Substance over bluster.
Optimism over negativity.
And yes, a new generation over the same, old, tired show.
She crushed it tonight.
— Pete Buttigieg (@PeteButtigieg) September 11, 2024
Republicans should consider having Kevin McCarthy and Mitch McConnell tell Donald Trump that after his poor debate performance he should step down as the nominee for the sake of his party and country – the stakes are just too high! – instead of whining about the moderators.
— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) September 11, 2024
I want to make one thing super clear:
Not even the most obsequious Republican actually thinks Trump won that debate.
The same people who were on TV crowing about how great he did were privately praying he wouldn’t take their comments as encouragement to do another one.
— Angry Staffer ?? (@Angry_Staffer) September 12, 2024
Kamala Harris Scrambled Trump’s Brain – The plan worked even better than she seemed to imagine – New York Magazine https://t.co/ngVj5fyvlx
— Paul Mooney 慕亦仁 (@pjmooney) September 13, 2024
… Throughout the evening, the Harris campaign had a group of undecided voters in the battleground states reporting their feelings about what was happening onstage in real time. Such “dial testing” is standard practice, but campaigns don’t tend to share any details of how that testing is going if things aren’t going well. On abortion, Trump insisted Democrats were open to executing infants, claimed credit for overturning Roe, and refused to say whether he’d oppose a nationwide ban, while Harris spoke about women affected by the bans. David Plouffe, one of her senior-most advisers, revealed that there was a 40-point gap between the voters’ approval of the candidates’ answers during this exchange. “Widest gap I’ve ever seen in debate dials,” he said.
Only later did the Harris campaign’s private testing confirm one of the central underlying hypotheses of her candidacy: that Americans are tired of the Trump era, and want to believe a new political age is possible. The debate’s low point for these voters, according to the dials, was when Trump once again claimed to have won the 2020 race as part of a longer conspiratorial ramble. Its high point for Harris was when she replied to Trump’s spurious claim that she hadn’t always identified as Black by detailing his history of racism, such as calling for the execution of the Central Park Five, before ending on an up beat: “The American people want better than that. Want better than this.”
Ever since Harris became the presumptive Democratic nominee, Republicans have dismissed the excitement around her, saying there is a big difference between vibing with partisans and actually convincing voters. Once Harris’s poll numbers started to flatten out this month, it became obvious that this was a big part of her challenge: convincing this final decisive slice of the electorate that she’s up to the job of president and that she’s sufficiently different from Biden. In front of her biggest audience yet on Tuesday, Harris succeeded in making the case.
The real loser was Donald Trump, who was so traumatized by the experience he may need to bandage his ear https://t.co/3On1g1t7DG
— Andrew Fleischman (@ASFleischman) September 12, 2024
Presidential debate recap pic.twitter.com/i9QvCiLcVv
— 2RawTooReal (@2RawTooReal) September 11, 2024
Jennifer Rubin, at the Washington Post, “Harris excels. ABC does its job. Both were deadly for Trump”:
Vice President Kamala Harris demonstrated in Tuesday night’s presidential debate, in case any rational person had doubts, that she is the only decent, prepared and fit candidate in the presidential race. In both her answers and demeanor, she demonstrated the unmistakable contrast between a mature, responsible adult and someone who resembles the mean, crazy relative no one wants to sit next to at the holiday table.
When ABC News’s debate moderators, Linsey Davis and David Muir, opened the proceedings, she came out swinging, rattling off a list of her domestic proposals. She plainly had her ducks in a row, attacking Donald Trump for the largest trade deficit in history, for selling microchips to China and even for praising Chinese President Xi Jinping for his handling of the coronavirus. Trump was clearly rattled, resorting to lies about everything from his economic record to abortion.
Throughout, Harris remained calm and collected, not bothering to rebut every lie, and instead hitting Trump on the main issues — his favoritism toward the rich, his contempt for democracy and his weakness on national security…
Harris was properly aggressive throughout, launching into Trump’s criminal record, his inherited wealth and his weakness on foreign policy, citing his susceptibility to flattery from dictators. Again and again, she raised the number of his former aides who now show disdain for him. (“I have talked with military leaders, some of whom worked with you. And they say you’re a disgrace.”) Harris utterly flummoxed Trump by mocking his rally rhetoric as bizarre and tedious, noting that his followers leave early. That seemed to set Trump off, as he went on a tirade about having “the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics.”…
Some pundits before the debate set a flurry of tests that Harris supposedly had to pass: Could she appeal to independents, could she appear presidential, could she show mastery of policy details? Harris did all that and more, conveying an optimistic vision that offered a dramatic contrast with Trump’s apocalyptic rhetoric.
Disregard any post-debate analysis that says the confrontation won’t matter, won’t change any minds. Harris did superbly Tuesday, and it will make a difference. Fair-minded voters will notice.
