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Walz and Harris Live: Open Thread

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I’m getting absolutely nothing done. Could someone please find my motivation and return it to me. kthnx

First up Tim Walz:

 

And then, a bit later, Kamala Harris:

If those audios are bad (they were yesterday) the campaign website has the feeds, too. Here: Harris,

and Walz here

This is an open thread

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  3. 3.

    trollhattan

    @rikyrah:

    So much of California is federal land it’s hard to envision how he could refuse to protect…federal land here.

    Multi-agency response is standard for large blazes regardless of where they occur–the lead agency is determined by location.

    Donny, he so funny.

  5. 5.

    BR

    Walz is such a good wingman — you can tell he really means it when he’s speaking about Harris and the campaign.

  6. 6.

    BR

    @rikyrah: ​

    I’m torn on this — it’s horrific and yet this is exactly what Trump was expected to do, say things horrific after his debate loss to get control of the media again. It’ll be worse if he wins. I don’t think there’s any point in Harris or Walz or Biden going to Ohio on this — they need to spend every minute in swing states. If anything Sherrod Brown can do his events around the contrast.

  7. 7.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @rikyrah:

    I stupidly clicked on the link and watched the brief video. Does TCFFG actually think (yeah, I know) that the CA Gov’s name is “Newscomb,” or is that mispronunciation meant to be one of his tiresome nicknames for his political rivals?

  8. 8.

    Anonymous At Work

    TFG is claiming he’d never sell his shares, not a single one, under any condition.  Shares up tremendously.

    HOWEVER, if TFG does now sell his shares, wouldn’t that be stock manipulation and insider trading type legal issues?

  9. 9.

    Jeffro

    @rikyrah: I just saw that tweet/clip…glad to see that Harris/Walz ’24 is already making the most of it!

    I just wanna say “do you GET IT YET, American voters, businesses, and investors?  It could be you, your community, your business, your media outlet, your state that’s in need of assistance NEXT!  This guy could easily, EASILY crash the stock market and send your retirement funds plummeting.  He could deny aid to your state after a hurricane wipes it out.”

    That’s how it works with fascism.  There’s no way to enjoy being rich, or in a ‘red’ state’, or a CEO, or any of it…you’ll live and die by a madman’s whim.

    Or you could shut up, do the right thing, and enjoy all the benefits of living in a rich, free, multiracial democracy that’s the envy of the world.

  11. 11.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    @SiubhanDuinne: I clicked it too. I’m not going to bother searching for more details [what papers is he even talking about?]

    This is just more typical Trump. Why should he care what happens to California? We’re not going to vote for him.

  13. 13.

    like a metaphor

    @rikyrah: I thought the whole point of the government eavesdropping on every phone call in America (Total Information Awareness, or whatever the Bush administration called it) was allegedly to protect us from terrorists.  So why do so many white supremacists get away with bomb threats and death threats towards people they disagree with?

  14. 14.

    trollhattan

    The two-headed dog barks more, today, now with added HIV.

    Donald Trump used increasingly harsh rhetoric Friday in describing Haitian migrants in Ohio, saying they’re “destroying their way of life” and threatened mass deportations, Politico reports.

    Said Trump: “Illegal Haitian migrants have descended upon a town of 58,000 people, destroying their way of life.”

    Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH) “doubled down on debunked claims about Haitian immigrants abducting pets to eat them and falsely linked the migrant community to rising rates of HIV and tuberculosis in Springfield, Ohio,” the Advocate reports.

    “We’ve really got something gold with this cat-dog thing, let’s keep at it!” is not the most surprising campaign move of the week.

  16. 16.

    MattF

    Re: TFG’s promise not to sell shares in his little money-sink social media company. He’s lying. He needs the cash. Presumably, shell corporations are being set up to conceal any sales at this very moment.

  18. 18.

    MisterForkbeard

    @trollhattan: Why can’t news media just say these guys are lying about minorities to juice their election chances?

    That’s it! That’s all they have to say. “Trump is putting a bunch of black folks under huge threat, with lies that intended to help his campaign while putting citizens in direct danger”

  19. 19.

