections in a row. And the percentages for ww are even higher.
Josie
Money must be a strong aphrodisiac to some women. Otherwise no woman would ever look twice at this repulsive narcissist.
ETA: Same goes for the orange one.
mrmoshpotato
Yes and yes.
mrmoshpotato
@RaflW: Is it Threatening A Government Shutdown season again? Oh goody!
Geo Wilcox
Musk is a cave goblin.
Aardvark Cheeselog
That there is a rape threat, I am thinking.
Is it illegal to threaten to rape somebody?
Nina
They need to deploy the term gullible at Trump, the same way they launched weird.
chopper
serious divorced dude energy
cmorenc
@Betty Cracker:
Musk has his own personal-security goon squad of “rather large fellows”, and isn’t sweating how Swift’s bf will react to his comments. OTOH average MAGA barca-lounger who entertains Walter-Mitty fantasies about being a tough-guy MMA fighter or Navy seal- might be wise to refrain from taking Musk’s comments as “permission” to make similar threats.
Geminid
@RaflW: This tough Chuck Schumer sure is an improvement over that weak nobody who was Minority Leader up to January of 2021!
TBone
Per the Philadelphia Inquirer (paywalled), this graphic novel’s creators are sending it to every school and library in the Commonwealth! BLITZ!
1/6 The Graphic Novel
https://www.phillyvoice.com/january-6-graphic-novel-insurrection-capitol-attack-pennsylvania/
Emily B.
sk-EV perv.
(Sorry.)
JaySinWA
@Josie:
It took me a minute to figure out you were talking about Elon, not a weird reaction to Swift.
Carry on.
HumboldtBlue
These motherfuckers are deeply stupid, and the choice of Vance as VP may be the stupidest fucking choice ever made in modern American politics.
Also, the Harris social media team is excellent.
hueyplong
@Emily B.: I kind of like it.
ArchTeryx
@cmorenc: Maybe she needs to hire the Boys. They’re used to dealing with very large fellows with equally large egos.
(Reference: A comic and live-action series set in a world where superheroes exist, but for the most part are just plain villains. They are under the control of a giant multinational corporation, Vought, who keeps their dirty little secrets while they appear to the world as heroes. The Boys are a normie vigilante group that specializes in taking out rogue Supes).
TBone
I believe it was our Suzanne who said yesterday that Kelce should make fElon into a red smear on the sidewalk.
kindness
We all know the right lives in a very small epistemic spheres. It just surprises me still how those inside that bubble don’t see how deplorable they truly are. Elon knows his suggestion reeks of poor taste and yet he says it anyhow.
trollhattan
@HumboldtBlue: My inner editor wishes it said “If you are 18 or older” but small potatoes compared to the high profile she’s chosen to take and the utter blathering from Republicans who want the little billionaire filly to shut up and…sing? How does this work, anyway?
trollhattan
@kindness:
Thinks he’s funny because he’s fired anybody who failed at telling him how clever and handsome and funny he is 3X/day.
Now who else does that remind us of?
JoyceH
What’s weird is that Musk probably thought this tweet is cute and flirty. These guys live in their own reality.
TBone
@TBone: wonkette comes through with the why this is necessary
https://www.wonkette.com/p/trumps-good-boy-jd-vance-wouldve
ArchTeryx
@JoyceH: When you can buy or intimidate your way out of any consequences, you figure every single other human being is your property, to play with or break as you choose.
Trump has the exact same attitude. And he still gets 40% of the population to vote for him. It’s a massive indictment of this whole culture.
Geminid
@Nina: I thought Harris’s statement about Putin “eating your [Trump’s] lunch” would hit home with the Polish-Americans she referenced. It got a lot of attention here and overseas as well.
Harris mentioned Pennsylvania’s 600,000 Polish-American voters, but there are plenty of other voters with Polish and Ukrainian heritage in swing states, and from other Soviet bloc countries as well.
JaySinWA
@trollhattan:
To “well actually that” it should be if you will be 18 or older on November 5 2024. /butcloseenoughfornongovernmentwor
eta.
Set her registration and voting recommendations to music with backup singer vocals? /pedant.
Dangerman
Worked for Melania. I’m not calling her a hooker; let’s just say expensive escort. Although I think she is going to be in for a rude surprise after Hubby gets his ticket punched. I think he’s leveraged so far out the ass she might need a real job. I hear 7/11 is hiring.
trollhattan
Well lookee here.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@mrmoshpotato: I want to live long enough to see a normal budget process and a normal debt ceiling process, as defined by law.
Redshift
@kindness:
The old adage “lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas” seems entirely inadequate to describe someone who lies down with nazis and incels, but the same idea applies.
bbleh
So there is much (deserved talk) of the “toxic masculinity” problem, but I swear they’re regressing before our eyes.
That comment of Musk’s isn’t so much masculinity of ANY kind as, I dunno, creepy juvenile nastiness. Like, WAY pre-adult. And yes it’s entirely plausible that the latter precedes the former in (what passes for) their emotional development, but they really seem on a determined march toward toddlerhood. And then there’s the orange guy …
If we’re hurtling toward the long-predestined Final Stage of reptilian Republicanism, will it turn out to be not a horrific spasm of violence but … a fetal curl? Immobile, whimpering, thumb-sucking, and utterly impotent?
SatanicPanic
We should all be thankful that Musk is foreign born or Republicans would want him to be president.
Suzanne
@TBone:
I didn’t say that he should. But I did imply that, if he were to do so without any encouragement from me, I would not have even a slight sad about it.
Redshift
@Geminid: Yeah, it was masterful. It’s just one data point, but I have a friend who talked a relative back from being a Trump supporter by filling him in on where he and his ilk were on Ukraine, which of course he had never heard about from within the bubble.
kissel
He is so really gross and disgusting. I’m sure the only thing his simple mind could resort to was trying to sexually humiliate her. I’m also sure that her endorsement really bothers right wing men, as she is physically what they want all women to look like.
Redshift
@Suzanne: Something akin to “have read some obituaries with great satisfaction.” 🙂
HumboldtBlue
Josie
CNN has a report on an interesting case filed four years ago to protect voters, election workers, etc., which is coming to life and landing in the courtroom of Judge Chutkan. Might be interesting.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/12/politics/sleeper-case-rnc-trump-voter-intimidation/index.html
Dave
@chopper: No one in history has ever been more divorced than Musk but that only scratches the surface of his dysfunction.
Gravenstone
@HumboldtBlue: Vance is deeply stupid and apparently unable to parse words as they vomit forth from his own mouth. This is an actual statement he made on Fox.
I mean, have you met your own running mate?
SatanicPanic
@HumboldtBlue: and that’s just with their wives!
CaseyL
IIRC, there was a whole thread here some weeks ago on Women Who Love Patriarchy. It comes down to status: being the crab who’s on top in the bucket and not the ones underneath; and a complete inability to see a world beyond the bucket.