Republicans think their voters are stupid and constantly insult their intelligence https://t.co/gJpQ9pzJtK
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 11, 2024
lol, this anecdote from @Timodc about his encounter with right-wing pundit Byron York in the spin room last night:https://t.co/1C4WQQVTQs pic.twitter.com/eKG017gqV5
— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) September 11, 2024
At her victory party
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) September 11, 2024
— AprilDRyan (@AprilDRyan) September 11, 2024
… Another question followed from Dr. Yusef Salaam, a Harlem, New York city councilman, as well as a member of the Exonerated Five. The group of four Black and one Latino boys at the time were wrongly imprisoned for the assault of a Central Park jogger. Trump took out a full page ad, calling for the death penalty. After years of imprisonment, the five men were released and found innocent due to DNA evidence. Trump has refused to apologize.
On Tuesday night, Salaam attempted to confront Trump.
“Mr. President I am a member of the Exonerated Five, Dr. Yusef Salaam,” said the city council member. Trump then replied, “Oh, are you with me?” Salaam replied flatly, “No!”
Salaam recounted the moment, saying Trump “put his hand up and walked away.” Before the debate, he told theGrio that being a Harris surrogate was a full-circle moment for him…
We are so back, the crypto-Republicans are complaining about the umpire pic.twitter.com/X4BHadiylZ
— Swann Marcus (@SwannMarcus89) September 11, 2024
Bro the entire night was cathartic for many many black people
MVP was able to publicly drag this monster and show how society props up mediocre white men at every turn.
We are always underestimated and MVP truly showed what black excellence looks like
I am beyond proud of MVP pic.twitter.com/DTn7hICbJe
— NR_Garrett (@NR_Garrett) September 11, 2024
Y'all, the politics desk at the Times is going through some things this morning. I'm sure Ken and Glenn and Annie are asking Jonathan and Maggie what they should do if Trump loses and they can't cash those book deals they expected to land. ?? https://t.co/d8TD3CRDOr
— scary lawyerguy (@scarylawyerguy) September 11, 2024
Sure grandma let's get you to bed pic.twitter.com/t7i8DXbpLY
— Roy Edroso (@edroso) September 12, 2024
Charlie Warzel, at the Atlantic, on “Kamala Harris’s Secret Weapon”:
… Harris is the first candidate in a primary or general election to embody what feels like a “post-Trump” ethos. In other words, she’s the first person to run against the former president who does not treat him as the center of the U.S. political solar system. Rather than cave to his gravitational, attentional pull, Harris offers a different version of Trump: He’s not the sun; he’s the guy who has overstayed his welcome at a party…
Harris was able to reckon with the darker elements of a Trump presidency while also seizing on the fundamental absurdity of Trump as a candidate—usually with her expressions and body language. Instead of getting baited into Trump tangents—childishly arguing over golf prowess, for example, as Biden did—she treated his digressions as unserious or unworthy. Harris’s facial expressions last night made for easy memes and screenshots, but they’re also of a piece with Democrats’ most salient line of attack—that Republicans are “weird” and enmeshed in an extremely online far-right universe of alternative facts. The weird critique has stuck for Harris and her running mate, Tim Walz, precisely because it is dismissive of Republican talking points. Instead of pearl-clutching, it presents the MAGA arm of the party as lost and out of touch. Harris’s incredulous split-screen looks during last night’s debate were, essentially, the visual embodiment of that critique. Her constant baiting throughout the night—calling Trump a disgrace and needling him about the size of his rallies—successfully lured Trump into long tangents that are legible only to those steeped in an extended universe of right-wing viral grievance.
It’s unclear just how much presidential debates matter, even in close elections, though some evidence suggests that they don’t change many voters’ minds. Regardless, Harris’s performance managed to cast Trump as a dusty old artifact—a massive paradigm shift, as Trump has so thoroughly saturated our collective attention that he can feel like an immovable object. Trumpism’s shock-and-awe approach—the trolling, dog whistling, and constant memes and tweets—has been absurd and threatening since the real-estate mogul rode down his golden escalator in 2015. But it has also often felt ascendant—the early stages of a cynical, frequently cruel, often internet-powered faux-populist political project. What Harris’s campaign and debate style propose, however, is a different view of Trump, not as the central figure in American politics but as a vestigial element of a movement that’s so curdled by grievance and enmeshed in an alternate reality that it is becoming not just culturally irrelevant, but something far worse: pitiable.
Remember, even *before* the debate…
it's not fair or democratic for a candidate voters are much more excited about to run https://t.co/B9y2u3IZ2b
— Robert Evans (The Only Robert Evans) (@IwriteOK) August 3, 2024
That's the best reason to do this debate at all https://t.co/07btgttz0q
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) August 27, 2024
These are the most telling moments. He’s not only unsure how to react. He’s unable to evaluate the terrain or even understand what’s happening or where he is.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) August 26, 2024
2/ that he was unprepared for her elevation and at a minimum worried about facing her in a debate. He basically told on himself, and told her potential supporters that she was for real. It was a big deal.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) August 26, 2024
The pundits wanted this debate to be about nitpicking VP Harris and finding ways to say she didn't have a good debate. And that's what makes the shellacking that she gave Trump all the more impressive. https://t.co/TmFJKwQRr7
— DFW Sports 4Life (@Kennymack1971) September 11, 2024
War for Ukraine Day 935: Russia Bombarded Kharkiv with Glide Bombs Again Today
Suzanne
His “I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT!” Tweet is launching a thousand memes.