    KatKapCC

    @SiubhanDuinne: As another noted, it’s “Newscum”, Trump’s dumbass nickname for him. A reporter actually asked Newsom about it at a Q&A on homelessness recently and he brushed it off as sounding like the names kids in junior high called him, and said something like “That’s what a manchild says when he’s desperate for attention”. YUP.

  20. 20.

    The Audacity of Krope

    @MisterForkbeard: Why can’t news media just say these guys are lying about minorities to juice their election chances?

    The media can’t just come out and say the truth, that would be a betrayal of their responsibility to speculate.

  22. 22.

    Jackie

    JFC!!!

    Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH) “doubled down on debunked claims about Haitian immigrants abducting pets to eat them and falsely linked the migrant community to rising rates of HIV and tuberculosis in Springfield, Ohio,” the Advocate reports.

    And… The Mayor of Springfield has had enough:

    The mayor of the Ohio city at the center of a firestorm over immigration says that his town needs help — not the hate that has been stirred by politicians and extremists,” the New York Times reports.

    Said Mayor Rob Rue (R): “We are hurting.”

    He added: “It’s frustrating when national politicians, on the national stage, mischaracterize what is actually going on and misrepresent our community.”

    A LOT of Ohio republicans and independents won’t be voting for TCFG or JV, and hopefully not Moreno.

  24. 24.

    West of the Rockies

    I’m heartened by the fact that it’s truly just one disaster, ding, and disappointment after another for Trump/Vance:  the debate, the Swift endorsement, his Tucson failure rally in the news,the certain Beyonce endorsement on the horizon…

    I think Trump has almost reached the event horizon of his campaign: he is too close to collapse to regain momentum.

  25. 25.

    delphinium

    @Jackie: C’mon Mayor Rue, I know you’re a Republican but say their names: Trump and Vance. And keep saying it.

    Said Mayor Rob Rue (R): “We are hurting.”

    He added: “It’s frustrating when national politicians, on the national stage…”

  27. 27.

    cain

    @rikyrah: That will only make it worse. It’ll turn into a complete circus.

    No, they need to lean on DeWine and tell him to get this situation under control.

    DeWine should slap the shit out of JD Vance for instigating right wing violence on his own constituents.

  31. 31.

    Scout211

    @West of the Rockies: Cool, gross Donald, piss off your rural California voters.

    Ha! I don’t know about other counties here, but the Trump voters in my rural, very red California county hate, hate, hate Governor Newsom and would love for Donald Trump to punish him in any way possible.  They don’t care (or probably don’t even understand) that if that Trump did that it could hurt California’s fire response.  They just care about hurting Newsom and would never be pissed off at Trump.

  33. 33.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @Jackie:

    Said Mayor Rob Rue (R): “We are hurting.”

    He added: “It’s frustrating when national politicians, on the national stage, mischaracterize what is actually going on and misrepresent our community.”

    But the Republican mayor simply cannot bring himself to NAME FUCKING NAMES. It’s not “national politicians” you fucking muppet. It’s TRUMP and VANCE.

    Call them out

     

    ETA: I see that delphinium, and possibly others, got there first.

  34. 34.

    delphinium

    @cain: Agree, this is a Republican problem and they need to start speaking up much more forcefully against this absolutely abhorrent behavior. It is terrible for the folks in Ohio who have to deal with this but Democrats can’t keep being expected to take responsibility for the Republicans actions.

  36. 36.

    Jackie

    @cain:

    Springfield is largely republican. It must blow their mind that the leopards are now eating their faces.

    I doubly hope Springfield and their Congressional District vote BLUE.

    And, I hope no innocent lives have to be murdered to make voters go Blue!

    And, yes, the governor needs to step up and address TCFG and JD BY NAME and tell them to cease and desist on FOX News and Newsmax.

  37. 37.

    KatKapCC

    @Scout211: Assuming she wins, I wonder how they’ll shift their rhetoric when Kounalakis takes over. Probably just change the pronouns and keep the same insults and bullshit attacks. And I doubt they’ll give a darn about having our first woman governor.