As for Musk… it is a constant shock to remember that 10 years ago he was considered eccentric but also a kind of hero for making EVs cool and affordable (with the Tesla Model S). It’s a same he didn’t drop dead back then, before revealing his entire ass to the world and destroying every brand associated with him.
Burnspbesq
Kelce would probably not take the shot at Leon, in the interest of team unity. His QB’s wife is a big-time MAGA influencer.
matt
Musk likes to challenge people to fights for charity, just sayin’.
SatanicPanic
What are the odds we’ll have a government shutdown right before the election?
SomeRandomGuy
I hear Linda Ronstadt is endorsing Harris/Walz, but, rumor has it, she’s considering allowing Trump to use her hit, “Poor Pitiful Me” at his campaign rallies.
Just a rumor, but, hey, musical generosity!
Dave
@Gravenstone: He’s absorbed the lesson of the modern on-line right and the more malignant portion of finance guys.
Always be pushing, never admit fault, and always toady for the boss.
Though while he’s a natural toady he isn’t a smooth one.
Compounded by the loss of ability to evaluate anything outside of that particular framework.
trollhattan
@SomeRandomGuy: Carly counters with allowing Donny to use “You’re so Vain.”
Chris
@TBone:
It Can’t Happen Here for the age of Marvel?
Scout211
@trollhattan: Good, good.
I’m sure the state will appeal but the judge ruling on state constitutional grounds is good, I would think.
cain
That’s just the kind of alpha male response these MAGA people love! One punch, one way ticket to the floor!
JaySinWA
@SatanicPanic: We should be hopeful that Musk isn’t popular enough to be seen as a viable candidate for president, constitution or not.
Whenever some naturalized citizen politician approaches that level of popularity speculation about “fixing” that constitutional problem comes up. (I seem to recall Schwarzenegger fantasies for a while) Fortunately it dies down quickly, but if there ever was a populist/authoritarian wave strong enough, that “problem” might go away either by legal or illegal means.
TBone
@Suzanne: wink’s as good as a nudge! 😉
Baud
@HumboldtBlue:
I’m happy there’ll be a VILF for middle aged white women.
cain
@Geminid: Portland has a lot of Ukrainian and Russian expats here. They are are very conservative and generally do not vote Democratic from whatever conversations I’ve had with a Ukrainian gal I was dating for a short time.
piratedan
@trollhattan: perhaps the ‘Stones could let him use ‘It’s All Over Now”….
Burnspbesq
@SomeRandomGuy:
I suspect that Warren Zevon’s estate would be ok with this use of his song.
SatanicPanic
@JaySinWA: I’m skeptical they’d be able to push that through. But who knows.
Chris
@HumboldtBlue:
… and immigration was, in fact, a pretty big part of how it became prosperous and more generally successful. It gets you a fast-growing population that’s also motivated and loyal.
PAM Dirac
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
I don’t know if there has ever been such a thing as a “normal budget process”. As a former Federal employee there were plenty of continuing resolutions going back at least to the 70s. I think there was at least one year where the entire fiscal year was a continuing resolution. It is true that this whole process didn’t become highly partisan and weaponized until Gingrich in the 90s, but that doesn’t mean everything was smooth and uncomplicated before then.
ETA: And because it was less weaponized, it wasn’t really a big news item, but if the appropriation bill for your department hadn’t been passed, it was something you had to seriously deal with.
TBone
@matt: 😆 big talk! Just like “fully self driving” and “Mars” 🍄
Whatever happened to his match with Fuckerberg? Wrong answers only!
Geminid
In the “Wars and Rumors of War” department, from Istanbul-based reporter Levent Kemal:
Kemal links to an article by somaliaguardian.com that said these airports are vital because Al Shabab insurgents control the roads in the area. The idea was to use Egyptian soldiers to free up Somalian troops.
Egypt is siding the Somalian government in its diplomatic conflict with Ethiopa and breakaway Somaliland, which lies a few hundred miles to the north of the Gedo region. Somaliland has agreed to give Ethiopia a land corridor with a port and military base on the Gulf of Aden (Ethiopia has been landlocked since Eritrea broke away). Somalia’s government claims this is a violation of their country’s sovereignity.
There is also an “ongoing dispute over a hydroelectric dam being built [by Ethiopia] on the Nile River’s main tributary.” The dam would impact Egypt’s water supply.
Hoodie
@HumboldtBlue: Vance is reprising Newt Gingrichs’ old role, i.e., “a stupid person’s idea of a smart person.” He has that same know-it-all smarminess that is totally unjustified considering the nonsense that he spews.
Anoniminous
@CaseyL:
The Tech Press is much worse than the Political Press for ass kissing and knob slobbing, as hard as that may be to believe.
geg6
@trollhattan:
Wow. ND? Seriously?
TBone
@Chris: 🎯
Kent
She won’t need the NFL’s help. She has her own army. My 3 Swiftie daughters are ready to drop-kick Musk into the sun along with 50 million other of their “best friends”.
This is not going to help Tesla sales one bit. There are a shitload of 20-something, 30-something and even 40-something Taylor Swift fans out there with the means to buy new cars.
TBone
@cain: oh now I’m remembering the glass-jawed MAGA boxer 😆
SomeRandomGuy
Website note: DuckDuckGo 0.88.4 browser is crashing on page 1 (but not page 2) of BJ, Windows 11. Firefox has no problems.
p.a.
Oh, so Vance has come out for a more equal distribution of the nation’s wealth?🙄 That would enrich our prosperity relative to the rest of the developed world. I think by PPP (US$, US= 1)Norway is top-ranked at approx 8. There are of course multiple definitions of prosperity.
The pathetic thing about these conservaturd capitalism-lovers is that they ACT and LEGISLATE as if capitalism is a zero-sum game, and that is the exact opposite of what it’s supposed to be about. One would be inclined to think they’re just liars…
Capitalism in general, like socialism and Christianity, has not failed! They have just never been really tried. No true Scotsman…
Kent
So bizarre that in the national divorce we are getting the NFL, Bud Light, Disney and 98% of music while the right is getting Cybertrucks, Chick-fil-A, Ted Nugent, and Kid Rock.
TBone
@JaySinWA: I told a Schwarzenegger story first thing this morning (on JC open thread of last night) triggered by my quirky local weather guy’s celebration of Arnold’s anniversary of becoming a US citizen. Pro-immigrarion, tonic masculinity spin by weather guy, who is a former and current teacher of science here in PA.
Kent
@PAM Dirac: I don’t think a government shutdown right before the November election will rebound to the GOP’s advantage. They are universally unpopular with everyone who isn’t already in the MAGA cult.
The House leaders like Johnson have to know this. They are craven but not stupid.
tam1MI
Bring Back the Gephardt Rule!
TBone
@Kent: 😆
Kent
I’m across the river in Camas but teach in Vancouver where there are even more Ukrainian and Russian immigrants. I have tons of their kids in my classes. Yes, they older generation is mostly conservative because they were fleeing the USSR and communism. It is the same reason why so many older Vietnamese immigrants are conservative.
The younger generation though is fully assimilated.