Villago Delenda Est
Kamala’s split screen reactions to TCFFG/PAB’s verbal diarrhea we just priceless.
lamh47
This muthaphucka!
This shit from Elon should be getting a damn visit from Secret Service or FBI!
https://x.com/BMeiselas/status/1835483332844671305
The Audacity of Krope
I’m glad I caught the debate in the end. ABC actually demonstrated a degree of substantive debate and Harris shine like a star.
Chet Murthy
If there”s one cartoonist who knows how to draw TCFG and more generally to draw these times, it’s Ann Telnaes.
piratedan
have to hand it to the Trump campaign, hardly anyone is calling for him to step aside after a horrific debate performance.
Jackie
Last evening, President Biden and MVP Harris attended the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation’s Phoenix Awards Dinner in Washington.
MVP was stunning in a shimmering indigo blue gown. I only saw a brief snip shown on the teevee taken while she was delivering a speech.
The WaPo link has a pic of her at the podium.
gift link https://wapo.st/3zgHi1T
MVP sure cleans up good!
MagdaInBlack
@lamh47: DogeDesigner is Elon too. As if he weren’t already weird enough.
Ishiyama
Emptywheel had a really good essay on the rhetorical task Kamala faced:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/09/15/how-kamala-harris-dodged-the-two-truths-problem/
Ishiyama
Sequins for the win! I watched some of the gala proceedings.
Jackie
@Jackie: This link shows full length photo. Scroll down the article:
https://wwd.com/pop-culture/celebrity-news/kamala-harris-custom-laquan-smith-dress-congressional-black-caucus-foundation-phoenix-awards-dinner-1236617209/
Jeffro
reminder to all: it’s only Sept 15th! these malicious, corrupt clowns have soooo much further to fall in the next 50 days!
(cue ‘The End’ by the Doors…the GOP’s new theme song)
Scout211
@Jackie: Gift links at WaPo now require a sign-in.
Here are several photos from an article in Harper’s Bazaar. She looked stunning, very glam.
Jeffro
Hell YEAH it is! We KNOW it’s possible!
(trump cultists just want to avoid feeling bad about following trump all the way down the spiral and/or admitting that “the libs” were right all along about what a holy rolling clusterfuck this guy would be)
wind, whirlwind, all that.
Scout211
Could you share some of the good ones for those of us not on social media?
cain
@Jeffro:
and they are going to fail.
Sadly, the Loomer/Trump blow job stuff has not been shared widely by the media. But you’d think that a 78 year old getting it on with a 31 year old while his wife is out in a penthouse doing whatever would mean something.
It’s the media’s stupidity that they don’t notice that his people don’t give a shit that he’s carrying on with someone on the campaign trail, and they don’t want to report on it.
This campaign is really about the DC Press and how pathetic they are. People are noticing Out of touch, and self centered.
Jeffro
@lamh47: agreed. and if/when trump or Vance tries to amplify it, they should get a visit too.
(minor chuckle: there’s a seriously funny SNL skit in the offing there, where someone from the Secret Service visits trump and stops to catch up with trump’s Secret Service detail, and then more Secret Service show up b/c RWNJ wackos keep popping up with guns, and then MORE Secret Service stop by when trump’s minions start demanding “equal attempts” on Dems, etc etc etc)
as I said, ‘minor’ chuckle…
Scout211
We got a postcard yesterday from our county election office. Ballots will be mailed the week of October 7. Three weeks until voting begins in California. Wow.
HumboldtBlue
Dorothy A. Winsor
It’s hard to believe that debate was just this past Tuesday. It feels so big that it ought to have been longer ago.
dmsilev
@Suzanne: I can imagine. Is ‘do everything possible to insult Taylor Swift and her fans’ above or below ‘Never get involved in a land war in Asia’ on the list of classic blunders?
dmsilev
@Chet Murthy: Not Ben Garrison?
Lyrebird
Quoted
For
Truth!
Villago Delenda Est
Victor Davis Hansen is such a hack. Glemm Greenwald, GRU stooge, is such a hack. And the hackiest of all hacks, Peggy “Another gin fizz, Manuel” Noonan caps off the hacks.
Suzanne
@Scout211: Can I share a meme? I’m trying to figure out how! I don’t know how to link to X!
KatKapCC
@Scout211: They do not. You can enter any fake email at all in the email field and it will let you read it.
Villago Delenda Est
@HumboldtBlue: The Federalist Society and ethics do not mix. Period.
KatKapCC
Every day I think he can’t get any dumber, and yet…
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Suzanne:
Definitely a totally normal thing for an absolutely well-adjusted person to post
Jay
Lets see, the Dead Bird Site is blocked in Brazil.
Glem is posting on the Dead Bird Site.
