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Is this getting much play?  It was bad enough when he screwed with the satellite system in Ukraine.

The guy gets away with everything, including undermining democracy.

So fucking frustrating!

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    9. 9.

      TBone

      Another reminder that Chief Ass Kisser John Roberts is also a fucking douchebag.

      https://crooksandliars.com/2024/09/times-secret-memos-show-john-roberts

      Includes Nicholas Grossman xit (he brought receipts):

      John Roberts sounds delusional. Not insane or hallucinating. But so out of touch, so high on his own supply, so deep in a bubble that Roberts—per this NYT report—thought his awfully reasoned, wildly un-American immunity ruling would be well received by the public and history.

      Another reminder: Use your ad blocker.

      I’ma ring this bell all week.

      Reply
    10. 10.

      Old School

      Seems like a good thread to share my “I saw my first cybertruck” story:

      This past weekend, I was driving by a park where they were setting up for a car show.  As I was driving by, I was passing a long line of classic cars waiting their turn to turn into the park.  I was admiring the line and then there in the line was a cybertruck.

      A frequent comment I’ve read from people is that they are stunned by how ugly it is.  I can assure you, the initial impression is not helped when it is surrounded by classic cars.  I literally burst out in laughter.

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    12. 12.

      cain

      I find a lot of things frustrating. Why has nobody from the DOJ announced that they are sending the FBI to Springfield? 3 days of school cancellations? Where the hell are they?

      Same with Elon Musk  – I don’t understand why we are not able to handle this guy? Just fucking take over his damn internet thing and let him cry. We’ll give it back to him when we are done with Ukraine.

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    23. 23.

      cain

      @TBone: I get we need his satellites, but we can just take it away from him as a matter of national security. Nobody should have that kind of leverage on the U.S. Armed Forces.

      We clearly need this technology, just build it ourselves.  Military claim we are giving them more money than they need, yet Congress keeps giving them more money. Just do it yourself. Fuck this guy.

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    28. 28.

      HumboldtBlue

      In the November election, the U.S. faces two futures. In one, the new president offers the country better prospects, relying on science, solid evidence and the willingness to learn from experience. She pushes policies that boost good jobs nationwide by embracing technology and clean energy. She supports education, public health and reproductive rights. She treats the climate crisis as the emergency it is and seeks to mitigate its catastrophic storms, fires and droughts.

      In the other future, the new president endangers public health and safety and rejects evidence, preferring instead nonsensical conspiracy fantasies. He ignores the climate crisis in favor of more pollution. He requires that federal officials show personal loyalty to him rather than upholding U.S. laws. He fills positions in federal science and other agencies with unqualified ideologues. He goads people into hate and division, and he inspires extremists at state and local levels to pass laws that disrupt education and make it harder to earn a living.

      Only one of these futures will improve the fate of this country and the world. That is why, for only the second time in our magazine’s 179-year history, the editors of Scientific American are endorsing a candidate for president. That person is Kamala Harris.

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    29. 29.

      cain

      @Baud: I know they were out there, but I’m saying the administration should simply used this as to message “we are aware, and we are out to find you”.

      Sometimes an outright threat will help.

      ETA, also I am aware that I moved the goalposts. :D Let’s just say that I live in the BJ and Mastodon bubble and I don’t get my news any other way.

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    32. 32.

      WaterGirl

      @Math Guy: I’m totally game for Biden to test the immunity theory  after the election, no matter who wins.

      Either they let Biden get away with stuff that we would like, or the SC has to say oops and un-do their pile of shit ruling.

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    34. 34.

      comrade scotts agenda of rage

      @Old School:

      Der Wankpanzer (the following narrated in one’s best Werner Herzog voice):

      Days after purchase, you sit at a red light.  The novelty is gone, you aren’t any happier.  Maybe it’s your imagination but the gaps in the door look off.  You think you saw a far full of teens laughing at you early.  You’re now $100K in debt for a meme, and you feel nothing.

      FYI, one thing you’ll hear about this thing that’s supposedly ground breaking and revolutionary is it’s use of 48v-architecture.  As usual, the hype and reality are quite different:

      https://www.motor1.com/features/704878/tesla-cybertruck-48-volts/

      That’s mainly for any engineers or hard-core gear heads in the audience.

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    35. 35.

