Join me and fellow Star Trek ladies on October 3rd for a virtual event, Women of Star Trek for Kamala! We are supporting the Harris/Walz campaign as we look toward a brighter future – one that we need to start building today at the ballot box. ???#HarrisWalz2024 #Kamala2024 pic.twitter.com/IyuikgZpE1
— Kate Mulgrew (@TheKateMulgrew) September 19, 2024
At #TAF24, @SpeakerPelosi recalls that after the Dobbs decision, she put on the floor a bill saying that women have the right to contraception. Some Democrats thought that Republicans would support the bill and look “kind of normal.”
But, she says, “195 Republicans voted no,… pic.twitter.com/Y8709UUQrM
— The Atlantic (@TheAtlantic) September 20, 2024
Kamala Harris is ready to lead on day one. pic.twitter.com/lfcCTmuj7N
— The Democrats (@TheDemocrats) September 19, 2024
Earlier this year, I convened voting rights leaders to thank them for their work and issue a call to action: Join me on three National Days of Action on Voting Rights to help get Americans registered.
Here's how their organizations took action: pic.twitter.com/6BeQVWijfX
— Vice President Kamala Harris (@VP) September 18, 2024
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I wouldn’t buy a used car from Olivia Nuzzi. (Or, were I forty years younger, be alone in an elevator with any of the men with whom she’s chosen to associate.) But she’s got a genuine journalistic instinct, and I’ll miss her wit in the final runup to the election. This is from her latest NYMag cover story about Trump:
It is popular to say that he does not have any beliefs, but what people mean when they say this is he has no principles. His greatest belief, the essential thing to understand about him, is his belief in his own mind. In its power to conceive and then to actualize. And he was unwilling to accept or admit that his mind was vulnerable to the influence of his emotions. He had never been comfortable being that human.
"New York magazine on Thursday said its Washington correspondent, Olivia Nuzzi, is on leave after learning the star journalist had allegedly engaged in a romantic relationship with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.," @OliverDarcy reports for STATUS https://t.co/Cu6z7l123K
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) September 20, 2024
I'm told Nuzzi told editors about the relationship — a "violation of the magazine's standards around conflicts of interest and disclosures" — earlier this week.
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) September 20, 2024
From the reports I’ve read, it seems to be a Scorpion-and-Frog narrative, where both parties feel themselves the victim. Bobby Jr. lives by the mantra Can’t blame a guy for trying, and Olivia made her bones murmuring Fascinating… tell me more about yourself. The most obvious result of their ‘nonphysical romantic relationship’ was a story titled “The Mind-Bending Politics of RFK Jr.’s Spoiler Campaign” (2023), which can in no sense be mistaken for a beat-sweetener.
For the new issue of @NYMag, I went hiking with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. https://t.co/qOGAvDFfbr
— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) November 22, 2023
Leni Riefenstahl was a "humanizer" too. https://t.co/a6bVawuAYV
— Irie DC (@irieDC) September 13, 2024
not really a numbers guy but feel certain that if NYMag tweaked the hed/dek + blasted this back out across all its channels + newsletters + TiksTok and what not, it would hit its traffic quota for the rest of the decade https://t.co/2J9mKHyHwK
— Siddhartha Mahanta (@sidhubaba) September 20, 2024
Olivia Nuzzi is the Maggie Haberman of Andrea Mitchells.
"I just love to cover him." pic.twitter.com/bRFB6YkNxN
— Dean Gloster (@deangloster) September 20, 2024
Speaking of Maggie Haberman: It’s fortunate for her career that she is, to put it delicately, absolutely not TFG’s “type”. She’s still butthurt about peoples’ very cruel, hurtful interpretations of her biggest career success, though…
Maggie Haberman tells NPR that there is an "industry" dedicated to "attacking the media" from the left for its Trump coverage, which is "undermining faith" in journalism.
There is no such industry. Just a bunch of people who want better journalism.https://t.co/qviwtuln70 pic.twitter.com/7GzrFUiVf7
— Dan Froomkin (PressWatchers.org) (@froomkin) September 19, 2024
(And probably a little pissed that Nuzzi is getting so much attention, TBH.)
“He's one of the most effective compartmentalizers I've ever seen in my life”- Maggie Haberman
COVID deaths,caged babies, stolen documents, sexual assault, election fraud, racism, Jan 6,
sexism,transphobia,lies and insults. Yeah @maggieNYT
he’s really amazing. https://t.co/YOYI9IyCAy pic.twitter.com/lINTDvrThV— Harris-Walz 2024 (@GregProops) September 19, 2024
On The Road – TKH – Roper’s Sierra High Route Devil’s Postpile to Tuolumne Meadows Part 2
rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone 😊 😊 😊
rikyrah
Phuck Haberman
She and her ilk spent four years gaslighting us as they tried to normalize the Orange Menace 😡😡😡
Czar Chasm
Good morning!
RFK has responded, apparently.
Link to Newsweek article
rikyrah
@Czar Chasm:
Uh huh
Uh huh 🤔
Chris
There’s nothing wrong with “humanizing” Trump if by that you mean “Trump is an extreme but real example of the depths to which humanity can sink.” Humanity’s got as much bad as good.
But for some reason people always think that “humanize” means “sympathize,” and instead of an honest portrayal of how shallow, petty, and narcissistic the species can be, attempts to “humanize” people like Trump basically turn into a fix fic, attempting to retcon how a person could possibly have had sympathetic motives for ending up as the kind of person who says, does, and believes the things they do.
No idea if that’s what’s happening here, but I’ve read enough such things that I’m not going to click and find out. We know what Trump is.
narya
@rikyrah: Good morning! And since it’s early in the thread, I want to thank you for the content you bring to the comments section here. Love the links and comments. (I’ve been really limiting my online content so I would absolutely miss it otherwise.)
Baud
On the Appalachian Trail!
Czar Chasm
@rikyrah: Yup! I just edited my comment for it to catch up where my brain was actually at.
Good morning! 😅
Baud
Pretty insulting to equate the left with “industry.”
Raoul Paste
Searching for Trump‘s humanity. Yeah, good luck with that. Just another aspect of the corruption that plagues us.
frosty
@Baud: My first thought too!!!
Soprano2
I listened to most of that “Fresh Air” interview yesterday. When she said that thing about how she thinks the press has done a good job covering TCFG, I would have spit all over my monitor if I had been drinking anything. I would like to see someone challenge her with specific examples of where they’ve cleaned up the things he said, or omitted the inflammatory things he always says, and ask her if she thinks it’s responsible for them to do that. I think he asked her about “sanewashing” and she dismissed it. I think she’s so far inside the bubble that she can’t see how it looks to people out here.
rikyrah
Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) posted at 7:01 AM on Fri, Sep 20, 2024:
Good morning everyone, and since there are no grown-ups in the Republican party left, Mark Robinson did not drop out before midnight last night and therefore y’all are stuck with him.
MAGA!
(https://x.com/TheRickWilson/status/1837099712945475588?t=Qh5OlcbPkRTNpMePlReY0Q&s=03)
sab
@narya: Agreed. I always want to say good morning back to rikyrah, but I feel I don’t have enough stature.
Chris
I just love “there is an industry” dedicated to attacking the media. And the definition of that industry, that familiar, always-present, never-defined, perfect bogeyman, “the left.”
Who the fuck is this industry, Maggie? Surely you can name writers and speakers who are part of it? Channels or magazines or websites that carry its content? Donors that fund its existence and its relentless attacks? Politicians that are affiliated with it and whose ideology might give us some clue as to what it wants? The demographics of readers and listeners who consume it? I mean, we’re not talking some kids vandalizing the walls of the New York Times building, Maggie, this is a no-shit industry. Isn’t that right? Some specifics shouldn’t be hard to come by.
WaterGirl
@rikyrah: Four years? :-)
WaterGirl
@Baud: You stole my line!
peter
Wow, that’s some weapons-grade whining from Maggie Haberman. No wonder she and TCFG are so simpatico.
Scout211
It’s always nice to read about a judge’s ruling that thwarts an attempt by Republicans to limit voting (in mostly Democratic areas).
Mousebumples
Good morning, all!
I don’t want to know what news has been saved for the Friday news dump… 😵💫
Soprano2
@Baud: I wish he had asked her how she sees the constant attacks on the press from the right. They’ve been doing that since at least the ’90’s, if not earlier. I think they’ve internalized the reality of those attacks so much that they don’t even notice them anymore.
Baud
@Soprano2:
comrade scotts agenda of rage
The fact that Maga Habs can unironically utter:
“…this industry that exists to attack the press broadly”
is all anyone needs to see to understand just how broken our press is and the feckless shitheels like her who are part of it’s ecosphere.
bluefoot
@rikyrah:
Good morning!
I recall being tickled when I found out Stacey Abrams is a science fiction fan. I recall she did a couple GOTV events with the actors from Supernatural a few years ago so I like that she’s continuing with Star Trek.