Has he fled Brazil again, or is he illegally using a Starlink and VPN to bypass the rulings of the Brazilian Supreme Court?
Gin & Tonic
Open thread? Good foraging day today – around 9 pounds of wild grapes and 2.5 pounds of wild mushrooms.
Plus, my son and his wife came for a visit and informed my dear wife and me that we will be grandparents next spring (well, we already are, but with my daughter.) I know I’m looking forward to seeing how the kid handles three languages.
KatKapCC
@Gin & Tonic: Mazel tov!
Jay
@Villago Delenda Est:
Peggy Noonan got a “pearl necklace” from Ronald Reagan. She boasts about it constantly.
twbrandt
@Gin & Tonic: Congrats!
Jay
@Gin & Tonic:
Congrats!
KatKapCC
@Jay: ………she……she does? That’s. Um. That seems out of character. Also gross.
scav
@Gin & Tonic: Youpee for you! And no doubt the new one will handle all the languages with simply terrifying ease — and will expect you to keep up.
Villago Delenda Est
@Gin & Tonic: Woohoo! Congratulations! Best wishes to mom and dad and the munchkin!
Scout211
@Suzanne #25
Embed: In the comment box here, paste the embed code, but make sure the comment box is in text mode (tab at the top of the comment box)
URL: Post the link like you would normally post links. Some jackals also copy and paste the text from the X tweet, too.
(Or maybe you need to paste in text mode if you want the Twitter block).
You don’t need an x account to do either one
Added: for jackals with more experience at this, corrections are welcome.
KatKapCC
@Scout211: I think you meant that for Suzanne?
RSA
Oh, yeah.
A different take is that I wonder if any current or former federal elected official has ever publicly expressed hatred of a private citizen?
Trump violates so many norms, so often, that we may not take each instance seriously enough. He ought to be treated as dangerous, given his wealth and power. I wonder if Swift could take out a restraining order against him? I know, it would be just for show, but it might highlight this particular bit of lunacy.
cain
@Gin & Tonic:
Congratulations !! :)
Scout211
@KatKapCC: oops. Sorry! Yes I did.
Fixed!
karen marie
@Jackie: Not at all keen on the neckline. What the fuck is even happening there? It does not photograph well at all.
Too bad.
She looks like she had a great time, however!
@Scout211: Harper’s is not helping. I can see better in the room light. She looks like she’s got a Webster kettle grill attached to the top half of her dress.
Ugh.
TS
@Scout211:
She smiles – all the time – such a delight, regardless of the clothes. Something she learned from Michelle Obama or just something she has known for most of her life. The minute Michelle frowned, that was the picture all over the media.
Jay
https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/fascist-fuckery-intensifies-in-springfield
Funny how the MSM never “notices”,…….
TS
@karen marie:
The article in the post speaks to the neckline
https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/fashion/2024/09/15/laquan-smith-kamala-harris-cbc-dress/
Smith’s unusual neckline and corseted waist gave the design some extra pizazz: It was “structured and sculpted to elongate her silhouette, but still soft enough to maintain a sense of grace,” Smith said in an email interview on Sunday.
….
The neckline is a bold statement — structured and sculpted to elongate her silhouette, but still soft enough to maintain a sense of grace. It’s designed to show that women can be both commanding and sophisticated, all in the same breath.
karen marie
@TS: It looks like a Weber kettle grill in photos. Maybe it looks better IRL. Dunno.
HumboldtBlue
@Gin & Tonic:
Congratulations!
K-Mo
Wow. I agree with that Warzel piece so much.
The pivot from Pearl clutching to mocking has been so effective and life giving. I hope we keep it up!!
Geminid
@Dorothy A. Winsor: A friend and I were talking about that today. The debate seems like it was ten days ago, not five.
We also speculated that there will be a surge in recreational activity once this nerve-wracking election is over with. Among other enterprises, bowling alleys and miniature golf courses could see a jump in patronage, and orthopedic surgeons might have to repair more pickleball injuries.
And as the teenagers finally relax, there could even be a boom in the Young Adult fiction sector!
Jackie
@cain:
Remember 2016? Evangelists didn’t give a damn that TCFG was a twice divorced, three times married with multiple affairs while married… He gave them their SC so Roe v Wade could be overturned.
And he’s a MAGA rethuglican.
slightly_peeved
@Villago Delenda Est:
I assume that they learned from Biden looking like he was staring into space in the first debate, and gamed out how they could best use the camera on MVP. At least to not give any images that could be used to look bad, and at best what they did which was to offer a silent rebuttal to Trump.
BR
I’ve decided I’ve had enough of the nonsense from the other side. I’m going to exclusively post fun Harris/Walz stories, links, etc. for the next week (or longer, let’s see how it goes). I’m not going to let them drag my mood down anymore.
Let’s start with a couple videos of Harris, one recent and one older:
https://www.tiktok.com/@clipsofkamala/video/7414166534446140715
https://www.tiktok.com/@clipsofkamala/video/7411977027466644779
mrmoshpotato
@Suzanne:
Just 1000? What has the orange dumbass brought upon himself?