Geminid
@Redshift: Besides considerations specific to to Russia’s aggression against Ukraine, Harris’s line of attack raises a broader question, that of Trump’s character. This is a sticking point for some Republicans and Independents, and Trump’s fealty to Putin speaks to Trump’s character in the broadest sense.
Anoniminous
@TBone:
Re: Tonic Masculinity
Thought that was a typo until I whipped-out my 10th Degree Red Belt in Google-fu: nope
Chris
@CaseyL:
A while ago, Abigail at LGM had a post about the whole cliché of the billionaire-inventor-genius-techno-prophet, how hard Musk tried to lean into the stereotype, and how much our culture reveres them (from fictional heroes like Tony Stark and Reed Richards to real characters with reputations blown way out of proportion like Thomas Edison and Howard Hughes).
It’s when I realized I must have watched too many James Bond movies at an impressionable young age. To me, that archetype has always come off as sinister, not inspiring. To be fair, all billionaires come off that way, but not all of them give off that sort of megalomaniacal god-complex vibe. And Silicon Valley especially seems to be lousy with them.
TBone
@Kent: in this matter, they will be craven and stupid. I fully expect a hissy fit shutdown because they know they’re losing anyway.
tam1MI
Great joke, but I feel duty bound to point out that the song was written by the late great Warren Zevon. Who agree with Tim Walz on Zevon belonging in the Rock Hall of Fame.
BR
@Chris:
I have often thought that I should trust my gut on people and the inverse of my gut on investing, because I think the two should go together when they may actually be opposites. I have thought Zuckerberg and Musk were toxic even from before they were really in the public eye (mid ’00s). I quietly hoped that their businesses would fail. Instead I should have known that their form of toxic leadership would help them dominate their industries and make a ton of money for themselves at any cost to those around them and the general public.
cain
OMG.. can’t breathe
https://x.com/notcapnamerica/status/1834222027596566913?t=ELuDyAPEUrt5y7rFjku5Ww&s=19
😂😄😄
Kent
There is also no small population of women in this country to seek to marry rich men. Even today in 2024. And so they favor policies that are likely to make “their” men even richer and more powerful.
It isn’t so much about keeping other women down as it is propping their men up.
TBone
@Anoniminous: glad you’re all caught up! And good job looking for the answer instead of pointing out a typo 😁
In PA, we celebrate Grandpa Jack!
https://www.wnep.com/article/news/community/jeremys-journeys/the-apparently-kid-10-years-later-wayne-county/523-4ed65546-5b32-41e6-9adb-d0e667c5b0df
KatKapCC
@schrodingers_cat: There are unfortunately a lot of women who think that if they take a violent man’s side, he won’t be violent to them. I sincerely hope they never ever find out how wrong they are.
NutmegAgain
@Jeffro: Or bursting into flames? Generally I wouldn’t wish an inferno on another being, but whoo boy Apartheid Abomination kind of begs for it.
TBone
@NutmegAgain: unplanned rapid disassembly if using polite terms
Anoniminous
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TBone
@cain: 🤣
catclub
But they might do as Trump wishes and shut it down.
Double stupid. Triple craven.
Geminid
@Kent: I’m curious: How’s it looking for Rep. Gluesenkamp Perez in her rematch with knuckle-dragging Joe Kent
UncleEbeneezer
@JaySinWA: No need to spell it out. The youth get it. I saw a tweet or article recently that showed that registrations for 17.5 year olds (who will be 18 for Election Day) has been off the charts!
BR
I’ve shared this ActBlue list I made before, but I want to share it again because I’ve gotten personal emails from the young swing state candidates I’m fundraising for on this list, and they’re the real deal — they’re working hard to get Gen Z voters out to the polls, and that’s what we need right now.
I just had an email exchange with one of the candidates, Nick Jacobson, who’s running in a PA district smack in the middle of the state, far from Philly or Pittsburgh. He, like the others, are working hard to get young voters out.
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/youngswingdemcandidates
MazeDancer
They’re up to 405K visitors to vote.gov to register from Taylor’s link.
What if she brings in millions of new voters?
Emily B.
@Kent: House Republicans are about to learn all over again that Trump doesn’t care about anyone but himself.
catclub
and smart and energetic and young. But besides that, what have the Romans done for us?
{bat signal for valued commenter}
Matt McIrvin
@SomeRandomGuy: He’s no good, he’s no good, he’s no good, baby he’s no good.
TBone
Hubby said he just saw Lil Mike Johnson berate a reporter for asking about new security measures in place for the next J6:
Now I dunno if that’s the direct quote hubby says it is, but he insists that just happened on live TV.
Hubby:
UncleEbeneezer
YouTube link, but Chappell Roan had a very hot performance at the VMA’s featuring the singer in knights’ armor with swords and fire!
catclub
Somebody just posted that ‘ You don’t know anybody as stupid as Trump.’
These are surely some of the worlds slowest learners. On purpose.
TBone
@Emily B.: it will never penetrate those numbskulls.
mrmoshpotato
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
Do either of those things even exist in this country?
Matt McIrvin
@Chris: He does remind me of Hugo Drax from “Moonraker”.
Baud
@cain:
That’s a good one.
sdhays
@Jeffro: That was me! 😀
Baud
@mrmoshpotato:
Dems did it when they were in control.
Kent
It has been a surprisingly quiet campaign so far. As the incumbent Marie Perez (how she goes by now) is doing all the right stuff. She is everywhere in the district making news as a Congresswoman talking to loggers, farmers, fishermen, and every other blue collar and union type in all the small towns north of Vancouver. And she has a really good social media presence constantly pointing that out. She is really fabulous and a great fit for this district.
Her opponent is the same MAGA idiot who mostly seems to be phoning it in and expecting a different result this time around. Still the same MAGA election denial bullshit. I don’t think he is the right kind of GOPer to beat her.
But this district still leans red. It is mathematically the reddest district in the country held by a Democrat outside of Alaska. So she is basically a little bit like John Tester, trying to win in places where Trump is still popular. Although this district will continue to become more blue over time because most of the growth is in the Portland suburbs part of the district, not the rural areas.
It will be a nail biter just like the national election. But I am optimistic. I have no idea what local polling is showing.
Jeffro
@MazeDancer:
YES PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN FSM
Here’s hoping Ms. Swift opines upon the need to get rid of the E.C. next!!
TBone
@BR: I’m in that 85th District of PA and will vote for him. I’ve been keeping my financial powder dry until October and then plan on doing a dollars blitzkrieg. Don’t tell hubby 😆 he doesn’t know how much I’ma spend and never will.
TBone
@MazeDancer: that’s the whole entire enchilada.
Kay
Jeffro
@sdhays: well thanks, then!
Kent
Those two time spans are the Bush Years and the Trump/Biden years.
Wonder why they skipped the Obama years from 2008-2016
EDIT: Looking at the graphs in the article it seems like the trends really accelerated with the election of Trump. Who seems to be uniquely polarizing when it comes to gender. Also maybe the nomination of Hillary Clinton by the Dems who seemed equally polarizing on gender as well. And who ran a much more gender-centered campaign compared to what Harris is doing now.