Jeffro
Doesn’t going hiking together always end up as “going hiking” together? 😁
pajaro
Because so much of what Trump does he does openly and in public, the access journalism that Maggie provides is kind of useless. I no longer think she’s the worst–those who sanewash Trump by cleaning up his ravings and then fail to fact check them in real time are doing more harm than she is. But she provides precious little of value. Also, she is a walking conflict of interest. There’s stuff in her books that she fails to include in her stories, which is a disservice to the public, and her need to to maintain access causes her to pull her punches.
JMG
Haberman has the worst case of rabbit ears (ancient baseball expression for a player who can’t take fan criticism) in journalism. As for Nuzzi, what she did was a violation of one of the news business’s prime directives, one that as she discovered as there to protect the reporter as well as the business itself.
SW
“A romantic relationship”
Flowers and chocolate?
SiubhanDuinne
This has me laughing like a drain. Perfect!
JML
The fact that Haberman doesn’t understand that the media’s failure to cover TFG in a way that resembles the standards that other candidates are held to and accurately report what he actually says and does consistently, instead of filter it for him, while prioritizing their access to him and his people above all things is what’s undermined confidence in the political media shows just how lost in the hall of mirrors she truly is. The political media has failed, and done it in obvious and public ways, and it’s not just journalism professors tut-tutting from Columbia that have noticed it…it’s regular humans.
Mags ain’t the only offender, just one of the most mendacious.
Chris
@JMG:
Which is quite a feat. She’s up against some pretty stiff competition.
Jeffro
WaPo has a piece up about how GOP officials are ‘troubled’ by trump’s “unorthodox “ economic proposals.
This ‘trouble’ is causing them to ‘look away’. No, really 🙄
I demand that the GOP change its mascot from an elephant to an ostrich. Or a worm – that would be good, too. Something utterly spineless. But ostrich is even better.
bluefoot
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: Well, maybe she’s high enough on her own supply that she considers the FTFNYT the definition of the press, so criticizing the Times is “attacking the press broadly.”
That is the most generous reading I can give of what she said…
K-Mo
Haberman to me is just another person who has responded to the incentives placed in front of her and has built her sense of it all backwards from the premise that what she does is awesome, rather than developing a sense of it all independently and then trying to live up to it.
In her bubble all the people who don’t think she is awesome are conspiring, or at the least, working a cynical angle.
SatanicPanic
I really don’t get why we’re supposed to care about Maggie’s stories anyway. I’m pretty sure any of us can guess Trumps mood at any given time. If there’s good news he’s happy, bad news he’s mad. He’s not a complicated man. What are we supposed to do with this information anyway?
JCJ
@Mousebumples: As a fellow Wisconsinite and Milwaukee Bucks fan I wanted to see you in the comments to brag – I went to a fund raiser for Tammy Baldwin at the Fiserv Forum (Bucks arena for non Milwaukeeans) last Friday that was hosted by Peter Feigen (VP of the Bucks) and Doc Rivers. Coach Rivers spoke a little about the Bucks upcoming season then Senator Baldwin spoke about her campaign and what she has done in the senate. It was pretty neat.
catclub
@Czar Chasm: great nym!
K-Mo
The Nuzzi thing is thoroughly distressing. Just such a waste of talent. A lost soul bereft of worldly wisdom who fancies herself a savant of savvy
Soprano2
@Jeffro: Do these people realize he’s the head of their party now, so his proposals are theirs too? They could have headed this all off by convicting him in the second impeachment, but they were too cowardly to do that, so now they’re stuck with his “unorthodox” economic proposals (I guess they’re afraid to say “crazy”).
Do you think TCFG understands that he cannot write an executive order to mandate that credit card company interest is less than 10%? He would need Congress to pass a law to do that.
PJ
Yeah I’ll sure miss that renowned wit that Nuzzi had, like when she compared Obama to an ape, and said Biden was like “something not of this earth” that was being hidden by the White House, while Trump was some kind of superhuman hero. She’s just another ambitious white supremacist who went to college and wanted to climb the food chain.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@SiubhanDuinne:
I was trying to come up with one along the same lines:
“maggie haberman is the andrea mitchell of…”
but then stumbled onto another variation of the first one:
“Katy Tur is the Maggie Haberman of Andrea Mitchells”
Maga Habs is the classic legacy hire, someone born into affluence and connections. Otherwise, we’d have never heard of her…Reason 45,649.56 of proof there is no god.
Gin & Tonic
A local road I travel frequently has a union hall and training facility for the “Operating Engineers” local (cranes, bulldozers, etc.) I always assumed it was pretty Trumpy, with the pickup trucks in the parking lot and the “blue line” flag on the flagpole. Yesterday I drove by and there were several “Union Labor for Harris” signs out front.
prostratedragon
“Something’s Going On,” Kokoroko
Baud
@Gin & Tonic:
👍
catclub
@Gin & Tonic: wow. great!
Spanky
@SiubhanDuinne:
That’s a new one on me.
Spanky
@Chris:
I thought that was Olivia Nuzzi
/Rimshot!
Jeffro
@Spanky: d’oh!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Mousebumples
@JCJ: aw, that sounds like fun! We drove into Appleton last night to see some Whose Line guys (Stiles and Proops were the ones I recognized, though Laura Gall was also there on keyboard). They totally made a few political jokes – Sen Johnson dropping some Russian secrets, got example. It was fun.
Had some trouble finding a place for dinner beforehand since all the walkable places were loooong waits. Ended up at Basil’s Cafe, which had some great Thai food, if anyone is ever in that neck of the woods.
BR
The reason the higher-ups at NYT praise Haberman constantly, just like NY Mag’s higher ups say they stand by Nuzzi’s work, is that to not close ranks would speak to their poor judgement — in commissioning the articles that their reporters wrote, in doing a poor job editing them, etc.
Capri
The false equivalence is what gets me. Criticism from the right – Every elected GOP official. Every conservative voice with any agency. Fox simultaneously crows that it’s the most watched media outlet in the country while demonizing the “main stream media.”
Criticism from the left – random podcasters and the comments section of lefty sites. Even the high profile left podcasters defend her.
narya
@Mousebumples: One of my BFFs lives in Appleton! Just moved there a few years ago after retiring–she found a house across the street from one of her kids. She’s been liking it a lot.
SiubhanDuinne
@Spanky:
I think it’s a Britishism, and may well be obsolete at this point. But I’ve always liked it.
Baud
@Capri:
Mainstream media owns many liberals and it doesn’t want to lose that audience if liberals wise up.
Mousebumples
@narya: glad to hear she’s enjoying it! We don’t get there a ton, but it’s drivable (on a work/school night) and the PAC has nice shows.
BR
It’s a bit unfortunate for Harris that every big event she has had lately — last night’s event with Oprah, the debate, the convention speech — has gotten drowned out the next day by media coverage of other nonsense.
p.a.
Is our journamalists learning?
No. That’s why they’re journamalists!
Chris
@Baud:
Mainstream media is produced by conservatives to be consumed by liberals, as a result ending up in this weird spot that isn’t really anybody’s bag.
Too many liberals mistake this for objectivity.
Baud
@BR:
I don’t think she’s been drowned out, and the media isn’t going to obsess about campaign events in a beneficial way anyway.
Our future is alternative media.
different-church-lady
What happened to the “Kamala Harris and Oprah Live” thread from last night?
different-church-lady
Well, at least New York Magazine has some standards.
The Other Bob
@bluefoot: In case you missed it she plays the President of Earth on Star Trek Discovery. It was a perfect part.
sab
@BR: Thatis what they do. It is deliberate, not accidental.
Jackie
Don’t know if this was posted?
The voting news from NC keeps getting better for Dems!
Old School
@different-church-lady:
Not sure. There was speculation on a different post that it had something to do with the comments on that thread, but I didn’t get to see that thread so I’m just passing along rumors.
O. Felix Culpa
Has Omnes been around recently?
comrade scotts agenda of rage
From Driftglass:
And equally pertinent, from the comments:
Matt McIrvin
@Chris: I think a lot of liberals actively seek out stuff that disparages them from the right. They want it. It makes them feel even-handed and courageous.
(I do the same thing with the fringe left so I can’t really talk. But part of what’s going on with me is that I used to do this with the right and kind of got it burned out of me by the experience of the Bush years. But a lot of liberals aren’t like that for some reason.)
gene108
https://www.notus.org/florida/new-court-filings-matt-gaetz-dorworth-sex-party
Read the whole thing. Multiple people were deposed and put Gaetz as one of the party goers, including his ex-girlfriend.
I don’t know if his voters will care. I think he represents a very conservative district.