TS
Reading WaPo “live election coverage”, nothing happened in the USA today except the trump gun event. Every MAGA who ever had a reporter’s ear are giving their views.
Jeffro
I think more and more folks are reading BJ…and/or just noticing the obvious…there’s a meme kicking around on Twitter about our blessed undecided voters:
Dinner options for the undecided: would you prefer to eat a) broken glass or b) hamburger patties?
OBUV: we’re really not sure…could the cook tell us how the hamburger patties were seasoned?
#TireRimsAndAnthraxBaby
slightly_peeved
@KatKapCC:
In her and Ronnie’s defence, why should Nancy have all the fun?
HumboldtBlue
@BR:
Pour that sugar on me…
Jay
@slightly_peeved:
Noonan made her “career” by “fluffing” Saint Ronny while drunk off her face every day.
Darkrose
NYT has info on the suspected shooter (gift link):
This is what happens when people who are untethered to reality can easily get and carry guns.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Chet Murthy:
She is a treasure.
Ishiyama
To my ignorant eye, it recalls paintings of Joan of Arc in her breastplate and armor.
BR
@HumboldtBlue:
Here are some of Harris providing inspiration and comfort to kids:
https://www.tiktok.com/@dinks4kamala/video/7407179155638406430
https://www.tiktok.com/@dinks4kamala/video/7406089836861394207
Shalimar
I am not an expert in book deals, but I would think a round of books explaining the Trump/Hindenburg explosion would be a lot more entertaining and fun to write than another bunch of ass-kissing nonsense.
NotMax
@Darkrose
Ain’t no tether long enough to reach where he squats.
//
rk
@lamh47:
The better question is why are republicans taking pot shots at Trump? I mean the election is just around the corner for heaven sakes! Go cast a vote against him.
BR
@HumboldtBlue:
And some Harris cooking content:
https://www.tiktok.com/@clipsofkamala/video/7410947492809805099
https://www.tiktok.com/@clipsofkamala/video/7406706370805845291
HumboldtBlue
@karen marie:
I had to go look… hahahahahahahaha
BR
@HumboldtBlue:
And two of the best upbeat Harris dance mixes:
https://www.tiktok.com/@casadimusic/video/7409046409644657966
https://www.tiktok.com/@casadimusic/video/7405336757564214570
TS
@Ishiyama: Interesting thought – sometimes the internet is such a bonus – back in the day I would have gone to the old encyclopedia to find a depiction of Joan of Arc – now there are instantly thousands. No doubt the designer also has access to so many images of powerful women – probably one there somewhere that may have impacted the design.
Jackie
@Gin & Tonic: Congrats to you and Mrs G&T for more grandkiddos!!!
Jay
@Darkrose:
As we know, 99.99% of Meal Team 6 who have claimed to have gone to Ukraine or be in Ukraine, have never left their State in their lives.
Shalimar
@cain: If you want to get really creeped out, think about this. Given Loomer’s long history of attention-seeking, what are the odds she didn’t film the blowjobs?
NotMax
@Jay
“But I eat Chicken Kev regularly.”
//
Jackie
@TS: You do realize this second assassination attempt has accomplished two things: TCFG’s disastrous debate performance and the Springfield debacle are gone. POOPH like they never happened.
BR
@Jackie:
I don’t agree. The media will obsess over it for a day or two until there’s yet another distraction. Whereas the debate was seen by 70+ million people, many of whom are not news obsessives.
Jay
@Jackie:
The previous attempted mass shooting at a Dolt 45 grievance fest had less hang time than a “dead cat bounce”.
Springfield and the Dolt 45’s lies are still in the news.
Couchfucker McGee admitted in a nationally broadcast interview that he lies, and will lie at the drop of a hat.
It’s too soon to claim that nothing else is newsworthy. If that’s all your news feeds are carrying, you need better feeds.
Shalimar
@Jackie: The first attempt actually had shots fired and someone killed. It was in the news for a few days before everyone moved on. This one won’t be news anywhere near as long as Trump declaring war on Taylor Swift fans.
eclare
@Gin & Tonic:
Congratulations on the new grandbaby!
eclare
@karen marie:
I don’t see what y’all do, I think she looks great. The color, the sequins…
OK, looking at the Harper’s photos, I would have preferred a straight neckline rather than the have the neckline come to a point under her chin. But that’s minor.
KatKapCC
@Jackie: Nah, I don’t think this is going to replace talk about the debate. Because the Harris campaign will keep talking about wanting a second one and keep pointing out that Trump doesn’t. And nothing even happened to him this time. If Republicans are really going to turn “someone was nearby with a gun” into something terrible, they are gonna get asked a lot of questions about such a change in stance.
mrmoshpotato
@KatKapCC: “No! I’m one of the five kids you wanted executed back in the 80’s for the Central Park jogger case, you fascistic sack of shit who’s also a loser!”
mrmoshpotato
@Gin & Tonic: You had a wild day! And congrats!