  38. 38.

    karen gail

    As bad as Trump is Vance keeps making it worse; what should worry or scare people is that by voting for Trump they are actually voting for Vance. How long after Trump takes the oath of office (should he win, heaven help us all) would he be declared incompetent or have a fatal accident? (falling out window, poison in his drink, falling down stairs.)

    Vance keeps showing people who he is, what he is; people need to believe that they are only seeing the tip of rot.

  39. 39.

    karen gail

    A vote for Trump, is a vote for Vance; how long after Trump takes oath of office will Vance and crew wait until they take over?

  48. 48.

    pacem appellant

    Covid and Flu vaccine blahs are kicking in. I got both at 8:15 am PDT. It’s about 3 pm now. Getting the telltale headache that I usually get with the vaccine. Time to log off and head for the bath!

  50. 50.

    trollhattan

    @Ruckus: Trump gets more California votes than any other state. No wonder he hates us.

    It’s like Elmo declaring “last straw” and pulling all his HQs. We buy more Teslas than anywhere; we’re infested with the things we hate him so much.

  52. 52.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Jeffro:

    I just wanna say “do you GET IT YET, American voters, businesses, and investors?  It could be you, your community, your business, your media outlet, your state that’s in need of assistance NEXT!  This guy could easily, EASILY crash the stock market and send your retirement funds plummeting.  He could deny aid to your state after a hurricane wipes it out.”

    The trouble is, if they think he has a decent chance of winning, their response is likely to be “gee, I’d better suck up to him really hard just in case.”

  54. 54.

    Ruckus

    @Anonymous At Work:

    SFB won’t be able to sell his shares for enough to help him as much as he’ll need, but he’ll beg his supporters for a big handout, which will show the one’s actually looking how much he’s really worth. It might backfire on him… He’s worked himself into a hole that really doesn’t have a a lot of possibilities to fix. Sure he’s likely get a bit of money/help from the hardcore but will it be enough to do him enough good, especially given his great record of fixing anything.

    He’s in a hole and really he’s got very little concept of how to do what’s necessary to get out, which is how he got in it in the first place. He wasn’t all that sharp when he wasn’t sinking his own ship and he hasn’t gained one iota of smarts since he started.

  57. 57.

    Matt McIrvin

    @karen gail: Like I said, I heard people saying Dick Cheney was about to have Bush whacked all through the early 2000s, AND that Kamala Harris was going to have Biden whacked in 2020-21.

    I’m not sure that kind of pitch works, whether it’s a reasonable prediction or not.

    But I do think Vance figures he can get his wish list whether or not Trump is in there; on hate-mongering they’re Tweedledum and Tweedledee, and in fact I think Vance is deliberately imitating Trump. So it’s all the same really.

  58. 58.

    Scout211

    Republican Congressman Mark Green  has filed for divorce from his wife of 35 years after having an affair, according to a dispatch from his wife.

    In a note obtained by the Banner, Camilla Green accuses her husband of having an affair with a 32-year-old woman after being corrupted by his time in Congress, warning that his peers may become “intoxicated with power and adoration.”

    “He is living life greatly deceived.  I have offered reconciliation, and he wants nothing of it and has insisted on a divorce. Satan has rewritten our marriage in his mind,” she wrote. Multiple sources tell the Banner that the letter was sent to members of Congress.

    Satan has entered the chat. Seems about right for red state Republican congress members.

  59. 59.

    Anonymous At Work

    @Ruckus: More narrow and legal issue.  Primarily, has he locked up his shares under Federal Securities laws against insider trading  as a criminal matter for taking a public position like he did?  Second, would it give rise to a cause of action as a matter of civil law?

    So, did he just turn his stock-based wealth into a fund for the attorneys needed to defend him from fraudulent stock trading?

  61. 61.

    Another Scott

    @Chief Oshkosh: Some are speaking out.

    SpringfieldNewsSun.com:

    […]

    Pastor Carl Ruby of Central Christian Church gave thanks that the unified Springfield clergy from all areas of the city were past the days of Martin Luther King Jr.’s 1963 Letter from a Birmingham Jail, where King had to plead with moderate white ministers to see the justice of the civil rights movement.