Hopefully this can be tied to the rest of the House GOP, like the Mark Foley scandal was, in the halcyon days of old, when corruption was generally viewed as bad.
piratedan
yawwwnnnn…. morning everyone. Weather forecast for today has a 20% chance of more political fallout from the events of yesterday as the fast moving front has a chance to linger with regards to additional shoes
Ukai
Looks like Matt Gaetz stepped in it, again.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/matt-gaetz-was-at-sex-and-drugs-party-with-high-school-junior-court-docs
Update: gene108 beat me to it.
different-church-lady
Just in case you thought you’d already seen the stupidest take possible on the Olivia Nuzzi thing.
BR
@different-church-lady:
I mean Nuzzi was posting racist stuff about Obama when he was president, so I don’t know why anyone expected better from her:
https://bsky.app/profile/paleofuture.bsky.social/post/3l4kpzfcff22g
Scout211
I did post it at #19, but posting it again for those who read from the last comment up is good. 😊
TS
trump can sell his shares today. Price change
The price of DJT shares has decreased $1.08 since the market last closed. This is a 7.35% drop.
Currently at $13.63. Wonder if he has started selling yet?
https://edition.cnn.com/markets/stocks/DJT
oldgold
OT.
Shohei Ohtani had a day yesterday that is among the greatest ever in baseball – 6 for 6, 3 HRs,10 RBIs and 2 SBs. In doing so, he became the first player to have 50 HRs and 50 SBs in the same season.
A few more years of this and Babe Ruth may have to rollover and tell Tchaikovsky the news – there is a new GOAT in town.
TBone
There is not enough caffeine in the coffee for me to care much about these pundit journalistic shenanigans – I’d have to chew on a power line to get enough energy to care.
The great news about our economy and everything else that is wonderful right now (tonic masculinity, a Black woman rising to lead us and defeat that ball gargling thundertwat in plain view of the entire world, President Biden still doing his thing, etc.) is easy to contemplate and savor this morning.
Ahhhhh (*big deep breaths of fresh air)
3Sice
Well, some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory
Of lighted streets on quiet nights
narya
@O. Felix Culpa: I’ve seen him on bsky w/in the last day and maaaaybe a comment here recently?
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@oldgold:
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/whats-next-for-shohei-ohtani-the-most-talented-player-in-baseball-history-is-finally-heading-to-the-playoffs/
Puts what he’s done/doing in a bit of context. He’s incredible. Too bad he plays for the Fucking Yankees of the West Coast™. OTOH, as pointed out in the article, that’s probably a good thing for baseball writ large as opposed to him being with the hapless Angels.
Chris
@Matt McIrvin:
Yeah, absolutely. It gives them that little thrill of knowing that they’re well-informed citizens who aren’t afraid to hear things that challenges them and makes them uncomfortable. It also reassures them that the media they’re reading is objective and unbiased, or at least trying as hard as it can to be, and not to let its own prejudices get in the way (since Everybody Knows that all the media people are liberals).
Apparently, nobody ever told them that just because something challenges you and makes you uncomfortable doesn’t mean it’s real.
O. Felix Culpa
@narya: Thanks! That’s a relief.
TaMara
Busy morning, so I don’t have time or desire to read all the comments, but has this been noted yet? She’s always been trash.
BR
Trump’s comments about how he’ll blame Jews if he loses haven’t been lost in all the noise yesterday — it seems some of the media has picked it up.
Bart
Kamala Harris sits down for an interview with yet another publication that isn’t the NYT or the WaPo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9-cjwpthz4
narya
There are SO many Harris/Walz yard signs in my environs–but my favorite so far is one I saw yesterday that said “please, not HIM again” and then Harris/Walz underneath that. Now that I think about it, it’s in the general vicinity of my favorite Clinton sign: “Clinton/Kaine. Duh.”
Gin & Tonic
@different-church-lady: Links to that blog need a trigger warning, IMO.
Jackie
@Baud: Harris is campaigning for abortion rights in Georgia today. After two (that we know of) women died from treatable abortion health care that went untreated, this event will be emotionally charged.
gene108
@Capri:
NYT comments section can also get critical of their obvious slanted coverage. Plus, late night comedians will take digs at their false equivalence reporting, and have been doing it for about 20 years now, since the Iraq War.
I think what’s hurt major national media outlets like the NYT is not competition from the internet, but rather an increasing unwillingness to listen to their customers and potential customers about ways to improve their product, ie reporting.
From a business point of view, it makes no sense. There’s no evaluation of what the criticism is and if it has merit. It’s dismissed out of hand.
I can even understand Ford’s decision to not recall the Pinto, as a classic example of short sighted thinking, because they thought settling lawsuits would be cheaper. There’s an actual (perverse) business reason for it.
There’s no bottom line, short or long term, benefit in deciding to alienate their news consuming customers. There’s no sunk cost that went into producing a car, for example, where there’s an actual cost to recall and repair.
There’s a bunch of underemployed reporters and editors out there, who’d love a shot at fixing an outfit like the NYT political reporting. People willing to listen to subscribers criticism.
I just don’t get this unshakable desire to never change, from places like the NYT, when meeting customers fair demands would boost business.
TBone
I dunno if I could watch that much Cruz 🤮 but I bet the highlights are gonna be epic.
https://x.com/JasonWhitely/status/1837129516977623390
lowtechcyclist
@Chris:
As distinct from Trump rallies, where he has only nice things to say about the media, and his fans think they’re the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Sheesh, the mainstream GOP (not even talking about the Birchers or anyone like that) has been routinely attacking the media since Nixon. (If not earlier: Nixon’s just as far back as I was paying enough attention to notice.)
narya
Okay, I have no idea how to do a proper quote skeet in this comments section, so I’ll paste this from @rningscissors.bsky.social because it made me actually laugh out loud and I needed that:
my friend gets a call from her 6-yr-old’s teacher bc he rhymed ‘corn’ with ‘porn’ on an assignment
Mom: hey, how do you know this word?
Son: dad says it all the time
M: (trying to stay calm) When does dad say it? What do you mean?
S: You know…like, “I’m porn a glass of milk” (Dad from Alabama)
zhena gogolia
@different-church-lady: TaMara pulled it. People discussed the event in the next couple of threads.
BR
@Bart:
Awesome. I have been waiting for this phase of the campaign where Harris and Walz do random podcasts and youtube shows. The subway takes thing Walz did was so good but it felt like a one off. I hope they do a million of these things.
gene108
@BR:
She wrote a good tear down of Rudy, when Trump was President.
Maybe a few other salacious articles of MAGA’s?
I guess people thought tearing down Trump’s friends was her beat.
Matt McIrvin
@different-church-lady: Looks like Campos has been staring at political gossip for so long that his brain is melting. It happens even to the best of us.
zhena gogolia
Olivia Nuzzi is another name like Mark Robinson that I just can’t bring myself to investigate.
Chris
@gene108:
Heck, even New York Times writers occasionally make the same point.
“the mainstream media are fanatically determined to seem evenhanded. One of the great jokes of American politics is the insistence by conservatives that the media have a liberal bias. The truth is that reporters have failed to call Mr. Bush to account on even the most outrageous misstatements, presumably for fear that they might be accused of partisanship. If a presidential candidate were to declare that the earth is flat, you would be sure to see a news analysis under the headline ”Shape of the Planet: Both Sides Have a Point.” After all, the earth isn’t perfectly spherical.”
That was Paul Krugman writing in 2000. It’s only gotten worse since then. (I suspect they’ve had many times when they regretted hiring him).
Jackie
@Scout211: I usually read top to bottom, but the thread was already at 60+ posts and the article was new in my news feed, so I took a gamble… Good news is always worth repeating 😁
I got flu and Covid vacs yesterday so I’m feeling a bit lethargic and slept in a bit. Deadly, when trying to keep up with ET zone early birds!
Eolirin
@TBone: If that goes really well for Allred, like Harris/Trump level clubbing, and Trump manages to actually implode and depress turnout, maybe we have a shot at Texas.
But I doubt it.
Matt McIrvin
@Eolirin: We always maybe have a shot at Texas, but never actually have a shot at Texas.
Jackie
@TS:
TCFG PROMISED he wouldn’t sell and he always keeps his promises… 🙄
lowtechcyclist
@Jeffro:
Are they also ‘troubled’ by his and JV’s blood libel of Haitian-Americans? And the way they’re warming up their fan base for a pogrom against them?
Or does that, too, cause them to just ‘look away’?
Because we’re getting rather close to “First they came for the Haitians” territory.
Everybody gets to write their own personal next line.
gene108
@narya:
LOL! 😂
There are a few social media channels (ETA) & videos about early elementary school teachers or parents of those kids having to be very discerning in what the kids actually mean.
“My parents have a lot of ‘weed’”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HKIyCtm_G6Y&pp=ygUdTXkgcGFyZW50cyBoYXZlIGEgbG90IG9mIHdlZWY%3D
jonas
@TaMara: Not sure, but the #tcot hashtag there I think is sort of doing the same irony work as “Shorter wingnut: …” or something. Stupid tweet, though, because it could easily be construed as her viewpoint, not the ones she’s reporting on.