      TBone

      @Baud: they need Volusia County Sheriff Chitwood to coordinate that shit.  He goes from zero to DelCo in a hot minute.  Issued a statement to bomb threat makers and their parents the other day “if you can’t raise your kids, I will. And if I find out you knew, you’re getting perp walked too.” He puts the photos of offenders up.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Chitwood

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    37. 37.

      HumboldtBlue

      A local Ohio sheriff has thrown himself into electoral politics, suggesting in a social media post last week that his constituents send him the personal addresses of locals with Kamala Harris’s campaign signs in their yards.

      Portage County Sheriff Bruce Zuchowski issued the missive on Facebook Friday, referring to the vice president as a “Flip-Flopping, Laughing Hyena.”

      “I say … write down all the addresses of the people who had her signs in their yards!” Zuchowski wrote. “Sooo … when the Illegal human ‘Locust’ (which she supports!) Need places to live … We’ll already have the addresses of their New families … who supported their arrival!”

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    46. 46.

      cain

      @Baud:

      Respect is earned. Jail a lot of em with federal crimes. Make threats, go to jail. Come back old and wiser, and stuck as a greeter at walmart

      Reply
    55. 55.

      Jackie

      Heh!

      Repeating from the dead thread:

      An organization of Taylor Swift fans said Monday they raised more than $40,000 for the Kamala Harris campaign following Donald Trump’s post that he hates the pop megastar.

      The Republican hopeful fired a Sunday morning missive on Truth Social saying “I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT!”, which the “Swifties for Kamala” organization capitalized on to raise money for his Democratic rival.

      https://www.rawstory.com/swifties-raise-40k-in-wake-of-trump-post-hating-on-star/

      Let’s hope TCFG repeats his TS hatred daily!

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    56. 56.

      Baud

      @lamh47:

      Exactly, the fact that -igger came out in any form tells me the word is in his usual lexicon!

       
      To be fair, since July he’s had to talk about Kamala Harris a lot more.

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    57. 57.

      piratedan

      I can understand that the argument isn’t that we should just “take away” the products that Musk’s company has built.  That’s generally not a winning argument.  I sure as hell could see sponsoring some competition so that we’re not reliant on the megalomaniac for tools to protect our national interests.

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    58. 58.

      BR

      @lamh47: ​

      Here’s Jill Stein, refusing to call Putin a war criminal…smh

      Oh my — you can see on her face that she is desperately trying to remember her Kremlin talking points.

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    59. 59.

      lamh47

      @WaterGirl: just phrasing…she didn’t stumble when he said the word, just kept on moving…and ignored it.

      I would think anyone else would say, “sorry Rich I didn’t hear you, did u mean…” but nope she just kept it moving.

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    61. 61.

      bbleh

      @Old School: @OlFroth: @WaterGirl: I’ve also seen “reports” that he deleted the tweet after seeing a comment on X that his tweet, although reasonable on its face, might be “misunderstood.”

      Call me cynical but I’m kind of thinking maybe some frantic screaming phone calls from lawyers and executives involved in his lucrative government-contracting businesses might also have had a WEE bit of influence.

      Ain’t no way a visit from some DoD security types asking pointed questions about clearances and so forth, perhaps even accompanied by someone from the Secret Service, would be at all out of line.

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    62. 62.

      Tony G

      @WaterGirl: My understanding (and I should be corrected if I’m wrong) is that the same Supreme Court that made this awful immunity ruling a few months ago will be the arbiter, after the fact, of which actions by a president are “personal” (and not protected by immunity) and which actions are “official” (and are protected).  Obligatory sports analogy: The referees have decided that under certain circumstances players can hit other players with lead pipes — and those same referees will decide (after the fact) exactly when this will and will not be allowed.  Not corrupt at all.

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    64. 64.

      Tony G

      @bbleh: If there is that just God that I learned about in church years ago, Elon will wake up tomorrow in an emerald mine in South Africa, being forced to work for starvation wages.  Let’s see!

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    66. 66.

      cintibud

      Open thread, so I have a question. We are leaving in a couple of days to visit some friends in Wenatchee WA. We are flying into Seattle and renting a car to drive to their place. They moved there from Ohio a few years ago and this will be our first visit to Washington ever.

      We mentioned that we were going to take just a little time, half a day, to look at Seattle before driving to their house. However I was surprised when he warned us about Seattle having gone way downhill recently. He said there was a lot of open drug use – meth and heroin, trash and even human excrement in places. This is all things he said he observed personally, not something he saw on Fox. Not that he would watch Fox, I should mention he and his wife are reliable liberals. He said the police don’t seem to care and don’t do anything.