West of the Rockies
Be cool if someone posted Musk’s homely face on X with the audio looped lines “I’m a creep… I’m a weirdo…”
sdhays
@cmorenc: This triggered a memory of when Elon teased us with a good time by challenging Mark Zuckerberg to a cage fight (or whatever), only to discover Mark Zuckerberg is an expert in all kinds of martial arts and can kill you with his bare hands.
Pudgy McRapeFace talked a
gooddecent…game about knowing how to use his flabby ass to beat down people from his hard scrabble days in a South African prep school and then later quietly called off the event due to “needing to wash his hair” or something.TBone
@UncleEbeneezer: ah the reverse “Break a leg, Dumbvict!” gambit 😆
cain
@MazeDancer:
When we getting Beyonce? Coordinating that? Maybe in October!
thylacine
Reuters/IPSOS has MVP 47%, Cheeto Benito 42%. 53-24 on who won the debate.
Kay
@Kent:
Suzanne
@Kent:
There’s been a bunch of stuff that’s happened that, I think, has crystallized for many women their marginalized status. Trump for sure, but also MeToo, and the rise of the manosphere, and Dobbs, and this nonstop rhetoric about wanting us to leave public life to return to barefoot-and-pregnant, sweeping and ironing status.
I think lots of young women (and men) didn’t really grasp how many men just hate women.
trollhattan
Toss in D.C. statehood.
Yes, I’m treating this like a brief window in which to visit Santa and will be also asking for a puppy.
Geminid
@Kent: I read that the Republican Congressional Campaign Committee reserved $6 million in Portland TV and radio advertising time for this cycle. The plan is to use some on offense against Rep. Perez and some on defense in the Oregon 5th CD across the Columbia River. The Republican freshman there, Lori Chavez-DeRemer, has a strong Democratic challenger in State Rep. Janelle Bynum.
The two districts are in a way mirror images of each other. The Oregon 5th was represented by Blue Dog Curt “Fu$king” Schrader until.he lost his primary in 2022, and then Chavez-DeRemer eked out a narrow win. The Washington district Rep. Perez represents was held by Impeacher Jaime Herrera Butler, but she came in 3rd in the jungle primary and Perez squeaked by Joe Kent in November.
Those two purple districts have a lot in common, and thir elections could provide data as to trends in Pacific Northwest politics.
trollhattan
@Suzanne: I sure learned that in 2016.
Antonius
I believe Ms. Swift’s current boyfriend envisioned Musk’s next career move as a “pretzel”.
Kay
When we win, the analysis will be that Republicans like Musk and Vance should have focused less on increasing their share of Black and Latino men and more on holding their share of women. “Women” is just a much larger group of people than “conservative Black and Latino men”. By a lot.
I think I would have chosen to hold my share of the much larger group rather than peel off an increased share of the much smaller group.
John S.
@Kent:
I’m in Kim Schrier’s district. Totally different demographics, though slightly conservative in some areas. She’s fantastic, and I’m pretty sure she will comfortably beat Carmen Goers.
schrodingers_cat
@Antonius: That was a fake tweet according to the Community Notes.
Kay
@Suzanne:
Taylor Swift expressed a political opinion and Right wing men immediately lined up to tell her her only value was as a baby producer. Elon Musk spends every day promoting Republicans and no one tells him to go take care of his 92 children.
It isn’t subtle. They want us excluded from political and civic life. Silenced.
TBone
Hubby just called out to me (I’m sitting outside):
I adore this man, he is SO excited! 🥰😍
FastEdD
The original lyrics of Poor Poor Pitiful Me by Warren Zevon had a verse Linda Ronstadt left out, for obvious reasons:
Well I met a girl at the Rainbow Bar
She asked me if I ‘d beat her
She took me back to the Hyatt House
… I don’t wanna talk about it
thylacine
Morning Consult, post-debate: MVP 50% (+1), CB 45% (-1).
prostratedragon
In other musical notes, What’s that about Springfield?
Hoodie
@Kay: These people are not ready for prime time as evil geniuses. The picking of JD Vance being the biggest exemplar of that. The obvious thing Trump could have done to help make inroads with women would have been to pick Haley as his running mate, God knows she’s venal enough to accept the job.
TBone
@schrodingers_cat: 😆
TBone
@prostratedragon: first time ever I was allowed right in to view a nitter link!
Baud
Kay
Elon Musk is no more credible on US politics or policy than Taylor Swift is – I would argue he’s less so because he inherited wealth and she did not, but surely he is no MORE credible. The one and only reason he thinks he is is because he’s a man.
Hoodie
@prostratedragon: What really comes out in that video is Trump’s Queens accent, particularly on “dogs.”
TBone
@Baud: that’s good. Next they should call the FBI and report the terror threats in Springfield.
geg6
@Antonius:
Hahahahahaha, saw that on FB and literally LOLed.
TBone
@Hoodie: for me, it was the facial expressions on the dawg.
SomeRandomGuy
@tam1MI: If I understand it, Ronstadt can give permission for her cover of the song to be played at a political rally, for example, but, couldn’t license the song in general. So (my understanding goes) Zevon would have to license a new Lara Trump single, but wouldn’t have to directly license the Ronstadt single for performance.
I have no idea if Zevon could pull Ronstadt’s license for the song, to keep her from allowing it to be played at a TCFG rally, but, geez, Zeev, isn’t this *just* the circumstances for which the song was written? “Well I ha-aad the whole shebang – four years president. But I had to crime, the whole damn time, not just a resident.”
I know it’s not what you *wrote*, but who ever would have imagined such a poor pitiful white house pissant-dent?
Suzanne
@Kay: I know. They want to drive us out of professional life, government, higher education, places of prominence and creativity and public esteem. They’ll let a few women stay in the workforce to wipe asses and occasionally babysit and clean the hotel rooms. Maybe be cashiers at the grocery store.
Kay
@Hoodie:
Just seems like a no brainer to me. “Should we try to get and hold voters from 50% of the population or 7%?”
Hmmm. Let’s go with….7%.
ArchTeryx
@Kay: The only solution to that is for women – especially white women – to quit voting for Republicans. Black women can’t always carry nearly 100% of the load. After Dobbs they have been forced to choose a side. If they choose their bigotry over their gender, nothing will ever change.
Burnspbesq
@tam1MI:
Nope. Two great albums aren’t enough.
Kay
@Suzanne:
It enrages me. There is absolutely no rational reason Taylor Swift can’t express a political opinion. This is pure hatred of women.
geg6
@SomeRandomGuy:
Zevon isn’t going to be doing any of that from the grave. Unless he’s more talented than I originally thought he already was.
HumboldtBlue
@Hoodie:
Yup.
zhena gogolia
My normie conduit to the local conspiracy nuts says they’re saying that ESPN will now refuse to ever show Taylor Swift attending a Chiefs game.