Matt McIrvin
@Chris: It’s gotten worse: Krugman used flat-earthism as a hyperbolic metaphor, but now you have QAnon-adjacent people literally insisting the Earth is flat, and if there aren’t already any elected officials insisting on it I suspect it’s only a matter of time.
TBone
@Eolirin: as always, I remain hopeful. I don’t see how Cruz could not lose this in light of his *waves hand* everything, and like Dumbvict, once the people see him at length, the instant revulsion he inspires will be remembered. I don’t see how he could attempt domination without shooting himself in the foot, but anything is possible.
🎶
https://youtu.be/FudrQLIodp0
Scout211
The current business model in political journalism seems less like news and information and more like a method of generating demand for their product. Those who criticize the reporting have actually read the reporting and that’s a win for the current business model. Political reporters seem more like social media influencers with journalism degrees than what we think of as reporters or journalists in the traditional sense.
But I’m just preaching to the choir here. We all know this, but returning to a more traditional model of news to inform the public? IMHO, I don’t think it’s going to happen by reader criticisms. Those criticisms represent views and engagement to them and that boosts their product. And it just makes them believe that are on the right track. Sigh.
Matt McIrvin
@gene108: My understanding is that the NYT’s current stance is helping their subscription numbers. They’re actually going where the money is.
gene108
@TBone:
Very few debates for governor or Congress draw the live viewership a Presidential debate does. Most people, I think, just read the headlines about who said what.
Chris
@Matt McIrvin:
I’ve started getting flat-earther crap pushed at me through the Facebook algorithm.
gene108
@Matt McIrvin:
I thought they made their money from online versions of their crossword puzzle, Wordle, and recipes, and not so much from the news side of the business.
Kay
Tara Palmeri
@tarapalmeri
NEW: The mood in Mar-a-lago is grim with death threats, uncertainty about state of the race & sprawling Iranian hacks that seem to extend beyond the campaign to Trump’s legal team. I should know, the hacker sent me these sensitive docs (which I’m not publishing)
If this were an actual competitive industry someone would have broken ranks and published the hacked material.
They all published the Clinton hack in lockstep, now they’re lockstep protecting Trump.
Gross, lemming – like behavior.
Sure Lurkalot
All these fucked up people
Where do they all come from?
All these fucked up people
Where do they all belong?
H/T and apologies: The Beatles
KatKapCC
@Jeffro: It’s the outdoorsy equivalent of “Would you like to come in for a cup of coffee?”
Jackie
@TBone: Oct 15! Allred vs Cancun! Hopefully C-Span covers it!🤞🏻
different-church-lady
@TaMara: I’ve no interest in defending Nuzzi, but near as I can tell from what others have been saying she was doing a parody of conservatives with that one.
Jackie
@narya: 😂🤣😂
SiubhanDuinne
@Bart:
That whole thing was a treat! Thank you.
KatKapCC
@PJ:
Holy crap. She did???
different-church-lady
@Gin & Tonic: Noted for the future.
Sad that they let just two of the front pagers totally trash the reputation of the joint.
Kayla Rudbek
@gene108: if we can change just one thing, they lose. It’s like the scene in the Belgariad where Garion breaks the god Torak before killing him.
Matt McIrvin
@Chris: If you’re interested in space/astronomy stuff, Facebook will serve you a lot of spammy groups that just repost astronomical photos (often with misattribution), and since those are completely unmoderated, the comments are filled with flat-earth and “space is fake!” conspiracy nutters and trolls and people fighting with them, to the point that no other discussion is possible.
I started aggressively rejecting those–I only read a couple of groups on the subject that are actively weeded by their creators. Works much better.
TBone
@gene108: I expect this one will make more than a few headlines, but as always, I could be wrong. It’s a new and different political scene these days.
Mousebumples
@O. Felix Culpa: saw him on bsky the other day. Not sure if he’s been in the comments, though
Eta – @narya got there first.
TBone
@Jackie: 👍
SatanicPanic
@oldgold: That’s incredible. I don’t know how this guy is so good at everything.
3Sice
@Jackie:
“Social media empire”
Right.
AWOL
@oldgold: Nah. The SBs stats are Manfredian nonsense. Babe Ruth utterly revolutionized the game—even in the Deadball Era he was hitting more HRs on his own than entire opposing teams.
They need to cover up a $700M PR investment who deferred his salary to game the system for his team and the fact that he may have had someone take a fall for him in a scandal.
KatKapCC
@different-church-lady:
Is he trying to be satirical?? Or does he really mean this? Either way, it’s stupid.
Kayla Rudbek
@Matt McIrvin: you can buy tshirts with the NASA meatball logo and instead of NASA, the wording, “Not flat, we checked”. I’m seriously wondering if NASA has that as a trademark yet.
Soprano2
@p.a.: This morning on the domestic roundup on 1A Alex Thompson talked about an article he’s written about the amount of interviews Harris/Walz and TCFG/Vance have done with the press since July 21st. It was whining about how many fewer interviews the Democrats have done. I commented on FB that she had other, more important things to do like standing up a campaign and picking a VP. There was also the “she says she’s reaching other through other, non-conventional outlets” whining. Do they not see how many more rallies and events she’s doing than TCFG is? Sheesh…..
Chris
@Kay:
If the Iran hacks are real, it’s interesting to see a Russian client state (though at this point it might be the other way around) going after Russia’s favorite son in American politics.
It’s rational, of course: any Republican’s election is a threat to Iran in a way that it isn’t to Russia or most of its friends, and all the more so given the current shit-show in the Middle East. Russia’s investment in Trump is also rational, so far as it goes: if he’s elected, they finally get what they want in Ukraine. But it’s still interesting that this has left two fairly close-allies at cross-purposes when it comes to the politics of their most powerful enemy.
UncleEbeneezer
lowtechcyclist
@TS:
Trump has at least 114 million shares of DJT, so at $13.63/share that’s still more than $1.5B. Would be nice if it were waaaay lower than that.
Of course, once he starts selling (assuming he does) the price will drop like a rock, even from its current valuation.
Chris
@Matt McIrvin:
That might explain it – I respond a lot more to science-fiction stuff on Facebook than actual space stuff, but the two are close enough that the algorithm may not make the difference.
Kay
I’m in Michigan at the Lake and one of my neighbors has a Bush/Cheney ’04 sign up. A disgruntled Republican.
BR
@Kay:
Nice. I was wondering when the old school conservatives would start showing their colors.
tam1MI
On the other hand, Haberman whining about the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy To Make Her Look Bad suggests that the criticisms are making an impact.
Czar Chasm
@catclub: Thanks! It’s been my online persona for over 30 years.
Kay
@Chris:
No explanation for the disparate treatment, no apology, just an arrogant assumption by media that we’ll all continue to purchase this low quality product they churn out.
100% about them and their stupid careers.
Chris
@Kay:
“I wanted Darth Vader and all I got was Kylo Ren!”
Captain C
@Chris: “I mean, you’re a journalist, Mags. Isn’t it your job to find out these sort of things? Or are we just supposed to believe you despite you not providing any details, or any evidence at all besides that you’re all butthurt from being called out?”
SatanicPanic
@KatKapCC: Campos became widely known for his “law school is a waste of your money” stance which was broadly correct but everything else that guy comes up with is pretty fucking weird.
Anyone else remember his Eliot Broidy thing? He was hyping that he had inside information about some scandal related to him and Trump for months and then… nothing. Just totally dropped the subject. I got kicked off for mocking his hand-wringing too much.
Kay
@BR:
One fewer Trump vote in Michigan! Maybe two – they’re an older couple.
tam1MI
How much of this is their “current stance” and how much is Wordle and recipes? I’m willing to bet that their News/Opinion units are actually loss leaders for them.
Captain C
@peter:
“Goddamn it, I write for the New York Tiiiimmmeees! You’re supposed to defer to me and my expert knowledge by default! I don’t have to explain myself to the likes of you!”
Eolirin
@Chris: There’s also a very personal grudge against Trump, and credible reporting that they’re trying to have him assassinated, given the Soleimani assassination.
different-church-lady
@KatKapCC: By answering this question I am tacitly admitting that Campos inhabits my crawlspace. Nonetheless…
My read is that Campos tries to hide his neurotic insecurities and idiotic political obsessions behind a facade of gently self-effacing humor. But by doing so he’s really hiding from some moderate dysfunction in his psyche.
I worry about him a bit, because it doesn’t seem like he chooses this. (Unlike one of his notorious colleagues…)
Matt McIrvin
@Chris: I started thinking “the Facebook algorithm can’t convince me the earth is flat but it could sure convince me that MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE the earth is flat, if I don’t start actively pruning this stuff.”
And the groups they dominate are no good anyway–often they have names like “Neil DeGrasse Tyson” (not actually associated wtih Neil DeGrasse Tyson) and the posts are just filched photos from random other groups and websites, reposted with bogus captions like “the clearest picture of Mars ever” (it’s never the clearest picture of Mars ever, since the clearest pictures of Mars were taken from a distance of centimeters by probes actually on Mars).