      First time I heard any of this, other than the wingnut claims that the entire city burned to the ground. Any comments from folks in the area on this?  Thanks

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    67. 67.

      Tony G

      @comrade scotts agenda of rage: Well, Elon is no mere billionaire.  If 99% of his wealth were to be confiscated tomorrow he would still have a net worth of more than 2 billion dollars, which is more money than could be logically spent in a lifetime.  At a certain point (and Elon is way past that point) the money becomes more worthless than Monopoly money.  It’s pure narcissistic ego.

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    73. 73.

      bbleh

      @Tony G: and just as important, the effect it had and continues to have ALSO disappears.  Poof!  As though with a delete key! Just like, say, object-avoidance vehicle control software!

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Shalimar

      @trollhattan: The comments on Loomer’s post are loony.  Like the guy who thinks it is suspicious that anyone would know in advance Trump would be playing golf on that particular course.  He plays at least 5 days a week when he is at Mar-a-Lago, almost always at that course.  Anyone doing recon on Trump’s motorcade would know this.

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    79. 79.

      frosty

      @cintibud: We were just there for a few days. We saw nothing anything like that. Although if you’re going to Pike Place, check out the Gum Wall. Then have a cocktail at Zig Zag to recover.

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    80. 80.

      ...now I try to be amused

      @trollhattan: The Time cover picture begs for analysis.

      There are no tracks to the right of the cart. That suggests it backed into the left side of the sand trap and went to the bottom. Now Trump is trying to back out on the opposite (right) side.

      Also, what made the brown lines in the tracks? I shudder to think.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      trollhattan

      Speaking of billionaires, they want you back in the fucking office ya lazy gits!

      Amazon is ending its hybrid work policy and ordering staff back to the office five days a week.
      The change will go into effect in January, boss Andy Jassy said in a memo to staff announcing the new rule.
      He said he believed the move would help staff be “better set up to invent, collaborate, and be connected enough to each other”.
      Mr Jassy has long been known as a sceptic of remote work, but Amazon staff were previously allowed to work from home two days a week.
      The company’s push to get its corporate staff back into the office has been a source of tension within the company, which employs more than 1.5 million people globally in full- and part-time positions, including hundreds of thousands in office roles.
      Staff at its Seattle headquarters staged a protest last year as the company tightened the full remote work allowance that was put in place during the pandemic.
      Amazon subsequently fired the organiser of that protest, prompting claims of unfair retaliation, a dispute that has been taken up with labour officials.
      In his message on Monday, Mr Jassy said he was worried that Amazon – which has long prided itself on preserving the intensity of a start-up while growing to become a tech giant – was seeing its corporate culture diluted by flexible work and too many bureaucratic layers.
      He said he had created a “bureaucracy mailbox” for staff to make complaints about unnecessary rules and the company was asking managers to reorganise so that managers are overseeing more people.
      Amazon said those changes could lead to job cuts, which would be communicated at the team level.
      In addition to returning to the office five days a week, the company said it would bring back “assigned desk arrangements in locations that were previously organized that way” including its US headquarters.

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    84. 84.

      Sister Golden Bear

      @piratedan: Seizing Twitter is a stretch, but given Space X involves national security, there’s a lot more leverage there. If nothing else, revoke Elon’s security clearance and prohibit him to from any contact with the company, as well as require the company to get a new CEO who’s not a security risk.

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    85. 85.

      TBone

      @Canadian Shield: it was really clear to me.  Not many words rhyme with it, let alone substitute for it when you take the context into consideration 🙄

      He’s merely first out of the gate to do in public what they’re all dying to do.

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    88. 88.

      WhatsMyNym

      @cintibud:

      that we were going to take just a little time, half a day, to look at Seattle

      Half a day is not worth it. You’ll have have to pick up your car first and the rental cars are no longer at the airport, they shuttle to the building. The airport is south of the Seattle. Traffic and parking sucks if you’re not used to the city.
      Just relax and take in the sights as you drive to destination.

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    89. 89.

      Chris

      @trollhattan:

      Speaking of billionaires, they want you back in the fucking office ya lazy gits!

      Well, somebody has to be in the office so the boss can spend more time on the golf course.

      Reply
    90. 90.

      sdhays

      Well, this just came up in my Apple News notifications:

      Elon Musk Is a National Security Risk

      Musk’s now-deleted post questioning why no one has attempted to assassinate Joe Biden and Kamala Harris renews concerns over his work for the US government—and potential to inspire extremist violence.