Kayla Rudbek
Kay
@ArchTeryx:
I just don’t know what this means as a practical matter. Women who vote for Republicans don’t believe Black women are carrying any load. They want Republicans to win. That’s why they vote for them. So they don’t think Black women voting for Democrats is helping them in any way.
We can say it to white women who vote for Democrats but they already vote for Democrats so it isn’t relevant to them either.
I’m just not sure who this scolding is supposed to convince. Republican women won’t be persuaded by it because it doesn’t make any sense to say it to them and Democratic women already vote for Democrats.
Jeffro
Why not, right?
Add a couple million new, young voters to the mix and we just might get Christmas in November after all. =)
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
They’re going to be disappointed.
trollhattan
@tam1MI: Even just from the basis of who else is in there, he’s a slam dunk for membership. Cannot be held accountable for the cancer that slammed the door on any more work.
Enjoy that sandwich.
HumboldtBlue
@Kay:
And they’re doubling down.
Chris
@Matt McIrvin:
The bad guy they actually remind me of the most isn’t from Bond, it’s from the second Tomb Raider movie. Where the plan is to release an ancient plague and let it wipe out most of the human race… but only after making enough antivirus to protect the so-called best and the brightest. “Heads of corporation, heads of state…”
Kid me found this stupid: how the fuck are you going to have a functioning world with nothing but politicians or tycoons? Who’s going to handle their food, their medicine, their indoor plumbing?
Kid me, of course, had never heard of Ayn Rand.
hitchhiker
@John S.: Thanks for that; I really like her, and I was worried that they might find someone besides Joe Kent to run against her. Fingers crossed.
Kay
@ArchTeryx: \
If I go to my white female neighbor who votes for Republicans and say “Black women can’t carry this load without you” she will say “what load? I’m a Republican. I don’t want Black women to vote for Democrats”
If I go to my white female neighbor who votes for Democrats and say “Black women can’t carry this load without you” she’ll say “well, I vote for Democrats so they’re not in my case”
I don’t know who this trope applies to.
Suzanne
@ArchTeryx:
I will note that white men can stop voting for Republicans, too, y’all.
Some things to note: Only Silents and Boomers favored Trump in 2020. And the country is getting less white. Approx. 80% of Silents are white, 75% of Boomers are white, and 50% of Millennials are white.
frosty
@SomeRandomGuy:
She’d have to get Warren Zevon’s estate to agree to that. Other than the title though, I don’t want to see TFG using it:
Poor poor, pitiful me. Poor poor pitiful me.
These young girls won’t let me be.
Lord have mercy on me.
Peke Daddy
https://youtu.be/80_39eAx3z8?si=5mcyNiXh8Gbj-GYx
JPL
@Baud: A friend’s granddaughter watches football with her dad because of Taylor Swift. Kansas City wouldn’t let that happen.
The Thin Black Duke
@Kay: White women who vote for Republicans are Aunt Lydias, period. Call it “scolding”, but as long as they continue to do it, every election will be a nailbiter. It is what it is.
HumboldtBlue
PBS went to Springfield, Ohio, and looked into the impact Haitian immigrants are having, and it’s overwhelmingly good.
karen gail
@oldster: Since I’m a single older woman it has been a huge red flag for me since I was in my teens. These old white men don’t change with the years, they just get worse; now we have incels who seem to believe that women owe them sex.
Even being in my 70’s I still get and hear comments about what a woman “needs;” which is a big reason while I live “alone” my four-footed companion is a protective white shepherd.
For some reason I thought by the time a woman got to be a grandmother she would be “safe” from rabid males; live and learn, for some simply being single and female makes one a target.
zhena gogolia
@Baud: And it will be delicious!
BR
@Kay:
I saw a video last week of a woman doing voter registration tabling in a conservative area of New Jersey talking about how the Republican women in that area seem to be desperate to quietly signal to someone that they’re voting for Harris. She mentioned how many Republican women came up to her and whispered that they’re voting for Harris and that they can’t tell their husbands. I don’t know how representative this sort of thing is, but it’s interesting.
The Thin Black Duke
@Suzanne: Why should asshole white guys stop voting for Republicans? It’s transactional, after all. They’re voting to maintain their power. It makes a twisted type of sense.
BR
@TBone:
Really great to hear!
Jesse
I just found out Musk has 12 kids.
Suzanne
I will note that the Silent Generation favored Trump 58/42 in 2020. That’s a 16-point gap. (Boomers favored Trump by 3 and Gen X favored Biden by 3.) White women favored Trump by a 7-point gap. Now, there’s plenty of overlap between those groups, because older people are much more likely to be white.
But, like….. old white men can fucken show up and do the right thing, too.
Matt McIrvin
@Chris: Drax had almost the same evil plot but he had a collection of people he considered genetically superior (heavily weighted toward gorgeous young women in skimpy outfits) who were going to wait it out in his private space station and be the basis of his new human race.
Suzanne
@The Thin Black Duke:
Because they should strive to be better people.
Women are called on to make self-sacrificing choices all the time — as they should. White guys can do it, too.
TBone
@BR: 💙
schrodingers_cat
@The Thin Black Duke: Also talking to the people who are close to you and are supporters of RWNJs works. Not with the true believers but those who do it for social reasons and are not haters themselves. I have tried i
Also countering the true believers in your social groups gives others a permission structure to note vote for the bigots
Kevin
Betty!
I came out of retirement to say I just found out about what’s going on and wanted you to know I’m sending you good (actually, downright amazing) thoughts from Brooklyn. I’m so happy we had our time blogging together and kicking ass in the early years. And I’m overjoyed you found a larger audience here. You deserve it and the world needs it.
A lot of people say “be well” but I’ll settle with “be you.” Because you are fucking awesome.
xo,
K
TBone
@BR: that is my exact lived experience here at the Walmart when wearing my pink Childless Cat Lady Voting for Kamala T-shirt, which I wear every time I have to go to Walmart. Only one weirdo accosted me, compared to at least about 50 approvals.
Old School
@Burnspbesq:
You need to hear more Zevon albums.
The Thin Black Duke
@Suzanne: Why strive to be “better” when being a white asshole in White America gets you rewarded? There’s plenty of examples: Newt Gingrich, Alex Jones, Matt Gaetz. And so on.
Sorry. I’m cranky today. Tired of the BS.
Let’s call it what it is: until it affects them personally, some white people don’t care.
Outnumbering them is the only option we have. Hopefully it’s enough.
BR
TikTokers seem to really love KamalaHQ’s vibe. Lots of short clips like this:
https://www.tiktok.com/@kamalahq/video/7413804594331127086
Geminid
@Jeffro: One of my Charlottesville friends sent me a link to a Cardinal News article about former VA05 Rep. Denver Riggleman titled, “Riggleman’s road: from Gop Congressman to Republicans for Harris.” It’s pretty good.
KatKapCC
@HumboldtBlue: This has been a topic among podcasting bros and other assorted men with microphones for a long time.
Jeffro
OT but I had the misfortune to actually…bless me…skim through George Will’s latest in the Post today.