Kay
@SatanicPanic:
I think it’s plausible Nuzzi did it for her upcoming career as a contrarian. These people aren’t ideological – they’re wholly self centered careerists.
KatKapCC
@different-church-lady: Big shock that she doesn’t know how to do parody. Because unless you are so well-known that everyone who sees the tweet is 100% certain about your politics, writing it like she did does nothing to convey satire. If you’re going to satirize a viewpoint, you have to exaggerate it to make it clear to people who don’t know who you are — which, with Nuzzi, especially at the time of that tweet, would be a lot of people — that it’s meant to be satire. Write it in all caps with like ten exclamation points and a bunch of silly hashtags. Someone who knew nothing about her would see that tweet and easily assume it was her real view.
Captain C
@SW:
Brainworms and ‘roids.
different-church-lady
@SatanicPanic:
It certainly seems to have been a waste of his money…
rikyrah
@sab:
You guys are cracking me up. I love the morning threads. :)
Geminid
@gene108: Matt Gaetz will likely win reelection to the House, but he wants to run for Governor in 2026 and this will hurt his prospects.
rikyrah
@Chris:
They are so mad that folks are coming at them with receipts.
We heard in phucking court how you were on speeddial, Maggie.
We knew, in real time, that you were nothing but a Trump Stenographer, and got confirmation in open court.
Kay
@Captain C:
I think she’s right in the sense that there are people who make money from a liberal online persona and “rage farming” – that group exists – but calling it an “industry” and whining that she is criticized by them is dumb.
She does the same godammned thing. She makes tv appearances and sells books and promotes her own career on social media.
twbrandt
Harris’ talk with Oprah Winfrey in Farmington Hills, MI is currently the top story on the Detroit Free Press website.
Jackie
Heh!
Will unendorsing Robinson be TCFG’s next move? Robinson’s as vindictive as DonOLD, so this might become an interesting predicament! Robinson’s got nuttin to lose, at this point.
3Sice
Rumors that Don Jr. has found someone else.
If those two crackheads can’t make it, what hope is there for the rest of us?
geg6
@different-church-lady:
Seriously. I always knew Loomis was a jackass, but Campos seems to be following in his footsteps. Very disappointing.
SiubhanDuinne
@Captain C:
With fava beans and a nice glass of
Chiantiwhale juice.rikyrah
@WaterGirl:
Just talking about the Orange Menace’s term.
Then, they spent Biden’s term proving to us that yes, you muthaphuckas were gaslighting us.
As we call them on it, with actual examples from the Orange Menace’s term…then, we have become an ‘ industry’.
Captain C
@oldgold:
At that point, Ohtani might be the best ever, but right now he’s 7 rings short of Ruth.
SatanicPanic
@Kay: could be, but Campos, as usual, doesn’t have a lot of evidence for his claim
Chris
@SatanicPanic:
I don’t know if I never noticed it before or if the recent shit-show just made it impossible to ignore, but the Biden Has Parkinsons story has pretty much made it incontrovertible that, yeah, that guy has some serious brain worms going on.
Although I always thought there was something weird about his Harry Truman obsession, too.
BR
I keep hoping Harris and Walz will add a line to their “$25k for first time homebuyers” — that “Wall Street has been buying up houses and driving up the price in many neighborhoods, and this will help level the playing field for working families looking to get their first house who might be competing with a bank that’s trying to buy that same house.”
The sort of knee jerk economics reaction to this is “this will just raise the price of houses by 25k” and while it will raise it a little bit, most houses aren’t being bought by *first time* buyers — the average family only stays in a house for about 7 years, so they have equity from a previous house they’re bringing to the table, not to mention Wall Street buying.
BR
Dems in NC are on top of the Mark Robinson situation. I just got a text from a NC state house campaign with a photo of his opponent with Mark Robinson.
Dave
@Chris: God I rarely log on but made the mistake of clicking on something that is pushing the Mudflood Tartian Empire crap that makes Flat Earth seem reasonable and then liking someone who responded with a fleshed out “well this is fucking stupid” and my feed has been nothing but absolute brain worm induced insanity.
Such a useful platform.
geg6
@3Sice:
Oh lord. There are actually two women in the world that hate themselves that much?
Chris
@Eolirin:
That would be suicidal, IMHO: I really hope it’s not true, because even a Democratic president wouldn’t respond to the assassination of a former U.S. president as anything other than an act of war, and then react accordingly. (Yes, I’m aware of the hypocrisy involved given that assassinating Soleimani was likewise an act of war. Nevertheless, there you are).
But they definitely have a grudge, so it’s not surprising that they’d at the very least be shoving sticks in his campaign’s spokes. There’s lots of things that they can get away with short of outright assassination.
Matt McIrvin
@SatanicPanic: Yeah, something about how Elliot Broidy’s affair was really him covering for Trump having an affair, or… something like that. I could never really get the details straight.
It reminded me a bit of Andrew Sullivan’s Sarah Palin pregnancy conspiracy theory–you may be going after people I hate but you’re still nutty and gross.
Baud
@O. Felix Culpa:
No, he’s been missing, but not for that long yet.
TBone
Marianne Williamson has xitted that voodoo is completely real yadda yadda and a commenter elsewhere says “If voodoo were real, wouldn’t the Hatians have already solved the bomb threat problem?”
Chris
@Matt McIrvin:
That’s the real damage of Facebook turning into a right-wing puke funnel, yeah: the people behind these things really want to convince people that a whole barrel of far-right conspiracy theories and obsessions are far more mainstream than they are. (With a side order of “well, if we get enough eyeballs to see this, maybe we can MAKE it mainstream!”)
different-church-lady
@Chris: This might be mean, but fuck it: I totally understand why his university would want to can his ass.
Dave
@Kay: Which is another example of the sort of false equivalence they thrive on. There are liberal and left online grifters that benefit from this behavior but it is candle to a wildfire of the way the right operates and has operated for decades now.
SatanicPanic
@3Sice: Fingers crossed this means we’ll be seeing less of Kimberly Guilfoyle.
@Chris: His “the obesity epidemic is a myth” crusade was what got me. like, what?
Geminid
@BR: I don’t know about American media, but both the Times of Israel and the Jerusalem Post had articles last night about Trump’s comments. I didn’t check but I expect they got a lot of attention from other Israeli news sites.
3Sice
@geg6:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2024/09/18/kimberly-guilfoyle-blindsided-by-donald-trump-jr-s-dalliance-with-palm-beach-socialite-report/
Jeffro
ALREADY VOTED EARLY THIS MORNING in VA-05! woot!!!
The line was out the door and what normally takes me 5 minutes took…10. ;)
FSM bless our election officials and LET’S GO BANK ALLLLLL THE VOTES EARLY, DEMS!
(I bet 80% or better of Albemarle County Democrats will have voted before October gets here)
Jeffro
At least it’s not one of those “Reagan/Bush ’84” t-shirts I have been seeing 1-2 of my fellow Gen X clowns sporting at rock concerts.
“Hi…I’m a complete loser. Isn’t this band great?”
cmorenc
@Jackie: However, don’t forget that the NC State Supreme Court flipped to GOP control in 2020, followed by the NC SCt re-hearing and overturning a decision a year earlier in which a differently-composed NC SCt found unconstitutional racial gerrymandering in the state’s congressional districting. The implication is that the trial court’s decision to deny the GOP objection to UNC allowing digital IDs for voter ID isn’t the final state of things if the state supreme court’s GOP majority decides to expedite involvement before students actually get the chance to vote.
PAM Dirac
@Captain C:
Our media betters are like the drumpfers in that almost all of their arguments are just one big whine of “don’t you know who I am?”
SatanicPanic
@Matt McIrvin: That’s it! Broidy was the fall guy for a Trump affair, supposedly. What got me was the teasing his source had something REALLY BIG that was going to come out. But nothing ever did.
Baud
@Jeffro:
👍
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@lowtechcyclist: Can he hide the sales by selling through third parties? I’m sure that’s illegal if so, but TFG and laws (shrug emoji).
TBone
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/09/white-dudes-harris-roll-out-10m-ad
Barbara
@K-Mo: I say this in all honesty. I have never read anything by Olivia Nuzzi that made me feel more enlightened about a subject. It has always seemed to me that Olivia Nuzzi cultivates line straddling and meaningless bon mots for their own sake, so that she can never be accused of having an outright opinion on anything. Compare her to David Roth at The Defector.
I no longer read Maggie Haberman — I never actually went out of my way to read her. She is a walking conflict of interest on at least three different levels and nothing she writes can be trusted.
PJ
@different-church-lady: “Oh, it was just ironic racism!” There is a tweet out there where she compares Obama to an ape baring his teeth to a child. She was friends with racist Milo Yiannopolous (sp?) and wrote a glowing profile of Mike Cernovich. She idolizes Ann Coulter. I have no doubt about her racism or her affection for the right wing.
catclub
@Matt McIrvin: yeah. until it is different it stays the same.