      Wired is tech-focused and pretty mainstream. So people are noticing.

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    91. 91.

      Sister Golden Bear

      @trollhattan:

      Amazon – which has long prided itself on preserving the intensity of a start-up while growing to become a tech giant –

      Translation: We want employees to work themselves to death without even the fiction that they might get lucky with the stock option lottery.

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    93. 93.

      cintibud

       

      @WhatsMyNym: Half a day is not worth it. You’ll have have to pick up your car first and the rental cars are no longer at the airport, they shuttle to the building. The airport is south of the Seattle. Traffic and parking sucks if you’re not used to the city.
      Just relax and take in the sights as you drive to destination.

      Actually, that sounds like a better plan.

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    95. 95.

      kindness

      I figure January 21, 2025 would be a good day for President Harris to have the government take over Elon’s space and defense companies.  And openly admit Elon is a national security risk and the companies are vital.

      Elon can keep Twitter.  It isn’t a national security concern, just a concern.

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    97. 97.

      cintibud

      @Eolirin: I could see that being the case – do you know if Seattle has had a big increase in unhomed people? I know that it’s a worsening problem in many cities.

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    99. 99.

      TBone

      Nationalization has been accomplished in our recent past.

      The U.S. assumption of a controlling interest in General Motors Corp. isn’t the first time the government has nationalized a company or an industry. It has taken shares in banks, railways, steel mills, coal mines and foreclosed homes.

      Most nationalizations were during wartime. But the current financial crisis has generated more than a few.

      Last year, the government took effective control of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

      It stopped short of nationalizing insurance giant American International Group, but forced a major restructuring and leadership change with a $180 billion taxpayer bailout.

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-history-of-corporate-nationalization/

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    100. 100.

      Sister Golden Bear

      @TBone: I think Space X ought to be nationalized.

      Nationalizing Twitter, aside from First Amendment issues, sets a dangerous precent—much as I enjoy fantasizing about Biden seizing Elon’s assets, deporting him, and then pointing to the SCOTUS decision to tell Republicans to fuck off because there’s nothing they can do about it.

      That said, I’d love to explore ways that Elon is also forced to step away from running Twitter, especially if that means he’s arrested for being a Russian asset. A girl can dream.

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    101. 101.

      TBone

      @Sister Golden Bear: his terroristic threat(s) should be prosecuted and, when he’s convicted, a condition of sentencing is that he’s disqualified from holding any positions in any capacities that could affect national security or disturb the peace via additional stochastic terrorism.  I dream big too! ❤️

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    102. 102.

      BR

      Seems to me the easier way to deal with Melon Husk at SpaceX is to strip him of his clearance. I’m guessing that would have ripple effects putting many things at SpaceX into jeopardy, forcing the SpaceX board to choose between keeping him or keeping their contracts, and I’d bet that the money guys behind it would rather keep the contracts.

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    103. 103.

      NotMax

      WaterGirl, did you get the NY meet-up pic? Sent your way last Monday. I realize you’ve been super busy with much more pressing matters..

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    105. 105.

      Dan B

      @cintibud: Seattle resident here.  A couple neighborhoods are rumored to be dicey like Pioneer Square and the south end of downtown.  But the rest if the city is very safe and mostly very quiet.  My partner’s siblings in Bellingham have called to find out if we’re okay.  Ha!  At the moment his sister in law’s Mercedes Sports Coup is parked in our driveway open to the street, for three weeks while they’re in Georgia.  Pike Place Market, the waterfront, Seattle Center, South Lake Union, Gasworks Park, and many other places are great fun and very safe.  Don’t wear your most expensive clothes or jewels or you’ll be mistaken for snobby tourists although after Labor Day tourists are not an issue.  Seattle’s a wonderful city with pockets of homelessness.  Enjoy yourselves!  Satby and Sister Golden Bear have.

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    106. 106.

      Comrade Scrutinizer

      @twbrandt: Neither “migrant” nor “immigrant” contain the letter “n”.

      Not to be that guy (totally that guy), but what is that letter before the “t” in both words?

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    111. 111.

      TBone

      @Dan B: thank you for the words of wisdom, I was feeling some kinda way about RWNJ talking points.

      Every city worth its salt has a dicey neighborhood. Or three.