(It was titled, “Post-debate, the optimum 2024 political outcome comes into view” and I wanted to see if I guessed right: that he’d be good with Harris winning and the GOP taking the Senate.)
Well, I was technically right, but holy cow does the man have issues.
He’s incredibly insulting to Harris the whole way through. “synthetic”, “no more agency than an iron filling drawn to a magnet”, a “one-note” campaigner.
And he is way, waaaaay delusional: somehow the perfect mix of a ‘feckless, far-left’ president duking it out with a now suddenly sane GOP (especially in the Senate) is going to cause voters to…crave the GOP and usher in a resurgence of “traditional conservatism” in 2028. Um, George, when what you want to happen lines up perfectly with your predictions, you need to double-check that shit.
(“Mr. Will, if I could just ask, sir: what happens to trump between 2024 and 2028 if he loses? Does he go away quietly? And issue no instructions to his followers, who by now constitute a majority of the House GOP and the GOP voter base? Just turns the party back over to…well, to you, sir…and happens on his merry way to jail?
Or…or, you fucking dipshit…does he perhaps re-file to run again on Nov 6th, 2024? Or at the latest, on Jan 21st, 2025? Immunity, and all that…sir”)
The best part (and by that, I mean the dumbest) is the end:
Got that folks? Trump-Biden-Harris: all equally bad. Stupid voters!
And then there’s this…
*ok, he got that part right – we are definitely embarrassed by trump! ;)
I might give him partial credit on the ‘bargaining’ thing if by that, he means two parties working together to cut bargains that actually get problems solved. But if he meant that sincerely, he’d just note that there’s one party trying to solve problems…and another that’s two weeks away from once again holding our entire government hostage.
It’d be more accurate to say that a majority of Americans just crave living under unhindered Democratic rule. ;)
Belafon
@Suzanne: The GenX is probably the first generation where minorities were a large enough percentage of the population to overcome white bias because the percentage of GenX whites that vote Republican is larger than in any other groups.
lollipopguild
@HumboldtBlue: The Supreme Six will announce that only white men 21 years or older who have at least 1 million in cash and property will be allowed to vote.
Jeffro
@Geminid: ooo, I’m going to go look that up – thanks!
Chris
@Matt McIrvin:
Right. It’s the same plan, but without the class-consciousness element of the other guy’s, which is what really makes it extra pure 2020s Silicon Valley villainy (though predating it by a few years).
On the other hand, Drax does have the space rockets…
Poe Larity
Is there such a thing as non-creepy Edge Lords?
HumboldtBlue
@BR:
Sleepy time Trump supporters.
hueyplong
@Jeffro: No one forced you to read that Will column. What if yours was the click that maintained its existence?
Suzanne
@The Thin Black Duke: If your argument is that it’s reasonable to vote Republican because they serve your immediate self-interest (be that social, financial, whatever), then why shouldn’t white women vote for them, too? Some women do just fine under patriarchy. Some women are really good at it.
Nope, that is not my moral framework. All feminism really promises is agency. It doesn’t genuinely promise a better outcome.
Sister Golden Bear
@kindness:
That’s exactly why he said it. Edge lord gotta edge lord. Plus I’m sure he thinks Swift needs raping.
trollhattan
Get your popcorn orders in soon.
Yes, that’s reporting from Fox.
trollhattan
@lollipopguild: They must also hold land and gold. Real gold!
Suzanne
@Belafon: Yeah, exactly. The generations are getting less white.
Hoodie
@Kay: They seem to be in auto-destruct mode. There’s this ill-conceived open misogyny. Now Trump and Vance are hating on Haitians and and Venezuelans, including Steven Miller yelling at a reporter who was asking why they believe crime statistics from the Maduro government. I can tell you from personal contacts with ex-Venezuelans that the main reason they left was rampant crime and disorder. I do wonder how all those Venezuelan and Haitian refugees in Florida are going to view such things. Florida isn’t being heavily polled, but a recent poll showed Trump with a 2-point lead. If Trump loses Florida, we’re talking EC wipeout.
Shalimar
Elon lies so casually. He isn’t even guarding his own life with his life. He has a huge team of bodyguards for that. He doesn’t even go to the bathroom alone.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@Burnspbesq:
How about one of Zevon’s other songs,
“Mr. Bad Example”?
It’s got a hummable tune…
Kay
@BR:
I think blaming women is valid thing to say in terms of minority representation in a democracy. Women aren’t a minority and so (unlike minorities like Black people) they have the numbers to stop someone like Trump. But where it falls down is on the level of individual women, because individual women don’t have any control over what “a majority” of women do and obviously it’s unfair to say to women who vote for Democrats “oh, well, tough luck for you, if a majority of your gender voted your way you could have rights”
It just isn’t a useful approach UNLESS it’s intended to mean “tough luck” or “stop complaining”.
I’m not actually responsible for GOP white women. I don’t have any control over what they do and I’m not one, so directing it to me isn’t relevant.
ArchTeryx
@Kay: It’s not a scolding. Just a political fact. Women voters in the U.S. have enormous power as a voting bloc but too often refuse to use it in order to to indulge their bigotries. Dobbs forced them to choose a side: The anti-women fascists, or Democrats. Ultimately, they have agency in the voting booth. They want to vote in Republicans, they shouldn’t be surprised when they get what they voted for. Black women DO vote as a bloc for Democrats, and they are getting increasing influence in the party as a result. But they can’t keep the fascists choads out alone. Not when a majority of white women vote R.
Kay
@BR:
It doesn’t even make sense in terms of persuasion. If women can’t demand rights or talk about sexism UNLESS a majority of white women vote for Democrats then how will a majority of white women voting for Democrats ever come about? Because I can’t find any practical use for it I have to conclude it’s about saying “tough luck” or “don’t complain”.
The Thin Black Duke
@Suzanne: So basically until enough white people challenge white supremacist belief systems in this country, nothing will change.
prostratedragon
Interview with a Haitian community worker in Springfield, OH. Both general facts about the community and the current mishegas spinning out of the bus crash are discussed.
jonas
@Hoodie: Well, the Haitian and Venezuelan refugees in FL can’t technically vote, so even if they’re hurt and pissed at what Trump is saying, they can’t really do much. The question is whether the Cuban or Puerto Rican population there sees the newcomers as worthy of the same kind of support or sympathy they received when they had to flee to the mainland and think Trump or Vance are full of shit.
That’s not necessarily a given.
BR
Walz and Harris have separate campaign rallies today — here are livestream links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czI_HUmt7to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ryn5DSGbmY
Suzanne
@Kay:
What’s more, I very intentionally no longer have the kind of relationship with any GOP white women in which it would be acceptable to talk about politics. I screen people. (It’s fucking great, y’all should try it.)
But, again…. it’s also not just white women’s responsibility to come and get each other. Dudes can do it, too!
trollhattan
@a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio):
For Trump I can’t top Excitable Boy.
jonas
Fixed for our friends at Fox.
Suzanne
@The Thin Black Duke:
Yes, exactly.
The good news is that the country is getting less white!
hueyplong
@Kay: Agree.