Geminid
@Eolirin: Last I heard, Mike Pompeo and John Bolton had extra protection because of their role in General Solemeini’s assasination. Solemeini was a charismatic leader and much-revered within the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, and they certainly would like to kill Trump. They wouldn’t take such a step without it being authorized by the Office of the Supreme Leader Khameini though, and there are reasons not to as someone points out below. I think that for now they just want to make Trump worry.
Scout211
Oh yes, I do agree with that. But whether the impact has a positive effect on her reporting is doubtful. Her whining is evidence that she is not a reporter, but a personality who thrives on the attention (no surprise). In fact, it’s more like she is trolling for more reactions, more views and more high profile attention. That just makes the business model of promoting the product more obvious to me. If high quality reporting was the aim, she would not be allowed to disparage the criticisms and smear them as a whole class of people who are attacking her. She would have responded not as a supposed victim, but as a reporter with at least some engagement on the actual issues.
catclub
@tam1MI:
WE were _given_ a games subscription.
Mousebumples
@Jeffro: my mail ballot is arriving todaaaay!
Happy voting!
Steve LaBonne
@Scout211: The right has been perfecting the art of working the refs for decades. We’re only just getting started. Give it time.
Chris
@Dave:
I’m reluctant to leave it mostly because it’s the only connection I have left to my high school and college communities – I’ve stayed in touch with close friends, but there’s still a whole bunch of people that I occasionally get curious about and think “hey, wonder what they’re up to now?” I may very well end up leaving it altogether, though. It’s so much worse now than it was even a mere five years ago.
(Facebook Memories does give me good laughs from time to time. Like a few days ago, when it showed me a post from 2008 where I was saying I didn’t like the new Facebook. Oh boy. Me-From-Sixteen-Years-Ago, you ain’t seen nothing yet!)
hueyplong
@lowtechcyclist: It seems nearly certain that, at some point, Trump will be the subject of an insider trading lawsuit related to his stock sale. Not saying he’ll lose it, but am saying he’ll be a defendant.
Dave
@PJ: There very much an element of unending carelessness to her and some similar folk. Not sure even she knows what she believes in if only because believing in things is not savvy.
Never mind that sort of half assed unexamined nihilism is a belief if a particularly crappy one there is an intelligence unmoored from any wisdom here and often this is fertile ground for reactionaries to exploit.
They almost never offer anything better of course and the rare cases where they might have a not terrible point or proscription it almost always irredeemably corrupt but they love the existence of the hollow Nuzzis of the world.
Dave
@Chris: That’s basically what I use it for to see pictures of my non insane classmates and few of my relatives cute kids and pets and that really is the best use of Facebook like anything online that isn’t heavily policed though it rapidly degenerates into a cesspool.
Steve LaBonne
@different-church-lady: I have had that thought myself. And Farley, who owns LGM, needs to fire his ass before he drags the blog down with him. Loomis at least provides quality labor content in between being a flaming asshole. Campos provides nothing of interest.
Chris
@Matt McIrvin:
That entire thing passed me by entirely, happy to say.
Man. Has he always been this crazy, and it’s just taken me this long to notice? I admit I was at LGM for the commenters more than the front-pagers, and it wasn’t unusual for me to skip or skim a post and jump down to seeing how the commenting community was doing that day, but man.
hueyplong
@Kay: “If this were an actual competitive industry someone would have broken ranks and published the hacked material.”
If you’re an optimist, you figure that eventually some single source will in fact publish it, the difference being that the revelation comes closer to the election day and does our side just as much (and possibly more) good than if it had come out sooner.
Admittedly, the last few years have been of a sort that doesn’t prompt optimism in the majority of people.
Dave
@Steve LaBonne: I read LGM enough that every time Loomis decides to troll his own readership I wonder why I bother then he posts something worthwhile and informative regarding labor.
That and the dedicated doomerism there has been somewhat mitigated of late.
Chris
@PAM Dirac:
They’re also like the drumpfers in that they seem to believe that just… existing, makes them some sort of all-around authority on just about everything.
Yes, “I’m a media pundit, therefore I know everything” is a better thing to say than “I’m a white man, therefore I know everything,” but not by that much.
dr. luba
Just seen on Twitter
Gee, I wonder why?
catclub
It seems to me that Haberman could have been useful if her reporting was on ‘who has access to Trump, and what ideas are they feeding him’
which is much more important than what Trump is doing at any given time.
brantl
@Chris: Humanize, typically means to make them seem more relatable. Trump, like most psychopaths, isn’t relatable.
brantl
@Chris: Why? Both are fundamentally stupid.
Melancholy Jaques
@gene108:
In their view, their customers are their advertisers; their product is their readers.
KatKapCC
@dr. luba: Hey, all that porn ain’t gonna watch itself.
catclub
@Melancholy Jaques: I would say that is much more true for Facebook now ( or google) than the NYT. I suspect a large fraction of their income is now subscriptions.
Baud
@dr. luba:
Only white people get to be Nazis.
Chris
@Steve LaBonne:
You could be forgiven for not even realizing that Farley owns it. Going by the day to day interactions and by who gets to do all the policing of not just commenters but other front-pagers, it’s for all intents and purposes Loomis’ blog.
Which is why I doubt that’ll happen.
PJ
@PJ: Here is the tweet: https://x.com/Olivianuzzi/status/444578831056515072
This is only funny if you’re a racist.
SatanicPanic
@Chris: It took me years to notice so don’t feel bad.
KatKapCC
Jeff Tiedrich on Mark Robinson:
Accurate!
KatKapCC
@PJ: Repugnant. What a horrid little twit she is.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@KatKapCC: machine learning works amazingly well for certain applications. /s
rikyrah
Florida Chris (@chrislongview) posted at 8:30 AM on Fri, Sep 20, 2024:
Kamala Harris did the WIRED Autocomplete Interview. The whole thing is great, but I clipped some of my favorite answers.
Here’s the opening. https://t.co/bRo294cPOP
(https://x.com/chrislongview/status/1837122112303071261?t=QwsYinJxHm7imDmAHOFClg&s=03)
catclub
@dr. luba:
They say Trump always doubles down. It ain’t true. There are various things that get quietly forgotten.
1. Melania’s Immigration details.
2. The concept of a plan for Health insurance.
3. non-GOP orthodox abortion opinions.
others?
Soprano2
Unfortunately, having supporters who have demonstrated that they are willing to commit violence for him makes people afraid of TCFG. They weren’t afraid of what Hillary would do to them. On the 1A FB page this morning I reminded a conservative who was scolding liberals about their rhetoric about TCFG that a person actually attacked Paul Pelosi with a hammer, and then a bunch of Republicans made jokes about it! Just gross, yet he’s not asking TCFG to tone down what he says.
catclub
@rikyrah: She is such a happy person. wow.
Matt McIrvin
@Jeffro: You’re the first actual 2024 general election voter I’ve heard from!
I don’t get to vote until sometime in early October.
Barbara
@Dave:
That should be Olivia Nuzzi’s motto, maybe even her epitaph. Everything she writes reinforces that essential point about her — the clever girl whose cleverness will not be penetrated by caring about something larger than herself.
Kosh III
@gene108:I just don’t get this unshakable desire to never change, from places like the NYT
It’s easy, just Sears or KMart.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Matt McIrvin:
It’s like controlled fusion on Earth, always 20 years off.
Melancholy Jaques
@catclub:
If she had done that, her sources would have immediately cut her off. No more of the insider dish that was her stock in trade.
Chris
@Dave:
Similarly in “this might be mean, but,” I will repeat my expectation that ten years from now, we’re going to check back in and find at least one of today’s LGM front-pagers is now wearing a MAGA hat and telling people to snort Ivermectin. Always thought Loomis would get there first, but after Parkinsongate, Campos might be the better bet.
They remind me of Matt Taibbi. He also used to write stuff that was genuinely good and genuinely liberal (as opposed to a lot of other celebrities from Greenwald to Vance that were once popular among liberals but never really part of them), but also got a brain bug about other liberals not showing him the proper respect (in Taibbi’s case, feminists, and boy were they right), started seeking comfort in other places, started devoting more and more time to fighting them instead of the fash, and in a few years, voila, Trump voter.
There’s a similar brain bug in not all, but some, LGM front-pagers. There’s an active and barely concealed resentment for their liberal audience that I’ve never seen at any other blog for not showing them the same respect and deference that, say, the equivalent right-wing blogger would be getting. It’s been growing more and more in the last few years, and as we saw this summer, they are in fact completely willing to draw mangoes straight from the QAnon fever swamps if it gives them something to hurl at their readers.
They may not end up going MAGA, but let’s just say that their path to MAGA is extremely well-lit, and not a very long one.