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    113. 113.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Math Guy:

      Seize his assets that are vital to national defense, and then deport him.

      Ándale! We are of one mind on this.

      Who’ll call a congress person or the White House hotline to suggest it?

      don’t US govt and DOD cobtractors have to pass a security clearance level?

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    118. 118.

      cain

      @trollhattan: Amazon is a shitty company to work for and yeah, it’s intense. I know at least one person who who ended up having medical problems because of a stroke thanks to them. Avoid at all costs.

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    119. 119.

      Dan B

      @WhatsMyNym: Agreed.  Three days in the city is just the beginning of enjoying what’s to see.  Relaxing in a hidden restaurant overlooking the crowds at Pike Place, walking the new waterfront to the new aquarium and to the Art Museum’s outdoor sculpture park, hanging out on lower Queen Anne, strolling Columbia City, walking on the ferry to Bainbridge, etc.

      Regarding the airport they could take the Link Light Rail from the airport to Westlake Station and walk to Pike Place and the Waterfront then go back to the airport or arrange to pick up the rental car at one of the big downtown hotels like the Westin, Sheraton, or Four Seasons.

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    120. 120.

      SatanicPanic

      @BR: I like this approach best. Obviously you can’t have a loose cannon like Elon with a security clearance. He’s liable to go on a Ketamine binge and spill secrets to some Russian honeypot. The USA doesn’t need to nationalize, that’s going to confirm a lot of peoples’ concerns about Democrats.

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    121. 121.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @BR: will this work? I like your idea. Now to move it from concept of a plan, into a convincing, actionable plan.

      i don’t know how to put these things in motion, but I hope someone here does.

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    122. 122.

      Dan B

      @cintibud: Seattle has a big unhoused population.  They’re mostly in Sodo (south of downtown) near the stadiums.  They look scary but are not.  99% of them want to be left alone.

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    123. 123.

      SatanicPanic

      @BR: oh you mean Greenboro North Carolina’s most famous adult bookstore patron?

      Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it sounds like he has a problem keeping his habits under control. I mean, five nights a week?

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    136. 136.

      Elizabelle

      @SW:

      I don’t think the fact that Republicans keep shooting at their nominee is quite the PR coup these yahoos believe it to be.

      I just plain like this sentence.

      Reply
    137. 137.

      Geminid

      Middle East Eye correspondent Ragip Soylu reposted an account of a meeting with would-be assassin Ryan Routh. Hasan Abdullah, foreign correspondent for the TV network TRT News, talked with Routh in Kyiv not long after Russia invaded Ukraine:

      *Meeting the apparent Trump assasination attempt suspect*

      I met Ryan Routh in Kyiv in April 2022.

      He had been protesting in the famous Maidan square in the Ukrainian capital and was seeking media coverage.

      I don’t know if his views have evolved since, but here are some observations based on our fairly extensive chat back then:

      He strongly supported US hegemony and interventions.

      He believed American values should be spread to the world, by force if neccesary.

      He was virulently anti-Putin and anti-Russia.

      He believed the West had betrayed Ukraine.

      He wanted full-scale invasion of Russia and the use of nukes of neccesary.

      When asked if he understood the consequences of nuclear weapons use, he said that by supporting Putin, Russian civilians too had become legitimate targets.

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    140. 140.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @trollhattan: re amazon back to the office. Isn’t covid like, surging, and it’s more contagious than ever? It doesn’t seem well thought out, more just oppressive, and perhaps dangerous to people’s health.

      meanwhile, I started a cough fever headache thing last night. I’ve been afraid to go back to my substitute child education assistant work. A month into school, and I’ve been only twice, and now I’ve caught something.

      If I’ve got covid, and risked my older friend who’s been visiting, I’m going to cry. Actually already have started.

      Not pleased about amazon, nor about anti-masker community pressures, nor about… all the long list of distressing things.

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    141. 141.

      Dan B

      @cintibud: Keep in mind that Seattle is a very well off city.  Home prices have made many residents millionaires and there are plenty of multinational and tech corporations.  There are lots of glittery new things in addition to water in every direction and mountains to the east and west.  I’m constantly amazed at how gorgeous and interesting it is. A few years ago Seattle had more large construction cranes than any other city in North America except Toronto.  Pike Place was spared due to historic status but all around are glittering towers.

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    142. 142.

      Shalimar

      @BR: That only works if NASA has a replacement for SpaceX’s contracts.  Which they don’t.  No other company can replace their scale.