Jackie
@Shalimar: @Jay: @BR: and any others… Thank you! Since this time DonOLD didn’t even bleed this time, you’re all probably right!😂
Matt McIrvin
@Jackie: I think the buzz about this incident is going to be gone in a couple of days. There isn’t any obvious partisan grievance angle–the would-be assassin was some kind of unclassifiable political eccentric but not a partisan Democrat or an immigrant or in any group J. D. Vance wants to stigmatize, he didn’t actually get a shot in at Trump, and there’s mostly going to be questions about whether the Secret Service are doing their job.
Jay
@Jackie:
Sadly, we have all needed “talking down off the ledge” at times since the escalator ride.
eclare
@KatKapCC:
“Please proceed to complain about guns, Rethuglicans.”
TS
@Jackie: Of course – nothing in WaPo except the pawns visiting the castle to pay homage to the king.
Edit: I hope that will pass as others have mentioned.
Jay
@Matt McIrvin:
Funny thing, is under FloriDuh! Open Carry laws, if the suspect claims that he was “just resting” on his way to target practice, or fishing, it’s the Secret Service who are in the wrong.
sdhays
@Jeffro: Taylor Tomlinson made this joke on After Midnight.
eclare
@Matt McIrvin:
Agreed. On the same day he pissed off Taylor Swift fans. She has 284M followers on Insta. Now some of those are overseas, some are too young to vote, but that is a lot of people.
I just looked it up, Kid Rock has 1.3M. Hahaha….
Urza
Getting rid of all the loyalists he had on his SS detail would be a good thing in general. I mean they can’t even do the job, but also they were on his side should be enough to get them fired. Should be entirely neutral in that job.
Jackie
@eclare: Exactly! Don jr and Eric with their AR-15 hunting rifles immediately came to mind with Eric’s tearful fear that Daddy could be assassinated by a GUN! Let’s see them run to congress and demand Gun Reform!
Yutsano
@Jackie: There wasn’t even an attempt. The only shots came from the Secret Service (who missed BTW) and the guy never got a round off. It’s barely worth the epitaph “attempt” honestly.
Urza
@eclare: I demand a bot count for Kid Rock. Taylors number is fully believable, his is not.
Yutsano
@Gin & Tonic: MAZEL TOV YA CRAZY KIDS!!!
dm
Harris campaign responds to Trump’s tweet about Taylor Swift:
https://fosstodon.org/@AkaSci/113143412389370634
And Variety sorts out the references:
https://variety.com/2024/music/news/kamala-harris-campaign-taylor-swift-song-titles-trump-response-1236144649/
Jay
@Shalimar:
Like Noonan’s necklace, the vid’s only use is a momento of when the Secret Service allowed her close to Orangmandieus, a figure of such fertility on the Wingnut circle.
It’s of no use as Blackmail, Melanoma’s Prenup doesn’t allow her a divorce and Porn Hub wouldn’t host it. The only market for it is Speaker Moses and he doesn’t even have a “bank account” or a “spank bank account”, (or so he claims).
BR
Couple videos of Tim Walz, in case you missed them. One with a baby cow, the other eating a pork chop at the fair:
https://www.tiktok.com/@timwalz/video/7411198671926168875
https://www.tiktok.com/@timwalz/video/7409745978242370862
Jackie
@Yutsano: I know 😂 The gunman was two holes away down the golf course. TCFG was complaining he didn’t get to finish the hole he was on when he was hauled away!
eclare
@Urza:
Hahaha…good point!
eclare
@dm:
That statement is brilliant! I love that it included a reference to “The Man,” a brutal song about how Taylor Swift would be treated differently if she were a man. She even dressed as a man in the video.
https://youtu.be/AqAJLh9wuZ0?si=htvcmpF5eF-8bqx_
It’s one of the first songs that she performs on the Eras tour.
BR
@eclare:
The twist ending of that music video just was…wow.
Jackie
Is BJ acting gimpy, or is it only freezing then bouncing around erratically on my device?
Chet Murthy
@Jackie: It’s just a website, so that might indicate your device. It’s fine on my Chromebook. Have you tried rebooting your device ?
ETA: sorry, I know that sounds snarky, but I’m being serious.
eclare
@BR:
Such a good guy, obviously cares about people.
Timill
@Yutsano: Indeed. As far as I can tell, it’s the SS who are in trouble under Florida law – opening fire on a citizen peacefully exercising their 2A rights.
KatKapCC
@Jackie: Is it doing that on all the posts? I find that the ones with lots of embedded tweets will do that a bit because the tweets take a bit to all load.
Jay
@Timill:
Open Carry is mildly restricted under FloriDuh! Law, but, as near as we know now, the suspect was not on Private property, did not open fire, the SS did and if the suspect was on the way to go fishing, hunting or the shooting range and just taking a rest under a bush, (for shade), then,………
Chet Murthy
@KatKapCC: And of course as we all learned a few years back, because the browser can’t predict the height of tweets until they’re loaded, refreshing causes the viewing position in the page to change each time.