Chris
@brantl:
One of those claims expertise based purely on genes. The other at least theoretically claims expertise based on the work put into rising at the top of a certain profession.
It’s why I said it’s not as bad, but it’s not much better. They are, indeed, both fundamentally stupid.
Leto
@Baud: this is what I get for being in class. I thought of this, wondered if someone had already posted it… ofc! *shakes fist
PAM Dirac
@KatKapCC:
Like at number of people, I didn’t know much about Nuzzi. I did find that In November 2016, Politico named Nuzzi one of the “16 Breakout Media Stars” of the presidential election. I figured that if Politico liked her, it is highly unlikely she was worth any of my time. Nothing that has been mentioned has altered that opinion.
KatKapCC
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comrade scotts agenda of rage
@geg6:
The Three Stooges at LGM are all birds of a feather. Different colored feathers but same end result.
Going to law school has been very good for Campos in that he became a tenured professor living in a very desirable geographic location. It’s hysterical that he’s never seemed to “get” the fact that his outspoken stance on law school is precisely why CU-Boulder has been trying to squeeze him out of their lives for several years now. He’s so clueless.
Dave
@Chris: There is definitely a whiff of outraged hierarchy as proscriptive as opposed to a necessary artifact of large endeavors in how they police their comment section.
Matt McIrvin
@Chris: Loomis draws energy directly from picking fights with his own commenters to a degree that I don’t think Campos does–it’s other obsessions driving him. But with Loomis I think drawing their hate (and then banning a bunch of them when they express it) is an end in itself.
Captain C
@Kay:
She withholds important scoops from employer so she can publish them in her own self-serving books years later when the scoop is no longer helpful or actionable information. I’ve never run a newspaper, but I’m pretty sure I would fire a reporter on the spot for that sort of unprofessional, nonsense if I was their editor or publisher.
Captain C
@geg6:
Loomis, tenured, upper-middle class, driving a Volvo: “Unlike authentic me, people in professional jobs living upper middle class lifestyles and driving Volvos all suck! Also, you all suck!”
Mr. Bemused Senior
Free association…
Captain C
@Captain C:
Also, for at least one or two of those rings Ruth was the ace of the staff and arguably the best left-handed pitcher in the league. For four of them, he was the best hitter in the game and as mentioned above, a player who completely revolutionized the game and IIRC at least twice outhomered every other team in the league.
Kristine
@Kayla Rudbek: Idk about a trademark, but I bought a couple of “Not Flat” patches from the Kennedy Space Center online store. They threw in a KSC challenge coin (not a weighty metal, but still nice).
Captain C
@3Sice: Like father, like son.
Chris
@Dave:
It’s who does and doesn’t get banned that really makes you notice it. The number of people I’ve seen getting banned for accusing a front-pager of saying something sexist or racist, versus the number of people who are allowed to continue vomiting literal fascist screeds and aren’t banned for years or, sometimes, ever.
And yeah, sometimes the people calling sexism/racism were completely out of line, or so it seemed to me. But it still ads up to them having effectively recreated modern polite society in microcosm: a space where it’s literally safer to be a racist than an anti-racist.
Citizen Alan
@Soprano2: donald trump became president because journalism failed. The entire journalistic profession failed systematically and at every level. There is nothing the New York Times does, in my opinion, that offsets the harm it inflicts on the nation. It is in every way that matters a fascist propagandar rag that should be burned to the ground.
Baud
@Chris:
different church lady was banned. That tells you everything you need to know.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@Baud: well that speaks volumes. Thanks for the warning.
[ETA I can’t help hearing that phrase in the voice of John Cleese; I mean it without irony]
citizen dave
@Kay: Those frickin’ Bush/Cheney signs hung on for longer than any other due I’ve seen (central Indiana experience). Like 3-4 cycles. I saw them well into Obama’s second term. They are like the Dan Fogelberg albums in every Goodwill store.
Citizen Alan
@K-Mo: ironically, in light of the subject of this post ( that references both Nuzzi and Haberman), i first realized that Nuzzi was no good when she went on a lengthy rant defending Haberman from her detractors a year or two ago.
Chris
@Matt McIrvin:
Picks fights, but is also incapable of handling what he dishes out, hence the banning. It’s literally a Trump, Musk, or Greenwald level of combining aggressiveness and fragility. Again, why I largely expect him to end up in a MAGA hat.
Matt McIrvin
@citizen dave: We’re going to be seeing the Trump signs for decades, especially if Trump loses. Nobody is as good as the American right at nurturing a resentful attachment to a lost cause.
lowtechcyclist
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
Probably, but OTOH, any notable dumping of shares would likely cause a nontrivial drop in share price. Maybe not as big a drop as if it were clearly Trump’s shares, but still if you’re selling more shares than people are willing to pay X dollars for, then the price will drop below X.
Quiltingfool
@Captain C: I read LGM – Cheryl Rofer and Shakezula are my favorite front pagers.
I like the American Graves entries by Loomis. I don’t read all of them (sports figures, mainly), but I do learn some new things, and many are interesting. History is fascinating.
Citizen Alan
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
Isn’t Jeffrey toobin back on television? Despite getting busted for masturbating during a zoom meeting with his professional colleagues? Meanwhile, dan rather got hounded out of the profession because of a ginned up scandal over kerning!
Chris
@Citizen Alan:
Every now and then, I think about how differently politics would look if Democrats were actually able to compete on an even field. The slanted field comes from a lot of different places, but the media’s thumb on the scale has always been a pretty big one.
Trump’s victory in 2016 was razor thin enough that if you take any individual thumb on the scale away, he probably doesn’t win. Take away Comey, Hillary wins. Take away Russia, Hillary wins. But one of those things is the media: take away a year of Butter Emailz, Hillary wins.
Yeah, they own him.
Mr. Bemused Senior
Interesting to speculate. Does he need the money now? I can’t imagine him deciding he needs to cash out before he loses the election and the price drops.
Not a game I’m willing to play for money.
gene108
@Matt McIrvin:
Elliot Broidy* paid $1.6 million to a mistress to hush up an affair and I think an abortion. Prior to that news breaking there weren’t even rumors of him sexually harassing women or having affairs.
There’s been speculation from several places he did this as a favor for Trump, who does have affairs, doesn’t wear condoms, and wouldn’t care if his mistress had an abortion.
*Eliot Broidy was convicted of bribery charges in NYS in 2009, I think when he was Comptroller. He, along with Michael Cohen and Louis DeJoy, were the RNC vice finance chairs in 2016. Broidy has more recently been indicted for failing to register as a foreign agent. I think he pleaded guilty. Michael Cohen went to jail for election interference.
**Steve Wynn was the Finance Chair and resigned over a bunch of sexual assault allegations.
***3/4’s of the 2016 RNC senior Finance Committee either committed crimes, were embroiled in scandal, or both.
****The media really didn’t care about this level of corruption at the RNC.
Dave
@Chris: The pattern is very telling given how much Loomis enjoys trolling his audience about their hypocrisy and liberal blind-spots; not so fun when he is on the receiving end.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Citizen Alan:
There seems to be, or at least was, a distinction between journalists who are primarily “print” people (despite being on cable way too much of the time) and outright teevee news people like Rather and the masturbator.
That’s my only explanation for it and I’ll be the first to admit, I just made it up.
Ksmiami
@Citizen Alan: I’ll happily supply the matches and gasoline
Chris
@citizen dave:
I suspect it’s nostalgia, especially the “04” part.
The early to mid 2000s were this brief sugar high for Republicans when they really felt like they’d gotten everything they wanted. They finally, finally, had control of all four branches of government. They had the good economy of the Clinton years to coast on. They felt like they had another WWII or Cold War style existential global struggle to give their lives meaning. They had all the clout of patriotic hysteria and ability to yell “shut up that’s why!” that comes with that. The religious right was at its zenith and they were passing gay marriage bans left and right. They were able to force a war that was basically a giant middle finger to the UN, multilateralism, liberals, and everything else they hate down the world’s throat. Then 2004 came along, and the voters confirmed Dubya in the presidency, vindicating everything they’d been doing. It was the final culmination of Reagan’s revolution. Sure, there’d been some worrying rumbles in the economy, and the Iraq War was starting to throw up some bad press, but, y’know, just a couple bumps in the road, nothing can ever be perfectly smooth all the time, after all…
Then by the end of 2005, that sugar high was gone, nothing had worked out the way it was supposed to, their whole perfect world had cratered so fucking hard. As angry as they’ve been in the following two decades and as many successes as they’ve had, they’ve still felt like they were on the defensive ever since.
I suspect there are a lot of wingnuts who remember Dubya’s first term kind of the same way a lot of liberals remember the Clinton years – the last days when everything was good, before the dark times.
Ruckus
@Chris:
We know what Trump is.