    Ruby cited more than a half dozen Bible references of Moses, King David, Jesus and others calling for acceptance of foreigners, at the most basic level with, “Love your neighbor as yourself. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

    He called on the Joe Biden/Kamala Harris Democratic administration to send federal resources, and he called on Republican candidates Donald Trump and JD Vance to “stop spreading falsehoods and bearing false witness against our Haitian neighbors.”

    “Help us make Springfield great again,” Ruby said. “… Ronald Reagan said ‘Our nation is a nation of immigrants. More than any other country, our strength comes from our own immigrant heritage and capacity to welcome those from other lands.’ ”

    +1

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  62. 62.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    @Jeffro:

    I just wanna say “do you GET IT YET, American voters, businesses, and investors? It could be you, your community, your business, your media outlet, your state

    As we all know, Pastor Martin Niemöller already answered how this kind of defective thinking works.

    The lunacy involved is obvious to a detached, neutral observer, but this sort of behavior is common enough that I wonder if there is some sort of deep seated atavistic predator-prey reaction kicking in when humans are faced with it. An instinct to stick with the herd, because while the lion will almost certainly catch and eat one of us, it can’t catch & eat the whole herd all at once – so if I stick with the rest of the antelopes then I’m probably safe, at least for now.

  63. 63.

    Jackie

    @Msb: I saw that on the news yesterday. One of them started all this shit by making a speech at a city council meeting (or something) accusing the Haitians of this BS. He was booted out of the meeting, but he posted it on social media and… Lunatic Loomer saw it and here we are.

  67. 67.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Matt McIrvin: The top item on Vance’s wish list is Vance becoming president. But he (probably) doesn’t have anything nefarious planned for Trump, I assume he’s betting that before the term is out Trump will either drop dead, or become so incapacitated that even the cultists will go along with forcing Trump aside.

  68. 68.

    artem1s

    @cain: ​ 

    DeWine should slap the shit out of JD Vance for instigating right wing violence on his own constituents.

    evidently you have not met Mike DeWine. He has no spine. He bows to the worst conservatives in the state slightest whim. He’s under the thumb of the Catholic Diocese of Ohio. He can’t be pressured to do what’s right because he only knows how to do whats completely wrong for the people of Ohio. He is craven and bereft of any humanity.

  69. 69.

    FDRLincoln

    Just got updated covid vaccine. Wife has to wait to November due to her MS medication messing with her immune system.

    Also, I hate Donald Trump.

    I love Kamala Harris.

  70. 70.

    Baud

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Murder is probably not a good prediction, but natural death is.

    I’m so old I remember when they were arguing that a vote for Biden was a vote for Harris.

  72. 72.

    Tony Jay

    @trollhattan:

      So much of California is federal land it’s hard to envision how he could refuse to protect…federal land here.

    Puts on red cap

    “California behaved unfairly by giving its votes, votes it owed me for doing so, so much for it, for California, so much. But they broke my star as well. Hollywood. Hollyweird, right? It’s no Bakersfield. It’s very sad, but they gave their votes to Democrats. Very sad.”

    Also, Federal lands belong to the President. What the President decides to do on or with or to his own property is his own business. It’s in the Constitution. Read it, Lib.

    I think that covers all the main questions raised. No charge.

  74. 74.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Baud: Well, in the 2024 primary, a vote for Biden was a vote for Harris. But I don’t think the people fretting about that were Democratic primary voters.

  76. 76.

    karen marie

    @SiubhanDuinne:   I just listened to it.  I think he’s mispronounced it/heard it mispronounced so many times, he’s forgotten the California governor’s name.  He’s completely lost in his fantasy world.

  77. 77.

    Fair Economist

    @trollhattan:

    We [CA] buy more Teslas than anywhere; we’re infested with the things we hate him so much.

    We’re working on it; Tesla sales are way down and dropping, even here in CA.

  78. 78.

    CaseyL

    @Tony Jay: ​

    Project 2025 also contains plans for selling off public land. Including national parks. You better believe a second Trump Admin will do that – proceeds, of course, to go to Trump and his cronies.