Sure Lurkalot
I agree with Pete that the man is a distraction and I agree with Kamala that it’s time to turn the page on this…..motherfucker.
scav
@Timill: So, won’t DeSantis leaping in to investigate this all on his royal lonesome be in a wee bit of a quandary. Uphold the free range status of and and all firearms held by any and all good patriots in the freedom realm of Florida or suck up to the powers that be and the only (orange) lives that matter?
NotMax
@Jay
Or under the influence of Haitian voodoo.
//
dm
Vance told us the other day that guns are just a fact of life, and Trump said we’d just have to get over shootings at schools, so I guess this golf course fracas is no biggie.
Jackie
@Chet Murthy: Sorry, my phone. I did reboot, but still wonky.
It seems to be happening on this thread only, so far.
Chet Murthy
@Jackie: By “wonky” can you characterize ?
BR
Here’s a great breakdown of how Harris framed her debate answers so effective:
https://www.tiktok.com/@doss.discourse/video/7413469474357103903
Jackie
@dm: You’re absolutely right:
And, of course, already fundraising off of it.
Jackie
@Chet Murthy: See my post #105. That pretty much describes it. Plus taking forever to refresh after posting any reply. I’ve rebooted my phone but that didn’t help. I guess I need to see if it continues on a new thread.
Chet Murthy
@Jackie: What device are you using? Does “freezing” mean that you can’t interact with the browser at all? E.g. the “…” menu at the top doesn’t work? Or does it mean you can’t move the page up-and-down ? Does this happen immediately after refreshes, or long after a refresh ?
eclare
@BR:
That was really interesting, thanks. It shouldn’t be a surprise, I bet she also crafted closing arguments as a prosecutor in a methodical way.
MinuteMan
We need a cartoon of Twitler melting into a pool of goo after being splashed with a buck of water by Kamala (go with the classics):
Jackie
@Chet Murthy: After I post, or if I take a break then refresh it takes forever to refresh. Then once it’s refreshed and I attempt to scroll down it bounces up and down between last post and beyond where I left off before finally settling down to where I left off. I’m going to call it a night and see if things improve in the morning.
Obviously this is a “my problem” problem and not a BJ site issue.
lollipopguild
@Sure Lurkalot: Pete left out sharks.
Roberto el oso
I feel like I’m swirling the contents of a chamber pot about by even bringing this up, but …. so far as I can tell, the rumors of Loomer blowing the Mushroom King are being spread by Milo Y. He’s tight with MTG who is famously feuding with Loomer, so that might be all there is to it. Milo has said in the past that anyone who crosses him has found out what a “bitchy little queen I can be.” And, for the record, his claims that he is a born again Xtian who no longer indulges in gay sex are almost certainly false, not that the latter is any of my damn business.
dr. luba
@Darkrose: There were a lot of military cosplayers who showed up in Ukraine expecting military commissions. I remember one gamer who was interviewed was hoping for a commission as a sniper.
Ukraine sent them back home.
They welcomed volunteers with actual military experience, though.
Chet Murthy
@Jackie: After it settles down, does it later on behave erratically? Or only in the period after a refresh?
B/c if that’s what you’re seeing, then I suspect it’s b/c of all the tweets. They can cause the browser window to bounce around, since as each tweet renders, the page has to be resized to accommodate it. And of course, it can consume resources to load/render a tweet, so that could cause the page to freeze. The key tell is that “if you wait a good while after refresh, does the page no longer behave erratically?” B/c that is what indicates that it’s about the loading of whatever-it-is that is on the page. Which, typically, implicates tweets (since images can be marked with a rows/cols size, and IIRC WordPress does so).
BethanyAnne
Undecided voter: https://imgur.com/gallery/34sdIQ5
danielx
@Jeffro:
Never gets old.
Jackie
@Chet Murthy: I think you’re right. Too many links. It’s temporarily settled after waiting a few minutes before refreshing.
I’m an early to bed, early to rise person, so I’ll call it a day and see how it behaves in the a.m. Thanks for your help!😊
eclare
@BethanyAnne:
Tire rims or anthrax in real life
eclare
@MinuteMan:
Oz never gets old…
Trivia Man
@MinuteMan: nice AI prompt
TBone
@Suzanne: Comment of the Evening:
Darkrose
@eclare: Meh. Jackoff Divan says gun violence is a fact of life, so why worry?
Mr. Bemused Senior
But have you tried tire rims and anthrax?
TBone
In case you missed Wanda Sykes give her thoughts on the debate:
https://x.com/maddenifico/status/1834274585836949875
😆
eclare
@TBone:
Thanks! I have loved her for decades, since she was on Chris Rock’s short lived show.
TBone
The most important news story today makes me even more of an “assassination truther” as Kay put it earlier. I think this story is gonna do real damage and they’re so far into damage control that they are absolutely desperate to change the narrative. I hope this blows up big tomorrow:
https://digbysblog.net/2024/09/15/chief-roberts-is-trumps-protector/
TBone
@eclare: 💜 she has a house in my former hometown, Media PA – I’ve always adored her too! I think she’s sitting in her driveway in DelCo doing that video.