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    143. 143.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Dan B: are you warning me to be careful? Or being jokey?

      I’m just playing w ideas.

      I’m not making a threat, or posting made up shit, or encouraging  terrorization of a small town with lots of immigrants, and I’m not inviting any kind of march to the capital. And I’m far, far away. It’s just a thought, a mere question, not even a concept of a full idea… The FBI has bigger fish to fry. Sure hope they’re on it.

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    144. 144.

      Shalimar

      @Gloria DryGarden: Covid is spreading rapidly again.  Your chances of getting it are probably higher than they have been since late 2021.  On a somewhat positive but still sucks note, if you are one of the smart people who have been vaccinated multiple times it is highly unlikely you will get sick enough to be hospitalized or die.

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    145. 145.

      BR

      @Shalimar: ​

      I don’t mean cancel SpaceX’s contracts — I just mean him personally. The people at a defense contractor have to follow the rules. It’s true of every defense contractor.

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    147. 147.

      Gloria DryGarden

      The guy gets away with everything, including undermining democracy.

      gonna just rephrase that in the past tense. People who know how affirmations work will understand

      The guy has been getting away with everything, including undermining democracy.

      has been. Was. But now, let’s see how it might change

      (swear words 9-25,

      or supply your own, like in that sweet moment Kamala paused, looking at that former president in the debate.)

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    153. 153.

      Sure Lurkalot

      @Dan B: I think any medium to large sized city is best visited by at least a two day overnight stay. Preferably without a car.

      Though I haven’t been in years, I’ve enjoyed all my visits to Seattle, staying downtown, walking a bunch with occasional Uber. Fine museums, tours, happy hour oysters, excellent restaurants.

      I read the same comments about Denver…good downtown restaurant review garners comments “like it’s safe to go downtown LOL” and the like. Lots of unhoused here too but those sort of comments have been around forever.

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    155. 155.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Shalimar: well, I haven’t had a booster in a year, was looking for a good time to be sick for a day, cuz the vaccines lay me out in bed for a day.

      hoping you’re right and all those previous boosters still have some effect.

      i think I heard this version of covid laughs at masks. We’ll see how it goes.

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    156. 156.

      Dan B

      @cintibud: FYI If you take the Link Lught Rail from the airport it’s a short walk from the terminal to the station.  You’ll get seats since the airport is just the second stop.  You’ll avoid driving in traffic so will be downtown in 20 – 30 minutes and can walk to Pike Place in 10 – 15 minutes from Westlake Station or University Station (may be called Symphony Station soon).  From University, or Symphony Station you’ll walk past the Seattle Art Museum and turn right to walk a couple blocks to Pike Place.  You’ll need to figure out luggage storage but if you can get a car at the Sheraton, three blocks to the east of Westlake Station, they’ll be able to hold your luggage.  The Westin isn’t far.  The Four Seasons ( Four Seasons Olympic?) Is near University / Symphony.  Each of these hotels have taxi stands if you decide you want to store your luggage at the airport and take a cab instead of the Light Rail.  A couple hours at Pike Place and a walk down the new, elegant, hill climb to the waterfront and you’ve got an unhurried half day to get a sense of Seattle.  The sparking waters of Elliot Bay and the Olympic mountains are a bonus on sunny days.

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    159. 159.

      Dan B

      @cintibud: Matt’s at the Market has fantastic food.  It’s on the second floor of the Corner Market Building.  The Pink Door is more Italian.  Both overlook the Market.  People love Anthony’s on the waterfront.  It’s next to the waterfront marina and loading for the immense Alaska cruise ships.  Downstairs is less pricey but look up their menus.  I am a certified chef and particular about food.  Matt’s has always impressed.

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    163. 163.

      Dan B

      @Dan B: If the Salmon is not fresh or flash frozen (even better – fooled Julia) Alaska Halibut or Black Cod / Sablefish can be dazzling.  I’ve been enjoying them more than Salmon, except for fresh King Salmon

       

      Some people love Ivar’s Acres of Clams.  It can be good but has never been memorable.

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    164. 164.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Dan B: I wish I were in Seattle and could try this halibut and black cod. I love dazzling excellent seafood. Esp when it’s so great. A few good meals before FBI trees to board my ship..

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    165. 165.

      OHJo

      @Dan B: Thanks for the wealth of Seattle info in your responses to CintiBud! We’ll have closer to a full day after the weekend to do more exploring before flying home. We look forward to beginning our acquaintance with your lovely city!