The only people who don’t know are those that refuse to admit that he is a far worse than useless human being that has passed the moveable age for aging out, never has been able to actually have any concept of being an actual, thoughtful, caring human being, let alone being unable to bring enough pompous arrogance to the spotlight to override all that missing humanity. And has been his entire adult life.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
This thread is no doubt dead, but I still feel compelled to state that the problem with Haberman et al is that they’ve confused being gossip columnists with being political reporters. There is a big difference, and her critics want her (and her ilk) to actually do political reporting. She doesn’t get it.
JustRuss
Re the Women of Star Trek tweet: I saw Kate Mulgrew the one time I went to the Magic Castle in Hollywood. I was wearing a mock turtleneck shirt when I got there, and they insisted that I had to wear a full turtleneck or a collared shirt and tie. Had to go back to my car to change. When I got to our table, Mulgrew was sitting a few tables away. One the men in her party was wearing….a mock turtleneck.
I’m still salty about it.
Old School
@JustRuss: You had a change of clothes in your car?
JustRuss
@different-church-lady: IDK, seems like a perfectly reasonable take to me. Being a conservative celebrity is a great gig. The money’s good, and there are no intellectual or ethical standards as long as you can regurgitate right-wing talking points and churn out some red meat once in a while. IDK if that’s what Nuzzi is angling for, but it’s hardly beyond the pale.
It’s also possible that Kennedy is intelligent and charming when he’s not being insane and she was just having some fun.
Manyakitty
@O. Felix Culpa: I saw him on Bluesky yesterday.
JustRuss
@Old School: My brother warned me they were kinda picky so I tossed them in just in case. Or maybe my brother had them in his car. IDK, it was a long time ago.
Robin Goodfellow'
@Chris: Fake news anyone? Oh when the left does it, it’s bad, when Trump says it, we need to listen to what we feel he says, not what he actually says. Got it
Ruckus
@SatanicPanic:
I’m not sure I say that shitforbrains is ever happy. His life, the way he “thinks,” the crap that he says, the way he says it, his history from childhood on….
He is a person with an ego the size of Texas and the fullness of a city water tower with a one foot hole in the bottom. Yes he was “president” – how well did that end up? Yes he has money but neither he nor anyone else has a clue how much he actually has, he lies easier than he breathes because he has about maybe 2% of the mental capacity of a box of cornflakes left. And he never had carton of boxes of cornflakes worth to begin with. He is aging out – rapidly. Everyone ages out or passes at younger than old fart. But he’s a used up old fart. Mostly out of his own doing but also from who and what he is and worse, what he thinks he is.
Ruckus
@Baud:
Industry takes all kinds and all types and a lot of humans work in industry. A lot of industry is not major corporations, it can be small businesses of from one to just a few people.
The reason I say this is that I’ve owned 2 business in my life and most of that time I didn’t have employees. The first one I didn’t need them not long after I took it over, because production machine tools had advanced far enough that they got programed and then did all the actual work. The second one was small enough that it didn’t need any employees.
And – I’ve been a strong democrat for all of my in any way political life. Which is more decades than I could vote in. And I’ve been of an age to be considered a senior for well over a decade.
apocalipstick
Re: Olivia Nuzzi
Good writers construct complete sentences.
Emily B.
Coming late to this threat and the news about Olivia Nuzzi and RFK Jr.
Ewww.
Just ewww.
Citizen Alan
@Chris: After my initial shock and horror over 9/11 passed, my very next thought was “This is our fucking Reichstag fire. This is what the Republicans will use to win in 2002 and 2004 and bring about Karl Rove’s dream of a Permanent Republican Majority.” And the only reason it didn’t happen was because the Bush people were such monumental fuck-ups that they could squander the greatest outpouring of patriotic fervor America had seen since Pearl Harbor by outsourcing everything from the prosecution of the Iraq War to FEMA operations to the most incompetent people they could find.
Citizen Alan
@Ruckus: There are no adult Americans not suffering from mental illness who do not know exactly what Donald Trump is. There are a lot of Americans who know exactly what he is but don’t care so long as he hurts the people they hate. However, for the most part, the majority of those people are also emotionally invested in the belief that they are good, patriotic, Christian people and not inhuman sadistic monsters. So they go through this process of gaslighting themselves by loudly proclaiming that Trump is this Great Man and the liberals are just to corrupt to see it.
Chris
@Citizen Alan:
Something occurred to me a few years back the day Rumsfeld died: the early 2000s is almost certainly the last time I will ever see the country that unified in my life. And I was thirteen on 9/11. Most of “my life,” knock on wood, is still ahead of me, and yet I still feel very confident making that pronouncement.
The administration, as you say, had the biggest blank check of any president since FDR. And the only thing they could spend it on was torture, no-bid contracts, and another round of tax cuts. That’s a crime in itself.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@Chris: to me the appalling aspect is that instead of taking the opportunity to unite the country and the world on the wave of good will, the response of the GWB administration was a selfish ” we can use it.”
So wrongheaded and unnecessary. Now we have the logical consequence, Trump. I hope Dick Cheney has regrets.
divF
@geg6: Loomis suffers from a common malady among academics. Because he legitimately is an expert with deep understanding in one field (labor / labor history) he thinks he is an expert in all fields. This came out most clearly in the Biden resignation debacle. He stated, without knowledge or expertise, that Biden should step down, and that it would all work out. Such a position was nonsense. The insiders in the Democratic party were the only ones who knew what would or wouldn’t work, and could make that judgement, and that we needed to trust both their good sense and their patriotism. Since they found a way to thread the needle (wildly successfully!), Loomis has been strutting around like a rooster who is absolutely convinced that, because he crowed at dawn, he actually made the sun come up.
He’s an idiot.
The Lodger
@PAM Dirac: “Excuse me, can anyone on the blog help? There’s a member of the national news media here who doesn’t know who she is.”
Bill Arnold
@Matt McIrvin:
But with Loomis I think drawing their hate (and then banning a bunch of them when they express it) is an end in itself.
Yeah, Loomis presents as gormlessly arrogant at LGM.
I simply stopped visiting after they (like Farley) told people to go away if they disagreed with them. Haven’t yet blocked their IP addresses, like I do with Facebook (and their large tracking array, to the extent reasonably possible).
When he sticks to pieces on labor history, e.g. at Wonkette, he is good, and readable.
Citizen Alan
@Chris: The thread’s probably dead but I wanted to respond to this anyway. America was only “unified” after 9/11 because a Republican was President and Dems were patriotic enough to set aside our disdain for that simple-minded bastard in a time of national crisis. Republicans would NEVER have done that if it had been a Dem President and 9/11 had happened. Al Gore would have been impeached over it. In fact, I will go to my grave convinced that if Gore had been President, 9/11 would have been disrupted if not prevented because Clinton/Gore took Al-Qaida seriously whereas the Bushies did not. And if that had happened, the Republicans would have mocked, literally mocked, the idea that Muslim terrorists would have ever pulled off a scheme to hijack jet airliners and fly them into buildings. They would have insisted that it was just Gore “wagging the dog” to distract from the House GOP’s efforts to impeach him six months after taking office because of that one time he called a Chinese-American donor and used the wrong phone.
Dark Patriot
@Citizen Alan: just like if Hilary had been President when covid happened. Sing it brother
Gloria DryGarden
@Soprano2:
seems super important. Would like to see massive national headlines about this. Instead of reading and fussing about cats and dogs and immigrants. And as someone else said, didn’t that distract the national conversation away from Arlington and the blatant disrespect shown there?
which print or online media repost , reprint or discuss interviews from npr/ fresh air? Does YouTube?
Geminid
@Citizen Alan: I think you are correct on this point. Perhaps the best book I’ve read on Bush’s stupid Iraq war is Cobra II (2004). Authors Michael Bennet and Bernard Trainor say that Bill Clinton warned George Bush that Bin Laden was a more immediate threat than Saddam Hussein. But Dick Cheney and Donsld Rumsfeld believed that they were the pros and Clinton’s team were amateurs, and those two hawks drove Bush’s military policy.
I am not sure Americans understand how destructive that war was and still is. It destabilized a whole region that still has not recovered. The war also exhausted Americans’ tolerance for foreign wars, similar to an overdrawn bank account. Putin took advantage by invading Georgia in 2008, and then Crimea and eastern Ukraine in 2014. He knew the American public would not back another foreign intervention.
There were opportunity costs as well. The biggest was the best opportunity in years to resolve the Israeli/Palestinian probem. In March of 2002 the Arab League overturned its policy against negotiation with and recognition of Israel that it had adopted 25 years before, after the 1967 war. Israel’s Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, had left Likud and formed a new party intending to effect “Separation,” his euphemism for a Two-State resolution. Sharon the super-Hawk knew it had to happen.
We’ll never know what might have been accomplished had Bush not squandered American resources pursuing war instead of peace. His henchmen ignored the opportunity presented by Sharon and the Arab League. It seemed simpler to remake the region by invading Iraq first. Rather than trying to untangle the Gordian knot, they decided to cut it with a sword.