I’m not actually responsible for GOP white men or, for that matter, incels. And I have experienced a half century of complete inability to influence them.
Because I share scorn of them I try to interpret comments about them as not being directed to, at, or near me.
HumboldtBlue
This New Yorker cover sums up Harris’s ass whooping of Trump pretty well.
Kay
@ArchTeryx:
But who does this persuade? It’s just “nah nah, guess you got what you deserved”. I don’t agree that women who vote for Democrats deserved it. I think they’re doing everything they can as individuals and therefore should have basic civil and human rights, whether a majority of white women vote their way or not. I don’t care if I’m THE ONLY white woman voting for civil and political rights. I still deserve them.
Sister Golden Bear
@geg6: I dunno, Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner might want to have a few… words.
The Thin Black Duke
Your proposal is acceptable.
Pappenheimer
@Chris: There was a comment back in the early 90’s, I think, that Bill Gates was “just one white Persian cat away….”
Kay
@hueyplong:
As I said it’s perfectly valid in the context of rights, because minority rights ARE different. Black people, by themselves, could not effect political change thru elections because there simply are not enough of them. That’s not true for women. We’re actually a majority. But as to ME that doesn’t matter, because I need basic human and civil rights regardless of whether 51% of white women vote for Democrats or 49% of white women vote for Democrats. So I do what I did, which is join a political party that is a coalition and put together a majority that way- but it won’t be a majority of my demographic.
Kent
There was another local GOPer in the primary who was slightly less MAGA but she got crushed by Kent on name recognition alone since she was from Camas, a small affluent town in the southern corner of the district and none of the red heartland parts of the district knew who she was.
WA has a jungle primary and there wasn’t anyone else who was going to break into the top 2 against Marie Perez and Joe Kent.
Gin & Tonic
Three employees of the ICRC were killed today in eastern Ukraine. The ICRC statement said “Three of our staff members were killed today when shelling hit the site of a planned frontline aid distribution center.” Couldn’t even bring themselves to say “russian shelling.”
Total, abject moral cowardice. Anyone who donates to them is a fool.
Kent
A pretty high percentage of the Haitian diaspora in the US are actually US citizens. Something north of 65% which is higher than just about any other group except Cubans.
Hoodie
@jonas: There are still significant numbers of voters from both groups and IIRC the GOP had previously been making inroads with them.
Suzanne
@The Thin Black Duke: I will note that men of every race vote Republican at a higher rate than women of that same race. So, like, lots of douchebag men are out there.
Kent
Exactly. No one seems to be questioning Elon’s right to go full MAGA.
John S.
@Gin & Tonic:
Passive voice is annoying at best, but ridiculous and infuriating at worst.
HumboldtBlue
Aziz, light!
I’m hopeful that Musk will save the human race by being the first person to start a permanent settlement on Mars.
(People who are not gullible futurists understand why it’s a death sentence.)
BR
@Kay:
I guess I agree? But I’m not sure if you are responding to what I wrote or something else…
Belafon
@Suzanne: I feel that the entire argument here is over the word “should.” It would be nice if a lot of us whites would get our heads out or butts and think about our choices, but they enjoy their racism. For example, one of my cousins, who is childless and showed up to our grandmother’s funeral drunk a while back forwarded a meme on Facebook that went something like “A mature woman is an asset, an immature girl is a bill” (I don’t remember the exact wording). And then she posted last night a meme that said “She’s not speaking for me,” referring to Harris at the debate.
Edit: To finish my thought, she’s constantly posting memes about people and I am constantly in there refuting them. She just likes being the way she is.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Suzanne: The election of Trump was, of course, also the defeat of Hilary Clinton. That drove home to me how strong misogyny is.
prostratedragon
@TBone:
City Hall and perhaps some Clark County facilities have been evacuated. Likely FBI are now on it.
John S.
@Suzanne:
I’m a straight white man who just turned 47. Never voted for a Republican in my entire life. Unfortunately, I am in the extreme minority. 😔
Kent
I think Perez has plenty of money this cycle, probably more than the GOP.
Candidate quality matters. Marie Perez is light years better than the Dem candidate who ran in this district in 2018 and 2020. And she is actually from the district and not a recent transplant from Portland. Which might fly in Vancouver but not the vast rural parts of the district.
In the OR 5th, hopefully Bynum will be a better candidate than Jamie McLeod-Skinner in 2022 who was a bad candidate and ran a bad campaign.
SatanicPanic
@Aziz, light!: Harris should offer him a charter giving him full, exclusive rights to any and all resources or wealth that can be generated on Mars on the condition that he move there permanently.
BigJimSlade
@mrmoshpotato: If either of them punch him in the face and hurt their hand, I would love to hear them say how “some people hurt their hands punching a wall, but I chose to punch something far dumber than a wall.”
TBone
My, my, my how the tables have turned. Tankie front pager is now soliciting his viewership for feel-good “helper” videos of positive actions by regular people.
FDRLincoln
Saw someone driving an Incel Camino on the way to work today.
I had an urge to ram it with my 2005 Buick LaCrosse.
But that would be a waste of a good LaCrosse. It may have 175,000 miles on it, and the AC isn’t working, but I will drive my old Buick into the ground before buying a Tesla.
The only good thing you can say about Elon Musk is that he probably smells better than Donald Trump. Probably.
trollhattan
@HumboldtBlue: Yass!
Chris
@Pappenheimer:
Ha!
Belafon
@John S.: We’re not in an extreme minority (I’m 54, and have always voted for Democrats), just one that is going to remain a minority until we can blow up the white power base of the Republican party.
trollhattan
@John S.: Mistakes were made.
Kent
It is astonishing to me how far Elon has fallen in pubic esteem in the past 5 years. Should be a very good object lesson for other business types who are thinking of dabbling in extremist politics.
John S.
@Belafon:
I’m not sure how we do that. I find that Gen-X white guys lean very conservative, and despite my best efforts, I haven’t been very successful in convincing many of them to see the error of their ways.
Thylacine
@Kent: public, too.
jonas
@Kent: I’m aware a lot are — Haitian immigration has a long history. I was talking about arrivals in the most recent migration wave at the southern border.
ArchTeryx
@Kay: That’s never what I said. I should have added I have a huge amount of sympathy for women who have the sense not to cut their own throats, but end up with a knife held to them anyway. My scorn is reserved for those who vote white supremacy over everything else, including control over their own bodies. And the bootlickers who figure they’d do well as Wives or Aunts in Gilead.
If not for them, we’d never have had Trump to begin with. He’d have lost in 2016.
Geminid
@Kent: Janelle Bynum has an interesting (to me) biography. She was born Janelle Sojourner Irick in Wsshington, D.C. and earned a degree in Electrical at Florida A&M. Bynum went to work for GM and earned an MBA at the U. of Michigan.
Bynum was working in Japan in the early 2000s when she moved to Oregon to help manage her mother-in-law’s McDonalds franchises. Bynum later ran for the state legislature, and she has beaten her current opponent, Rep. Chavez-DeRemer, twice in elections for State Representative.