  79. 79.

    cain

    @Steve LaBonne:

    Yeah, but it seems Trump is putting pressure on the state legislature. Apparenlty some moderate GOP changed their stance and now doing acknowledging that Haitians are eating everything.

    Fucking wild.

    ETA – this is why you can’t trust a single GOP – even the so called moderates. They all fall in line.

  82. 82.

    prostratedragon

    @HumboldtBlue:
    Cute! I’ve been rewatching some old Midsomer Murders. Part of the sound design is a bit of tension wondering if that’s a human or a fox screaming.

  84. 84.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Jeffro:

    it’s spelled “Newscum”, if that helps. (I’m serious…that’s the official MAGA spelling)

    I didn’t know that, but I’m mightily unsurprised.

  85. 85.

    Tony Jay

    @CaseyL:

    And why not? Trump Inc has already pulled off a complete takeover of the Republican Party and its finances. Extending the principle of “Mine. Mine! Gimme! All mine!” to the entire country is perfectly in character.

    Fortunately, the smelly bloater is never going to be President again. He and Snowball are going to go down in flames.

  86. 86.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @KatKapCC:

    Good for Gavin. It must drive TCFFG utterly bonkers with rage and frustration when his targets refuse to react to his stupid insults.

  87. 87.

    Jay

    Steve Martin put out a challenge to the magats on the Dead Bird Site,

    He said anybody who believed the slur,

    Should go down to their nearest pond,

    Try to grab a goose and take it home,

    Then call him if they live.

  92. 92.

    TS

    @Anonymous At Work:

    wouldn’t that be stock manipulation and insider trading type legal issues?

    Not for trump – the rules are different for the old f..t – for anyone else it would be a crime – didn’t Martha Stewart go to jail for insider trading?

  94. 94.

    sdhays

    @Matt McIrvin: To be fair, Dick Cheney leading the VP candidate committee for the W campaign and deciding that he was the perfect choice was pretty hinky. But I never thought he was going to whack W. He was pretty effective at running W around by the nose for at least 6 years.

  95. 95.

    karen marie

    @artem1s:   You know DeWine well!

    Yeah, he’s a spineless little fuck.

    Reporters asked the governor if he was dismayed that the leader of his party, Individual-1, is repeating the unsubstantiated rumors …

    “Look, my job is to tell what the facts are and what we’re seeing and I rely, frankly, on Mayor [Rob] Rue, the other officials, and county officials,” DeWine responded. “Look, they’re the ones who are there, they’re the ones who know what’s going on.”

     

  96. 96.

    Ruckus

    @Fair Economist:

    E has always been a bit on the weird side but what he’s in trouble for now seems weird. It shouldn’t have been difficult to see that would be an issue, maybe he’s just such a pompous, arrogant human that I don’t expect much of anything proper from him so I’m not seeing what he’s doing now as much different.

  97. 97.

    BR

    Harris is still getting better every time at her rallies. Truly impressive — not something every candidate can do.

  98. 98.

    sconosciuto

    Pardon me if it’s been pointed out already but ABC doesn’t have a broadcast license to yank. Only the broadcast station affiliates that carry its programming are required to hold FCC licenses. Shouldn’t a publication that thinks of itself as “serious” know this?

     

    also… sounds like #cancelculture

  100. 100.

    RaflW

    OT, but I just saw that Novavax new formula is shipping to pharmacies now. BF and I had planned to get mRNA shots yesterday, but then he got a cold (classic sinus thingy, two negative covid tests) so we delayed.

    Now I’ll wait (carefully) just a little longer till nova Nova actually arrives in my area.

  101. 101.

    SectionH

    @Tony Jay: the only problem we have in San Diego is how long it takes – either way – to cross. FFS. We have walk across both ways, which if you can is fine, and then you can go… to srsly great restaurants in TJ and fly srsly cheap fares from Brown Field to places all over Mexico.
    What a horror…

    Driving, I dunno. Our friends who go to Baja a lot are pretty ok about it.

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