TBone
Josh Marshall takes fElon to task:
https://x.com/joshtpm/status/1835502101381763444
mrmoshpotato
@TBone: Yup. We all did hear it.
TBone
@mrmoshpotato: it was glorious!
TBone
Full(ish) moon insomniac mood music
https://youtu.be/VrqTKG5WuXM
First comment:
“You don’t find this song, it finds you.”
SomeRandomGuy
I don’t know how, but, if I did, I just realized I’d really like to hang something around Vance’s neck is, he’s claiming he’s right to talk about dog-eating because he must raise the concerns of his constituents… which include the Haitians living in Ohio legally. Just because they can’t vote doesn’t mean it’s okay to crap all over them.
It does mean it looks *safe* to crap all over them, but that is only true if no one loves the strangers – the ones who asked for our help, and we said “yes, we can help you, lawfully, so we will” – if no one loves the needy strangers, then it *is* safe to crap on them. But if you feel that they should be treated with dignity and respect (even if you don’t want them to stay very long), then it should be a bit stomach churning to have such a weird blood libel thrown around.
At least the Karen who made the facebook post said she never intended for it to turn into this massive wave of hate, and maybe this will become a moment when we reconsider our culture’s norms and mores, and realize “yes, just a bit of hate, at the wrong time, *can* be super-toxic.”
Gloria DryGarden
@Jackie: my tablet does the bouncing around, too, and scrolling up, down, up, down again, not always returning where I was. It’s pretty often.
When I post, but other times, too. After I start reading a comment, thinking it’s settled, it sometimes scrolls up. Tedious. I wasn’t sure if it’s my older iPad, or the website.
like a metaphor
@Jackie: it’s like ya cain’t even shoot these days, without some jerk golfing at ya
Yutsano
RIP Tito.
Thank you for all the music.
TBone
@Yutsano: 😥
HumboldtBlue
@Yutsano:
Damn
TBone
Some Bowie for tonight, uh, oops, this morning
https://youtu.be/aV-hjaULMU4
eclare
@Yutsano:
Oh I just saw the news.
NotMax
Thing I learned today.
One of Boris Karlioff’s grandmothers was Indian (as in India).
karen marie
@eclare: This is what blows my mind. In January, a week after another school shooting, Trump told the victims, their families and the public to “get over it.” Vance said the same thing last week.
Now they think people should be upset?
Jay
@NotMax:
One of the things I learned today, was that Albert Einstein was a real person,…………………………………
I always thought he was a theoretical physicist.
eclare
@karen marie:
Yep. We have to deal with the real world, where we don’t have armed security guards protecting us in every supermarket, school, church, movie theater, WalMart, etc.
I am glad TCFG wasn’t killed, for many reasons, a big one being that I want him to lose, be convicted of something, and spend the rest of his miserable life in prison. But don’t fucking dare ask me for sympathy.
I wonder how many people are going to be willing to play golf with him now?
NotMax
@eclare
Who’s he going to lie to about his golf score now?
//
eclare
@NotMax:
I know! There is no way TCFG goes out there by himself, he has to have someone to beat/someone to genuflect to him.
Are you still in NYC or have you gone back to Hawaii?
NotMax
@eclare
Arrived back home last Sunday.
Only one Broadway show was interested in seeing, while there Once Upon a Mattress, which opened in late August. Sliver of a show, scriptwise. Had seen it before eons ago.
But this revival stars Sutton Foster, whom I’ve been itching to see on stage at least once. Well worth it for that alone. (Plus managed to score a last minute ticket in person at the box office for a bargain price – less than what the half price booth in Times Square was asking when I went online to look earlier in the day.)
Citizen Alan
@NotMax: I saw her as Marion “The Librarian” Paroo opposite Hugh Jackman in The Music Man. It was alright. If I had it to do over again and knew I’d only have time to catch one musical while I was in NYC, I think I’d have gone to Company or Six instead.
eclare
@NotMax:
Cool on the ticket score!
Gloria DryGarden
@Jay: hahahaha hahahaha! ROFL
on the other hand, the guy w a gun on a golf course, well any threat was also theoretical
and “they should get over it”
Dave
@Timill: Just occurred to me that if Harris’ detail had to respond to something similar in Florida Desantis probably would try to find a way to bring them up on charges.
Princess
@Ishiyama: Oh, good catch. Like the 5th one in this list of Joan of Arc paintings:
https://abirpothi.com/11-famous-paintings-on-joan-of-arc/
West of the Rockies
@Roberto el oso:
I didn’t know Milo Y was still even vaguely making noise as a weird cultural figure. I thought he went the way of the actor who played Tooms in X Files. IOW, become utterly irrelevant.
Rachel Bakes
@KatKapCC: probably doesn’t know what exonerated means.
Barbara
@cain: no surprise The NY Times is covering this up – they did EXACTLY the same thing for Rudy Ghouliani when he was mayor with his cheating. Even when he was cheating on BOTH wife and girlfriend with Judy Nathan . . .