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    167. 167.

      Dan B

      @OHJo: You’re welcome.  We’re planning to see the new developments on the waterfront.  We were last there as the final section of the double decker highway was coming down.  The new steps from Pike Place to the waterfront were designed by James Comer who designed the Highline in NYC.

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    168. 168.

      WaterGirl

      @BR: The NC Republican candidate for governor is certainly disgusting.  But the bad news is that the news about that isn’t getting out to enough of the people who need to know about it.

      Glad that NCAAT in Action is doing just that, but we shouldn’t assume that because it’s clear he is unfit for office that the voters of NC are hearing enough about this.

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    173. 173.

      Dan B

      @OHJo: If you have time after the weekend abd are taking the Light Rail it’s a few short blocks from the Columbia City Station to cute, very diverse, Columbia City with lots of local restaurants and shops.  It’s only five or six blocks but packs in a lot including a tiny park behind the PCC market and Carnegie Library.  The Cajun Restaurant is excellent if a bit noisy as is the Sardinian Restaurant La Medusa, dinner only for both.  Parking is available but you must pay.  Capitol Hill is interesting but with non-existent parking.  From the Light Rail Station it’s probably most interesting to walk South on Broadway or through Cal Anderson Park, next to the Station’s south side, to Pine Street.  To the east (left) are lots of shops and fun restaurants to 12th or 14th where they’re as thick as possible.  It’s also next to CHOP where the “city burned to the ground”  NOT!  There are lots of clubs in the area where Seattle’s Grunge and Punk scenes got started and continue in their new forms.

      If you’re driving Gasworks Park at the north of Lake Union is wonderful on a nice day.  The floating bridges are unique and scenic but traffic and construction can take the fun out of it.  You’re probably better off driving along McGilvra from Madison Park to Lake Washington Boulevard (Olmstead designed).  At the south end is Seward Park, a peninsula with old growth forest. Along McGilvra you’ll pass homes of the timber, tech, and music barons, marinas, and restaurants like Daniel’s Broiler and Blu Water Bistro with fresh fish and views of Lake Washington – on the pricey side – the little market across the street has good sandwiches.  At Seward Park is Orcas Street which goes west to Rainier Avenue in Hilman City just a few blocks south of Columbia City.

      One cautionary note downtown.  Third Avenue has some drug issues.  You’ll cross it from Westlake Station but not from University / Symphony. It’s just a block so just don’t walk up and down Third if you don’t know where the McDonald’s is.

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    175. 175.

      NotMax

      @WaterGirl

      Date of meet-up was August 31st.

      As for when to post it, at a propitious time in your judgment. Or (maybe) as a Saturday morning Open Thread in place of the usual morning political ones?

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    177. 177.

      Dan B

      @OHJo: I got thrown out of the University of Cincinnati after being one of two second year architecture students to be in an honors program to study with the architect who designed the Playhouse in the Park.  I loved the older houses and buildings and the tree lined hillside neighborhoods, Eden Park (Mount Eden?), Mount Airy, the train station, and more.  I didn’t enjoy being shunned by the school but it got me into great adventures with Chicago Gay Liberation – taking on the mafia and the Vice Squad and prevailing

      Thanks for the invite!

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    178. 178.

      Bill Arnold

      @Tony G:

      It is certainly true that an electronic message disappears entirely after it is deleted!

      Only after corrective brain surgery on the millions who read it. And a purge of the internet. A link to example of the basic syntax for finding tweets/xeets for a user that have been archived: Ryan Routh tweets.
      The format is javascript so a bit hard to read (js-beautify for linux users will pretty print it).

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    180. 180.

      Steve Crickmore

      Why are all the former white South Africans, now American, so obnoxiously pro-Trump and so disrespectful of a possible Harris majority win? Here is JD Vance’s main benefactor, venture capitalist Peter Thiel giving his thoughts on what a Harris razor- thin close election win would mean? I only wish Nelson Mandela were around to give some of the benefit of his experience and wisdom in dealing with these totally oligeanious characters, he knew so well? https://x.com/jimstewartson/status/1835086489006621007

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    181. 181.

      Chris T.

      @Dan B:

      My partner’s siblings in Bellingham have called to find out if we’re okay

      Which is kind of funny as Bellingham has its own issues. Any growing city does, of course, and right now homelessness is a problem all up and down the west coast.

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