KatKapCC
@TBone: What are you talking about?
zhena gogolia
@KatKapCC: I was wondering that too. Do we have tankie frontpagers?
KatKapCC
@zhena gogolia: I highly doubt it!
catclub
Of course, Clinton got a majority of votes nationwide, so the defeat was thanks to the Electoral College setup
of our so-called democracy, as well. Not just misogyny.
sdhays
@HumboldtBlue: Oh, my!
“Women are much more susceptible to propaganda than men are.”
Umm, your GUY literally believes anything he sees on the TeeVee. Your woman hating VP nominee stumbles around citing random Facebook pages as proof of extraterrestrials (or whatever). That’s literally being 100% “susceptible to propaganda”. And these are “the best of you”!
scav
@Burnspbesq: No two-bit advertising tourist trap deserves to be associated with Zevon’s name.
Kent
OK, but all the Haitians in places like Springfield and most of them in places like South Florida are legal immigrants and the majority are citizens. The first waves came long ago in the 1990s and many more came as legal “parolees” after the big earthquake.
Belafon
@Kent: I think the only answer is to keep them out of power long enough that they realize including minorities is their only out. But they can’t just try to get their votes. Their party needs to become reflective of the country.
For the rest of you reading, I’m sorry my fellow white men are jerks or worse, but you’re just going to have to work through them and around them for a while.
SpaceUnit
@John S.:
You’re not as alone as you think.
prostratedragon
Yamiche Alcindor Springfield segment.
Chef Marcus Samuelsson visits Haitian-American community in Miami. From 2018. 1 hour.
HumboldtBlue
Folks are FIRED UP in North Carolina!!!!
Belafon
@Kent: Does anyone have a good idea of what is actually happening in Springfield? Was there a sudden recent influx of additional Haitian immigrants that Republicans are making a big deal about, or is it just those that have been there since the 90s, that I know have been working and actually helping the town, and Republicans are doing the “brown skin bad” thing again?
oldgold
This afternoon, Trump while claiming he won Tuesday night’s debate has announced on Truth Social:
“THERE WILL BE NO THIRD DEBATE!”
Another Scott
ICYMI, Roger Parloff (from Lawfare) from September 10 (a short thread):
Forward!!
Cheers,
Scott.
Frankensteinbeck
@Belafon:
I wish this surprised me, but the backlash of misogyny and surge of toxic masculinity I witnessed growing up in the 80s was sharp.
Kirk
@John S.: I’ve mentioned before, but in 2016 I was talking about the election with a few middle aged black men when one said, “I don’t think this nation’s ready for a female president. She won’t be able to deal with the issues.”
It was one more brick in my stand that the nation is more misogynist than racist. The racism is obvious to anyone looking, but the misogyny is broader and more deeply ingrained.
Chris
@Frankensteinbeck:
Generation X sometimes feels like they’re right in that unsweet spot where the communitarian ethos of the New Deal movement had been exploded, but the tolerant ethos of the civil rights movement had yet to sink in.
zhena gogolia
@HumboldtBlue: She’s still got it!
TBone
@KatKapCC:
@zhena gogolia:
Completely different website I check in on. I wouldn’t call any front pager at BJ a tankie, would you?
prostratedragon
@Belafon: For this town specifically, there has been a lot of recent — post-earthquake and assassination turmoil — immigration, fueled by word-of-mouth about job and housing opportunities. These are generally working people. Dark-skinned working people.
KatKapCC
@TBone: No, but by not mentioning the website, or at least saying “on another site”, the obvious inference most people would make is that you are talking about this site.
Chris
@TBone:
I’m very comfortable calling Zaid Jilani a tankie, yeah. But he hasn’t been a front-pager here for ten years, and that didn’t last very long, so…
schrodingers_cat
@Chris: What about boring Freddie? Was he a tankie? I don’t remember.
Kent
No recent influx. It was just a far right Nazi shitposter who was making things up (i.e. lying) about the whole thing and it went viral with JD Vance picking it up.
Kent
@Another Scott: It doesn’t really even matter if Cannon is reversed and the case is reinstated. It did the desired thing which was to push the trial off to mid 2025 at the earliest.
John S.
@Kirk:
I would have to agree. Racism is far less tolerated than sexism these days, even though both are way more prevalent than decent folk would like.
Chris
@schrodingers_cat:
I don’t remember either.
Gretchen
@Geminid: there are lots of Poles and Ukrainians in the Detroit area too. When I was growing up there was a whole city there with Polish newspapers and churches, clerks at the grocery store spoke Polish, even Polish scouts for the kids.
Kent
Most tolerated of all today in 2024 is anti-immigrant and anti-trans prejudice. Which are both being hit hard by the GOP.
There are both racist and sexist elements involved with those. The anti-immigrant bashing is really just racism in disguise (well, not very disguised)
zhena gogolia
@schrodingers_cat: I don’t think he quite qualified as a tankie.
japa21
@HumboldtBlue: Must have cost the campaign a lot to bus in all those people.
ETA. She can’t get a word in edgewise with all the yelling.
TBone
@Chris: waaay before my time here at BJ.
TBone
Just watched VP Harris’s speech in NC. Ahmazing!
Chris
@Kent:
As a few people will point out from time to time in this debate, there is to this day a non-trivial number of Irish immigrants coming in to the East Coast, especially Boston, illegally. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody nationally seems to be aware that it’s even happening, and if they do, they don’t seem to think it’s a concern. It’s not as though the Irish are a population with zero history of crime, terrorism, or other violent misbehavior. But everybody, in both the rabid anti-immigrant community and among “I am not a racist, but” respectable useful idiots, seems to think it’s all good.
Compare and contrast the reaction to Haitians, Syrians, Central Americans… and it kind of gives the game away.
(Semi-OT: kudos to Boondock Saints for being the only work of pop culture I’m aware of that even acknowledges that this is a still a thing, yes, in this day and age, not just a relic of the Gangs of New York era).
lowtechcyclist
@Jeffro:
Why on earth is anyone still publishing George Fucking Will? He hasn’t written anything worth reading in decades.
Montanareddog
@zhena gogolia:
Dead thread – but we do have a tanker frontpager!
JML
@lowtechcyclist: seriously. even Will’s baseball writing is shit.
SomeRandomGuy
@geg6: I’m sure his estate has plenty of Lawyers Guns and Money to carry the battle on for him.
(More seriously: I didn’t even think to check his mortality state, I was just curious about “song author” vs “performing artist,” having known a theater geek who explained how complicated things can get. That said: rest well, Zeev.)
@frosty: Well, in the video, those young girls who won’t let him be would be his accusers :-). Maybe we can get that lady comedian who lip syncs him, to pretend to sing the song, and get a tired, grainy, somewhat slurred, atonal, voice to get the vocals.
I wonder if Bob Dylan would be willing to take the right drugs….
Betty Cracker
@Kevin: Thank you, sweetie! :-)
Manyakitty
@SomeRandomGuy: written by Warren Zevon